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The timing of the entry into the troops of the control machine of the air defense complex "Gibka-S"

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The timing of the entry into the troops of the control machine of the air defense complex "Gibka-S"

Intelligence and control vehicles of the latest Russian air defense system "Gibka-S" will begin to enter the army in 2021. This was reported by the press service of the holding Roselektronika (part of Rostec).


As previously reported, the tests of this complex were completed in December last year, according to their results, the developers received a number of recommendations from the Ministry of Defense aimed at improving the effectiveness of the complex. Currently, work is underway to introduce changes to the complex, while preparations are underway for mass production.

We hope that next year we will deliver a batch of machines to the customer

- said the general director of the concern "Vega" Vyacheslav Mikheev.

The reconnaissance and control vehicle of the Gibka-S complex provides control and coordination of the operations of anti-aircraft gunner units and combat vehicles of MANPADS units. It is equipped with a built-in radar reconnaissance system for detecting air targets and a computer complex capable of working both autonomously and in the tactical level air defense military command and control system.

The complex itself is located on the chassis of the Tiger armored car (VPK-233116) and allows you to fire at various types of air targets, including when the car is moving at speeds up to 30 km / h. "Bending-S" provides for the destruction of air targets using missiles of the Verba and Igla / Igla-S portable anti-aircraft missile systems. The launch of missiles is carried out remotely. Additionally, the installation can use ATGM "Attack".

The crew of the fighting vehicle compartment - 4 people: the commander of the MANPADS, two anti-aircraft gunners and the driver of an armored car.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS April 21 2020 14: 53 New
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    How does target detection occur in this system? If this is only visual detection and tracking, then it makes no sense to set up a car
    1. kjhg
      kjhg April 21 2020 15: 05 New
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      It is equipped with integrated radar reconnaissance to detect air targets
      From the article it follows that on such a reconnaissance and control machine there is a radar. On the rest of the machines it is not.
    2. loki565
      loki565 April 21 2020 15: 53 New
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      It looks like the American Avenger, they recently ordered a new batch.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 21 2020 16: 08 New
        +7
        In fact, we are talking about a completely different car
        Which looks like this:
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 21 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      How does target detection occur in this system?

      on the control machine — radar and communication equipment with higher command posts and target designation for combat vehicles and anti-aircraft gunners, on combat vehicles — an optical-electronic detection system.
      That is, in its entirety, the air defense system is capable of detecting targets both visually and with the help of a radar, combat vehicles autonomously - only visual target detection.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 07: 24 New
        +8
        "Gibka-S" ensures the destruction of air targets using missiles of the portable anti-aircraft missile systems "Verba" and "Igla" / "Igla-S". SAM is launched remotely. Additionally, the installation can use ATGM "Attack".

        But this is already an application for "versatility" and versatility of application. good
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 22 2020 10: 08 New
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          Quote: Insurgent
          "Gibka-S" ensures the destruction of air targets using missiles of the portable anti-aircraft missile systems "Verba" and "Igla" / "Igla-S". SAM is launched remotely. Additionally, the installation can use ATGM "Attack"

          Bending can use, depending on the modification:
          MANPADS Igla - in modifications Bending and Bending-R
          MANPADS Igla-S - in the modification of Bending-M5,
          ATGM Attack - in the modification of Gibka-M6, (ATGM Attack has radio command guidance. Something of this equipment on board combat vehicles is not observed) I suspect that this is a variant of a turret for ships.

          MANPADS Verba or Igla-S - in the complex of guided weapons BMO SAM SAM Bend-S
  2. Amateur
    Amateur April 21 2020 14: 58 New
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    man-portable anti-aircraft missile systems "Verba"

    So max range is 6 km.
    If you shoot at the helicopter "from the shoulder" and from cover - the helicopter may not notice the shooter.
    And this "shaitan arbu"? Specialists! Please comment if she has any chance, especially if she begins to "shine" with her locator?
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 21 2020 15: 18 New
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      Unlike the shooter from the shoulder, this device can quickly move, carry a spare ammunition, not only hear, but also see the adversary (thanks to the locator) for 10 kilometers or more. Of course, there is no chance to hide in the steppe near an armored car, but on rough terrain, it's easy. The shooter from the shoulder is effective only near the stock of ammunition and the warning system, and the stock implies either a stationary base such as a dugout, or the same car.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 21 2020 15: 31 New
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        see the adversary (thanks to the locator) for 10 kilometers or more.

        You are repeating a standard error. If the locator sees the enemy for 10 km, then the enemy (with the appropriate equipment) sees the locator for at least 20 km.
        Example: You are standing in the dark on the edge of a football field with a flashlight and trying to see if there is anyone on the other edge. Who will be the first to see whom? You are the adversary or your adversary is your flashlight. I am sure that the answer is completely clear.
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov April 21 2020 15: 48 New
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          “You are repeating a standard error” - this is not a standard error, this is experience. Locators are different and it’s far from the fact that a plane / helicopter is more powerful, rather even less powerful (if it’s not a plane / helicopter AWACS). Plus, antennas are often made with a telescopic rod, which dramatically increases their "farsightedness." Of course, the equipment for detecting radiation by the enemy is placed on the aircraft, and the aircraft will probably avoid meeting with the air defense systems, but for any of its tasks will be disrupted, and this is the main thing. The task of air defense systems (I emphasize air defense, not ZRV) is not to destroy the enemy, but to prevent his flights where we do not need it, although destruction is also very good.
          If we talk about the football field at night, then imagine that I do not have a flashlight, but a spotlight with a very narrow beam and, at the same time, a thermal imager to aim the spotlight.
          1. Amateur
            Amateur April 21 2020 15: 54 New
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            Imagine that I don’t have a flashlight,

            And I do not have a football field, but Borodino. Let's not do demagogy. It is unlikely that a locator in a passenger car will be better than a locator in a combat helicopter, at least because of electric power.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov April 21 2020 16: 11 New
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              “And I do not have a football field, but Borodino” - note, I did not suggest this. wink
              In the second thesis, I quote myself - “it’s far from the fact that the plane / helicopter is more powerful, rather even less powerful (if it’s not a plane / helicopter AWACS)”. Primitively, what is the weight of the locator on front-line aircraft (not AWACS) and what is the payload of an army vehicle? The car has everything more, which means that the equipment can be shoved more powerful. And against. AWACS aircraft can use the RTV system on several landing gears, and here the victory will be for air defense. Sorry to explain the basics.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 21 2020 16: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: Amateur
              And I do not have a football field, but Borodino.

              And there are hundreds of spotlights on it. lanterns and lanterns. Light up. how to.

              In general, the main thing on this car is not "Harmony", but a radio station. Which works to transfer target designation to sets of automation equipment for anti-aircraft gunners
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 21 2020 17: 45 New
            -4
            Quote: Sergey Valov
            Locators are different and it’s far from the fact that a plane / helicopter is more powerful,

            In relation to short-range and ultra-short-range air defense systems, an aircraft radar is more powerful.
            Firstly, is it unnecessary to shine far away from such a SAM - is it good if missiles from MANPADS still fly 10 kilometers maximum? Double reserve range for radar, no longer needed.
            Secondly, the machine is small, the weight of the equipment, and most importantly - the dimensions of the antenna are limited. Look at least at the PKK Tunguska or Torah - will this farm fit into the Tiger? Definitely not. Plus calculation, plus spare missiles. Seats in the car are not as many as you think.

            It is enough to look at the available ultra-short-range air defense systems to make sure that they have radars with very limited capabilities.
            Tunguska - detection range up to 15 km, Tor - 15-20 km. Despite the fact that the missile systems of these complexes will be more serious than MANPADS missiles.
      2. Grits
        Grits April 21 2020 17: 00 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        The shooter from the shoulder is effective only near the stock of ammunition and the warning system, and the stock implies either a stationary base such as a dugout, or the same car.

        For example, in a deep defense, I would choose MANPADS from the shoulder. Since even in the event of a miss, the fighter has a trench in which, if desired, you can dig deeper in order to "survive the raid." The machine is less likely to survive
      3. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 21 2020 17: 19 New
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        Quote: Sergey Valov
        but also to see the adversary (thanks to the locator) kilometers for 10 or more

        I remember when we discussed "Pine" and "Derivation", right there on the airborne, everyone foaming at the mouth proved the uselessness and even harmfulness of the radar on the air defense system. Because, they say, "shining" with a radar, the machine becomes easily detected and destroyed, including by anti-radar missiles, from a distance at which it is not able to adequately respond with its ultra-short-range missiles. A machine with passive means of detection (thermal imaging station), they say, is completely hidden (until the launch of the missiles) and therefore more tenacious and more preferable.
        Will you comment?
    2. YOUR
      YOUR April 21 2020 15: 19 New
      +3
      On each machine, an optoelectronic detection system, plus a reconnaissance and target designation machine. Well, she will not stand like a poplar on Plyushchikha. Currently, there are so many different radars in the troops that you won’t understand what is shining there. Especially since missiles with passive homing.
      An enemy plane will try to slip over enemy territory quickly, everyone will shoot at it, starting with a submachine gunner fired from fear and ending with large air defense systems. And another basic method of firing this modernized MANPADS, shooting after.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 21 2020 17: 48 New
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        Quote: YOUR
        And another basic method of firing this modernized MANPADS, shooting after.

        cool) In pursuit - this is shooting at an already flying airplane. Which flew over and dropped a container with bombs or napalm tanks ...
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 22 2020 03: 36 New
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          Do not fit the situation.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 22 2020 06: 27 New
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            Quote: YOUR
            Do not fit the situation

            I do not customize. And you - do not catch up.
            The main objective of air defense systems is to prevent the air enemy from performing a flight mission (launching an air strike, landing, reconnaissance, etc.), and in the ideal case, to cause damage or destroy the enemy’s aircraft.
            Now turn on the head and think how effective is such an air defense that shoots after it - i.e. according to the aircraft’s past position, from the point of view of fulfilling its main task
            1. YOUR
              YOUR April 22 2020 07: 35 New
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              As you wrote there and now turn on your head The same advice
              Now turn on your head and at least read how TGSN works. At the same time, the performance characteristics of various MANPADS.
              To fit the situation means to consider isolated cases that arise in a row. And so, just in case, all these MANPADS, no matter how advanced they are, are just an addition to the main air defense, so to speak, its lowest level.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 22 2020 09: 57 New
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                Quote: YOUR
                how does tgsn work

                I know how IR GOS works. Modern MANPADS are capable of firing targets from any angle, including in oncoming courses

                Quote: YOUR
                all these MANPADS no matter how advanced they are, just an addition to the main air defense

                not always and not at all. For example, except for MANPADS and MZA, the Airborne Forces have nothing.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR April 22 2020 13: 26 New
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                  So look at what targets flying at what speeds they can fire towards and which ones to catch. Apparently surprised that the performance characteristics of MANPADS can fire towards targets whose speed is much lower than that of targets that fire after them.
                  Request. Decide and state what exactly you are trying to prove to me.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 22 2020 13: 47 New
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                    Quote: YOUR
                    Apparently surprised that the performance characteristics of MANPADS can fire towards targets whose speed is much lower than that of targets that fire after them.

                    You’ll probably be surprised, but max. the speed of the target in oncoming courses can be greater than on catch-up. This can be understood even without looking at the performance characteristics - since the missile is catching up with the retreating aircraft. Example for you, MANPADS Verba:
                    Maximum speed of hit targets on the opposite courses, m / s: 400
                    Maximum speed of hit targets at catch-up courses, m / s: 320


                    Quote: YOUR
                    Decide and state what exactly you are trying to prove to me.

                    everything has been formulated.
                    1. for a missile, the target in catch-up courses is simpler (the seeker sees the heated nozzles of the aircraft), but this does not ensure the performance of air defense tasks. The goal has already passed over the position. You. probably understand what this means?
                    2. on oncoming traffic it’s more difficult to catch the target (in the teaching staff the thermal signature of the target is much lower), but you can eat it if you don’t shoot it, then at least frustrate the attack of the aircraft.

                    giving out firing at catch-up courses for know-how, you are in fact wrong. The very first MANPADS were able to shoot only in this way, due to imperfect GOS
                    1. YOUR
                      YOUR April 24 2020 14: 12 New
                      0
                      Yes, focused on the Arrow. Others somehow did not have to learn. Glory Stool !!!!!!!! Hooray comrades.
                      But what you wrote earlier defies any criticism.
                      Which flew over and dropped a container with bombs or napalm tanks ...

                      So much so that the plane flew right over the air defense system an option of one percent out of a thousand. Passes with a parameter of kilometer two three ... and even all the air defense systems including this alone do not work, the affected areas should at least overlap. One covers the other.
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 24 2020 15: 20 New
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                        Quote: YOUR
                        Yes, focused on the Arrow

                        and the Needle has the same tendency - the speed of the hit targets in the oncoming courses is higher than on the catch-up ones. This is true of any modern air defense system, any missile. In Strela, apparently, the opposite situation is associated with the imperfection of the first GOS. She has the predominant type of start-up - after

                        Quote: YOUR
                        But what you wrote earlier defies any criticism.
                        Which flew over and dropped a container with bombs or napalm tanks ...

                        So much so that the plane flew right over the air defense system an option of one percent out of a thousand. Passes with a parameter of kilometer two three ... and even all the air defense systems including this alone do not work, the affected areas should at least overlap. One covers the other.

                        do not take literally. Flying over an object being covered by MANPADS (is it not just that anti-aircraft gunners are sitting? So, the object matters). And he could do his dirty work.
                        A start-up is already an attempt to destroy an airplane that has dropped (for example) cargo, or to hunt for an aircraft from an ambush. That, you see, does not quite correspond to the air defense objectives - to prevent an enemy aircraft from completing a task (even if not knocking it down). When launching towards, there are few suicide supermen who will continue to carry out the task, and will not perform anti-aircraft maneuvering.
                      2. YOUR
                        YOUR April 25 2020 03: 19 New
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                        In 99 cases out of 100, the pilot will notice the start of MANPADS only when the missile hits the plane. These missiles reveal themselves only as a flash of launch, later a torch and a trace from a rocket. What can cover this complex, the troops have no other options. The armament will go to the NE. And then in doubt. How many such developments have already gone beyond a few samples.
  3. loki565
    loki565 April 21 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    In today's realities, this is for BALA, not helicopters.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 21 2020 17: 50 New
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      Quote: loki565
      In today's realities, this is for BALA, not helicopters

      and for helicopters what?
      Listen to experts, so Derivation is for fighting UAVs, Bending is the same. In addition to UAVs, you don’t fly and carry a threat?
      1. loki565
        loki565 April 21 2020 17: 58 New
        -1
        Why risk pilots if the UAV can perform the same task? And so of course it can bring down F35 if it flies over it at a low altitude)))
  4. abc_alex
    abc_alex April 21 2020 22: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Amateur
    Please comment if she has any chance, especially if she begins to "shine" with her locator?


    Sure. The targeting machine shines with a locator. And it is located directly behind the "performers". Strongly behind. By car "Harmony". Detection range up to 40 km. In height up to 10 km. Target speed up to 700 ms.

    Actually, the performers are either 6 anti-aircraft guns fighting vehicles (this is what is shown in the first photo), or 4 squads of walking MANPADS operators. In both cases, it is 12 PU. Walking anti-aircraft gunners is very difficult to detect. But the anti-aircraft gunners’ BMO doesn’t shine, it has a passive OLS. The range of MANPADS Igla and Verba 5-6 km. The time to bring to a fighting position is slightly more than a minute. That is, in an ideal case, a car with a radar can be located 15-20 km behind the PU line. Of course, it will not stand so far, the transmission system of the central control unit operates at a distance of up to 8 km in the conditions of operation of suppression systems.
    It turns out that it will work like this: a radar 8 km behind the PU line shines forward at a distance of 30+ km. When approaching the target at a distance of 15-16 km, the calculations lead the MANPADS to readiness and at the turn of 14 km from the radar (6 km from themselves) they attack.
    Is it possible to detect a radar? It is possible, of course, although difficult, the station is low-power and has a total consumption of 800 watts. True, I do not know which option they put on the Bending Machine. In any case, they don’t just put anti-radar missiles on airplanes and helicopters, radiation is not detected from any angle, and a car with a radar against the background of the earth, buildings and all sorts of other reflective surfaces does not stand out.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin April 23 2020 02: 19 New
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      You forgot to add that when several units are working, the radars can shine in turn. During breaks, changing positions. And the anti-aircraft gunner's car is 2 shooters. One of which can be landed with a pair of missiles a few kilometers from the main position. It turned out to be a very flexible system. They would have a couple more "emitters" to simulate the work of the locator. To cover the real with false zeols.
  • Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov April 21 2020 15: 02 New
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    If it is a control machine, then why is there a control system on it, if it is a machine with air defense systems, then why is it called a control machine? I wonder at what stage of reporting illiteracy got out?
    1. spectr
      spectr April 21 2020 15: 20 New
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      This is not illiteracy. Just an attempt to satisfy the military Wishlist. That is, they want to get such a complex that they attached rockets to it and it became firing, attached an antenna and it became a locator, attached other locators and it became a control center.
      The only question is to what extent and with what quality it performs these functions.
      1. Sergey Valov
        Sergey Valov April 21 2020 15: 31 New
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        You write everything correctly, the question is different. If a locator is placed on a machine with missiles, then why is a machine with missiles only needed? The locator takes up not so little space as it might seem, plus a person to work with it. Where do the extra internal volumes come from? Due to the ammunition? Here a whole train of questions will go further. Or maybe everything is much simpler - did the amateur make an article?
        1. spectr
          spectr April 21 2020 16: 44 New
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          If a locator is placed on a machine with missiles, then why is a machine with missiles only needed?

          The difference in price and service. A locator can be half the price of a product.
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex April 21 2020 22: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: spectr
        Just an attempt to satisfy the military Wishlist. That is, they want to get such a complex that they attached rockets to it and it became firing, attached an antenna and it became a locator

        ??
        Are you sure? In my opinion, you are wrong.



        These are completely different machines. They have different equipment and it is possible to remake one into another only at the enterprise. They don't "catch" anything anywhere.
        Here is the text from the KBM website:
        The fighting vehicle of the squad is an armored mobile vehicle of the squad of anti-aircraft gunners of MANPADS with standard weapons, ammunition and BMO equipment. Designed for the defense of combined arms units from air attack weapons flying at low and very low altitudes, with all types of combat, day, night and on the march.

        An important advantage of a combat vehicle is that it can use both the latest Verba MANPADS and Igla-S MANPADS, which are in service with the armies of many countries, including the Russian Army. In the ammunition - 8 missiles. Four of them are located on the launcher. The operation of the BMO is as automated as possible. The mode of combat use is autonomous or controlled by command posts from the Barnaul-T base set.

        The reconnaissance and control vehicle of the platoon commander is intended for the automated control of the actions of the anti-aircraft gunners of MANPADS. The MRUK includes the small-sized Garmon radar. MRUK allows you to quickly interact with higher command posts and control six subordinate combat vehicles or four departments of anti-aircraft gunners equipped with 9C935 automation kits. The guaranteed range of communication of the MRUK with BMO is 17 km during parking and 8 km during movement.

        BMO and MRUK are created on the basis of the Tiger car. MRUK crew - commander, telephone operator, driver. The crew of the BMO is the driver, the commander of the MANPADS department, two anti-aircraft gunners.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 21 2020 18: 00 New
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      Quote: Sergey Valov
      If this is a control machine, then why is it a PU

      there is no control on the control machine. It has radar Garmon and radio stations

      and this is a PU combat vehicle and an optoelectronic detection system


      illiteracy intervenes at the stage of writing articles by people who are banal off topic. and not bothering to look for at least some information - i.e. lazy amateurs.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 21 2020 15: 05 New
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    robots will fight soon ...
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 21 2020 15: 20 New
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      “Robots will soon be at war ...” - and when they fight with each other and they get tired of it, they will agree among themselves and destroy people. laughing