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“If the Russian Defense Ministry believed in the plans for“ Armata ”, it would not be possible to order a batch of T-90M” - Polish reasoning

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The European press publishes assessments of the statement made by the head of the Russian Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov about the tests of the latest tank T-14 Armata in the SAR. A particularly lively reaction to such a statement by a Russian official was shown in the Polish media.


Browser Mateusz Zielonka told readers that about two dozen armored vehicles on the Armata platform have been produced in Russia today. These are the T-14 and BMP T-15 tanks. At the same time, the author recalled that by the end of 2021, the Russian Armed Forces intend to supply 132 units of such equipment.

Material with information about the tests in Syria of the T-14 Armata tank caused a wave of discussion among Polish experts and ordinary readers.

Among the comments you can find both sober assessments and frank attempts to laugh at the fact that so far the T-14 has not been put into service with tank units of the Russian Armed Forces.

One of these comments in the Polish edition of Defense24:

It was supposed to commission 2300 of these armored vehicles. But now everyone knows about failure. The only thing that can be said: the first of them (tanks) will not fall to the ground, as was the case with Su (57).

A few other comments:

And I do not think that the Russian Ministry of Defense itself believes in the feasibility of plans for the supply of T-14 in the amount of 300-400 units by 2027, otherwise they would not have ordered a large batch of T-90M.

They appreciated our capabilities and realized that 300 pieces would be enough.


Another user recalls a video recently released on one of the Western resources and states that the T-14 is a tank with a weak stabilization system.

We are talking about a video where the cutting of shots from the Abrams tank, as well as Russian T-14, Chinese and Korean tanks, was demonstrated. An unknown author tried to show that the American tank "surpasses" other tanks in stabilization.
Another comment:

Actually, why did they send the T-14 to Syria. In Russia itself there are many arid regions. Or they want both with the S-400, which simply stand and do not shoot at anyone.

Apparently, the Polish author of this comment believes that if an air defense system is deployed on the ground, then it must be fired day by day.
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  1. Dormidont Evlampievich
    Dormidont Evlampievich April 21 2020 13: 06 New
    47
    Polish discussions on Russian weapons are as substantive as discussions on nuclear fusion problems in a gypsy camp
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 21 2020 18: 30 New
      +4
      Well, why)))) you can very fruitfully discuss the effect of moonlight on the growth of telegraph poles.
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 21 2020 13: 08 New
    10
    A mixture of fear, envy and stupidity - explosives demolishing any cuckooder.
    They appreciated our capabilities and realized that 300 pieces would be enough.
    But there is a sane understanding of the situation.
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose April 21 2020 15: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      But there is a sane understanding of the situation.

      If the Polish "experts" assessed the situation not from the point of view of experts in the Russian tank building, but as it should be, from the point of view of the merchants, then as a result of elementary logical conclusions they would come to the universal revelation that at the moment Russia is exporting the T-90 and is going to continue to do so in the near future. And the buyer went picky now. Give him all the freshest, certainly in service with the manufacturer. If now Russia massively re-equips the T-14, then the demand for the T-90 in the world is guaranteed to fall. Do we need it? Best the enemy of the good. And yet not all the money has been shaken off potential buyers.
      I think so.
      1. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 April 22 2020 21: 32 New
        0
        To begin with, we have not yet seen the final appearance of the T-14. If the tests are still underway and changes are made at the request of the military. In addition, the tower casing of 2 mm (exaggerated) metal never seemed a complete solution.
  3. APASUS
    APASUS April 21 2020 13: 09 New
    22
    The attention paid to Polish military experts is surprising. I would understand the criticism of the Germans or the same Americans, otherwise the experts of a country that doesn’t produce a damn thing in the tank unit are trying to score points on criticism?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 21 2020 13: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      which doesn’t produce horseradish in the tank unit,

      They once made the T-72, it was true in the export version, and then sawed them into the PT-91.
      It has recently been quite twenty years since then. lol
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 21 2020 14: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: Gray Brother
        They once made the T-72, it was true in the export version, and then sawed them into the PT-91.

        This is still the Russian T-72, no matter how they call it.
        PL-01 Poles made together with "partners" Which was supposed to be produced from the age of 18, well, how much of this stuff was put into service?

        Czołg lekki - demonstrator technologii Wozu Wsparcia Bezpośredniego PL-01 Concept na targach MSPO 2013. Zaprojektowany przez OBRUM.
    2. Amateur
      Amateur April 21 2020 14: 40 New
      +5
      doesn’t produce horseradish in the tank

      Why only in the tank. They once produced a self-deteriorating minibus under the affectionate name "Nyusya" and a motor from "Victory". Not a single one could withstand more than a year of operation, and only if the carrier was closely watching.
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 21 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      But they set up an alteration of the T - 72, in their "Tvards". True, after the alteration, for some reason he began to get stuck at the landfills. Again, old-fashioned junk from long-term storage is "vparivayut" at an accelerated pace.
      1. Sniper Amateur
        Sniper Amateur April 21 2020 23: 44 New
        +1
        they set up a conversion of the T - 72 into their "Tvards". True, after the alteration, for some reason he began to get stuck at the landfills.

        And also - he won the Malay tender at T-90. tongue
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer April 22 2020 18: 25 New
          0
          Yeah, the Banderlog also won the Thai tender, although then the Thais spat for a long time. And it is possible that they still spit. There were bad conversations that the "new" "Oplots" were making from the old buildings T - 64. So let's see that the Nanai will sing another year or so.
          1. Sniper Amateur
            Sniper Amateur April 24 2020 18: 43 New
            -2
            How many times have the "Virtfront fighters" been taught: for a successful injection, at least minimal literacy is required. laughing
            The delivery of the PT.91 to the Malays was completed 11 years ago. And no one there still "spits". But you wait, wait ...
            Well, "Oplot" cannot be performed in the T-64 hull. Here in the T-80 building - you can.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer April 25 2020 14: 56 New
              0
              You work in a factory named after Malysheva or draw information from Wikipedia?
              1. Sniper Amateur
                Sniper Amateur April 27 2020 20: 08 New
                -3
                Neither one nor the other. tongue
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer April 27 2020 20: 55 New
                  0
                  Then I will tell you a terrible military secret - the plant to them. Malysheva is engaged only in T-64. Repair and modernization of T-72 and T-80 are Lviv and Zhytomyr.
                  1. Sniper Amateur
                    Sniper Amateur April 27 2020 21: 14 New
                    -2
                    Did I write about repair and modernization somewhere?
                    Well, you’re also a secret: Malyshev does capitalize T-80UD. And the upgrade of the T-80BV to -80BVD is also done in Kharkov - but at HBTZ.
  4. businessv
    businessv April 21 2020 13: 11 New
    +3
    Apparently, the Polish author of this comment believes that if an air defense system is deployed on the ground, then it must be fired day by day.
    I think that the Polish authors of articles and comments have very well-placed anti-Russian propaganda, which means that their owners very well debugged this mechanism, unlike us!
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  6. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 21 2020 13: 12 New
    21
    The T-90m is a modification of a real battle tank brought to mind, and the T-14 is the future of the army, its perspective. And no one accepts technology only on the basis of faith and personal opinion.
  7. Ru_Na
    Ru_Na April 21 2020 13: 17 New
    +6
    Polish plug in every barrel! Read their thoughts on the latest models of military equipment of the leading countries of the world causes only a smile, because Poland can not boast of anything like it!
  8. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 21 2020 13: 20 New
    +6
    Poles have always been distinguished by their "intelligence and ingenuity." They themselves come up with what Russia wanted and they themselves argue with this.
  9. knn54
    knn54 April 21 2020 13: 21 New
    +4
    The capabilities of the T-90 are not exhausted. And no one is going to wait for the T-14 (which is three times more expensive than even the modernized T-90), and will NOW strengthen the aircraft.
    There are no more than 600 of them in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. But only in France, Germany, and Italy, the modernized and new Leopards, Leclerc, and others total more than 1000.
    So "every vegetable has its own time."
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    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 21 2020 13: 44 New
      +6
      It’s good that they don’t offer to comment on the comments of Gabon commentators, but I’m afraid that at this pace you can get to this.
  11. iouris
    iouris April 21 2020 13: 27 New
    +7
    On TV USSR there was such a program "Zucchini" 13 chairs ", in which the actors of the Moscow theater of satire, stylized as Poles, ridiculed our reality. When you get acquainted with publications such as this, you get a strong feeling of déjà vu.
    Note Deja vu is a mental state in which a person feels that he was once in a similar situation, but this feeling is not associated with a specific moment in the past, but relates to the past in general.
  12. PSih2097
    PSih2097 April 21 2020 13: 32 New
    +3
    Apparently, the Polish author of this comment believes that if an air defense system is deployed on the ground, then it must be fired every day.

    I can imagine what a howl would be if the air defense missile systems / air defense missile systems were ordered to drop from the sky everything that does not answer the request of "friend or foe" in Syria ...
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 21 2020 13: 32 New
    +5
    Here's the problem, they did not consult with the Poles. Yes, stomp yourself to the striped, they were waiting for you there, no one to lick your ass.
  14. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter April 21 2020 13: 48 New
    +2
    They appreciated our capabilities and realized that 300 pieces would be enough.

    It starts to seem like schizophrenia. Poles all think that they need someone, that they will be attacked. Less
    we must listen to the propaganda nonsense of the Polish authorities.
    1. foreign spy
      foreign spy April 21 2020 16: 31 New
      +2
      literally below komenty: "In order to put the Poles cancer, and the T-72 will be enough, so let them not flatter themselves))"
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter April 21 2020 16: 46 New
        +2
        So this is in fact a real balance of power today, but that does not mean that someone wants to attack Poland. It simply means that we are not arming ourselves to capture Poland, that’s for sure, Poland will have enough resources.
        1. foreign spy
          foreign spy April 21 2020 16: 49 New
          0
          the expressions "we are not arming ourselves to capture Poland" and "for Poland and the available resources will be enough" have very different meanings.
          1. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter April 21 2020 17: 00 New
            +1
            We are arming ourselves to defend our country. We would set ourselves the goal of capturing Poland, we probably would have other priorities in military development, not the Strategic Missile Forces, the submarine fleet, the same Long-Range Aviation to deter the United States, but would invest mainly in ground attack armies to create a reserve in case of a trip to Poland in order to respond to the reaction of the defenders of Poland. Have I made myself clear?
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG April 21 2020 18: 41 New
            0
            Quote: foreign spy
            the expressions "we are not arming ourselves to capture Poland" and "for Poland and the available resources will be enough" have very different meanings.

            Yes, you are a genius of analytics) Well, have you spied a lot here?)
            1. foreign spy
              foreign spy April 22 2020 09: 49 New
              +1
              a lot, on another package of sanctions compromising evidence scored, the State Department will be delighted
  15. boris epstein
    boris epstein April 21 2020 13: 49 New
    +2
    300 vehicles is an installation lot for extensive military tests in several combat units. There is still time for this. You never know what kind of crawl will come out. One thing is factory crews, and another thing is drill.
  16. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose April 21 2020 13: 54 New
    +3
    “If the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation believed in plans for Armata, it would not be possible to order a batch of T-90M”

    If the grandmother had some gender characteristics, then her retirement age would have increased slightly.
  17. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 21 2020 14: 05 New
    +2
    Judging by the fact that the Psheks order the modernization of the Soviet T72, they themselves do not really believe in vaunted abrams.
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. April 21 2020 14: 34 New
      0
      So their potential adversary (whom they call the Russian Federation) has the same T-72 with the letter M. So they do the same as ours, they modernize. Moreover, they produced them, the plant was. They made dynamic protection themselves. So, it makes no sense for them to buy "Abrams". They have been rolling a mock-up of their stealth tank for several years. Maybe they think the same as the Russian Federation, until they serve 72, and when we have an "armata" then they can make their own stealth tank))) ... Or they will quickly buy a "leopard 2A7"
      1. Sniper Amateur
        Sniper Amateur April 21 2020 23: 54 New
        0
        Leo II Brigade - they have it. Felts A5, felts even A6.
  18. Amateur
    Amateur April 21 2020 14: 32 New
    +1
    Browser Mateusz Zielonka

    Is it the case of Dave Majumdar! Or Turchins.
    And then about this greenback, the author of the article was even shy to subscribe. negative
  19. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 21 2020 14: 35 New
    +2
    Do they really think that when t 14 goes into the series, he immediately replaces t 90 and 70? Well, dumb ...
  20. Incompetent
    Incompetent April 21 2020 14: 44 New
    -4
    Psheki laugh because there is something! And then there is no need for a reason, if our industry did not constantly shift the deadlines to the right. And why do Poles have to be objective if we are covering all their news with hats?
    1. bars1
      bars1 April 21 2020 15: 02 New
      0
      Psheks laugh ... I remember that de Beaumarchais wrote at one time: "I hasten to laugh at everything, otherwise I would have to cry ..."
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG April 21 2020 18: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Incompetent
      Psheki laugh because there is something! And then there is no need for a reason, if our industry did not constantly shift the deadlines to the right. And why do Poles have to be objective if we are covering all their news with hats?

      If you carefully familiarize yourself with the arms development process, you will see that there was a shift to the right in the USSR and now there is a place to be not only in Russia. It’s more expensive to just laugh at the states, and the psheks themselves don’t produce anything serious at all, there’s nothing to laugh about at all. It remains only Russia ..
  21. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 21 2020 14: 58 New
    +1
    Psheks in their repertoire, licked the Yankees, poured a bowl of slops on our equipment. However, nothing new.

    In order to put the Poles in cancer, and the T-72 is enough, so do not flatter yourself))
    1. foreign spy
      foreign spy April 21 2020 16: 35 New
      -1
      will you go in the forefront?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 21 2020 16: 36 New
        -1
        Who admits this to a "foreign spy", huh))
        If only the name changed)))
        1. foreign spy
          foreign spy April 21 2020 16: 52 New
          0
          Yes, no one doubts that you Sith in the rear will sit back weaving their intrigues in comments
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith April 21 2020 17: 19 New
            0
            And you, Mr. John Lancaster Beck will be at the forefront, or on the Internet to stink, how is it wonderful for you?)
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG April 21 2020 19: 02 New
            0
            Quote: foreign spy
            Yes, no one doubts that you Sith in the rear will sit back weaving their intrigues in comments

            You, too, will not appear at the front line.
            1. foreign spy
              foreign spy April 22 2020 09: 47 New
              0
              well, I don’t rip the vest on myself shouting "right now, we will beat the whole world" like half of the commentators
  22. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 21 2020 16: 30 New
    -4
    Polish and Chinese experts are our everything.

    Our all disappeared somewhere?
  23. veritas
    veritas April 21 2020 16: 45 New
    +5
    Material with information about the tests in Syria of the T-14 Armata tank caused a wave of discussion among Polish experts and ordinary readers.

    Polish experts, they are like that, they can understand apples, but tanks are beyond their understanding.
  24. Varaga
    Varaga April 21 2020 17: 02 New
    0
    Ours will delay the adoption of the T-14 to the last. After all, the T-90 is bought well. So we have to sell the entire backlog of "ninety". And then you can already put the "Armata" into service (read - advertise).
  25. Varaga
    Varaga April 21 2020 17: 12 New
    -1
    But now everyone knows about failure.

    Who are these "all"? What do they "know"? What "failure" are we talking about? How can some stray lisping dog know that "everyone knows everything" about some kind of "failure" ?! Yes, this hunched lizard does not know if he will survive tomorrow! And even more so, he does not know whether he will live to the end of the week ... But on the other hand, we know everything about ARMAT. Especially that it is a failure. Nonsense of the Polish Poles! Go bark ...
    1. Sniper Amateur
      Sniper Amateur April 21 2020 23: 53 New
      0
      Yes, this stoop lizard does not know whether tomorrow will survive! And even more so, she doesn’t know whether she will live to see the end of the week ...

      I’ll open the America through the window to you: Nobody knows this. And you too. And I. And even Putin, Trump and Xi themselves do not know this for 100%.
  26. pytar
    pytar April 21 2020 17: 26 New
    +2
    Browser Mateusz Zielonka told readers that about two dozen armored vehicles on the Armata platform have been produced in Russia today ...

    Mateusz Zilonka, periodically publishes articles about "Armata" and many other things from different countries of the world in the Polish edition of Defense24. They are designed in a compact informative style. The publication itself is similar to the "Military Review" in structure and content. Such is the information portal, with a focus on military, political and economic topics.

    Material with information about the tests in Syria of the T-14 Armata tank caused a wave of discussion among Polish experts and ordinary readers.

    I don’t know how many of the experts who commented there, but there are not so many comments - only 183! Usually more interesting for readers of the article, on the Defense24 portal collect above 300 comments.
    Among the comments, one can find both sober assessments and frank attempts to laugh at the fact that so far the T-14 has not been put into service with tank units of the Russian Armed Forces.

    Of course there are all sorts of comments. You read to see prices on VO, where there is a article about Poland! It is not so difficult to choose a couple of negative ones and on their buzz to sling an article that inspires a negative attitude towards a given nation, right? I suppose this happens in other countries as well, when they choose "suitable" posts from Russian forums, so that they can then be shown there!
  27. Klingon
    Klingon April 21 2020 17: 46 New
    -2
    Oh yes, but the Pszek Wunderwaflah PL-1 has long been adopted wassat
  28. sergv131
    sergv131 April 22 2020 05: 02 New
    +3
    I was in Poland 1 time like everything is normal. Russophobia did not notice. and you read their komenty envious psychos. 2300 of course will not. they will make at least 700 it will be calmer and the Poles also have 2 leopards on them. 700 pieces will be enough to burn all their nerds.
    1. foreign spy
      foreign spy April 22 2020 09: 54 New
      -1
      Now imagine how a Pole enters VO to read our comments about them, what should he think after that
      1. Varaga
        Varaga April 22 2020 13: 55 New
        -1
        To think that he is a khan if his "bubbles" in power will shrink.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. Varaga
            Varaga April 22 2020 15: 09 New
            -1
            To think that you are khan.
  29. Zhevlonenko
    Zhevlonenko April 22 2020 14: 28 New
    0
    The important thing is not how much the barrel deviates during the shot, but how quickly the barrel stabilizes, and at a speed of 10 shots per minute, 5-6 seconds between shots is more than enough.