Officer club. A corner of fun in the middle of the Caucasian war


The first hotel in the city of Stavropol, which became a kind of second "headquarters" of the Caucasian line, began to be built in 1837. The initiative to build another stone (quite modern at that time) building belonged to the local mayor Ivan Grigoryevich Ganilovsky. In the new house, which was supposed to be completed by the arrival of Emperor Nicholas I himself, Ivan Ganilovsky opened a hotel, which was officially called the “restaurant”.


A very elegant house in the following years was constantly being completed. Ganilovsky recklessly sculpted new additions to the house. The so-called Savelyev Gallery appeared, which got its name from the staff captain Savelyev, who lived in the “restaurant” on an ongoing basis.

Soon, a Greek refugee and skilled entrepreneur Pyotr Afanasyevich Naytaki, who turned the hotel into a corner of the Caucasian officer corps, became the tenant of the building. According to legend, the name of Naytaki from Pyotr Afanasevich appeared when he arrived from Greece in Taganrog, having escaped from the yoke by the Ottoman. The customs official made a mistake and wrote in the column the last name the previous place of residence of the Greek - “on Ithaca”, like the famous Odyssey. The odyssey of the most “newborn” Naitaki was more prosaic than the work of the great Homer. After Taganrog, he moved to Pyatigorsk, and then to Stavropol.

Officer club. A corner of fun in the middle of the Caucasian war

Naytaki after the revolution

At that moment, the headquarters of the commander of the entire Caucasian line was located in the city itself. In view of all of the above, the hotel bore many names among the people. She was called “Moscow”, and “Naytakovskaya”, and “Restaurant”, and, finally, “Officer Club”.

Hot fun and fierce war


As the author indicated above, the headquarters of the commander of the troops of the Caucasian line was located in Stavropol. There was the headquarters of the Linear Cossack army. And in 1816, at the direction of Ermolov, in the interests of providing the Caucasus Corps, the Provincial Master Commission and the Commissariat Commission were located on the territory of the Stavropol Fortress. Thus, all the officers transferred to the Caucasus, one way or another ended up in Stavropol. Someone was immediately sent to distant fortifications or to battalions operating on the Caucasian line, while someone had to wait a couple of weeks to expect directions.

But not only newly arrived officers rushed to Stavropol. The city was then the center of life in the midst of an endless and bloody war. The trade with mountain residents was in full swing. Having received short-term leave or secondment to other units, the officers rushed to Stavropol. And in Stavropol itself, everyone invariably gathered at the Naytaki Hotel.

It was here that friends, relatives and acquaintances who had not seen each other for months, or even years, preparing for the next long separation, arranged revels and friendly gatherings. Wine poured, the officers who could die at any moment in the deaf garrisons lost in the mountains did not spare. And all this “economy" was stubbornly watched by a dark-skinned Greek with black whiskers - Pyotr Afanasyevich Naytaki. Naytaki always looked for ways to entertain officers exhausted by fights.


So, noting that the officers love billiards, Pyotr Afanasyevich instantly arranged a billiard room in the best tradition. Leather sofas stretched along the walls of the billiard room, on which staff and chief officers sat, conducting a keen conversation. Here the genius of Russian literature “rolled the balls” Mikhail Yuryevich Lermontov, being an officer of the Tenginsky regiment. There was a place for tables for playing cards, on which sometimes slides of gold and piles of banknotes in the form of bets rose. Gambling and fun parties went on all night.

The rooms themselves at that time and the battles surrounding Stavropol were considered the pinnacle of comfort - high ceilings and beautiful furniture. And the wide windows breathed freshness and sun. The main thing is that the officers did not have to expect that a grenade or a burning smut would fly into the room through an open window.

There was a hotel and a good dining room at the restaurant level. There were two living rooms, on the tables of which you could always find fresh rooms of the Northern Bee and the Russian Disabled. For officers who have been sitting in the Caucasian fortifications for months, reading any literature to the holes on long, dreary winter nights, fresh periodicals were just a gift.

Madness of the brave ... more champagne!


The Caucasian officers, like ordinary soldiers, for the most part were forcedly desperately brave in all areas - both in battle and in verbal battles. This was quite logical: they won’t send the Caucasus further if the famous saying about Siberia was slightly changed. So, according to some controversial memoirs of contemporaries, during the arrival of Emperor Nicholas I to Stavropol in 1837, the hotel was visited by the Decembrist, the prince and private soldier of the Nizhny Novgorod Dragoon Regiment, Alexander Odoevsky, with his friend - the officer of the Tenginsky regiment Mikhail Lermontov.


Mikhail Lermontov

At that moment, when the procession of the emperor took to the street where the hotel was located (later, in honor of this event, the street will be called Nikolaevsky Prospect), Lermontov and Odoevsky ran out onto the balcony with their friends pouring wine over the weight of the war. Odoevsky noted that the procession looks too gloomy. And, suddenly for everyone, the prince shouted from the balcony in Latin: "Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant." This is the famous cry of the gladiators: "Glory Caesar, those who go to death will greet you." After this phrase, Odoevsky in one gulp emptied a glass of champagne. Lermontov followed suit.

But friends chose to immediately lead the brisk prince from the balcony, fearing that even larger punishment could fall on their friend's head. Odoevsky simply waved it off, abandoning it like: “Well, gentlemen, the Russian police in Latin are not yet trained!”


Sometimes the servicemen crossed the line, and the local police department sent angry reports upstairs. Thus, the administration reported that "officers sent to the Caucasus to participate in affairs against the highlanders are making various riots." In fact, sometimes tipsy officers after an unsuccessful game of cards challenged each other to a duel. The police demanded to cover the hotel or at least close the cart tables and the dining room, which at that time was considered a tavern. The authorities, having weighed all the pros and cons, answered the police department with a categorical refusal.

Sunset Officer Club


At its peak, it was impossible to find a single civilian in the Naytaki Hotel. Rippled in the eyes from the military uniform of the Tenginsky and Navaginsky regiments, handsome grenadiers and officers of the linear units in dark blue Circassians. Lermontov and the Decembrist Nikolai Lorer stayed here, the nobleman and private Sergey Krivtsov and Baron Andrei Rosen, who also participated in the Decembrist uprising, Bestuzhev-Marlinsky, who would die in the area of ​​modern Adler, and Mikhail Nazimov, who, according to some contemporaries, at least famously led fight in the rank of second lieutenant, but he himself, guided by his principles, never laid bare weapons.

The sunset of the "Officers Club" began with the death of Ivan Ganilovsky. The descendants of the mayor, who bequeathed part of his real estate to Stavropol, were far from the zeal of his ancestor. Very quickly, the son, and then the grandson of Ganilovsky, went into debt and were forced to sell the real estate. They also sold the Naytaki hotel. She went to the Armenian merchant, who started the reconstruction of the building, retaining only the general details of the former hotel.


Naytaki now

Now in the architectural monument of the 19th century there are private shops and cafes, which, God sees, do not adorn the facade of the former hotel. As a reminder of the dashing stories once the "Officers Club" on the building there is a sign saying:

“In this building was the Naitaki Restauratement, named after the famous Greek entrepreneur Petr Naitaki. M. Yu. Lermontov, the Decembrists, stayed here. Monument of architecture of the XIX century. Built by I. Ganilovsky. "
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  1. rich April 23 2020 05: 45 New
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    The building that remembers Lermontov, Odoevsky and Krivtsov, which is described by the respected author, is simply called by the locals - "Naytaki"
    The officer’s club, or meeting in Stavropol is not called this building, but another (built in 1912), on the street on March 8.
    Composed of siliceous limestone in the style of romantic Art Nouveau, with delicate balconies, a front arched entrance, with an intricate non-repeating window sandric, with conical capitals and half columns, symbolic victorious shields and a profile of Victoria (Victory), a bas-relief emblem of the Stavropol province, it amazes with its unusual .



    Before the WWI, an officer meeting was located in it. During the First World War, the building housed a somatic hospital and a dormitory for its staff. During the Civil War, the building housed the infirmaries of the White and Red armies. In Soviet times, the building remained a dormitory for the medical staff of the same hospital. Today it houses the endocrinology department of the hospital.
    Since this building is very noticeable, it is one of the "calling cards" of the city.
  2. rich April 23 2020 06: 17 New
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    The first hotel in the city of Stavropol, which became a kind of second "headquarters" of the Caucasian line, began to be built in 1837. The initiative to build another stone (quite modern at that time) building belonged to the local mayor Ivan Grigoryevich Ganilovsky. In the new house, which was supposed to be completed by the arrival of Emperor Nicholas I himself, Ivan Ganilovsky opened a hotel, which was officially called the “restaurant”.

    Ivan Ganilovsky bought cattle in the surrounding villages and farms, which drove to St. Petersburg and Moscow, took contracts to supply the army with food and uniforms. He was also engaged in entrepreneurial activity, in 1835 he opened the first hotel in the city, which he leased to the businessman, Greek Peter Anisimovich Naitaki, which the author describes.
    In addition, in 1843, Ivan Ganilovsky at the beginning of Ostrozhny Street, as the Oktyabrsky Revolution Avenue was originally called, the first wooden theater building in the Caucasus was built, which, however, soon burned down. In his place, according to the project of the famous Stavropol architect Tkachenko, he erects a new, stone, with his grandeur, striking contemporaries. So, the capital’s magazine “Repertory and Pantheon” for 1845 wrote: “The former troupe of the Stavropol Theater disintegrated. The theater building itself is a burnt down dilapidated building. Instead, a stone building with a beautiful facade was erected. It is designated for the theater, has two tiers of boxes, a gallery is arranged in the third tier. This building can be an adornment of a larger and better city than Stavropol ... Its builder, the head of the local merchants of Ganilovsky, did not spare anything for its splendor. The theater is lit with gas. ”
    You will be surprised, comrades, but today in this building is located .... - House of officers of the Stavropol garrison


    1. Caretaker April 23 2020 07: 05 New
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      Quote: Rich
      Ivan Ganilovsky bought cattle in the surrounding villages and farms, which drove to St. Petersburg and Moscow

      It will be far away, probably closer, since he "took contracts to supply the army with food and uniforms."
      1. rich April 23 2020 07: 22 New
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        So one does not interfere with the other. And cattle drove, and took army contracts, and did not shun rent. Took up everything that makes a profit. A versatile was the merchants of the 1 Guild of Pravda and the patron was great. Honorary Citizen of Stavropol. He built a religious school under the mountain - now there is school number 4. The church was built. The old Danilovskoe cemetery ennobled, by the way on it and is buried.
        1. rich April 23 2020 08: 22 New
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          Views of the old Stavropol








          1. rich April 23 2020 08: 23 New
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            More old photos








            1. rich April 23 2020 08: 25 New
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              And finally



              1. Lipchanin April 23 2020 09: 15 New
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                Dmitry, thanks for the historical tour hi
              2. Olgovich April 24 2020 09: 43 New
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                Yes, the provincial Stavropol looks weaker than the provincial Chisinau: this palace

                - almost 200 years!
                This is a gymnasium! Inside, extraordinary luxury: marble floors, 5 m ceilings, glass roof, huge 3 m windows, etc.

                It
                -Also a gymnasium. Alas, not preserved ....
        2. Caretaker April 23 2020 12: 28 New
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          Quote: Rich
          So one does not interfere with the other.

          Confused by the distance to the specified destinations.
          From Stavropol to Moscow in a straight line - 1200 km., From Stavropol to St. Petersburg - 1800 km.
          The distance along the road is twice as large, i.e. approximately 2500 and 3500km.
          In how many days is it possible to carry out a privat drive in central Russia?
          I have never heard of such distant regular drives of cattle or small cattle in the meridional direction.
          PS I liked the article, but the author did not look at the map when writing the article, unfortunately. It's like a brick in the middle of a flat path.
          1. Vikxnumx April 24 2020 09: 49 New
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            From Stavropol to Moscow in a straight line - 1200 km., From Stavropol to St. Petersburg - 1800 km.
            The distance along the road is twice as large, i.e. approximately 2500 and 3500km.

            Moscow is approximately 1 km ...
            1. Caretaker April 24 2020 10: 20 New
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              Quote: VIK1711
              From Stavropol to Moscow in a straight line - 1200 km., From Stavropol to St. Petersburg - 1800 km.
              The distance along the road is twice as large, i.e. approximately 2500 and 3500km.

              Moscow is approximately 1 km ...

              Yandex maps have a ruler tool.
              They did not drive cattle along the tract, therefore, it was approximately twice as long. Well, let it be 2000 km., What will change?
              Why drive to St. Petersburg or Moscow when the Caucasian army is nearby? It is unclear what to feed on the route, because there are no ownerless meadows along the road.
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  3. Olgovich April 23 2020 07: 18 New
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    The first in the city of Stavropol innbegan to be built in 1837 году


    An interesting topic is the architecture of New Russia.

    Resident of the Novorossiysk city. getting into another city of the region it will feel at home there: they are built in the general South Russian style. often. architects alone and at about the same time.
    Moreover, each is beautiful in its own way.

    Odessa. Chisinau, Bender, Belgorod-Dniester, Ekaterinodar, Sevastopol, Simferopol, Tiraspol, Stavropol, Melitopol, Ovidiopol, Novorossiysk, etc., are a delightfully beautiful face of southern Russia!

    One can only admire and wonder at that huge, titanic work on arranging the edge from the Wild Steppe to the pearl of Russiacarried out by the state and the people in such a short time — on such a huge territory — from the Caucasus to the Danube.

    Dozens of cities, fortresses, factories, shipyards, million hectares of arable land, orchards, vineyards, vegetable gardens, tens of millions of inhabitants are an amazing example of state building!
    1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 08: 12 New
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      In Chisinau, as in Krasnodar, the beautiful old center was destroyed during the hostilities during the Second World War. Odessa + - preserved.
      1. Olgovich April 23 2020 08: 44 New
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        In Chisinau, as in Krasnodar, the beautiful old center was destroyed during the fighting during the Second World War

        Well, what are you: far. far from all: fabulous buildings, palaces of the bank, excise management. the courts of Bessarabia, gymnasiums, cathedrals, etc., all this has been standing for much more than a hundred years!



        Infinitely sorry. of course. diocesan house. pharmacy in armenian. Grand Hotel. -they could be restored, but did not want to.

        and much, just demolished in later years, the Lutheran church. Ilyinsky church, etc.
        1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 10: 01 New
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          Separate buildings certainly preserved hi
          But, according to the recollections of the late grandfather and grandmother and their peers, most of the beautiful Chisinau buildings were destroyed. As in Krasnodar, according to local old-timers. Odessa and Chernivtsi are more fortunate.
          1. Olgovich April 23 2020 10: 51 New
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            But, according to the recollections of the late grandfather and grandmother and their peers, most of the beautiful Chisinau buildings were destroyed.

            Father returned from evacuation in August 1944, the city was still smoking: the center was badly damaged, but the buildings were not completely destroyed.

            Everything could be restored, but, alas, they did not consider it necessary.

            A lot of demolished just the most beautiful buildings after the war - a whole complex opposite the Victory Arch (an ugly Council of Ministers was built in their place), etc.

            A huge layer of history was destroyed by the Romanians before the war. from 1918 to 1940 g6 Russian monuments. magnificent arches, etc.

            For instance. Monument to Alexander 1. built on public donations (120 thousand rubles!) to the 100th anniversary of Bessarabia's entry into Russia 6

            sculpture at the foot of the monument: Russia and Bessarabia:


            Naturally, all this is demolished ...
            1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 11: 05 New
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              Where was this monument?
              1. Olgovich April 23 2020 11: 18 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                Where was this monument?

                Corner of Pushkin-Alexandrovskaya (Lenin), Victory Square
                1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 15: 25 New
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                  Where was the Children's World under the Union or closer to Stefan?
                  1. Olgovich April 23 2020 21: 42 New
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                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Where was the Children's World under the Union or closer to Stefan?

                    Diagonally from the D. world through the intersection, 70 meters recourse -, roughly opposite the monument to Alexander II, in the place of which they put Stefan
                    1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 22: 07 New
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                      what ?
                      I didn’t know that Stefan was put in place of Alexander the Second .. not a damn thing ..
                      1. Liam April 23 2020 22: 34 New
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                        Stefan was put in different places. This monument has a hectic history)
                        About the cultural or historical value of the monuments of the kings, modestly keep silent).
                      2. Krasnodar April 23 2020 22: 40 New
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                        Greetings! hi
                        Yes, I remember, once even the poetess married him laughing Monument to the Tsar - at always a piece of history + culture (architecture) - decoration of the city in any
                        What is going on with the crown in Italy?
                      3. Liam April 23 2020 22: 50 New
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                        Good health, I wish!
                        Well, yes. And the monument to Lenin, too, then had to be left on the central square). Stefan the Sovereign of Moldova and the father of the nation. And Lenin and the tsar-transit passengers whom no one called there.
                        We’re getting out like a little quiet. Two months of quarantine will soon be
                      4. Krasnodar April 23 2020 23: 27 New
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                        Fair? And Lenin, too, should be left everywhere - this is a layer of glorious history filled with events on a global scale, including Moldova - IMHO.
                        Does the state pay people something?
                      5. Liam April 23 2020 23: 44 New
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                        Well, yes, glorious. How not to store monuments to people who loaded tens of thousands of people into cars and left to die in 40 degree frosts in Siberia and Kazakhstan, and left the rest to cannibalism by hunger. And this is in Moldova with its climate and black soil). . Pushkin's monument, for example, the museum house and the street in his honor, no one touched.
                        Everyone who is in quarantine -80% of the salary, 800/1000 euros for baby sitter for emergency workers, tax transfer, up to 18 months of transfer of payments on mortgages. And a lot of money to firms and enterprises)
                      6. Krasnodar April 24 2020 00: 14 New
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                        And what about Lenin? )))
                        There was a flip side to the coin - Brezhnev, who opened two chambers of commerce - not only to the republic, but to Chisinau (usually opened only to large industrial cities), a good industry plus preserving the republic’s natural agricultural system (I’m not talking about cutting Gorbachev’s vineyards - this is a clinic). By the way, the medical faculty was good, they invested in culture - Moldavian musical groups, popularization of literature, etc. That is - not everything was bad.
                        80% of any salary? Better than in Israel good
                      7. Liam April 24 2020 00: 38 New
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                        And did not Lenin establish this regime?)
                        The story smiles a little about investing. It was as if people were sleeping on the stoves and someone was giving him gifts. The people plowed and built it all, not the general secretaries. As was built everywhere in the world where there were no general secretaries. Not everything was bad, but that’s bad that was, crosses out everything. Everything would be built and grown and without that ocean of blood.
                        Yes, 80. The day before yesterday I received it in March). The self-employed are only given 600 each. In April they raised to 800
                      8. Krasnodar April 24 2020 01: 17 New
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                        Lenin brought the Bolsheviks to power - no more. And for all Israelis and Italians, the social program is normal, and it was so because of fear of the success of the Soviet Bolsheviks drinks
                        The people plowed - and the Moldovans worked hard, no one disputes this, but Brezhnev’s patronage was very, very dense and sincere, because before that, he was Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Moldova. The ocean of blood touched Russians, Ukrainians, Moldova, etc. - It was. Of course, it was possible to do without it, moreover, to make everything more intelligent at times. Nevertheless, the MSSR was a republic with a very high standard of living relative to the same RSFSR, despite the fact that its repression affected the same extent as the rest.
                        In Israel, unemployment benefits are paid - for people with a minimum wage it is almost 90% (somewhere around 1200 EUR, approximately), but there is a maximum - 2400 and that's it. That is, half of the workers lost a minuscule amount (if they lost, there were less expenses due to quarantine), 20 percent lost more, and 30 percent of the working population, who earned from 4500 euros and more, lost more than half (in addition to downtime).
                      9. Liam April 24 2020 01: 43 New
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                        The historical memory of peoples is such a thing). Who wants to understand and forgive or justify his right. Similarly, others have the right not to forget and not justify. Only usually the first sooner or later step on the same rake)
                        None. This is not unemployment benefits, 80% pay everyone, received 1500 or 3000, no difference.
                        Unemployment benefits are arranged differently here. 80% are paid for the first 3 months, then 70 and then downward. To stimulate a job search)
                      10. Krasnodar April 24 2020 02: 53 New
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                        I do not mean to understand and forgive (this is everyone’s business) - I mean that there was no discrimination by Moldova by the Soviets, on the contrary, it was considered a privileged republic.
                        Hey ... in Italy everything is better)) In Israel, for half a year the same (in my opinion, I never sat on it) unemployment benefits - and the less you earn, the more you get a percentage. You sit for a maximum of six months - then you go to work as you have to laughing Now everyone is put on unemployment benefits - you have the right to it, if you worked for six months - EMNIP. If not, kaput. The National Insurance Institute grant is about 700 euros per month, while prices in Israel are higher than Italian.
                      11. Olgovich April 24 2020 08: 59 New
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                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I'm not about to understand and forgive (this is everyone's business)

                        there’s still some thing: no Russophobia. such as. in western Ukraine. before the Communists in Bessarabia was not.

                        even during the occupation of Romania. with the prohibition of the Russian language. Nazis from the local-practically. did not have . and the Romanians admitted with vexation. that to eradicate the Russian language and sympathy for Russia, they can’t.

                        The nationalists were brought up by the communist government itself - in the form of a national elite

                        В August 1941 a large group of young Bessarabians (Chisinau residents) was hanged over the years. opposed the Romanian and German invaders. they were 15-18 years. those. were born and raised under the Romanians. but, nevertheless, they came out and died ...

                        . they were inexperienced and almost immediately got caught ...

                        they lived on my street and my relatives knew them well, the tragedy was terrible, for the boys' mothers, their families ....

                        There is their mass grave at the memorial, and we, their neighbors from the street (several families), every May 9 we begin by laying flowers on their grave. Their relatives also come ...
                      12. Krasnodar April 24 2020 09: 29 New
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                        There were - a neighbor of my great-grandmother before the Germans pulled her out of the basement of her house and shot him. But this was not a mass phenomenon - Moldovans sheltered my other relatives in the village, like so many Jews.
                    2. Liam April 24 2020 09: 15 New
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                      I don’t say that it was Moldova that was specifically discriminated against for some reason. Moldova or the Baltic states were still lucky. The horrors of the civil war and hell of the 30s passed by. Lucky). But what was in the 40s was enough for a historical vaccination. Therefore, the poets -Monuments and streets, and kings and general secretaries of the former and future-to the dump)
                    3. Krasnodar April 24 2020 09: 23 New
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                      Here I will no longer argue, your country is your business. Although I am against the demolition of any historical monuments
                    4. Liam April 24 2020 09: 44 New
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                      So Italy did not have to demolish the monuments of Mussolini and the symbolism of fascism or Germany, all that was connected with Nazism. Historical monuments, if one so argues). Monuments are still a sign of respect to someone, and not just architectonics. There are those who deserve veneration, and there are those who do not. There is good and bad, otherwise historical schizophrenia is obtained. As in Chisinau pensioners, who are nostalgic for the kings, who are secretary generals and ardently those who love Russia but prefer to do it from a foggy Moldavian far, and not from solar magadan. Moreover, due to the pathos of love, the Russians living in Russia are one and a half buildings ahead and screaming about it with caps and bold letters in every post to and from the place. And for the bashful covering this harsh truth of life using the fig leaf of various mythical novorossi and building outposts of the Motherland surrounded by themselves behind the enemy’s rear. I don’t want to be selfish for the sake of the historical mission, I’m sitting on the neck of the Moldovan pension fund and pouring grief on Moldovan Cahors)
                    5. Krasnodar April 24 2020 12: 45 New
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                      It is not correct to compare Soviet socialism and German Nazism. There is a huge difference between the class struggle and the racial one, incl. according to the number of victims. As for fascism - during the reign of Mussolini, 29 political appanions were executed.
                    6. Liam April 25 2020 00: 06 New
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                      It’s incorrect to attribute to me what I did not say). I just showed clear examples when it is impossible to elevate the preservation of monuments to absolute because of their supposedly historical value.
                      But once they said then I will answer for this moment as well.
                      And what exactly is the difference to those tens / hundreds of thousands of Moldovans who died from deportations and starvation from the controversial fact that they, without fault and sense, were destroyed by a regime that was not in the first place in terms of cruelty, but was even worse? Does this somehow smooth out their pain and suffering? If the Nazis killed, you can curse, and if Stalin, then you need to build monuments? What is the significant difference between sending a person to the furnace for Nazi motives or shooting for class motives? What moral or legal rules say that one is better than the other?)

                      Mussolini had 29 killed opponents to demolish his monuments. How many opponents did Stalin destroy?)
                    7. Krasnodar April 25 2020 08: 04 New
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                      I do not ascribe to you words about the identity of the two regimes - I write that the monument to Lenin and Hitler are different things, it is not correct to compare them.
            2. Olgovich April 24 2020 10: 24 New
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              It was enough in the 40s for historical vaccination. Therefore, the poets are monuments and streets, and the kings and general secretaries of the former and future are to the dump)

              kings and .... 1940s? belay fool lol

              The tsars were removed not by the residents of Chisinau, who built monuments for them at their own expense, but by the Russophobic Nazi occupiers.
    2. Olgovich April 24 2020 08: 49 New
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      Quote: Liam
      It was as if the people there were sleeping on the stoves and someone gave him presents. The people plowed and built all this, not the general secretaries. As was built everywhere in the world where there were no general secretaries.

      and until 1940 he slept on a stove, it turns out lol Either a fig was not built, not a honey. no peda, no factory.

      Ahhh, he began to work more / earn more ... under communism? lol

      It was he who, suddenly, became rich with them and .... earned money on dozens of institutes. hundreds of factories, tens of thousands of homes? lol

      or him. after all. pumped in huge financial. cash. human resources (absolutely in vain. of course)?
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    And what about Lenin? )))

    he is a cannibal.
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Brezhnev, who opened two chambers of commerce - not only the republic, but Chisinau (usually opened only to large industrial cities), a good industry, plus the preservation of the republic’s natural agrarian system

    agrarian?

    and a bunch of plants. nobody in FIG is needed here?

    Let me remind you that MSSR ALWAYS consumed much more than it earned at the expense of Russia
  5. Krasnodar April 24 2020 08: 56 New
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    I know about factories - but the republic has always been considered agricultural
  6. Olgovich April 24 2020 09: 24 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    I know about factories - but the republic is always was considered agricultural

    unconditionally.

    According to political analyst Anatoly Shevchenko, “the share of agriculture in the Moldavian SSR in 1990 was 36%. According to statistics for 1990, the share of industry in the economy of the Moldavian SSR was 37%
  7. Olgovich April 24 2020 08: 33 New
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    Quote: Liam
    .A Lenin and the tsar-transit passengers whom no one called there.

    1. Lenin there ... and never was, for Russian Bessarabia was occupied by Romania. "expert"

    2. Those whom the Russian Emperors did not have time to liberate in the 17-18 centuries were simply CUT TO by your Turks in the 20th century.

    Those who have managed to live and have grown many times.

    chop these facts on your forehead

    after all the fathers of the nation, about 50% of the territory of the Prut-Dniester turned out to be ... directly subordinate to the Turkish sultan
  • Olgovich April 23 2020 11: 11 New
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    Before Romanian occupation of Bessarabia in Chisinau there were .... more arches than in Rome 12 pieces- In honor of the victories of Russian weapons, in honor of the arrival of emperors and empresses in Chisinau, etc.
    Bendery Arch - in honor of the victory in the Russian-Turkish war:


    Destroyed 1918. BUT, today it is recreated in Transnistria, in Bender!

    Beautiful acre was
    nothing has survived at the Noble Assembly:


    And survived the shock of everything .... one arch in the center ...
    1. Krasnodar April 23 2020 15: 26 New
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      And next to the house in the Austrian style
  • rich April 23 2020 08: 49 New
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    Many thanks to you, dear Father Sergiy (or Sergey, I'm sorry I don’t know how to) for your fascinating "trips" around the Caucasus. I look forward to when you get to Georgievsk
  • Senior seaman April 23 2020 08: 52 New
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    As for me, the crazy building in the 00x, much more changed the face of Krasnodar.
    1. rich April 23 2020 09: 14 New
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      And not only Krasnodar.
      Me Sergey Svarog51 He sent modern photos of Ivanovo, where I studied at school in the 70s, if it weren’t for his explanations that the beautiful city of childhood would not have known, it feels like this is one of the districts of New Moscow
    2. Olgovich April 23 2020 09: 56 New
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      Quote: Senior Sailor
      As for me, the crazy building in the 00x, much more changed the face of Krasnodar.

      Yes, except Krasnodar ....

      Alas, this whirlwind of new buildings destroys and distorts cute old centers, like locusts ...
    3. Krasnodar April 23 2020 10: 04 New
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      Let's just say - Kubanonaberezhnaya has become prettier, about the Shanghai in the Center - they do not add coasots to the city - IMHO.
  • Lipchanin April 23 2020 09: 18 New
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    Quote: Olgovich
    Dozens of cities, fortresses, factories, shipyards, million hectares of arable land, orchards, vineyards, vegetable gardens, tens of millions of inhabitants are an amazing example of state building!

    And all this is just given
    That's where historical justice needs to be restored.
  • The leader of the Redskins April 23 2020 09: 38 New
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    And I, as a builder, am surprised when I look at the facade - the building does not seem big, where does it come from with so many of the listed premises?)))
    1. Olgovich April 23 2020 09: 46 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And I, as a builder, am surprised when I look at the facade - the building does not seem big, where does it come from with so many of the listed premises?)))

      as far as I understood there was a mass outbuildings: gallery, etc., etc.
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    Stavropol is a dead end in the railway and in the historical sense (value judgment). What's the corner of fun? Still having fun.