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Global ambition: talking about Elon Mask

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A certain group of people has been outlined that sees the need for the work of the American inventor and businessman Elon Musk to be considered complete quackery. And despite the successes that are foolish to deny, there are people who are inclined to either make fun of SpaceX space programs or try not to notice them. Such an attitude towards the competitor seems incomprehensible. After all, to belittle other people's successes is a sure way to ensure that sooner or later a competitor will bypass you.


In the middle of the 20th century, the United States cost a lot of such hatreds: while the United States tried to convince themselves that the Communist Soviet Union was a technologically backward country, unable to win the space race, the USSR launched the first satellite, and then Yuri Gagarin flew into the space.

A program was released on the Day TV channel, in which they tried to figure out what really is the contribution that Ilon Mask makes to modern astronautics. Moreover, the transfer was started with the rather stinging remarks of the journalist addressed to Mask.

The guest of the program, which, as stated, helped to figure out the activities of Ilon Mask, was Dmitry Mikheev, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, a political scientist specializing in America.

Dmitry Mikheev:

The projects of Elon Mask are aimed at saving humanity. He has some completely global ambitions.

Full version of the talk about Elon Mask:

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  1. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 22 2020 05: 42 New
    15
    There has also been a tradition of almost deifying this Mask, exposing it to be an accomplishment. This, too, to put it mildly, is not so. Especially students
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 22 2020 06: 11 New
      0
      Elon Musk is without a doubt a great man.
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ April 22 2020 06: 26 New
        +6
        Elon Musk is without a doubt the great
        charlatan
        1. smart ass
          smart ass April 22 2020 07: 06 New
          0
          A man climbed out of the mud. He made a fortune with his head and hard work. Are there many such people in Russia? Sechin? Prokhorov?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 22 2020 07: 19 New
            15
            Quote: Clever man
            A man climbed out of the mud. He made a fortune with his head and hard work.

            From the mud?

            Of course, Musk is not a child from a family of representatives of the establishment (like some), but also not a person from the "bottom" ...

            1. military_cat
              military_cat April 22 2020 07: 47 New
              +1
              Musk could continue to sit on NASA's budget, as ULA and Orbital ATK did before him, selling NASA launches much more expensive than Musk. And Musk took and made a unique rocket, brought down prices - so much so that Roscosmos, who had not complained so much about the much larger subsidies from NASA for ULA and Orbital ATK, suddenly ran out of place.
            2. donavi49
              donavi49 April 22 2020 08: 47 New
              -1
              Well, where does the background.

              Father and Mother drove him to study, connected his future with other areas. Program yourself in your free time, it won’t bring any money.

              He against their will, went on a gamble and won. Parents did not help here. Now, if the adventure failed (as it fails in 3/4 of cases) then the factor of the parents would have affected. Who would either kick him out with $ 1000 (if they were playing tough cops) or attach them to the big deal. wink
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 22 2020 08: 49 New
                +8
                Quote: donavi49
                Well, where does the background.

                Quote: donavi49
                Parents did not help here.


                You know for sure that the family wasn’t for him financial support, "start-up capital"?
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 April 22 2020 09: 10 New
                  0
                  What prop?

                  They took him to a good school, where, unlike other schools, there were computers and an advanced computer science course with a programming circle. But most importantly, on computer science, he met Allen. Yes, if he were a black man (and white without money) from the garbage block, he would not have gone to such a school, and he would have seen the computer only in the picture from the advertisement. PARENTS HELP 1.

                  Then they earned money on a beta test of industrial software for stationary machines (computers the size of an apartment). Then, with pocket money (and earnings from the beta test), they started to do business but were burnt out. Allen dumped in Honnevel. Gates was sent to a psychiatrist, and then to Harvard. PARENTS HELP 2.

                  Then he was kicked out of Harvard, he began to skip, his parents were skeptical. In the end, even when the police tied him up, he called Allen, not mom-dad.

                  Well, they started to skip already promising software and OS. Where it all happened. And where the parents did not help.
            3. nikvic46
              nikvic46 April 23 2020 07: 23 New
              -2
              Yesterday. So what? Parents put his brains in? Working on a computer, we begin to scold the creators. If you watch international exhibitions of information technology and robotics, do you see a lot of our entertainers at these exhibitions? I understand that everything is classified, sealed.
          2. Ilya098
            Ilya098 April 22 2020 07: 43 New
            +8
            Man climbed out of the mud

            If you did not know, this man had a rich father.
            1. Pontiffsulyvahn
              Pontiffsulyvahn 1 May 2020 16: 21 New
              -1
              Yes, and how many millions are there? But didn’t the fact that Mask's father actually abandoned his family and didn’t help?
          3. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 22 2020 10: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            A man climbed out of the mud. He made a fortune with his head and hard work. Are there many such people in Russia? Sechin? Prokhorov?

            The American Dream .......... Ahhh! Go to Europe or the USA and see the "dream" not as a tourist, but after living there! Better yet, look at the percentage of people who grabbed this very American dream by the beard in relation to the rest of the citizens and non-citizens who came for the dream! Where is the US middle class now, etc .. Where is their vaunted medicine in the fight against the virus ??? There is no money, and huge (insurance) - no medicine, free, to die on the street! Illusion, marketing! They sell air to the master.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass April 22 2020 11: 20 New
              -2
              No conversation, go outside of Moscow and see how people live, then what?
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r April 22 2020 11: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Clever man
                No conversation, go outside of Moscow and see how people live, then what?

                I live outside of Moscow, in 400 kilometers, I’m in other regions of the country, I haven’t been abroad as a tourist either!
              2. SASHA OLD
                SASHA OLD April 22 2020 13: 49 New
                -1
                Normally live, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Surgut
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 22 2020 11: 39 New
              11
              Quote: neri73-r
              There is no money, and huge (insurance) - there is no medicine, free, to die on the street! Illusion, marketing! They are air masters to sell.


              And in some places, and the availability of money does not guarantee NOTHING

              Here's what a tantrum "ours" threw in "Londongrad":

          4. Leon68
            Leon68 April 22 2020 17: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: Clever man
            Are there many such people in Russia?

            Mavrodi
            1. smart ass
              smart ass April 22 2020 17: 44 New
              -2
              Perhaps Pavel Durov was like a mask, but he left Russia because there are no prospects
        2. Gileada
          Gileada April 22 2020 07: 31 New
          -7
          Charlatan gave the world the most successful line of tesla electric vehicles, heavy rockets for delivering cargo to space at the lowest prices in the world falcon 9 and super-heavy falcon heavy, tesla energy storage devices, a refueling system and an autopilot for electric vehicles. This year, a network of satellites for an affordable wireless Internet starlink with low delays and a wide channel will be used, new starship launch vehicles, medical neurolink chips, and much more are being developed. And what did Rogozin achieve while sitting on the country's budget? Maybe it's enough to denigrate successful organizers and inventors out of envy?
          1. smart ass
            smart ass April 22 2020 07: 47 New
            -5
            Man's success is always envy. The mask is condemned by people who invented nothing but a handful in the toilet in the morning.
            1. borberd
              borberd April 22 2020 08: 07 New
              -9
              Those who are here drowning against Musk, those - "for the power of a shame (s)." Therefore, at every forum they try to belittle the merits and achievements of Musk. It cannot be cured. sad
              1. Shopping Mall
                Shopping Mall April 22 2020 09: 36 New
                0
                Quote: borberd
                Those who are here drowning against Musk, those - "for the power of a shame (s)." Therefore, at every forum they try to belittle the merits and achievements of Musk. It cannot be cured. sad


                It really is. No arguments will help here, as with supporters of the lunar conspiracy, HIV deniers, opponents of vaccinations and supporters of the flat earth theory. Some just "BELIEVE". Even the videos of the landing of the rocket stages, shown from different angles, manage to deny that there was no such thing and that's it!

                There is an explanation for this. It was once believed that the Internet would allow people to become smarter, freely exchange opinions and find answers. In fact, the Internet has become "gravitational". People do not go to resources whose visitors' opinion does not coincide with theirs, but go where they are comfortable. Those. if a person believes in a flat earth, then he will not go to the sites of space lovers or astronomy, where his nonsense will be ridiculed, but will go to the sites of the same, where he will receive full support for his ideas. As a result, a positive feedback arises - a person becomes even more convinced that he is right, and along the way convinces others. As a result, the Internet is clustered according to interests, and often absolutely irreconcilable hostility arises between the clusters - for example, between supporters of German and Japanese cars. As in space, gravity helped the planets and stars to form, so on the Internet, the "attraction of opinions" forms certain "clusters" of interests.

                Regarding Musk, he may not be an inventor or a genius, but he is definitely a good organizer - manager. In some ways, he can be compared with Beria, adjusted for the political system and era. Sometimes a good organizer, a manager, is more important than an inventor. In our time, no inventor single-handedly implements a landmark project - everything is done by teams. And the creation of such teams, the organization of their work, the search, motivation and retention of "inventors" and the presence of the will to implement their ideas is worth a lot.

                Get a theme from us with a Yo-mobile. How much noise was the result? And that is all. They tried, it didn’t work out and scored. So the question is, what is wrong with us? Does the state interfere / do not support? Or is the business mentality wrong? Or some other reason?
                1. edmed
                  edmed April 22 2020 14: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: AVM
                  As for Mask, he may not be an inventor or a genius, but he is definitely a good organizer - a manager.

                  Nope, not Beria, at the end of the 19th century there was such an effective manager, Edison, dopped up the inventions of others before the industrial production, though he put his name, e-bulb, phonograph, phone, etc. on the dopilin.
            2. your1970
              your1970 April 22 2020 22: 28 New
              +1
              Quote: Clever man
              Man's success is always envy. The mask is condemned by people who invented nothing but a handful in the toilet in the morning.

              I am confused by people signing up in a queue not even for a project - just for a picture of a new car and bringing a bunch of dough for it .... wait and see ... Mavrodi also started out beautifully ...
          2. Varyag71
            Varyag71 April 22 2020 09: 14 New
            -8
            zaputintsy minus
            1. smart ass
              smart ass April 22 2020 17: 45 New
              -1
              What else should they do on isolation, no work
            2. Varyag71
              Varyag71 April 23 2020 07: 29 New
              -1
              minusers, probably already working for nothing?
          3. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 22 2020 11: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: Gileada
            Charlatan has given the world the most successful line of tesla electric vehicles,

            what and who said that? It has long been proven that an electric car in modern times in the current way is an unprofitable thing!
            1. borberd
              borberd April 22 2020 13: 26 New
              -4
              When they invented a self-propelled stroller - the first car, the cabmen also said that it was unprofitable, a lot of smoke, you need to pour gasoline. It’s a matter of horse. Well, where are these cabs, tourists riding now?
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r April 22 2020 14: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: borberd
                When they invented a self-propelled stroller - the first car, the cabmen also said that it was unprofitable, a lot of smoke, you need to pour gasoline. It’s a matter of horse. Well, where are these cabs, tourists riding now?

                Serious argument! wassat A simple question for you, foreign comrade, where do you generate so much electricity on what? tongue That's when you study this question, then declare yourself.
        3. dzvero
          dzvero April 22 2020 08: 27 New
          +7
          Most likely a combinator with the right connections. Ostap Bender quietly envies ...
      2. 72jora72
        72jora72 April 22 2020 08: 20 New
        -2
        Elon Musk is without a doubt a great man.
        Elon Musk's head! ....... (c).
      3. pytar
        pytar April 22 2020 08: 54 New
        -10
        Elon Musk is without a doubt a great man.

        He is one of those really great people who change the world! Elon Musk sees beyond the horizon, he makes the future real! hi Such people always have envious people, ill-wishers, but where without them ...?! lol
        1. pytar
          pytar April 22 2020 14: 04 New
          -5
          Elon Musk sees beyond the horizon, he makes the future real! Such people always have envious people, ill-wishers, but where without them ...?!

          Minus members come in including ... laughing
      4. knn54
        knn54 April 22 2020 09: 42 New
        -5
        Musk is undoubtedly an enthusiast, even a fan of the Cosmos. You cannot achieve such success in this industry purely by desire ..
      5. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton April 24 2020 15: 57 New
        -1
        No, no doubt it is not.
    2. OLEG_ZOTOV
      OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 12: 37 New
      -4
      Quote: Cottodraton
      There has also been a tradition of almost deifying this Mask, exposing it to be an accomplishment. This, too, to put it mildly, is not so. Especially students


      If Elon Musk is a charlatan, then how did he manage to knock down the price of Roscosmos by 30%?
      Why does Rogozin even argue in public space with a charlatan?
      If Space X is a project of NASA and the CIA, then what prevents Roscosmos and the FSB together to create the same "private" company that will have the same efficiency and demand as Space X?
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 22 2020 14: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
        If Elon Musk is a charlatan, then how did he manage to knock down the price of Roscosmos by 30%?

        It's simple, let your Maxim voice the price of the issue, but not forget about hidden subsidies! fellow Then we’ll talk about 30%. And about what is still cheaper!
        1. OLEG_ZOTOV
          OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 15: 02 New
          -2
          It's simple, let your Maxim voice the price of the issue, but not forget about hidden subsidies!

          Please explain what "your" means.
          And what prevents us from covertly subsidizing Roscosmos?
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 22 2020 15: 04 New
            0
            Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
            Please explain what "your" means.
            And what prevents us from covertly subsidizing Roscosmos?

            Everything is clear, the old method is to chat, take away in particular! Change the training manual. And your because you drown for it. It prevents us from covertly subsidizing our conscience, the lack of a printing press and the absence of the need to dump, since putting us into orbit is the cheapest.
            1. OLEG_ZOTOV
              OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 16: 05 New
              -3
              Quote: neri73-r
              Everything is clear, the old method is to chat, take away in particular! Change the training manual. And your because you drown for it. It prevents us from covertly subsidizing our conscience, the lack of a printing press and the absence of the need to dump, since putting us into orbit is the cheapest.


              I don’t drown for the Mask, I ask questions, answer questions and make judgments. If you are personally guided in expressing your opinion on some manuals, then let me ask, your manual says why we cannot print rubles and additionally sponsor Roscosmos on a printing mill?
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r April 22 2020 16: 14 New
                -1
                Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
                Your training manual says why we can’t print rubles on a printing mill and additionally sponsor Roscosmos?

                It is written because in the 90s we voluntarily entered a system where only one prints! And now it’s painful (not we are alone) trying to jump (and this is good), but they are trying to hold us tight! Yes, and jumping abruptly is impossible, everything is destabilized, it is necessary quietly, and it is better if a window of opportunities appears.
                1. OLEG_ZOTOV
                  OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 16: 22 New
                  -3
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
                  Your training manual says why we can’t print rubles on a printing mill and additionally sponsor Roscosmos?

                  It is written because in the 90s we voluntarily entered a system where only one prints! And now it’s painful (not we are alone) trying to jump (and this is good), but they are trying to hold us tight! Yes, and jumping abruptly is impossible, everything is destabilized, it is necessary quietly, and it is better if a window of opportunities appears.


                  Ah, duck, are you a Nodovets? Do you believe in a powerless Putin who wants to stop appointing Grefs with Chubais, but the Americans don’t give him?
                  1. neri73-r
                    neri73-r April 22 2020 16: 32 New
                    -2
                    Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
                    Ah, duck, are you a Nodovets? Do you believe in a powerless Putin who wants to stop appointing Grefs with Chubais, but the Americans don’t give him?

                    I’ll tell you a secret, the world is not black and white and everything doesn’t happen once or twice! Even the IVS was waiting under those conditions!
                    1. OLEG_ZOTOV
                      OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 18: 00 New
                      -2
                      Quote: neri73-r
                      I’ll tell you a secret, the world is not black and white and everything doesn’t happen once or twice! Even the IVS was waiting under those conditions!


                      The IVS is too large-scale personality to be compared with the GDP. About "waiting" - scream. Under Stalin, not even a week passed between the capture of the embezzler by the hand and his execution. To compare with him Putin, who has been waiting for a convenient moment for 20 years so as not to shoot him, but simply to stop reassigning Chubais to top positions is insanity. Well, well, let's wait until 2036, maybe then Putin will decide to fire them with Kudrin.
                      1. neri73-r
                        neri73-r April 22 2020 18: 07 New
                        -1
                        Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
                        IVS is too large a person to be compared with GDP.

                        You are right, but if you compare the GDP with today's world leaders the same, the difference is big! Catching embezzlers is not a matter of GDP and it is not Chubais, the people have no goal, ideology! Ideology - live God, more money has outlived itself. We are spinning on the spot, and now deputies and elites have blabbed changes to the Constitution, removed from it the absence of property abroad, that is, an attempt to nationalize the elites. but actually I wrote to you about the global, and not about embezzlement.
                      2. OLEG_ZOTOV
                        OLEG_ZOTOV April 22 2020 18: 13 New
                        -1
                        Quote: neri73-r
                        and now deputies and elites chatted about changes to the Constitution, removed from it the absence of property abroad, that is, an attempt to nationalize the elites


                        Well, we will hold your fingers with you so that by the year 2036 Putin will finally stop being afraid of the United States and finally gather his strength together with the people to rise against the damned deputies-national traitors from his party.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 April 22 2020 22: 36 New
                      +2
                      Quote: OLEG_ZOTOV
                      Under Stalin, not a week passed between the capture of the embezzler’s hand and his execution.

                      Where did you read such nonsense? The Mask-Kurchevsky analogue, which promised everyone everything, slammed a bunch of resources, left the army without guns - only a year later they shot ...
      2. A.TOR
        A.TOR April 22 2020 21: 03 New
        +1
        And why, excuse me, should Mr. Musk voice the "question price"?
        There is a market - demand, he, Mask, supply. He has "hidden" subsidies ... no ...
        There is a MARKET. DEMAND. SENTENCE.
        The rest is empty chatter and rage from the fact that your results are so-so.
  2. Corundum
    Corundum April 22 2020 22: 07 New
    -3
    But we are sober people. Here is a link to the next launch of Falcon 9 (Starlink 6). It will fly into the space if everything is OK. There is still a bunch of Internet satellites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JILHmVO6o_s In this case, I think you can be glad for the success of I. Mask .. And let the haters or sneak mask sit around the edges. And we are a reasonable middle!))))
  3. iouris
    iouris April 27 2020 00: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Especially students

    Who missed the moment and did not offer Rogozin instead of Mask? Punish!
    It is known that the government in the USA does not have the right to do business. Personally, I suspect that Musk is a screen for government programs.
  • Vasily Ponomarev
    Vasily Ponomarev April 22 2020 05: 49 New
    -2
    Quote: Cottodraton
    There has also been a tradition of almost deifying this Mask, exposing it to be an accomplishment. This, too, to put it mildly, is not so. Especially students

    there are many idiots in the world, you don’t have to answer all their emissions, do not respect yourself
  • ninguem
    ninguem April 22 2020 05: 52 New
    +2
    He has some completely global ambitions.

    Global projects are probably good. And what prevents us from doing global space projects? Rogozin? The official apparatus of Roscosmos? Lack of funding? Lack of knowledge? Or all together?
    1. Do not care
      Do not care April 22 2020 06: 04 New
      +1

      ...... And what is stopping us ...


      A political and economic system that does not allow people like Mask to take leading positions.
      It’s not smart, talented and hardworking that become rich, but cunningly-stamped thieves and swindlers close to the trough
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult April 22 2020 06: 29 New
        +6
        But Musk is not close to the feeder, he never received money from NASA, there are no common matters with the Pentagon.
        "does not allow people like Musk to take leading positions" - almost burst into tears, laughing.

        And tell me, what about the Mask with PowerWall, which should bring almost money to the owner?
        And how many kilometers of the loop are built?
        What about free internet for the whole world?
        And what about smart roofs, which are no more expensive than ordinary ones, and even generate electricity?

        Oh wow.
        1. viktor_ui
          viktor_ui April 22 2020 07: 13 New
          -3
          Eugene ... and you can list what technologies I.Mask has already been made and is actually being exploited in one way or another ... can you announce the list? You can start with the technology that he actually created and tested, which allows people with a damaged nervous system of the spine to really begin to walk - this is for you to start, or it’s a hyperloop ... yes, people already put smart roofs on their own hands and prepared packages You can order it yourself based on the final consumer load you need, and you will have several generations of photo panels to choose from.
          1. Cruorvult
            Cruorvult April 22 2020 07: 30 New
            +6
            Another nonsense of the hamster "technology is done." "which allows people with a damaged spinal nervous system to actually start walking" - and how many people run with this technology? This technology is under development, and if you become interested, then such developments are being carried out all over the world, including ours, while in ours it is not necessary to thrust hundreds of needles into the brain through a drilled skull.

            Before us is a typical Maskofil, the whole whitewash with roofs was raspiarirovan in 16, so it remained in about the same place.
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui April 22 2020 07: 35 New
              -7
              Well, that’s what the rabbit is and apparently smart ... you suggest he create the technology, and after that also insert it into the patients themselves ??? Come on, burn on ... I think that up to this moment-mora, Your Excellency did not even guess about the presence of this technology (so for information, a highly specialized chip was created there to generate nerve impulses that are absent for technical reasons). Yes, and what kind of breed will you be?
          2. Cruorvult
            Cruorvult April 22 2020 07: 34 New
            +3
            You can read about the "quiet" Mask directly from Guardian
            https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/18/tesla-workers-factory-conditions-elon-musk
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui April 22 2020 07: 39 New
              -7
              You are just a toad stupidly crushing from his activities maskophobe wassat
        2. military_cat
          military_cat April 22 2020 07: 29 New
          -4
          Quote: CruorVult
          What about free internet for the whole world?
          Did someone promise free internet for the whole world? When is that? (Journalists started this ridiculous rumor, but it seemed to me that he had somehow faded away by himself.)
          1. Cruorvult
            Cruorvult April 22 2020 07: 45 New
            +5
            everything is so, "came to naught", about like most other "projects" that are not sponsored by the government. I must admit that there are satellites, although it turned out that the first thing they will be used for military purposes.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat April 22 2020 07: 49 New
              -3
              Not the project came to naught, but the rumor. There is some difference. Nobody ever promised "free internet".
        3. Gileada
          Gileada April 22 2020 07: 43 New
          -8
          1. PowerWall is commercially successful and is in full use both in the USA itself and in many countries of the world. For example, look at Australia, where a 150mW battery based on PowerWall has been completed.
          2. Hyperloop is an experimental and largely sketchy project at an early stage of development.
          3. Musk did not promise free Internet, he promised ACCESSIBLE Internet through a network of Starlink satellites. By the way, 360 satellites have already been launched and another 60 will be launched today, the network will be put into operation this year in the United States, as soon as the number of satellites exceeds 500.
          4. There are so many orders for smart roofs that they do not have time to install and delays between the order and installation can reach two weeks or more. And yes, so far they are much more expensive than usual, like everything new.
          1. Cruorvult
            Cruorvult April 22 2020 09: 15 New
            +4
            "The PowerWall is commercially successful and is used in full force both in the US itself and in many countries around the world. For example, look at Australia, where a 150mgWatt battery based on PowerWall has been completed."

            About Australia, you can write a term paper. The government abandoned classical energy in favor of alternative energy, as a result, the price tag for electricity increased up to 4 times for individuals and even more for legal entities, plus they received a blackout in the absence of wind, which affects 1,7 million people for up to two days.

            And then the "savior" came. Yes, batteries help, only their share reaches 2% of the mains power, plus we have losses during charging / discharging and conversion.

            Australia is just a great example of the illiteracy of the authorities.
            1. Gileada
              Gileada April 22 2020 10: 57 New
              -4
              It was not about whether the government in Australia was competent or not, it was about the PowerWall technology itself and tesla energy. At the moment, this is a commercially successful product that is in demand, and not only in the United States, but also in Europe and abroad. Or do you think that technologies to save energy from Tesla are financially disastrous and have no prospects, and you should continue to burn coal, oil and gas to generate electricity to the glory of global warming?
              1. your1970
                your1970 April 22 2020 22: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Gileada
                At the moment, this is a commercially successful product that is in demand, and not only in the United States, but also in Europe and abroad.

                Of course it successful project for owners - who will argue
                Quote: CruorVult
                As a result, the price tag for electricity rose up to 4 times for individuals and more for legal
        4. ak1978
          ak1978 12 May 2020 18: 46 New
          0
          I would also like to announce the entire cost list for launching the Falcon 9.
    2. viktor_ui
      viktor_ui April 22 2020 06: 26 New
      -2
      First of all, we are prevented from moving forward by people in management who are clearly not in their place ... add to this corruption, the chatter of huge plans and the lack of responsibility for this as an executor "for the market", an obvious absence and lag in technology in terms of mastering a neighbor deep space and, as a result, the growing unwillingness to work with us in these areas, because there is nothing special to offer us in this regard to the international community and this is a FACT. In general, it's already funny to become sales: the struggle between Roscosmos and the private firm of I. Musk ... but about NASA they are already trying not to mention sales. THIS IS A CORROSION of our heritage from the USSR, because wherever people who are not fans of their business or professionals rule, there is JOZHOBA as a result. I. Musk is a fan and generator of ideas for his business and he KNOWS how to organize specialists around him. I sincerely wish us OUR I. Mask ... otherwise it will be so - one step forward and three steps back. My statement, absolutely, does not apply to people who, even in these rotten conditions, launch the remnants of the former cosmic greatness of the USSR into orbit and a little further. I'm still waiting for the fiery launch of our heavy rocket carrier with a big final bang, with the SAS check ... someone once again promised ... looking at a competitor.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass April 22 2020 09: 18 New
      -6
      Lack of mask. The big problem of Russia is that there are no young entrepreneurs in the country who have achieved success on which young people can equal themselves.
  • Sardanapalus
    Sardanapalus April 22 2020 07: 01 New
    +4
    Ilon certainly did the minimum. He created interest and excitement around the Cosmos. Encouraged capital groups to invest in space. It is clear .. that half of his projects for various reasons will not be implemented. He gave a new life, an old idea to all of Humanity. Go fully into space.
    1. smart ass
      smart ass April 22 2020 09: 20 New
      0
      The most important thing is that young Americans look at the mask, take an example, see growth prospects, strive !!!
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 22 2020 07: 01 New
    -1
    Musk is undoubtedly a talented person. He is not only a talented inventor, but also seeks out talents. Organizes them, inspires them with their ideas. Musk is not only flying into space, but also many other projects. The same Tesla electric car, already commonplace in the USA. Although it seems to me so far nothing to do either on the moon or on Mars. What was the lunar program for the United States, billions of dollars and 100 kg of lunar mud. We have billions of rubles scored in this program, destroyed and crippled hundreds of lives. We got 1 kg of sand, that's all. What did it give? But nothing.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 22 2020 07: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      We have billions of rubles scored in this program, destroyed and crippled hundreds of lives
      Hundreds of lives, what are you talking about?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind April 22 2020 07: 46 New
        -1
        In 60, a rocket exploded in Baikonur. Killed from 74 to 130 people, as if no one can say. there were many crippled. Someone breathed fire, someone vapor of all this muck.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 22 2020 08: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Free Wind
          In 60, a rocket exploded in Baikonur

          Well, it's all about a ballistic missile, I thought you tied it to the Soviet Lunar Program.
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 22 2020 08: 23 New
      +8
      He is not only a talented inventor
      Mask never when was not an inventor.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 22 2020 08: 44 New
        14
        Quote: 72jora72
        Musk was never an inventor.

        Dodgy manager with a touch of adventurous activity yes
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 April 22 2020 09: 33 New
          +4
          Dodgy manager with a touch of adventurous activity
          Having unlimited financial support, and unlimited access to inventions.
          1. A.TOR
            A.TOR April 22 2020 14: 38 New
            -1
            Roskosmos also has "unlimited" state food and admission "to all inventions"
    3. your1970
      your1970 April 22 2020 22: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      The same Tesla electric car, already commonplace in the USA.

      Kaneshno ... They released 16 cars and that's all ... it's commonplace ... like ....
      There are 12 cars "Tavria" in the Russian Federation ..... you often see them ???? !!! Or is it "commonplace" according to Mask ???
      1. ak1978
        ak1978 12 May 2020 18: 50 New
        0
        Tesla is quite an expensive car in its niche with a lot of restrictions when buying and even less leasing. What they’re doing in advertising is about $ 45K +. The average cost of a sedan in the States is up to $ 30K. The secondary market is completely incomprehensible. And at current gas prices, he absolutely loses to any engine.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 22 2020 07: 13 New
    +5
    The figure is interesting in all respects.
    In the short term, a mixture of ascetic and charlatan, adventurer.
    In the long term .... we do not yet know how this will all end.
  • indy424
    indy424 April 22 2020 09: 13 New
    0
    really piquant vests. Briand is the head, and the mask is not the head.
  • Disorder
    Disorder April 22 2020 13: 58 New
    +1
    Musk is a swindler, an outstanding but a swindler.
    Let's just think about it.
    The rocket drags with dead weight drags the fuel necessary for landing and landing support. And this is just what immediately catches the eye.
    It remains to be seen how much troubleshooting and preparation for the next launch cost.
    And at the same time, a lower launch cost is claimed. Oh well...
    1. pytar
      pytar April 22 2020 14: 21 New
      +1
      Let's just think about it.

      Why aren't there disposable planes? Dronakh-kamikaze do not consider it L.A. with special presentation. And disposable ships, cars, why no one uses them? They also drag fuel, etc.! A reusable rocket, although probably more expensive, is cheaper to use during operation than a one-time rocket!
      1. Disorder
        Disorder April 23 2020 02: 01 New
        0
        Quote: pytar
        Why aren't there disposable planes? Dronakh-kamikaze do not consider it L.A. with special presentation. And disposable ships, cars, why no one uses them? They also drag fuel, etc.!

        Well why. The same Elon Musk used the electric car as a one-time one, putting it into orbit. wink
        But seriously, the plane, and the ship, and the car are the same as the Dragon spacecraft, only they do not need to be launched into orbit.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 23 2020 09: 04 New
          0
          Well why. The same Elon Musk used the electric car as a one-time one, putting it into orbit. But seriously, the plane, and the ship, and the car are the same as the Dragon spacecraft, only they do not need to be launched into orbit.

          He sent his personal Tesla into space, then he will roll to Mars with her! winked
          But seriously, to the credit of the Mask of creating a working concept of reusable use in the space industry. As a result, access to space has become cheaper, more affordable! Shuttles do not count, they were more expensive than single-use missiles. hi
          1. Disorder
            Disorder April 23 2020 21: 22 New
            0
            Quote: pytar
            But seriously, to the credit of the Mask of creating a working concept of reusable use in the space industry.

            Most likely they dug up the old experimental development of the von Braun times, or stole something from the legacy of the USSR.
            1. ak1978
              ak1978 12 May 2020 18: 53 New
              0
              Yes, he is not a spiral. It's just that kind of "conversion" in the US. Lockheed Martin is a formally independent commercial contractor. Only in essence a state-owned enterprise. So it is more convenient to keep accounting and master budgets. Musk is just a young version. The evidence for this is in the public domain. And think logically - there is a technological gap between Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 that is simply unrealistic to close in a couple of years.
  • Corundum
    Corundum April 22 2020 22: 09 New
    -3
    Another start from I. Mask Falcon 9 (Starlink 6). Who cares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JILHmVO6o_s
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 23 2020 07: 29 New
    +1
    Reusable ships should perform the main task, the serial use of the ship's components. Until I read about it anywhere. And the rest can be attributed to the conversation of two competitors.
  • viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 27 May 2020 11: 54 New
    0
    Today, the launch of the Dragon with the crew - we wish, unconditionally, a full launch.