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Czechoslovakia 1930-1940s: the victim of the occupation or Hitler's ally?

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Wehrmacht tank Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t), manufactured in Czechoslovakia. Photo from Wikipedia


Today, when the monument to the liberator of this city, the Soviet Marshal Ivan Konev, was demolished in Prague, its streets and squares are renamed in defiance of Moscow, and many Czech politicians practice Russophobia, it's time to ask the question: what are we dealing with in this case? Was it only with the ungrateful, who had forgotten how the Red Army, not sparing the lives of their soldiers, saved the country from the Nazi yoke in 1945, or with the descendants of those for whom the Third Reich was not an ally at all?

The question of the participation of Czechs in World War II and World War II is not as simple as it might seem at first glance. Yes, among the about 70 thousand Czechs and Slovaks who were registered as prisoners of war in our country in 1945, the vast majority were still representatives of the second of these nationalities, represented in the Wehrmacht and the SS in much larger numbers. Yes, in the Red Army there was the 1st separate Czechoslovak battalion (in which, however, at the time of the formation of Czechs and Slovaks there were less than half), who later grew into an infantry brigade, and then into the 1st Czechoslovak Corps ... There was Ludwig Freedom and others heroes. However, on the basis of this, of all Czechs, “victims of Nazism” and the USSR’s loyal allies in the anti-Hitler coalition, it’s worth noting, right.

We must start with the fact that if it were not for the most elementary cowardice of Czech politicians and generals, the Nazi attack on our country might not have happened! In any case, in 1941 and with the forces that they had. Having excellent fortified areas in the Sudetenland, according to experts, almost inferior to the famous Maginot line (thousands of forts, tens of thousands of pillboxes capable of withstanding the direct hit of a large-caliber projectile), huge reserves weapons (in the 30s of the twentieth century, Czechoslovakia, according to some estimates, accounted for up to 40% of its world production) and an impressive army, the Czechs simply preferred to lift their paws in front of Hitler. Their only battle against the Wehrmacht, the mention of which can be found in the sources, did not last even half an hour, ending without a single killed on both sides. Do you know what one of the German officers wrote? "To have such opponents is simply disgusting ..."

Didn't Czechs serve the Nazis? Nothing like this. People from this country were highly valued in tank parts of the Wehrmacht, where they were almost the best mechanics and repairmen. However, not only. With the initiative to create a Czech Legion in Hitler's armed forces, the then head of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, Emil Hacha, who was president of Czechoslovakia before the Nazi occupation and, in fact, "handed it over" to the Germans, came out exactly in June 1941 - immediately after the attack on our country. The Teutons refused such an offer - they needed locals for another need, which will be discussed below. Nevertheless, the Czechs, who were particularly eager to fight the "Soviets", found their way to the Eastern Front.

About a thousand former Czech military men made up the backbone of the 37th SS Lutz Cavalry Division (37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division Lützow). At least hundreds more joined the Czech volunteer company SS “Wenceslas” (SS-Freiwillige St. Wenzels-Rotte). Czechs also labored as part of the SS Brisken police regiment, part of the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Bohemia and Moravia (31. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division). There were Czech SS men, just as they were ...

The situation with the Wehrmacht is somewhat more confusing: for obvious reasons after 1945, service in it was hiding in socialist Czechoslovakia as soon as possible. However, according to modern historians, tens of thousands of Nazi soldiers of Czechoslovak origin must be counted. In the Gluchinsky district of the Czech Republic alone, there were at least 12 thousand “veterans” who faithfully served the Nazis and fought on the Eastern Front, in particular, near Stalingrad.

However, the Czechs made the main contribution to the enemy invasion that fell on our Motherland in 1941 not so much while holding weapons in their own hands, as well as regularly putting them into the hands of the invaders who came to our land. This topic is quite worthy of separate coverage, so I will be brief.

The arsenals of Czechoslovakia captured by the Nazis in 1938 gave the Wehrmacht the most serious part of the weapons with which it attacked the USSR. Thousands of artillery pieces, tens of thousands of machine guns, both light and heavy, which were very popular in the German army, millions of small arms ... Nine Wehrmacht infantry divisions were fully armed by Czechoslovakia by 1941! All this fired at our soldiers from the first day of World War II.

About tanks - a separate conversation. By the time of the attack on the USSR, each of those in the German armed forces was Czech-made. By the second stage of the war - almost every third. According to the recollections, the Czechs regularly riveted weapons for the invaders until May 5, 1945. And not only tanks and armored vehicles - cars and planes, ammunition, machine guns and rifles. According to the Germans themselves, for all the time the diligent Czechoslovak workers did not follow “not a single act of sabotage”. Well, do not order the “going to work in black shirts”, which some people in the Czech Republic try to present as “protests against the invaders! ” There were, of course, their heroes in Czechoslovakia, members of the resistance. But in general, the vector is viewed slightly different.

Alas, I have to admit: Czechoslovakia, for the liberation of which almost 140 thousand of our soldiers laid down their heads during the war, was in fact its faithful ally. Agree, after understanding this fact, today's glaring events in Prague look a little different.
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  1. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery April 21 2020 06: 35 New
    +8
    Almost 50% of the weapons of fascist Germany were made in Czechoslovakia.
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. April 21 2020 07: 00 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Almost 50% of the weapons of fascist Germany were made in Czechoslovakia.

      hard workers these Czechs.
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov April 21 2020 07: 36 New
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        They not only worked, they also quite fought on the side of the Wehrmacht. By the way, not only the Wehrmacht, but also the Luftwaffe (Rezhnyak Yan, Kovarik Isidor, etc.) and even the SS.
        In addition, the Czechs fought in the SS forces. At the end of May, 1942 established the “Supervision of Youth Education in Bohemia and Moravia” in the protectorate. The organization took young people aged 10 - 18 years and brought up in the spirit of National Socialism, developed physical culture. Senior members of the "Curator" had the opportunity to enter the service in the special forces of the SS, and the younger - in the "Exemplary Link." In the future, these structures were to become the core of the Bohemian SS.

        In February 1945, the first Czech recruitment took place in the SS Brisken police regiment, which became part of the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Bohemia and Moravia. In the same year, about one thousand former soldiers and commanders of the Czechoslovak cavalry became part of the 37th Volunteer SS Cavalry Division Lutz. At the beginning of May 1945, during the Prague uprising, the SS Volunteer Company "St. Wenceslas" was formed from members of various Czech pro-fascist organizations and fighters of special forces of the SS. Rota joined the German garrison of Prague. Part of the Czech SS, after the defeat of Germany, joined the French Foreign Legion and fought in Indochina.
        So the Czechs are definitely ALLIES of the Third Reich, and not the victims of the occupation.
        1. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer April 21 2020 08: 08 New
          +6
          Of course, allies, the very word protectorate (a form of interstate relations in which one state is protected) removes all questions.
        2. not main
          not main April 22 2020 00: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov (Alexander Suvorov) Today, 07:36 New

          Even those "allies"! And about Hungary? I will not be "sprayed", but back in the early 70s I learned from my grandfather that a medal was cast "for the liberation of Budapest", but after bloody battles the medal was re-coined as "For the capture of Budapest"! Grandfather is a witness! And who doubts, first watch the battles for Voronezh, then Budapest, and for a snack Balaton!
          1. phair
            phair April 23 2020 02: 52 New
            +2
            I doubt the release. For the capture of Budapest I will support. After Voronezh ... Hungarians were worse than Germans. Google it. Czechs on the trans-Siberian identity, mother of the wreck, etc.
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... April 22 2020 11: 44 New
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        All for the good of the European Union! Oh well, a little bit beguiled. III Reich of course! However, that III Reich, that the European Union is not much difference.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 21 2020 07: 05 New
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      Heydrich set up the work of factories for the production of weapons in such a way that England was very concerned about it. They sent commandos to eliminate Heydrich, but they were surrendered by the locals ... It was with difficulty that the people who removed Heydrich were found. But the well-established cycle worked, the factories were producing weapons until May 45. And more than one sabotage at the factories .... Here you have "Zlata Praga, the beautiful Prague, the golden friend of Moscow" ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 21 2020 10: 10 New
        +6
        we didn’t release them, but finished them in the den ..
        1. Deck
          Deck April 21 2020 11: 55 New
          -2
          we did not release them, but finished off in the den.


          If so, then why be surprised that the monument to our marshal was demolished. We are not liberators, but invaders. And the medal "For the liberation of Prague" was then named incorrectly, it was necessary "for the capture." Well, you know better.
          1. novel66
            novel66 April 21 2020 12: 14 New
            +4
            damn, well, after all, none other than Hitler's allies?
            1. Deck
              Deck April 21 2020 12: 19 New
              -2
              So who were we liberating there? Hitler's allies from Hitler? Then it is already necessary to write "defeated Czechoslovakia." And a monument to Konev was erected for intimidation. Is it so?
      2. zenion
        zenion April 21 2020 16: 04 New
        +5
        This same Heydrich wrote a memo to the Fuhrer. Czechs really like our attitude to the Jewish question. Therefore, the housing problem in the Czech Republic was resolved. The book "30 Cases of Major Zeman". When he returned from the concentration camp, where the Czech had sent him, the new owner of his apartment was very surprised - did you return? We hoped you were all destroyed. There is also information that the Czechs hid SS soldiers in the mountains, which were armed. Of course we couldn't catch everyone. It was they who later started the "revolution" and continued to destroy not only the communists, but also the Jews. But it was a secret, they say, normal Czechs did not do this. Who could not buy the book, there is a series, but they did not fully open what was in the book. There is also the book "The Crystal Jug" written by her counterintelligence officer of Czechoslovakia, who knew everything about how the Czech leadership surrendered the country to Hitler at the direction of England. They needed weapons to attack the USSR.
      3. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 12 May 2020 05: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        but they were handed over by locals ...

        Moreover, one of the performers passed his own father.

        The day before the occupation of Prague in 1939, the German military attaché made the following report: "All our provocations are in vain, because the Czechs simply do not allow themselves to be provoked. When we send our people out into the street to shout" Heil Hitler ", the Czechs shout with them. we make our people shout “Down with the republic!” - the Czechs shout with them, and when we tell our people that they should sing “Horst Wessel” on the streets, then the Czechs sing with them.With all our desire, we cannot with such behavior Czechs provoke not the slightest incident. " ... they gave us all their weapons ... we got wonderful heavy artillery. And the aviation is good. At first we could not even believe ourselves that not a single cannon, not a single machine gun was out of action. Not a single ammunition depot was blown up, not a single tank was emptied - everything was handed over in perfect order. ... At the same time, only one or two officers refused to give us a hand. All the others were crawling on their bellies. It's just disgusting to have such opponents. "
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 21 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Almost 50% of the weapons of fascist Germany were made in Czechoslovakia.

      A. Petrov:
      . Czech hands collected a quarter of all tanks, 26 percent of trucks and 40 percent of small arms of the German army.

      worked for Hitler 857 factories Czechoslovakia. on which hundreds of thousands of workers worked!

      and they worked on the orders of Germany, sand money . not at gunpoint.

      And they worked like that. that you deserve a sincere Hitler's official thanks for labor feat.

      what is it worth the best lightweight self-propelled gun WWII Hetzer. worked out by Czechs without any order at all. at ....Initiative!
      these plants bombed well, but the Czechs heroically restored production in the shortest possible time.

      The author has not mentioned that Slovakia officially fought against us went to the Caucasus!

      The question is simple: WHY all this abomination shall we know now, and not May 1945-50?

      Why did they paint a picture of the proletarian solidarity of Czech hard workers with Soviet brothers in the class, where the unfortunate Czechs were driven to the machines almost at gunpoint, where they were, "suffering unbearably" .... year after year, as it turned out, increased output their deadly products?

      The same situation with other "brothers" in the socialist camp - Poles, Romanians, Hungarians: they forgiven EVERYTHING, they forgot EVERYTHING. fed and .... it turned out that with OWN hands, they became the culprits of their "occupation and WWII. Wildness! A gross mistake!"

      They up Today would have to live in a BLACK body and work out their CRIMES against us, because their crimes areunheard of in history

      Today it’s too late to tell the truth (it is necessary, of course), - road spoon for dinner.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 April 21 2020 08: 06 New
        +4
        Why so many emotions. They already will not help.
        1. Valery Valery
          Valery Valery April 21 2020 08: 21 New
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          Quote: Deniska999
          Why so many emotions. They already will not help.

          They are still helping the Reich as soon as they can - demolishing the monuments of the victors over fascism.
          1. anjey
            anjey April 21 2020 09: 06 New
            +2
            It would be called in Soviet times- Revanchism..
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 21 2020 09: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Deniska999
          Why so many emotions. They already will not help.

          Facts and Estimates and no emotions.

          "help / no" - look at the number of minuses on them - these minusers are AGAIN ready to understand, forgive and shoulder these "friends".

          So that they can spit again ...
          1. Deniska999
            Deniska999 April 21 2020 11: 39 New
            -1
            Yes, and so we now shouldered. Syria, Venezuela, obscure gestures in Libya and Africa, parting debts to everyone and everything.
        3. Looking for
          Looking for April 21 2020 14: 42 New
          0
          but they will warn similar mistakes in the future.
      2. AK1972
        AK1972 April 21 2020 14: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        It's too late today to tell the truth

        It’s never too late to tell the truth, and it is absolutely necessary.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 21 2020 15: 25 New
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          Quote: AK1972
          It’s never too late to tell the truth, and it is absolutely necessary.

          All right!

          But in 1945 it was more relevant. In order not to make mistakes.
          IMHO
      3. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... April 22 2020 11: 51 New
        +2
        The USSR had the wrong policy. It was necessary to oblige everyone and everyone who participated in the eastern campaign to be obliged to participate in the restoration of the USSR, and to obligate the military departments to pay a single percentage of military expenses. And then 10 years have passed since the war and eastern Europe healed better than the USSR. Wrong done.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 22 2020 12: 23 New
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          Quote: Cyril G ...
          The USSR had the wrong policy. It was necessary to denacification of everyone and everyone involved in the eastern campaign obligate to participate in the restoration of the USSR, and for military expenses of the internal affairs bodies to oblige to pay a single percentage. And then 10 years have passed since the war and eastern Europe healed better than the USSR. Wrong done.

          exactly!

          and to REMEMBER, REPENT, AND PAY, until now, for their deeds
      4. barium
        barium 28 May 2020 21: 41 New
        0
        CORRECTLY SPEAKED BY THE RUSSIAN KING _ RUSSIA ONLY TWO ALLIES _ THE ARMY AND THE Navy !!!!!!!!! it is a pity that these words were not remembered in the USSR ....
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel April 21 2020 07: 55 New
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      After 75 years after the Second World War, it is time to understand that the "occupation" of Europe by Germany was perceived and perceived in Europe not as an occupation, but as a simple change in management: earlier Vichy, Pilsudski, Hakha, etc. ruled, and now the Germans began to rule. At the same time, in Europe itself, nothing has changed: how they worked, they work, how they received a salary, they get it, spend the weekend in nature, walk around Paris, etc. Some tightening of the regime, so this is the fight against communists and Jews, we are not communists and not Jews, and there is nothing to be afraid of us. With this in mind, the liberation of Europe by the Red Army was perceived and is perceived as an occupation, as a change in the usual way of life, as a time when everything collapsed: there is no work, no home, nothing, and the Russians have deprived us of all this ... Here, for example, is the reasoning some Czech: before the arrival of the Russians under the Germans, I worked at a factory, built tanks, produced machine guns, guns, I had a house, a farm, I was a normal person. The Russians came, the factories were destroyed, I lost my job and my livelihood ... I and my family were deprived of everything ... Therefore, there is nothing to be surprised when in the West everywhere the time after the war is perceived as the occupation of the country by the Soviets and Communists ... Hence, the war with monuments - this is their life, this, finally, is what they can do after the occupation of the country by the Soviets, giving the advice for humiliation. An insignificant part of the population, who understands the true cost of liberating Europe from fascism, has neither the power, nor the strength, nor the means to resist the general barbarism.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 21 2020 08: 25 New
        +8
        Quote: The Truth
        used to rule Vichy

        I couldn’t control Vichy from the word at all, it was and still is, a French city in which On July 10, 1940, the National Assembly convened, deciding to transfer dictatorial power to Marshal Henri Philippe Pétain; this marked the end of the Third Republic. The Petain government continued to remain in Vichy, while the northern part of France and Paris was occupied by German troops.
      2. Say Tooth
        Say Tooth April 21 2020 12: 11 New
        +1
        I agree with this train of thought, a logical argument. It follows that there is nothing to be offended and angry, it is their country and, to put it mildly, they do not really like us there. Well, okay, let's look at the world and see it for what it is. PS By the way, Vichy is not a person, it is the capital of the French puppet state.
      3. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich April 21 2020 15: 41 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        The "occupation" of Europe by Germany was perceived and is perceived in Europe not as an occupation, but as a simple change of government: earlier Vichy, Pilsudski, Hakha, etc. ruled, and now the Germans began to rule. At the same time, in Europe itself, nothing has changed: how they worked, they work, how they received a salary, they get it, spend the weekend in nature, walk around Paris, etc.

        And for what reason did the same Czechs arrange death marches for the Germans in 1945? OWN, Czech Germans?
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 21 2020 21: 54 New
        +1
        The Russians came, they destroyed the factories, I lost my job and livelihood ... I and my family were deprived of everything ...

        What plants did they destroy? Chezet? I remember there was such a motorcycle in the old, 60-70 years.
      5. boris epstein
        boris epstein April 22 2020 09: 17 New
        0
        The USSR bought from Czechoslovakia shunting diesel locomotives (we produced them ourselves), telephone exchanges, telephone and telegraph sets, Tatra trucks (we produced them ourselves), footwear from Bati, clothes ... Within the CMEA framework, to support their industry ... Until 1954, Czechoslovakia continued to produce "Panthers" and "Messers 262" for their army. Then the USSR gave them a license to manufacture the T-55 (they supplied it with a hydraulic transmission), AK, BTR-60 (they modernized it). And all this was produced at "destroyed" factories. They would have such devastation as in the USSR, I would have looked at them.
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 April 22 2020 12: 33 New
          0
          A Kalashnikov assault rifle was not produced in Czechoslovakia.
    5. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer April 21 2020 08: 01 New
      +2
      Where do these numbers come from?
      They themselves do not bother you?
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 21 2020 10: 49 New
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      Quote: Valery Valery
      Almost 50% of the weapons of fascist Germany were made in Czechoslovakia.

      Of these, one third of the tanks.
    7. snerg7520
      snerg7520 April 22 2020 08: 02 New
      +1
      Tin!
      Some "we are not comrades" of the liberal confession together with "non-brothers" clumsily try to stubbornly deny the historical fact: the Czechs are not just Hitler's allies - the Czechs are direct participants in Hitler's crimes, for which they were not responsible only thanks to the Soviet Union, Stalin and the communists !!!
      And who paid for the good (more precisely, for the life and property that he saved) to both Stalin, the Soviet Union, and Russia with blackish ingratitude.
      Nevertheless, they are still trying to confuse the people and divert the discussion from not just the allied relations of the Czechs with Adik, more precisely, the 100% integration of the Czechs into Nazi Germany with all rights and obligations and, accordingly, obliged to bear the same responsibility for the crimes of the Nazi Germany as Germans, to the mythical sins of the Soviet Union, which exist only in their sore and sick imagination.
      The Gulag is not just crying for them, but crying with bitter tears ...
    8. IC
      IC April 27 2020 01: 04 New
      -1
      Any documents or links to sources? If not, then this is a fantasy of a not entirely adequate person.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 21 2020 06: 38 New
    +4
    Agree, after understanding this fact, today's glaring events in Prague look a little different.
    They always look like that if you know the story. repeat"Countries" that do not have statehood cannot have independence and prospects in the future. Czechoslovakia has been torn to pieces 2 times in 50 years.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 21 2020 10: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      They always look like that if you know the story.

      They were always Germans, only after WWII they became limitrophs, but the Germans remained.
  3. avia12005
    avia12005 April 21 2020 06: 41 New
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    It is time to forget about "socialist solidarity" and treat Hitler's allies as his allies.
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 21 2020 06: 53 New
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      Yes, exactly so. I agree with you on this.
    2. apro
      apro April 21 2020 06: 55 New
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      Quote: avia12005
      It's time to forget about "socialist solidarity"

      Exactly if the Russians themselves were the first to abandon this socialist solidarity.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 21 2020 10: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: avia12005
      It is time to forget about "socialist solidarity" and treat Hitler's allies as his allies.
      So Austria did not become a member of the Warsaw Pact. So what's the point if its former members, supposedly “faithful allies” of the USSR, immediately rushed to NATO, just “jumping out of their pants”? With such "Friends" and no enemies are needed ...
      But the Austrians, though not hypocritical, assuring Moscow of "invariably friendly relations," but when the USSR collapsed due to the clique of traitors who came to power, they did not "poke a knife in the back" of weakened Russia. 
      True, Vienna allowed itself some kind of cooperation in supposedly "peacekeeping" missions with NATO, but no more. And in order to completely surrender to this anti-Russian bloc (and even with lackeys and lackeys and the same anti-Russian aggression of the various former “Slav brothers” there), this did not happen, and is not expected in the foreseeable future.
  4. apro
    apro April 21 2020 06: 44 New
    -2
    And? Well, the author wrote ... and the facts took place. And then what? Does Russia have tools to somehow influence the Czechs? Even when you're right. Realizing your case is not so simple. And on the other hand, what does Russia want from the Czech Republic today? The Czech Republic fit perfectly into the modern Western system. And is a part of it. So the Czechs have enough resources to bend their line towards Russia.
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 April 21 2020 06: 57 New
      +8
      There would be a desire, but there are ways. For the demolition of the monument to Konev, lower the status of representation, instead of the Ambassador, the Chargé d'Affaires. Tighten the rules for the departure of Russian citizens to the Czech Republic. Introduce economic sanctions. In fact, a lot of leverage, but only some of the State Duma deputies and members of the Russian government probably have real estate in the Czech Republic. By the way, Slovaks generally committed atrocities on the territory of the USSR no worse than Hungarians.
      1. haron
        haron April 21 2020 07: 05 New
        +3
        It was the Czechs who opposed the transfer of the monument for more than two years, it was they who carried flowers there and stood with pickets. At the same time, the Russian embassy, ​​which is located a couple of meters from the monument, was limited to stitching with a mustache and no more. You yourself forgot what our ancestors did in the Czech Republic and look for the guilty anywhere but not at home.
        1. Barmaleyka
          Barmaleyka April 21 2020 07: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: haron
          You yourself forgot what our ancestors did in the Czech Republic

          and what did our ancestors do in the Czech Republic ?!
          1. Procyon lotor
            Procyon lotor April 21 2020 08: 42 New
            -17
            1968 for example
            1. Barmaleyka
              Barmaleyka April 21 2020 09: 00 New
              +5
              what is 68 ?!
              this?
              The best communist is a dead communist, and if he is still alive, he should pull his legs out.

              or that?
              demands were put forward: to dissolve collective farms and cooperatives, to distribute land to peasants, to hold elections under the control of England, the USA, Italy and France, to stop criticizing the Western states in the press, and to concentrate it on the USSR, to allow the legal activities of political parties that existed in bourgeois Czechoslovakia, to join in 1968 "Transcarpathian Rus" to Czechoslovakia. The appeal ended with the appeal: "Death of the Communist Party!"
              1. Procyon lotor
                Procyon lotor April 21 2020 10: 16 New
                -12
                And is that all you know about 1968? If so, then I sympathize with you.
                1. Barmaleyka
                  Barmaleyka April 21 2020 10: 25 New
                  +2
                  I know one thing - THE INTERESTS OF MY STATE
              2. vladcub
                vladcub April 21 2020 10: 43 New
                0
                And convinced Stalinists: Miyala and Hegedis did not know this? Or did they just pretend to be like that?
                Remember 13.04 "Communists of Eastern Europe." Chichkin and Vasiliev drew us such beliefs of the Stalinists
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ April 21 2020 21: 57 New
              0
              Do you want Hungary 1956?
        2. IC
          IC April 22 2020 01: 55 New
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          Near the monument is the embassy of Ukraine. Russian is much further.
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 08: 23 New
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        avia12005 (Yuri)
        There would be a desire, but there are ways. For the demolition of the monument to Konev, lower the status of representation, instead of the Ambassador, the Chargé d'Affaires. Tighten the rules for the departure of Russian citizens to the Czech Republic. Introduce economic sanctions. In fact, a lot of leverage, but only some of the State Duma deputies and members of the Russian government probably have real estate in the Czech Republic. By the way, Slovaks generally committed atrocities on the territory of the USSR no worse than Hungarians.
        Excuse me, what right do we have to impose such sanctions against the Czech Republic? To introduce such sanctions, we must first transplant all our ruling "ilita", because it is she who is ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of denigrating the feat of our ancestors in the Second World War.
        Who makes anti-Soviet films, is it really the Czechs? Who hangs Mannerheim memorial plaques? Who in every possible way pours mud at the achievements of the USSR and personally Comrade Stalin?
        There is nothing for us to blame on Czechs, Poles, horses, tribalts and others, WE are to blame! Yes, yes, it was we, and no one else, who launched this attack on our own past. Enumerate the govnoshedrovy about WWII recently removed places in the commentary is not enough. Our guarantor goes out of his way, trying to convince us of the archaeological necessity of amendments to the Constitution. There is advertising on all channels, for which we need this or that amendment. I just want to ask the authors of these videos, are you all full fool fool fool hold or yourself not a distant mind? Blah blah blah ... the amendment banning officials to have foreign citizenship is very important for officials to work for Russia and not for another country ... HA-HA-HA dropped the pad, and nobody wants to ban foreign citizenship for families of officials? What kind of idiocy? Amendment on the protection of memory ... so stop filming a movie about drunken commissars, special animals, detachments and sekas in the war! Enough of this vomiting, I'm sick of it.
        So the Czechs are absolutely on the side here, you need to start with your loved ones, the rest will stretch, especially if you put a good fist under your nose. Only at first this fist should be washed from anti-Soviet snot.
      3. phair
        phair April 23 2020 03: 00 New
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        I have not heard. Give a link, it is impossible so that there is no more!
      4. Siberian54
        Siberian54 22 June 2020 08: 53 New
        +1
        Just add a tax, deduction or something else (underline) to travel agencies working in the Czech direction, after the next extension of EU sanctions, add something purely for them. The possibilities are sea! The wishes of the government and the Duma are zero.
    2. jovanni
      jovanni April 21 2020 07: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: apro
      And? Well, the author wrote ... and the facts took place. And then what? Does Russia have tools to somehow influence the Czechs?

      No, how are you going to influence them? Russia does not have such instruments to voluntarily. Rather, it is possible to influence some of our citizens, who believe that now we are surrounded by hostile countries (allegedly through the fault of a "wrong" policy "towards them), and once they are shoulder to shoulder, not sparing themselves and their blood, day and fought the night with a common enemy ... And so on, and so on ... Not a fig. We didn’t fight. Therefore, this rubbish about "proletarian solidarity" and friendship is useful to sweep out of some heads. And this article is to help that ...
      1. apro
        apro April 21 2020 08: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: Jovanni
        Therefore, it is useful to sweep this rubbish about "proletarian solidarity" and friendship out of some heads.

        And what does the USSR still exist? There is no redness for a long time. The system is different. And it uses Soviet developments where it is necessary and not necessary ...
      2. vladcub
        vladcub April 21 2020 11: 39 New
        +1
        Regarding the "Proletarian Solidarity", there is a double-edged sword: 70% existed in the inflamed minds of some comrades such as Trotsky, Dimitrov, Kuseinin and other "gang of loafers" (I. Stalin). One side, and now the other: the so-called "" "international brigades" in Spain, they really existed .. Such as Fucek also existed, various anti-fascist organizations also existed .. Where more, where less, but the anti-fascist existed.
  5. haron
    haron April 21 2020 06: 55 New
    -6
    Author! Why this article? What do you want to tell her people? That ALL Czechs are not grateful, or that they owe you something. What did the Czech Republic do with the weapons that killed our ancestors? But it’s not a weapon that kills. What is the point of this article? That the Czechs did not fight like the Poles? But you also don’t like Poles and blame all sins. What do you lack to live in peace and not look for the guilty ?!
    In my opinion, this article is clearly aimed at inciting historical myopia and hatred.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 April 21 2020 07: 09 New
      14
      The fact is that almost the whole of Europe since Hitler came to power has been on the side of the Third Reich. Including those whom we are considered to be victims of Hitler’s occupation. That is why they are felling monuments to our soldiers. This is a continuation of that war against us.
      1. haron
        haron April 21 2020 07: 17 New
        -1
        Quote: Pavel73
        That's why they are felling monuments to our soldiers.

        You understand, I live in Prague, and I communicate a little with both sides of the conflict. Both of them, because this is not the decision of all Czechs, but only parts of the young pro-Western elite. They don’t give a damn about what happened during World War II, they just don’t like the presence in the center of Prague of a monument to the military commander of another country. I do not think this is right, but I see how they relate to our graves on the alder or the monuments to our soldiers in the center of other cities. Let the author find willpower and try to write about those monuments that now stand in other places and cities of the Czech Republic, and compare their condition with those that are in small towns of the former USSR. Enough of him?
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 April 21 2020 08: 17 New
          +8
          In other places in the Czech Republic, it will be their turn. The main thing is to start. This is not the point that Konev was hanged. The point is to purposefully erase the memory of the war and turn history upside down. The Poles are already claiming that the USSR is as much an enemy as the Third Reich. Four tankers on the T-34 were somehow forgotten. A little more, and the Third Reich will become a friend. "If we forget the war, the war will come again!" - have you heard this song? All this is being done for the sake of a new war. They don't seem to realize it. Even the ones that are good.
        2. Octopus
          Octopus April 21 2020 09: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: haron
          both, because this is not a decision of all Czechs, but only parts of the young pro-Western elite

          As far as I know, this is a decision of a particular municipality. And it seems like not the first of the Prague municipalities where such a question was raised, and it seems like without much debate.
        3. Moskovit
          Moskovit April 21 2020 10: 04 New
          +2
          Yes, normally there are monuments to fallen soldiers in small towns and villages. Now they have taken up this. What do you live in 90s.
          I myself have been to the Czech Republic several times, talked a lot with our people living there and with the Czechs. Despite the scary eyes of the guides, "just don't talk to them about '68!" 99.9% of them consider those events an occupation and nothing can be done about it. And to be honest, I don’t understand the petty trash that the municipal authorities of Prague are happy with, because Czechs treat Russians normally, and if you are a tourist, then generally a dear friend.
          The Russian authorities will never aggravate relations with the Czech Republic, because this is an important channel for Russian money to enter Europe. Sberbank branches there are almost like ours. I think in other sectors of Russian money is not enough. Yes, and a huge amount of real estate. In Karlovy Vary, entire neighborhoods were bought out by oligarchs.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 April 21 2020 10: 29 New
            +2
            These petty tricks are a continuation of the war against Russia.
    2. Graz
      Graz April 21 2020 07: 17 New
      +8
      an article for future generations, so that they would know and remember, do not do good, do not get evil, Czechoslovakia should have been hung up with indemnities, so that they wouldn’t pay for 50 years after the war, because they killed millions of Soviet citizens with their weapons, they did shit to us back in their civilian corps and the export of Kolchak's gold to their homeland, which is why they raised the remnants of the Austro-Hungarian industry to one of the leading places in the world before the Second World War.
      No more salvation of these nonsense at a Russian expense in the future
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 21 2020 08: 37 New
      -4
      So the author also cunningly served in sauce:
      - The fact that there was the first Czechoslovak corps is a trifle, and a separate company of the SS is yes!
      Well, the fact that they produced equipment and weapons ... A fact from which you can’t get anywhere and they recognized it. Only does not kill weapons. And the wars are not unleashed by uniforms, but most often by high-quality suits made of expensive tweed. So now, all cloth factories accused of militarism?
    4. vladcub
      vladcub April 21 2020 11: 45 New
      -1
      To you + everything is true: the author listens too much to colors. If you directly follow his logic, you can reach such savagery that Mom Do not Cry
  6. bandabas
    bandabas April 21 2020 06: 58 New
    +4
    My grandfather ended the war in Czechoslovakia. After the official surrender of Germany.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik April 21 2020 07: 10 New
    +3
    Most Czechs, for 30 years, have perfectly erased their historical memory ... DAM during the years of his reign announced de-Stalinization, read desovetization, and it does not go so fast, but it does ...
    1. Nikolai Miracles
      Nikolai Miracles April 21 2020 08: 11 New
      +1
      Not for 30 years, but for 52 years.
  8. Catfish
    Catfish April 21 2020 07: 12 New
    +9
    That's right, the Czechs worked tirelessly and forged weapons for the Nazis, and the protector of Bohemia and Moravia, SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, set them all the conditions for creative work for the benefit of the Reich.
    Here are some of the small arms produced by the Czechs at that time.
    Machine gun ZB-26

    Machine gun ZB-53 / Vz. 37

    Czechoslovak Replica of the German Mauser 98AZ - Carbine Czech Mauser VZ-24

    Pistol ČZ vz. 27 cal. 7,65 mm.

    All these weapons were supplied to Germany throughout the war. And this is far from a complete list.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov April 21 2020 08: 40 New
      +7
      These are the little things compared to this:



      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku April 21 2020 09: 37 New
        +3
        These are little things compared to this.

        But is the last modification of the PZ II (third photo) - made in Czechoslovakia? hi
        "Hetzer" is a very successful car.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov April 21 2020 09: 49 New
          +3
          Pane Kohanku (Pane Kohanku)
          But is the last modification of the PZ II (third photo) - made in Czechoslovakia?
          I apologize hi hooked on with a trailer. Only it is not
          latest modification PZ II
          , and Pz.Kpfw.I Ausf.C VK601, to be exact.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku April 21 2020 09: 56 New
            +3
            Pz.Kpfw.I Ausf.C VK601, to be exact.

            Wow, I didn’t know about this car! soldier I apologize also - at first I took the Pz II Ausf for the location of the rollers. L "Luchs", ignoring the weapons! hi
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 10: 14 New
              +5
              If you already started talking about technology, then there was also such a machine
              The Sturmpanzer 38 (t) is a German self-propelled artillery class of self-propelled howitzers of the Second World War class on the chassis of the Czechoslovak light tank PzKpfw 38 (t), with a 150-mm sIG 33 infantry gun.

              P.S. I don’t know how it is now (I’ve already abandoned it for about 7 years), but at one time this machine was very popular with WoT fans.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku April 21 2020 10: 22 New
                +4
                on the chassis of the Czechoslovak light tank PzKpfw 38 (t)

                Czechs came up with a good chassis. And the successful regimental weapon is the Germans. More than that, EMNIP, not a single army of the Second World War period had such weapons in the infantry regiment. hi Ours in the 30s took the same weapon into service, but was limited to a small batch.
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 10: 30 New
                  +5
                  There was such a miracle of judo
                  Marder III - was a lightly armored self-propelled guns on the chassis of the light tank Pz Kpfw 38 (t). The gun was mounted in an open wheelhouse. These machines were actively used on all fronts of World War II. Most of them were used on the Eastern Front.
                  And there was also a Czech cannon based on the Panzerkampfwagen I Ausf. B
                  Panzerjäger I (German Panzerjäger I or the full official name 4.7 cm Pak (t) Sfl auf Pz.Kpfw.I Ausf.B) is a German anti-tank self-propelled gun. Created on the basis of the Panzerkampfwagen I Ausf tank. B and armed with the captured 47mm Czechoslovak anti-tank gun PaK. 36 (t) L / 43.4 (Skoda 47mm A-5 PUV vz. 36). It is the first serial anti-tank self-propelled guns produced by Germany during the Second World War.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 21 2020 10: 18 New
        10
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        These are the little things compared to this:

        They forgot about this:

        The main contractor for the licensed production of Fw-189 aircraft was Aero from Prague-Vysočan, subcontractors were Letov and the aviation division of ČKD-Prague. The Letov company from Prague-Letnana produced tail beams and tail units for scouts. ČKD-Praha from Prague-Karlin - wing center wing, ailerons, flaps, traction control wing thrusts. Aero company manufactured all the other main structural and technological sections of the aircraft, was responsible for the final assembly and flight tests of the finished product.
        The plant was located in the industrial zone of the Vysocany residential area and did not have its own airfield. From the very beginning of its existence, Aero used Prague-Kbely airport, which was both a civilian and military airfield. The aircraft manufactured at the factory were delivered unassembled by road along the winding streets of Prague.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 10: 33 New
          +4
          Alexey RA (Alexey)
          They forgot about this:
          Yes, this is still the same beast. Grandfather told me, if "Rama" appeared, soon expect trouble. Because of this filth, he was wounded by shrapnel in the head when crossing the Seversky Donets near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky in early 1943. Then I kept these fragments, I still remember them.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub April 21 2020 16: 31 New
            +1
            Varyag, I met with the front-line soldiers and they said that the advanced "frame" was called "crutch", "Sergeant Major" and there was a bitter joke: "the crutch is worse than the foreman: he will see everything
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 16: 36 New
              +2
              vladcub (Svyatoslav)
              Varyag, I met with the front-line soldiers and they said that the advanced "frame" was called "crutch"
              I don’t know who you met, my grandfather always called her “frame”, and in Soviet films she was called “frame”, and there the front-line soldiers shot films and they had consultants, God forbid.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub April 22 2020 14: 57 New
                0
                You are right, the common name is "frame", but there were other names as well. The first time: I met a "crutch" at Polevoy: "Hang about a real person", perhaps Simonov also mentions a joke, and I heard a joke from my cousin, a Marine, a participant in the defense of Sevastopol. I heard later, but in a slightly different version: "The foreman will see everything"? In my opinion they were all from the Southern Front
              2. vladcub
                vladcub April 22 2020 15: 05 New
                0
                "war veterans filmed films" You are right: the best films about the Second World War were filmed by participants or eyewitnesses of those events: "Hot Snow", "Only Old Men Go to Battle", "Soldier's Father", "Liberation" (my favorite film about the war)
            2. strannik1985
              strannik1985 April 21 2020 16: 54 New
              +5
              Varangian

              Crutch-Henschel Hs 126, Rama-Fokke-Wulf Fw 189 Uhu
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 21 2020 22: 08 New
          +1
          Czechs and Me-262 were released. I read recollections of how, in the 45th, one such 262 regularly began to storm the columns of our troops, because of speed they could not do anything with it. Had a habit of making a circle over a broken column (photocontrol?). I had to ambush the entire La-7 squadron into the clouds in ambush, with a circle of honor he was well piled up, rushed to flee, almost escaped, but the pilot was wounded and died after an emergency landing.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub April 21 2020 16: 20 New
      +1
      Konstantin, good day. From harm: Wehrmacht used a gun: Yurik, MAS-35, VIS-35 (production: France, Poland)
      They had 7000 SVT rifles, there were PPS, even the SS division was equipped with them. But this does not mean that the Soviet Union supplied weapons to the Reich
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx April 21 2020 18: 37 New
        +1
        7000 SVT rifles

        Well, here you exaggerate!
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 22 2020 14: 07 New
          0
          Read the Kremlin
          1. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx April 22 2020 18: 56 New
            +1
            Read the Kremlin

            For me, Bolotin D.N. more credibility.
            Where did 7 rifles come from?
            According to pre-war plans, in 1941 it was supposed to produce 1,8 million SVT, in 1942 - 2 million [23] By the start of the war, more than 1 million light weapons units were manufactured, and many units and formations of the first line, mainly in the western military districts, received a regular number of self-loading rifles. In 1942, their production amounted to only 264 thousand (and 14,2 thousand sniper rifles). Production was discontinued by order of T-bills in 1945.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 23 2020 14: 48 New
              0
              In this case, the Kremlin invented everything and Stalin and Beria byaki? And the case when just before the war 100 rounds of machine guns for the ShKAS machine gun had to be scrapped. Is this also an invention?
              1. Vikxnumx
                Vikxnumx April 23 2020 18: 41 New
                0
                Svyatoslav, please see how many TOTAL Mosin rifles (91) and Mauser (98) with all modifications have been made!
                And years of production! And you think that the backward industry of the USSR was able to produce ten million rifles in three years ???
                The production of SVT-40 is an order of magnitude more laborious procedure in relation to the Mosin rifle, carbines based on it, etc.
                Where does the machine clock come from ??? Remember arithmetic.
              2. Vikxnumx
                Vikxnumx April 23 2020 18: 47 New
                0
                100 cartridges for the ShKAS machine gun, had to be sent to the scrap. Is this also a fiction?

                In zinc cartridges 7,62x54R EMNIP only 580 rounds.
                In a box a pair of zinc, let 1 rounds.
                ShKAS cartridges - separate position, special sleeve, etc. ...
                One hundred boxes of cartridges of marriage !!! "Yes, count them!" (from)
                Look at the IL-2 and Yak-1 ammunition for ShKAS machine guns.
                This volume - .... but what is there to talk about ...
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 31 May 2020 15: 47 New
                  0
                  About such a number of defective cartridges were mentioned by Yakovlev, Voronov, and it seems from Drabkin, something flickered on this subject
              3. barium
                barium 28 May 2020 22: 31 New
                +1
                front-line soldiers told - we open zinc, there instead of cartridges nails lie ......
      2. Catfish
        Catfish April 21 2020 19: 02 New
        +3
        Hi Svyatoslav.
        We are talking about different things. It is one thing when hundreds of thousands of people and weapons depots are captured because of the lack of talent of the command. It’s a completely different matter when for several years people quite consciously go to work, do it and get paid for it.
        By the way, the Yurik pistol, what kind of animal is this? belay
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 22 2020 14: 29 New
          +1
          Konstantin, hello
          1) I wrote about the "Yurik" pistol, and the auto editor put in "Yurik". It is natural that you do not know him
          2) "when due to mediocrity in command" or worse: because of betrayal.
          THE WHOLE mobilization reserve of rifles was on the territory of the Western Military District near the state border. The Germans knew very well where and what warehouses, and you won’t read such information in the newspaper.
          Do you remember how under Peter 1 they said "stupidity is worse than theft"? Read the Kremlin, there are many interesting things. When I read it I thought, where is the line between stupidity and deliberate betrayal?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 22 2020 17: 49 New
            +1
            When I read, I thought, where is the verge of stupidity and conscious betrayal?

            And as we have said since ancient times, "simplicity is worse than theft," so it seems, as far as I remember.
            About “Yurik” I didn’t understand.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub April 23 2020 14: 52 New
              +1
              French pistol "Unique", and the editor corrected it in "Yurik"
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 23 2020 23: 36 New
                +2
                Everything, it dawned on me, finally remembered. I have always met his name only in Latin.
      3. hohol95
        hohol95 April 21 2020 23: 28 New
        0
        They had 7000 SVT rifles, there were PPS, even the SS division was equipped with them. But this does not mean that the Soviet Union supplied weapons to the Reich

        No. Does not mean!
        Refer to WikiWiki
        VIS.35 - a self-loading pistol designed by Peter Villeneuvitsch and Jan Skszypinsky, adopted by the Polish army in 1935.
        After the occupation of Poland, the release of ViS-35 was continued, the pistols entered service with the German army, navy, some units of the SS troops and police units. In total, 385 thousand VIS pistols entered service with the German formations (this number includes both Polish pre-war pistols and wartime pistols issued in the "general government").
        In total, Fabryka Broni Radom arms factory in Radom produced 31 thousand ViS-35s, another 310 thousand under the name P-35 (p) were produced during the occupation under the control of Steyr; in addition, a number of pistols in parts were taken out of the factory by participants in the Resistance movement. Production of ViS-35 ceased after in 1944 the plant in Radom was destroyed by air raids [4]. However, a few more pistols were assembled until April 1945 at the Steyr factory in Austria.

        It turns out ViS-35 were received not only in the form of trophies, but also in the form of weapons received by reservation! And this pistol was produced by the Poles for the Germans!
        The French Modèle 1935 (MAC-35) had the same history. The plant worked for the Germans and supplied them with about 23 thousand pistols under the marking of Pistole 625 (f).
        And there is a very big difference between the captured SVT and the custom-made ViS-35 and Pistole 625 (f) !!!
        1. vladcub
          vladcub April 22 2020 10: 06 New
          0
          You did not carefully read my comment?
          "made to order" and arms factories: Poland, Czechoslovakia, France were at the mercy of the Fuhrer and naturally they did not stop production.
          Serbia also produced weapons for the benefit of the Reich
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 April 22 2020 12: 28 New
            0
            Apparently I did not understand your comment with the mention of trophies! hi
            So he pointed to some aspects of the economy of the occupied countries!
            You need to look for information about Serbia.
  9. knn54
    knn54 April 21 2020 07: 26 New
    +3
    Today Prague has become a nest of the so-called Russian opposition. Cheaper than London.
    But they do not accept it empty-handed. The money of Russian "patriots" works for the Czech economy. Well, a lot falls to the officials.
    "Wherever you spit, then a political immigrant. If you are not an immigrant, you want to spit."
    Czech weapons were also "spotted" in Palestine, when the Nazis began to supply the Zionists to fight the British. Then the Mossad caught those involved as war criminals, so as not to let slip.
    1. really
      really April 21 2020 08: 38 New
      -2
      If you write, check with such stars. Weapons from Czechoslovakia in Israel appeared in 48 during the war for Independence. And those involved in Czechoslovakia were then imprisoned and some were executed by order from the Kremlin.
  10. Amateur
    Amateur April 21 2020 07: 43 New
    -1
    At the final stage of World War II, the assembly of Messerschmitt Bf.109G-6 and Bf.109G-14 fighters, as well as the two-seat training Bf.109G-12 from components, was arranged at the Avia factory in Prague-Čakovice for the needs of the German Air Force supplied by German factories. Under the name Avia S-199, this aircraft was produced until 1950. (Wiki)

    Money does not smell
    Vespasian, Roman Emperor

    Here are some more "brothers-Slavs"
  11. anjey
    anjey April 21 2020 07: 45 New
    +3
    The West has historically always been an envious and potential enemy of Russia, even during temporary alliances. The USSR offered military assistance to Czechoslovakia and later Poland, and if not for the anti-communist indulgence of capitalist Europe to Hitler, then the Nazis could be stopped at the very beginning of their expansion ... Wars are being fanned ... and it is not the Hitlers who prepare at the first stage, but the large capital of financiers and industrialists, only then they bring reactionary politicians to the political stage, who can increase the capital of the economic elite.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 21 2020 08: 00 New
    +2
    Of course ally
  13. Eug
    Eug April 21 2020 08: 11 New
    +5
    Czechoslovakia between the 1st and 2nd world wars was a sickly arsenal, there were only 8 aircraft factories (!), And the Germans captured weapons in it for 40 divisions. The British and French surrendered emergency situations to the Germans in order to quickly arm them (the Germans). But the Czechs are very helpful "tovarischi" and quickly recalled the experience of servitude in the Austro-Hungarian province. Soviet propaganda was forced to come up with allies, in reality they never were. Suffice it to recall the hockey player Golonka, who "shot" Soviet hockey players with a stick, sort of like their machine gun ...
  14. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 21 2020 08: 15 New
    +3
    Czechoslovakia, like all European countries (except the UK, USSR and Yugoslavia), were allies of Germany at the time of the attack on the USSR. That is why they demolish the monuments and hate the USSR (and now Russia), because they lost.
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 April 21 2020 08: 24 New
      +1
      And Yugoslavia was defeated.
    2. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor April 21 2020 10: 22 New
      -5
      Yes Yes. And in general, enemies are only around. Only we are white and fluffy.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub April 21 2020 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Czechoslovakia, like all European countries (except the UK, USSR and Yugoslavia), were allies of Germany at the time of the attack on the USSR. That is why they demolish the monuments and hate the USSR (and now Russia), because they lost.

      Let's clarify: Czechoslovakia as a single state ceased to exist in 1938, when Chamberlain and Daladier in Munich presented it to Hitler "on a platter with a blue border." The puppet state of Slovakia and the protectorate of the Czech Republic and Bohemia were proclaimed, and this is not the only Czechoslovakia. If we recall the various quasi states, now they are on the look-out: FER, Bukhara-Khorezm Republic, Kuban Rada, Hetman Skoropadsky, Petlyurov Directory - more or less noticeable, and how many khanates or small "people's", "democratic" and other republics on the territory of the former RI ?
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: vladcub
        1938, when Chamberlain and Daladier in Munich, presented it to Hitler "on a platter with a blue border."

        In Munich, it was only about the Sudetenland. Somehow it went on itself.
    4. IC
      IC April 22 2020 02: 01 New
      -1
      And whose ally was the USSR after the pact until June 22?
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 April 22 2020 05: 12 New
        +1
        And whose ally

        No one’s. In 1938, non-aggression declarations with Germany were signed by England and France, on the basis of this it can be argued that they became allies of Germany?
        1. Octopus
          Octopus April 22 2020 06: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: strannik1985
          on the basis of this it can be argued that they became allies of Germany?

          Did they establish contact lines with Germany in third countries?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 April 22 2020 06: 35 New
            0
            They set

            Of course, by sea - England occupied Iceland (at that time the Danish colony) and was one day late with the occupation of Norway.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus April 22 2020 08: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: strannik1985
              Of course, by sea - England occupied Iceland (at that time the Danish colony) and was one day late with the occupation of Norway.

              What do you mean "late"? Late to do what? Did she have an agreement with Germany on the delimitation of zones of influence in Iceland, Norway or the Atlantic?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 April 22 2020 08: 18 New
                0
                What do you mean "late"?

                So you're talking about the protocol laughing Will the transfer of the Sudetenland to Germany in 1938 go as "allied" obligations? wink
                1. Octopus
                  Octopus April 22 2020 08: 49 New
                  -1
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  Will the transfer of the Sudetenland to Germany in 1938 go as "allied" obligations?

                  Where did the line of demarcation of German and British troops in Czechoslovakia? How many British captured Czech military?
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  So you're talking about the protocol

                  And then.
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 April 22 2020 10: 36 New
                    +1
                    And then

                    And you only consider this as an example of allied relations? laughing
                    Self-reliance on the implementation of the Versailles Accords, no reaction to the remilitarization of the Rhine region, Anschluss of Austria, Munich agreement, betrayal of one’s ally is just a friendly relationship? good
                    1. Octopus
                      Octopus April 22 2020 12: 57 New
                      +1
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      Self-reliance on the implementation of the Versailles Accords ... friendship?

                      The usual rialpolitik.

                      The refusal of the USA and Britain, guarantors of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, according to the Budapest memorandum, from the war with Russia in 2014 - are these also allied actions with regard to Russia?
                      1. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 April 22 2020 13: 44 New
                        0
                        Regular rialpolitik

                        If it’s usual, then why do one glue labels, while others do not? wink
                        it is too

                        The memorandum suggested non-interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, but the US and the EU themselves violated it, supporting the coup. In particular, threatening sanctions to the Ukrainian authorities. You have a very original view of history good
                      2. Octopus
                        Octopus April 22 2020 14: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        Why do some people stick labels, but not others?

                        Because some fought, others not, it’s not so little.
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        The memorandum suggested non-interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine

                        Before referring to any document, it is harmless to read it, it is not long.
                      3. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 April 22 2020 14: 53 New
                        0
                        Because

                        Did not lead wink You haven't met the term "strange war"?
                        Before

                        I agree, read paragraph 3 of the memorandum. Are the threats of sanctions against representatives of the Ukrainian authorities an economic coercion or not?
                      4. Octopus
                        Octopus April 22 2020 18: 47 New
                        +2
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        You are the term "strange war"

                        And how did you come to the strange war from the Czech Republic?
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        Are the threats of sanctions against representatives of the Ukrainian authorities an economic coercion or not?

                        Of course not. Now, if one of the parties sent special forces and secretly removed the President of Ukraine from the country ...

                        So, padaji.
                      5. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 April 22 2020 20: 15 New
                        +1
                        And how are you

                        It’s you who came, if you meant the allies, then they didn’t fight in fact, if the Polish campaign, then the USSR waited for the government to leave the country, i.e. the question of when and how quickly the Germans would occupy the territory, no if.
                        Of course not.

                        Ie your personal opinion. And in my opinion it is that "yes".
                      6. Octopus
                        Octopus April 22 2020 22: 36 New
                        +2
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        You came if you meant the allies,

                        Quote: strannik1985
                        Self-reliance on the implementation of the Versailles Accords, no reaction to the remilitarization of the Rhine region, Anschluss of Austria, Munich agreement, betrayal of one’s ally is just a friendly relationship?

                        In none of these cases did England and France stipulate with Germany the distinction between the English and German occupation zones in third countries.
                        Quote: strannik1985
                        Ie your personal opinion. And in my opinion it is that "yes".

                        Well, it’s not quite personal. Your opinion coincides with the opinion of the government of the Russian Federation, as well as the governments of Afghanistan. Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Syria (Assad), Sudan and North Korea. The rest of the countries consider the arguments under discussion rotten excuses.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 08: 37 New
    -13
    About how famously history is being rewritten in Russia by the first whistle from above. Look tomorrow it turns out that the Czechs and the Second World War began, as well as the Poles.
    1. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor April 21 2020 10: 25 New
      -8
      That's right, the Finns were already ranked there
    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 21 2020 10: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      About how famously history is being rewritten in Russia by the first whistle from above. Look tomorrow it turns out that the Czechs and the Second World War began, as well as the Poles.

      England and France began World War II, declaring war on Germany.
      Oddly enough, but formally it is. After all, no one forced them to defend Poland? Could and pass, as surrendered to Czechoslovakia.
      Here is such an unexpected look at history.
      But if Russia can be blamed, then why cannot the same be done with respect to England and France?
      1. Caretaker
        Caretaker April 21 2020 14: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Beringovsky
        England and France began World War II, declaring war on Germany.
        Oddly enough, but formally it is. After all, no one forced them to defend Poland? Could and pass, as surrendered to Czechoslovakia.
        Here is such an unexpected look at history.
        But if Russia can be blamed, then why cannot the same be done with respect to England and France?

        Indeed, the look is original. The war became World War after a formal declaration, and if in fact, the Second World War began at the time of the German attack on Czechoslovakia.
        But, then, when did the Great Patriotic War begin?
      2. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Beringovsky
        cannot the same be done with respect to England and France?

        What do you mean "no"?
        “This message from the Havas agency, like many of its other messages, is a lie. Of course, I can’t know in which particular cafe this fabrication was fabricated. But no matter how the gentlemen from the Havas agency lie, they cannot deny that:

        a) not Germany attacked France and England, but France and England attacked Germany, taking responsibility for the current war;

        b) after the outbreak of hostilities, Germany turned to France and England with peace proposals, and the Soviet Union openly supported Germany’s peace proposals, for he believed and continues to believe that a sooner end to the war would radically ease the situation of all countries and peoples;

        c) the ruling circles of England and France grossly rejected both the peace proposals of Germany and the attempts of the Soviet Union to achieve an early end to the war.

        These are the facts.

        What can the caffeinated politicians from the Hawas agency contrast with these facts? ”
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 21 2020 10: 32 New
      +8
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      About how famously history is being rewritten in Russia by the first whistle from above. Look tomorrow it turns out that the Czechs and the Second World War began, as well as the Poles.

      But what can you do if the past official story rested on the thesis of the proletarian fraternity and that the peoples of Europe were moaning under the Nazi yoke and dreamed of liberation.
      But actually ... here is a rally on Wenceslas Square in Prague on July 3, 1942.

      Reinhard Heydrich. R.I.P.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        rally on Wenceslas Square in Prague on July 3, 1942

        Is a totalitarian regime able to collect large pro-government rallies? Can not be!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 22 2020 10: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Octopus
          Is a totalitarian regime able to collect large pro-government rallies? Can not be!

          No, I had no doubts about this ability of the totalitarian regime. The question is - what forces will he have to throw at it. Judging by the results of Operation Anthropoid, the Czechs' German "stability and order" were nicer than "the fight against the occupiers" - suffice it to recall how Czech firefighters flooded the basements of the church, where the saboteurs took refuge, helping the Germans storming the building.
          But in 1945, all those present on this square turned into convinced fighters against Nazism, who were making all efforts to bring victory over it closer.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub April 23 2020 16: 43 New
            0
            "They turned into convinced fighters against Nazism," but remember how French newspapers wrote about Napoleon: "the Corsican monster", and then: "His Imperial Majesty."
            And our recent history: the "enemies of the people" were exterminated and everyone was shouting: "Glory to Stalin" "", and in 1956 it turned out that all the "enemies of the people" were exterminated by Stalin and Beria, and all "loyal Leninists" were sitting and smoking. Then everyone shouted: "Glory to the KPSS", and then it turned out that the CPSU was bad and: BN had never been to the CPSU, and Petrushka was not the secretary of the Komsomol and Kravchuk had no awards from the Soviet government and about the "Holodomor" 2 minutes ago learned
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 21 2020 08: 46 New
    +7
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Almost 50% of the weapons of fascist Germany were made in Czechoslovakia.

    What are we talking about? Czechoslovakia is an artificial state molded after the end of WWII. Czechos have lived for centuries either with the Germans or with the Austrians (the same Germans). And the Germans created their industry. By the beginning of WWII, how old was this "state"? returned "their" territories. And the Czechs voluntarily worked for the "Reich". hi
    1. vladcub
      vladcub April 21 2020 19: 10 New
      0
      "Czechoslovakia is an artificial state", Yugoslavia is also an artificial state
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: vladcub
        Yugoslavia is also an artificial state

        Yes. And why did you remember that?
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 08: 52 New
    -18
    Quote: Pavel73
    The Poles won already claim that the USSR is the same enemy as the Third Reich.


    And why should the USSR, which, together with its friend, the Nazi Germany, divided Poland, not be considered an enemy? You just have to look adequately at the past ...
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 09: 12 New
      +9
      Jean-paul marat
      And why should the USSR, which, together with its friend, the Nazi Germany, divided Poland, not be considered an enemy? You just have to look adequately at the past ...

      Do you hear the troll, but you didn’t get anything wrong? The USSR did not divide Poland, he regained exactly what Poland occupied in 1920. So go the forest on an erotic journey with your rotten agitation.
      1. Procyon lotor
        Procyon lotor April 21 2020 10: 43 New
        -10
        You might think that the story began in 1920.
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 21 2020 15: 23 New
        +1
        Varyag, I do not like "Marat" (not personally Marat, but a person with this nickname), but we will not poke him.
      3. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        The USSR did not divide Poland, he regained exactly what Poland occupied in 1920

        Excuse me, what do you mean "returned" from 1920? When was the USSR created?
      4. IC
        IC April 22 2020 02: 06 New
        -2
        Since when was Galicia a part of Russia? And the rest of the territory was given to Poland after the Peace of Riga, as a result of the failure of the campaign against Warsaw.
    2. Caretaker
      Caretaker April 21 2020 11: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      And why should the USSR, which, together with its friend, the Nazi Germany, divided Poland, not be considered an enemy? You just have to look adequately at the past ...

      With the fact that at first Poland, along with Germany, divided Czechoslovakia. Remember Teshinsky area?
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku April 21 2020 12: 30 New
        +2
        With the fact that at first Poland, along with Germany, divided Czechoslovakia. Remember Teshinsky area?

        Operation "Zaluzhie" or "Zaluchie" - both spellings are found.
      2. Nikolai Miracles
        Nikolai Miracles April 21 2020 19: 41 New
        +1
        Cieszyn region in Czechoslovakia as Western Belarus in Poland.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus April 21 2020 20: 34 New
          +2
          )))
          You are partly right. The borders of Czechoslovakia were drawn at Versailles 20 years before the events described. Drawn, frankly, without much thought. So neither the Teshin Poles, nor even the Sudeten Germans understood very well why they ended up in a country that pursued an openly nationalistic, chauvinistic policy.

          So in Munich, it was not so easy to argue about the Sudeten with Hitler, as it seems to many now.
          1. IC
            IC April 22 2020 02: 09 New
            -1
            That's right. Sudetes with the German population were artificially included in the new state. Really judicial Germans were in a reduced position.
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 April 22 2020 08: 08 New
              +1
              And the German-speaking inhabitants of Alsace and Lorraine were also in a reduced position?
          2. Nikolai Miracles
            Nikolai Miracles April 22 2020 05: 29 New
            0
            In Poland, the Czechoslovak Legion (about 800 people) and the Czechoslovak Reconnaissance Squadron (93 people) were formed. The Legion was led by the lieutenant general of the former Czechoslovak army, Leo Prhala, his assistant was Colonel Ludwig Freedom.

            https://topwar.ru/22187-chehoslovackie-formirovaniya-vo-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyne.html
  • Operator
    Operator April 21 2020 09: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: haron
    You understand, I live in Prague

    You understand that we don't give a damn about you.
  • victab
    victab April 21 2020 09: 16 New
    +7
    In 1973, parents served in Czechoslovakia. Mother was very sociable and easily chut Czech. Many girlfriends of Czechs appeared. Here she recently said that she was struck by the fact that many showed their seed photo albums, and there it was all in German uniform. She did not understand and asked why they served? The Czechs, as a rule, kept silent or proudly spoke as the motherland ordered. The other day I re-read the history of the Czech Republic since the 9th century. It turns out that all the time they lived closely with the Germans, they were crossed to know them with might and main. And the Holy Roman Empire was in Prague, and all German crusaders served it. So for the Germans, they are like Belarusians for us. It is surprising that they retained the Slavic language.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 09: 17 New
    -16
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Jean-paul marat
    And why should the USSR, which, together with its friend, the Nazi Germany, divided Poland, not be considered an enemy? You just have to look adequately at the past ...

    Do you hear the troll, but you didn’t get anything wrong? The USSR did not divide Poland, he regained exactly what Poland occupied in 1920. So go the forest on an erotic journey with your rotten agitation.


    You can invent yourself any excuse and then yell at those who disagree with you. But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time. So why should the Poles not consider the USSR an enemy?
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 April 21 2020 09: 36 New
      +4
      Jean-paul marat
      You can invent yourself any excuse and then yell at those who disagree with you.
      Petushin cackling here only you do.
      But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time.
      Yeah, only you forgot to mention the conspiracy with Germany throughout Europe, starting with Britain and France, ending with Poland. And the USSR did not enter into a conspiracy, but signed a nonaggression pact. And Poland had to think with her head, and not the fifth point, when she took our lands for herself and when we starved our prisoners with hunger and torment. It’s still necessary to answer sooner or later, so they answered. Let them say thanks, that after WWII, Stalin didn’t kill German fellow countrymen, he could have kicked them with his feet.
      So why should the Poles not consider the USSR an enemy?
      And when did Poland consider Russia a friend? Can you give an example?
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 April 21 2020 09: 44 New
      +7
      The whole history of Europe is full of facts of the struggle of countries with each other in different alliances. But they remember only what is beneficial.
    3. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga April 21 2020 09: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      Quote: Varyag_0711
      Jean-paul marat
      And why should the USSR, which, together with its friend, the Nazi Germany, divided Poland, not be considered an enemy? You just have to look adequately at the past ...

      Do you hear the troll, but you didn’t get anything wrong? The USSR did not divide Poland, he regained exactly what Poland occupied in 1920. So go the forest on an erotic journey with your rotten agitation.


      You can invent yourself any excuse and then yell at those who disagree with you. But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time. So why should the Poles not consider the USSR an enemy?

      I'm swooning !!!
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 21 2020 10: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time.

      And a year before that, Poland attacked Czechoslovakia and chopped off the Tieszyn region. So the actions of the USSR fully fit into the mainstream of European politics of the late 30s. smile
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 24 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        fit into the mainstream of European politics of the late 30s

        You about hyena appetite? Yes, I remember something like that.
    5. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich April 21 2020 15: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      So why should the Poles not consider the USSR an enemy?

      And the Poles considered the USSR an enemy. Including when the USSR was the RSFSR, the Russian Empire, "Muscovy" or Russia.
      The mentioned event of September 17.09.1939, XNUMX is a consequence of the fact that the Poles considered the USSR an enemy, but in no way a REASON.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 09: 49 New
    -11
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Jean-paul marat
    You can invent yourself any excuse and then yell at those who disagree with you.
    Petushin cackling here only you do.
    But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time.
    Yeah, only you forgot to mention the conspiracy with Germany throughout Europe, starting with Britain and France, ending with Poland. And the USSR did not enter into a conspiracy, but signed a nonaggression pact. And Poland had to think with her head, and not the fifth point, when she took our lands for herself and when we starved our prisoners with hunger and torment. It’s still necessary to answer sooner or later, so they answered. Let them say thanks, that after WWII, Stalin didn’t kill German fellow countrymen, he could have kicked them with his feet.
    So why should the Poles not consider the USSR an enemy?
    And when did Poland consider Russia a friend? Can you give an example?


    And the strongest arguments of the Russian patriots went - personal insults. Tightly.

    As already written, it does not matter that you are there
    They decided to justify the aggressive policy of the USSR. The fact of the USSR aggression against Poland is of importance. It is only natural that, because of this, the USSR considers the Poles an enemy and removes the monuments that the scoops there at every corner placed. And the same with the Czechs. I am sure that if there had been no Sovietization of Czechoslovakia and the punitive operation of 68., there would probably have been no hostility to Konev and this history. But all this was, so it is understandable that the Czechs did not want to see monuments to the generals of the USSR in their capital.
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 21 2020 10: 21 New
      +6
      Jean-paul marat
      As already written, it does not matter that you are there
      They thought up to justify the aggressive policy of the USSR ...

      And for us it does not matter what you "invented" for yourself.
      The aggression of Poland and the capture of Western Belarus and Ukraine that did not belong to it in 1920 is a fact. Moreover, this was done at a time when the Civil War was going on, i.e. vilely, to the guise of the Poles stole the territory.
      This is a fact and it will remain so, even kill yourself against the wall.
      And we had full right return everything back.
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 20: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Moreover, this was done at a time when the Civil War was going on, i.e. vilely, to the guise of the Poles stole the territory.

        Sorry, I'm confused.

        From whom exactly the Poles, as you put it, stole the territory? What territory? Which of the Bolshevik treaties do you not recognize?
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 21 2020 21: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Octopus
          Quote: Beringovsky
          Moreover, this was done at a time when the Civil War was going on, i.e. vilely, to the guise of the Poles stole the territory.
          From whom exactly the Poles, as you put it, stole the territory? What territory? ...

          Let me intervene.
          Who are the Poles? In what area did they live before 1920?
          1. Octopus
            Octopus April 21 2020 21: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Caretaker
            Who are the Poles?

            Self name.
            Quote: Caretaker
            What territory did they live in before 1920?

            I suspect that mainly in the Kingdom of Poland.

            Does this have anything to do with my question?
            1. Caretaker
              Caretaker April 21 2020 21: 24 New
              0
              Quote: Octopus
              Quote: Caretaker
              Who are the Poles?

              Self name.
              Quote: Caretaker
              What territory did they live in before 1920?

              I suspect that mainly in the Kingdom of Poland.
              Does this have anything to do with my question?

              These are answers to your previous questions.
              Quote: Octopus
              From whom exactly the Poles, as you put it, stole the territory? What territory?
              1. Octopus
                Octopus April 21 2020 21: 29 New
                0
                Quote: Caretaker
                This is the answer to your previous question.

                Honestly, I do not see the connection.
                1. Caretaker
                  Caretaker April 21 2020 21: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: Octopus
                  Quote: Caretaker
                  This is the answer to your previous question.

                  Honestly, I do not see the connection.

                  These territories were not part of the Kingdom of Poland and there were fewer Poles than Ukrainians and Belarusians.
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus April 21 2020 22: 29 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Caretaker
                    there were fewer Poles than Ukrainians and Belarusians.

                    Yes. And what about the Ukrainians and Belarusians? Are you a supporter of the Ukrainian and Belarusian states?
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      7. Procyon lotor
        Procyon lotor April 22 2020 09: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Beringovsky
        Moreover, this was done at a time when the Civil War was going on, i.e. vilely, to the noise the Poles stole the territory

        This interpretation resembles the event of 2014, when Ukraine, too, was chopped off by the noise of Ukraine. Well, yes, because all this in the Crimea was an expression of the people's will, the right to self-determination, and not that the unrest in Czechoslovakia in 1968.
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich April 21 2020 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
      I am sure that if there had been no Sovietization of Czechoslovakia and the punitive operation of 68., there would probably have been no hostility to Konev and this history.

      More precisely, hostility towards Konev and the USSR-Russia would not have arisen in OUR time. They would have arisen then - after 2 MB.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 09: 53 New
    -12
    Quote: Pavel57
    The whole history of Europe is full of facts of the struggle of countries with each other in different alliances. But they remember only what is beneficial.


    And on this Czech, to the Poles, on every corner, keep monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army and always thank the USSR, how would many like this?
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko April 21 2020 10: 05 New
      +7
      Poland and the Czech Republic must rub for life and bear flowers, including the Stalin monument. Only because they exist as states and even under the USSR were masters of their own state. The worst thing is that the USSR still poured resources for free.
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 21 2020 09: 58 New
    +3
    In 1939, Czechoslovakia was divided into two states, the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the Slovak Republic.
    The protectorate population is about 33% of Germans, a large number of mixed Garshko-German families, Czechs, Slovaks, Madars, Poles, Jews. Citizens of German nationality, especially in the border areas (find on maps since 1939) were greatly influenced by Hitler propaganda. German citizens went to the Wehrmacht voluntarily and by conscription, especially those who were from mixed families. In, the Author of the recalled, SS units, were only German nationals. Yes, there were also citizens who were born and lived in what was then Czechoslovakia. The region of Gluchinsk - since the 13th century, German colonists settled uninhabited areas, but in the 13th century there was no Czechoslovakia. Svatováclavská rota Waffen-SS, until the beginning of May 1945, 77 people signed up. May 5-6 stampede and captivity. Several fanatics were shot dead by Czech rebels.
    A German tankman born and living in Czechoslovakia, Kurt Knispel. You can immediately see by name and surname that it is German, not Czech.
  • tatra
    tatra April 21 2020 10: 02 New
    +4
    Since those who captured Czechoslovakia in the late 80s are angry against the Communists, but not angry against Hitler and the Nazis, against the Poles, who, along with Hitler, dismembered Czechoslovakia, it’s immediately clear who they were with and then with.
  • tarabar
    tarabar April 21 2020 10: 06 New
    +1
    "To have such opponents is simply disgusting ..."
    I think a very accurate and significant assessment.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 10: 12 New
    -10
    Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
    Poland and the Czech Republic must rub for life and bear flowers, including the Stalin monument. Only because they exist as states and even under the USSR were masters of their own state. The worst thing is that the USSR still poured resources for free.


    Well, the Poles donated a large part of their population to the fight against Germany. The struggle, which began when two friends - Nazi Germany and the USSR attacked this very Poland. And until the moment when the friend scoop - the Nazis popitalis to finish off their accomplices, the USSR did not name Poland as anything other than the "ugly brainchild of the Versailles Treaty" or "the former state". It is necessary to beat not adequately to demand the Poles to score all this and say thank you for it.
    Well, the Czechs, I’m sure, would say thanks if not for what happened after the war.
    1. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer April 21 2020 11: 02 New
      +4
      “Well, the Poles in the fight against Germany donated a large part of their population.”

      You probably wanted to say: "... the Poles in the struggle against Germany donated most of their population of Jewish nationality"?
    2. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer April 21 2020 11: 32 New
      0
      In the Russian language, “most” means more than half of anything, therefore, according to your statement, Poland lost more than 50% of its pre-war population in the “fight against Germany”.
      Explain where such information comes from?
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 10: 27 New
    -10
    Quote: Beringovsky
    Jean-paul marat
    As already written, it does not matter that you are there
    They thought up to justify the aggressive policy of the USSR ...

    And for us it does not matter what you "invented" for yourself.
    The aggression of Poland and the capture of Western Belarus and Ukraine that did not belong to it in 1920 is a fact. Moreover, this was done at a time when the Civil War was going on, i.e. vilely, to the guise of the Poles stole the territory.
    This is a fact and it will remain so, even kill yourself against the wall.
    And we had full right return everything back.


    Why? By the fact that you have decided so, well, why do you need to tell the Poles because of this? And the Poles had no right to regain the territory of the Rzeczpospolota? Or do you only have rights?
    1. AK1972
      AK1972 April 21 2020 14: 44 New
      +2
      Fight that nachilas, [/ I]
      [I]The Commonwealth River?

      the Nazis popitalis
      "the former state"
      beat not adequate to demand the Poles is all Score
      Troll, go to school, pull up the Russian, and then state your vysery. Do not distort the great and mighty Russian language.
  • Caretaker
    Caretaker April 21 2020 10: 33 New
    +4
    About a thousand former Czech military men made up the backbone of the 37th SS Lutz Cavalry Division (37. SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie-Division Lützow). At least hundreds more joined the Czech volunteer company SS “Wenceslas” (SS-Freiwillige St. Wenzels-Rotte). Czechs also labored as part of the SS Brisken police regiment, part of the 31st SS Volunteer Grenadier Division Bohemia and Moravia (31. SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division). There were Czech SS men, just as they were ...

    Probably in the SS they recruited Volksdeutsche, not Czechs. Even in Finland, when recruiting into this criminal organization, the majority of those who wished did not pass face control.
  • Jean-paul marat
    Jean-paul marat April 21 2020 10: 45 New
    -9
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Jean-Paul Marat
    But the fact remains - on September 17.09.39, XNUMX, after a conspiracy with Nazi Germany, the USSR attacked Poland, whose borders it recognized and with which it had a non-aggression treaty at that time.

    And a year before that, Poland attacked Czechoslovakia and chopped off the Tieszyn region. So the actions of the USSR fully fit into the mainstream of European politics of the late 30s. smile


    The friendship treaty with Germany is true only the USSR signed. But in spite of what was going on there, I see not one reason why the Poles of the USSR should not be considered the enemy and the USSR monuments as lanterns on every corner.
    1. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko April 21 2020 12: 31 New
      +6
      The Pilsudski-Hitler Pact did not hear about this?
      Poland as part of Russia or Germany? Maybe Poland against Russia has claims to the border following the results of 1945? No. For Poland
      monuments like lanterns on every corner to keep
      very necessary.
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 21 2020 11: 05 New
    0
    what kind of power, such is the people ... it’s ridiculous to think that the people rule the country ...
  • wow
    wow April 21 2020 11: 55 New
    +1
    My paternal grandfather went through Finnish, studied at an art school and went through the whole Second World War. He died, or rather "disappeared" during the storming of Prague in May 45. My grandmother did not receive a pension for him until the age of 65, because. - missing . Then my father, studying at the VVA them. Yu.A. Gagarin, in the military archive of Podolsk, he unearthed the circumstances of the death of his daddy (my grandfather). While crossing the river in the Harz region (Austria), a German shell hit the BM-32 (Katyusha) car and the whole car, together with the crew, took off. No remains - missing. The "brothers" Czechs and others, hedgehogs with them, have a very short memory. And the best method of consolidating the "passed material" is, as you know - REPEAT OF THE PASSED! Looks like they do not know these of our old saying: "... repetition of the Mother of the doctrine ...". Only this time, it seems to me, this rule will be with many exceptions, like - no prisoners and wounded enemies, followed by healing and feeding. And there will be no restoration of their "motherlands" at our expense either, because there will be nothing to restore. Already tired of ....
    1. Octopus
      Octopus April 21 2020 20: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: yo-mine
      this, as you know - REPEAT LAST!

      A good idea. I would just like to clarify a small geographical detail.

      How are you going to get to the Czech Republic, a member of NATO? Through Poland - a member of NATO? Through Ukraine and Slovakia - a member of NATO? Or maybe poplar maw for Ivan Stepanych?
    2. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor April 22 2020 09: 51 New
      0
      Quote: yo-mine
      The "brothers" Czechs and others, hedgehogs with them, had a very short memory. And the best method of consolidating the "passed material" is, as you know - REPEAT OF THE PASSED! Looks like they do not know these of our old saying: "... repetition of the Mother of the doctrine ...". Only this time, it seems to me, this rule will be with many exceptions, like - no prisoners and wounded enemies, followed by healing and feeding. And there will be no restoration of their "motherlands" at our expense either, because there will be nothing to restore. Already tired of ....

      and then Ostap suffered ...
  • slasha
    slasha April 21 2020 12: 02 New
    -2
    And so many of our "not brothers". Unfortunately, they only understand the strong hand and will of the owner. Kindness and equality are perceived as weakness.
  • 1536
    1536 April 21 2020 12: 10 New
    -1
    How to help rescue a monument to Marshal Konev from Czech fascist captivity ?! After all, today the Czechs continue to mock the memory of the Soviet marshal.
    And henceforth, to know that the best monument to marshals, generals, officers and soldiers is military bases on the land that they liberated from the world's evil, which is hidden under the guise of fascism, terrorism and Nazism.
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 21 2020 15: 12 New
      0
      Is Olshansky cemetery a mockery too?
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 21 2020 12: 42 New
    +2
    The hype in Russian society about the Czech Republic in WWII is artificially fueled by Soviet propagandists because of the removal of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague. These noise makers probably pour oil into the fire on purpose and forget that the monuments to the Red Army in the Czech Republic are respected.

    These monuments to the Red Army are not demolished and commemorative tablets from the walls of the Don are not knocked down. I would be interested in how many percent of these social patriots visited the Czech Republic during a visit to the Czech Republic in the Grabin near Opava,

    or at least Olshansky cemetery in Prague.

    So no! Give them a beer with a shank. Walk along the Charles Bridge, to be noted in Karlovy Vary.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman April 21 2020 12: 56 New
    +7
    About tanks - a separate conversation. By the time of the attack on the USSR, each of those in the German armed forces was Czech-made.

    incomprehensible phrase. All tanks in the Wehrmacht were Czech?
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 21 2020 15: 10 New
      +2
      Caustic remark
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 April 21 2020 13: 57 New
    0
    An analogy with modern Ukraine suggests itself: the same venal and cowardly "elite" that bowed under the Nazis, the same tens of thousands of collaborationists and "law-abiding" silent workaholic ...
  • Shadow
    Shadow April 21 2020 14: 16 New
    -1
    Politicians and the masses simply surrendered the country for a warm, comfortable and well-fed place under the wing of Germany. It is very significant that one of the few who were ready to resist was the Russian general.
  • Looking for
    Looking for April 21 2020 14: 49 New
    -1
    Quote: avia12005
    For demolition of the monument to Konev, lower the status of representation, instead of the Ambassador -

    And for the American sanctions, to break diplomatic relations. And for the Germans, do not break the eggs of Germany. Well, in that spirit.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 21 2020 15: 08 New
    +7
    Colleagues, allow a few quotes
    "If you support your nation, do not sneeze at others" (Nadinyan)
    “The patriot knows very well that there are no bad and good people - there are only bad and good people.
    A nationalist always thinks in categories: "ours are strangers", "ours are not ours" (Strugatsky)
    1. cniza
      cniza April 21 2020 17: 34 New
      +1
      Add to your:
      "Do not shoot the past with a pistol, for the future will shoot at you from a cannon" - popular wisdom.
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 21 2020 15: 48 New
    +1
    Valery, let's clarify: the Germans are a practical people and tried to use ALL military property to the maximum.
    The site already had materials about Czech, French and Soviet, too.
  • 1536
    1536 April 21 2020 16: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Astra wild
    Is Olshansky cemetery a mockery too?

    This is how Radio Liberty reported about vandalism in this cemetery in 2007:
    "Mikhail Salenkov (correspondent radio stations): Prague police are investigating the theft from the Olshansky cemetery of 48 bronze bas-reliefs that adorned the gravestones of Soviet soldiers. The vandals removed the bronze ingots in three stages - in May and June. Over the past year, 102 bas-reliefs have been stolen from the graves of Soviet soldiers. The criminals and ingots have not yet been found. "
    1. vladcub
      vladcub April 21 2020 18: 53 New
      +2
      In fact, purely out of harm, in the Russian Federation, too, this happened in 90-. The most striking example that I remember in Tula was removed the monument to Degtyarev, how many tombstones split
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 21 2020 16: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Astra wild
    A nationalist always thinks in categories: "ours are strangers", "ours are not ours" (Strugatsky)

    Before throwing tweaked quotes, you would think for yourself. The first ones seem to be nothing, but the Strugatskys are not prophets here. I really respect the work of the Strugatskys, but sometimes for talents "it is better to chew than speak." "Ours / not ours" is an integral attribute of any national ethnopsychology, from prehistoric times, from the first initiation rites among ancient people. Do not smear with black paint what shimmers with all the colors of the rainbow.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos April 21 2020 20: 41 New
      -1
      Our / not ours is from tribal communities not suitable for the modern world
      1. Procyon lotor
        Procyon lotor April 22 2020 10: 12 New
        -1
        Judging by the articles in this resource, Samsonov, for example, and the more so comments, his principle is a stranger, still very relevant. Is it possible on the basis of this to conclude that the bulk of society (Russian!) Is also primitive?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos April 22 2020 10: 13 New
          -2
          Samsonov imperial dreaming of reviving the Russian empire
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 April 22 2020 12: 17 New
        0
        What is the "modern world"? - Only new technologies (including those destroying the human habitat as a biological species), plus forms of social organization (often clumsy and perverted) that are adjusted to technologies. I don’t see that humanity has somehow climbed the “golden ladder of spiritual development”, I don’t even see the development of individual abilities of an individual average individual (not to be confused with awareness), but I see degradation. At least, nothing has changed for humanity since the time of that story with Jesus Christ - not one iota. And therefore the principle of "friend / foe" (separating moral values ​​/ not sharing, is just the very "clamps" about which there is so much talk) - it is not bad and not good, it is naturally necessary, was, is, and will be as long as a person exists "in the company" of two or more persons.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos April 22 2020 13: 18 New
          -1
          Much has changed if you are not up to date in public institutions - for example, slavery has become unacceptable
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 21 2020 17: 26 New
    -7
    And Vladimir Ulyanov and others like that, for German money destroyed Russia.
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 21 2020 19: 41 New
      -3
      Am I wrong or do you Bolsheviks not want to tell the truth?
    2. Kronos
      Kronos April 21 2020 20: 42 New
      +1
      There is no right what German money he did not receive. More than that saved from the bourgeoisie
      1. L-39NG
        L-39NG April 21 2020 23: 05 New
        -4
        Freak, you at least do not lie to yourself. And especially not to the people. The Russian people, without you, have been duped by nowhere. Do you know the documents? or instead of truth do you need Stalin's lies?
        1. Kronos
          Kronos April 22 2020 00: 33 New
          +2
          Which documents ?
  • cniza
    cniza April 21 2020 17: 31 New
    0
    Alas, I have to admit: Czechoslovakia, for the liberation of which almost 140 thousand of our soldiers laid down their heads during the war, was in fact its faithful ally. Agree, after understanding this fact, today's glaring events in Prague look a little different.


    Nothing, for all they will be rewarded according to their deeds ...
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 21 2020 18: 24 New
      -9
      And for the 68th year in Czechoslovakia, for 56 in Hungary, for the uprising in eastern Germany in 1953.
      Do not go where you are not asked with your stupid social ideas
      Do you know the difference between a liberator and an occupier? This is when the liberator begins to impose his rules. I will repay the Stalinists, and my children will repay the death of our ancestors. With the Germans, we have already figured out.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 21 2020 18: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: L-39NG

        Do not go where you are not asked with your stupid social ideas
        With the Germans, we have already figured out.


        First, deal with yourself, and then give advice to others ...
      2. Kronos
        Kronos April 21 2020 20: 43 New
        +3
        Polish jackal
      3. hohol95
        hohol95 April 21 2020 23: 08 New
        +3
        1903 Honduras US troops land near the city of Puerto Cortes and intervene in the course of the civil war
        1905 Dominican Republic US military intervention in the Dominican Republic
        1906 Cuba Several military interventions from 1906 to 1909
        1909 Nicaragua US forces intervene in internal political confrontation and occupy Nicaragua until 1925
        1919 Honduras U.S. military intervention prevents revolution in Honduras
        Etc. The USA means it is possible "to protect national interests" to send its troops to different countries, but the USSR was forbidden?
        Operation Zapata in April 1961. Cuba. What for?
        Operation "Urgent Fury" of the United States to invade Grenada in 1983. Why did the "democratic" US soldiers climb with their stupid democratic ideas into a sovereign state?
        Operation Just Cause 1989, Panama. Why climbed?
        To protect US national interests ...
      4. Kwas
        Kwas 14 July 2020 19: 25 New
        0
        Give, pliz, an example of a "liberator". I really want to understand the essence of your logic.
        Quote: L-39NG
        Do you know the difference between a liberator and an occupier? This is when the liberator begins to impose his rules.

        Directly lost in conjecture. recourse
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 21 2020 18: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Beringovsky
    Oddly enough, but formally it is. After all, no one forced them to defend Poland?

    And before that, the USSR fought for Molgolia at the Halkin-goal of the USSR. They could just turn them over to the Japanese!
    Other countries were obliged to defend Molgolia (and the same Poland) by intergovernmental obligations, military assistance treaties were concluded. Or are we right and France and England are wrong? request hi
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo April 21 2020 18: 16 New
    -1
    The article is correct, but needs to be supplemented.
    Let's just "in garlic" - why did Stalin even lead the Red Army beyond the borders of the USSR? The first - it was necessary to finish off reptiles. And indeed it is. Finish, crush and destroy, so that in the foreseeable future they could not rise. The second, and this is a consequence of the first, the USSR had to push the border as far as possible to the West. But the USSR could not directly capture countries beyond its borders - too troublesome, and reputation costs ... but it could put pro-Soviet governments and include these countries in its sphere of influence. Which was done.
    Correctly? Of course!
    Were the troops of the Red Army liberators as of 1944-45? Well, looking for someone. For the Bulgarians and Serbs - most likely yes, for the Poles - definitely yes, for the Romanians - it is highly doubtful, but for the Czechs - generally doubtful. In principle, if you “hang around”, you can compile a table for all countries of the Warsaw Pact into which you enter the USSR loyalty factor, but this comment makes no sense. I'm a little about something else.
    I mean that the real liberating army is who? This is an army that comes, drives away the enemy at the cost of the lives of its own soldiers, sets up temporary military command, puts things in order, finishing off traitors, bandits and other sv * sota, puts a temporary government from the local and, damn it, GOES OUT. That is, for good. And no longer intervenes in matters of a liberated country in any way. That is absolutely.
    Can you imagine such an army? Me not. And this is normal.
    Our ancestors did not die in a foreign land in order to just live for a good life and leave this land. We needed these territories and these countries as a huge pre-field, a preliminary theater of operations, a place of deployment not only of typical land armies, but, more importantly, of elements of the nuclear triad. The USSR was preparing for the 3rd World War and getting ready right.
    It was such an approach, extremely practical and, adjusted for a specific country, rather tough, that should have been from the very beginning. It was not necessary to erect monuments to our soldiers and officers on a foreign land, and the theme of the war of liberators is little by little curtailed, moving on to a very concrete, tangible and very rigid structure of overlord-vassal, and most importantly, this approach should have been slowly, but very carefully, to introduce into the public consciousness of citizens of the USSR.
    But it turned out differently, namely through w * pu. What else can you expect from dogmatists with corn in their heads? A correct decades-long ideological project? Yeah, keep your pocket wider. It all came down to songs, fraternization and monuments. But this is normal and correct for those people. Those who fought shoulder to shoulder, those who together finished off the Nazis and planned a bright future for their children. But they were replaced by others who came from the "Eastern barbarians", and that is how they represented us, was seen as a new invasion, and we and them all played brotherly games and sang Alyosha.
    As a result, today we get permanent trolling on the one hand and helpless babble of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs (to listen disgustingly, by golly) on the other.
    And this is our payment for shortsightedness, cowardice, dogmatism, stupidity and betrayal of the top of the CPSU.
    They also say: “The son is not responsible for the father.”
    He answers, even as he answers.
    I think so.
    1. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor April 22 2020 10: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: WayKhe Thuo
      Our ancestors did not die in a foreign land in order to just live for a good life and leave this land. We needed these territories and these countries as a huge pre-field, a preliminary theater of operations, a place of deployment not only of typical land armies, but, more importantly, of elements of the nuclear triad. The USSR was preparing for the 3rd World War and getting ready right.
      It was such an approach, extremely practical and, adjusted for a specific country, rather tough, that should have been from the very beginning. It was not necessary to erect monuments to our soldiers and officers on a foreign land, and the theme of the war of liberators is little by little curtailed, moving on to a very concrete, tangible and very rigid structure of overlord-vassal, and most importantly, this approach should have been slowly, but very carefully, to introduce into the public consciousness of citizens of the USSR.

      This is pure Russian chauvinism, without any hint of a peaceful policy of the USSR.
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 14 July 2020 19: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Procyon Lotor
        This is pure Russian chauvinism, without any hint of a peaceful policy of the USSR.

        Labels to hang - a lot of mind is not necessary! And to recommend something alternative weakly?
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 April 22 2020 19: 51 New
      0
      For Austria we are FREEDOMS. We drove the Germans, and left. Live as you like. hi
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 21 2020 18: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Caretaker
    Quote: Beringovsky
    England and France began World War II, declaring war on Germany.
    Oddly enough, but formally it is. After all, no one forced them to defend Poland? Could and pass, as surrendered to Czechoslovakia.
    Here is such an unexpected look at history.
    But if Russia can be blamed, then why cannot the same be done with respect to England and France?

    Indeed, the look is original. The war became World War after a formal declaration, and if in fact, the Second World War began at the time of the German attack on Czechoslovakia.
    But, then, when did the Great Patriotic War begin?

    What the hell Hitler attack the state which is no longer? After all, in 1938 Czechoslovakia was divided
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    2. Nikolai Miracles
      Nikolai Miracles April 24 2020 07: 48 New
      0
      Czechoslovakia existed until March 15, 1939, when it was divided between Germany, Hungary and Slovakia. https://topwar.ru/155344-kak-zapad-sdal-chehoslovakiju-gitleru.html
  • L-39NG
    L-39NG April 21 2020 19: 54 New
    -5
    Is this you to us or to yourself? We figured it out. You already figure out in which state you live, still in the socialist or normal. It is a pity that the slaves think that they still live in the socialist Soviet Union. Between us - Russia lived for 11 centuries, the Soviet attempt lasted 70 years. Questions?
    1. L-39NG
      L-39NG April 21 2020 20: 22 New
      -7
      And here it is interesting. Does a state that has lost a large number of people consider itself a victorious nation? You should be ashamed, and not consider yourself a hero.
      Social idiology. However. I suggest. ban the Communist Party and social ideas, in the filing of Putin, in Russia. Let Russia develop freely, without a king, but with the decision of the people, bl and n, and Britain is freer than Russia, let Russia develop
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 21 2020 21: 27 New
        +2
        Very interesting. Who are you talking to?
        1. L-39NG
          L-39NG April 21 2020 22: 49 New
          -5
          This is an attempt to talk with a people who can think, ask questions and try to answer them, or at least discuss with someone, but in any case not with those whose arguments are just shit, this is what I have
          1. Octopus
            Octopus April 22 2020 08: 11 New
            -1
            Quote: L-39NG
            This is an attempt to talk with people who can think, ask questions and try to answer them

            From Israel there is, but not so often.
  • IC
    IC April 22 2020 02: 27 New
    +1
    Additions and clarify. Dozens of streets in Prague are named after Russian personalities and cities. There is no such thing anywhere. All names are saved and not renamed. Of course there are no streets of Lenin, Stalin and the like.
    In the historical memory of the Czechs there is not only May 9, but an imposed communist regime with repressions (250 executed and 200 thousand prisoners) and 1968.
    By the way, how many Soviet citizens served in the Nazi military formations?
    And during the occupation, indeed, industry worked for the Wehrmacht, there was practically no resistance, the population, with the exception of the Jews, lived better than the Germans, a minimum of destruction.
    But after the war, until 1968, the attitude of the population towards the USSR was mostly very positive.
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