Reasons for testing the T-14 Armata tank in Syria: reflections and assessments


The press, social networks and the blogosphere continue the discussion on yesterday’s statement by Russian Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov about testing the latest tank T-14 Armata in Syrian conditions. There are several vectors for discussion. And one of them is related to why the statement on testing the latest military equipment was made precisely by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, and not by the head of the Ministry of Defense?


There were also comments of the following nature: “But did the Minister of Industry and Trade have the right to voice such information at all?”

Had or not had - the question, of course, is interesting ... However, it is much more interesting what tests the T-14 Armata tank could pass in the Syrian Arab Republic?

To begin with, why the statement was made by Denis Manturov. Everything is simple here. After all, the tank is not yet in service with the RF Armed Forces, although the contract was previously concluded. Therefore, the machine that goes through the final revision is primarily in the hands of industry. Manturov is responsible for the industry.

Now about why the tests were carried out, as the minister told about this in an interview with Russia 1 television channel, in Syria? Reflections and evaluations.

First, at one time, the supreme commander designated Syria not only as a country where Russia is actively helping the SAA to counter international terrorism, but also as a country where it is possible to test the latest and most promising domestic weapons. One thing in this case, as they say, does not interfere.

Secondly, if you checked the effectiveness of the "Caliber", Su-57, entire families of UAVs, electronic warfare, brought the "Night Hunters" to mind, then checking the T-14 Armata in Syria’s climatic conditions would not hurt. Moreover, in his speech, Manturov announced that there were applications for Armata from foreign partners and the future formation of an export passport - the parameters of the tank for export. Export itself, as the minister noted, will not be established until the start of serial deliveries of the T-14 to the Russian Armed Forces.

Thirdly, the reason for the T-14 tests in the SAR is a unique combination of the ability to use armored vehicles in areas where hostilities are taking place, with the possibility of “running in” in special climatic conditions. In the western provinces of the SAR, including Latakia and Idlib - high humidity and high air salinity - the Mediterranean Sea makes itself felt. In the provinces of the south, east and north-east of the country there is a climate with desert “charms”, including dust and sand storms, extremely low humidity against the background of significant changes in day and night temperatures. Although it is unlikely that the T-14 "drove" to the east of Syria for testing.

For obvious reasons, it’s one thing to test the latest tank, for example, in the Ural conditions of Russia, and quite another to test in Latakia. And given that “Almaty” has a high export potential, it would be strange to miss the opportunity to test a new generation tank under conditions that may well meet the climate conditions of potential customers.

The network (including in the foreign press) also discusses the question of whether Manturov is misleading. The message is this: "If there are no photos on the Internet with" Armata "from the" bearded boys ", then no tests, most likely, were not."

The reasoning of such a plan looks, at least, strange. As if under the test of a tank in combat conditions it is necessary to understand exclusively a tank “meat grinder” or a tank wedge breaking through the enemy’s defense lines ...

It is worth recalling that today the T-14 Armata is equipped with a 125-mm smoothbore gun of the 2A82 family. The aiming range of this gun for a high-explosive fragmentation projectile is 4,7 km, for URS (guided missile) - about 8 km. Even if the “bearded boys” were expecting the “Almaty” to appear on the horizon in the olive grove, armed with a camera with an “impressive” zoom, it is unlikely that anything happened in the end. For a preliminary assessment of the work of a tank gun, a few shots are enough - to organize a show with a massive shelling of the positions of the militants is not necessary.

It is possible that at the moment, the American and Israeli military are trying to find that coveted shot with the T-14 test in Syria among streaming data from spy satellites. But if the frame has not yet been presented, then this does not mean that there was no Syrian testing.

Show on the official portals of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Defense or on the manufacturer’s website? So everything has its time. They will show.

After all, one should not forget about a special group of "experts" who are not so in any case: to show the shots with "Armata" now - they will call them "Shoigu cartoons", "additional anti-humane intimidation against the backdrop of a pandemic" or even the "Astrakhan staging of Syrian landscapes" , do not show a second after the statement of Manturov - they will declare "a lie and an attempt to mislead the world community." But these are the problems of those "experts."

For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the main thing is that the tank begins to enter the troops truly brought to mind and with the worked out various modes of its use.
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  1. Keeping April 20 2020 19: 02 New
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    Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts, now Armata shoots from its 152mm. guns on pickups.
    1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 19: 28 New
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      Quote: Keeping
      Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts, now Armata shoots from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

      I saw it myself, or is it written in the training manual?
      worked bombing on huts,

      Yes, it seems like no one saw them in Orcain belay
      1. Lara Croft April 20 2020 22: 36 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Keeping
        Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts,.

        I saw it myself, or is it written in the training manual?

        Yes, it seems that the whole country saw the Su-57 in the SAR from the “zombie box”, you probably were trolling at that time at that time .... I’ve been watching you for a long time, you can’t write anything about the case ... the article is relatively recent, but Your exclamations here are a million ....
        1. Cananecat April 21 2020 09: 37 New
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          Quote: Lara Croft
          Your exclamations here are a million ....

          But yours are more epic than everyone else. The article is small and the less you managed to mistake the calibers, not the point of course, for those who measure the caliber of the guns by the distance between the index finger and thumb ...
          How many Armaths have you already burned among the huts? )))
      2. Grits April 21 2020 08: 17 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Yes, it seems like no one saw them in Orcain

        Just this tovarisch saw nothing in his life, except for huts.
        1. umah April 22 2020 09: 38 New
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          It’s been a long time since the media slipped that when using weapons in Syria, our military encountered some difficulties, there were distortions during laser guidance.

          It can be assumed that in Syria elements from "Almaty" were tested, for example: a laser rangefinder, anti-tank guiding system, laser radiation sensors. For this, a tank is not needed. A pair of boxes with equipment and several people.
      3. Insurgent April 21 2020 18: 45 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Yes, it seems like no one saw them in Orcain

        Come on, do not get distracted from the topic. Armata, then Armata! ...

        1. Styletto April 22 2020 01: 56 New
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          Charming !!! laughing
          Skopipastil.
    2. krjugerfred April 20 2020 19: 29 New
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      From what is the rebate on the armature 152 mm caliber gun?
      1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 19: 49 New
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        Quote: krjugerfred
        From what is the rebate on the armature 152 mm caliber gun?

        Fear has big eyes laughing
        Still shaking with fear as they recall the Buryat tankers on the "Armata" laughing
      2. Azazelo April 20 2020 21: 03 New
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        Since there was an option with a 152mm cannon for nuclear munitions.
        1. Vadim237 April 20 2020 21: 39 New
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          Probably with a uranium subcaliber projectile - not a nuclear one.
          1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 22: 11 New
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            Quote: Vadim237
            Probably with a uranium projectile - and not a nuclear one

            in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead.
            Relate to tactical nuclear weapons.
            1. Chaldon48 April 21 2020 02: 13 New
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              Why spend extra expensive on barmolei I nuclear charge is not so stable, it will be enough of the usual.
            2. ccsr April 21 2020 11: 19 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead.
              Relate to tactical nuclear weapons.

              And where did you read that they would be used in tanks, and not in barrel artillery? There have never been plans in the SA for the use of tactical nuclear charges by tanks, so there is no need to fantasize about current tanks.
              1. Grigory_45 April 21 2020 12: 04 New
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                Quote: ccsr
                And where did you read that they would be used in tanks, and not in barrel artillery? There have never been plans in the SA for the use of tactical nuclear charges by tanks, so there is no need to fantasize about current tanks.

                it’s you who fantasize, as always thinking up something for the interlocutor.
                I wrote:

                Quote: Gregory_45
                in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead.

                for the tank - not a word.
                Quote: Gregory_45
                having a shell with a special warhead in the tank is irrational. These gifts are better suited for self-propelled guns.

                so, dear troll, your next futile attempt turned into a bunch))
                1. ccsr April 21 2020 12: 34 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  for the tank - not a word.

                  You’re lying, as always, because the discussion was about the tank gun:
                  Azazelo
                  Since there was an option with a 152mm cannon for nuclear munitions.

                  Vadim237
                  Probably with a uranium projectile - and not a nuclear one

                  Grigory_45
                  in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead.
                  Relate to tactical nuclear weapons.

                  Where did the mention of barrel artillery go here, if there was a discussion of tanks?
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  for the tank - not a word.

                  The whole discussion is about tanks, so your resourcefulness here will not help:
                  From what is the rebate on the armature 152 mm caliber gun?
                  1. Grigory_45 April 21 2020 12: 38 New
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                    Quote: ccsr
                    Where did the mention of barrel artillery go here, if there was a discussion of tanks?

                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    having a shell with a special warhead in the tank is irrational. These gifts are better suited for self-propelled guns.

                    learning to read wassat
                    funny to watch the troll dodge)
            3. Alex1949 21 May 2020 10: 08 New
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              Probably with a uranium projectile - and not a nuclear one

              in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead.
              Relate to tactical nuclear weapons.

              A uranium sub-caliber projectile is not a projectile with a nuclear warhead, but a projectile with a depleted uranium rod. It is stronger than tungsten rods and therefore pierces armor to great depths
              1. Grigory_45 21 May 2020 19: 59 New
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                Quote: Alex1949
                Probably with a uranium projectile - and not a nuclear one

                this is exactly what I know, but vis-a-vis was talking specifically about tactical nuclear weapons

                Quote: Alex1949
                depleted uranium core shell. It is stronger than tungsten rods and therefore pierces armor to great depths

                no, he is not stronger. It has its own advantages: uranium is pyrophoric (i.e. the dust from it is not only toxic, it is also highly flammable - but there are conditions for that), in addition, it is cheaper than tungsten (in fact, uranium is nuclear waste)
                Their armor penetration is approximately the same
                specific gravity of uranium is 19050 kg / m3, tungsten - 19500 kg / m3, i.e. slightly higher
        2. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 22: 09 New
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          Quote: Azazelo
          Since there was an option with a 152mm cannon for nuclear weapons

          having a shell with a special warhead in the tank is irrational. These gifts are better suited for the use of self-propelled guns (Msta has a nuclear shell)
          1. ccsr April 21 2020 11: 23 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            having a shell with a special warhead in the tank is irrational.

            Nonsense is technically impossible, because the caliber of tank barrels does not allow creating a tactical nuclear charge under it. And the firing range is too limited - there is no point in making such charges for tank guns, which is why they use only barrel artillery.
            1. Grigory_45 April 21 2020 12: 09 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              And the firing range is too limited - there is no point in making such charges for tank guns

              miracle, but what did I say?
              Quote: Gregory_45
              having a shell with a special warhead in the tank is irrational. These gifts are better suited for self-propelled guns.

              Can you read, child?

              Quote: ccsr
              Nonsense - this is technically impossible, because the caliber of tank barrels does not allow creating a tactical nuclear charge under it

              an unintended miracle, you again pretended not to understand anything? It was about 6-inch shells.

              Quote: Gregory_45
              in the caliber of 6 inches (152/155 mm) there are shells with a nuclear warhead

              There are tank 152-mm guns, if you do not know)

              What a cheap trolling) For a more elegant little mind is not enough negative
              1. ccsr April 21 2020 12: 38 New
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                an unintended miracle, you again pretended not to understand anything? It was about 6-inch shells.

                In which tanks they are used, tell a wise guy.
                Quote: Gregory_45
                There are also 152 mm tank guns, if you don’t know

                Which domestic tank?
            2. ser56 April 21 2020 15: 13 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              And the firing range is too limited - there is no point in making such charges for tank guns, in

              6 dm projectile power less than kt, so for a tank from a distance of 2 km this is nothing ... request
              By the way, I saw a model of this shell in the VNIITF Museum repeat they are very proud of him ... hi
              1. ccsr April 21 2020 18: 01 New
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                Quote: ser56
                6 dm projectile power less than kt, so for a tank from a distance of 2 km this is nothing ..

                The question is not about the range of the destructive action, but about the fact that with such a projectile it is necessary to hit priority targets, which in the attack zone of tanks may not be visible at all.
                Quote: ser56
                By the way, I saw a model of this shell in the VNIITF Museum

                Within the framework of any research work several models can be made, but this does not mean anything from the word at all.
                Quote: ser56
                they are very proud of him ...

                Of course we are proud of them - these are our achievements. Especially if it is adopted, and did not remain just a model in the museum.
                1. ser56 April 22 2020 15: 17 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  these are our achievements.

                  aha, we plowed ... bully
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Especially if it's adopted,

                  they are also proud that 80% of the nuclear warheads are armed with their design ... wink

                  Quote: ccsr
                  which in the offensive zone of tanks may not be visible at all.

                  those. tanks advance in a secondary direction? new, fresh .... repeat
                  1. ccsr April 22 2020 18: 21 New
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                    Quote: ser56
                    aha, we plowed ..

                    You didn’t plow, but I had to deal with some research in the field of RTGs.
                    Quote: ser56
                    they are also proud that 80% of the nuclear warheads are armed with their design ...

                    Honor and praise to them - I have already expressed my opinion about this.
                    Quote: ser56
                    those. tanks advance in a secondary direction? new, fresh ....

                    The commander of a tank regiment may not know where the main forces of the enemy are concentrated, that’s why only the commander of a formation trusts the question of using tactical nuclear weapons, and even then with reservations. So do not fool people with their heads - there is a threshold of positions in which it determines when to use tactical nuclear weapons, and they have not thought of lowering it to the level of a tank commander.
                    1. ser56 April 22 2020 18: 25 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      there is a threshold of positions in which it determines when it is necessary to use tactical nuclear weapons, and they have not thought of lowering it to the level of a tank commander.

                      do you think the decision to use a nuclear shell from Peony or Tulip is made by the calculation commander? bully
                      Quote: ccsr
                      don't fool people

                      take it to yourself ... request
                      Quote: ccsr
                      You didn’t plow

                      and I will refrain from commenting, as I visited the museum, you are our plowman ... wink
                      1. ccsr April 22 2020 19: 25 New
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                        Quote: ser56
                        do you think the decision to use a nuclear shell from Peony or Tulip is made by the calculation commander?

                        No, of course, but the deputy commander of the compound gives them instructions at least after the commander gives the order.
                        By the way, Peonies and Tulips do not advance along with tanks, because they are in the rear, and the artillery commander is easier to control than tanks in battle.
            3. tarakan April 21 2020 18: 08 New
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              You forget about the "last bullet, shell" laughing
        3. Insurgent April 21 2020 19: 43 New
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          Quote: Azazelo
          Since there was an option with a 152mm cannon for nuclear munitions.

          Or maybe we will limit ourselves to the fact that the 152mm caliber is considered in terms of increasing the power of the gun and the use of new, promising ammunition, including guided and homing ones?
        4. Gost2012 April 21 2020 21: 32 New
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          Quote: Azazelo
          Since there was an option with a 152mm cannon for nuclear munitions.

          was in iron?
      3. Lara Croft April 20 2020 22: 38 New
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        Quote: krjugerfred
        From what is the rebate on the armature 152 mm caliber gun?

        Actually, initially they were going to put it on him ...
      4. Insurgent April 21 2020 18: 48 New
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        Quote: krjugerfred
        From what is the rebate on the armature 152 mm caliber gun?

        Yes, 125mm, yes but PLANNED in perspective and 152mm.
    3. venik April 20 2020 19: 48 New
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      Quote: Keeping
      Armata now fires from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

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      Firstly, on the "Armata" is not a 152 mm gun, but 125 mm (Learn the materiel!). Secondly, why bva and not shoot at pickups? If a distance of several kilometers, “Armata” can accurately hit compact, high-speed and very maneuverable pickups, then it means that SURE will get into the tank!
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      Quote: Keeping
      Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts

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      Well, if the headquarters of the "barmaley" is sitting "in the hut" then why not? Second: do you, my dear, think that there are only "huts" there? I have to upset you - the "bearded" have (or rather, mostly already [b [b] [/ b] ate) not only disguised concrete bunkers and even underground factories (or at least workshops) and concrete underground warehouses!
      Summary: Sometimes it is better (at least - DARKER) to be silent than to speak (more precisely - to smack nonsense!).
      1. Lara Croft April 21 2020 00: 09 New
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        Quote: venik
        Quote: Keeping
        Armata now fires from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

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        Firstly, on the "Armata" is not a 152 mm gun, but 125 mm (Learn the materiel!).

        Comrade General, do not be angry that everyone saw the 14-mm gun on the T-125, but wanted to put the 152-mm gun in the future, there was such an article about it
        152-mm gun for T-14: relevance and prospects

        2016 article, you probably weren’t yet a major general ...
        I have to upset you - the "bearded" have (or rather, mostly already - b[/ b] yly) [b] not only camouflaged concrete silos and even underground factories (or at least workshops) and concrete underground warehouses!

        Personally seen? Those. I wanted to ask that there are definitely no huts there, but is there anything you listed?
        Summary: Sometimes it is better (at least - DARKER) to be silent than to speak (more precisely - to smack nonsense!).

        Well this is comrade General Mr. himself, he’ll figure it out somehow .... tea has not yet been canceled the freedom of expression of thoughts .... even if he’s in the bathhouse, this can happen to everyone, not because of shoulder straps here in the end, after all people are sitting on the site, after a hard day in self-isolation ...
        1. venik April 21 2020 11: 25 New
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          Quote: Lara Croft
          Comrade General, do not be angry that everyone saw the 14-mm gun on the T-125, but wanted to put the 152-mm gun in the future, there was such an article about it

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          Obviously NOT ALL - Keeping it seems I did NOT SEE ..... As for the prospect of a 152-mm gun - yes, there was such a thing in (and at least twice) and not only! But all this is from the field of assumptions such as: "the platform allows the use of a more powerful weapon .... The installation option of 152 mm is considered ....." But in the end - so far they have limited themselves to the powerful 125 mm 2A-82! Moreover, there are NO 152 mm guns yet! Maybe somewhere there is a conceptual design, or have advanced further, but the presence of a 152-mm tank gun "in iron" is not yet discussed.
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          Quote: Lara Croft
          Personally seen? Those. I wanted to ask that there are definitely no huts there, but is there anything you listed?

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          Comrade Major! Imagine - but in Syria it was actually quite a lot of military and military-industrial facilities, not only well-fortified and even hidden underground. One such object was even seen and personally. The truth is very, very long time ..... Subsequently, during the Civil War, some of them were captured by militants, some were recaptured over time, and some were destroyed.
          And there is a lot of information that the videoconferencing system "plowed" underground objects in the Internet! Including and underground munitions and drones factories.
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          Quote: Lara Croft
          no one has yet canceled the freedom of expression of thoughts .... even if he is in the bathhouse, this can happen to everyone, not because of epaulettes here in the end, people are sitting on the site after a hard day in self-isolation ...

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          I agree! "...freedom of expression has not yet been canceled....". Simply preconceived, amateurish approach to peremptory form, agree major - somewhat annoying! Especially "after a hard day in self-isolation" wink soldier
    4. Charik April 20 2020 20: 01 New
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      it says 2a82-125mm
    5. Dinar Gizatullin April 20 2020 21: 27 New
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      Do you like to attribute the methods of the Ukrainian army, the Russian ..
    6. silver169 April 21 2020 04: 31 New
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      The brainless pan-headed animal has no idea what Armata is, but in a truly Sharovarno-Bandera spirit, it tries to spoil the site. I hope this does not last long.
    7. SASHA OLD April 21 2020 05: 06 New
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      Quote: Keeping
      Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts, now Armata shoots from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

      And you still fart in a puddle wassat
    8. Simargl April 21 2020 05: 19 New
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      Quote: Keeping
      worked bombing on huts
      wattle and daub houses in ukroreich, in Syria for a long time the twentieth century and stone buildings.
      Quote: Keeping
      Armata now fires from its 152mm. guns on pickups.
      What are you afraid of? You all burned 100500 Armat at the border, sort of.
      In the Syrian Armata 203 mm! And shoot exclusively at peaceful
      Decide in your delirium.
    9. bistrov. April 21 2020 06: 02 New
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      Quote: Keeping
      worked bombing on huts

      So they don’t build “huts” in Syria, stone is in fashion there ... hehe ...
  2. Lopatov April 20 2020 19: 03 New
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    For obvious reasons, it’s one thing to test the latest tank, for example, in the Ural conditions of Russia, and quite another to test in Latakia. And given that “Almaty” has a high export potential, it would be strange to miss the opportunity to test a new generation tank under conditions that may well meet the climate conditions of potential customers.

    Dear author, map of Russia:


    For testing, our tanks do not need to be exported anywhere, our country is quite large and climatically diverse.
    1. Volodin April 20 2020 19: 10 New
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      Dear Reader! Now on this map you only have to mark the area with the Mediterranean climate and the simultaneous conduct (let God forbid) of military operations.
      One test of cross-border transfer of equipment is already an invaluable experience
      1. Lopatov April 20 2020 19: 19 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        You have to note the area with a Mediterranean climate

        Novorossiysk. There, I remember, there was a good training ground.

        Quote: Volodin
        the simultaneous conduct (God forbid) of hostilities.

        Fighting interferes with normal trials. And much.
        At best, it is useless.
        At worst, it is misleading.
        1. Volodin April 20 2020 19: 29 New
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          If necessary, they will also test under Novorossiysk. Even if its climate has nothing to do with the Mediterranean.
          1. Lopatov April 20 2020 19: 34 New
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            Quote: Volodin
            If necessary, they will also test under Novorossiysk.

            Exactly.
            And dragging tanks into Syria makes absolutely no sense.

            Now, if you now send them to the troops, to line units, then in a couple of years it will be possible to send a motorized rifle battalion, reinforced by a company of T-14 tanks for war. See what they are in business.

            And now it's just a waste of money.
            1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 19: 51 New
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              Quote: Spade
              And dragging tanks into Syria makes absolutely no sense.

              Sorry, but maybe it's still better for designers to know where and how to test their product?
              It’s like a professional chef learning how to cook request
              1. Lopatov April 20 2020 19: 56 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                Sorry, but maybe it's still better for designers to know where and how to test their product?

                Yeah ....
                Even if the tank / tanks were really dragged to Syria (which I am not sure about), the decision was made by the non-designer at all.
                1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 03 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Even if the tank / tanks were really dragged to Syria (which I’m not sure about),

                  And no one is trying to persuade
                  the decision was made not at all by the designer.

                  Who else? They will be asked to work with them
                  1. Lopatov April 20 2020 20: 07 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    And no one is trying to persuade

                    Naturally.

                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Who else?

                    Military.
                    1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 12 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Military.

                      I think not, rather managers. Such a trip is successful only as a PR move.
                      1. Lopatov April 20 2020 20: 16 New
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I think not, rather managers. Such a trip is successful only as a PR move.

                        Managers will rather offer to say "we experienced in Syria", but do not carry the tank there, so as not to waste money.
                      2. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 19 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        but do not carry the tank there so that you don’t waste money.

                        God forbid rumors leak out - you won’t be guilty of sin. And so swept along your scenario, and you're done. So in due time, room rats went to Chechnya for medals. The example is crude, but there are analogies.
                      3. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 01 New
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                        So, most likely it was ..))
                    2. Cananecat April 21 2020 09: 44 New
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                      If it was a PR move, we would see a colorful video of how Armata catches up with a frantically pickup barmaley pickup and winds the last one on the tracks ... the official’s words should be considered as a promise to some side ...)))
                  2. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 16 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    Military.

                    First of all. The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him
                    Secondly, it is the military who will make claims against the designers, if on the field, God forbid, war breaks through their fault
                    1. Lopatov April 20 2020 20: 37 New
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                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      First of all. The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him

                      But at the same time, only the military can provide tests in Syria. This is a reinforced concrete fact.

                      That is, it turns out there were no tests in Syria? According to your words.
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                      Quote: Spade
                      But at the same time, only the military can provide tests in Syria.

                      Naturally. They make a car for them
                      That is, it turns out there were no tests in Syria? According to your words

                      Where did I say that?
                    3. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 09 New
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                      "The military have no relation to him. relations"
                      "only the military can provide tests in Syria. "
                      "Naturally"

                      One hand does not know what the second writes ..))
                  3. Range April 20 2020 21: 11 New
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                    Tests are always carried out by representatives from the manufacturer and the customer, i.e. developers together with representatives from the Moscow Region. And they report to the representative of the customer, and not to the "commentators" from the Internet and "I'm sorry ..." from the media. And with what fright they have to provide photo reports to the media tricks.
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Quote: Spade
                  Military.

                  First of all. The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him
                  Secondly, it is the military who will make claims against the designers, if on the field, God forbid, war breaks through their fault


                  How far are you from the military industry and the army ...

                  Do not write more here - you just look ridiculous with your opus ...
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                  Do not write more here -

                  Do not tell you. Pants are short yet
                  you just look funny with your opus ...

                  "Laugh clown"
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him

                yeah, such civilians came to Syria, and let's try the tank yourself! Himself is not funny from the nonsense that he wrote?

                Quote: Lipchanin
                it is the military who will present

                so they don’t have a relationship? How will they make claims if tests are conducted without them?
                Nonsense in every comment.
              3. Lipchanin April 21 2020 04: 45 New
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                so they don’t have a relationship? How will they make claims if tests are conducted without them?

                As product customers during MILITARY TESTS
              4. Grigory_45 April 21 2020 08: 33 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                As product customers during MILITARY TESTS

                I’ll tell you a terrible secret - at all defense enterprises there is a PZ (military representation of the Customer), whose specialists participate in all types of tests of military equipment (factory, periodic, qualification, state, etc.)
                They will carry out conformity control developed by the design documentation, technical specifications, and technical specifications with the technical characteristics of the products, solve problems on all types of tests and determine the scope of tests together with designers and testers
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            “The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him. "

            And that is why he was allegedly sent to the war zone to shoot at barmales ??)
            But what's going on with people, dear mother ..
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            Quote: Roman123567
            “The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him. "

            Have as customers, but not as owners
            And that is why he was allegedly sent to the war zone to shoot at barmales ??)

            Not supposedly, but for testing
            But what's going on with people, dear mother ..

            Yes, the conovirus in your head is just rampant
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Have as customers, but not as owners

            the customer represented by MO paid both for the CD and for the manufactured product itself. Because it is the owner of the tank

            Quote: Lipchanin
            Yes, the conovirus in your head is just rampant

            that's for sure, at first I laughed at the fact that coronovirus primarily affects the brain, but looking at you is somehow not funny ..
      2. Martin April 21 2020 15: 51 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        First of all. The tank is being tested, not transferred to the troops. The military have nothing to do with him

        Do not play the fool. The military has customers. And they relate to Armata most directly from the first line drawn on the "Kuhlmann" (I hope it is clear why in quotation marks). And even, in fact, much earlier. Because lines are preceded by many letters in text documents as yet. And not a single text, not a single drawing is complete without the signature of the military. Including (especially!) At the test stage.
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        And even, in fact, much earlier.

        Quite right, because it is the military who determine the initial design of any weapon. Initiative developments do happen, of course, but as a rule, industry first secured that what they create could find military application, otherwise they would not be given money for such amateurish activities.
        Quote: Martyn
        And not a single text, not a single drawing is complete without the signature of the military.

        This is known to those who were really involved in the creation of weapons and military equipment.
        Quote: Martyn
        Including (especially!) At the test stage.

        The presence of the gas customer at all stages of the factory tests was mandatory, or at worst it was left to military representatives - this was customary in Soviet times.
  • Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 11 New
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    Quote: Spade
    the decision was made not at all by the designer.

    Exactly! But there are really enough conditions, there are few Russia - there are CSTO countries.
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      there are CSTO countries.

      And in all of them there is a war
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        And in all of them there is a war

        And who told you that war needs war to test?
        1. good April 20 2020 21: 47 New
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          t-14 is not t-34 with a simple walkie-talkie
          a bunch of specific electronics, which a tank is stuffed in a vacuum you can’t check
          in Syria there are a lot of drones, drone aircraft and other things from all countries constantly in operation, nowhere else to find such a training ground to check the interaction of the tank with all other combat components on the battlefield

          this iron can be rolled back to reliability in the homeland and electronic components are unrealistic
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          Quote: d0bry
          a bunch of specific electronics, which a tank is stuffed in a vacuum you can’t check

          Only in landfill conditions
          In Syria, this is impossible.

          Quote: d0bry
          to check the interaction of the tank with all other combat components on the battlefield

          Which ones?
          With the missing other tanks? With missing motorized arrows?
        3. good April 20 2020 22: 07 New
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          Everything is there :)
          Airplanes, helicopters, drones, ships, submarines and MTRs on the ground, and there are many other different specialists.
          At the test site, in the absence of any presence of “partners”, it is impossible to check whether everything is working reliably.
          And there Barmalei, the United States, England, France, Turkey, Iran, Israel graze immediately. And everyone spoils the air from simple chatter in the radio to radio intelligence and electronic warfare.
        4. Lopatov April 20 2020 22: 14 New
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          MTR and other specialists

          I apologize. but the tanks are not designed to interact with the MTR.
          They work with motorized arrows.
          They work against normal motorized infantry, mechanized, etc. units
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          To test the interaction at the level of software and hardware, you don’t need to send a division there, enough specialists
          and you need to interact not only with motorized rifles in modern wars
        6. Lopatov April 20 2020 22: 47 New
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          To test the interaction at the level of software and hardware, you don’t need to send a division there, enough specialists

          On the contrary. This particular division is needed.
          And then it turns out "we made new wheels for Ferrari, but since we don’t have a sports car, we test them on a forklift truck"

          Quote: d0bry
          and you need to interact not only with motorized rifles in modern wars

          Only.
          Tanks with MTR, if they interact, then through a bunch of "gaskets"
        7. good April 20 2020 23: 04 New
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          Now everything is tied into one information field.
          you can’t cook porridge with motorized arrows alone
          they will roll back with divisions when enough serial units have been built, and before that it is still necessary to create training centers and technical support and figure out how to use them wisely, because they are not worth a penny and are not built quickly but will end quickly if you fight like in the 40s .
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      They work against normal motorized infantry, mechanized, etc. units

      you’re somewhat outdated in the ideas about the use of modern BTT and there is such a buzzword - network-centricity - i.e. the unification of diverse forces on the battlefield into a single information network ... hi
  • ccsr April 22 2020 18: 28 New
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    this iron can be rolled back to reliability in the homeland and electronic components are unrealistic

    Do you seriously believe that we will participate in a hypothetical war on the Mediterranean Sea and transfer a tank division or even a tank army there? Wake up - the time of the battles of Stalingrad and Kursk has passed, and even in the first war in the bay there was not a single tank battle, even by the forces of several American tank battalions, although there were a lot of troops concentrated there.
  • rocket757 April 20 2020 20: 26 New
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    I don’t believe that they will be (if any) valuable tests ... I have been to product tests many times and have never had to wander around the world because of the "climate" !!! Everything fit in one building, all climatic zones !!!
    The fact that this will turn out to be a valuable publicity stunt ... is also very doubtful, because it is necessary to present the FACTS of victories, achievements and everything else !!! And so, in words, only minke whales can! We will have to prove everything in practice or closer to business !!!
    Tank and so many arouses interest and will go! After our troops will take the place he deserves !!!
    1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 21: 59 New
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      And so, in words, only minke whales can!

      we are actively learning from them.
      Now evidence is not required, gentlemen need to take their word for it.
      Yes, and look at the public - many people do not need proof at all. The news is good, but good news is so nice to believe!
      1. rocket757 April 20 2020 22: 30 New
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        The news is good

        And what exactly? What drove there, back. whom and how he won there was not said ... in vain, by the way. So it would be more interesting.
        In general, it does not look like a serious statement, a serious leader.
  • poquello April 20 2020 20: 25 New
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    dragging tanks into Syria makes absolutely no sense.

    Well, as if with such an approach, it would not be worthwhile to drive out new equipment through a TVD at all, dashes only will not replace a real enemy, and the behavior is not imitated
    1. Lopatov April 20 2020 21: 21 New
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      Well, as it were, with this approach, it’s not worth at all to run new equipment through a TVD,

      Equipment that is in service with units of the RF Armed Forces and is used by personnel is mandatory.

      But Armata will be ready for such trials in five years at best.
      1. poquello April 21 2020 01: 47 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Quote: poquello
        Well, as it were, with this approach, it’s not worth at all to run new equipment through a TVD,

        Equipment that is in service with units of the RF Armed Forces and is used by personnel is mandatory.

        But Armata will be ready for such trials in five years at best.

        childhood illnesses of new helicopters cost pilots life, and such reasons come to light that armed with equipment that is not armed, it’s better to do it earlier
        1. Nehist April 21 2020 04: 54 New
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          Helicopters were in armament and were serial, there were no special problems during the operation of the mastered equipment, but during the database jambs were found out, so no one would send Armata to Syria until it was received by combat units
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            ... jambs were found out during the database, so no one would send Armata to Syria until she was received by combat units

            ) What is it like? like jambs can only figure out combat parts?
            1. Nehist April 22 2020 01: 44 New
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              The daily operation and maintenance of equipment during the database is very different
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              The daily operation and maintenance of equipment during the database is very different

              and? the conversation is about the ability to detect defects in the factory or drill crew
  • rich April 21 2020 02: 53 New
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    tests of the T-14 Armata tank in Syria: reflections and assessments

    I was very interested in how the test results of the T-14 Armata tank in Syria are evaluated. Unfortunately, despite this title of the article, not a single word about it
    Recently, it has become almost the norm that the title of an article does not always correspond to its content.
  • Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy April 21 2020 04: 32 New
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    Goodnight. What do you think, do KBs, General Staff, etc. know worse what to do and how to do? I will disappoint you, there, I am sure, professionals in their field work! Understand without us!
  • Xnumx vis April 20 2020 22: 06 New
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    You can drive in the Crimea .. On the South Coast, an analogue of the Mediterranean climate .. That's just the mountains ... At Cape Opuk a training ground ... Maybe they drove there.
  • venik April 20 2020 20: 09 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Fighting interferes with normal trials. And much.

    =========
    In field tests, it is impossible to reveal ALL those flaws and defects that are seriously manifested in BATTLE conditions! NEVER IN MY LIFE.
    There, even people behave in a completely different way! It’s not in vain because how many soldiers and officers I do not train in “conditions as close as possible to the fighting” - they CANNOT be considered “fired” while they are in real fight will not hit! You must know how an officer should know this!
    The same thing with technology! Even “trifles” that are insignificant during exercises (or field tests) can “shoot” in combat conditions, so much so that then you have to make serious alterations .... I definitely know one such case!
    1. Lopatov April 20 2020 21: 21 New
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      In field tests, it is impossible to reveal ALL those flaws and defects that are seriously manifested in BATTLE conditions! NEVER IN MY LIFE.

      Just the same is possible.
      But in the fighting like the Syrian, no.
      1. venik April 20 2020 21: 49 New
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        Just the same is possible.
        But in the fighting like the Syrian, no.

        ========
        Please justify the "whole list"!
        1. Lopatov April 20 2020 21: 53 New
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          Please justify the "whole list"!

          Easily.
          How in Syria can military operations be worked out against a full-fledged reinforced motorized infantry unit of the NATO army? Supported by aviation and artillery, as well as REP
          1. venik April 21 2020 11: 31 New
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            Quote: Spade
            How in Syria can military operations be developed against a full-fledged reinforced motorized infantry unit of the NATO army?

            =======
            And why in Syria you need to work out "...military operations against a full-fledged reinforced motorized infantry unit of the NATO army... "?
            Forgot about Afghanistan? Then our Army, well trained to conduct b / d high Intensity with excellent armed forces, NATO was completely unprepared for a local conflict of low intensity in a semi-partisan war! I had to study “in the course of the play” and pay too much for it high pricesu!
            1. Lopatov April 21 2020 11: 40 New
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              Quote: venik
              And WHY in Syria it is necessary to work out "... military operations against the full-fledged reinforced motorized infantry unit of the NATO army ..."?

              Then, that this is their main purpose.
              The hammer can be used as a paperweight. But you need to test it for driving nails.

              Quote: venik
              Forgot about Afghanistan? Then our Army, well trained to conduct high-intensity b / d with perfectly armed forces of NATO, was completely unprepared for a local conflict of low intensity in the conditions of a semi-partisan war! I had to study “in the course of the play” and pay too high a price for this!

              What about tanks?
              In order for the troops to operate normally in low-intensity conflicts, their TEACH necessary.
              And the tanks that are not absent in the line units are to be sent to Syria. Not for the sake of business, but for the sake of saying "we tested the tank in Syria"
              1. venik April 21 2020 12: 29 New
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                And the tanks that are not absent in the line units are to be sent to Syria. Not for the sake of business, but for the sake of saying "we tested the tank in Syria"

                ==========
                Or maybe in order to better understand WHAT he lacks in REAL conditions! There - only today the article appeared about the Orion BP - they also tested it - everything seemed to be "good" - they tried it in Syria - and the Moscow Region had new wishes ....
  • Pivot April 20 2020 22: 36 New
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    Yes, this is nonsense, I understand the Indians experienced the T90 for several months under different conditions, and this Manturov is a typical balabol which rubs a lot in the civil service. The simplest example is when a non-rolled tank goes to a combat position, as some have recently written here, shot from different sides, which of course is unlikely to happen to a tank incident, a short circuit and a tank begin to fire 5 permissible crew calculations from different sides, and here the crew can lose its image and a tank. Yes, the simplest unit breaks down, parts can be changed within Russia within a day, and until this spare part arrives in Syria, it’s time to send the tank back, the statements of this minister cannot be called “Deniskins Tales” otherwise.
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    For once, I’ll support Lopatov ..
  • Simargl April 21 2020 05: 24 New
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    Fighting interferes with normal trials.
    If you haven’t noticed, Armata moves quite normally and even shoots. Yes, the DB will interfere with sea trials, but the DB does not experience the ability to ride and shoot, but combat use. Combat application it’s best to experience ... in battle! Strange yeah wassat ?
    Or do you have a gray substance completely washed with alcohol, so as not to think of this?
    1. Lopatov April 21 2020 08: 36 New
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      And why are you sure that "normal"?
      Based on footage on Red Square?

      Quote: Simargl
      but in the database they’re experiencing not the very ability to ride and shoot, but military use. Combat use is best experienced ... in battle! Strange, yes wassat?

      Right, in battle
      And where do you watch the battle there? Where in Syria can you test a modern tank for military operations for its intended purpose? Nowhere What, damn it, bad luck.
      In addition, this should be done with full-time crews, as part of the unit. And this is not?

      So then what is tested there?
      1. Simargl April 21 2020 19: 48 New
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        Based on footage on Red Square?
        A lot of videos from the landfill.
        At KP T-14 did not shoot even once. And at the training ground ... and the video is.

        Quote: Spade
        And where do you watch the battle there?
        Uh ... the battle, as I understand it, is when the enemy is trying to damage each other. Have you been banned from YouTube?

        Quote: Spade
        Where in Syria can you test a modern tank for military operations for its intended purpose?
        I suppose, on the front line, which there, nevertheless, there is some kind of ...

        Quote: Spade
        In addition, this should be done with full-time crews, as part of the unit.
        Those. Do you need a couple of tanks?
  • Krasnoyarsk April 20 2020 19: 50 New
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    Quote: Volodin

    Dear Reader! Now on this map you only have to mark the area with the Mediterranean climate and the simultaneous conduct (let God forbid) of military operations.

    Not for the purpose of criticizing your article. I just don’t understand the meaning of the words - tests in real combat conditions. How did these tests go? Three times fired from a cannon at a target? So it can be done at any training ground. If he did not take part in a real battle, i.e. didn’t attack the fortified positions of the enemy, for which the tank itself was intended, was not a target for the enemy, was not subjected to shelling, how was it tested?
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      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      If he did not take part in a real battle, i.e. did not attack the fortified positions of the enemy, for which the tank itself was intended, was not a target for the enemy, was not subjected to shelling

      First: Tell me, how do you know that this was not?
      Secondly: Do you know what exactly was tested, if tested, in the tank?
      For me there is so little background and information. Until proven / shown different, believe Manturov
      1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 14 New
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        Quote: Mitroha
        First: Tell me, how do you know that this was not?

        No one would allow that. Imagine - the barmalei knocked out the latest tank even before being adopted? What will be the blow to the reputation?
        1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 28 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Imagine - the barmalei knocked out the latest tank even before being adopted?

          And where did you get the idea that he went on the attack there?
          1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 31 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            And where did you get the idea that he went on the attack there?

            And then what is the logic of his being there? belay
            1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 51 New
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              Quote: Ingvar 72

              And then what is the logic of his being there?

              TESTS
              Or are there few details and mechanisms in the tank that require testing?
              Yes the same chassis
              Yes, and the article has an answer.
              Well, if you read
              As if under the test of a tank in combat conditions it is necessary to understand exclusively a tank “meat grinder” or a tank wedge breaking through the enemy’s defense lines ...
              1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 21: 08 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                TESTS

                You are already starting to tire. Lopatov has already told you that Russia is full of places with different climatic conditions.
                1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 21: 17 New
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  You're already starting to bore

                  You already tired of it.
                  Lopatov already told you

                  Maybe all the same, designers better than Lopatov know what, how and where they should experience
                  Lopatov does not answer for his "scribble". Designers are responsible for the tank, for the defense of Russia
                  Rђ RІRѕS,
                  did you read this?
                  Russia has tested more than 600 weapons and equipment in Syria, including new aviation weapons and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said today.

                  “All practically new models, all the new products have gone through the Syrian conflict, in order to be able to see what real characteristics, how the weapons behave. We tested over 600 samples in the Syrian conflict, ”Borisov said on Thursday at the Army 2017 forum. According to him, new aviation equipment, new means of destruction, MLRS, protected cars, new equipment were tested.

                  “We had to refuse a number of samples, because practice has shown that the samples did not withstand the requirements that were imposed on them,” Borisov said. He added that industry representatives are constantly present at the Khmeimim airbase, which eliminate or record comments.

                  According to Vedomosti, as a result of hostilities in Syria, various kinds of technical problems were identified that would hardly have manifested themselves in a different situation. These issues include issues of operation of avionics of the latest Russian attack aircraft Su-34 and Su-35, including software, compatibility of the latest weapons with on-board equipment of long-range aircraft, as well as the reliability of airborne defense systems designed to protect aircraft from man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS). Among the samples of weapons, the purchase of which was suspended after testing in combat conditions, called air-launched cruise missiles, communications and electronic intelligence.

                  Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in May that in Syria “86% of flight personnel, including 75% of long-range crews, 79% of operational-tactical, 88% of military transport and 89% of army aviation (helicopters) gained combat experience."

                  Also did not have to carry there?
                  “We had to refuse a number of samples, because practice has shown that the samples did not withstand the requirements that were imposed on them,”

                  They also have not been tested in Russia in different climatic conditions?
                  1. SovAr238A April 20 2020 22: 09 New
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                    Quote: Lipchanin

                    They also have not been tested in Russia in different climatic conditions?


                    And why do you think climatic?
                    Non-compliance with TK is any non-compliance.

                    For example, the time of deployment / collapse from traveling to combat position and vice versa.
                    Expressed in constructive miscalculations.

                    Or exceeding the time of routine maintenance by more than 15% ...
                    and many other indicators.
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And then what is the logic of his being there? belay

              Igor, in which regiment did you serve? That's right, in construction.

              So what (censorship) do you climb into tanks ??

              Even I (your jacket) could tell you what you can experience there ... without any attacks. But, knowing that I knowingly not in a horse, I won’t begin to torment Klava negative
              1. SovAr238A April 20 2020 22: 13 New
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                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And then what is the logic of his being there? belay

                Igor, in which regiment did you serve? That's right, in construction.

                So what (censorship) do you climb into tanks ??

                Even I (your jacket) could tell you what you can experience there ... without any attacks. But, knowing that I knowingly not in a horse, I won’t begin to torment Klava negative


                Tell me pliz, what exactly can a tank experience in Syria, with the actual absence of full-fledged opposition of an equal or superior opponent. In the conduct of guerrilla warfare.
                In the face of the potential action of dozens of enemy special forces, who want to get a model "for experiments" ...

                Who needs it?

                What forces should be used to ensure test safety?

                And much more.

                And if all of the above is ensured, protected from professional saboteurs (and, accordingly, from barmaleys), then this will not be a test - it will be a greenhouse trip to nature.
                1. Golovan Jack April 20 2020 22: 20 New
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                  Who needs it?

                  As for me - no one. Moreover, since this is claimed by the “salesman”, I believe that there haven’t been any trials, there’s no photo-toad, but the meaning of the statement ... well, perhaps it’s a temptation for potential customers.

                  I wrote exactly the same thing yesterday in a similar topic.

                  The whole point of my previous comment is to remind Ingvara (with whom we are long-standing “friends”) who he is, what he is and where he came from.

                  I get it? repeat
                  1. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 22 New
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                    But what for, Igvar had something to remind when, in this case, your opinions agree ??)
                    He writes that white is white .. you mind something, and then you agree that there were no tests ..
                    Just argue in each post out of personal hostility ??)
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          No one would allow that. Imagine - the barmalei knocked out the latest tank even before being adopted?

          Yeah. Type, as with the T-62.
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        Believe Manturov is the last thing .. until he proves, at least ..
        And the tank, not accepted into service, to send under fire ?? To test it as a target for barmaley ?? Mdyayaya ..
    2. Lopatov April 20 2020 20: 06 New
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      How did these tests go?


      Well ... One tank, guarded by a separate special forces detachment, a military police company, a squadron of combat helicopters and a pair of fighter jets, drove a kilometer and shot at a dilapidated house in which the day before they saw people who looked like militants.
      The tests were thorough, because shot three times. Well, a hundred machine guns.
      After which the tank drove another kilometer, climbed onto the cart and departed to load on the landing ship ...
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        Well ... One tank, guarded by a separate special forces detachment, military police company, a squadron of combat helicopters and a pair of fighter jets, drove a kilometer and shot at a dilapidated house in which the day before they saw people who looked like militants. The tests were thorough, so they shot three times. Well, a hundred machine guns.
        After which the tank drove another kilometer, climbed onto the cart and departed to load on the landing ship ...

        ========
        This is for you PERSONALLY on the "ear whispered in secret" or this "masterpiece" should show your "wit"?"
        1. Lopatov April 20 2020 20: 43 New
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          Is it PERSONALLY on your “ear whispered in secret” or should this “masterpiece” demonstrate your “wit”?

          This I estimated the minimum outfit of forces and means. Most likely it is much larger.

          Just turn on the brain. If this works out.

          Even the damage to “Almaty” is a gigantic victory for the “rebels” there. Not to mention the capture.
          Which is quite possible. given the active support of the militants by the Americans and the Turks. and their other lapdogs.
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            Quote: Spade


            Even the damage to “Almaty” is a gigantic victory for the “rebels” there. Not to mention the capture.
            Which is quite possible. given the active support of the militants by the Americans and the Turks. and their other lapdogs.

            Do not be foolish. No one advertised him there, unless of course he was there. It should have been camouflaged from all sides for something (T-90?) And put into real combat. And there wouldn’t be anything terrible, even if it had been knocked down, burned, etc. The main thing is that the barmalees should not get it. And this could have been provided, there would have been enough forces and means for this.
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            Just turn on the brain. If this works out.
            Even the damage to “Almaty” is a gigantic victory for the “rebels” there. Not to mention the capture.

            ========
            In order to avoid capture - it is simply enough NOT to use it where such capture is possible (for example, to break through the enemy’s defense, with the subsequent exit to its rear) i.e. use it in defensive orders, where a massive breakthrough of the enemy is unlikely. As for the "damage" - so who will know about it? Especially if the tank is used in conjunction with a pair of three tanks of other types, the actions take place in the dark and the tank is covered with a "heat-absorbing" cover - HOW to distinguish it from the T-72 or T-90 at a distance of 1.5 - 2 km? But to compare WHO of them T-14, T-72, T-90 will be able to quickly detect the target and hit it in the conditions of a REAL battle - it is INTERESTING!
            So that:
            Quote: Spade
            Just turn on the brain. If this works out.
        2. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 24 New
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          It dictates common sense ..
          But the wit of some "whispers" to us that he fought there like a lion, dodging opponents and crushing them alone ..
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      3. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 54 New
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        In Chechnya, the Ka-50 flew exclusively at night and under the protection of the Mi link.
        It was also a test.
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          In Chechnya, the Ka-50 flew exclusively at night and under the protection of the Mi link.
          It was also a test.


          Cool.
          But remember the date ... They appeared there in December 2000. That is, 100% of the territory under our control, the troops are mostly withdrawn, in the regional centers of the commandant’s office, the formation of the 42nd division is taking place.
          Sandbox.
    3. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 19 New
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      . How did these tests go

      Over time, maybe they will tell
      If he did not take part in a real battle, i.e. didn’t attack the fortified positions of the enemy

      Many components and parts can be tested without attack
      Well, who will risk the prototype? Who would take such a risk of losing a car?
      1. Krasnoyarsk April 20 2020 22: 58 New
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        Many components and parts can be tested without attack
        Well, who will risk the prototype? Who would take such a risk of losing a car?

        Yes that's right. BUT then the logical question is - why drag it to Syria?
        To test in "real combat conditions" means to test it in battle. Those. he had to take part in some kind of operation to destroy, capture, repel the attack, choose to your taste. But something he had to do there, except that just ride in the climatic conditions of Syria. I do not deny anything, I try to understand what the words mean - "to test in combat conditions."
        Or maybe the minister blurted out without thinking, and here we break spears?
  • kit88 April 20 2020 20: 00 New
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    I wonder why Armata needed a Mediterranean climate for testing?
    And why not Madagascar or Indonesian? Or even Chukchi.
    Or is there an insider infa?
    1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 07 New
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      I wonder why Armata needs the Mediterranean climate for testing?

      Yes, because at once two goals are killed
      First one. There is a war going on.
      The second one. A potential buyer may be from the Mediterranean countries
      Or even Chukchi.

      Well, in the first place they could already have experienced in Chukotka.
      And secondly / name the potential buyer with the climate like in Chukotka?
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        And secondly / name the potential buyer with the climate like in Chukotka?

        There, through the strait, a potential "client" of Almaty entered.
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          There, through the strait, a potential "client" of Almaty entered.

          I will repeat my post again
          Well, in the first place they could already have experienced in Chukotka.
          And secondly / name the potential buyer with the climate like in Chukotka?

          For who settled

          First part of the post
          You did not answer the second part of posts
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        And secondly / name the potential buyer with the climate like in Chukotka?

        USA. laughing
        1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 21: 18 New
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          USA.

          Well, then Canada laughing
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Alf
            USA.

            Well, then Canada laughing

            Grizzlies drive on the tundra. And then the bear drives them more often on the M-60.
    2. Mordvin 3 April 20 2020 21: 03 New
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      I wonder why Armata needed a Mediterranean climate for testing?

      Oil Saudi wring out. laughing
    3. SovAr238A April 20 2020 22: 17 New
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      I wonder why Armata needed a Mediterranean climate for testing?
      And why not Madagascar or Indonesian? Or even Chukchi.
      Or is there an insider infa?


      Yes, because the author of this opus (you can’t even call an article) to cling to, except for the Mediterranean - there is simply nothing to it.

      Although deserted in the Russian Federation is.
      Yes, and the same Mediterranean Syrian - it is on the subject if - Dagestan.
      One to one with Syria.

      But the author does not know about this.
      Therefore, he writes about the climate. how about a lifesaver.

      He never had any more arguments.
    4. private person April 21 2020 21: 51 New
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      And why not Madagascar or Indonesian? Or even Chukchi

      Forgotten Arctic. Or maybe Syria will become part of the Russian Federation? And that they will hold a referendum 99,9% will be in favor.
  • Grigory_45 April 20 2020 20: 10 New
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    Now on this map you have to mark the area with the Mediterranean climate

    What are you not comfortable with the Black Sea or the Far East? Or are there any special astral fields in Syria that help pass the tests?


    Quote: Volodin
    and the simultaneous conduct (God forbid) of hostilities.

    military operations interfere with testing (and this is what was announced). Or you are at war, or you are experiencing - everything will never work out. Especially ... tell me, how much time did the tanks spend in Siri? a couple of days, a week? What can you experience and bring in such a time? The rhetorical question is nothing.
    Do you know how they tested equipment in Afghanistan? the same Su-25, BMP-2, etc. No comparison with pokatushki in Syria. Because then it was necessary to really gain experience, to show the need for machines. In the case of Armata, the reasons are different.

    It would be much more useful to transfer tanks to linear units for controlled operation, so that they would be mastered by those who would later operate the equipment.
    But no, we drove the tank to Syria. Hype above all. And the patriots are satisfied, and they showed the world - Armata can ride not only in parades.
    And also because the tank will have to be sold. Because the native MO will obviously not indulge in orders
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      Or you are at war, or you are experiencing - everything will never work out.

      =======
      And here’s how you’ll fight against a technique that hasn’t been tested in battle — all the flaws that didn’t appear at all or seemed insignificant during trials or exercises - immediately and "get out"!
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      Quote: Gregory_45
      tell me how much time the tanks spent in Siri? a couple of days, a week?

      =======
      And where did you actually get the idea that they stayed there "a couple of days or a week"? Because Israeli and American satellites did not detect them there? So yesterday you have already demonstrated a FULL UNDERSTANDING of what space optical-electronic reconnaissance is and what its real possibilities are .....
      And HOW MUCH were they - the answer is known only to those who participated in this! You were there? No?
    2. Vasyan1971 April 20 2020 22: 15 New
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      Or you are at war, or you are experiencing - everything will never work out.

      Type, like the "Tigers" near Leningrad in the autumn of 1942.
  • Azazelo April 20 2020 21: 04 New
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    And also with Crimea as part of Russia;)
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    Of course, there won’t be a “tank grinder,” but checking the air conditioner in Syrian conditions or the functioning of the bathroom on the potholes of Syrian roads is not unnecessary.
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    Dear Reader! Now on this map you only have to mark the area with the Mediterranean climate and the simultaneous conduct (let God forbid) of military operations.

    You can for example bring the climate of the Astrakhan region or Kalmykia in the summer - there you will get everything you want. The Mediterranean has nothing to do with it - marine climate tests can be carried out in factory chambers, as well as tests with negative temperatures. So, for any experimental (serial) samples to be brought to Syria for utter nonsense, and most likely this decision was pushed by the industry purely for PR purposes, because there is a privacy regime in which it is clearly stated that all tests of secret developments are required to be carried out only on controlled territories, i.e. at our landfills.
    Everything is simple here. After all, the tank is not yet in service with the RF Armed Forces, although the contract was previously concluded. Therefore, the machine that goes through the final revision is primarily in the hands of industry. Manturov is responsible for the industry.

    And here you are misinterpreting everything - R&D was at the expense of the Ministry of Defense and no one has the right to conduct tests outside the territory of Russia without the permission of the gas customer. Only if the gas supplier refuses to develop, and only with his consent it is POSSIBLE to test the secret product in the interests of another customer. So Manturov must have received permission from the Ministry of Defense for such tests, if they certainly were.
    And given that “Almaty” has a high export potential, it would be strange to miss the opportunity to test a new generation tank under conditions that could well match the climate conditions of potential customers.

    I think that you have no idea which test chambers are available at specialized pedagogical events - there you will not only be reproduced by the Syrian climate, but also by the tropics, and I don’t even talk about thermal differences - in real conditions it is very difficult to do, but here at the factory easily.
    For a preliminary assessment of the work of a tank gun, a few shots are enough - to organize a show with massive shelling of the positions of the militants is not necessary.

    I don’t know who told you this, but keep in mind that when shooting cannons, they constantly make various measurements, including the wear of the barrel. And how will you do this in the field with a factory team and sophisticated equipment in Syria? Before writing an article, you would consult with at least one military representative how correctly you understand the factory test program, not to mention the privacy regime.
  • Keeping April 20 2020 19: 25 New
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    And why on your map Crimea is not ours?
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      Elementary.
      Because it was drawn up before the annexation of Crimea.
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      And why on your map Crimea is not ours?

      Because it is a map of the USSR
      1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 24 New
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        Because it is a map of the USSR

        Put a plus. then he thought - during the Union Crimea was not ours? belay
        1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 20: 33 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Put a plus. then he thought - during the Union Crimea was not ours?

          Crimea was part of the Ukrainian SSR
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            The USSR was part of the USSR. wink Then they would have written "Map of the RSFSR."
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              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The USSR was part of the USSR.

              Yes I did. Therefore, Crimea on the map as a territory of the Ukrainian SSR
              Then they would have written "Map of the RSFSR."

              Well yes. On the map of the USSR did not guess to write a map of the RSFSR
    3. kot28.ru April 22 2020 15: 54 New
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      And he is yours, that is Ukrainian, NEVER AND WAS hi
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  • ApJlekuHo April 20 2020 20: 35 New
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    For testing, our tanks do not need to be exported anywhere, our country is quite large and climatically diverse.


    Video of a tank in Syria in the studio. Up to this point, all these conversations are like peas on a wall. Passing tests in Russia - video to the studio. Adults are sitting and wondering “likes dislikes”. Tired of chatter ..
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      Video of a tank in Syria in the studio.

      But nothing that these frames can be secret?
      Tired of chatter ..

      Do not know how to exit the site? request
  • Grits April 21 2020 08: 22 New
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    For testing, our tanks do not need to be exported anywhere, our country is quite large and climatically diverse.

    Instead of the Syrian desert, Kalmykia or Astrakhan would be very suitable. And if you want moist warm sea air - welcome to us in Primorye.
  • really April 20 2020 19: 03 New
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    If you were lucky in the summer, when the heat and dust storms, then it’s understandable, but if in winter, then there’s mud, there are enough rains in Russia at the landfills.
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    Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts, now Armata shoots from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

    You carried out your report from the hut - everything is clear with you! laughing
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      You carried out your report from the hut

      On a three-window earns laughing
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    For a preliminary assessment of the work of a tank gun, a few shots are enough - to organize a show with massive shelling of the positions of the militants is not necessary.

    And it is also not necessary to transfer to Syria, this can also be done at the training ground.
    A real combat test is possible only in the conditions of active opposition - when the combat vehicle fights off anti-tank missiles, and even destroys the enemy’s fire weapons. Something like that, probably.
    1. Lipchanin April 20 2020 19: 35 New
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      this can be done at the landfill.

      Yes, no training ground can compare with a real war
      Well, why do you think that designers were just drawn to the war?
      Extreme wanted?
      Or maybe they better know what exactly it was necessary to experience in Syria in the war
      1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 20: 22 New
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        Well, why do you think that designers were just drawn to the war?

        Are you sure that the designers? No tester or facilitator, being in a sober mind, will not write such items into the test program.
        This can only be done in an emergency case - when it is necessary to prove the need for a car, to break through someone’s shortsighted torso. This is a very good argument when the technique shows its best side in the war.
        Only here with the "Armata" past. No matter how she shows herself, the MO will not have more money for it. And so that the technique shows itself, it must not be kept in the hangar, but sent into battle. However, no one saw the tank in battle, and did not even hear about it. The problem.

        And everything becomes clearer if we assume that the tank is being prepared for export. A trip to Syria is a promotion in all its glory. Despite the fact that potential buyers will not particularly wonder: "what kind of strange tests are these?" Over time, this will be forgotten, and only 1000 times left repeated “the tank was at war”.
        The tank is definitely better than the T-90 (if the "Armata", of course, is not "degreased"), and the Chinese do not care at all - their hands scratch their guts in the guts of the tank.
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          Are you sure that the designers? No tester or facilitator, being in a sober mind, will not write such items into the test program.

          How about that?

          Russia has tested more than 600 weapons and equipment in Syria, including new aviation weapons and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said today.

          “All practically new models, all the new products have gone through the Syrian conflict, in order to be able to see what real characteristics, how the weapons behave. We tested over 600 samples in the Syrian conflict, ”Borisov said on Thursday at the Army 2017 forum. According to him, new aviation equipment, new means of destruction, MLRS, protected cars, new equipment were tested.

          “We had to refuse a number of samples, because practice has shown that the samples did not withstand the requirements that were imposed on them,” Borisov said. He added that industry representatives are constantly present at the Khmeimim airbase, which eliminate or record comments.

          According to Vedomosti, as a result of hostilities in Syria, various kinds of technical problems were identified that would hardly have manifested themselves in a different situation. These issues include issues of operation of avionics of the latest Russian attack aircraft Su-34 and Su-35, including software, compatibility of the latest weapons with on-board equipment of long-range aircraft, as well as the reliability of airborne defense systems designed to protect aircraft from man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS). Among the samples of weapons, the purchase of which was suspended after testing in combat conditions, called air-launched cruise missiles, communications and electronic intelligence.

          Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said in May that in Syria “86% of flight personnel, including 75% of long-range crews, 79% of operational-tactical, 88% of military transport and 89% of army aviation (helicopters) gained combat experience."

          Well, who tested them?
          However, no one saw the tank in battle, and did not even hear about it

          Did he have to be shown to everyone and told to everyone?
          Quote from the article
          It is possible that at the moment, the American and Israeli military are trying to find that coveted shot with the T-14 test in Syria among streaming data from spy satellites. But if the frame has not yet been presented, then this does not mean that there was no Syrian testing.

          Show on the official portals of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Defense or on the manufacturer’s website? So everything has its time. They will show.
          1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 21: 42 New
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            According to "Vedomosti", as a result of hostilities in Syria, various kinds of technical problems were identified

            With reference to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation? In this case, they flogged themselves. They tried to present a "huge work done", and said the following.
            So, Vedomosti says that defective equipment is coming into the arsenal of the RF Armed Forces. Not only that, it turns out that these defects were not previously detected - neither during the testing process (the question is - who tests how and how they are accepted into service. Who produces how and how - accepts the VP). And this is a question of how the service, the operation of equipment and the conduct of exercises are organized. If the defects remained hidden, then combat training is lame. And this, by the way, is the defense capability of the state. Such are the conclusions from the report on Syria, according to your Vedomosti. It’s worth considering.
            So either Vedomosti is embellished, or they revealed something very unpleasant.

            Quote: Lipchanin
            Did he have to be shown to everyone and told to everyone?

            a person has eyes. Did you not know? negative Syria is not a region of Mars
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              a person has eyes. Did you not know? Syria is not a region of Mars

              Yes. How many people shared the meteorite near Chelyabinsk? How much did he fall there?
              How many people shared the burned "Armata" in Ukraine?
              Everything is somehow muddy ...
              1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 22: 41 New
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                Yes. How many people shared the meteorite near Chelyabinsk? How much did he fall there?

                Seen - thousands. Many even managed to start shooting video on the phone (among them was the author of this comment)
                And the example of Ukraine is unsuccessful. What the “cyborgs” didn’t see there - and Almaty, and nuclear bombing, and laser cheburashki, and horse divers. Information war.
                As for Syria, our technique was whipped quite quickly. She did not have time to appear there, as soon as messages arrived. And not from our MO (it, as a rule, thoroughly slowed down with comments) - either from our sworn friends, or from the same Syrians.
                Modern wars - they are all in the frame. Look at the same barmaley - they take everything off. And their own shares, and how the Russian and Syrian forces work. A couple of turntables have arrived, they are working on the building, there are bearded ones in the distance and they shoot everything on smartphones.
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                  And the example of Ukraine is unsuccessful. What the “cyborgs” didn’t see there - and Almaty, and nuclear bombing, and laser cheburashki, and horse divers.

                  Why is this "unsuccessful"? Namely, that screams to heaven, and real evidence - zilch.
                  With a meteorite it’s the same, just the opposite: time is a bit, and the whole Internet is full of photos.
              2. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 36 New
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                The meteorite fell for several minutes - full of video ..
                They drove the tank, allegedly, for several days / weeks - not a single eye ..))
                Conclusion - either they didn’t drive him there, or they drove him in a barn under a canopy ..
      2. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 33 New
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        "Many units and parts can be tested without attack
        Well, who will risk the prototype? Who would take such a risk of losing a car? "

        After 5 minutes, the same person:

        "Yes, no training ground can compare with a real war
        Well, why do you think that designers were just drawn to the war? "

        He either argues with himself, or jokes like that, or .. Hmm ..
  • Strashila April 20 2020 19: 21 New
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    If it was tested in combat conditions, then naturally it was not in the first line of attack. With the second as fire support for the attackers. See how attack warning systems work in real combat situations. it is possible.
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      If it was tested in combat conditions, then naturally it was not in the first line of attack. With the second as fire support for the attackers.

      Where in Syria such a miracle happened? A tank attack with two lines and no one with a charged phone nearby formed. Neither their own nor others ...
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    Well, all the equipment that is being built for the Moscow Region is produced just by enterprises under the control of the Manturov Ministry. He is aware of all the developments and KNOWS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPED TECHNIQUE MUCH MUCH MORE THAN MOST OF THE OFFICERS OF THE STAFF. Running in the Middle East climate is also a good thing. Not participation in the database, but hauls - maintenance, verification of reliability and operational properties. Another thing - why is this voiced? Most likely to interest potential buyers. The more countries they are interested in, the faster mass production will begin. And if foreign orders go, then the cost price for yourself will decrease.
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      Well, all the equipment that is being built for the Moscow Region is produced just by enterprises under the control of the Manturov Ministry.

      Actually, military envoys carry out control over the equipment for the Ministry of Defense and other power structures - this structure in the Ministry of Defense has not yet been completely destroyed.
      Quote: g1v2
      He is up to date on all developments

      This is not entirely true - there are small productions in the structures of the Ministry of Defense, where industry is not allowed out of the word at all.
      Quote: g1v2
      AND KNOWS ABOUT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPED EQUIPMENT MUCH MUCH MORE THAN MOST OF THE OFFICERS OF THE GENERAL STAFF.

      And the officers of the General Staff are not obliged to know the details, because for this there are ordering departments and special research institutes of the Ministry of Defense, which have their own scientific thought, which is able to formulate what will be laid down in the equipment being created. But according to the experience of exploitation, industry, I did not even dream of the experience that is available in the Ministry of Defense - at least they make complaints and are aware of all the shortcomings of the industry.
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      Running in the Middle East climate is also a good thing.

      First you need to understand what you mean by the word "run-in" - these are serial or prototypes, because to conduct factory tests abroad of equipment that is not accepted for service is not only costly, but also dangerous from the point of view of leakage of classified information.
      Quote: g1v2
      Another thing - why is this voiced?

      The industry needs to be shown how cool they are with us, and Manturov decided to boast, although I can’t imagine how the secret equipment will be handed over to someone without the permission of the Gas Station.
      Quote: g1v2
      The more countries they are interested in, the faster mass production will begin.

      It’s not at all a fact - if countries that we still have to give credit to are interested in this, then, given the experience of Libya, Iraq or Algeria, this may not happen at all.

      Quote: g1v2
      And if foreign orders go, then the cost price for yourself will decrease.

      It reminded me of this New Vasyuki. Who will buy this equipment if it has not replaced the old park with us and it is still unclear when this will happen.
  • knn54 April 20 2020 19: 31 New
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    In February of this year, it was reported to UVZ that the supply of Armat will begin this year.
    Now he has stated that serial deliveries of the T-14 to the army will begin in 2021.
    We are writing to eliminate the comments identified in Syria and wait a year. We waited more.
  • smaug78 April 20 2020 19: 32 New
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    Author, please read the conditions under which tanks are tested in Russia and think again. And to test a tank on bearded men is generally ridiculous ... BMP, armored personnel carrier, tank support vehicle, but not a tank on infantry.
    1. garri-lin April 20 2020 19: 46 New
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      And what is the tank to test if not on the infantry, on difficult terrain? On airplanes?
      1. smaug78 April 20 2020 20: 06 New
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        and the armored personnel carrier on tanks, everything is logical ... That the barmaley will have joys and others, from the shaitans the pipes "Armata" were knocked out ...
        1. garri-lin April 20 2020 20: 14 New
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          That will be the joy of the designers, developers, engineers, and TD and T P. When the barmaley get sick of shooting at Armata. To no avail. For everything that is installed on Armata worked properly. And the tank was not injured.
          1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 20: 27 New
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            When the barmalei get sick of shooting at Armata. To no avail.

            There are no a priori invulnerable tanks. wink Remember. how many Jews shouted about the invulnerability of their Carrots, but in Lebanon they were lowered from heaven to earth.
            1. garri-lin April 20 2020 20: 37 New
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              Well, I’m figurative. It is clear that any equipment with any level of protection can be destroyed. If you try. But still I think, in hypothetical conditions for the use of T14 in Syria, it will be more difficult to destroy Armata than other tank models. Maybe even the barmalei will get tired and give up their attempts earlier than they succeed. Or the ammunition runs out.
              1. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 40 New
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                "Maybe even barmaley will get tired and give up their attempts earlier than they succeed. Or the ammunition will end. "

                Iron argument ..))
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                  Armata is very big-eyed. In fact, a return line will arrive for every shot within a few seconds. For greater clarity, the word Ustanut needed to be quoted. Tired of quickly ending.
          2. smaug78 April 20 2020 20: 53 New
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            You are probably a pioneer, since you believe in fairy tales? 41 years, remember the Russian-Finnish war ...
    2. Lipchanin April 20 2020 21: 06 New
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      Quote: smaug78
      but not a tank in the infantry.

      Have bearded men no tanks? belay
  • smaug78 April 20 2020 19: 34 New
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    area with a Mediterranean climate
    And which countries with this climate are potential buyers?
    One test of cross-border transfer of equipment is already an invaluable experience

    And before this experience was not ...
  • Volga073 April 20 2020 19: 37 New
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    Logical article!
    1. Grigory_45 April 20 2020 20: 27 New
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      Quote: Volga073
      Logical article!


      What is a "logical article"?
      There is a logical operation, logical elements, even logical games) But the article ?!
      1. Terenin April 20 2020 22: 56 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: Volga073
        Logical article!


        What is a "logical article"?
        There is a logical operation, logical elements, even logical games) But the article ?!

        A colleague obviously wanted to compare the article with female logic winked
        Like, - there is already a scandal, but there are no reasons yet what
      2. Lara Croft April 20 2020 23: 27 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: Volga073
        Logical article!

        What is a "logical article"?

        Comrade sir, excuse me, have you decided what?
        The article seems to express the author’s thoughts, they are structured ...
        According to the article itself, is there anything to say or do you write an answer to someone else’s comment when its author is already almost an hour away from the forum?
  • Zastupnik April 20 2020 19: 40 New
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    The reason for the T-14 tests in the SAR is a unique combination of the ability to use armored vehicles in areas where hostilities are taking place, with the possibility of “running in” in special climatic conditions.

    Here I agree with the author .. One thing is our training ground and another territory where the war is going on .. This is a real test and it’s not just a head-on attack, etc. ..This is a tank of a different generation and capabilities!
    so that the tank begins to enter the troops truly brought to mind and with the worked out various modes of its use.

    That is how it should be ..! Russia has no right to make mistakes in the current situation of the world .. hi
  • demo April 20 2020 19: 43 New
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    I’m two and a half kiloparsec from understanding how weapons are tested.
    But even to my amateur brain, one thing is clear 0 - in the Russian Federation there are climate chambers where you can recreate ANY climate zone.
    You want the deserts of Arabia, you want Equatorial Africa with its humidity.
    Do you want the Arctic coast of the Laptev Sea.
    And most importantly - there is no danger of an unscheduled extraordinary situation - bearded boys.
    Neither Manturov, nor the rest of the responsible and irresponsible people who are endeared to grind with their tongues do not inspire confidence in me.
  • A. Privalov April 20 2020 19: 47 New
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    In the western provinces of the SAR, including Latakia and Idlib - high humidity and high air salinity - the Mediterranean Sea makes itself felt.

    In Latakia, humidity and salinity are not more than in any coastal city - Odessa or Sevastopol. In Idlib, the climate is like in Rostov-on-Don. I myself live on the seashore about 400 kilometers south of Latakia. We have great weather.
    It is possible that at the moment, the American and Israeli military are trying to find that coveted shot with the T-14 test in Syria among streaming data from spy satellites.

    I don’t know what the USA is looking for, but Israel is not looking for anything.
    The fact is that Israel took into account the experience of the Doomsday War and it’s simply impossible to get there from Syria today by tank.
    A gun firing sighting for four kilometers with a tail is interesting only to specialists and nothing more.
    The era of tank coverage, wedges and frontal strikes has sunk into oblivion, and with the advent of Spike complexes operating at distances of 1 to 25 km, the tactics of dealing with advancing columns of armored vehicles received a completely new development.
    Probably, the T-14 Armata tank is a very good tank, but this is not our problem at all. hi
    1. businessv April 20 2020 20: 06 New
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      Quote: A. Privalov
      In Latakia, humidity and salinity are not more than in any coastal city - Odessa or Sevastopol.
      Offer to test there?
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The era of tank coverage, wedges and frontal strikes has sunk into oblivion,

      Therefore, your military department does not remove from service Merkava and produces heavy infantry fighting vehicles?
      1. A. Privalov April 20 2020 20: 49 New
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        Quote: businessv
        Offer to test there?
        Quote: A. Privalov
        The era of tank coverage, wedges and frontal strikes has sunk into oblivion,

        Therefore, your military department does not remove from service Merkava and produces heavy infantry fighting vehicles?

        Let them test where they like. Decided to roll out on the seashore? Ride to health. They want a little sand - ours is with a brush. For your money - any whim.
        In Latakia, I repeat, the climate of any coastal city.
        In fact, if they said that they were rolled around the eastern part of Syria, this would be a real check. Rocky desert pebbles with sizes from fist / head to garbage container. The channel of streams and pershoes rivers 3-5 meters deep, dips and delights. Sandstones crumbling into powder and volcanic rocks such as basalt ... In winter, again, it is good when rainwater is not absorbed into the soil, but goes in a continuous stream rolling stones.
        Everything else is a resort. Waste of money.
        Merkava already have, what to shoot them? Heavy infantry fighting vehicles are a careful use of the existing fleet of old and captured equipment. They are to support infantry in urban conditions, special operations on our theater, and so on. Non-standard.
        1. businessv April 20 2020 21: 57 New
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          In fact, if they said that they were rolled around the eastern part of Syria, this would be a real check.

          We can ride it and we have where, and the landscapes are much more abrupt than you described, you certainly agree that the main thing is combat break-in, the details of which we will never know. I take Manturov’s statements even less seriously than I’m thinking about what he stated, so I definitely don’t intend to break the spears, proving his words! hi
          1. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 48 New
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            "The main thing is a combat run-in, the details of which we will never know."
            Apparently, a hyperboloid .. no less .. since no one will ever know about it ..
            Of course, this is not a tank ... but something alien .. not subject to the human mind ..
            1. businessv April 21 2020 12: 59 New
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              Of course, this is not a tank ... but something alien .. not subject to the human mind ..

              If you have nothing to write, do it - do not write anything! Do you know much about trials, for example, the Wasp complex? Share, and I read - because you think that everyone should know about this ?! And at the same time I will appreciate it because I was one of the testers.
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                You don’t write (and you’re doing it right, apparently early). Why are you provoking others? Are you calculating the talkers? wink
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                  Chatterboxes calculate?

                  Just answered the man at his cue. Chatterboxes exist to chat! And the Wasp is already a pretty outdated complex, and you should not write about it.
  • Paranoid50 April 20 2020 19: 55 New
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    we must not forget about the special group of “experts” who are not so in any case:
    Well, these dump trucks can be shipped. fellow However, they have already climbed - and everything is "fresh", but with a smell. laughing
  • businessv April 20 2020 20: 02 New
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    For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the main thing is that the tank begins to enter the troops truly brought to mind and with the worked out various modes of its use.
    It is difficult to disagree with this, but the statements of someone from our blessed government, as a rule, cause a healthy feeling of doubt about the fact that the bulk of the employees of this institution do not go beyond statements, unfortunately! And the competencies of most of our bureaucrats also cause a huge range of emotions, far from positive!
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  • Free wind April 20 2020 20: 27 New
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    What a strange test, and opinions. What can a tanker burned out along with a tank during the hostilities tell. ????? What could the Germans say that the Tiger had screwed up at the end of 42 years ????? Well Hitler wanted a tank, got it. And what's next, ask the crew of the lost TIGER, interested designers. Well, he got it, and we ran away?!?! Is this a very large amount of information for designers ?. WHAT CAN THE DIED TANKIST CAN TELL ???? What can you learn from a burned tank in battle? This armata has problems with electronics, video cameras with decent resolution are needed. They need 14 pieces at least. 4 in the turret for aiming guns, and for review all that is happening in the sky. And 10 on the case. They have not yet made glass optics with the characteristics of an armored steel. Therefore, a lot. The commander must see everything that is happening around. We need helmets of virtual reality, how else to look back? A ride around the city is one thing, but fighting and staying alive is another.
    1. Victorio April 20 2020 21: 58 New
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      This armata has problems with electronics,

      ====
      I think the Syrian model was all in order with electronics.
      1. Roman123567 April 20 2020 23: 53 New
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        Probably, with everything else in this sample, too, was everything all right ?? (and why only with electronics)

        And then, one asks what to experience, if everything is all right ..))
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          Probably, with everything else in this sample, too, was everything all right ?? (and why only with electronics)

          And then, the question is, what to experience if everything is alright..))

          ====
          the meaning of the test is to work at the limit / extreme situation in order to find out the boundaries of possibilities. so somehow
  • Victor March 47 April 20 2020 20: 30 New
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    If you consider that the Armata tank is not really a tank, but the WEAPON SYSTEM, the platform on which many different pieces of iron will be installed, testing the prototype of the platform opens up the possibility of assessing in advance the performance of a whole galaxy of vehicles.
  • really April 20 2020 20: 41 New
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    Strange proposed extreme conditions, zamusunuyut.
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    For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the main thing is that the tank begins to enter the troops truly brought to mind and with the worked out various modes of its use.


    Very competent and balanced ...
  • huntsman650 April 20 2020 21: 07 New
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    Tankers, please leave feedback about the new tank!
    1. Ingvar 72 April 20 2020 21: 34 New
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      Tankers, please leave feedback about the new tank!

      They are almost gone. request
    2. Alexga April 20 2020 22: 19 New
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      Leave a review. This is not a tank yet, but a R&D development far from real need. I think that the issue of taking this product into service will be closed. Too many unresolved issues.
      1. ccsr April 22 2020 18: 42 New
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        Quote: AlexGa
        This is not a tank yet, but a R&D development far from real need.

        Judging by the fact that there are only ten of them (according to various sources, about 20), these are just prototypes and not even a small series.
        Quote: AlexGa
        I think that the issue of adopting this product for arms will be closed.

        The lobbyists from the military-industrial complex will not allow this - I think they will take it into service, but not in the quantities that our industry dreamed about, because this tyagomotin dragged on.

        Quote: AlexGa
        Too many unresolved issues.

        I agree. And the most important thing is the price of the issue, and what it will result in if we don’t buy it abroad.
    3. Terenin April 20 2020 23: 29 New
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      Tankers, please leave feedback about the new tank!

      That's it yes And, then, from all the explanations about the tank, I realized one thing: where the gun goes, the tower goes there winked
  • Keeping April 20 2020 21: 39 New
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    Armata Tests:
    1. Delivered railway transport to the port.
    2. Immersed in the BDK
    3. Passed through the straits.
    4. Unloaded in Tartus.
    5. On the platform drove through Syria.
    6. Fired a few shots.
    7. Made a report for the May 9 show.
    8. On a tank truck delivered to the port
    9. Waiting for loading on vehicles.
  • Ross xnumx April 20 2020 21: 41 New
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    Strange tests, if:
    It is possible that at the moment, the American and Israeli military are trying to find that coveted shot with the T-14 test in Syria among streaming data from spy satellites.

    The only reason for conducting such tests is to check the navigation system and, accordingly, to shoot at a tip precisely in Syria ... Although, what we are not given to know, we will not know.
    For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the main thing is that the tank begins to enter the troops truly brought to mind with worked out various modes of its application.

    Judging by the time of debugging is slowly. And where to rush, because it’s not a war ...
    I can assume that the bulk of users are interested in the survivability parameters of the tank and its ability to accurately shoot with various ammunition. All other parameters on the chassis and power plant could be carried out at home without tension ...
  • A. Privalov April 20 2020 21: 55 New
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    In general, if you think carefully, it’s not so easy to drag a couple of tanks weighing 50 tons each for 5 thousand kilometers. You can’t put it on a civilian ship. Need some military vehicle. Not every such cargo is adapted to carry, but, let's say. Where should he land in order to lower the tank ashore? And close to the shore, it’s not particularly suitable to approach it. In a civilian port? At naval bases it’s a bit crowded, and it’s not easy to attach a ramp to the level of the corresponding oh. Then, it needs to be brought to the platform and delivered somewhere ... And then, all this is in the reverse order ....
    In a word, around these tests one hassle per thousand tons.
    Well, I wouldn’t give a full guarantee that no one there had noticed this movement.
    I remember that the S-300 was hidden from the eyes of strangers. And they sorted it into pieces and made some mists on the shore, but nothing helped. And here - whole tanks. The town, on a hill two kilometers from the port in Latakia, is called Skuben, as there is a port from any roof, in full view.
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      And in Tartus, it’s easier to make an observation. There, in general, there are plenty of free approaches, and residential quarters are very suitable.
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    just to think how to sell ... managers
  • Victor March 47 April 20 2020 22: 13 New
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    Quote: demo
    I’m two and a half kiloparsec from understanding how weapons are tested.
    But even to my amateur brain, one thing is clear 0 - in the Russian Federation there are climate chambers where you can recreate ANY climate zone.
    You want the deserts of Arabia, you want Equatorial Africa with its humidity.
    Do you want the Arctic coast of the Laptev Sea.
    And most importantly - there is no danger of an unscheduled extraordinary situation - bearded boys.
    Neither Manturov, nor the rest of the responsible and irresponsible people who are endeared to grind with their tongues do not inspire confidence in me.

    Since I professionally had to be in the ranks of developers and manufacturers of military hardware, I will not reduce a couple of parsecs from your knowledge. Since the development is carried out not from the floundering bay, but according to the approved terms of reference (for the warriors according to the Tactical and Technical requirements), the whole body is finished with the production of the approved number of experimental products that are tested according to the Program and Test Methodology adopted again with the warriors, in which all types and methods of violence against iron are indicated. At first, they were neat, in laboratory rooms, in different chambers — heat, cold, freezing, shaking, beating with hammered sledgehammers on stands, X-rayed, etc. I had to test my piece of iron for transport shaking. 1000 km off-road, at a speed of 60 km / h, as recorded in the TTT. And the military representative wanted me to, as I was the leading designer, be present in spontaneity. So I rode with the driver. Assigned a route. Every day he noted mileage, as expected, kept a test book. You can, of course, make Sahara in Norilsk, with sand, heat. and other delights .... But, here it is difficult to drive hundreds of thousands of kilometers laid there. Grind the sand, passing thousands of times in the same place. A track, without zagogulin can not be done. Space is not enough in our vast country. Better, faster, and cheaper, after all, in the Sahara itself .... And you do not need to prove to the bureaucrat-colonel that you rode on equal footing. You understand, it is difficult to make conditions equal. Sugar in the tundra. Can you SEPARATELY SEPARATE, and SEPARATELY, while lying down? It’s easy. So in a chamber with a heat of 60º comrade Celsius you can’t ride.
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      Like, rightly say, the first impression. Next, contradict yourself too ...
      Further: “Better, faster, and cheaper, after all, in the Sahara itself” ... Emotions? Well, yes, we also had ch. Division engineer who claimed that antifreeze "boils at 90g."
    2. ccsr April 22 2020 18: 55 New
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      (at the warrior - according to the Tactical and Technical requirements),

      In fact, it is customary for the military to call the Tactical and Technical Assignment for Research (R&D).
      Quote: Victor March 47
      And the military representative wanted me to, as I was the leading designer, be present in spontaneity. So I rode with the driver.

      The military representative is not a commander and he could not demand anything from you - it was your head of the company who put you in the cockpit, because a developer representative was required at all stages of the tests.
      Quote: Victor March 47
      Better, faster, and cheaper, after all, in the Sahara itself ....

      Have you ever encountered restrictions on the secrecy regime for prototypes with a secrecy stamp? I think they did not come across, otherwise they would not have remembered the Sahara. In Soviet times, even by plane on GA internal lines, not everything was allowed to be transported, because they were afraid of hijacking and hijacking an airplane abroad - that’s how the situation really was.
      Quote: Victor March 47
      And to prove to the bureaucrat-colonel that you rode in equal conditions, it is not necessary.

      Nonsense is complete, because it is precisely the colonels who know all the details of creating a unique technique, but the generals are mainly told about the results. And these colonels just know that industry can really, and act as the main link in coordinating the irrepressible requirements of the commanders and the real capabilities of the designers. Superficially, you know all this, and that’s sparing with stamps.
  • Victor March 47 April 20 2020 22: 40 New
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    Probably, the T-14 Armata tank is a very good tank, but this is not our problem at all.

    Personally, I would be happy from this circumstance.
  • notingem April 20 2020 22: 49 New
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    Yes, soon Golikov will begin to rearrange the divisions. And the tasks of submarines are voiced. Lepota! Shoigu and the President seem to be out of business. And there you look and Chubais will catch up
  • surfdude April 20 2020 22: 54 New
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    "Was there a boy?" "
    1. Nikolaevich I April 21 2020 04: 46 New
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      It would really be nice to test new equipment in the conditions of another country - and even when the service is carried out not by the engineers from the factory, but by the military themselves. In addition, there is a popular belief that the fighting equipment goes well for export. Perhaps all this would be true, if not for the main fact - so far no representative of the single Armata platform has even reached normal trials in ordinary military units of Russia.

      And then immediately a foreign trip - and the war!

      The car is raw, and it’s still not clear what will change in it and how it will go into production (if at all). Is it too early? Wouldn’t it turn out that you’ll have to redo everything a lot, as it happened with the wheeled Boomerang?
      The very nature of the test raises questions. Interestingly, not one of the representatives of the Armata family in Syria lit up in the photo. Maybe counterintelligence works well after punctures with BMPT and Su-57 ... But still, if Armata went to fight, it would certainly have got into the frame - you won’t catch all Syrians with phones. Yes, and it’s unlikely that they would risk a car - if something had happened, the reputation of the tank could no longer be washed.
      Most likely, if there was a business trip, then it passed according to the BMPT type in 2017. They brought it for a few days, drove it around the base a bit and took it back to Russia. They called it all combat tests and were very proud of them. There were even statements that after such success foreign orders were about to go.
      But three years have passed, and BMPT is still not really needed by anyone (the Algerian contract, if it exists, has not yet been confirmed, and no one is making new BMPTs). Maybe with “Armata” everything is just “window dressing”, an attempt to push the project at any cost. So was the trip of “Armata” to Syria? Dont clear. But if so, then I think soon a photo will still pop up. And then will this trip affect the fate of the platform? More likely no than yes.

      Details on warhead.su:
      https://warhead.su/2020/04/20/siriyskaya-komandirovka-armaty-byla-li-platforma-na-ispytaniyah
  • Maks1995 April 20 2020 23: 12 New
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    One blurted out 3 words - dozens of articles are written
  • lvov_aleksey April 21 2020 00: 32 New
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    I'm not in a hurry, and then we will see the result.
    I'm more interested in f-1 - the beginning of the World Cup
  • MA3UTA April 21 2020 02: 34 New
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    The meaning of many comments))
    And who told you that war needs war to test?




    Why test new cars on the track? - The tires will be erased, the extra mileage.
    Why arrange a tasting of new dishes? - they’ll just be eaten ..
    Indeed, for military equipment war is not needed as a test.

    The parade is enough .. yeah
  • Stalllker April 21 2020 04: 07 New
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    I have doubts that I was there. On any where yes it was lit up. And so, not a single photo is from the earth, not from space
  • sanik2020 April 21 2020 10: 55 New
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    I had the right to say, I did not have the right to say, so maybe for that I said something to sit and listen and what the rest would say.
  • iouris April 21 2020 11: 46 New
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    The reason is unclear, the goal is to win the information war.
  • Vladimir April 21 2020 14: 33 New
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    Quote: Lipchanin
    Yes, it seems like no one saw them in Orcain

    So probably they didn’t act in Voentorg and no one saw it.
  • Alexfu April 21 2020 14: 58 New
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    The pro-Westerners are feeling bad, the country is starting to rise from its knees - it’s bad, somewhere the problems in the country are bad, you’ve already decided, and then, like two rams on the bridge, you’re butting yourself. And the tank is normal, now it’s probably going to go into series, if only nobody would interfere, and most importantly, do not let the pro-Westerners into it for a cannon shot, otherwise they will unscrew something and sell it to their owners.)
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      GUYS !! Why are we so excited? Is it so degraded on self-isolation?
      According to the article: What can be tested (checked, measured, tried), what cannot be done on the territory of the Russian Federation?
      On the topic of the article (statement) of the Minister: - this does not concern directly, and not first of all (IMHO). Well, if he had said that the industry of the Russian Federation, taking into account the results of development, allows producing, allocating funds (deductions for municipalities) for delivery 1000 Fragments per year, for launching not only RTOs, but also frigates, destroyers, minesweepers (in bulk), submarines in the required quantity (regardless of the number sold to third countries), then, probably, one could be glad, and dream where else to direct our unbridled energy.
      Although ... it seems that now everyone can declare, and anything else, they will not be called to answer.
      All of health.
      1. ccsr April 22 2020 18: 58 New
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        Quote: AAG
        According to the article: What can be tested (checked, measured, tried), what cannot be done on the territory of the Russian Federation?

        Absolutely everything can be done, and most importantly, much cheaper and better. And the developers and the military will have less hemorrhoids - this is a fact.
  • Victor March 47 April 21 2020 17: 46 New
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    Quote: AAG
    Like, rightly say, the first impression. Next, contradict yourself too ...
    Further: “Better, faster, and cheaper, after all, in the Sahara itself” ... Emotions? Well, yes, we also had ch. Division engineer who claimed that antifreeze "boils at 90g."

    Yes, what emotions? If TTT is resistant to tropical wet or dry conditions? Which Kazakhstan? Which Uzbekistan? This, after all, is not easy to come and stand in a hangar or in a heat chamber for a month! If you yourself didn’t have to, then, cues about boiling antifreeze, bring in a flop.
  • tarakan April 21 2020 18: 02 New
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    The first time I see so many cons wassat
  • Victor March 47 April 21 2020 18: 08 New
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    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    "So far, not a single representative of the single Armata platform has even reached normal trials in ordinary military units of Russia."



    Do not write about what you do not know about. To transfer equipment to the army for testing means to finish factory tests, to transfer documentation for the industrial production of the experimental batch, to train the military, to provide them with more than one set of weapons, to draw up methods. programs and stuff. More importantly, for the designer, at least not military reviews, but the exact load figures, the degree of deterioration, strength tests and much more obtained in the field, LABORATORY conditions, when the machine is hung with sensors, and the results are examined under microscopes. You don’t learn anything like that from the sergeant-driver. Before this comes the turn. As far as I understand, the war will not be tomorrow, but if anything is enough, it’s enough to brush aside the mongrel biting by the legs. There is time. And if, God forbid ..... Then no "Armata" will be needed. Sarmatians will be needed.
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    Now the Americans, as always, are throwing in fakes about the “possible” damage to the T-14 in Syria. I think if the tank receives real damage on military tests, that's great. Analysis of hits or failure of components and devices will give unique information that you can’t get at the training ground. Only real combat helps to improve the technique.
  • Victor March 47 April 21 2020 21: 39 New
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    Su-57 drove through Syria, worked bombing on huts, now Armata shoots from its 152mm. guns on pickups.

    Well, if there are people in the huts who dream of raping and stabbing your wife, then you will have a completely different opinion about the flights of these airplanes. How to destroy the same nonhumans in pickups.
    If you remain unconvinced, then you are one of those nonhumans.
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  • Victor March 47 April 21 2020 21: 57 New
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    In general, if you think carefully, it’s not so easy to drag a couple of tanks weighing 50 tons each for 5 thousand kilometers. You can’t put it on a civilian ship. Need some military vehicle. Not every such cargo is adapted to carry, but, let's say. Where should he land in order to lower the tank ashore? And close to the shore, it’s not particularly suitable to approach it. In a civilian port? At naval bases it’s a bit crowded, and it’s not easy to attach a ramp to the level of the corresponding oh. Then, it needs to be brought to the platform and delivered somewhere ... And then, all this is in the reverse order ....
    In a word, around these tests one hassle per thousand tons.
    Well, I wouldn’t give a full guarantee that no one there had noticed this movement.
    I remember that the S-300 was hidden from the eyes of strangers. And they sorted it into pieces and made some mists on the shore, but nothing helped. And here - whole tanks. The town, on a hill two kilometers from the port in Latakia, is called Skuben, as there is a port from any roof, in full view.

    Do not inflate a problem where it does not exist. Hundreds of thousands of tons are transported along the Syrian route. The problem is to bring a couple of tanks not for the Syrian comrades, who were brought in for them in bulk, but for full-scale tests, with the return and with the personnel accompanying these vehicles, instrumentation, and with the task to shoot according to the entire test procedure. Yes, it is a thousand times faster and cheaper than making similar conditions at landfills at home. Now, if your Jewish military set the task of making a tank for the polar conquests, then what would you do? Has it really begun to generate snow and set the weather at minus 50? Or talked with your fellow countrymen from Canada?
    So what do you think others are dumber than yourself?
    1. ccsr April 22 2020 13: 22 New
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      . Yes, it is a thousand times faster and cheaper than making similar conditions at landfills at home.

      No, it will not be cheaper - no need to fantasize, because testing is an expensive event, even in our territory.
      Quote: Victor March 47
      The problem is to bring a couple of tanks not for the Syrian comrades, who were brought in for them in bulk, but for full-scale tests, with the return and with the personnel accompanying these vehicles, instrumentation, and with the task to shoot according to the entire test procedure.

      And what have we already lined up for the purchase of this equipment, so that the unaccepted weapons of our army, already begin to sell abroad? And if the Indians want to buy, do we need to immediately bring a prototype to India?
      As for full-scale tests in Syria, this is complete nonsense - for our neighbors in Central Asia it would be cheaper and more diverse, and there would be less information leakage. I think that this whole “story” is sucked from the finger.
  • sergv131 April 22 2020 04: 14 New
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    Fig T14 with a gun 125! 152 should be put in series, and not send it to Syria!
    1. EvilLion April 22 2020 08: 38 New
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      Why do you need a 152 mm gun?
  • EvilLion April 22 2020 08: 29 New
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    They thought it necessary to experience something, and they are experiencing it. I don’t understand what the news is. In conditions of even a sluggish war, there is always something to check in a tank.
  • Dzafdet April 22 2020 09: 50 New
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    By this time, the United States already had a wide range of
    various nuclear artillery systems. The USSR lagged behind the USA for years
    15 years in the creation of small-caliber nuclear warheads for conventional
    guns. Only in 1964 did the design of the 240 mm 3BV4 mine begin in
    normal (range 9,5 km) and active-reactive (18 km) variants for
    240 mm mortars - towed M-240 and self-propelled "Tulip"; 203-
    3BV2 mm shell for a 203 mm B-4M howitzer (18 km) and 152 mm shell
    3BV3 for 152-mm howitzers - towed D-20 and self-propelled "Acacia" (17,4 km).
    Thus, both in the USA and in the USSR a tactical delivery vehicle
    Nuclear ammunition became conventional throwing artillery guns.
    In service with Russia:
    - 152-mm nuclear shell 3BV3 to self-propelled guns 2С19 Msta-S, 2С3 Acacia and
    towed guns D-20.
    - 180-mm shell ZBV1 for 180-mm gun C-23, MK-3-180 (coastal
    artillery, formerly fleet), firing range up to 45 km.
    - 203-mm shell 3BV2 to the self-propelled guns 2С7 "Peony", 203-mm howitzers B-4М,
    firing range from 18 km to 30 km.
    - 240-mm mines 3BV4 for mortars towed M-240 and self-propelled
    2C4 "Tulip". Normal firing range 9,5 km in
    Active Reactive Active Reactive 18 km.
    In the 80s in the USSR there were artillery shells and mines to
    mortars of caliber 152 mm, 203 mm, 240 mm - up to 2.000 pieces.


    So in the tank, no shells with nuclear warheads were used or developed.
  • Dzafdet April 22 2020 10: 01 New
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    Quote: knn54
    In February of this year, it was reported to UVZ that the supply of Armat will begin this year.
    Now he has stated that serial deliveries of the T-14 to the army will begin in 2021.
    We are writing to eliminate the comments identified in Syria and wait a year. We waited more.



    Uraltrac could not make an engine for Almaty, because of this a delay. Plus import substitution in electronics ...
  • Victor March 47 April 22 2020 12: 28 New
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    It’s been a long time since the media slipped that when using weapons in Syria, our military encountered some difficulties, there were distortions during laser guidance.

    It can be assumed that in Syria elements from "Almaty" were tested, for example: a laser rangefinder, anti-tank guiding system, laser radiation sensors. For this, a tank is not needed. A pair of boxes with equipment and several people.

    Well, for SUCH tests, you don’t need to go to Syria. It’s not difficult to find a polygon in 10 km. The COMPREHENSIVE tests in a climate which is not possible to imitate in Russia are important.
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      The COMPREHENSIVE tests in a climate which is not possible to imitate in Russia are important.

      now we have \ as we say the early summer in St. Petersburg.
      no more.
      N u can warm the trochs in the morning.