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Economists criticized draft budget for 2013-2015 years

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As you know, in any science there is as much truth as there is mathematics in it. However, even this seemingly reinforced concrete statement in recent times also needs to be improved. The fact is that in modern reality, it turns out, the same numbers can cause a stormy delight in some and a universal tragedy in others. Alone with the word "million" shouts: Wow! a million! And the other will say: well, only a million, so what? ..

Economists criticized draft budget for 2013-2015 years


Approximately this philosophy today surrounds such a document that integrates the main directions of the country's fiscal policy (ODB) for the 2013-2015 years. Those who are the authors of the document are obviously trying to prove to the average Russian that the development of Russia is proceeding according to a well-developed conceptual plan, but there is no flaw, of course, but still ... Those who decided to look for more philosophy in mathematics offer to look at the main directions of budget policy countries for the period 2013-15 as something that contradicts the very possibility of the country's development. To conduct a review of the positions of the two sides on such a serious matter, it is worth mentioning the opposing camps. On different sides of the barricades were such, of course, respected organizations, such as the Russian Ministry of Finance, headed by Anton Siluanov, and the Higher School of Economics, headed by its rector Yaroslav Kuzminov.

So on what basis could this barricade in general appear on Russian financial and economic grounds? The fact is that the website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation published the same document “BSS on 2013-2015 years”, in which the prospects for financing various sectors of economic activity are laid out on the shelves. Having read the fact that the ONBP is contained, the specialists of the Higher School of Economics decided that the authors of this document either do not understand themselves that their strategy will impede the full development of the country's economy, or simply do not want to understand this and put up funding figures convenient for themselves parties.

As a result, a scandal began to flare up in the endless expanses of Runet, which can be characterized by something like “HSE stands for adjusting the plans of the Ministry of Finance”. To identify the essence of the claims of economists from the HSE to the government of Dmitry Medvedev, you need to provide a number of figures that the parties interpret differently.

One such figure is the level of funding for the military-industrial sector. As you know, the industry financing program in the amount of more than 20 trillion rubles was planned to be implemented before 2020. However, critics of this program said that the investments that the state plans to make today for the domestic defense industry do not meet the realities. The fact is that with the current level of equipment of Russian military-industrial enterprises, to purchase that amount of weapons for the army and fleet, which was mentioned earlier, is not possible. In order for all orders to be carried out at the required level of quality and on time, the production enterprises themselves must be modernized, which will require costs no less than modernizing weapons.

It must be said that such a critical position initially caused the authorities to reject, and all criticism was equated almost to a complete unwillingness to modernize, and all individual critics literally to the enemies of modernization. Because of such a position, Aleksey Kudrin suffered at the time, whose position Medvedev, when he was president, subjected him to sharp criticism.
However, in early July, there was information that the official authorities may heed the words about the inexpediency of turning the financing of purchases of new weapons into a black hole. In particular, in the newspaper "Vedomosti" reported that the program of procurement of new weapons may be shifted to 3 year. In other words, the same 20 trillions of rubles for the modernization of the Russian defense industry can be allocated by the government not until 2020, but before 2023. It would seem, but what, in fact, can change in three years? But in fact, the main thing can change: for a specified period of time, the financing of the modernization of military-industrial enterprises will help to actually upgrade production facilities.

In other words, if the government really goes to a certain revision of plans for financing the defense industry, then you should not think that this is a step backwards. In essence, this is a logical adjustment of the original plans, when they wanted to achieve an outstanding result with the help of existing production potentials. But today, obviously, both the Ministry of Finance and the Government in general believe that this idea was much closer to utopia than to the real state of things. This fact is indirectly confirmed by the pace of implementation of the State Defense Order of recent years, when often only the political will of the top leadership of the country pushed the Defense Ministry and production companies to fruitful cooperation, and even then not always.

But if the question of financing the domestic defense industry can lead to a consensus between the creators of the 2013-2015 ONBP and the critics of their ideas, then there are a number of nuances in relation to which, frankly speaking, very far away.

In particular, budget allocations for Russian civilian science will fluctuate over the next three years. So, in 2013, the amount of funding will be about 320 billion rubles, in 2014 - 285 billion, but in 2015 - again rises above the level of 300 billion. This trend was not able to qualitatively analyze the economists of the HSE, which caused a number of complaints about the activities of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. As an explanation, the representative of the Ministry of Finance said that the fluctuations in the level of financing of domestic science should not be a tragedy, since in 2014 a year the implementation of several government programs in this area ends immediately. And in the 2015 year, there will be new programs for which additional money will be allocated.

The next stumbling block was the project of financing the Russian education system. According to the BNP on the 2013-15 years, the following financing option is provided for the industry - 3,9% of GDP by 2015. HSE analysts say that 3,9% is an obvious decrease in the level of funding, since in 2011, this level was 5,1% of GDP. Opposing the philosophy of the HSE, representatives of the Ministry of Finance declare that it is a question of federal financing, but one must also take into account the regional financing of the education system. Moreover, the federal budget will allocate more impressive funds than before today for regional development. Only now the whole problem may lie in the fact that regional budgets today may be even more closed to public control than the federal budget. And taking into account whether the provincial official Van Vanych allowed the required funds for the development of the education system or left 50% with him, it will be possible with the help of law enforcement officers from the capital. And if so, then it will be necessary to finance the law enforcement agencies additionally, so that the same provincial official Van Vanych could not make them an offer that they would not refuse ... So it turns out that a general increase in funding of the education system is possible only when regional budgets cease be black boxes.
A lot of questions were raised by projects to finance the domestic health care system. The Ministry of Finance reports an increase in interaction with extrabudgetary funds to finance the system, but this increase looks too microscopic. In percentage terms, we can talk about the growth of investment in medicine from extrabudgetary sources to the 2015 year, only 0,1% from the level of 2011 year. At the same time, the state and here will try to give a kind of tool for solving the problems of health care in the regions. It is planned that with a decrease in financing from the federal budget by 31%, regional financing of the healthcare sector will increase almost 1,5 times. However, experts from the HSE decided that the 1,5-fold increase in medical expenses from the regions is nothing more than empty words, because the regional budgets simply cannot bear this level of pressure. And here again the question arises of financing regional development with the provincial distribution of expenses by Van Vanychami and our other common problems.

In the end, I would like to hope that all those plans that are reflected in the BHP are not pure populism, but in fact a really thought-out concept of development. At the same time, it would not be superfluous if HSE and the Ministry of Finance did not act as implacable opponents, but listened to each other's opinions and came to a consensus, because mathematics must remain an objective science. In the end, the financing of the defense, science, education and medicine is a strategic task on which the security of the whole country directly depends.

Materials used:
http://www.minfin.ru/ru/
http://fingazeta.ru/budget/kudrin-pobedil-medvedeva-177570/
http://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/news/2324750/mezhdu_medvedevym_i_putinym?full#cut
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  1. esaul
    esaul 30 July 2012 07: 29
    +14
    ------------- if the government really does undertake some revision of plans for financing the defense industry complex, then one should not think that this is a step back. In fact, this is a logical adjustment of the initial plans, when they wanted to achieve an outstanding result with the help of existing production potentials. ----------

    An exhaustive, in my opinion, answer to those who speak out in terms of tog that "They promised, and now - back!" Such hasty and, in fact, provocative, words slip here periodically.
    In fact, this is the desire of some to give out a desire for reality. DO NOT wait! Here, as an answer, I would like to end the phrase with a combination of fingers, as on Nick Felix (Fox) laughing
    1. Atia
      Atia 30 July 2012 09: 16
      +26
      Someone clearly does not like the idea of ​​rearmament. Let them loose the army altogether.
      1. Churchill
        Churchill 30 July 2012 09: 58
        +23
        Quote: Atia
        . Give them free rein

        Calm down, ma'am! What will they do?!. It’s time to plant them in batches! love
      2. PatriotizTAT
        PatriotizTAT 30 July 2012 11: 45
        +10
        a country of commerce ... and how will I later explain to my nephew Vildan that the country was sold, but I stood aside ??!
    2. VAF
      VAF 30 July 2012 10: 07
      +7
      Quote: esaul
      Here, as an answer, I would like to end the phrase with a combination of fingers, as on Nick Felix (Fox)


      Valery, greetings, +! Something you are too "aggressive" after the celebration of the day of the Navy ??? recourse

      I personally liked another quote in the article: ..."......... In the end, I would like to hope that all those plans that are displayed in the ONBP are not pure populism, but in fact a really thought out concept of development."

      Well, on top of my words, what would, as they say, exclude your thoughts about .... "the desire of some to pass off desire for reality."

      fresh news from THERE ......

      During the discussion in the Russian government of the budget for 2013, a final agreement was reached with the Ministry of Defense on reducing funding for the state defense order by 200 billion rubles.
      This was reported on Monday, July 30, on the website of the Vedomosti newspaper.

      As an official of the government apparatus told the publication, the physical volumes of supplies will remain unchanged, and savings will arise due to "optimization of work with the state defense order."
      The source did not disclose details of the optimization.
      It is planned that in 2014, the financing of the state defense order will be reduced by 251,3 billion rubles, and in 2015, by 248,7 billion, the newspaper's interlocutors reported.

      The Ministry of Finance’s proposal to reduce the number of troops by 10 percent, and law enforcement officials by 20 percent, the government did not find support.
      However, the idea put forward by the same ministry to increase the required service life for officers was supported.

      Almost all controversial issues of budget planning have been removed, Vedomosti writes, with the exception of the Pension Fund deficit. One of the sources noted that if it were not for the fund, the budget would have been "shaken" with a zero balance.
      So far, the projections provide for a significant reduction in the PFR subsidy by 835,5 billion rubles over three years, but it has not yet been decided how this will happen.

      The government has decided so far not to abandon the budget rule, according to which spending will be limited depending on the average oil price for a certain period.
      Thus, in 2013, the Russian budget will amount to 13,4 trillion rubles, in 2014 - 14,6 trillion, and in 2015 - 15,3 trillion, the newspaper recalls.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2012 10: 32
        +8
        Good day, Sergey!
        Quote: vaf
        It is planned that in 2014, the financing of the state defense order will be reduced by 251,3 billion rubles, and in 2015, by 248,7 billion, the newspaper's interlocutors reported.

        This is not so scary. In 2011, our military budget amounted to 1,5 billion, in 2012 - approximately 1,6-1,7 billion rubles. , 2013-2,16 billion was planned in 2,27 g, and 2014-2,6 billion in 2,7 g
        In other words, with the amended funding will amount to 1,96-2,07 billion, in 2014 - 2,35-2,45 billion rubles.
        Those. while the sun is still in the black. The truth is there is a pair of lousy nuances ...
        1) The government claims that the defense order is declining due to the inability of enterprises to fulfill it: (((. And that it is necessary to modernize production. But at the same time, a reduction in the financing of the state defense order does not entail a decrease in the order in physical terms! In other words, the government, declaring the inability of the military-industrial complex fulfill the GOZ wants to get the SAME VOLUME OF THE GOZ FOR LESS MONEY: (((((The classic of support for a domestic manufacturer - we support it by withdrawing funding. Just like in 2008, however. There real sector enterprises "supported" exactly the same.
        2) Planning a budget is good. But after that, we still have a budget to execute. And this is not easy, and if the next upheavals go (with the global smoldering crisis and the WTO, which we ... eghkm ... entered ...) So, alas, we don’t have guarantees of even a reduced budget. But the prerequisites for non-compliance are.
        1. VAF
          VAF 30 July 2012 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Good day, Sergey!


          Andrey, I welcome each other, +! good

          I agree with you completely, go to the article on the MPTO of the fleet, I posted comments about the reduction in production of the Yak-130s, just in my opinion on the topic!
          I will not repeat here, because volumetric koment! drinks
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2012 12: 23
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            Come to the article on the APC fleet, I koment there laid out about the reduction of production of the Yak-130-x, just in my opinion in the subject!

            Looked, thanks, but ... is this even something good? Well, renew the park L39? To tell the truth, I had no idea myself that it turns out that there are basic training and advanced training machines. feel I thought that they were learning at school, they were being educated in combat. feel So - thanks, enlightened a little good
            1. VAF
              VAF 30 July 2012 13: 08
              +2
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              I looked, thanks, but ... is this even something good?


              Andrew, the main idea and salt ... did not catch, +! Read it again .... bully
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 30 July 2012 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: esaul

      An exhaustive, in my opinion, answer to those who speak out in terms of tog that "They promised, and now - back!"

      And what is the answer exhaustive? Referring to objective circumstances, you can rearm until 2030-50-70. Or maybe all the same with the analytics in the government, things are rubbish, experts are weak? Or when the elections, not before the analysis, the votes need to be picked up?
    4. volcano
      volcano 30 July 2012 10: 51
      +2
      Hello Valery.
      I fully support your thought.
      The adjustment process is a normal process, which speaks only of a serious approach.
      Unfortunately, in our society there are people who cling to every word, distort and distort both events and the statements of the country's leadership.
      And as the saying goes, "nothing has started yet, but everything is gone."
      I can’t call it anything but anxiety and deliberate perversion.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 July 2012 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: volkan
        The adjustment process is a normal process, which speaks only of a serious approach.

        Again. The government says that the military industrial complex will not be able to cope with the volume of state defense in 20 billion to 2020 g and wants to stretch supplies for a longer time. So?
        The government is cutting funding for the state defense order. So?
        And now -
        As an official of the government apparatus told the publication, the physical volumes of supplies will remain unchanged, and savings will arise due to "optimization of work with the state defense order."

        What follows from this? And the fact that the enterprise MIC, which in the opinion of the government can not cope with the state defense order, must now cope with the same state defense order but for less money. So?
        Quote: volkan
        I can’t call it anything but anxiety and deliberate perversion.

        I agree, these are just the words you should not have addressed to the forum users.
        1. volcano
          volcano 30 July 2012 15: 07
          +1
          The namesake, and so I and not forum users addressed this.
          As for the article, I supported the idea that the time shift is due to the management's awareness of the need to modernize the defense industry, and not to the usual "scammer". like they promised before the elections, and then they didn't give a damn about what the opponents of the Power like to sing about.


          Now I looked at Claudia ... It seems that he wrote in Russian ........ What is not clear then? request
    5. beech
      beech 30 July 2012 15: 04
      +1
      I’m thinking, since Amers have an awesome debt and they try to improve pro all the time, we have extremely little debt, and we don’t have enough money for new weapons in large numbers, then we should better get a debt (35 percent) and finally solve this question !!! Who-thread tell me this is real or is it just utopia, thanks in advance !!!
    6. 30 July 2012 20: 30
      0
      esaul,
      Valery, I agree with your every word.
      Here is another link on this topic: http://vz.ru/news/2012/7/30/590949.html

      "The scheme proposed by the Ministry of Finance will allow transferring part of the budgetary expenditures on arms purchases to a later period, despite the fact that the program of modernization of the armed forces itself will be completed on time in full, Siluanov explained."
    7. alexng
      alexng 31 July 2012 01: 38
      0
      In fact, this is the desire of some to give out a desire for reality. DO NOT wait! Here, as an answer, I would like to end the phrase with a combination of fingers, as on Nick Felix (Fox) laughing

      Valera, for such scribblers there is a modern and common three-finger combination - Ctrl + Alt + Del. This combination would not hurt some whiners that everything is bad or not as it should be, but We know how to criticize, and We are the most-most critical critics and gA-obviously-Meta, and you are not. And you are all "uryapatriots" here, and we are "uryaGav-no-meta". Somewhere like that. But this is how these whiners got out on the forum, worse than trolls, and it's time to come up with orders on the forum like: a whiner-I degree, a whiner-II degree and a whiner-III degree, a troll-I degree, etc.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 July 2012 07: 42
    +23
    Too many articles on this subject and it is difficult to understand the country. Some say one thing, others are just the opposite. The question is, what the hell? There is not enough tough manager to say what needs to be done! Has the Ministry of Finance at least once made proposals to reduce its own staff or refused to purchase luxury cars in order to save budget funds? If you need to reduce some expenses, you need to start with officials. There are much more of them in the country than all the armed forces. But they do not offend loved ones.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 30 July 2012 09: 02
      +8
      Alexander Romanov

      Briefly and correctly. I agree. +
    2. Atia
      Atia 30 July 2012 09: 18
      +14
      If you sell everything to the Mercedes Ministry of Finance, how many tanks can you buy?
      1. Churchill
        Churchill 30 July 2012 10: 02
        +12
        Atia,
        Well, ma'am, you set the puzzles !!! Here you need to consult with the General Staff. Although they and their Mercedeses have more than one tank armada ... yes
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 30 July 2012 10: 11
          +10
          then it pulls them all to a wheeled armored platform.
          1. VAF
            VAF 30 July 2012 10: 33
            +7
            Quote: vorobey
            then it pulls them all to a wheeled armored platform.


            Sanya, hi! How was the celebration? Like weights ???? +! drinks
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 30 July 2012 10: 46
              +6
              Serega hello. This year for the first time I kept my word. But there was an itch in the ass. Most importantly, the children came off, and the older Chinese also cleaned their noses in a dash. You should have seen their eyes. We approached the climbing wall. The Chineses tweeted and nobody climbed, but mine rushed. The most difficult track just did not pass, but not every peasant can there. The eldest gathered prizes for himself and his brothers. In general, this year the children received mainly pleasure, but I don’t need more.
              1. VAF
                VAF 30 July 2012 12: 19
                +3
                Quote: vorobey
                This year for the first time I kept my word


                Come on ... that I never once threw ... a weight then ???? wink



                Well, about the boys ..... it would be foolish if it were different !!! good fellow

                From me to them a huge hello and congratulations !!! good

                And the same thing ... I congratulated myself ... I have two naval neighbors on the left, and a paratrooper on the right ... maybe that’s why our area is bypassed ... all kinds of noise-headed and pepsikol ?! drinks

      2. Armata
        Armata 30 July 2012 10: 14
        +7
        Why undermine. Based on armored Mercedes and make a new wheeled tank.
        1. VAF
          VAF 30 July 2012 10: 42
          +5
          Quote: Steam Train
          Why undermine


          I welcome Zhenya, +! I watched you already at 17.00 on the site ... got his course? drinks

          1. Armata
            Armata 30 July 2012 10: 47
            +6
            Hi Sergey. We came to my house. Money is over, and then returned to 00.30. In the morning, already in the morning, the employees offered me a bucket of coffee with an alcohol alkeltzer intravenously. And they sympathize that I did not serve in the construction battalion.

            And our city looks beautiful in the evening, this is a snapshot from the "Hayat" hotel near the Yeltsian "wisdom tooth". A monument to him was erected across the road and the street is now not January 9, but Yeltsin Avenue
            1. VAF
              VAF 30 July 2012 12: 07
              0
              Quote: Steam Train
              In the morning, already in the morning, the employees offered me a bucket of coffee with an alcohol alkeltzer intravenously.


              The best way to do this is to do it after it’s already polished ... drink a liter of milk at night .... it precipitates instantly and you get up in the morning, almost like a cucumber .... the main thing is not to start over again .... otherwise you understand how it will end.

              and attached the photo like this. as our house shows the same thing, on the other side of the dam, on the right to Voivodina !!!

              And I completely forgot to ask, but the tavern that stands by the wall, which was burning and drowned, was restored and still works ???

              Well, Yeltsin's Fang, yes .... Monument !!!

              The photo is cool, as they say ... all in one bottle ....

              1. Armata
                Armata 30 July 2012 12: 45
                +2
                Where is he going to go? Only this toilet bowl has now been additionally put on the pontoons so that it doesn’t drown again with people.
    3. VAF
      VAF 30 July 2012 10: 10
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      If you need to reduce some expenses, you need to start with officials. There are much more of them in the country than all the armed forces. But they do not offend loved ones.


      Sasha, golden words, +! good

      If only I could find out who it was who recruited .. these "officials" in the Ministry of Education, and ???????? recourse
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 30 July 2012 10: 54
        0
        VAF

        Sergey, welcome.
        Quote: vaf
        who is it who recruited .. these "officials" in the Ministry, and ????????


        I answer, naturally with irony: tell me what his name is 7 Putin ... Putin ... V.V.

        Here on the next branch, on July 28.07, the proposals of deputies Ponomaryov and Zheleznyak on the prohibition of state officials to have foreign accounts, real estate, property abroad were discussed. With sanctions for violation - large fines + dismissal or criminal punishment, term. In addition, equate thereof with FOREIGN AGENTS. This is a kind of response to the law on NGOs. Very interesting article and topic. Then Bastrykin lit up with his property in the Czech Republic.
        So the question is, will they take such a "squiggle" in the fall? Like a bee against honey ... I'm sure not. And the message is good. And I don't give a damn who initiates such bills - the main thing is efficient, for the good. Let it be another test for Putin to agree, but everything depends on his WORD, honor him, something will get off the ground. No - not surprising ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 30 July 2012 12: 25
          0
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          on the next branch, on July 28.07, the proposals of the deputies Ponomaryov and Zheleznyak were discussed


          Anton, welcome, +! Yes, I read it today .. transfusion from empty to empty, air shaking, steam release, stress relief, etc.

          You yourself understand who steers and who sits in the State Duma, because they will not be the bitches on which they sit, to cut under themselves !!!

          Well, and so, it seems, like the appearance that there is an irreconcilable struggle against ....... well, you understood the rest !!!

      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 July 2012 10: 54
        +4
        Quote: vaf
        If only I could find out who it was who recruited .. these "officials" in the Ministry of Education, and ????????

        Hi Sergey, do you propose to announce the whole list? Yes, I can, but is it necessary - everyone knows all the names!
        1. VAF
          VAF 30 July 2012 12: 20
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          propose to announce the entire list? Yes, I can, but is it necessary - everyone knows all the names!


          Sanya. Not worth it, +! You say correctly, everything has been known for a long time and everyone knows .... unfortunately!
  3. Dictator
    Dictator 30 July 2012 08: 08
    +3
    Most of all, those who howl from these 20 trillions cannot steal anything! For this they shout, so that they too will be fed.
  4. Crumbumbes
    Crumbumbes 30 July 2012 08: 17
    +8
    Alexander Romanov,

    it would be interesting to see which of them would agree to exchange (give) their plasma across the wall to a 56 cm TV set, and their elite squares to squares on the secondary housing market, and their geldings and audi to Chinese or domestic cars)), if this happens, then only if the cancer on the mountain whistles))
    1. Sablezub
      Sablezub 30 July 2012 08: 35
      +9
      the plan of rearmament and modernization of the army, I think, was not drawn from scratch ... and those numbers that are announced, I think they were not sucked out of the finger ... but this fuss and noise about "disputes", I suspect that this budget is strong for someone pressed, so they are indignant now ... in any case, very much like that ...
      1. Churchill
        Churchill 30 July 2012 10: 06
        +9
        Sablezub,
        Yes, now generally fashionable to be indignant! Say, if you’re not outraged, it’s kind of like you aren’t trending, the drive is leaving, the tone is falling, the glamor isn’t amusing. That's such an image!
    2. uralkos
      uralkos 30 July 2012 09: 32
      +6
      I am a cancer, I live on a magnetic mountain. Cheeks are tired of whistling.
  5. The Armed Forces
    The Armed Forces 30 July 2012 09: 35
    +1
    GOZ RF is not feasible.
    1. Big lexey
      Big lexey 30 July 2012 10: 01
      0
      A highly controversial statement.
      In terms of the quantitative indicators of the new weapons received by the troops, it is indeed impossible to fulfill the state defense order, but to divide and spend 20 trillion. rubles - easy, if only they would give money ...
      1. The Armed Forces
        The Armed Forces 30 July 2012 10: 13
        0
        An extremely objective statement that there are a lot of factors. I do not pretend to change your mind, believe anything. I am not saying that "everything is lost", but that will not happen - a quiet decade has passed with stable revenues to the budget - where is GOZ-2010? - Forgot already. And this decade will not be like that ...
        But I'm sure you all understand. And minus or not - from the minuses there will only be more irony, and the assessment of the inadequacy of perception of reality.
  6. patriot2
    patriot2 30 July 2012 09: 54
    +1
    Well, it’s time to think and decide for a long time that the production potential and its development (reforming and creating new industries) can solve the problem of re-equipping the Army and Navy - the state defense order of the Russian Federation.
  7. brat2
    brat2 30 July 2012 10: 24
    +1
    How do you like this? http://lenta.ru/news/2012/07/30/oboronzkz/
    The leadership of the state first ... makes it clear at all angles that the amount of state defense order for the period up to 2150 (when no one checks and even more so asks) will amount to so much, and then quietly cut off a large chunk.
    Is this not sabotage and betrayal of the interests of the country?
    And here (on this forum) someone will definitely say that they say they have found savings, well done.
    So, under various pretexts, the army and navy are strangled and spread rot.
  8. John from the USA
    John from the USA 30 July 2012 10: 37
    +2
    I will give a real example of embezzlement from the regional budget - the mayor of one of the cities in which they make rockets stole 30 million rubles. The FSB is working.
    If they hadn’t made rockets, then that’s all.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 30 July 2012 10: 50
      +9
      So you need to start making rockets in every city.
      1. VAF
        VAF 30 July 2012 12: 27
        +4
        Quote: vorobey

        So you need to start making rockets in every city.


        Sanya, offset, +! drinks

        And yet ... more often .. launch them ... for the main purpose .... whatever ... forget!

    2. Leisure
      Leisure 30 July 2012 16: 06
      0
      Is this the city manager of Ozersk, the Chelyabinsk region?
  9. Magadan
    Magadan 30 July 2012 10: 48
    +1
    Thanks to Alexei for another great review. I’ll add on my own - if they proceed from the fact that Russia is a country where society helps each individual person, then I am for both hands. Because genetically we are humans cathedral (well, or if you like - socialist). If they push us towards the US system, where everyone is for himself, then I am AGAINST.
    It’s easy to determine this movement - if you give away the whole large percentage of your family’s income for various debts (communal services, education, medicine, insurance, etc.) - then we are heading towards the United States. If such bondage not growing, but contracting - then everything is fine.
  10. Nir
    Nir 30 July 2012 11: 26
    -1
    Ah ah ah, what about 2020, how is the life-giving mantra ... shrinking? not good not good ...
  11. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 30 July 2012 11: 46
    +1
    The amount of funds allocated for the defense industry complex is, in a sense, a stimulating move and at the same time is a state guarantor of financial support. That is: there is money, there is an order - you can: take it and carry it out; if you can't - modernize production, invest in it under "long-running" guaranteed orders and financing.
    Such a state policy is an incentive for the modernization of the defense industry,
  12. anchonsha
    anchonsha 30 July 2012 12: 22
    0
    Yes, it’s wonderful when such disputes are under way on the budget, which means there is something to adjust and redirect part of the planned money for the purchase of weapons for the modernization of defense industry enterprises, in science and education. It is only necessary at all levels of users of the budget to allow control over its proper use. Otherwise, officials of republican, provincial, regional territories will drag money at their discretion (for cars and personal service)
  13. Dmitry.V
    Dmitry.V 30 July 2012 13: 46
    +1
    Disputes about which of the ministries will get the most, that there is not enough money for the whole army of "servants of the people"
  14. merkel1961
    merkel1961 30 July 2012 13: 58
    +4
    Do you want to discuss the growth of energy tariffs? And do not reduce the allocated amounts for public defense contracts, but increase them in accordance with the increase in cost!