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The Finnish press described how Finland helped destroy the Russian Empire

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In Finland, they decided to recall the country's contribution to the destruction of the Russian Empire. The Finnish publication Yle emphasizes that without the help of the “Finnish comrades” at one time, it would not have been possible to make a revolution in Russia.


More than 100 years have passed since Finland gained its independence, but the issue of confronting Russia is still often discussed in the Finnish media. This is not surprising: for all 108 years, during which Finland was part of the Russian Empire as the Grand Duchy of Finland, most of its population was greatly weighed by this circumstance and cherished the dream of national sovereignty. All means were good for the struggle against Russia, therefore, when revolutionary organizations intensified in the empire, the Finnish national movement turned into their natural allies.

In fairness, it should be noted that such alignments were found on almost all the western national outskirts of the Russian Empire: Polish and Baltic socialists, "Bundists" from Jewish towns of the western provinces worked closely with the Russian revolutionaries. In Transcaucasia, developed ties were observed between the Russian revolutionary movement and the Georgian and Armenian left-wing nationalists.

The Finnish author Heidi Zidane writes that in the territory of the Grand Duchy of Finland the Russian revolutionaries received the most comprehensive support: they were helped to hide from the tsarist secret police, provided premises for meetings, printing houses and even the manufacture of bombs. It is not for nothing that the Finnish historian Erkki Vettenniemi even titled his book Finland as the basis of terror: how Lenin and his comrades destroyed Russia with the support of the Finns.

In the XNUMXth century, relations between the Russian revolutionaries and Finnish nationalists were practically absent, but at the beginning of the XNUMXth century they began to develop rapidly. This was due to two circumstances: firstly, the Finnish Grand Duchy began to develop and strengthen its own socialist movement, and secondly, the Finnish and Russian revolutionaries became aware of the common enemy, and the Russian autocracy was recognized as this enemy.

Receiving from Finnish comrades weapon and ammunition, socialist revolutionaries carried out terrorist acts in St. Petersburg, Moscow, and other large cities of the Russian Empire. At the same time, Finnish historians noted that on the territory of Finland itself there were "exs" - attacks aimed at expropriating money. For example, in February 1906, the office of the State Bank of the Russian Empire in Helsinki was robbed. This expropriation was carried out by a group of Latvian Social Democrats.

However, the activation of the revolutionaries in Russia and the almost open help from the Finnish public led to negative consequences for the Finns: Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin significantly tightened the regime in the Grand Duchy of Finland. He forced the Finnish authorities, who had previously seen through the fingers of the revolutionaries, to organize a series of police raids against the revolutionaries. Assistance to the Russian revolutionary movement ultimately declined markedly.

At the same time, the Finns consider themselves involved in the fate of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin - the man who led the Great October Socialist Revolution. Lenin, starting in 1906, visited Finland many times, meeting the warm welcome of local socialists. Meanwhile, it is possible that if it were not for the help of the Finns, then Lenin could even die, for example, in 1907, when he was hiding in Turku and tried to cross over to thin ice to Sweden.

Now in Finland there are two monuments to Vladimir Ilyich - in Turku and Kotka. Unlike a number of post-Soviet republics, modern Finns recognize Lenin's merits for the sovereignty of Finland, although relations with the Soviet Union did not always develop simply, especially if you recall the Soviet-Finnish and World War II.

However, many Finnish historians are sure that even if Vladimir Lenin had died, a revolution would have occurred in Russia anyway. So, Ira Janis-Isokangas, who studies the events of those years, claims that there were other prominent revolutionaries who could lead the revolutionary movement and almost all of them promised that after the revolution in Russia Finland would gain independence.
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painting by V. A. Serov - "Statement by V. I. Lenin at the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets". State Historical Museum
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  1. Vend
    Vend April 20 2020 14: 41 New
    +7
    When crocodiles open their mouths, it’s easy to fall out of favor with donkeys! laughing
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 April 20 2020 15: 23 New
      +1
      the fact that the Bolsheviks recognized the independence of Finland is not just a mistake, it is the planned destruction of the Russian population.
      -Fins carved the Russian city of Vyborg,
      Finns destroyed the Russians in Karelia,
      -Fins together with the Germans staged a blockade of Leningrad because of which only a million civilians of Leningrad died.
      The same is with the Baltic states, which are always hostile to Russia.
      How can such a "self-determination of nations" be regarded? Only one is the crime of the Bolsheviks against the Russian people.
      In general, EVERYTHING literally, the nationals of the country, if they are set free, immediately begin to kill the Russians. This is what the whole story says before the revolutionary, Soviet and the rest.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos April 20 2020 17: 30 New
        +5
        They recognized what had already happened. Well, there the struggle was communists and nationalists. Communists could defeat and create Soviet Finland
        1. tatra
          tatra April 20 2020 18: 07 New
          +6
          The ideology of the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists who seized the USSR is both a slander against the Bolshevik-Communists, and the blame and blame on those for what the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists themselves did in the Soviet period and after their capture and dismemberment of the USSR. Including the fact that they cowardly blamed the Bolsheviks for their dismemberment of Russia during the Civil War. Lenin did not just let the Finns and Poles go, but because they had already begun to get rid of Russia, and at the end of 1917 the Bolsheviks did not have so much strength to fight them. The enemies of the Bolshevik communists justify or "have forgotten" that the Finns unleashed two Soviet-Finnish wars, in 1918 and in 1921, in order to seize Russian territories. Also, the Russian / Russian enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists justify the Finns that they staged massive political repressions and executions for six months in 1918.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 April 20 2020 21: 34 New
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            Quote: tatra
            The ideology of the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists who seized the USSR is both slander against the Bolshevik Communists and blaming those guilty and responsibility for what the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists themselves did during the Soviet period and after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by them. Including the fact that they cowardly blamed the Bolsheviks for their dismemberment of Russia during the Civil War.


            they themselves understood what they said?

            Quote: tatra
            Lenin not just let the Finns and Poles go, but sweat


            the Poles recognized the first provisional government of Lviv, the Finns, the Council of People's Commissars by the Council of People's Commissars. So it’s temporary that the Bolsheviks were not patriots.


            Quote: tatra
            It was not just that Lenin released the Finns and Poles, but because they had already begun to get rid of Russia, and the Bolsheviks did not yet have so much strength to fight them at the end of 1917


            this is a stupid and common opinion. One could simply not recognize the independence of the Finns for a start, and no one recognized him. By the way, the Lenin government was not weak and defeated Bely’s powerful forces, but for some reason hesitated to do the same with Finland and the Baltic states.
            As for the campaign of the Red Army in Poland, historians are very shy to tell the whole truth about this defeat. This defeat looks very strange, like the defeat of the Republic of Ingushetia in the REV.
            1. tatra
              tatra April 20 2020 21: 51 New
              -3
              So I did not understand how you disproved me. But you yourself realized that you wrote in your first comment? You accused Lenin of giving the Russians who lived in Finland to YOU, the enemies of the Bolsheviks, and YOU began to kill the Russians. This is an excellent example of the proof of my words that the enemies of the Communists cowardly blame and responsibility for what you yourself did during the Soviet period and after your capture of the USSR - from the responsibility for unleashing the Civil War in order to overthrow the power of the Bolsheviks and take over Russia , responsible for the results of your work for 30 years after your capture of the RSFSR.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 April 20 2020 21: 59 New
                +3
                Quote: tatra
                You accused Lenin of giving the Russians who lived in Finland to YOU, the enemies of the Bolsheviks, and YOU began to kill the Russians.


                I didn’t say this, you have something with your head ...
                1. cost
                  cost April 21 2020 02: 18 New
                  +4
                  You accused Lenin of giving the Russians who lived in Finland to YOU, the enemies of the Bolsheviks, and YOU began to kill the Russians

                  Laughing out loud. laughing
                  What labels just did not hang on Paul (Bar1) for his passion for history - and "Fomenkovets" and "Zadornovets" and "rabid pagan Slavophile" and "Aryan Russophile". But you, Comrade Tatra, surpassed everyone. yes Calling him white-finned and directly accusing him of killing Russians is aerobatics good Just a little more and he will become a "degenerate", a "Trotskyist" and a fist ". laughing
                  You’re Comrade Tatra’s flags, hang labels on people, but you don’t know how to argue with arguments at all - you don’t have enough basic knowledge, only cliches and slogans. Far to you to Lenin, Bukharin, Stasova and Kolontay - these competently compete and knew how and loved
            2. Avior
              Avior April 21 2020 00: 45 New
              +1

              One could simply not recognize the independence of the Finns to begin with, and no one recognized him.

              Fully admitted to themselves

              Russian Soviet Republic January 4, 1918
              France January 4, 1918
              Sweden January 4, 1918
              German Empire January 4, 1918
              Greece January 5, 1918
              Norway January 10, 1918
              Denmark January 10, 1918
              Switzerland January 11, 1918
              Austria-Hungary January 13, 1918
              Netherlands January 28, 1918
              Spain February 21, 1918
              Ottoman Empire February 21, 1918
              Bulgaria T February 27, 1918

              And why should Lenin have failed to achieve the independence proclaimed six months before by the filing of the friendly Social Democratic Party of Finland (originally the Workers Party of Finland)?
              Then just built the world socialist system. A split between the Finnish Social Democrats later happened
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 April 21 2020 07: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Avior
                Fully admitted to themselves

                other countries recognized only AFTER the government recognized Lenin. This should be spoken about. Lenin, with his "right to self-determination", essentially created a strong enemy of the Russian people with his own hands.
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 21 2020 13: 50 New
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                  There are dates on the list. all together as the news arrived
                  when did they recognize the Lenin government? :)
                  By the way, the Lenin government also recognized other republics, but the Entente did not.
                  At the beginning of 1919, Soviet power was established in the states of Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. The RSFSR considered these states as sovereign and entered into close relations with them regarding the solution of military, economic and other problems. In June 1919, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee adopted a decree “On the Unification of the Soviet Republics: Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus to Combat World Imperialism”. In accordance with it, the republican bodies of the military organization and military command, the CHX, the people's commissariats of finance, labor, and communications were subject to association. To guide these industries, the creation of single colleges was envisaged. By 1920, in Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia, Soviet power was liquidated and allied relations ceased [24].

                  In the future, relations between the RSFSR and the Soviet republics developed as part of bilateral contractual relations. The first in December 1920 was an alliance agreement between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, in January 1921 a similar agreement was concluded between the RSFSR and the BSSR, and then with other Soviet republics. In particular, the “Union Worker-Peasant Agreement between the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR”, approved by the VIII All-Russian Congress of Soviets on December 28, 1920, provided for the republics to enter the military and economic union.
            3. your1970
              your1970 April 22 2020 11: 18 New
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              Quote: Bar1
              By the way, the Lenin government was not weak and defeated Bely’s powerful forces, but for some reason he was embarrassed to do the same with Finland and the Baltic states.

              Quote: Bar1
              This defeat looks very strange, like the defeat of RI in the REV.
              - it’s because the Belykh’s authorities had generals - neither physically nor mentally capable of anything.
              Therefore, they consistently lost- and REV, and PMV, and Civil
              There were not even two fronts there - "Ring of Fronts" !! And these mediocrities could not coordinate and strike at the same time. Each of them dragged power ...
          2. da Vinci
            da Vinci April 21 2020 09: 05 New
            +1
            The ideologists of the USSR made, in my opinion, a big mistake in the fundamental assertion that the entire revolutionary movement was created and led by the RSDLP (hereinafter the Bolsheviks) since 1905. They attributed to themselves both February 2017 (including the overthrow of tsarism), and the formation of the Sov. the authorities after October 2017 did not want to share the "laurels" of the founders of the revolution. As a result, the "liberals" became the only culprits in all Russia's troubles. And the fact that different political parties (from the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries to anarchists) took part in power and echoed what they wanted, that there were many random (including openly criminal) people in the Bolshevik party who discredited the new government - they tried not to mention. In addition, a lot of mistakes were made by the Bolsheviks at the initial stage (which were not officially recognized). As they say, they do not learn from the mistakes of others, but then historically there did not exist, from which the new government could learn. The Soviet state was a radically new, unknown country, by the example of which (including mistakes) many people studied and are now learning.
        2. Bar1
          Bar1 April 20 2020 21: 50 New
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          Quote: Kronos
          They acknowledged what had already happened


          the fact was this. Finnish nationalists assembled, numbering a few dozen, declared themselves the Sejm and declared independence as the first question. It was just necessary to disperse them with sticks and no one would stand up for them.
          This is how Putin did not intervene in the Donbas and Russian blood flowed there, the same situation.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 21 2020 10: 55 New
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            Quote: Bar1
            This is how Putin did not intervene in the Donbas and Russian blood flowed there, the same situation.

            In vain do you think that in the Donbass everyone just dreamed of living in Russia before the Maidan events and before the annexation of the Crimea - there were enough of our independents, and it’s not a fact that we economically dragged on the content of two regions of Ukraine. There, some then believed that Russia should pay Ukraine for supposedly all the republic’s natural resources being developed by all the republics, and Ukrainians were obliged to receive income from this. So Putin doesn’t need to water shit - we already have enough problems, starting from Transnistria and 08.08.08, so that we can join everyone who knows that they will live in Russia more comfortably. Unfortunately, such a situation has developed that, in addition to humanitarian aid and volunteer participation, we cannot help the Donbass for now, except that we give them the opportunity to become Russian citizens. That's when 80-90 percent of our citizens will be there, then it will be possible to decide the question of who they are with - with Russia or with Ukraine.
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 April 21 2020 12: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: ccsr
              In vain do you think that in the Donbass everyone just dreamed of living in Russia before

              The Russians, the Cossacks, dreamed of living with the Russians, and all sorts of Jews are not Russians together with Putin, they dream of ruining the country, and therefore they repel the original Russian lands.
              Quote: ccsr
              So Putin don’t need to water shit - we already have enough problems starting from Transnistria and 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, so that we start joining everyone who knows that they will live more comfortably in Russia

              Transnistria by Russia is not considered an independent state, South. Ossetia is considered an independent Russia, so do not bother with a bunch.
              Well, Putin has no more confidence after the pension reform, yap. Today one thing says, tomorrow another thing, a person is determined by his deeds, and not by his idle talk.
              To reject native Russian lands from Russia is a crime against the Russian people.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 21 2020 13: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Bar1
                To reject native Russian lands from Russia is a crime against the Russian people.

                And who rejected Belarus and Ukraine from Russia after the collapse of the USSR? And why didn’t Russians living in the former republics of the USSR really strive for unification - didn’t they think about it? Or do you think they are not Russian people?
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 April 21 2020 15: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  And why do Russians living in the former republics of the USSR not really strive for unification -

                  why "do not strive"? When exactly do they strive ...
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 21 2020 18: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Bar1
                    When exactly do they strive ...

                    If we were striving, in the nineties we would become one Slavic state. But this is not and is not expected - in the foreseeable future, at least.
      2. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki April 20 2020 17: 38 New
        -2
        ... apparently Ilyich quite realistically believed that the Bolsheviks would take power in Finland ... but the Leaders .. (.. such as Ulyanov-Bronstein ..) but instead Mannerheim took power in Finland .. and that was PERSONALITY ..
      3. 23424636
        23424636 April 21 2020 18: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Bar1
        the fact that the Bolsheviks recognized the independence of Finland is not just a mistake, it is the planned destruction of the Russian population.
        -Fins carved the Russian city of Vyborg,
        Finns destroyed the Russians in Karelia,
        -Fins together with the Germans staged a blockade of Leningrad because of which only a million civilians of Leningrad died.
        The same is with the Baltic states, which are always hostile to Russia.
        How can such a "self-determination of nations" be regarded? Only one is the crime of the Bolsheviks against the Russian people.
        In general, EVERYTHING literally, the nationals of the country, if they are set free, immediately begin to kill the Russians. This is what the whole story says before the revolutionary, Soviet and the rest.

        Zhirinovsky once said that the whole revolt in Petrograd for the seizure of the Provisional Government was not carried out by any revolutionary sailors and soldiers, but the Finnish military contingent. Who was withdrawn from the front and Lenin gave them guarantees as soon as the Provisional Government is arrested, he will sign independence by this hot Finnish lads. The Finns received great advantages from the Jewish Bolsheviks, but Stalin held them by the balls. and after the Second World War he did not rent the Saimaa Canal and kept a naval base on the Parkall Peninsula. But Khrushchev in 1963 leased the canal for 50 years and closed the base in 1955. And Dima Medvedev in 11, just as quickly signed without any conventions for another 50 years ahead of schedule lease of this channel.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 22 2020 12: 00 New
          0
          Quote: 23424636
          In 11, Dima Medvedev also accelerated signed an early lease of this channel without any conventions for another 50 years.

          But what was to be done with this channel?
          I don’t pin up, it's just interesting as a person who is not in the subject ...
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 07 New
      +2
      Interestingly, what will Samsonov answer to such a "present"?
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 April 20 2020 21: 41 New
      0


      can Russian people put memorial plaques to this executioner of the Russian people? No, of course, this board was riveted by Nerus and the Libers.
      By the way, Comrade Stalin, after the war, too, was ashamed to take revenge on the finals. Here is such a father to the peoples, all peoples, but not Russian.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 21 2020 11: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Bar1
        By the way, Comrade Stalin, after the war, too, was ashamed to take revenge on the finals. Here is such a father to the peoples, all peoples, but not Russian.

        You forget that for example Bulgaria, Hitler's ally, was exempted from paying reparations, but the Finns paid us every penny. So Stalin did the right thing in relation to the Finns - at least they are still relatively loyal to us, unlike some "brothers" - the Slavs.
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 April 21 2020 12: 46 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Bar1
          By the way, Comrade Stalin, after the war, too, was ashamed to take revenge on the finals. Here is such a father to the peoples, all peoples, but not Russian.

          You forget that for example Bulgaria, Hitler's ally, was exempted from paying reparations, but the Finns paid us every penny. So Stalin did the right thing in relation to the Finns - at least they are still relatively loyal to us, unlike some "brothers" - the Slavs.


          Finns must be punished, as the Germans in Nuremberg — firstly, secondly, Churchill asked Stalin if he would take Finland back to him, but for some reason Stalin refused.
          As for the Finnish reparations - 220mil. Dollars, then for those crimes and the harm that the Finns inflicted on the USSR, this is just a mockery, this is again the liberal position of Stalin - "the father of peoples".
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 21 2020 13: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Bar1
            Finns must be punished as Germans in Nuremberg-

            And the Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians, Italians, Czechs, Slovaks - we will not remember about them?
            Quote: Bar1
            secondly, Churchill asked Stalin if he would take Finland back to him, but for some reason Stalin refused.

            Is it recorded in the protocols or someone else's memories?
            Quote: Bar1
            As for the Finnish reparations-220mil. Dol., Then for those crimes and the harm that the Finns did to the USSR

            These are all emotions, because they paid what the winners prescribed.
          2. your1970
            your1970 April 22 2020 11: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Bar1
            this is again the liberal position of Stalin - "the father of peoples".
            -Stalin accused of liberalism fool fool fool fool so who-who-and HE was a purely pragmatic realist

            Quote: ccsr
            So Stalin did the right thing in relation to the Finns - at least they are still relatively loyal to us, unlike some "brothers" - the Slavs.

            Moreover, if someone didn’t notice, the Mannerheim board appeared immediately after the NATO visit to Finland. And the Finns reacted correctly - two months later Finland again refused to join NATO
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 08 New
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          For many years after the war, Bulgaria paid reparations to Greece.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 21 2020 13: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Sergej1972
            For many years after the war, Bulgaria paid reparations to Greece.

            Here is what actually happened:
            In 1946, a conference of the victorious countries was held in Paris, at which the terms of their peace treaties were determined with five states - allies of Nazi Germany (Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Finland). A large number of bilateral peace treaties of the victorious states were signed with the five named states. Together, these treaties were called the Paris Peace Treaties, and they entered into force simultaneously on September 15, 1947. Each bilateral treaty contained articles (section) on reparations. For example, a bilateral treaty between the USSR and Finland stipulated that the latter pledged to compensate for losses incurred by the Soviet Union ($ 300 million) and to return valuables removed from Soviet territory. The Soviet-Italian treaty provided for reparation payments by Italy in favor of the USSR in the amount of $ 100 million.

            Note that only Finland fully complied with all its reparation obligations to the victorious countries. Italy, according to experts, did not fully pay reparations. As for Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, in 1949 these countries became members of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA), and Moscow abandoned its demands for reparations to them.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 25 New
              0
              Moscow refused, the Greeks did not. And the Greeks, the Bulgarians paid reparations.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 21 2020 13: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Moscow refused, the Greeks did not.

                Quite possible. Only I do not remember in Potsdam the Greek delegation as winners. Even if something broke off for them, then as part of the reparations of other countries, and even then I do not exclude that it was German property located in Bulgaria.
  2. apro
    apro April 20 2020 14: 43 New
    +7
    Gentlemen of the Finns too high a view of their capabilities .... contributions ...
    I recalled the old anecdote about the assignment of 2 orders of the October Revolution to Nikolai for creating a revolutionary situation ...
    1. reservist
      reservist April 20 2020 15: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: apro
      Remembering an old joke ...
      and one more, as several hundred people wrote memoirs about how they carried along with Lenin a log on a community work day ...

      Now in Finland there are two monuments to Vladimir Ilyich - in Turku and Kotka.
      there are at least three monuments to Lenin in Finland

      two to Turku



      and one in Kotka
  3. Lopatov
    Lopatov April 20 2020 14: 50 New
    12
    The actions of Finland and the Finns during this period need mandatory assessment.
    Including the massacre of Russian
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 20 2020 15: 02 New
      +8
      Quote: Spade
      The actions of Finland and the Finns during this period need to be evaluated.
      Including the massacre of Russian


      All can you remember ...


      Quote: Learn Colonel Cassad
      Russians were ordered to wear a red bandage



      The FSB Directorate for Karelia has declassified and uploaded documents on the Finnish occupation policy in the occupied territory of the USSR.


      The Federal Security Service of Russia for the Republic of Karelia has declassified archival documents about the war crimes of Finnish Nazis. The evidence was transferred to the National Archives of the region.
      “The slightest help to Soviet troops from civilians is considered espionage, and their appearance with weapons in their hands is considered robbery attacks. All guilty persons in both cases are punishable by death, ”says one of the certificates.

      According to the archives, unlike the “Finns, Karelians and Vepsians,” the Russians were ordered to wear a red bandage on their left sleeve, and the entire “non-national” population received half the amount of food.
      In addition, documents provide evidence of the brutality of Finnish Nazis against Komsomol members and communists, as well as prisoners of concentration camps, Izvestia reports.
      In total, from 1941 to 1944, more than 14 camps for non-Finno-Ugric civilians were created in the occupied territory of the Karelian-Finnish SSR, which mainly contained Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. During the war, almost 50 thousand people passed through them. About a third died of starvation.
      Earlier it was reported that the FSB revealed Finnish methods of exterminating prisoners.

      https://pobedarf.ru/2020/04/17/459760854tov/ - цинк

      There are specific examples in the archives. So, in Zaonezhsky district “Tatyana Mukhina, the secretary of the Komsomol organization and the deputy of the Kuzarandsky village council, was brutally tortured.” The 20-year-old girl was repeatedly beaten during interrogations, and then shot. Trying to hide in the forests from the invaders, Fedor Voglaev was beaten with iron rods.

      <...>

      “The White Finns gathered women with young children, old and old, and placed them in houses specially set aside on the outskirts of the city and surrounded by barbed wire. These are houses of death. In all camps, hunger and typhoid, ”this is stated in the memoirs of a resident of Petrozavodsk.
      Archival evidence is also confirmed by the former juvenile prisoner of the Finnish concentration camp, Petrozavodsk Claudia Nyuppieva. According to her, each person was given a spoonful of flour per day.
      “We made liquid stew out of this flour, and there was nothing else,” Claudia Nyuppieva shared her memories on the air of Channel Five.
      As a punishment, she says, the prisoners were beaten with a rubber whip, sometimes wrapped in a salty sheet to make it hurt.

      http://rk.karelia.ru/social/fsb-rassekretila-dokumenty-o-finskih-kontslageryah-v-karelii/ - цинк

      Entire families were thrown into the Kolvasozero camp; children were forcibly taken away from their mothers. In Svyatnavoloksky camp, prisoners could be beaten for trying to find out whether additional products can be obtained by coupons.
      In the Petrozavodsk concentration camp No. 5, where about seven thousand people were kept, prisoners were supposed to receive 300 grams of flour with wood impurity per day and 50 grams of rotten sausage for three days. And for campaigns for bread in the neighboring village, the guilty were beaten with sticks before the formation of the entire camp.
      They threw them into camps on the slightest occasion, first of all, on suspicion of sympathy for the Soviet regime.
      “The White Finns gathered women with young children, old and old, and placed them in houses specially set aside on the outskirts of the city and surrounded by barbed wire. These are houses of death. In all camps, hunger and typhoid, ”recalls a resident of Petrozavodsk.

      <...>

      The Finnish camps for the Russians were part of a larger plan to create an ethnically pure state of Great Finland, as announced by Marshal Karl Gustav Mannerheim. Even before the start of the offensive, he signed an order ordering the Russian population to be detained and sent to concentration camps.

      http://usolie.info/news/obshchestvo/fsb-otkryla-arkhivy-o-zverstvakh-finskikh-fashistov-v-karelii.html - цинк

      Then there is an unfunny joke about the need to perpetuate the memory of "the worthy Russian officer Karl Mannerheim" on the site of all Finnish concentration camps.
      I hope these documents are correctly digitized and put into the public domain.
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2020 15: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Spade
      The actions of Finland and the Finns during this period need to be evaluated.

      This is so of course, but there is another interesting "dark page". According to the recollections of several people, a very close-knit and well-trained detachment of Finns, dressed in Russian military uniforms, took part in the storming of the Winter Palace; it was used where it was necessary to suppress any organized attempts of resistance. But there were no Finnish divisions and units in the Russian army
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 April 20 2020 19: 00 New
        +3
        Winter stormed the grenadiers of the 106th Infantry Division. Its chief of staff, Svechnikov, was a supporter of the Bolsheviks and a man devoted to Lenin. Many Bolsheviks opposed the coup, and primarily the influential Zinoviev and Kamenev. And in fact, Lenin personally drove the assault on Zimny, and the main striking force was the fifty thousand soldiers of the 106th infantry division led by Svechnikov, who arrived from Finland. Here they are usually taken for Finns. They crushed any attempts at resistance. request
    3. reservist
      reservist April 20 2020 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Spade
      The actions of Finland and the Finns during this period ...

      it seems that the Finns themselves "are not so simple" about the assessment of this period ...
      1. Kronos
        Kronos April 20 2020 17: 31 New
        -1
        Because there was its own civil war where the white won by cutting out the red it is still not forgotten
        1. reservist
          reservist April 20 2020 18: 21 New
          +2
          the same civilian in which the German expeditionary force took Helsinki?
          1. Kronos
            Kronos April 20 2020 18: 22 New
            -3
            Yes, they just sided with whites
            1. reservist
              reservist April 20 2020 18: 57 New
              -2
              judging by subsequent events, one can probably say that the White Finns were on the side of the Germans ...
  4. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery April 20 2020 14: 50 New
    +2
    This happens very often when Russia helps other nations and peoples gain independence and sovereignty, free themselves from slavery or simply gain the right to be, and these peoples then forget about elementary gratitude or simply impersonate. (Finland, Bulgaria, Belgium, Austria, Romania, Poland, Hungary, Moldova, etc.)
    1. reservist
      reservist April 20 2020 17: 22 New
      0
      and when and how did Belgium help?
      really interesting after all ...
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery April 20 2020 18: 53 New
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        Quote: reservist
        and when and how did Belgium help?
        really interesting after all ...

        Read the biography of Leopold 1, and you'll understand.
        1. reservist
          reservist April 22 2020 11: 40 New
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          I read ...
          in 1814, Leopold rose to the rank of lieutenant general of the Russian imperial army and by 1815 had already left the Russian service
          in 1830 Belgium separated from the Netherlands
          in 1831, the National Congress of Belgium voted for a constitutional monarchy and out of 13 candidates elected Leopold of Saxe-Koburgsky as the first Belgian king

          I don’t understand what is the connection between the service in the Russian army and the fact that Leopold, in order to become the Belgian king, had to marry Louise Maria, daughter of the French king Louis Philippe?
          1. Valery Valery
            Valery Valery April 22 2020 13: 37 New
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            Have you read Wikipedia?
            Russia funded Leopold, supported him politically, and ensured personal security.
            1. reservist
              reservist April 22 2020 14: 12 New
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              yeah, her very ...
              and then what was the interest of the Russian Empire?
              1. Valery Valery
                Valery Valery April 22 2020 14: 53 New
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                Quote: reservist
                yeah, her very ...
                and then what was the interest of the Russian Empire?

                And here everything is very simple, for the same reasons, our military personnel of the Russian Chemical Forces Army are now working in Italy and Serbia:
                1. This is correct.
                2. We can do it.
                3. We want to do this.
                1. reservist
                  reservist April 22 2020 15: 33 New
                  0
                  I still don’t understand ...
                  Belgium helped to separate from the Netherlands ... and Hungary from Austria - no ...
                  1. Valery Valery
                    Valery Valery April 22 2020 19: 37 New
                    0
                    Quote: reservist
                    I still don’t understand ...
                    Belgium helped to separate from the Netherlands ... and Hungary from Austria - no ...

                    Hungarians were not defeated in their rights, Hungary had its own prime minister, de facto and de jure it was the Austro-Hungarian Union.
                    1. reservist
                      reservist April 23 2020 12: 39 New
                      0
                      Then what were the causes of the Hungarian uprising?
                      1. Valery Valery
                        Valery Valery April 23 2020 17: 00 New
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                        Quote: reservist
                        Then what were the causes of the Hungarian uprising?

                        And our Polish "eternal friends" who tried to revive the Rzeczpospolita thought it over. Yes, and in Hungary there were very strong nationalist and radical sentiments, and the Hungarians, just, and wanted more rights than the Austrians. In reality, it was not an uprising, and in Europe these events are called the Austro-Hungarian War. The Hungarians did not want to secede from Austria, they wanted the Hungarian-Austrian Empire and a little bit of Italy.
    2. tatra
      tatra April 20 2020 18: 10 New
      -1
      These are not peoples, these are all enemies of the Bolshevik Communists, who completely lack a sense of gratitude. On the contrary, do not do good - you will not receive evil from them.
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 20 2020 14: 50 New
    +1
    this enemy was recognized by the Russian autocracy.
    That's the whole reason Finns help revolutionaries ...
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 20 2020 14: 51 New
    +8
    Read this information from the "suddenly" section laughing ... Well, nothing sensational or untruthful.
    And this is true
    Unlike a number of post-Soviet republics, modern Finns recognize Lenin's merits for the sovereignty of Finland

    The same Ukraine must pray at the monuments of Lenin, and not overthrow.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 20 2020 15: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      The same Ukraine must pray at the monuments of Lenin, and not overthrow.

  7. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 20 2020 14: 52 New
    0
    they were helped to hide from the royal secret police, provided premises for meetings, printing houses, and even the manufacture of bombs.

    So, even when Finland began to engage in terrorism, it turns out not a country but alkaida-2. I remember back in the 90s, every drunk boasted that he was not a drunkard and a quitter, he just resisted the "hated" regime.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 20 2020 14: 53 New
    +2
    It is necessary to rewrite history once again, destroying Finland first! So that our grandchildren also have something "good" to remember! !!
  9. cost
    cost April 20 2020 14: 53 New
    +2
    the Finnish historian Erkki Vettenniemi even entitled his book “Finland - the base of terror: how Lenin and his comrades destroyed Russia with the support of the Finns.”

    Destroyed Russia? : Yes, and with supportive Finnish help? belay And the Finn seems to be fool
    Whoever in history has not tried to do this — Napoleon and his “comrades,” and Hitler and his “comrades,” and you can't list all such hobbyists. But where are they? laughing
    But Russia, here it is - more alive than all living yes And Erkki Vettenniemi will outlive all his "supportive Finnish comrades" yes -
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 20 2020 14: 55 New
    -1
    You will be surprised, but at one time Volodya Ulyanov was a fierce Christian and was a member of the brotherhood of Sergius of Radonezh. True, as long as his father was alive. laughing
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 15: 05 New
      +2
      Just like Nevzorov. He also sang in the church choir, his forehead on the floor of the church broke and was more Orthodox than the patriarch. And then, suddenly, an atheist, and even a militant.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 20 2020 15: 19 New
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        When Lenin received a letter from believers from the Cherepovets province asking them to give them the opportunity to finish building the church, the construction of which had been started by them before 1917, Vladimir Ilyich wrote: “The completion of the temple is, of course, permitted ...” laughingAnd when a letter from the parishioners of the church at the Military Medical Academy came from Petrograd with a request to cancel the order to turn it into an academy club, Lenin immediately wrote to P.A. Krasikov: “Is it convenient, even under special conditions, to turn a church into a club? Are there any special conditions? Wouldn't it be better to cancel and return the church? / Understand, please, and find out more closely, and send me a short message about the result. "
        1. Kronos
          Kronos April 20 2020 17: 33 New
          -1
          In vain Lenin changed his mind
  11. prior
    prior April 20 2020 14: 56 New
    +6
    But can Finns roll economic claims for help in the collapse of the Russian Empire,
    trillions so on $ 10-20?
    Well, if they don’t pay ...... return to Russia on the rights .... of the Suom region.
    1. Finn
      Finn April 20 2020 15: 07 New
      +4
      Claims were rolled out for them in Finland, in about the 60s only they paid off. Helping the Germans in the blockade of Leningrad on the north side is necessary for this, but this cannot be measured in money.
    2. knn54
      knn54 April 20 2020 15: 48 New
      0
      Something stopped talking about a detachment of grenadier officers from the "Finnish special forces", which took Zimny. Five years ago, even Zhirinovsky mentioned them.
  12. depressant
    depressant April 20 2020 15: 01 New
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    And Herostratus burned the temple of Artemis in his native Ephesus. What, no, but still glory. All the people of the coast have lost!
  13. Shadow
    Shadow April 20 2020 15: 07 New
    +1
    It is terrible to imagine with what fanfare the Uzbeks will declare the Turkestan rebellion a central event for the entire revolutionary movement.
  14. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 20 2020 15: 18 New
    +5
    The monument to Alexander II in Helsinki was created by sculptors Walter Runeberg and Johannes Takanen and opened in 1894 in memory of the restoration of Finnish parliamentarism by Emperor Alexander II. Finns love and appreciate him for this. The principality has its own constitution, its own parliament and political parties. For the first time, Finnish became the official language of local authorities, which gave a powerful impetus to the development of national culture. Locals were not drafted into the Russian army. In economic terms, there were also many exemptions: all taxes and customs duties were sent to the Finnish treasury, and since 1860 the principality received its own currency - the Finnish mark. By the way, the German brand will appear 10 years later.
    Monument to Alexander II

    The year 1917 gave Finland a unique opportunity:
    Taking advantage of the confusion in the revolutionary metropolis, the Finnish Diet declared independence. But the Finnish government was faced with the fact that no one in the world recognized their independence. And they preferred to conduct all affairs with seemingly independent Finland in the old fashioned way, through Russia. Or rather, in any way. Because it was difficult to do business with Soviet Russia of those times. So, perhaps, the separatist upheaval without international replenishment would have faded. Well, who cares then about tiny Finland, when the world was still immersed in the horror of the First World War, and in the largest warring country - Russia - what the hell was going on.


    Vladimir Lenin loved Finland. He was hiding from the police there, and rested from party work. In total, he lived there for a year and a half. It was here, at a party conference in Tampere, that he met Stalin. Therefore, the endorsement by SovNarCom of independence on December 31, 1917 was a New Year's present for Finland: a week later 10 states recognized Suomi. The Finns did not forget this to Lenin. Two monuments have been erected and carefully preserved in the country to the leader of the world proletariat, there is a working Lenin museum. The museum is located in the House of Workers of Tampere, in the same hall where in 1905 Lenin and Stalin first met. A year later, within the same walls, Lenin promised to recognize the independence of Finland if the Bolsheviks came to power.
    Monument in Kotka

    Monument to Turku

    I was in Turku about 12 years ago. Indeed, flowers lay there.
    1. apro
      apro April 20 2020 15: 53 New
      -1
      Mr. Privalov. Why didn’t you mention the refusal of Nicholas 2 of the rights to the Grand Duchy of Finland? Consisting in a personal union with the Russian Tsar ..
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov April 20 2020 16: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: apro
        Mr. Privalov. Why didn’t you mention the refusal of Nicholas 2 of the rights to the Grand Duchy of Finland? Consisting in a personal union with the Russian Tsar ..

        I have not mentioned many here. However, if you insist on the mention of Nicholas II, if you please.
        During his reign, a policy aimed at the Russification of Finland was adopted. On June 20, 1900, the manifesto introduced the Russian language in the clerical work of the Senate and local headquarters. The interim rules on July 2, 1900 placed public meetings under the direct control of the Governor General. An attempt was made to force the Finns to do military service in the Russian army.
        When the Sejm, which had previously made concessions, rejected this demand, the Governor-General of Finland, Adjutant General N. I. Bobrikov, personally appointed to this position by Nicholas II, introduced military courts. The period of Bobrikov’s reign, known under the emotional name “years of oppression”, ended with his assassination in the summer of 1904, and found his political end in a general strike in the fall of 1905. The Russian revolution of 1905 coincided with the rise of the Finnish national liberation movement, and all of Finland joined the All-Russian strike. Political parties, especially the Social Democrats, took part in this movement and put forward their reform program. Nicholas II was forced to repeal decrees restricting Finnish autonomy. After the suppression of the revolution in 1907, the emperor once again tried to consolidate the previous policy by introducing military rule, and it existed until 1917. So the Finns seem to have no particularly good memories of him. hi
        1. apro
          apro April 20 2020 16: 44 New
          0
          Mr. Privalov. You go away a little. With the abdication of tsarist and princely titles by Nicholas 2. There were no reasons for Finland to remain part of Russia. They had all the attributes of the state. They were economically self-sufficient. Own currency and laws ... a management system. ..
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov April 20 2020 17: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: apro
            Mr. Privalov. You go away a little. With the abdication of tsarist and princely titles by Nicholas 2. There were no reasons for Finland to remain part of Russia. They had all the attributes of the state. They were economically self-sufficient. Own currency and laws ... a management system. ..

            Dear apro, you somewhat simplify the events occurring at that time.
            In March 1917, after the abdication of the throne of Nicholas II, the privileges of Finland lost after the 1905 revolution were renewed. A new governor general was appointed and a diet was convened. However, the law on the restoration of autonomous rights of Finland, approved by the Sejm on July 18, 1917, was rejected by the Provisional Government, the Sejm was dissolved, and Russian troops occupied its building.
            On September 1, 1917, the Provisional Government of Russia adopted a decree according to which the Russian Republic was proclaimed on the territory of the Russian Empire and the monarchical mode of government in Russia was finally abolished (before the convening of the Constituent Assembly).
            However, despite this, the Provisional Government continued to consider Finland as part of Russia and on September 4, 1917 he was appointed the new Governor-General of Finland, N.V. Nekrasov, and on September 8 the last Finnish Senate was formed, which had Russian control over itself.
            Only the October Revolution of 1917, which overthrew the Provisional Government, allowed the Finnish Senate to sign the Declaration of Independence of Finland on December 4, 1917, which was approved by parliament on December 6. Thus, the independence of Finland was proclaimed, which was simultaneously declared a republic (Republic of Finland).
            In December 1917, by Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR, it was proposed "to recognize the state independence of the Republic of Finland." hi
            1. apro
              apro April 20 2020 17: 13 New
              -1
              Quote: A. Privalov
              However, despite this, the Provisional Government continued to consider Finland as part of Russia

              But did Finland consider itself as part of Russia? And Russia could not integrate Finland or Poland into a common state for 100 years.
              But the actions of the Bolsheviks. This is a choice from a bad decision and the worst. In connection with the collapse in the army and state.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov April 20 2020 17: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: apro
                But did Finland consider itself as part of Russia? And Russia could not integrate Finland or Poland into a common state for 100 years.
                But the actions of the Bolsheviks. This is a choice from a bad decision and the worst. In connection with the collapse in the army and state.

                Yes, Finland no longer wanted to consider itself as part of Russia.
                Yes, Russia was not able to integrate Finland in 100 years (leave Poland, otherwise we will not get out).
                The situation with the Bolsheviks was worse. Recognizing Finland, they only tried to get rid of a very serious hemorrhoid in the future, but that was not the case. A civil war has already begun there. 35 thousand people died in three months. There was a division into "Reds" who proclaimed the Revolutionary Government of Finland, which took the name of the Council of People's Plenipotentiaries of Finland, which, naturally, were supported by the Russian Soviet Republic and "whites" under the control of the former Finnish Senate. The "Whites" were supported by Kaiser's Germany, which sent its troops to Finland (the First World War was still in full swing) There will still be terror, and tens of thousands will die and concentration camps, and tens of thousands will be arrested, and left-wing deputies will flee to Russia, and Finland will become a kingdom, but the chosen king will never arrive in Finland ... In a word, everything was still brewing there.
                I hope you are already satisfied, or do I need to present the whole history of Finland in a popular form?
                1. apro
                  apro April 20 2020 18: 11 New
                  -1
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  I hope you are already satisfied

                  Yes, and then in the first post one gets the impression that everything was perfect, but then the Bolsheviks appeared ...
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov April 20 2020 18: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: apro
                    Yes, and then in the first post one gets the impression that everything was perfect, but then the Bolsheviks appeared ...

                    With the Bolsheviks there will be another 3 (three!) Wars. But, this is a completely different story. hi
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 16 New
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              In reality, most of the privileges Finland enjoyed in 1907-1917. The Sejm was elected by universal suffrage according to a proportional system, by the way, almost for the first time in the world.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 17 New
                0
                The Grand Duchy of this already existed as part of Sweden. Moved from one state to another.
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 16 New
      +1
      But the main thing was done by Alexander the First, formed the Grand Duchy of Finland. By the way, he gave Vyborg lands. Although Magnus Sprengporten warned him about the fallacy of this step.
  15. Zastupnik
    Zastupnik April 20 2020 15: 35 New
    -5
    how Finland helped destroy the Russian empire

    We ourselves destroy periodically (the so-called troubles), only then we become even stronger .. This is a kind of purification .. So don’t get on the Finns!
  16. iouris
    iouris April 20 2020 15: 56 New
    0
    The title is invalid. Not "Finland" helped (then there was no Finland yet, but there was an autonomous entity within the Empire), but specific political forces connected through Sweden with very influential financial and political circles. Finnish, Georgian, Polish and other nationalist parties and movements saw the destruction of the Empire as a condition for the formation of nation states. The formation of national states was viewed as a condition for realizing the interests of the emerging national bourgeoisie, oriented towards foreign political circles.
    The lesson is that the state structure of the empire did not ensure its existence in the future, reforms were proceeding too slowly, reformist forces were suspected of claims to supreme power, romanticism and good-naturedness in foreign policy, subordination of Russia's interests and resources to the goals of "allies" and creditors, underestimation the enemy and the influence of foreign finance capital on Russian affairs, the orientation of the top officials of the state towards "progressive" France and, behind her back, Great Britain. In the financial sphere, if not dominated, then transnational capital had a strong position, closely connected with the Jewish Zionist circles in the United States, interested in overthrowing tsarism and establishing in Russia a political regime and economic order that would be advantageous to them.
    All this is very relevant.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 19 New
      0
      VKF was rather a state in real union with the Russian Empire.
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 20 2020 15: 59 New
    +1
    how Lenin and his comrades destroyed Russia with supportive Finns

    Some Finns should study another book - "How to manage the universe without attracting the attention of orderlies"

    And yes, there was no "destruction of Russia".
    There was a change in the political system as a result.
  18. Lesorub
    Lesorub April 20 2020 16: 02 New
    +1
    In Finland, they decided to recall the country's contribution to the destruction of the Russian Empire. The Finnish publication Yle emphasizes that without the help of the “Finnish comrades” at one time, it would not have been possible to make a revolution in Russia.

    For this recognition - it is necessary to expose the Finns compensation in eleven lards (it was not necessary to harm Russia)!
    1. iouris
      iouris April 20 2020 21: 11 New
      -4
      Quote: Lesorub
      Finam must be compensated

      1) Why do you write the word "Finam" with a capital letter, huh?
      2) Would you like to receive the consequences of the "Tatar-Mongol yoke"? Who is the victim?
      3) You can also try to recover "for sabotage of Russia" from some Russians (at the terrible Basmanny court). Here we will talk about trillions (and not rubles).
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 21 2020 13: 21 New
      0
      According to the rules of the Russian language, it is customary to write Finn, Finns, with a double "n". And the names of peoples are not capitalized.
  19. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 20 2020 16: 11 New
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    In the XNUMXth century, relations between the Russian revolutionaries and Finnish nationalists were practically absent, but at the beginning of the XNUMXth century they began to develop rapidly. This was due to two circumstances: firstly, the Finnish Grand Duchy began to develop and strengthen its own socialist movement, and secondly, the Finnish and Russian revolutionaries became aware of the common enemy, and the Russian autocracy was recognized as this enemy.

    There was a third reason. More precisely, the main one: the Empire was closely engaged in the VKF, trying to turn it from an independent state within the Empire (with rights greater than that of the Metropolis) into imperial territory. Well national identity immediately boomed - until the assassination of the Governor-General of Finland.
  20. den3080
    den3080 April 20 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    I liked the name of the Finnish expert Janis-Isokangas. Translated into Russian Hare-Large rag (piece of fabric).
    smile
    Wolf-Toothed Click
    laughing
    inspired
    and the surname Zidane, speaks of the Algerian roots of another expert.
  21. ccsr
    ccsr April 20 2020 18: 08 New
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    Author:
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№
    Now in Finland there are two monuments to Vladimir Ilyich - in Turku and Kotka. Unlike a number of post-Soviet republics, modern Finns recognize Lenin's merits for the sovereignty of Finland,

    It is good that there are peoples left who have a concept of historical honesty in relation to people of past eras, and they do not stoop to the level of our former "brothers" who spat upon not only Lenin, but also our victory in the Great Patriotic War.
    No one denies the participation of Finnish revolutionaries in our history, but it seems to me that their role in our revolution is exaggerated, although their territory was used due to their proximity to our then capital. At least they did not hear about their serious influence in the CPSU (b) in the course "History of the CPSU" of the Soviet period.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 20 2020 19: 12 New
      -3
      And none of the enemies of the USSR outside the USSR will, at the expense of their country and people, the history of their country, defend the enemies of the USSR and Soviet power on the territory of the USSR. And these enemies of the USSR and Soviet power on the territory of the USSR rush to defend the White Finns, the White Poles, the invaders of Russia and the USSR, the invaders and the Nazis, and the anti-Soviet-Russophobic West, to which they are trying to give the Victory of the Soviet people.
  22. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 20 2020 20: 00 New
    +1
    One Finn (speaking Russian) in YouTube said Finland was 400 years old under Sweden, Sweden gave Finland nothing, Russia was 100 years old and Finland gave Russia everything.
    1. reservist
      reservist April 22 2020 12: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Vadim Golubkov
      Finland near Sweden was 400 years old

      like 700
  23. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 21 2020 00: 20 New
    0
    The author forgot the classics of the revolution: the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want. The article itself is slag, the Finns were dragged.
  24. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 21 2020 00: 22 New
    0
    Quote: tatra
    And none of the enemies of the USSR outside the USSR will, at the expense of their country and people, the history of their country, defend the enemies of the USSR and Soviet power on the territory of the USSR. And these enemies of the USSR and Soviet power on the territory of the USSR rush to defend the White Finns, the White Poles, the invaders of Russia and the USSR, the invaders and the Nazis, and the anti-Soviet-Russophobic West, to which they are trying to give the Victory of the Soviet people.

    Who are you talking about ?! did not try to use a quote ?!
  25. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber April 21 2020 07: 03 New
    +2
    For the victims of the exam, it can also be a discovery. And in my school years - about the cooperation of the RSDLP (b) and the Finnish Party of Active Resistance - was written in bright colors of the rainbow in the books of the publishing house "Children's Literature".
  26. georggy
    georggy April 21 2020 14: 49 New
    0
    Wading brakes wandered.
  27. Tartar
    Tartar April 22 2020 15: 14 New
    0
    Of course, there will be no news about the 150th anniversary of V.I. Lenin.