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Rostec announced the development of modular "airship transformers"

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Rostec announced the development of modular "airship transformers"

Rostec began developing modular airships with variable load capacities. According to the press service of the state corporation, demonstration samples will be presented in 2021.


As explained in Rostec, the promising airship is made in the form of a semi-rigid structure, the load capacity of which can be adjusted by lengthening the shell by adding modules located between the bow and tail compartments. Adding one module allows you to increase the carrying capacity by 4 tons. The use of the modular design of the airship in comparison with the traditional scheme allows you to increase profitability and reduce the cost of maintaining the fleet.

It is stated that these versatile airships can be used to deliver any cargo, including heavy and oversized, to any areas inaccessible to ground vehicles. It does not require the creation of complex ground-based infrastructure. Cargo transportation carried out with the help of modular airships is especially relevant for remote regions with insufficiently developed road infrastructure.

The airships were developed at the Dolgoprudnensky Design Automation Bureau (DKBA), which is part of the Russian Electronics State Corporation Rostec.

Demo models of modular airship transport systems of both types will be developed in 2021

- said the general director of the DKBA
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 19 2020 10: 39 New
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    And who is the customer?
    For whom will all this be done?
    In Russia, airships are very rarely seen ... it seems to be an economical thing, but the development of airships in the country is somehow not observed.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 19 2020 10: 49 New
      10
      the airship is too much dependent on the wind, therefore it is not observed, the sailing is fucking
      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 19 2020 10: 57 New
        +2
        Demonstration models of modular airship transport systems of both types will be developed in 2021 - said the general director of the DCBA

        This is "speed" smile
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 19 2020 10: 58 New
          +8
          Count Zeppelin is resting ...
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            1. novel66
              novel66 April 19 2020 11: 34 New
              +6
              great !! lol still!!
            2. DMB 75
              DMB 75 April 19 2020 11: 37 New
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              And I like about Eroplan
              There is a meeting on the farm.
              Chairman: - Our collective farm has finally handed over the state harvest! We need to decide where to spend the money ...
              Tractor driver: - You have to buy a new tractor!
              PR: - No ... not enough for a tractor ...
              Watchman - Kuzmich: - And let's buy plywood!
              PR: - Wait a minute, Kuzmich, with plywood!
              Milkmaids: - Let's build a new farm - the old one fell apart, milk the cows - hands freeze!
              PR: - Not ... the farm is also not enough ...
              K: - I say buy plywood and ...
              All: - Leave me alone with plywood, Kuzmich ...
              Headmaster: - We need a new school ...
              PR: - It would be nice ... but the trouble is, and we will not have enough money for a new school ...
              K: - So I say - enough for plywood!
              PR and all: - Well, that's enough! Why do we need plywood? Come on, say, got it already!
              K: - But why!
              Let's buy plywood for all this money, build EROPLAN, and fly away - to hell! - from this, his mother, a collective farm !!!
      2. Klingon
        Klingon April 19 2020 11: 42 New
        +4
        it depends not only on the wind, but also on the presence of helium, if helium were not so expensive, it would not be worth 2 hours of an entertaining flight over Lake Constance (starting and landing at Friedrichshafen Airport) 600 eurotugs. So I don’t see any economic benefits
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: Klingon
          So I don’t see any economic benefits

          A helicopter is much more expensive.
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka April 19 2020 14: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: Klingon
            So I don’t see any economic benefits

            A helicopter is much more expensive.

            In short, you need to create a design bureau and design a fused lapid ... and entrust it to red Tolik.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 19 2020 15: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: Skalendarka
              and charge it to redhead Tolik.

              If you want a result, then yes.
              1. Aag
                Aag April 19 2020 18: 01 New
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                He has no time. He is developing draft nano-oxen for ground-based eco-transport.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 19 2020 18: 59 New
                  -3
                  Quote: AAG
                  He is developing

                  He is not developing anything. He organizes the development. And it’s very effective.
                  1. Aag
                    Aag April 19 2020 19: 21 New
                    +1
                    At one time, he developed energy very efficiently! ...
                    Are there any other examples?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov April 19 2020 19: 24 New
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                      Quote: AAG
                      At one time, he developed energy very efficiently! ...
                      Are there any other examples?

                      Excellent designed. Works so far without much change ...

                      Damn, I understand. at one time he was scolded because Yeltsin and his entourage were afraid to scold. Although the decision to reform the EU RAO was not made by Chubais. Not his level.
                      But now Yeltsin is dead, what are you afraid of?
                      1. Aag
                        Aag April 19 2020 19: 54 New
                        +1
                        "Perfectly designed. Works so far without major changes ..."
                        It works on further colonization of Russia. Check out the percentage of shares of foreign companies in the Angara basin hydroelectric power stations. The state budget is milked regularly. It’s asking for pension savings, since housing and communal services didn’t work out. Mortgage auctions are history, but we all wonder where the industry went!
                        I suspect, of course, that the CAB is not a fearless loner ... But this is a topic for another branch. hi
        2. den3080
          den3080 April 19 2020 12: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Klingon
          it depends not only on the wind, but also on the presence of helium, if helium were not so expensive, it would not be worth 2 hours of an entertaining flight over Lake Constance (starting and landing at Friedrichshafen Airport) 600 eurotugs. So I don’t see any economic benefits

          Well, what helium ??? Pure hydrogen !!
          It is much cheaper smile
          1. Klingon
            Klingon April 19 2020 13: 11 New
            +4
            hydrogen is explosive, and helium, as it were, does not burn at all.
            with hydrogen, under unsuccessful circumstances, Zeppelin 2.0 can be obtained
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 19 2020 13: 40 New
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            Quote: den3080
            Well, what helium ??? Pure hydrogen !!

            catastrophes of hydrogen airships taught nothing?

            But this aircraft was about to leave the stage, including due to the fault of this gas. Only when they decided to fill the shell with helium did the airships fly for some time, and all current devices of this type are helium. But helium is quite expensive compared to hydrogen.
            1. den3080
              den3080 April 19 2020 16: 04 New
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              Remember, remember "Hindenburg" :) but now the technology is different. Chubais to charge, purely on subcontracting. His nanocorporation will quickly spoil something hydrogen ... and there will be no trace of sweat, only ash, with flakes.
          3. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo April 19 2020 13: 43 New
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            Quote: den3080
            Well, what helium ??? Pure hydrogen !!
            It is much cheaper

            And easier, i.e. lift is higher.
        3. Amateur
          Amateur April 19 2020 12: 32 New
          0
          don't be helium so expensive

          They would not have inflated children's balloons then.
          Well, how many eureka to slap off a tourist, “there is no crime that capital would not go for 300% profit”. (It turns out that K. Marx is not at all!)
          1. Klingon
            Klingon April 19 2020 13: 12 New
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            You compared the helium consumption for balls and a 30-meter cigar
            1. Amateur
              Amateur April 19 2020 13: 26 New
              +2
              At Ali Baba, 1 cubic meter of helium is ~ $ 20. Gazprom has ~ 900-1200 rubles. It is now extracted from natural gas.
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 19 2020 13: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Amateur
            They wouldn’t have inflated children's balloons

            how much helium is in the balloon, and how much is in the airship?
            If the volume of the ball is 0,05 cubic meters, then how many of them are needed to fill the shell with a volume of 200 thousand cubic meters. m, like Hindenburg (for example) ??? Which calculated only 100 tons maximum (on helium will raise less).

            One match also seems to be worth nothing, but tens or hundreds of thousands of cubic meters of lumber - already a pretty penny
            1. Amateur
              Amateur April 19 2020 14: 36 New
              +1
              then how many of them are needed to fill the shell with a volume of 200 thousand cubic meters. m

              200000 * 1000 rubles = 200000000 rubles = ~ 3 million $. + $ 3 million shell.
              The cost of IL-76 is approximately $ 50 million
              So "you will have to look very, very hard."
              If it were not for the strange death of the Hindenburg in the USA and the USSR-B6 near Kandalaksha, it is not known how aviation would have developed in the world.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 19 2020 16: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Amateur
                If it were not for the strange death of the Hindenburg in the USA and the USSR-B6 near Kandalaksha, it is not known how aviation would have developed in the world.

                Yes, exactly the same. Aircraft combining qualities such as speed, carrying capacity, safety - out of competition

                By the way, the airship skeleton is more complicated and more expensive than an airframe. For one simple reason - it must combine very low weight with high strength and rigidity, minimize linear dimensions and geometry depending on temperature. The same requirements apply to the shell - in addition, it must have a low throughput for gas molecules (in order to minimize leakage)
                In addition, the problem arises of combating icing of the shell (and the Conditions under which icing can occur are possible in a variety of conditions, with high humidity, fog, cloudiness, precipitation and temperatures below zero)
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 19 2020 19: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Gregory_45
              how much helium is in the balloon, and how much is in the airship?

              Thermal plans still under the USSR began to actively develop
        4. Andrey Stavropolsky
          Andrey Stavropolsky April 19 2020 17: 00 New
          +2
          If my memory serves me, then in the Amur region they built a mega-plant for processing natural products China. Impurities will be emitted from natural times. Including and helium. They wrote something about 20% of world helium consumption. If true, then the price of helium will fall.
          1. Letnab
            Letnab April 20 2020 07: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Andrew Stavropol
            If my memory serves me, then in the Amur region they built a mega-plant for processing natural products China. Impurities will be emitted from natural times. Including and helium. They wrote something about 20% of world helium consumption. If true, then the price of helium will fall.

            Not yet built .. Five years later, it will reach its full potential according to plans.
        5. srha
          srha April 19 2020 21: 24 New
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          On CH4, colloquially methane, it will be cheap.
        6. Rzzz
          Rzzz April 20 2020 02: 05 New
          0
          An unmanned airship can also be launched on hydrogen. Much cheaper.
        7. KCA
          KCA April 20 2020 07: 21 New
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          In connection with the launch and construction of very large LNG plants, the price of helium can directly decrease several times (the release of helium and other inert gases is an associated process during liquefaction, and its importance was especially mentioned)
      3. svp67
        svp67 April 19 2020 13: 15 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        the airship is too much dependent on the wind

        You might think that this is only his case, any of our aircraft depends on him, any.
        Quote: novel xnumx
        sailing sail

        But here you can add "+" to the "-", changing the altitude and finding a tailwind, you can move in the right direction without any fuel consumption.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 19 2020 13: 53 New
          -2
          Quote: svp67
          the airship is too much dependent on the wind

          You might think that this is only his case, any of our aircraft depends on him, any.

          but each to a different degree. The wind has the least effect on vehicles heavier than air at a good speed. The higher the mass and speed, the less susceptible the apparatus to external disturbances. I’m talking about sailing and drag as well.
          Did not see how the balls fly? Where the wind drives him. And how does a plane fly? Two huge differences.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 19 2020 15: 47 New
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            Two huge differences.

            I agree why engines are installed on airships ... they are not just "hot air balloons"
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 April 19 2020 16: 28 New
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              Quote: svp67
              for which engines are installed on airships

              set. But this does not remove the great dependence on weather conditions. A large drag and a large sail does not allow to speak about any maneuverability.
              Have you seen airliners landing in a strong crosswind? Now imagine in place a multi-ton machine with good kinetic energy, an airship. Without landing from the ground, he makes a problem landing.
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 19 2020 16: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Now imagine in place a multi-ton machine with good kinetic energy, an airship.

                Well, thank God at that time there was a newsreel and how they did it can be seen firsthand, but you do not forget that, unlike an airplane, an airship, if necessary, can land on any flat surface or moor to the structure, if only there are mooring mechanisms
            2. Rzzz
              Rzzz April 20 2020 02: 10 New
              -1
              Airships are not hot air balloons. Hot air balloon is a hot air balloon. Light gas is called Charlier. By the name of the inventor.
    2. Finches
      Finches April 19 2020 10: 54 New
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      Will develop! And not only transformable transformers ... There, Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov, an industrial director, is a big specialist in transforming budget money! laughing
      1. Rate
        Rate April 19 2020 11: 12 New
        -4
        Quote: Finches
        Will develop! And not only transformable transformers ... There, Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov, an industrial director, is a big specialist in transforming budget money! laughing

        So there will be something interesting .. laughing I remember Serdyukov was kicked and literally a couple of years later in Russia the latest weapons and other rearmaments began. Crimea was taken, very well equipped and trained and "polite" without identification marks and without shooting .. Then a throw to Syria ..
        Well, Taburetkin, again, he was planning something))))) soldier
        1. Finches
          Finches April 19 2020 11: 50 New
          +7
          You are here, God forgive me, do not advertise the hero of the nation! I survived 8 in the Armed Forces, God forbid, ministers of defense - and this was the worst of the worst! And what and where our army made a breakthrough - this conversation is not for everyone to see! hi
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 19 2020 13: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            and it was the worst of the worst!

            Controversial.
            End of 1998. The guard stomps to the garrison guard on foot. There is no fuel for the car on duty. At the head of the heroic chief. Not getting denied. Allowance for 5 months. The tent sold yesterday from the "Ural" to buy soap-velvet fighters ...
            And yes, the Minister of Defense is not Serdyukov
            1. Finches
              Finches April 19 2020 13: 39 New
              +6
              I experienced the 90s in my own skin ... I know everything perfectly! But I will also tell you one seditious thing - in 1998, the army was stronger in spirit than the army in 2020 ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 19 2020 15: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                in 1998, the army was stronger in spirit

                Anyone who has not escaped?
                It is rather not "spirit" here, but patience
                1. Finches
                  Finches April 19 2020 15: 13 New
                  +1
                  Let me disagree! Literally a year later, the professional army of the Mujahideen learned this on themselves ... hi
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov April 19 2020 15: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Finches
                    Literally a year later, the professional army of the Mujahideen learned this on themselves ...

                    Yeah 8))))
                    Officers were gathered from all over Russia. In order not to run away, a business trip, followed by a translation order
                    1. Finches
                      Finches April 19 2020 15: 20 New
                      +1
                      If you compare with the first - it was an order of magnitude more organized, but in the herd there is always a black sheep and will run away and begin to complain! For example, in the communications battalion, the lieutenant, platoon commander, did not want to return from vacation when the brigade left for the Caucasus and all were withdrawn from vacations by order of the District Commander — did it need to be replaced by someone? Time was not easy! Combined regiments did not disappear anywhere, but they were formed differently ... The conclusions were made correctly, but this has nothing to do with Serdyukov - it was intended to destroy the Soviet army potential and create a new one! But that's another story! I have the honor! soldier
                      1. Finches
                        Finches April 19 2020 15: 22 New
                        +4
                        And do not try, please! hi For me, a personnel officer of the Armed Forces - who has served from and to, Comrade Serdyukov will be the last but one! I have the honor! soldier
        2. Same lech
          Same lech April 19 2020 12: 37 New
          +3
          I remember Serdyukov stumbled and literally a couple of years in Russia the latest weapons and other rearmament began Crimea took

          Correctly stumbled ... there was nothing to multiply the Babskiy battalion in the Ministry of Defense ... you, you ... wanted to combine business with pleasure.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog April 19 2020 11: 12 New
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      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And who is the customer?

      Before the Olympics in 2014, the construction of airships was already announced .. moreover, on a grand scale, they were to produce in Ulyanovsk. But actually this all ended, not having time to start.
      Somehow all the news goes around in a circle .. then they are forgotten, after 5-6 years again ..
      1. Thrall
        Thrall April 19 2020 11: 19 New
        +7
        So soon and on the bike ... smile
        1. for
          for April 19 2020 15: 17 New
          +3

          Late. All the old chests shook.
      2. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi April 19 2020 11: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        But actually this all ended, not having time to start.

        Naturally, in general, that. Here, purely theoretically, a single airship can be economical. That, in general, too, is far from a fact. But here is the infrastructure for it .... Which will be idle for years. This is a separate song. To fulfill which, the bad dumb.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 19 2020 11: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Svarog
          But actually this all ended, not having time to start.

          Naturally, in general, that. Here, purely theoretically, a single airship can be economical. That, in general, too, is far from a fact. But here is the infrastructure for it .... Which will be idle for years. This is a separate song. To fulfill which, the bad dumb.

          Airships are a very interesting topic .. from which I have been following it since 2014 .. There are essentially two problems there, it is explosive gas and a fabric that lets gas through .. here in 2014 it was reported that the problem was solved and helium seemed to be finalized and got a gas that is less explosive and the problem is solved with the fabric .. But since then it’s silent. I think they lied, as usual .. Because by solving these two problems, you can get an excellent means of moving goods that do not need roads, thereby unloading federal highways and, in addition, significantly save on delivery ..
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter April 19 2020 11: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog
            a very interesting topic .. from which I have been following it since 2014 .. There are essentially two problems there, it is explosive gas and a fabric that lets gas through

            Helium is inert gas, and has always been inert ... explosive - this is hydrogen, and that is not by itself, but mixed with atmospheric oxygen ... And the shells - yes, lose gas. The area is huge. Oozing slowly ...
            For this, there are systems for automatic maintenance of pressure in the shell. Helium is expensive. Much more expensive than hydrogen ... But for this, and gas processing plants ... Amur GPP, for example. Purifies gas in the power of Siberia, and simultaneously extracts a sea of ​​"goodies", including helium ... Helium cylinder, 6 m3 at atmospheric pressure (40 liters x150 ATM) - it costs clear money. And you need a lot of such balloons to fill an airship. Payload - 1kg / m3 volume ... There will be no cheap helium - airships will be an expensive toy, IMHO. Or dangerous if filled with cheap hydrogen ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog April 19 2020 11: 55 New
              -1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Carrying capacity - 1kg / m3 of volume ... There will be no cheap helium - airships will be an expensive toy

              Unfortunately, I don’t remember what kind of gas they created instead of helium, but such information was .. they say it’s cheap, and by characteristics it is like helium.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter April 19 2020 12: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Svarog
                Unfortunately, I don’t remember what kind of gas they created instead of helium, but such information was .. they say it’s cheap, and by characteristics it is like helium.

                A school course of inorganic chemistry is arguing with you. 1 g. Mol of gas occupies a volume of 22.4 liters.
                1 mole of hydrogen - 2 g. 1 g. Mol of helium - 4 g. 1 g. Mol of air 29 gr. The difference and gives lift. The lightest organic methane - 16 !!!
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 19 2020 12: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            I’ve been following her since 2014 ... There are essentially two problems there, it is explosive gas.helium sort of finished and got gas that is less explosive

            Have been following for 6 years and do not know that helium is an inert gas. It does not burn, much less explode. And how can you "modify" a chemical element? request
            1. Svarog
              Svarog April 19 2020 12: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Have been following for 6 years and do not know that helium is an inert gas. It does not burn, much less explode. And how can you "modify" a chemical element?

              I’m not following the technical details, I wanted to buy a stock in 2014 from the Ulyanovsk enterprise ..
              They even got a site .. the truth did not become working.
          3. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 19 2020 14: 04 New
            -2
            Quote: Svarog
            There are essentially two problems there, this is explosive gas and the fabric that passes gas .. here in 2014 they reported that the problem was solved and helium seemed to be modified and received gas that was less explosive and the problem was solved with the fabric.

            helium is an inert gas, which is why it replaced hydrogen as a filler in the shell.
            But at the same time, helium has a very large penetrating power - i.e. leaves the shell through the casing. And therefore, its volume must be constantly replenished. And for this - continuously produce helium, deliver it to airship-based locations, have gas stations, etc.
            1. Rzzz
              Rzzz April 20 2020 02: 13 New
              0
              Hydrogen also has great penetrating power, no worse than helium. But it is a lot of it and it is cheap, it is not a pity.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 20 2020 07: 57 New
                -1
                Quote: rzzz
                Hydrogen also has great penetrating power, no worse than helium. But it is a lot of it and it is cheap, it is not a pity

                and also hydrogen burns well, unlike inert helium. Have you heard anything about burnt airships?
                1. Rzzz
                  Rzzz April 20 2020 19: 08 New
                  0
                  If you do not carry people on them, then you can use hydrogen. It will be much cheaper. Burn - yes, sometimes. But even airplanes on the most ordinary kerosene burn sometimes.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 20 2020 19: 44 New
                    -1
                    Quote: rzzz
                    If you don’t carry people on them, then you can also use hydrogen

                    Accidents always happen exclusively in a deserted non-urban area? Possible damage and casualties on earth are not taken into account?
                    1. Rzzz
                      Rzzz April 20 2020 22: 36 New
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                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Possible damage and casualties on earth are not taken into account?

                      Life in general is not easy and dangerous ...
          4. pmkemcity
            pmkemcity April 20 2020 05: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            . Because having solved these two problems, you can get an excellent means of moving goods that do not need roads, thereby unloading federal highways and, in addition, significantly save on delivery ..

            What they won’t come up with, that would not build roads.
          5. Klingon
            Klingon April 20 2020 09: 53 New
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            Since when did inert helium become explosive, please tell me? you discover new laws in chemistry))
        2. Stalllker
          Stalllker April 19 2020 11: 56 New
          -9
          You can keep it in the field, what other infrastructure is needed ?! Explain? Roads and cabins? You need nothing more than a small airfield, and this is "penny"
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 19 2020 12: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Stalllker
            what other infrastructure is needed?

            Hangars, and very large.
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              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 46 New
                +3
                Quote: Stalllker
                What nah hangars ????? Why did you get this at all ???

                Germans used to


                Now we have


                Kirzhach, Vladimir region
                1. Stalllker
                  Stalllker April 19 2020 13: 21 New
                  -7
                  But it’s not that a different technology for manufacturing a bubble is indicated in the article ?!
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 19 2020 16: 52 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Stalllker
                    But it’s not that a different technology for manufacturing a bubble is indicated in the article ?!

                    the article on the design of the shell says little. It said that they were going to make shells modular - i.e. assembled from several sections. But this in no way affects the fact that the airship needs infrastructure (hangars, mooring masts, etc.), which competent people are trying to convey to you
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 19 2020 14: 07 New
                -1
                Quote: Stalllker
                What nah hangars ?????

                Big ones. So that the whole airship climbed into it. Protection from precipitation and gusts of wind (otherwise a hurricane can also be carried away with the mast), as well as maintenance and repair - or do you propose to do everything in the open?)

                Need equipment platforms - mast, navigation and landing systems, etc.
          2. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi April 19 2020 12: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Stalllker
            You can keep it in the field, what other infrastructure is needed?

            It is possible in the field. However, bonfires can also be fired at the powder warehouse. And in the second case, and in the first it doesn’t immediately fall apart. You will have time to take your soul.
            Quote: Stalllker
            Roads and cabins

            Are you probably pure humanities? Have you heard of the need for MOT? For a fleet of hundreds of ground vehicles, which in the worst case will be a joke, a hundred kilometers from the base, there are two dozen such cabins. And what are you planning to fuel this engineering miracle with? Or will it work on the will of the crew? And make up for lost gas? And reservoirs, for ensuring fire safety of this camp? And dispatching services? Here in Pobedilovo, for example, in an extremely shallow airport, if you can, only 3 buildings are allocated for radars. And the sewer? Or let your dirgebandela drown in something that smells bad? And warehouses for cargo? And the security service? And what about food items for this miserable handful of a couple of hundreds of people? Have you ever been to the airport at least once? Not as a passenger? I will tell you a terrible secret. The passenger terminal, against the background of the airport as a whole, is a trifle unworthy of mention.
            1. Stalllker
              Stalllker April 19 2020 13: 27 New
              -5
              Yes, I beg you, the Yenisei Airport, the Kuznetsovsky Small Aviation Airport, and so on. At these airports, parking for personal vehicles is greater than the area of ​​working infrastructure. I’m silent about the airport in Podtesovo, one building under the ticket office. Such devices will be piece-wise and the city will not be fenced for, as they say, inflate staff
              1. Nehist
                Nehist April 19 2020 16: 20 New
                -1
                Gg, I'm belittling you !!! If they are piece-wise then why are they needed? The game is not worth the candle
                1. Stalllker
                  Stalllker April 20 2020 03: 35 New
                  -2
                  I’m ruining you a techie, not a humanist, and you don’t rummage in economics with management
                2. Stalllker
                  Stalllker April 20 2020 03: 39 New
                  -2
                  How many road trains in Russia that can carry 1000+ tons of cargo?
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 19 2020 16: 59 New
                -2
                Quote: Stalllker
                Such devices will be piece-wise and the city will not be fenced for, as they say, inflate staff

                piecewise they do not need anyone - a lot of costs, zero exhaust. But, even if you imagine that a certain company bought just one an airship, infrastructure is still needed for it. It must be stored somewhere, maintained, etc.
                An airship is not a car that can be abandoned in a paid parking lot, but if something happens, it can be driven off to a service and it will be repaired there. Here - all by yourself, you know, and do parking, and have a repair shop, and warehouses, and gas stations, etc.

                You have extremely strange reasoning, consumer reasoning, you would say that you never encountered or even thought about the flip side of the matter (where does bread, gasoline come from, why do you have internet at home, etc.) It’s just that’s all , and bread - it grows in a supermarket, I go there for it) right?
                1. Stalllker
                  Stalllker April 20 2020 03: 39 New
                  -2
                  How many road trains in Russia that can carry 1000+ tons of cargo?
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 20 2020 07: 23 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Stalllker
                    How many road trains in Russia that can carry 1000+ tons of cargo?

                    were we not talking about road trains, or did we lose the thread of discussion? Are there objections to what is written?

                    Quote: Stalllker
                    which can carry 1000+ tons of cargo

                    Can you imagine such an airship? Hindenburg with an estimated carrying capacity of 100 tons had a volume of 200 thousand cubic meters and was pumped with hydrogen. Helium will provide lower lift.
                    Have you heard anything about the modular design? When is the final product assembled from parts?
                    You are not a techie, you are a dreamer)
                    1. Stalllker
                      Stalllker April 20 2020 13: 08 New
                      -2
                      I’m telling you that there is a specific special equipment that exists in small quantities and is made to order. And in this case, a large-capacity airship can exist in one copy. And I'll tell you about the size, remember the size of the first submarines and compare it with the Shark, I don't think that during the First World War anyone could have imagined an "underwater multi-entrance five-story building"
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 20 2020 14: 52 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Stalllker
                        there is a specific special equipment that exists in small quantities and is made to order

                        for God's sake.
                        This does not negate the fact that under this technique it will be necessary to create the infrastructure mentioned above.
                        And after the construction, the airship will be idle, or it will need to be disposed of so that it does not eat money. If the resulting benefit pays for the costs of building and operating a balloon - for God's sake. And this, again, is a very specific technique, a piece product, and you can’t even dream of hundreds of furious open spaces of the fifth ocean of airships
                    2. Stalllker
                      Stalllker April 20 2020 13: 13 New
                      -2
                      And I know about modularity, I work as a shift. And not everything can be assembled locally. It is not always possible to withstand welding technology. And at the expense of dreamers, as a rule, all visionaries are science fiction and much else is described in books, and after many years it was brought to life
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 20 2020 14: 54 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Stalllker
                        And not everything can be assembled locally. It is not always possible to withstand welding technology.

                        all this is decided by the development of construction technologies, and not by the construction of monsters for dragging thousand-ton cargo
                        Indeed, they just won’t come up with it, if they don’t build roads and develop technologies
            2. Maverick78
              Maverick78 April 19 2020 13: 32 New
              -1
              Here you can argue a bit ... let's say that there will be a certain number of base airfields with all of the above ... and in places where the zabs will not be based there will not be enough small sites with a small infrastructure ... IMHO, with the development of technology, this type of transport can return.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi April 19 2020 13: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Maverick78
                let's say that there will be a certain number of base airfields with all of the above ...

                Often, the base airfield is unprofitable even where flights dozens per day are calculated. Everything, too, was victoriously deep and hopelessly unprofitable. With a passenger flow of a thousand per day. You just estimate the cost of building the airship, its maintenance, the volume of goods for transportation and send the innovators to FIG.
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 19 2020 17: 04 New
                -2
                Quote: Maverick78
                Here you can argue a bit ... let's say that there will be a certain number of base airfields with all of the above ... and in places where the zabs will not be based there will not be enough small sites with a small infrastructure ... IMHO, with the development of technology, this type of transport can return.

                so that the equipment makes a profit, so that its operation covers losses for the creation of itself, for the creation and maintenance of infrastructure, fuel, taxes, salaries, etc. - the technique should work. Work constantly. Any simple loss.
                Passenger liners are on the ground only during repairs and maintenance. The rest of the time is in the air. Is there a niche for airships with such volumes?
      3. akribos
        akribos April 19 2020 12: 09 New
        0
        At the Olympics, there were quite a lot of airships. On the perimeter, were hung.
      4. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru April 19 2020 15: 02 New
        0
        This is generally such a state- ,, sur ,,, state- ,, chimera ,, (as he was called by one big already former cadet), respected Svarog.
        We (,, mi ,, - with a Georgian accent) advise you to call it - ,, RK ,, (,, Russia Capitalist ,,). State - ,, Balloon ,,. Self-confident VOID. Either the airships are about to launch, then the elevator to the moon. What kind of projects? There are no An-2 level aircraft (1947 machine) no initial flight training aircraft, no aviation schools. Neither civilian nor military ... ,, Collective Farm ,, Big Dyshlo ,, Program ,, 2020 ,, failed (and are silent like mice), it’s time and probably think about, 3030 development strategy ,,.
        Ingenious Krylov: ,, ... and you, friends, do not sit down - everyone is not good at musicians! ,,
        Not life, but, the image of life, crazy, advertisement, ... Satan is called, the monkey of God, ... Well, the servants are the same. Endless ,, grimacing ,,,, grimacing ,,. Who do they want to convince? Who do they want to deceive? Why do they believe that it’s getting away with it ,,?
        Oh good. Christ is risen!
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 19 2020 11: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      In Russia, airships are very rarely seen ... it seems to be an economical thing, but the development of airships in the country is somehow not observed.

      As everything is beautiful in the model, it is even better painted on paper. It seems that a little more - and railways, vehicles are not needed ... From the river transport there will only be walking ...

      And let's look at the history of the issue with the favorite magazine of my (and, I am sure, not only my) youth "Technology for Youth"





      So when? Invent, invent ... Maybe it's time to invent?
      1. alone
        alone April 19 2020 12: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        So when? Invent, invent ... Maybe it's time to invent?

        I wonder how much money is spent on this invention, which has long been invented?
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 19 2020 10: 39 New
    +1
    Interesting idea. Insert cylindrical sections of 4 thousand cubic meters, increasing load capacity as needed.
    1. Rate
      Rate April 19 2020 11: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Interesting idea. Insert cylindrical sections of 4 thousand cubic meters, increasing load capacity as needed.

      Cheap and cheerful, that’s the main thing! hi
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker April 19 2020 11: 53 New
        -3
        The main thing is to implement and promote the idea on the market, but I am more than sure that the turn will be for such services
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 19 2020 14: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Stavka
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Interesting idea. Insert cylindrical sections of 4 thousand cubic meters, increasing load capacity as needed.

        Cheap and cheerful, that’s the main thing!

        what is cheap then? Imagine what it means to put a section? This disassemble the shell of the airship (and the shell itself must also be sectional - otherwise you will have to bleed all the helium), insert the section, reassemble. Balance the entire device (and the center of gravity will change when you install the insert on any). But this is so far laborious.
        If the shell is sectional, it is more complicated and heavier (each section should have its own frame, its own valves for pumping and bleeding helium, its own sensors, etc.). In addition - ballast for alignment alignment.
        All this eats up a tangible share of the increase in lift.

        Is the game worth the candle? In my opinion, no - a lot of excess hemorrhoids. And no one will use it - they will work with a configuration that provides max. required load capacity - i.e. overweight will always fly with ballast
  3. lucul
    lucul April 19 2020 10: 41 New
    +1
    It is stated that these versatile airships can be used for the delivery of any cargo, including heavy and oversized, to any areas inaccessible to ground equipment.

    What are you saying? And with a strong wind, how? He has the same sail - hoo. The strong wind of the truck turns nafig, and then soooo bandurina .....
    1. Astartes
      Astartes April 19 2020 10: 50 New
      0
      Why are you reacting to the delusions of thieves and drug addicts, it's time to ignore their sick fantasies.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: lucul
      What are you saying? And with a strong wind, how?

      Same.
      I recall that back in 1926, almost 100 years ago, the airship flew across the North Pole from Svalbard to Alaska.

      There were clearly better conditions than in the summer over the taiga.
      1. martin-159
        martin-159 April 19 2020 13: 01 New
        0
        Well, yes, the Italia airship can still be remembered.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 19 2020 13: 07 New
          0
          Quote: martin-159
          Well, yes, the Italia airship can still be remembered.

          Can.
          And also the USSR-B6 Osoaviahim, USSR-B10

          But the "Norway" did flew ...
          1. martin-159
            martin-159 April 20 2020 19: 40 New
            0
            So, run them in pairs,
            at least one fly?
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 19 2020 17: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        as early as 1926, almost 100 years ago, the airship flew across the North Pole from Svalbard to Alaska.

        "Norway" barely made it to land, "Italy" died from icing. Two very demonstrative flights, indicative of the fact that the operation of airships in difficult weather and climatic conditions is very dangerous.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 19 2020 19: 06 New
          +1
          And 133 built by the Americans K-class conducted combat work throughout the war
    3. Gato
      Gato April 19 2020 23: 00 New
      -1
      I am not a specialist in meteorology, but as far as I know, the direction and speed of air masses can vary greatly at different heights. And satellites generally transferred meteorology from the category of shamanism to a more accurate subject.
  4. Astartes
    Astartes April 19 2020 10: 48 New
    -1
    It is high time for a narcologist to determine this abomination from their "will"
  5. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 19 2020 10: 48 New
    -3
    Aircraft manufacturers will lay down their bones so that these airships remain a project.
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker April 19 2020 11: 51 New
      -3
      There are projects where it’s just too tough for them, no matter what position they lie in !!!
  6. knn54
    knn54 April 19 2020 10: 49 New
    0
    Hydrogen is very dangerous. Helium is expensive, and there are additional difficulties.
    Against the wind will not trample.
    Well, ONLY on the domestic market. Aviation monopolists will not be allowed to enter the foreign market. Otherwise, at least, the story with the "Hindenburg" will repeat itself.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 19 2020 15: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Hydrogen is very dangerous. Helium dear

      Helium is expensive, but comparatively ... By the "present day" a lot of technologies for producing helium have been developed, which "made cheaper" its cost in comparison with helium, which raised Akron and Los Angeles! Hydrogen is dangerous, but if my memory serves me, I had to read that experiments were carried out with hydrogen in order to make it safer ... It was necessary to add a certain gas to the hydrogen in a certain percentage ratio, which made the resulting mixture incombustible or "low-combustible "... I think it was some kind of Freon derivative!
      And finally ... for some reason everyone forgot the Hot Air balloons! Airships whose lift is generated by heated air! The lift of the hot air balloon can be increased by letting water vapor into the heated air! Air / steam is more efficient than hot air! Projects were developed where the exhaust gases of the engines "pulling" the airship were used to create lift ... for example, the Thermoplane airship project ...
  7. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui April 19 2020 10: 51 New
    +8
    since the 90s, periodically, God's TEMA of an inflatable airship has been pulled into the light ... with the latest developments, as always. Well, once again, with the next initiative ... inflate further.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 19 2020 10: 54 New
    +3
    Rostec announced the development of modular "airship transformers"

    Oh! fellow To get angry ... What a subtle idea! Who are the goods?
    Survived completely out of mind. Zeppelin glory does not give peace? A "clift camp" at night do not dream? belay
    It's not a matter of insanity. Here the disease hit the whole brain - profit, drank to any idea ...
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker April 19 2020 11: 49 New
      0
      Well, why, when a hydrocracking reactor was delivered to the Achinsk Oil Refinery, the bridges were raised so that the trains could pass. Delivered a long and costly !!! But with an airship of the required carrying capacity, everything would be much simpler and cheaper !!!
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A April 19 2020 12: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Stalllker
        Well, why, when a hydrocracking reactor was delivered to the Achinsk Oil Refinery, the bridges were raised so that the trains could pass. Delivered a long and costly !!! But with an airship of the required carrying capacity, everything would be much simpler and cheaper !!!

        We know how to raise bridges. This is easy for us. But inflating a bubble of sufficient size is a problem ....
        1. Stalllker
          Stalllker April 19 2020 12: 29 New
          -3
          Found a solution, so now is not a problem
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 20 New
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Oh! fellow Renew ... What a subtle idea! Who are the goods?

      The state spends gigantic money on helicopter operations over the taiga during the fire hazard period.
      And this money is still sorely lacking. Like helicopters.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 19 2020 13: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        The state spends gigantic money on helicopter operations over the taiga during the fire hazard period.
        And this money is still sorely lacking. Like helicopters.

        And I don’t even doubt that the airship of enormous carrying capacity and RELATED sizes can be taught to fly against the wind (which is why the plane won this competition ???). I suspect that at the right time, such as: “delivery of a hydrocracking reactor”, “work on the taiga during a fire hazard and during a fire” or “lifting the PD-50 and delivering it to the repair site”, - the wind speed at a given height at time will allow us to do this work just an airship ...
        request That's all.
        Therefore, I would be very reassured by an example of such work, and, after analyzing the results, I would love to talk on the feasibility of developing modular "airship transformers" and their mass application.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 19 2020 19: 10 New
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Therefore, I would be very reassured by an example of such work, and, after analyzing the results, I would love to talk on the feasibility of developing modular "airship transformers" and their mass application.

          Google. USA, World War II. K-class airships
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 20 2020 03: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Google. USA, World War II. K-class airships

            Shovels! Do you consider me a person who smoked the ABC book in the first grade? Yes, for your information, color television, color film, automated production lines, home computers, digital cameras were in the United States, and they used it ...
            If the article indicated:
            The Pentagon announced the development of modular "airship transformers"

            I would “google” there ... And you, at your leisure, “poindeksit” the development and practical use of airships in the USSR and the Russian Federation in particular ... These new Russian developments like “one step forward, two steps back” will soon pass you a damn. ..
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 20 2020 08: 46 New
              0
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Do you consider me a person who smoked the ABC book in the first grade?

              Quote: ROSS 42
              If the article indicated:
              The Pentagon announced the development of modular "airship transformers"
              I would "google" there ..

              You know, I like the option with smoking the primer.
              If you are sure that the USA has a different physics and a different weather. Therefore, the flights of their airships, including against the wind, for you cannot be proof that this is possible in Russia laughing laughing laughing
  9. Yura
    Yura April 19 2020 11: 10 New
    +1
    The concept is very interesting, there are a lot of potential areas or, if I can put it that way, there are quite a few points of application, from stationary locators to monitoring of sea areas, mine planter, scanning of air and sea spaces, control, guidance, ice reconnaissance, this is in addition to banal cheap transportation of goods even in emergency cases at least on a regular basis, of course we are talking about all this, of course, keeping in mind the appropriate meteorological conditions for each specific case. In general, I would gladly read an article on the topic of possible application, but without this "must-do not" simply because this is a separate topic.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 19 2020 11: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: Jura
      The concept is very interesting, potentially in areas or if you can put it this way quite a lot of points of application

      the fact of the matter is that not very much, if we are talking specifically about a manned cargo / passenger airship. Unless tourists ride.
      The military is more interested in a tethered balloon, as a repeater station, AWACS station, radio and optoelectronic reconnaissance station, and space monitoring station.
      For the airship, whatever they say, we need an infrastructure: landing sites with a mooring mast and navigation equipment (at least the same as for helicopters), gas stations, storage hangars, etc. Helium is a fairly expensive gas. The speed of the airship is low. It has simply indecent sailing, which, coupled with low dead weight and speed, will not allow you to accurately keep the route, and especially - to carry out any construction and installation work with it. Just bring the goods or passengers, and that’s all. And to install the same power transmission tower, for example, you need to drive a helicopter.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Gregory_45
        the fact of the matter is that not very much, if we are talking specifically about a manned cargo / passenger airship.

        Forest protection, fire protection
        Traffic
        Environmental - fight against poaching, etc.


        Quote: Gregory_45
        For military more interesting tethered balloon

        The height of the tethered is limited.
        The higher, the lower the payload due to the weight of the cable.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 19 2020 12: 40 New
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          Forest protection, fire protection
          Traffic
          Environmental - fight against poaching, etc.

          everything that is not related to military use, the state is interested in secondarily. Well, private companies in Russia are unlikely to take up this matter.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 19 2020 12: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Gregory_45
            everything that is not related to military use, the state is interested in secondarily.

            And this is strange.
            Using helicopters, as is now being done, is very, very expensive.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist April 19 2020 16: 33 New
          0
          Dear Shovels !!! I understand that you as an artilleryman hanging sausage profitable !!! But there is one thing but in your post! That for the fire brigade that for the fight against poachers, a speed is required that alas the airships cannot give
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 19 2020 18: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Nehist
            That for the fire brigade that for the fight against poachers, a speed is required that alas the airships cannot give

            To observe high speeds is not necessary.
            It hangs high in the sky, controls a large area of ​​the forest for fires. Well, or a river delta on the subject of poacher boats
      2. Yura
        Yura April 19 2020 12: 37 New
        -2
        Quote: Gregory_45
        the fact of the matter is that not very much

        Against everything else, there are also no special objections, but an example: the defense of Moscow, the use of airships played a very important role in repelling enemy bombing. It was worth it? Of course. Therefore, I would not be categorical in the issue of expediency. Under certain conditions, the airship can be in the air for almost unlimited time, this advantage is undeniable, the question of how rationally it can be used, this is a rhetorical question, therefore, you can talk endlessly. It is easier to wait and see whether this development will be implemented or not, and what will come of it all.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 19 2020 12: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: Jura
          Moscow defense, the use of airships played a very important role in repelling enemy bombing

          indisputably. Only it is necessary to make a correction for the time - now no one will throw free-falling bombs at Moscow, much less from an average height (and the balloons were designed to just limit the height of the bombers by dropping them higher, and thereby reducing the aiming of bombing)

          Quote: Jura
          Therefore, I would not be categorical in the issue of expediency

          The airship is not a universal tool. Perhaps, for a one-time movement of a certain cargo to a specific place, it will be more profitable than dragging the cargo in parts by helicopters, but .. are these one-time jobs, and for them to have airships? A technique should work, not stand idle - only then it pays off and makes a profit. Expect that these helium balls will occupy the same place as airplanes or helicopters, I think, is not worth it.
          1. Yura
            Yura April 19 2020 13: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Only it is necessary to make an adjustment for the time - now no one will throw free-falling bombs at Moscow,

            It was just an example.
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Expect that these helium balls will occupy the same place as airplanes or helicopters, I think, is not worth it.

            And in my thoughts was not, of course not worth it. And now an example from life, in my NIVE, in addition to the compressor, the spare wheel always has a camera with a couple of editors and a couple of corner scraps, for several years this was all unnecessary and a couple of times I was going to get rid of unnecessary things, but something stopped me. And once, and I often go to the forest and through such "wilds-babies" that I screwed up the wheel, put on a spare wheel, two hundred meters later, another, and here I was so much happy about my foresight that if I met myself on the road I shook would hand and put the bottle. That is, we cannot know in advance the bitch that we will stumble over, but we must be ready for this so as not to hurt ourselves badly.
        2. Nehist
          Nehist April 19 2020 16: 36 New
          +1
          in fact, during the defense of Moscow, airships were not used! And passive aerostat obstacles were used, which differs from the airship as a boat from a boat
          1. Yura
            Yura April 19 2020 17: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Nehist
            And passive balloon traps were used

            You are right, my mistake, rather a disclaimer in the conversation, does not affect the essence of the dialogue.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 19 2020 18: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Nehist
            in fact, during the defense of Moscow, airships were not used!

            Used. More active.
            For transporting hydrogen to barrage balloons
            Well, plus "Rodina" was engaged in the search for bottom mines.

            And most of all the airships were used by the Americans, built under two hundred.
            Most Patrol
        3. martin-159
          martin-159 April 20 2020 19: 45 New
          0
          An airship and a balloon are far from the same thing.
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  11. Keeping
    Keeping April 19 2020 11: 15 New
    -2
    What does this news mean to us?
    This means that someone from Rostec must pay the last payment for the mega-yacht under construction ...
  12. Stalllker
    Stalllker April 19 2020 11: 44 New
    -3
    There are prospects, they have been talking about this for a long time
  13. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey April 19 2020 11: 57 New
    0
    Interestingly, and the cost of changing the configuration will not exceed the profit, can it be easier for the average to carry small loads?
    The airship is interesting, but it is painfully healthy and gentle, and you can not argue with light, and there is still turbulence, how can it cope with it?
  14. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin April 19 2020 12: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Stalllker
    Well, why, when a hydrocracking reactor was delivered to the Achinsk Oil Refinery, the bridges were raised so that the trains could pass. Delivered a long and costly !!! But with an airship of the required carrying capacity, everything would be much simpler and cheaper !!!


    To really transport bulky and heavy loads, you need to hook a bunch of airships, like a seller of balloons.

    For an estimate, a "compact piece of iron" such as a tank - a mass of 45 - 55 tons, which should be a derivative to lift.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS April 19 2020 12: 09 New
    0
    Good idea, but it doesn’t develop for some reason? The cheapest crane in the world to lift 1 kg of cargo.
  16. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront April 19 2020 12: 16 New
    0
    Already where they can be profitable, so only with us. Let's admit the "northern delivery" of neither airfields nor airports is not necessary, unloaded caramel right above the village shop and flew on.
    1. Antidote
      Antidote April 19 2020 13: 44 New
      +1
      Northern delivery is a matter of months and millions of tons of cargo. From products to gravel. Do you propose to carry rubble with airships? It’s ridiculous. What they just won’t come up with is not to build roads.
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 April 19 2020 12: 33 New
    +1
    Airships are majestic, it was once!
    There are pros, there are cons! What will outweigh?
  18. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 19 2020 13: 28 New
    +1
    And again, development for hard-to-reach areas. In other words, transport and infrastructure are being created for the export of energy resources from Russia.
  19. 123456789
    123456789 April 19 2020 14: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Stalllker
    Well, why, when a hydrocracking reactor was delivered to the Achinsk Oil Refinery, the bridges were raised so that the trains could pass. Delivered a long and costly !!! But with an airship of the required carrying capacity, everything would be much simpler and cheaper !!!

    And columns brought to us in Ruslan
  20. Free wind
    Free wind April 19 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    Well, if they will do the airship at their own expense, then let them play, but if you and I have an account, there’s not her inflatable toy.
  21. 123456789
    123456789 April 19 2020 19: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Passenger liners are on the ground only during repairs and maintenance. The rest of the time is in the air. Is there a niche for airships with such volumes?

    And the following picture seems to me:
    Gas hub in Western Europe. The next airship is approaching from Western Siberia. Having pumped methane out of the shell, he catches the rig and flies back to the Bazhenov Suite for the next batch of methane.
  22. Gato
    Gato April 19 2020 22: 45 New
    -1
    As far back as 197 some year I read about this in "Technology-Youth" and more than once. Since then, the number of airships has not somehow increased. request I suspect that the disasters of Akron and Mekon made a painful impression on the whole world.
  23. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity April 20 2020 05: 30 New
    0
    This is called "flying in the clouds."
  24. Bobrick
    Bobrick April 21 2020 21: 15 New
    0
    Interestingly, the "void" (to create a vacuum inside and due to this, as well as the strength and lightness of the structure to achieve a density lower than the density of air), the airship remains a fantasy?