Trump made a new “bold” forecast for the number of coronavirus victims in the US

US President Donald Trump made a new “optimistic” forecast for the situation with coronavirus, criticizing some US governors. About it writes The Independent.

Speaking at a press conference, Trump said that according to the new forecast, mortality from the coronavirus "about 60 thousand, possibly 65 thousand people" is expected in the territory of the United States. At the same time, against the background of the past forecast, which spoke of 200 thousand dead, Trump said about the "excellent work" done "by him personally and his team" from the White House administration.

I hope that we will not reach the figure of 100 thousand. At the moment, we are counting on 60-65 thousand (...) initially the number of deaths could reach 2,2 million people, while the civil war claimed the lives of 500- 600 thousand lives. Honestly, I have seen even more scary forecasts

- declared Trump

In addition, the American leader said the United States was the “King of IVL,” and his public health team categorically rejected state governors' allegations of insufficient testing.

Recall that on April 16, Trump announced that the United States overcame the peak for coronavirus disease. According to him, this suggests the need to weaken the restrictions imposed due to quarantine.

Note that to date in the United States officially registered coronavirus - 710272 people, deaths from coronavirus - 37242, recovered - 63510.

Comments

[Pereira]

Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

[Looking Petrovich]

Quote: Pereira

Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

Where are they to Russia:
according to official data (17.04.20), the percentage of deaths from coronovirus in the Russian Federation from the total number of cases is 0,83%.
At the same time, the world average is 6,7%.
Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close. In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.
There are 3 possible explanations:
1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

[Sergey39]

There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.
And this is the most real reason.

[ximkim]

This is yes, plus, we take the population, the place of the dense population (there are more millionaires in the USA) and the figures are not taken into official statistics from closed institutions.

[New Year day]

Quote: Sergey39

There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.

catch up

Quote: Sergey39

And this is the most real reason.

problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.
And if the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation refused to test in terms of verifying the diagnosis, then this is evidence of the "high specificity of tests" indicating the weather in Moscow

[primala]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Sergey39

There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.

catch up

Quote: Sergey39

And this is the most real reason.

problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.
And if the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation refused to test in terms of verifying the diagnosis, then this is evidence of the "high specificity of tests" indicating the weather in Moscow

I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!

[New Year day]

Quote: primaala

I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!

and ... Do not distract your attention to me, do what you love

[primala]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: primaala

I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!

and ... Do not distract your attention to me, do what you love

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.
Do not be sad. Lines. The network suffers. (for the time being).

[New Year day]

Quote: primaala

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

health, do not sneeze or cough.

[primala]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: primaala

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

health, do not sneeze or cough.

Think about yourself. WE "see" who is WHO.
ay !!!

[depressant]

Colleague Primaala!
Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult? The respected Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in the very heat, in hell, who are struggling with coronavirus, who are laying down their lives for the lives of patients. And only in rare spare minutes does Dr. Silvestr enter VO. He knows the situation from the inside, owns the information and is more competent in the matter than any of those present.
Show dignity and apologize to him, as well as to all of us. Insulting Dr. Sylvester, you insult all forum users.

[primala]

Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult?
=====================
"to offend" - and the goal is NO.
And if you are about to guess what WHO writes on the VO website, then here (perhaps) as in preference - how the card will fall ...)))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: depressant

You insult all forum users

And with what kind of fright do you speak for ALL forum users?
I did not give you the right to speak on my behalf!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: depressant

You insult all forum users.

1. As well as Rostov, Khabarovsk, Minsk and Kharkiv.
2. Signing for all is very presumptuous of you.
Thoroughly, thoroughly.
3. Petty bourgeois, surround yourself.

[Grits]

Quote: Paranoid50

1. As well as Rostov, Khabarovsk, Minsk and Kharkiv.

You forgot about the Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, and most importantly, the Kurts.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Gritsa

and most importantly, Kurts.

Kurskovtsev. Oh, blood from the eyes and ears ....

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: depressant

Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult?

I almost let a tear go !!!

Quote: depressant

The esteemed Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in hell itself, in hell,

yes, yes, yes ... some soldiers here from the trenches write between the battles, others write between the battles with the coronavirus !!!

Quote: depressant

apologize to him as well as to all of us

it is not necessary to generalize !!!

[Tank hard]

Quote: depressant

Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in the thick of fire, in hell, who are fighting the coronavirus, who are laying down their lives for the lives of patients.

He told me that a pensioner is already ... Where is the truth?

[depressant]

A Tank Hard colleague, the truth is that we have a lot of working retirees. Just in time for retirement, the doctor gains the necessary experience and becomes a valuable specialist. And the medical institution is good, and to retirement benefits.

[Tank hard]

Quote: depressant

A Tank Hard colleague, the truth is that we have a lot of working retirees. Just in time for retirement, the doctor gains the necessary experience and becomes a valuable specialist. And the medical institution is good, and to retirement benefits.

And all this about him, about Sylvester! Straight captain - America. However, until I see it myself, I reserve the right not to believe you ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: depressant

Insulting Dr. Sylvester, you insult all forum users.

I support Dr. Silver. My respect to him.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: primaala

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.

[primala]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: primaala

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.

A child under 5 years old forms his subconscious and worldview.
The rest ... 95% is accounted for - what I read, what I saw, and how I UNDERSTAND the situation situation.
I think ... you are biased towards me. To my perception and understanding of what is happening.
I am too lazy to state the "accuracy" of the analytics of what is happening. Because of the RESPECT of the mighty of the world of Shogo - men. It would not even occur to me to dispute your opinion. Do you know why !? I learned to read between the lines. SUPERVISORY.
And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.

[depressant]

Dear Primaalla, we all cheer for Russia here, each in our own way, there are no enemies. We see the situation in different ways, but we agree on one thing: the virus is dangerous because of its abnormal contagion, it causes serious complications - even those who carry it on their feet and, while sneezing, do not suspect what they are sick with. Therefore, we eagerly seek information about him. Let everyone speak out! But what do we know, besides conflicting information from the Internet? First-hand data is very important.

[Tank hard]

Quote: depressant

Dear Primaalla, we all cheer for Russia here, each in our own way, there are no enemies.

For an adult, what you wrote is somewhat naive, in my opinion ...

[depressant]

You want to say that a friendly attitude towards compatriots is naivety? You see, what’s the matter, I really, unlike many, do not see enemies in any of the visitors to the VO forums. It is unlikely that you, having thought well, will point to someone. Russian people have enemies. They don’t go here.

[Tank hard]

Quote: depressant

You want to say that a friendly attitude towards compatriots is naivety?

Here, not all are compatriots, and not all compatriots are with good.

Quote: depressant

You see, what’s the matter, I really, unlike many, do not see enemies in any of the visitors to the VO forums

This is your right, but your answer only confirmed my opinion.

Quote: depressant

Russian people have enemies. They don’t go here.

A masterpiece, just to tears!

[Tank hard]

Quote: primaala

And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.

Rarity is now on the forums, it is generally accepted to scold the country.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

You are just a child

[primala]

Laughing in a voice ...))) to tears ...))

[Digital error]

Quote: primaala

YOU are easy to calculate

Arrived on March 30th from abroad. At the arrival airport, no analysis was taken, only a questionnaire (although there were apparently more "Rospotrebnadzorovtsy" and "other inspectors" than those who left the plane). They were not placed in the observatory (I was ready for this, moreover, I was thirsty in order to avoid sidelong glances upon arrival at the place of permanent deployment). Then - a taxi (no one asked for a pass), then - the railway station (no one took the analysis), then a day in the compartment (solely thanks to my conscience, it was cheaper in the reserved seat), then the city of residence (no one took the analysis upon arrival) , then 14-day home quarantine (reported himself to the hotline voluntarily in the first half hour after arrival, but no one took the analysis, although during the quarantine he asked about it twice and was even ready to pay). As a result, I didn’t get sick (so far, maybe because I carried a spray bottle with alcohol in my pocket and sat in a mask at airports / planes / taxis / trains? Although no, I was just lucky of course).
But, if someone from the environment suddenly gets sick - I have no doubt, I will be betrayed in such an anathema that I will not wash myself.
Well, figure out me, a low social responsibility, according to IP and bring to a fair people's court, I earned it most certainly

[bars876]

I flew in from Ty on March 10 and also didn’t get into any kind of self-isolation at all, but after 12 days I was ill than the tamper at 40, but it quickly passed, but I still got it, so think about what you were sick with? And yes, I didn’t take any tests or tests, even though I asked, they only prescribed cough tablets)))

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Silvestr

problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.

According to statistics provided by the USA, the number of tests per capita in the USA and in Russia is almost the same ... but there were attempts by the muhlezh with statistics on deaths ...

[svp67]

Quote: Silvestr

problems with tests

Alas, but not the topic. If we have a problem with the tests, then the percentage of deaths will be higher, since it will be taken from a lower number of cases

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

If we have a problem with the tests, then the percentage of deaths will be higher, since it will be taken from a lower number of cases

subject to setting the correct cipher after autopsy

[svp67]

Quote: Silvestr

subject to setting the correct cipher after autopsy

There’s not much to mess with. Here, a person died yesterday, he didn’t pass as a patient with a coronovirus, but when establishing the causes of death a verdict was issued - coronavirus ... it could be hidden as easily as possible, but they didn’t do it

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

You’re not going to be bad there.

calmly. The pathological department is structurally part of the hospital. The chief physician signs all financial documents of the department. As a former administrator, I assure you that you can make any acceptable diagnosis. However, this happens everywhere and every day. Why, for example, spoil the statistics on a strangulated hernia or adhesive intestinal obstruction? For this they scold. We make the diagnosis "Acute violation of mesenteric circulation with intestinal necrosis". Everything is the same: surgery, bowel necrosis is confirmed histologically. You can also replace the glass - take it from the archive. You can find ischemic heart disease and trigger death from acute coronary insufficiency (and who does not have it). There is a deficiency, but no heart attack. It is histologically unprovable, and the operation or pneumonia should be lowered into concomitant pathology. As a result, the person died from something completely different and everyone is happy. In short ..

[Winnie76]

Quote: Silvestr

... Why, for example, spoil the statistics on a strangulated hernia or adhesive intestinal obstruction? For this they scold. We make the diagnosis "Acute violation of mesenteric circulation with intestinal necrosis". Everything matches:

Doctors, I see, are generally holy people. Fighting at the forefront and all that. I would like to supplement. You can also pickle a person in the emergency room for several hours, after which the person dies. You can not miss a car with a seriously ill patient to the hospital - a head physician visa is required. And try not to miss the ambulance. You can also forget to remove the drainage system for a week after surgery on appendicitis. This is from personal experience.

[bk316]

catch up

Let's bet that we will not catch up. I am a mathematician. You are a doctor, we will assume that both are not bad.
So we find out who the best forecasts are given by mathematicians or doctors.

In continuous testing, which is in the USA,

There is no continuous testing in the USA. Look at the number of tests for the number of cases - we have much more. So we have less stringent testing rules.

[Liam]

Quote: bk316

Look at the number of tests for the number of cases

Russia has 1.800.000 (officially) tests for 35.000 official cases.
To whom and how were 1.765.000 "wasted" tests done? Who else has such a discrepancy between the identified patients and the tests done? How much does each test cost to the government and which firms does this money go to? What explains such a low test efficiency?

[bk316]

To whom and how are 1.765.000 "wasted" tests done?

You really don’t know?
Now the test is done to anyone over 65 if he has signs of SARS
The test is done to anyone with symptoms of SARS if contact with the sick was possible.
The last 2 weeks before the flight closure, tests were done for everyone who flew in from Europe.
Tests are done every day to doctors who work with infected people.
Finally, blind testing began to determine the number of asymptomatic carriers.
THIS IS A COMPLETE TEST. IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
And many are tested only with serious suspicions of the crown (USA for example), and this is where the discrepancies come from.

[New Year day]

Quote: bk316

Tests are done every day to doctors who work with infected people.

Does order 198n regulate this way?

Quote: bk316

IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

in life everything is different. To do this, just pass the test

[bk316]

Does order 198n regulate this way?

The order itself does not regulate the frequency of tests, as far as I know
The order is already out of date, read 246н Or maybe it's already out of date.
Up to 15 were done once a week, more precisely in 6 days.
Now in Moscow in FMBA once a day. Maybe a private initiative. Or maybe after the words of Denis decided to participate
I’ll write something to you in PM, but not for public.

[Liam]

You live in some kind of world

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Liam

You live in some kind of world

No, our country is different. So far, they are going to hospitals on suspicion of a disease, and not upon the fact of payment of $ 70 thousand, as in the United States.

[Liam]

Quote: bk316

THIS IS A COMPLETE TEST. IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD

Tell the Ministry of Health
https://medvestnik.ru/content/news/Departament-zdravoohraneniya-Moskvy-podtverdil-nizkuu-tochnost-testov-na-koronavirus.html
We threw out your "high-precision" tests and switched to grandfather's methods according to the clinical picture.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bk316

Now the test is done to anyone over 65 if he has signs of SARS

Sorry, but this is a lie. My dad got sick about 2,5 weeks ago. Temperature, etc. He was admitted to the hospital only when the symptoms of acute respiratory viral infections have passed, and for a completely different reason. No tests were done to him.

[Liam]

It’s useless. Now you explain what it is ...somewhere high in the mountains and not in our area

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Liam

somewhere high in the mountains and not in our area

Life beyond the MKAD is somewhat different.

[Liam]

In this case, not everything is cloudless inside the Moscow Ring Road either. The Moscow Department of Medicine was the first to allow 10 days ago to diagnose and treat without tests because of their small size and low reliability. Such an extreme step is not taken from a good life.

[bk316]

Someone specifically sawed on these tests

You are a miserable troll - IN IGNOR Well, actually your rating speaks about this.

[bk316]

Sorry, but this is a lie.

That I wrote lies where the tests go.
I had a bunch of elderly friends at the first treatment took the test.
In Moscow and the region.
If you don’t do it, it’s just that there are no tests, the topic was where they are doing it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bk316

I had a bunch of elderly friends at the first treatment took the test.
In Moscow and the region.

I write:

Quote: Mordvin 3

Life beyond the MKAD is somewhat different.

In general, I do not know a single person who would have done the test.

[bk316]

In general, I do not know a single person who would have done the test.

And I know more than a dozen. Do not worry, tests will reach you. After all, we were the first to catch the infection.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bk316

Do not worry, tests will reach you.

And I don’t worry. As I coughed a month ago, I sneeze constantly, because I work in the open air both in rain and snow. Literally 3 minutes ago I asked my sister on the Internet about the tests (she’s a doctor), I’ll wait for him to answer.

[bk316]

And I don’t worry. As I coughed a month ago, I sneeze constantly, because I work in the open air both in rain and snow.

Keep it up! But unfortunately I had 4 pneumonia, I better watch out ....

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Liam

What explains such a low efficiency of tests?

An emergency operation was performed in the Ryazan Design Bureau, according to rumors, a "tourist" who had come to Ryazan in large numbers.
The test is done. Positive. As a result, in quarantine, 1 department is therapeutic, two are surgical. Scheduled operations canceled.
The question is, how many "blank tests" will be done? God grant that there are many "empty" tests!

[Liam]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Question

Answer: If there are so many tests on paper and almost all of them are wasted, why do they not do them in the Ryazan Design Bureau before the operation, so that there would be no quarantine for everyone.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Liam

why ...

The question is not for me. There were reasons, I guess.

[Liam]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Quote: Liam

why ...

The question is not for me. There were reasons, I guess.

The reason is one-no tests.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Liam

The reason is one-no tests.

By eye, doctors probably determine that he is sick, but he is not.

[Liam]

Not by eye. They look at the temperature, cough, do a tomography of the lungs. Only in the early stages there are no special signs, there are a lot of asymptomatic plumes that have nothing at all, but they carry the virus in themselves and infect others. And without tests they cannot be calculated

[Digital error]

Quote: Liam

lung tomography done

And in the outback - the pulse is measured. They tell you - beyond MKAD a slightly different life ...

[Liam]

Quote: DigitalError

beyond MKAD a slightly different life ...

I am in the know. Comrade bk316 explain it, he lives in his own separate world of multi-million dollar high-performance tests with 40% confidence

[Digital error]

Quote: Liam

he is in his own separate world

well, let it live, while we still have freedom of religion
both you and he have the right to believe in anything, isn't it?

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Liam

multi-million high-performance tests with 40% confidence

If you feel bad about this life, hang yourself.
The daughter-in-law works in greenhouses. One morning, one employee sneezed. Checked everyone. They didn’t find anything. The greenhouse is working.
Now they began to take an analysis of antibodies. 45% of the verified ones already have it. And this year they were not sick.
Yes, and mortality ... In the world in a month 5 million people die. 5 million per month. Against this background, mortality from coronavirus is noise fluctuation. Therefore, they did not notice the epidemic last year. Only the Chinese got to the bottom of the reason.

[bk316]

The question is how many "blank tests" will be done

Do not feed the troll. Everyone has already written to him. Not once, including me.

[Liam]

Quote: bk316

Wrote

Great writer)
The proportion of confirmation of positive tests for a new type of coronavirus after a second check at reference centers in Moscow increased to 77%, TASS reports with reference to the operational headquarters.


Before the diagnosis at re-examination was confirmed only in 40% of cases, now this figure is 77%, noted at headquarters
40% is worse than tossing a coin. There's at least 50/50

[Zaits]

Quote: bk316

So we find out who the best forecasts are given by mathematicians or doctors.

I put on the math. 2 to 1.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Silvestr

catch up

it is strange that the "crown" has not yet caught up with you !!!

Quote: Silvestr

problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.

You are strange ... everyone can already see what a useless medicine there is, but you keep talking about "everything bad in Russia" !!!

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Silvestr

In continuous testing, which is in the USA,

Gee gee gee! The Americans have no tests at all. Only Chinese.
In addition, this coronavirus is sufficient to treat according to symptoms in order to reduce mortality at times. The qualifications of American and European doctors at the grassroots level were lower than the plinth. Paracetamol is all. Moreover, the complete inaccessibility of drugs on the free market. In Russia and the CIS, you can buy a whole range of medicines, from heavy antibiotics to daily vitamins, you can buy in a pharmacy without a prescription. And in Estonia they won’t even do an x-ray without a doctor’s recommendation. Not to mention tomography.

[mole]

"There is also a fourth point ..."
I bow that there is a fifth.
Called statistics. It is not beneficial for anyone to undermine the situation.
In terms of the number of cases, we follow a hyperbole; in terms of the number of cases infected, we follow a linear path.
How so? I hope that I’m not catching up with something.

[Artyom1979]

When will there be statistics on mortality in Russia by month, and it will be. It can be compared with previous years and then it will be seen how much mortality has increased, most of the increase will be in the coronovirus.

[Digital error]

Quote: Artyom1979

most of the increase will come from coronovirus

I doubt it. In 2018, about 20000 people died from ordinary pneumonia alone. This is comparatively a lot. But an increase in mortality from alcohol poisoning can be predicted even now - where bans were introduced, surrogates were drunk, and where they were not introduced, they were drinking "out of nothing to do in isolation" ...

[bk316]

In terms of the number of cases, we follow a hyperbole; in terms of the number of cases infected, we follow a linear path.

Definitely not catching up. Both statements are incorrect. And on this and on another we go along the sigmoid.

[mole]

You're right. I admit a mistake.

[bk316]

You're right. I admit a mistake

Do not worry Leonid
There, the math is actually even more complicated.
Here we have in a closed forum SO SUCH BATTLES We are swearing for DFM matmodels, I'm afraid to write.

[Pavel57]

There is a suggestion that we had an epidemic in the winter. But then she went unnoticed. I have several acquaintances in different cities who have been seriously ill with an unknown ailment. And the statistics there is an increase in pneumonia in the winter.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

We still have BCG vaccine against tuberculosis, which seems to help in the fight against coronavirus. The number of severe patients is reduced.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

Or the epidemic has not really begun.

[bk316]

Or the epidemic has not really begun.

It is there that our mortality rate will increase in the USA and fall.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: ZAV69

Or the epidemic has not really begun.

Or long gone. Unnoticed. When tested for antibodies, 45% of those tested are already immune to coronavirus.

[Svarog]

2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome

Everything is more banal .. we still do not have everyone diagnosed with coronavirus .. they didn’t learn to determine the roofing felts, the roofing felts are not the same .. But the essence was very correctly stated by Maxim Shevchenko, who was ill himself .. and this is what he says:

[depressant]

The video is long, I listened to it all. Svarog, thanks! So on time I ran away from the hospital. On the evening of March 16, an announcement was posted stating that the hospital was in quarantine from 17, and it seemed like I was bothered by something else in the afternoon, before the announcement: I have to leave! She asked the doctor the next day to let me go, on the morning of the 17th she received some kind of analysis paper and was like that. I can imagine what hell is there, though not an infectious ward - it was non-infectious. I have no doubt, it has become infectious - Moscow is nearby.

[Prjanik]

Quote: depressant

So on time I ran away from the hospital.

I always recommend a hospital only as a last resort, to catch any infection is easiest in hospitals / hospitals, especially in the midst of epidemics.

[bk316]

started on time I ran away from the hospital.

HAVE YOU SIT IN A HOSPITAL during an epidemic without significant need?
And to understand that it is dangerous and unreasonably risky, you had to watch videos?
How everything is started ......

[depressant]

bk 316 ... Without substantial need? )))
God forbid anyone to experience what I went through: continuous catastrophic dizziness, continuous vomiting of water - from the body, and not drunk, then vomiting of bile and everything - on the bed (it started, as soon as I woke up, opened my eyes), then to the ambulance doctor who arrived, to his cardiographic devices, then to the floor in the ambulance, then to the gurney (I remember how the peasant who was driving me, spitefully said: "Here,!"), then to the MRI bed (the doctors were confused - they never had this, they began to look for something to wash), then - on the X-ray wall, then they gave me a personal bowl, with which I never parted, and continuous, terrible dizziness at the slightest attempt to change the position of the body on the bed ... For two days I did not eat at all, and the water caused uncontrollable vomiting. Droppers and medicines. I somehow survived. And having survived, staggering ran along the corridor, but I can't help but move - like a shark. And then, still staggering from side to side, that is, with severely disturbed coordination, she walked a kilometer to the bus station and finally got to her village. And still shakes me. And I can hardly rest my head on the pillow - I’m waiting for it to "spin". That was the "fun" with me)))
And you say ... Yes, the ambulance doctor just ordered: "Get ready!" What's going to be? She pulled on a raincoat, stuck her feet in her shoes ... At the hospital, the kind-hearted staff gave me a spoon, a cup and a towel. That was such a circus)))

[bk316]

And you say ...

If the doctor let go, then you will not die.
And you can go to the hospital only as a last resort.
Forget the crown. Have you heard anything about hospital infections - the term is so medical. Come with poison, leave without legs or without a lung go to the morgue.

[bk316]

go to the morgue.

I apologize OR to the morgue.

[depressant]

Never mind!
You know, I’m learning to enjoy life again))
Here the whole village here is busy doing the same: at first everyone fumbled around shopping with heavy bags, then, stuffing rich bins, put on masks, now there are no masks on anyone, everyone has funny faces, skinny bags, and now outside the window, on playground, explosions of youth laughter. In general, Trump and his coronavirus suffering and exploits, his statistics - genuine or fictitious - do not give a damn to everyone. And this is amazing. Local statistics on the urban district (the districts are now called) on the virus we have is bad. But whether there are patients in the village is not known. In any case, the virus mysteriously played the role of a psychotherapist. The gloom of the last year gave way to signs of life.

[demo]

Maxim - you are a creative woodpecker !!!!
I felt a chill two weeks ago from the evening. The night was terrible.
In the morning, the wife called an ambulance.
After 10 minutes, the brigade arrived.
They made a cardiogram. They measured the pressure. They listened to the lungs.
Summary - to the hospital.
My wife surprisingly calmly and quickly collected all the necessary things (rejoiced?).
We arrived at the city hospital.
Two visitors - me and another man.
Donated blood.
They did an x-ray.
Once again the therapist.
Do you want to be hospitalized?
Me not.
Sign up.
Signed.
Is free.
Taxi and home.

You drop this terrible city and move to the province.
And everything will be fine with you.
And then he told the horrors.

[Pavel57]

Demo, was your wife happy?

[demo]

Seems Yes. And there, who will understand their women?

[NordUral]

Visited doubts about the statistics with us, completely dissipated. Maxim will recover faster and get back to work!

[bk316]

whether they didn’t learn to determine, the tests are not the same.

Tolley is a roofing felts but it cannot be what would be worse for THEM than ours. Here it is the boundless sectarian faith of the fighters.

If our tests are less reliable than in the USA, we have EXCEEDED mortality rates and not underestimated ones.

BUT take it easy don't worry we are not so good.
Our mortality rate will increase them not so much.
This is always the case with epidemics.

[Liam]

Quote: bk316

If our tests are less reliable than in the USA, we have EXCEEDED mortality rates and not underestimated

How interesting. How many people have died without an official diagnosis of Covid due to the fact that the tests are unreliable, which the Ministry of Health also recognized?

[bk316]

How many people have died without an official diagnosis of Covid due to the fact that the tests are unreliable

Statistically non-zero - NULL
And the Ministry of Health did not recognize anything like that. This is an interpretation of suckers.
All tests have a false negative probability and oddly false positive. For each test, it is declared. And these are the ranges.
You are not supposed to know about this. You are not special.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: bk316

If our tests are less reliable than in the USA

In the USA, the first thing they do in a hospital is not to do a test, but to examine their credit history. There is no likelihood of paying 70 thousand per week - a kick in the ass, die.
Even the ambulance will not come if the insurance is not at the right level. That's why wild mortality.

[New Year day]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world

it means that Putin was wrong, saying that there is a "catastrophe" in Russian medicine

Quote: Looking Petrovich

3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

guessed it.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Silvestr

3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

guessed it.

As if hiding data did not turn into postscripts.
Regions were instructed not to underestimate infection statistics. Help from Moscow will depend on the number of patients. Initially, "the de facto government generally asked for underestimation, that is, to make reliable verification of the diseased." In other words, report only on those cases that have been confirmed by two or more tests with positive results. As a result, actual morbidity statistics in some regions began to diverge markedly from the official.
“Now there is no reason to underestimate statistics, and even vice versa. Now there is financial motivation - to reflect everything as it is. So, the installation has also changed automatically. Additional money for subsidized regions is a significant enough increase. ” Officials from two regions of the Siberian and Central districts said that the amount of assistance from the federal center is already beginning to be calculated based on the number of patients: in accordance with it, money is allocated to create additional beds in regional clinics. The cost of creating, equipping and maintaining one bed can reach 1 million rubles. The approach to fixing the dead has also begun to change. Interlocutors in two regions close to regional administrations said that not only patients who died due to pneumonia but also died for other reasons began to get into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus: from exacerbation of chronic diseases, hypertension, heart, kidney failure, etc.https://openmedia.io/news/n3/regiony-poluchili-ustanovku-ne-zanizhat-statistiku-zarazheniya-pomoshh-iz-moskvy-budet-zaviset-ot-chisla-bolnyx/

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Anatol Klim

not only patients who died due to pneumonia but also died for other reasons began to fall into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus: from exacerbation of chronic diseases, hypertension, heart, kidney failure, etc.

And why did their chronic diseases worsen? From the coronavirus that infected their lungs.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Silvestr

guessed it.

Do you know at least one case when doctors had to choose which patient to give IVS?
What according to the American. Spanish or Italian paramedics were quite common ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Looking Petrovich

3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

guessed

Quote: Spade

Do you know at least one case when doctors had to choose which patient to give IVS?

Silence was their answer (s). What is characteristic it’s not the first time already ...

Ah, Sylvester, Sylvester

[Pavel57]

Moved to a complete disaster of medicine. Maybe they slowed down now.

[Prjanik]

There are 3 possible explanations:

But the explanation that the real mortality from the virus is less and in Russia just made more tests than others, do not you consider? What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?

[New Year day]

Quote: Prjanik

Russia just did more tests than others

who told you that? We are in second place

[Prjanik]

who told you that? We are in second place

I know this very well, there are statistics on tests. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ By the way, tests per million people. more than in the USA.

[New Year day]

Quote: Prjanik

What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?

And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

[Prjanik]

And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Silvestr

New Year day

Sylvester!! Truth, truth in the studio. And not about your difficulties (I believe and sympathize. But believe me and you - this is far from interesting to everyone) - but about a sore

You say that they lie on a box (I believe) - so trim the truth as it is! We will elect you as president ... that's real.

Try not to be an agitator at least once

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Golovan Jack

so trim the truth as it is!

Unfortunately, he does not listen to anything other than the Echo of Moscow and CienNan. There is crystal truth. About hackers who crack American brains and prevent you from choosing both a good president and getting qualified treatment.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Oo sarcasm

Unfortunately, he does not listen to anything except the Echo of Moscow and CienNan

He somehow did not bother to cut the truth.

Well, that means that we won't elect him as president.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Well, in the presidency of Estonia - you can. Hackers have to say.

[Ingvar 72]

However, even 2% are not globally scary numbers. In common flu, in my opinion, 1-2% mortality.
P. S. You probably have a park at work now?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

However, even 2% are not globally scary numbers

You can do it when you want. Briefly, and in the case. A plus

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Plus

Plus you cast a shadow on my reputation! although on the other hand, I drank your tequila ....

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Plus you cast a shadow on my reputation!

And I’ll bite your, ahem, reputation

[bk316]

I have a 1-2% mortality rate for common flu hi

0,1% at maximum 10 times MISTAKED
But this is in countries such as the United States and in the Russian Federation 10 times less.
Guess why?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: bk316

0,1%

Go to the WHO website.

[bk316]

Go to the WHO website.

I have been going there for decades.
Is this enough or is the original to be looked for?
https://ria.ru/20200311/1568453636.html

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: bk316

0,1%

Go to the WHO website.

Go to the CDC sites in the USA and Europe, 0.1% is real and there is https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html And WHO better considers influenza patients in China, India and other densely populated countries

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Go to the WHO website

Tram said - WHO is lying. So it's true.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Prjanik

What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?

And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

oooooooooooooo, the great infectious disease specialist showed up !!! but how do you like it in Ukraine, where they conducted 6 thousand tests and revealed 3 thousand patients ?? !!!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Prjanik

But the explanation that the real mortality from the virus is less and in Russia just made more tests than others, do not you consider?

Everything is easier.
It's not just the number of cases.
The thing is the pace with which they appear.

Imagine a hundred-bed super hospital. Perfectly secured, with super professionals on staff.
And now patients are starting to take them ... If the pace does not exceed the capacity of the hospital, then they have practically no mortality.
And if there are so many sick people that the hospital cannot cope ... the outcome is high mortality.

And this mortality has nothing to do with the quality of healthcare. This is due to the ability of the state and the population to "stretch" this incidence rate curve

Below we wrote about Germany and Singapore with a rather low mortality rate. It seems to me that this is a direct result of the discipline of the population

[mole]

Another factor: the possibility of obtaining insurance. This topic was voiced in Italy. An elderly person who has died of old age or another disease associated with old age is recorded by the doctor in the category of deceased from Cowid19. Certainly not so simple. After the body is burned, the insurance company will prove nothing. But since there is a doctor’s opinion, they are obliged to pay insurance.

[Prjanik]

That's right, the organization of treating patients and the burden on the healthcare system play a huge role. That is why such mortality in Italy: they plagued the beginning of the epidemic, in the absence of infectious diseases hospitals and specialists, as a result, they dumped everyone in a row, people from each other became infected with everything in the world. Moreover, they say that there are many old people there, many sitting on antibiotics with weakened immunity, and, as Mole says, the mafia, for example, it is beneficial to attribute all deaths to the coronavirus there.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

4. Absence of a "staple" chromosome in some. Because of what their intelligence is limited. and therefore it is normal for them to compare warm with soft

[svp67]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.

And in the USA - the mortality rate: 5.23%. But in all of these countries the epidemic is already undergoing a stabilization stage, and we are still on the upward and those who increase our percentage are already sick or are now infected, but still alive ..

[ultra]

This is delusional statistics, there are daily data on Russia, for 27 thousand patients, we officially had in the region of 170-180 dead. Before you spread anything, at least you bother to look at the official numbers.

[MA3UTA]

Isn't that a juggling thing?
Forbes wrote about the average 4.5 percent mortality from covid in the world

Moldova Actual data.
2378
sick
57
the dead

Ukraine
Confirmed
5 106
Lethal outcomes
133

How many percent.?

Is it also a staple, or is Putin forced?

Or maybe the reason is that in the former Soviet republics, infectious diseases departments and specialized infectious hospitals have remained in hospitals, while in the USA and Europe all are infected in the stream of ordinary patients? About this interview with Western doctors.

[Kathernik]

“You think wrong.” It is necessary to compare the number of people who did not get sick, but those who recovered with the amount that did not recover. And you will have more real numbers. This is about 9%.

[MA3UTA]

I didn’t count anything. And for you, too, have already been counted.

Scientists at the University of Hong Kong calculated that in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, the probable mortality rate was 1,4%, which is much lower than the previous estimate of 4,5%, calculated using official statistics on cases and deaths. In the UK, testing is carried out only in people with pronounced symptoms of coronavirus - and from official data it follows that the mortality rate is 6,2% (with 19 758 identified cases and 1231 dead)

https://www.forbes.ru/obshchestvo/396459-tayna-covid-19-pochemu-uroven-smertnosti-ot-koronavirusa-ostaetsya-zagadkoy

[Mimoprohodil]

30.03.2020/22/45 XNUMX:XNUMX would you still bring the ancient writings

Quote: MA3UTA

Scientists at the University of Hong Kong calculated that in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, the likely mortality rate was 1,4%, which is much lower than the previous estimate of 4,5%

The Chinese recently counted an additional 1300 dead in Wuhan and the mortality rate is 6%

[MA3UTA]

Your writings will remain so. Without links.
One writes real 9%, the other declares 6%, in a beautiful picture 6.7
Are there any facts? Find fresh ones.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

It's right. The developed infectious disease service of China has made it possible for the billion people to dispense with the thousands of dead.

[gsev]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close.

In Russia, mortality is about 10%. Moreover, the growth rate of patients so far is the highest in the world: 15% of the number of patients per day. Unfortunately, it is difficult to speak with optimism about the prospects of victory over the coronavirus looking at the statistics. Additional measures required. If the pace does not change in Russia in a month there will be 2 million patients. Medicine then simply dies from the coronavirus. In the US, 10 times more get sick per day. But it seems that this number is starting to decline. US medicine was able to withstand so many patients. It is hoped that with recovery and a decrease in the number of sick, mortality will begin to decline in the United States. In my opinion, Trump's assessment is too optimistic, but let's hope that the new drugs and US medicine will make his assessment close to the truth.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Quote: gsev

In Russia, mortality is about 10%

No, 1000%. Just the majority of the dead do not know that they are dead.

[bk316]

Where to them to Russia: Where to them to Russia:

Again, two horseradish did not understand, but writing.
Do you understand the DIFFERENCE between sick and sick?
This is a question for Mikhail.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Where are they to Russia:

Calm down, don’t look for statistics in Russia for fraud, we just started a pandemic later, but now we are adding 20% ​​per day, at the rate by the beginning of the summer all 147 million people will get sick. And the dead will also be quite a few.

[LifeIsGood]

Yes, yes it’s all a conspiracy of the government of Kiselev, Medvedev and Putin, who on a dark-dark night came up with an insidious plan to personally hide this information from YOU !!!!
Try to look for a more logical explanation, otherwise you’re tired of this kind of nonsense ... Show your imagination at last ...

[pru-pavel]

Take the dead and divide by the sum of the recovered and the dead. Great mathematicians can be seen right away.

[rocket757]

All the same, it’s not clear. Doctors say about an incomprehensible outbreak of pneumonia and other similar diseases on the eve of the announced epidemic. But we did not go through it in extreme mode!
Himself such, was ill at the end of December, but I am an old smoking room and I have exacerbations a year, a year later, although this year I had to pound! This has not happened before.
So guess now, but what I was sick of.
We have a specialized hospital, everyone with similar diseases is identified there. So there were no places there, so I had to be treated at home, since they did injections at the feldsher point, and this was next to the house. But still, I had to write a refusal. Now all the rules, just wondering how it pleased me ???
There is a lot of incomprehensible with this virus, too much, bye !!!

[Svarog]

Quote: rocket757

Himself such, was ill at the end of December,

It is at the same time and exactly like you .. they say when it will be possible to test for antibodies, I’m waiting for where and when .. I want to check, or maybe it was a coronavirus .. because the cough was creepy and treated for a long time. .

[rocket757]

Really, I exhausted my whole cough, I almost quit smoking .... now I dabble, in moderation, with the very, lightest ... grass, grass!
Cough syrups from the ears started pouring out! I can’t see them anymore.
Yes, and antibiotics injected some new, imported, expensive! It helped, however.
Getting sick is becoming more expensive, that's a fact!

[Svarog]

Quote: rocket757

Really, I exhausted my whole cough, I almost quit smoking .... now I dabble, in moderation, with the very, lightest ... grass, grass!

I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks .. and then again, I thought about smoking a couple of cigarettes a day .. well, for some time it was, now it’s again at 16-18 a day ..

Yes, and antibiotics injected some new, imported, expensive! It helped, however.

They gave me five droppers ... and they also injected antibiotics, when it all started, I bought it myself, drank the course, but they didn’t help at all, everything just got worse .. then at night I woke up from the fact that I started to breathe badly, I ran fluorography in the morning, They didn’t find anything .. but, as Maxim Shevchenko says, CT should be done .. In short, he transferred the legs, worked at the same time, in the morning and evening for an injection of antibiotics .. and so for 6 days, the antibiotics were unbearable .. in one roll prick, the foot is taken away for five minutes .. shorter tin, then another month restored the intestines ..

[rocket757]

I myself have not been treated, with this it is easier for us, our own honey dignity. Everything is strictly as prescribed. But the pills and syrup were not enough, I had to go to the "photo" to do, and then they sent me to the hospital! The first sick leave in ten years! I myself did not expect this. Although I am a smoking room, but still a strong "stump", was !!!
You should quit smoking, probably, and do hardening again, probably too.

[Svarog]

Quote: rocket757

You should quit smoking, probably, and do hardening again, probably too.

It’s necessary .. only I threw it 5 times, set the record for the last time, I didn’t smoke for 8 months .. But I have doubts that I’ll give up .. here the number of cigarettes needs to be reduced and this is generally not difficult, just from constant self-control of the nerves start to play pranks)) 10 cigarettes a day, such a quantity is generally given painlessly. We need to do self-control again ..

[rocket757]

Himself so. And he threw and started again. Half a pack a day ... such savings.
Before the disease, smoke took 6 or more pieces a month, now it’s much more modest .... painfully expensive drugs !!!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Svarog

I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks ..

Wimps! I’m not smoking for 16 years. Although the first 5 years I even dreamed.
And the cough after this infection is really hard - I’m still dying. I have seasonal asthma.

[for]

Quote: Svarog

I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks .. and then again, I thought about smoking a couple of cigarettes a day .. well, for some time it was, now it’s again at 16-18 a day.

You have to choose one end, so you are not ripe to quit.

[New Year day]

Quote: rocket757

Doctors say about an incomprehensible outbreak of pneumonia and other similar diseases on the eve of the announced epidemic.

why is it incomprehensible?
"The 2008 Nobel Prize laureate, French virologist Luc Montagnier said that the coronavirus is of laboratory origin. COVID-19 contains HIV particles," he said.
Montagnier called the information about the infection of people with coronavirus from wild animals a beautiful legend, which, however, has no relation to reality. The virus was created in a Wuhan lab, he said in an interview with French portal Pourquoi Docteur.
https://iz.ru/1001343/2020-04-17/nobelevskii-laureat-zaiavil-ob-iskusstvennom-proiskhozhdenii-koronavirusa?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
And I believe him! Recent studies by morphologists suggest that there is no such pneumonia in the dead.

[primala]

Your arguments are suggestive ... You are a "worker" for a cent.
I decided to dull my guard !? "Leino" rolling on your ears !? Oh well

[New Year day]

Quote: primaala

Your arguments are suggestive ... You are a "worker" for a cent.
I decided to dull my guard !? "Leino" rolling on your ears !? Oh well

what are you talking about? Thoughts messed up?

[primala]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: primaala

Your arguments are suggestive ... You are a "worker" for a cent.
I decided to dull my guard !? "Leino" rolling on your ears !? Oh well

what are you talking about? Thoughts messed up?

This is NOT in your bundle to collect. Get ready !!! Give up the hill !!!
We have a "expert (s)"

[Lopatov]

Quote: Silvestr

The virus was created in a Wuhan lab, he said in an interview with French portal Pourquoi Docteur.

I wonder how much he earned on this?

[rocket757]

The more opinions, theories are expressed by different people, respected, including the more confusion in the heads!
My father-in-law and a friend died of pneumonia. Rather, in-law pneumonia led to an injury, from which he died. This is a serious illness, if you do not have time to start treating it in time. So it was before, so it will be in the future, we will see.
I have long been firmly established in the opinion that if humanity ends, we will do it ourselves!

[voyaka uh]

"French virologist Luc Montagnier" ////
----
He is 87 years old. And everywhere he sees HIV, which he studied 40 years ago.
The director of the American Central Institute of Infections said unequivocally:
natural virus.
Mutations were tracked a year ago. They are fully consistent
natural transitions. And they tracked the transient mutation from animals to humans.

[kot423]

Those. director's words - ultimate truth? Well - well ... I remember not so long ago that a whole star-striped CAM and its deputies broadcast that there were no casualties after the shelling ...

[Pereira]

Let me guess. The Chinese are to blame. How many shekels do your compatriots want from China? What are the bets for tonight?

[Kathernik]

If the virus was from American laboratories, then I did not expect another. Of course, in order not to cast a shadow, they will now prove with foam at the mouth that it is of natural origin.

[bk316]

According to him, COVID-19 contains HIV particles.

Believe it?
What directly did the PARTICLES say?
Protons? neutrons?
Sylvester Are you definitely a doctor?

[Pereira]

I see that you appreciated the simplicity and grace of the way to bring clean propagandists to the open water.
All that was needed was to study mathematics at school.
If ours does not have muhlezh with statistics, then the real mortality rate is 9-10%. Of the 3300 ill, 300 died.
We expect that out of the current 33 thousand patients, 30 will recover, 3 will die.

[venik]

Quote: Pereira

If ours does not have muhlezh with statistics, then real mortality 9-10%.

======
Well, if of course you count it SO, then it turns out that in the United States mortality is 59% (!) In Italy and France - by 55%, and in the unfortunate Netherlands - and in general - 1143,1 % !!!

[gsev]

Quote: venik

the unfortunate Netherlands - and in general - 1143,1%

It is necessary to divide the number of dead by the sum of the dead and recovered, if you do not want to get a mortality rate of more than 100%.

[venik]

Quote: gsev

It is necessary to divide the number of dead by the sum of the dead and recovered, if you do not want to get a mortality rate of more than 100%.

=========
I know that! But it seems - NOT EVERYTHING!
By the way, if you use the above plate (the original can be found: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, and a similar approach, it turns out that in the Netherlands the mortality rate is 94% ( ).
Therefore - it’s more correct to correlate the number of dead to the number registered infected! So still more correct!

[Pereira]

1143,1. You obviously smoked a math textbook in your childhood.
It is the statistics of the Netherlands - 250 recovered, 3601 died, it is best said that the statistics there are either rigged, or a mortality rate of 94%. I am inclined to the first.

[venik]

Quote: Pereira

You obviously smoked a math textbook as a child. It’s the statistics of the Netherlands - there are no survivors, but only the dead, it is best said that the statistics there are either rigged or the mortality rate is 94%

=========
Yes! With a sense of humor, you obviously "did not work out" .....
And on the part of "smoking textbooks" you clearly outdid me! Well, you have to manage to "smoke" the whole textbook "Theories of Probability and Mathematical Statistics" - he 4 times thicker school textbook in mathematics !!! But, since you determine mortality not by the ratio of "dead / infected", but by the ratio of "deceased / (recovered + dead)", then you are clearly GREAT!
"The Ministry of Health warns: excessive smoking is DANGEROUS for your health!"

[Pereira]

If you really studied mathematical statistics, you would know that your model can only be considered when the epidemic is over and the number of cases = number of people recovered + number of deaths.
In the meantime, the epidemic is in full swing, only my method works, unless, of course, you want to consciously downplay the scale of the tragedy to please the propagandists of EP (The organization is still allowed in Russia)
Mathematics is not your element. Sorry for the frankness.

[venik]

Quote: Pereira

If you really studied mathematical statistics, you would know that your model can only be considered when the epidemic is over and the number of cases = number of people recovered + number of deaths.

========
At first: This is actually not "my model" (thanks for the compliment, of course!), But standard a statistical approach that allows a realistic assessment of the situation in this moment! What did you think?
---------

Quote: Pereira

And while the epidemic is in full swing, only my method works,

=========
Hmm! "Modesty" she certainly decorates .... When there is nothing more to decorate!
Interestingly, and HOW are you going, for example, to define "engine operating time per failure"? Only AFTER ALL engines will work out your resource and will written off?? And TO WHOM then such information will be needed?
PS And the probability theory and mathematical statistics were taught in our first year at the physics faculty!

[Pereira]

Interestingly, and HOW are you going, for example, to define "engine operating time per failure"? Only AFTER ALL engines are used up and will be written off ??? lol AND WHO will need such information then?

I will answer physics as a mechanic.
1. For testing, a batch of engines is simultaneously launched.
2. During the tests for each of them, the time between failures is recorded. This is to analyze the individual situation, since a failure can be caused not by a design feature, but, for example, by marriage in the manufacture of a separate part or by a maintenance error (they did not add oil).
3. After the failure of the last engine, the average MTBF of the batch is determined. But the statistics can be adjusted based on paragraph 2, if deviations from the test conditions were identified.
4. Based on the tests, a conclusion is drawn about the reliability of the structure as a whole and further improvement measures are planned.

With regard to our situation, there is current mortality, which is calculated by the number of patients with any outcome, and there is final when the epidemic is over. The Chinese are already taking stock. The rest is too early.
Based on the current dynamics of mortality (if it were published), it would be possible to draw certain conclusions about how the effectiveness of the treatment used changes over time and build more accurate schedules.
If I had the relevant information, I would do it. But who will give it to me?
So we are waiting for official reports and hope for their veracity. In the meantime, we use what we have.

Somewhere like that.

Threat. I studied mathematical statistics in the 4th year, after I studied the sections of mathematics required to study hydrodynamics.

[Svarog]

Quote: Pereira

Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

The percentage is frightening .. just like the word "waiting" ..

[Pereira]

I would not say that I look forward to their death. But mathematics is apolitical and cruel.

[Svarog]

Quote: Pereira

I would not say that I look forward to their death. But mathematics is apolitical and cruel.

I agree .. you can’t argue against mathematics ..

[rocket757]

Math, it's magic, numbers! Something else can be done only by people themselves.

[bk316]

I agree .. you can’t argue against mathematics ..

You’re in company with Mikhail

[Pereira]

Yes, there is outdated classical mathematics, and there is modern tolerant. Are you, by chance, not a retrograde?

[Avior]

Statistics change for the better as the number of recovered increases, and very much

[knn54]

Ill. Knowing the cost of testing (not even treatment) instantly recovered.

[w70]

Trump, well done, Stalin would have made him Commissar

[rocket757]

Even the remnants of Soviet medicine work where they are still preserved.
Maybe she was not the most equipped, modern, but she was reliable as a scrap!
There are many difficulties with her now, but people do not shy away from her because of the high cost of any treatment, for medical help.

[den3080]

Trump must be given the nickname - "King of IVL."
He will like it.

[Mouse]

Trump said that according to the new forecast, deaths from the coronavirus are expected in the United States "about 60 thousand, possibly 65 thousand people." At the same time, against the background of the previous forecast, which spoke of 200 thousand deaths, Trump said about "excellent work" done "by him personally and his team" from the White House administration.

the main thing is to correct the numbers in time, chick and you are already the savior and benefactor of the whole nation ...

[Pereira]

Trump perfectly adjusted the numbers. And in time he gave the order. Another 30 thousand will die, and then immediately cease.
But the glorious Turkmenbashi is even cooler. He generally banned the virus. Therefore, there are no patients there.

[mole]

If only Turkmenbashi himself did not violate the law. Although he seems to be possible. He signed it himself and violated it!

[Pereira]

That would be fun.

[Amateur]

The main thing is that he does not promise to keep salaries for the period of "self-isolation".

[NF68]

Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

[Dembel77]

The White House slammed the start of the epidemic, now the Americans will, as usual, look for the extreme. And what cynicism in the words of the American president ... even my heart sank. And does such a man like ordinary Americans?

[Sergey39]

They will not, but have already been appointed. They filed a lawsuit against China, and Russia was declared to have broken American medicine.

[New Year day]

Quote: Dembel 77

The White House slammed the start of the epidemic

and who did not slam?

[Dembel77]

After reading this article again, I conclude that there is no way to answer your question. The article does not contain data on other states. Sincerely.

[bk316]

and who did not slam?

I think everyone slammed. From the groats so sure.
More or less adequately, the Jews came forward.

[NF68]

Quote: Dembel 77

The White House slammed the start of the epidemic,

If only I had slammed. And after all, they already knew what and how everything was in China and Italy, and yet they were not in a hurry to take effective measures.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: NF68

Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

[Svarog]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: NF68

Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

That's for sure ... unlike the Russian voter, who is doomed to endure this orgy ..

[New Year day]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

But if you help Trump in this matter?

[Sergej1972]

Half-minded Biden, five years older than Trump?

[NF68]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: NF68

Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

It seems that everything will be like this.

[Mountain shooter]

The virus, of course, will immediately pick it up, shout: "Yavol, Herr President ..." and destroy itself. Wangui, that judging by the rate of infection and statistics of death - which lags behind the statistics of infections by at least 10-15 US days, up to hundreds of thousands of deaths will reach in two to three weeks ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Patlaty raves again. Fresh portion of coke?

[primala]

Excuse me ... let me conclude ... about the leader of America.
When the first time HE appeared as a media "person", the first thing that came to mind was who sleeps with THIS "miracle" !?
(sponges with a bow, brains in the trash) OMEriki women really on dry rations.

[Masha]

Quote: primaala

women OMEriki really on a dry ration

there are no men ... some men remained ... but on the lack of fish and cancer, fish ...
not everyone is lucky because we ....

[Masha]

here it is the corrupting influence of the West! crammed a man of some sort ....

[Avior]

This miracle is the eighth dozen
Not all are young macho be
And who is sleeping and sleeping with him, officially anyway,
- It's not a secret like.

[Masha]

The last of the Mohicans ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: primaala

Excuse me ... let me conclude ... about the leader of America.
When the first time HE appeared as a media "person", the first thing that came to mind was who sleeps with THIS "miracle" !?
(sponges with a bow, brains in the trash) OMEriki women really on dry rations.

Trump was married three times: the Czech model Ivan Zelnichkova, the American actress Marle Maples and the model Melanie Knavs, with whom Trump still lives. In addition, the billionaire does not hide his love affairs with married and unmarried women. Trump's former companions are rumored to include Carla Bruni, current wife of French politician Nicolas Sarkozy, as well as American model Kara Young.

Donald Trump and Ivan Zelnichkov were married for 15 years, from 1977 to 1992. From this marriage, Trump had three children.

Donald Trump and Marla Maples have been married for 6 years, from 1993 to 1999. In the marriage, the couple had a daughter - Tiffany Ariana Trump.

Trump and Knavs got engaged in 2004 and married on January 22, 2005. March 20, 2006 the couple had a boy named Barron William Trump. He became Trump's fifth child.

February 2, 2008 Carla Bruni married Nicolas Sarkozy.

American model Kara Young.

[primala]

I read his "adventures". )) Anyway, he is not an Eagle !!! WE are women a mile away we smell muzhikoff))
And if a man is not a man, then the demand from him is MAL. Neither in politics ... nor in bed ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: primaala

I read his "adventures". )) Anyway, he is not an Eagle !!! WE are women a mile away we smell muzhikoff))
And if a man is not a man, then the demand from him is MAL. Neither in politics ... nor in bed ...
Reply

Yes, Trump, as I understand it, flew by ...
In fact, you should not smell a man-whetherand man-on. Then everything will be all right.

In general, beautiful women love taking pictures with presidents.

[Avior]

For twenty years he was the owner of the Miss Universe contest.
With him, and before the presidency were photographed

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Avior

For twenty years he was the owner of the Miss Universe contest.
With him, and before the presidency were photographed

Well, I wish this to all "presidents".
I rummaged in Google for the key "...... and women" (any president is put instead of an ellipsis) and made sure that my assertion is well-grounded: women love to be photographed with presidents.

[Avior]

or presidents with women

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Avior

or presidents with women

Some presidents take pictures with women due to a stalemate.

[primala]

Some presidents take pictures with women due to a stalemate.
=======================
By your logic, hiding your Gender !?
Usually, those men who are looking for a niche of self-affirmation, such as, for example, appearing to be a man / male, TE and fotkayutstsa against the background of young and beautiful.
A real man does NOT need "advertising".

[A. Privalov]

Quote: primaala

By your logic, hiding its genoednost !?
Usually, those men who are looking for a niche for self-affirmation, such as being seem like a man \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 's, AES, and FotayuZa against the background of young and beautiful.
A real man does NOT need "advertising".

By my logic, presidents are obliged to take pictures with their citizens. Everything else, your platitudes.

[Avior]

yeah. presidents are women. they have no options - a picture without at least one woman does not work

[primala]

Yes, Trump, as I understand it, flew by ...
====================
How shallow you think. Funny to read. Trump, like you ... didn’t know either love or buzz ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: primaala

How shallow you think. Funny to read. Trump, like you ... didn’t know either love or buzz ...

Yes, where are we, Sivolapim. So all my life they were drifting from sand to pebble and without love and without buzz ... I don’t even know how such a lean life has lived. Well, at least you, I hope, have come off in full? Annealed for us all?

[primala]

Annealed for us all?
================
I hope satisfied ... ONE single. Although ... mmm ... we must remember ...)))

[Avior]

You are probably further than a mile away from him, both in space and in time.

[samarin1969]

Mr. Privalov simply, like a "dossier from Stirlitz" ... "a true womanizer, merciless to abstinence" ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: samarin1969

Mr. Privalov simply, like a "dossier from Stirlitz" ... "a true womanizer, merciless to abstinence" ...

He had never smoked or drank (his older brother died of alcoholism at 43), did not take drugs. Normal people

[samarin1969]

In my humble life experience, everyone should have some kind of "sublimation" ... This "horror of hairdressers" does not drink, does not smoke, does not smell ... it turns out that an excess of energy is spent on glossy girls ... Really "normal h" ... ... To be honest, I was always surprised that a practicing billionaire was labeled as a weak President.
It would be preferable for Russia, at the head of a hostile state, to see the neurotic mn. Clinton, than this cynic.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: samarin1969

Frankly, I was always surprised that the practicing billionaire was recorded as a weak President.

Democrats cannot forgive him for this fortune. They have very different life views. That’s what they are doing.
This is a joke, or, if you like, a parable:

While visiting my friends, I asked their little daughter who would
she wanted to be when she grows up.
- The President! - the girl answered confidently.
- Wow! - I said, - and what will you do first when you become
the president?
“I will give a roof over my head and go to all the homeless,” the girl replied.
Her parents, the liberal democrats present in this dialogue,
just shone.
“A worthy goal,” I said, “but it’s not at all necessary to wait,”
while you become president. Let's clear the lawn behind
of my house, weed all the weeds, prune the grass and flowers, and I will
I’ll pay 50 dollars for this. Then we will go with you to the supermarket, where
a homeless guy is constantly hanging out, and you will give him this money to
he could buy food and a roof over his head ...
The girl thought for a few seconds, then looked right at me
eyes and asked:
- And why not this homeless guy to do all this work himself and
get 50 dollars?
“Welcome to the Republican Party, my baby,” I smiled.

PS The girl’s parents still don’t talk to me.

And Madame Clinton. For all my life, I have not hammered a nail into the wall. She was engaged in continuous trepology.

[samarin1969]

Beautiful, convincing. ... Thank you for the lesson.

[A. Privalov]

You're welcome!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: samarin1969

Beautiful, convincing.

And if the guy is sitting in a wheelchair?

[samarin1969]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: samarin1969

Beautiful, convincing.

And if the guy is sitting in a wheelchair?

The guy is "hanging out" ... hardly ...
I think that both Trump and Putin would have found 50 "nerves" for the "wheelchair user" ... Stalin, revered at VO, would have offered to sharpen knives (like Garmash in the famous film) ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: samarin1969

I think that both Trump and Putin would find 50 "non-rubles" for a wheelchair user ...

I don’t know how Trump, but Putin even found a little more. My neighbor received about $ 70 in disability. Per month. He threw back his hooves a little over a year ago. Which of him is an employee, if he hobbled for two hours with a stick for half an hour?

[venik]

! ...Trump said "excellent work" done by "him personally and his team".... "
=======
Something "painfully familiar" ...... I remember!

"Thanks to MY system, under MY sensitive guidance ...." (Comrade Samokhvalov, film "Vola-Volga")

[Avior]

A great movie:)
Only yet comrade Byvalov

[samarin1969]

Americans are lucky to have a president. On the national debt, oil, trade wars, now - the virus, Trump is trying to really "steer". Bush and Obama left him with many problems.
Trump constantly talks a lot with the people and is very specific. Therefore, mistakes and adjustments are inevitable. The President of the United States is taking a decent risk. does not declare "mega quarantine". The "socialist" Obama would most likely be trying to "save people." And old Trump himself does not hide "in the ranch", and arranged a "survival course" for citizens. He can be respected for his courage.

[Dembel77]

Only time will tell what some people hide behind ostentatious courage.

The day before, Donald Trump said that thanks to the actions of the authorities, numerous victims of the coronavirus were avoided.

“2,2 million people could die. The minimum, if we did not do anything, would be 1,6 million. But we did a great job, ”Trump said.

In the event that the outbreak takes on an even more global scale, military helicopters will urgently evacuate the entire top of the government to a safe place. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2020418347-fFEg8.html

[primala]

Bush and Obama left him a lot of problems.
Trump constantly talks a lot with the people and very specifically.
----------
If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And told the WHOLE American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT. The country's debt is built on greenery, NOTHING backed up by ANYTHING.
What kind of economy can we talk about !?

[samarin1969]

The people of America know better about the FRS, the state debt, the "treasury" than about the whole world history and politics. And about debt too. This is important and interesting for them.
America has a housekeeper - Fords, Boeings, grains and whatnot. Trump "on the brink of a foul" removes competitors from the markets - Chinese, Europeans, "Russians." And this is his main policy, and not an ephemeral fight against terrorists or Putin.

[primala]

The people of America know better about the FRS, the state debt, the "treasury" than about the whole world history and politics.
===================
Unfortunately ... America’s common people don’t know, and they don’t have a clue what the Fed is.
they don’t KNOW HISTORY. Know NOT a single subject. (Unfortunately). There is one emigrant (not the authority of opinion, and yet I take into account ...) she worked for a single year in an American school. How many interesting things she described about the primary education of American schoolchildren. Under her comment (on YouTube), the trolls were ready to tear her apart. The woman turned out to be brave. And she continued to describe the realities ... Fortunately, she has now returned to Russia. I am sure she would have been closed long ago for such information about the American "school" if she had not returned to Russia.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: primaala

If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And he told ALL the American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT.

Of course they would. And then they would stammer. Legs, legs ... Yes, on the kidneys, on the kidneys ...

[cniza]

Trump made a new “bold” forecast for the number of coronavirus victims in the US

And declare himself the winner of world evil ...

[Pvi1206]

pretends that everything is under control ...

[Ingvar 72]

We do it much less successfully.

[Shahno]

Quote: Prjanik

And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.

I believe that this is a clear figure among the Jewish population. Maybe due to the Arabs 1.5 percent. In any case, the situation has been taken under control.

[Prjanik]

Quote: Shahno

Quote: Prjanik

And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.

I believe that this is a clear figure among the Jewish population. Maybe due to the Arabs 1.5 percent. In any case, the situation has been taken under control.

In situations where chroniclers are urged to isolate themselves, infectious disease specialists work normally, and patients with a crown and orvi do not lie nearby, where does high mortality come from. Moreover, it seems that the virus mutates and becomes not so dangerous.

[Tomich3]

We are waiting for the statements of our leader from the bunker

[Gardamir]

Here is the opinion of a respected person.

[depressant]

I trust Dr. Roshal.
Self-isolation - tired. Just now, still in a state of my disease not understood by doctors, I am a ready-made victim of a coronovirus, I will meet him. That is forced to sit at home. And the people got used to it, there are almost no masks on anyone, perhaps, in vain, my village lives a working life - people of small incomes cannot even calculate the percentage of deaths from a pandemic in the States. The country wants to work and is nervous that it is deprived of such an opportunity. Here is a message on RBC: beat the doctor and driver. In Bryansk, the conflict between entrepreneurs and the landlord in the market, the tension is growing - this should be discussed.

[Sergej1972]

I see that there are more masked people every day.

[Doccor18]

The first person in the state must report on the work done to fight the disease, and Trump considers and predicts all the dead ...

[Avior]

he must show his merit that losses and casualties are much smaller than they would have been if not for him.
The election is the same.

[Doccor18]

All this is disgusting that elections, careers, money are exchanged for thousands of human lives.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: primaala

Bush and Obama left him a lot of problems.
Trump constantly talks a lot with the people and very specifically.
----------
If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And told the WHOLE American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT. The country's debt is built on greenery, NOTHING backed up by ANYTHING.
What kind of economy can we talk about !?

Really, nothing. And why do central banks of other countries accumulate it in their foreign exchange reserves? For example, the Russian Federation on March 20.03.2020, 551,2 had 487 billion US dollars available. (A year ago there were only 45. An increase of XNUMX billion.)

[Livonetc]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Looking Petrovich

1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world

it means that Putin was wrong, saying that there is a "catastrophe" in Russian medicine

Quote: Looking Petrovich

3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

guessed it.

My daughter is an ambulance nurse.
There is no information about any mass hospitalizations of people in serious condition.
Yes, their substation has currently lost 6 employees (infected).
One of the infected children is now in quarantine.
Tests are available and massively used not only in Moscow.
There is some coordination between the central and regional headquarters and the organizations involved.
This is inherent in our country at all times at the initial stage of a problem.
The daughter now except complains of increased attention.
Up to 20 calls per day and daily visits.
If you are a doctor, stop breeding what you are currently producing.
Save your strength and do your own thing.

[Cheerock]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

Quote: Pereira

Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

Where are they to Russia:
according to official data (17.04.20), the percentage of deaths from coronovirus in the Russian Federation from the total number of cases is 0,83%.
At the same time, the world average is 6,7%.
Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close. In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.
There are 3 possible explanations:
1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

You, dear, do not carry garbage to the masses. This screenshot was taken here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
We press on the camps and look at the attitude of the dead to the cured. We have just 8.3%. Such a small mistake is only 10 times. In Germany - 5%. In the Netherlands - at 90%, by the way, but you are modestly silent about this, as well as the fact that in Europe only 2 countries have decided to do nothing and the Netherlands is one of the two.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

I personally do not, friends have no friends either.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Warrior StillTot

Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

I personally do not, friends have no friends either.

Here, everything is clear. The country is big. The territory is vast with a low population density. It is too early.

[Warrior MorePhoto]

Quote: A. Privalov

Quote: Warrior StillTot

Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

I personally do not, friends have no friends either.

Here, everything is clear. The country is big. The territory is vast with a low population density. It is too early.

This is all clear, the question is only for a group of interlocutors. Thank you for connecting, I understand not among "yours"

[for]

All these statistics are not formed about anything 2 + 2, as you need. Arranged competitions. Not a little topic, the authorities of one of the regions in negotiations with the virus managed to reach a ceasefire until April 20, after the mandatory wearing of masks. As always, from Monday we give up bad habits, the first week of self-isolation.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: primaala

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: primaala

Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.

A child under 5 years old forms his subconscious and worldview.
The rest ... 95% is accounted for - what I read, what I saw, and how I UNDERSTAND the situation situation.
I think ... you are biased towards me. To my perception and understanding of what is happening.
I am too lazy to state the "accuracy" of the analytics of what is happening. Because of the RESPECT of the mighty of the world of Shogo - men. It would not even occur to me to dispute your opinion. Do you know why !? I learned to read between the lines. SUPERVISORY.
And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.

you are a terrible person. dangerous to others. peremptory judgments rolls over. conceit in other matters too. labeling has become "good" form in VO. the principle "who is not with us is against us" is downright transcendent. however, I partly understand people like you. no matter what, not having your own opinion, singing the praises of the current government (any government) is your credo. moreover, not at all doubting his right to judge people. it's good to live with such principles. is not it? the main thing is to approve of those who are at the helm. people like you today spit in the USSR, tomorrow with the same ecstasy they will spit on the Russian Federation if another course change happens. here they tried to slap mud at Silvestr, a doctor who is more in the subject than you. and let him be a pensioner, but my eldest daughter is a doctor, and what she says to me is in tune with Sylvester's statements. although I would be glad to be mistaken. and here you are personally WHO by profession? well, apart from a specialist in reading between the lines, whose mighty mind is capable of helping Russia? Well, to be fair, I will introduce myself - an employee of Russian Railways, a specialist in automation and technological equipment devices, I hold the position of a senior electromechanic in a control post.

[sanik2020]

An accurate forecast, even in the church will not give, which is in direct contact with the Lord.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Complete failure of insurance medicine. What in the USA, what in Britain. For the whole country - several hundred highly qualified doctors, for the elite. The rest - a very mediocre treatment for crazy money. To treat a cold for 70 thousand dollars a week? Our liberals, with free ambulance and quick hospitalization, did not even dream about Putin in their nightmares.

[2 Level Advisor]

Oyo Sarkazmi, let’s give out fair and honest information, are you not against the truth?
firstly, the cost of treatment for coronavirus in the USA is from 1 to 42 tdol for the entire treatment, and not 70 per week.
Secondly (and this is more important), this is for those who do not have health insurance (blacks and all kinds of anti-elements), and approximately 2 percent of the US population has insurance.

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

More than 70 thousand is exactly hospitalization for 1 week. If you have insurance, compensation will be half this amount. So 30 thousand - in any case, from the patient’s pocket.

[2 Level Advisor]

"According to the assessment of the independent non-profit organization FAIR Health" -70000

“I assume that the treatment bill will be at least $ 5000”

“In principle, not everyone openly announces the facts about the prices of treatment. But you can find information through some sources. For example, the most expensive treatment in the US. this price is $ 75. Patients in serious condition must be treated for at least four weeks, then the treatment will cost up to $ 300 thousand. However, for citizens with insurance, these figures are much lower.
At this stage, the US government made a free test for the detection of coronavirus. Also opened a special call center for those wishing to be treated at home. Doctors give advice and recommendations for free. The US television system has introduced the telemedicine service. Remote medical advice costs $ 34.
But this information does not mean that cash-strapped people in the United States are dying. The state allocated $ 2,2 trillion to eliminate the coronavirus crisis. "

See how different the information is? but so far they’re not collecting anything from anyone ..

[veritas]

The whole planet will be ill with this virus. But the number of victims will be greater where there are more elderly and worse medicine.