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Trump made a new “bold” forecast for the number of coronavirus victims in the US

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Trump made a new “bold” forecast for the number of coronavirus victims in the US

US President Donald Trump made a new “optimistic” forecast for the situation with coronavirus, criticizing some US governors. About it writes The Independent.


Speaking at a press conference, Trump said that according to the new forecast, mortality from the coronavirus "about 60 thousand, possibly 65 thousand people" is expected in the territory of the United States. At the same time, against the background of the past forecast, which spoke of 200 thousand dead, Trump said about the "excellent work" done "by him personally and his team" from the White House administration.

I hope that we will not reach the figure of 100 thousand. At the moment, we are counting on 60-65 thousand (...) initially the number of deaths could reach 2,2 million people, while the civil war claimed the lives of 500- 600 thousand lives. Honestly, I have seen even more scary forecasts

- declared Trump

In addition, the American leader said the United States was the “King of IVL,” and his public health team categorically rejected state governors' allegations of insufficient testing.

Recall that on April 16, Trump announced that the United States overcame the peak for coronavirus disease. According to him, this suggests the need to weaken the restrictions imposed due to quarantine.

Note that to date in the United States officially registered coronavirus - 710272 people, deaths from coronavirus - 37242, recovered - 63510.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira April 18 2020 17: 52 New
    -5
    Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.
    1. Looking Petrovich
      Looking Petrovich April 18 2020 18: 01 New
      -30
      Quote: Pereira
      Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

      Where are they to Russia:
      according to official data (17.04.20), the percentage of deaths from coronovirus in the Russian Federation from the total number of cases is 0,83%.
      At the same time, the world average is 6,7%.
      Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close. In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.
      There are 3 possible explanations:
      1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
      2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
      3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 April 18 2020 18: 05 New
        22
        There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.
        And this is the most real reason.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim April 18 2020 18: 32 New
          +5
          This is yes, plus, we take the population, the place of the dense population (there are more millionaires in the USA) and the figures are not taken into official statistics from closed institutions.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 18 2020 18: 34 New
          -15
          Quote: Sergey39
          There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.

          catch up
          Quote: Sergey39
          And this is the most real reason.

          problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.
          А если Минздрав РФ отказался от тестирование в плане верификации диагноза, то это свидетельство "высокой специфичности тестов", указывающих на погоду в Москве laughing
          1. primaala
            primaala April 18 2020 18: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Sergey39
            There is a fourth point. We mass infection began later.

            catch up
            Quote: Sergey39
            And this is the most real reason.

            problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.
            А если Минздрав РФ отказался от тестирование в плане верификации диагноза, то это свидетельство "высокой специфичности тестов", указывающих на погоду в Москве laughing

            I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 18 2020 18: 44 New
              -7
              Quote: primaala
              I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!

              and ... Do not distract your attention to me, do what you love
              1. primaala
                primaala April 18 2020 18: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: primaala
                I do not like you!!! You are a bad person !!!

                and ... Do not distract your attention to me, do what you love

                Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.
                Do not be sad. Lines. The network suffers. (for the time being).
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 18 2020 18: 47 New
                  -5
                  Quote: primaala
                  Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

                  health, do not sneeze or cough.
                  1. primaala
                    primaala April 18 2020 18: 50 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    Quote: primaala
                    Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

                    health, do not sneeze or cough.

                    О себе думай. МЫ "видим" кто есть КТО.
                    ay !!! am
                    1. depressant
                      depressant April 18 2020 19: 23 New
                      +4
                      Colleague Primaala!
                      Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult? The respected Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in the very heat, in hell, who are struggling with coronavirus, who are laying down their lives for the lives of patients. And only in rare spare minutes does Dr. Silvestr enter VO. He knows the situation from the inside, owns the information and is more competent in the matter than any of those present.
                      Show dignity and apologize to him, as well as to all of us. Insulting Dr. Sylvester, you insult all forum users.
                      1. primaala
                        primaala April 18 2020 19: 28 New
                        +1
                        Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult?
                        =====================
                        "оскорбить" - и цели НЕТ.
                        And if you are about to guess what WHO writes on the VO website, then here (perhaps) as in preference - how the card will fall ...)))
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 18 2020 19: 48 New
                        14
                        Quote: depressant
                        You insult all forum users

                        And with what kind of fright do you speak for ALL forum users?
                        I did not give you the right to speak on my behalf!
                      3. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 April 18 2020 19: 58 New
                        11
                        Quote: depressant
                        You insult all forum users.

                        1. As well as Rostov, Khabarovsk, Minsk and Kharkiv.
                        2. Signing for all is very presumptuous of you.
                        Thoroughly, thoroughly.
                        3. Petty bourgeois, surround yourself.
                      4. Grits
                        Grits April 19 2020 02: 17 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Paranoid50
                        1. As well as Rostov, Khabarovsk, Minsk and Kharkiv.

                        You forgot about the Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, and most importantly, the Kurts. smile
                      5. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 April 19 2020 11: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Gritsa
                        and most importantly, Kurts.

                        Kurskovtsev. yes Oh, blood from the eyes and ears ....wassat
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 21: 33 New
                    -2
                    Quote: depressant
                    Do you even know who you are trying to hurt and insult?

                    I almost let a tear go !!! crying lol
                    Quote: depressant
                    The esteemed Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in hell itself, in hell,

                    yes, yes, yes ... some soldiers here from the trenches write between the battles, others write between the battles with the coronavirus !!! fool laughing
                    Quote: depressant
                    apologize to him as well as to all of us

                    it is not necessary to generalize !!! lol
                  3. Tank hard
                    Tank hard April 18 2020 22: 53 New
                    +2
                    Quote: depressant
                    Silvestr is one of those doctors who are in the thick of fire, in hell, who are fighting the coronavirus, who are laying down their lives for the lives of patients.

                    He told me that a pensioner is already ... Where is the truth? request
                  4. depressant
                    depressant April 19 2020 01: 18 New
                    -1
                    A Tank Hard colleague, the truth is that we have a lot of working retirees. Just in time for retirement, the doctor gains the necessary experience and becomes a valuable specialist. And the medical institution is good, and to retirement benefits.
                  5. Tank hard
                    Tank hard April 19 2020 09: 57 New
                    0
                    Quote: depressant
                    A Tank Hard colleague, the truth is that we have a lot of working retirees. Just in time for retirement, the doctor gains the necessary experience and becomes a valuable specialist. And the medical institution is good, and to retirement benefits.

                    And all this about him, about Sylvester! Straight captain - America. However, until I see it myself, I reserve the right not to believe you ... request
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              3. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine April 19 2020 08: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: depressant
                Insulting Dr. Sylvester, you insult all forum users.

                I support Dr. Silver. My respect to him.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 18 2020 19: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: primaala
          Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

          You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.
          1. primaala
            primaala April 18 2020 19: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: primaala
            Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

            You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.

            A child under 5 years old forms his subconscious and worldview.
            The rest ... 95% is accounted for - what I read, what I saw, and how I UNDERSTAND the situation situation.
            I think ... you are biased towards me. To my perception and understanding of what is happening.
            Я ленюсь излагать "точности" аналитики происходящего. В силу УВАЖЕНИЯ сильных мира сегО - мужчин. Мне и в голову не придет, оспаривать Ваше мнение. А знаете почему!? Научилась читать между строк. НАБЛЮДАТЕЛЬНАЯ.
            And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.
            1. depressant
              depressant April 18 2020 20: 05 New
              +8
              Dear Primaalla, we all cheer for Russia here, each in our own way, there are no enemies. We see the situation in different ways, but we agree on one thing: the virus is dangerous because of its abnormal contagion, it causes serious complications - even those who carry it on their feet and, while sneezing, do not suspect what they are sick with. Therefore, we eagerly seek information about him. Let everyone speak out! But what do we know, besides conflicting information from the Internet? First-hand data is very important.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 18 2020 23: 01 New
                -6
                Quote: depressant
                Dear Primaalla, we all cheer for Russia here, each in our own way, there are no enemies.

                For an adult, what you wrote is somewhat naive, in my opinion ... request
              2. depressant
                depressant April 19 2020 01: 28 New
                +6
                You want to say that a friendly attitude towards compatriots is naivety? You see, what’s the matter, I really, unlike many, do not see enemies in any of the visitors to the VO forums. It is unlikely that you, having thought well, will point to someone. Russian people have enemies. They don’t go here.
              3. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 19 2020 09: 52 New
                -1
                Quote: depressant
                You want to say that a friendly attitude towards compatriots is naivety?

                Here, not all are compatriots, and not all compatriots are with good.
                Quote: depressant
                You see, what’s the matter, I really, unlike many, do not see enemies in any of the visitors to the VO forums

                This is your right, but your answer only confirmed my opinion.
                Quote: depressant
                Russian people have enemies. They don’t go here.

                A masterpiece, just to tears! laughing
        4. Tank hard
          Tank hard April 18 2020 23: 00 New
          0
          Quote: primaala
          And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.

          Rarity is now on the forums, it is generally accepted to scold the country. hi
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 19: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: tihonmarine
        You are just a child

        lol
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. primaala
          primaala April 18 2020 20: 11 New
          +6
          Laughing in a voice ...))) to tears ...))
    2. Digital error
      Digital error April 18 2020 23: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: primaala
      YOU are easy to calculate

      Приехал 30-го марта из-за рубежа. В аэропорту прилета анализ не брали, только анкету (хотя "роспотребнадзоровцев" и "прочих проверяющих" было с виду больше, чем вышедших из самолета). В обсерватор не поместили (был к этому готов, более того - жаждал во избежание косых взглядов по прибытии в место постоянной дислокации). Далее - такси (никто пропуск не просил), далее - ж/д вокзал (никто анализ не брал), далее сутки в купе (исключительно благодаря моей сознательности, в плацкарте дешевле было), далее город проживания (никто по прибытии анализ не брал), далее 14-дневный домашний карантин (сообщил о себе на горячую линию добровольно в первые полчаса после прибытия, но никто анализ не брал, хотя за время карантина просил об этом дважды и даже был готов заплатить). В итоге - не заболел (пока. может потому, что носил в кармане распылитель со спиртом и сидел в маске в аэропортах/самолетах/такси/поездах? хотя нет, просто повезло конечно).
      But, if someone from the environment suddenly gets sick - I have no doubt, I will be betrayed in such an anathema that I will not wash myself.
      Well, figure out me, a low social responsibility, according to IP and bring to a fair people's court, I earned it most certainly hi
      1. bars876
        bars876 April 19 2020 05: 03 New
        +2
        I flew in from Ty on March 10 and also didn’t get into any kind of self-isolation at all, but after 12 days I was ill than the tamper at 40, but it quickly passed, but I still got it, so think about what you were sick with? And yes, I didn’t take any tests or tests, even though I asked, they only prescribed cough tablets)))
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 18 2020 18: 49 New
    +9
    Quote: Silvestr

    problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.

    According to statistics provided by the USA, the number of tests per capita in the USA and in Russia is almost the same ... but there were attempts by the muhlezh with statistics on deaths ...
  • svp67
    svp67 April 18 2020 18: 54 New
    +7
    Quote: Silvestr
    problems with tests

    Alas, but not the topic. If we have a problem with the tests, then the percentage of deaths will be higher, since it will be taken from a lower number of cases
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 18 2020 18: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      If we have a problem with the tests, then the percentage of deaths will be higher, since it will be taken from a lower number of cases

      subject to setting the correct cipher after autopsy
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 18 2020 19: 03 New
        12
        Quote: Silvestr
        subject to setting the correct cipher after autopsy

        There’s not much to mess with. Here, a person died yesterday, he didn’t pass as a patient with a coronovirus, but when establishing the causes of death a verdict was issued - coronavirus ... it could be hidden as easily as possible, but they didn’t do it
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 18 2020 20: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: svp67
          You’re not going to be bad there.

          спокойно. Патанатомическое отделение структурно входит в состав больницы. Главный врач подписывает все финансовые документы отделения. Как бывший администратор уверяю, что можно поставить любой приемлимый диагноз. Впрочем, это происходит везде и каждый день. Зачем, например, портить статистику по ущемленной грыже или спаечной кишечной непроходимости? За это ругают. Ставим диагноз "Острое нарушение мезентериального кровообращения с некрозом кишки". Все совпадает: операция, некроз кишки подтверждается гистологически. Можно также подменить стекла- взять из архива. Можно найти ИБС и запустить смерть от острой коронарной недостаточности ( а у кого ее не бывает). Недостаточность есть, инфаркта - нет. Гистологически недоказуемо, а операцию или пневмонию опустить в сопутствующую патологию. В итоге человек умер совсем от другого и все довольны. Вкратце так..
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 April 19 2020 14: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            . Зачем, например, портить статистику по ущемленной грыже или спаечной кишечной непроходимости? За это ругают. Ставим диагноз "Острое нарушение мезентериального кровообращения с некрозом кишки". Все совпадает:

            Doctors, I see, are generally holy people. Fighting at the forefront and all that. I would like to supplement. You can also pickle a person in the emergency room for several hours, after which the person dies. You can not miss a car with a seriously ill patient to the hospital - a head physician visa is required. And try not to miss the ambulance. You can also forget to remove the drainage system for a week after surgery on appendicitis. This is from personal experience.
  • bk316
    bk316 April 18 2020 19: 46 New
    12
    catch up

    Let's bet that we will not catch up. I am a mathematician. You are a doctor, we will assume that both are not bad. laughing
    So we find out who the best forecasts are given by mathematicians or doctors.
    In continuous testing, which is in the USA,

    There is no continuous testing in the USA. Look at the number of tests for the number of cases - we have much more. So we have less stringent testing rules.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 18 2020 19: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: bk316
      Look at the number of tests for the number of cases

      Russia has 1.800.000 (officially) tests for 35.000 official cases.
      Кому и как сделаны 1.765.000 тестов "впустую"?.У кого еще такое расхождение между выявленными больными и сделанными тестами? Сколько стоит каждый тест государству и каким фирмам идут эти деньги? Чем обьясняется такая низкая эффективность тестов?
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 18 2020 20: 17 New
        15
        Кому и как сделаны 1.765.000 тестов "впустую"?

        You really don’t know?
        Now the test is done to anyone over 65 if he has signs of SARS
        The test is done to anyone with symptoms of SARS if contact with the sick was possible.
        The last 2 weeks before the flight closure, tests were done for everyone who flew in from Europe.
        Tests are done every day to doctors who work with infected people.
        Finally, blind testing began to determine the number of asymptomatic carriers.
        THIS IS A COMPLETE TEST. IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
        And many are tested only with serious suspicions of the crown (USA for example), and this is where the discrepancies come from.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 18 2020 20: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: bk316
          Tests are done every day to doctors who work with infected people.

          Does order 198n regulate this way?
          Quote: bk316
          IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

          in life everything is different. To do this, just pass the test
          1. bk316
            bk316 April 18 2020 20: 56 New
            +8
            Does order 198n regulate this way?

            The order itself does not regulate the frequency of tests, as far as I know
            The order is already out of date, read 246н laughing Or maybe it's already out of date.
            Up to 15 were done once a week, more precisely in 6 days.
            Now in Moscow in FMBA once a day. Maybe a private initiative. Or maybe after the words of Denis decided to participate laughing
            I’ll write something to you in PM, but not for public.
        2. Liam
          Liam April 18 2020 20: 38 New
          -6
          You live in some kind of world
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 11: 45 New
            -1
            Quote: Liam
            You live in some kind of world

            No, our country is different. So far, they are going to hospitals on suspicion of a disease, and not upon the fact of payment of $ 70 thousand, as in the United States.
        3. Liam
          Liam April 18 2020 20: 44 New
          -5
          Quote: bk316
          THIS IS A COMPLETE TEST. IT IN RUSSIA IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD

          Tell the Ministry of Health
          https://medvestnik.ru/content/news/Departament-zdravoohraneniya-Moskvy-podtverdil-nizkuu-tochnost-testov-na-koronavirus.html
          Выбросили на помойку ваши "высокоточные" тесты и перешли на дедовские методы по клинической картине.
        4. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 20: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: bk316
          Now the test is done to anyone over 65 if he has signs of SARS

          Sorry, but this is a lie. My dad got sick about 2,5 weeks ago. Temperature, etc. He was admitted to the hospital only when the symptoms of acute respiratory viral infections have passed, and for a completely different reason. No tests were done to him.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 18 2020 20: 54 New
            -1
            It’s useless. Now you explain what it is ...somewhere high in the mountains and not in our area
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 20: 57 New
              +8
              Quote: Liam
              somewhere high in the mountains and not in our area

              Life beyond the MKAD is somewhat different. request
              1. Liam
                Liam April 18 2020 21: 01 New
                -3
                In this case, not everything is cloudless inside the Moscow Ring Road either. The Moscow Department of Medicine was the first to allow 10 days ago to diagnose and treat without tests because of their small size and low reliability. Such an extreme step is not taken from a good life.
              2. bk316
                bk316 April 18 2020 21: 26 New
                +4
                Someone specifically sawed on these tests

                You are a miserable troll - IN IGNOR Well, actually your rating speaks about this.
        5. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 21: 25 New
          +5
          Sorry, but this is a lie.

          That I wrote lies where the tests go.
          I had a bunch of elderly friends at the first treatment took the test.
          In Moscow and the region.
          If you don’t do it, it’s just that there are no tests, the topic was where they are doing it.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 21: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: bk316
            I had a bunch of elderly friends at the first treatment took the test.
            In Moscow and the region.

            I write:
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Life beyond the MKAD is somewhat different.

            In general, I do not know a single person who would have done the test.
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 18 2020 21: 51 New
              +6
              In general, I do not know a single person who would have done the test.

              And I know more than a dozen. Do not worry, tests will reach you. After all, we were the first to catch the infection.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 21: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: bk316
              Do not worry, tests will reach you.

              And I don’t worry. As I coughed a month ago, I sneeze constantly, because I work in the open air both in rain and snow. Literally 3 minutes ago I asked my sister on the Internet about the tests (she’s a doctor), I’ll wait for him to answer.
            3. bk316
              bk316 April 21 2020 12: 31 New
              +4
              And I don’t worry. As I coughed a month ago, I sneeze constantly, because I work in the open air both in rain and snow.

              Keep it up! But unfortunately I had 4 pneumonia, I better watch out ....
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth April 18 2020 20: 43 New
    +8
    Quote: Liam
    What explains such a low efficiency of tests?

    В Рязанской ОКБ сделана экстренная операция, по слухам "понаехавшиму" в Рязань "туристу".
    The test is done. Positive. As a result, in quarantine, 1 department is therapeutic, two are surgical. Scheduled operations canceled.
    Вопрос-сколько будет сделано "тестов в пустую" ? Дай Бог, чтобы "пустых" тестов было много!
    1. Liam
      Liam April 18 2020 20: 57 New
      -3
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Question

      Answer: If there are so many tests on paper and almost all of them are wasted, why do they not do them in the Ryazan Design Bureau before the operation, so that there would be no quarantine for everyone.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth April 18 2020 21: 00 New
        -1
        Quote: Liam
        why ...

        The question is not for me. There were reasons, I guess.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 18 2020 21: 03 New
          -4
          Quote: Was Mammoth
          Quote: Liam
          why ...

          The question is not for me. There were reasons, I guess.

          The reason is one-no tests.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth April 18 2020 21: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Liam
            The reason is one-no tests.

            By eye, doctors probably determine that he is sick, but he is not. wink
          2. Liam
            Liam April 18 2020 21: 16 New
            0
            Not by eye. They look at the temperature, cough, do a tomography of the lungs. Only in the early stages there are no special signs, there are a lot of asymptomatic plumes that have nothing at all, but they carry the virus in themselves and infect others. And without tests they cannot be calculated
          3. Digital error
            Digital error April 19 2020 09: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Liam
            lung tomography done

            And in the outback - the pulse is measured. They tell you - beyond MKAD a slightly different life ...
          4. Liam
            Liam April 19 2020 09: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: DigitalError
            beyond MKAD a slightly different life ...

            I am in the know. Comrade bk316 explain it, he lives in his own separate world of multi-million dollar high-performance tests with 40% confidence
          5. Digital error
            Digital error April 19 2020 09: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Liam
            he is in his own separate world

            well, let it live, while we still have freedom of religion laughing
            both you and he have the right to believe in anything, isn't it? smile
          6. Oyo Sarkazmi
            Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 11: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Liam
            multi-million high-performance tests with 40% confidence

            If you feel bad about this life, hang yourself.
            The daughter-in-law works in greenhouses. One morning, one employee sneezed. Checked everyone. They didn’t find anything. The greenhouse is working.
            Now they began to take an analysis of antibodies. 45% of the verified ones already have it. And this year they were not sick.
            Yes, and mortality ... In the world in a month 5 million people die. 5 million per month. Against this background, mortality from coronavirus is noise fluctuation. Therefore, they did not notice the epidemic last year. Only the Chinese got to the bottom of the reason.
  • bk316
    bk316 April 18 2020 21: 27 New
    +7
    Вопрос-сколько будет сделано "тестов в пустую"

    Do not feed the troll. Everyone has already written to him. Not once, including me.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 19 2020 09: 18 New
      0
      Quote: bk316
      Wrote

      Great writer)
      The proportion of confirmation of positive tests for a new type of coronavirus after a second check at reference centers in Moscow increased to 77%, TASS reports with reference to the operational headquarters.


      Before the diagnosis at re-examination was confirmed only in 40% of cases, now this figure is 77%, noted at headquarters

      40% is worse than tossing a coin. There's at least 50/50
  • Zaits
    Zaits April 18 2020 22: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    So we find out who the best forecasts are given by mathematicians or doctors.


    I put on the math. 2 to 1.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 21: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    catch up

    странно, что вас "коронник" ещё не догнал!!! what
    Quote: Silvestr
    problem with tests. With continuous testing, which is in the US, the incidence is real.

    странные вы...уже все видят, какая там никчемная медицины, но всё талдычите про "всё плохое в России"!!! wassat lol
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 11: 32 New
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    In continuous testing, which is in the USA,

    Gee gee gee! The Americans have no tests at all. Only Chinese.
    In addition, this coronavirus is sufficient to treat according to symptoms in order to reduce mortality at times. The qualifications of American and European doctors at the grassroots level were lower than the plinth. Paracetamol is all. Moreover, the complete inaccessibility of drugs on the free market. In Russia and the CIS, you can buy a whole range of medicines, from heavy antibiotics to daily vitamins, you can buy in a pharmacy without a prescription. And in Estonia they won’t even do an x-ray without a doctor’s recommendation. Not to mention tomography.
  • mole
    mole April 18 2020 19: 07 New
    +2
    "Есть ещё четвертый пункт..."
    I bow that there is a fifth.
    Called statistics. It is not beneficial for anyone to undermine the situation.
    In terms of the number of cases, we follow a hyperbole; in terms of the number of cases infected, we follow a linear path.
    How so? I hope that I’m not catching up with something.
    1. Artyom1979
      Artyom1979 April 18 2020 19: 35 New
      +6
      When will there be statistics on mortality in Russia by month, and it will be. It can be compared with previous years and then it will be seen how much mortality has increased, most of the increase will be in the coronovirus.
      1. Digital error
        Digital error April 19 2020 09: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Artyom1979
        most of the increase will come from coronovirus

        Сомневаюсь. В 2018 году от одной только обычной пневмонии умерло порядка 20000 человек. Это сравнительно много. А вот увеличение смертности от отравления алкоголем можно прогнозировать уже сейчас - где вводили запреты, там пили суррогаты, а где не вводили - там пили "от нечего делать на изоляции"...
    2. bk316
      bk316 April 18 2020 19: 48 New
      12
      In terms of the number of cases, we follow a hyperbole; in terms of the number of cases infected, we follow a linear path.

      Definitely not catching up. Both statements are incorrect. And on this and on another we go along the sigmoid.
      1. mole
        mole April 18 2020 20: 10 New
        +3
        You're right. I admit a mistake.
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 20: 21 New
          +7
          You're right. I admit a mistake

          Do not worry Leonid laughing
          There, the math is actually even more complicated.
          Here we have in a closed forum SO SUCH BATTLES belay We are swearing for DFM matmodels, I'm afraid to write.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 18 2020 20: 21 New
    +5
    There is a suggestion that we had an epidemic in the winter. But then she went unnoticed. I have several acquaintances in different cities who have been seriously ill with an unknown ailment. And the statistics there is an increase in pneumonia in the winter.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 19 2020 11: 17 New
    +1
    We still have BCG vaccine against tuberculosis, which seems to help in the fight against coronavirus. The number of severe patients is reduced.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 April 18 2020 18: 16 New
    +6
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
    2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
    3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

    Or the epidemic has not really begun.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 18 2020 19: 50 New
      +3
      Or the epidemic has not really begun.

      It is there that our mortality rate will increase in the USA and fall.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: ZAV69
      Or the epidemic has not really begun.

      Or long gone. Unnoticed. When tested for antibodies, 45% of those tested are already immune to coronavirus.
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 18 2020 18: 23 New
    -4
    2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome

    Everything is more banal .. we still do not have everyone diagnosed with coronavirus .. they didn’t learn to determine the roofing felts, the roofing felts are not the same .. But the essence was very correctly stated by Maxim Shevchenko, who was ill himself .. and this is what he says:
    1. depressant
      depressant April 18 2020 19: 03 New
      -1
      The video is long, I listened to it all. Svarog, thanks! So on time I ran away from the hospital. On the evening of March 16, an announcement was posted stating that the hospital was in quarantine from 17, and it seemed like I was bothered by something else in the afternoon, before the announcement: I have to leave! She asked the doctor the next day to let me go, on the morning of the 17th she received some kind of analysis paper and was like that. I can imagine what hell is there, though not an infectious ward - it was non-infectious. I have no doubt, it has become infectious - Moscow is nearby.
      1. Prjanik
        Prjanik April 18 2020 19: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: depressant
        So on time I ran away from the hospital.
        I always recommend a hospital only as a last resort, to catch any infection is easiest in hospitals / hospitals, especially in the midst of epidemics.
      2. bk316
        bk316 April 18 2020 20: 00 New
        +7
        started on time I ran away from the hospital.

        HAVE YOU SIT IN A HOSPITAL during an epidemic without significant need?
        And to understand that it is dangerous and unreasonably risky, you had to watch videos?
        How everything is started ......
        1. depressant
          depressant April 18 2020 20: 37 New
          +3
          bk 316 ... Without substantial need? )))
          Не дай Господь кому-либо пережить то, через что я прошла: непрерывное катастрофическое головокружение, непрерывная рвота водой -- из организма, а не выпитая, затем рвота желчью и все -- на постель( началось, едва проснулась, открыла глаза), затем на приехавшего врача скорой, на его кардиографические приборы, затем на пол в скорой, затем -- на каталку (помню, как мужичок, который меня вез, беззлобно выразился: "Вот, !"), затем --на лежанку МРТ (врачи растерялись -- такого у них никогда не было, стали искать, чем замыть), затем-- на рентгеновскую стенку, потом мне выдали персональный тазик, с которым я не расставалась до конца, и непрерывное, жуткое головокружение при малейшей попытке изменить положение тела на кровати. Два дня я вообще не ела, а вода вызывала неудержимую рвоту. Капельницы и лекарства. Кое-как выжила. А выжив, шатаясь забегала по коридору, я же не могу не двигаться -- как акула. А затем, по прежнему шатаясь из стороны в сторону, то есть с сильно нарушенной координацией, прошла километр до автостанции и наконец попала в свой поселок. А шатает меня до сих пор. И едва голову на подушку --жду, когда "откружит". Вот такое было со мной "веселье" )))
          А Вы говорите... Да врач скорой просто скомандовал: "Собирайтесь!" А что собираться? Натянула плащ, сунула ноги в туфли... В больнице добросердечный персонал выдал мне ложку, чашку и полотенце. Вот такой был цирк)))
          1. bk316
            bk316 April 18 2020 21: 32 New
            +4
            And you say ...

            If the doctor let go, then you will not die.
            And you can go to the hospital only as a last resort.
            Forget the crown. Have you heard anything about hospital infections - the term is so medical. Come with poison, leave without legs sad or without a lung go to the morgue.
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 18 2020 21: 52 New
              +5
              go to the morgue.

              I apologize OR to the morgue.
              1. depressant
                depressant April 18 2020 23: 29 New
                +2
                Never mind! love
                You know, I’m learning to enjoy life again))
                Here the whole village here is busy doing the same: at first everyone fumbled around shopping with heavy bags, then, stuffing rich bins, put on masks, now there are no masks on anyone, everyone has funny faces, skinny bags, and now outside the window, on playground, explosions of youth laughter. In general, Trump and his coronavirus suffering and exploits, his statistics - genuine or fictitious - do not give a damn to everyone. And this is amazing. Local statistics on the urban district (the districts are now called) on the virus we have is bad. But whether there are patients in the village is not known. In any case, the virus mysteriously played the role of a psychotherapist. The gloom of the last year gave way to signs of life.
    2. demo
      demo April 18 2020 19: 15 New
      +7
      Maxim - you are a creative woodpecker !!!!
      I felt a chill two weeks ago from the evening. The night was terrible.
      In the morning, the wife called an ambulance.
      After 10 minutes, the brigade arrived.
      They made a cardiogram. They measured the pressure. They listened to the lungs.
      Summary - to the hospital.
      My wife surprisingly calmly and quickly collected all the necessary things (rejoiced?).
      We arrived at the city hospital.
      Two visitors - me and another man.
      Donated blood.
      They did an x-ray.
      Once again the therapist.
      Do you want to be hospitalized?
      Me not.
      Sign up.
      Signed.
      Is free.
      Taxi and home.

      You drop this terrible city and move to the province.
      And everything will be fine with you.
      And then he told the horrors.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 April 18 2020 20: 23 New
        +4
        Demo, was your wife happy?
        1. demo
          demo April 23 2020 12: 51 New
          +1
          Seems Yes. And there, who will understand their women? fool
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 18 2020 19: 25 New
      +3
      Visited doubts about the statistics with us, completely dissipated. Maxim will recover faster and get back to work!
    4. bk316
      bk316 April 18 2020 19: 56 New
      +9
      whether they didn’t learn to determine, the tests are not the same.

      Tolley is a roofing felts but it cannot be what would be worse for THEM than ours. Here it is the boundless sectarian faith of the fighters.

      If our tests are less reliable than in the USA, we have EXCEEDED mortality rates and not underestimated ones.

      BUT take it easy don't worry we are not so good.
      Our mortality rate will increase them not so much.
      This is always the case with epidemics.
      1. Liam
        Liam April 18 2020 20: 00 New
        -11
        Quote: bk316

        If our tests are less reliable than in the USA, we have EXCEEDED mortality rates and not underestimated

        How interesting. How many people have died without an official diagnosis of Covid due to the fact that the tests are unreliable, which the Ministry of Health also recognized?
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 20: 23 New
          +6
          How many people have died without an official diagnosis of Covid due to the fact that the tests are unreliable

          Statistically non-zero - NULL
          And the Ministry of Health did not recognize anything like that. This is an interpretation of suckers.
          All tests have a false negative probability and oddly false positive. For each test, it is declared. And these are the ranges.
          You are not supposed to know about this. You are not special.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 08 New
        0
        Quote: bk316
        If our tests are less reliable than in the USA

        In the USA, the first thing they do in a hospital is not to do a test, but to examine their credit history. There is no likelihood of paying 70 thousand per week - a kick in the ass, die.
        Even the ambulance will not come if the insurance is not at the right level. That's why wild mortality.
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 18 2020 18: 31 New
    -11
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world

    значит Путин был не прав, заявив что в медицине России "катастрофа" laughing
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

    guessed it.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 18 2020 18: 56 New
      +8
      Quote: Silvestr
      3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

      guessed it.

      As if hiding data did not turn into postscripts.
      Regions were instructed not to underestimate infection statistics. Help from Moscow will depend on the number of patients. Initially, "the de facto government generally asked for underestimation, that is, to make reliable verification of the diseased." In other words, report only on those cases that have been confirmed by two or more tests with positive results. As a result, actual morbidity statistics in some regions began to diverge markedly from the official.
      “Now there is no reason to underestimate statistics, and even vice versa. Now there is financial motivation - to reflect everything as it is. So, the installation has also changed automatically. Additional money for subsidized regions is a significant enough increase. ” Officials from two regions of the Siberian and Central districts said that the amount of assistance from the federal center is already beginning to be calculated based on the number of patients: in accordance with it, money is allocated to create additional beds in regional clinics. The cost of creating, equipping and maintaining one bed can reach 1 million rubles. The approach to fixing the dead has also begun to change. Interlocutors in two regions close to regional administrations said that not only patients who died due to pneumonia but also died for other reasons began to get into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus: from exacerbation of chronic diseases, hypertension, heart, kidney failure, etc.https://openmedia.io/news/n3/regiony-poluchili-ustanovku-ne-zanizhat-statistiku-zarazheniya-pomoshh-iz-moskvy-budet-zaviset-ot-chisla-bolnyx/
      1. Mimoprohodil
        Mimoprohodil April 18 2020 20: 47 New
        -4
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        not only patients who died due to pneumonia but also died for other reasons began to fall into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus: from exacerbation of chronic diseases, hypertension, heart, kidney failure, etc.
        And why did their chronic diseases worsen? From the coronavirus that infected their lungs.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 18 2020 19: 00 New
      +9
      Quote: Silvestr
      guessed it.

      Do you know at least one case when doctors had to choose which patient to give IVS?
      What according to the American. Spanish or Italian paramedics were quite common ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 18 2020 22: 38 New
        -3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

        guessed

        Quote: Spade
        Do you know at least one case when doctors had to choose which patient to give IVS?

        Silence was their answer (s). What is characteristic it’s not the first time already ...

        Ah, Sylvester, Sylvester request negative stop
    3. Pavel57
      Pavel57 April 18 2020 20: 25 New
      -1
      Moved to a complete disaster of medicine. Maybe they slowed down now.
  • Prjanik
    Prjanik April 18 2020 18: 48 New
    +7
    There are 3 possible explanations:
    But the explanation that the real mortality from the virus is less and in Russia just made more tests than others, do not you consider? What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 18 2020 19: 01 New
      -3
      Quote: Prjanik
      Russia just did more tests than others

      who told you that? We are in second place
      1. Prjanik
        Prjanik April 18 2020 19: 04 New
        10
        who told you that? We are in second place
        I know this very well, there are statistics on tests. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ By the way, tests per million people. more than in the USA.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 18 2020 19: 03 New
      -5
      Quote: Prjanik
      What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?

      And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.
      1. Prjanik
        Prjanik April 18 2020 19: 09 New
        +9
        And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.
        Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 18 2020 19: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr
        New Year day

        Sylvester!! Truth, truth in the studio. And not about your difficulties (I believe and sympathize. But believe me and you - this is far from interesting to everyone) - but about a sore yes

        You say that they lie on a box (I believe) - so trim the truth as it is! We will elect you as president ... that's real.

        Try not to be an agitator at least once wink
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          so trim the truth as it is!

          Unfortunately, he does not listen to anything other than the Echo of Moscow and CienNan. There is crystal truth. About hackers who crack American brains and prevent you from choosing both a good president and getting qualified treatment.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 19 2020 12: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Oo sarcasm
            Unfortunately, he does not listen to anything except the Echo of Moscow and CienNan

            He somehow did not bother to cut the truth.

            Well, that means that we won't elect him as president.
            1. Oyo Sarkazmi
              Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 22 New
              +1
              Well, in the presidency of Estonia - you can. Hackers have to say.
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 19: 21 New
        +5
        However, even 2% are not globally scary numbers. In common flu, in my opinion, 1-2% mortality. hi
        P. S. You probably have a park at work now?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 18 2020 19: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          However, even 2% are not globally scary numbers

          You can do it when you want. Briefly, and in the case. A plus request
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 19: 54 New
            +6
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Plus

            Plus you cast a shadow on my reputation! bully although on the other hand, I drank your tequila .... laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 18 2020 19: 56 New
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Plus you cast a shadow on my reputation!

              And I’ll bite your, ahem, reputation tongue
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 20: 04 New
          +7
          I have a 1-2% mortality rate for common flu hi

          0,1% at maximum 10 times MISTAKED
          But this is in countries such as the United States and in the Russian Federation 10 times less.
          Guess why?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 20: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: bk316
            0,1%

            Go to the WHO website. hi
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 18 2020 21: 46 New
              +4
              Go to the WHO website.

              I have been going there for decades.
              Is this enough or is the original to be looked for?
              https://ria.ru/20200311/1568453636.html
            2. Mimoprohodil
              Mimoprohodil April 18 2020 21: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: bk316
              0,1%

              Go to the WHO website. hi
              Go to the CDC sites in the USA and Europe, 0.1% is real and there is https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html And WHO better considers influenza patients in China, India and other densely populated countries
            3. Oyo Sarkazmi
              Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Go to the WHO website

              Tram said - WHO is lying. So it's true.
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 21: 06 New
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Prjanik
        What about Singapore with a mortality rate of 0,19%?

        And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.

        oooooooooooooo, the great infectious disease specialist showed up !!! but how do you like it in Ukraine, where they conducted 6 thousand tests and revealed 3 thousand patients ?? !!! wassat
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 18 2020 19: 35 New
      +9
      Quote: Prjanik
      But the explanation that the real mortality from the virus is less and in Russia just made more tests than others, do not you consider?

      Everything is easier.
      It's not just the number of cases.
      The thing is the pace with which they appear.

      Imagine a hundred-bed super hospital. Perfectly secured, with super professionals on staff.
      And now patients are starting to take them ... If the pace does not exceed the capacity of the hospital, then they have practically no mortality.
      And if there are so many sick people that the hospital cannot cope ... the outcome is high mortality.

      И эта смертность ну никак не связана с качеством здравоохранения. Это связано со способностью государства и населения "растянуть" эту кривую темпа заболеваемости

      Below we wrote about Germany and Singapore with a rather low mortality rate. It seems to me that this is a direct result of the discipline of the population
      1. mole
        mole April 18 2020 19: 52 New
        +5
        Another factor: the possibility of obtaining insurance. This topic was voiced in Italy. An elderly person who has died of old age or another disease associated with old age is recorded by the doctor in the category of deceased from Cowid19. Certainly not so simple. After the body is burned, the insurance company will prove nothing. But since there is a doctor’s opinion, they are obliged to pay insurance.
      2. Prjanik
        Prjanik April 18 2020 20: 49 New
        +3
        That's right, the organization of treating patients and the burden on the healthcare system play a huge role. That is why such mortality in Italy: they plagued the beginning of the epidemic, in the absence of infectious diseases hospitals and specialists, as a result, they dumped everyone in a row, people from each other became infected with everything in the world. Moreover, they say that there are many old people there, many sitting on antibiotics with weakened immunity, and, as Mole says, the mafia, for example, it is beneficial to attribute all deaths to the coronavirus there.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov April 18 2020 18: 54 New
    +8
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
    2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
    3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

    4. Отсутствие "скрепной" хромосомы у некоторых. Из-за чего их интеллект ограничен. и потому для них нормально сравнивать тёплое с мягким
  • svp67
    svp67 April 18 2020 18: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.

    And in the USA - the mortality rate: 5.23%. But in all of these countries the epidemic is already undergoing a stabilization stage, and we are still on the upward and those who increase our percentage are already sick or are now infected, but still alive ..
  • ultra
    ultra April 18 2020 19: 20 New
    +1
    This is delusional statistics, there are daily data on Russia, for 27 thousand patients, we officially had in the region of 170-180 dead. Before you spread anything, at least you bother to look at the official numbers.
  • MA3UTA
    MA3UTA April 18 2020 19: 27 New
    +5
    Isn't that a juggling thing?
    Forbes wrote about the average 4.5 percent mortality from covid in the world

    Moldova Actual data.
    2378
    sick
    57
    the dead

    Ukraine
    Confirmed
    5 106
    Lethal outcomes
    133

    How many percent.?

    Is it also a staple, or is Putin forced?

    Or maybe the reason is that in the former Soviet republics, infectious diseases departments and specialized infectious hospitals have remained in hospitals, while in the USA and Europe all are infected in the stream of ordinary patients? About this interview with Western doctors.
    1. Kathernik
      Kathernik April 18 2020 21: 03 New
      +1
      “You think wrong.” It is necessary to compare the number of people who did not get sick, but those who recovered with the amount that did not recover. And you will have more real numbers. This is about 9%.
      1. MA3UTA
        MA3UTA April 19 2020 02: 35 New
        +1
        I didn’t count anything. And for you, too, have already been counted.
        Scientists at the University of Hong Kong calculated that in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, the probable mortality rate was 1,4%, which is much lower than the previous estimate of 4,5%, calculated using official statistics on cases and deaths. In the UK, testing is carried out only in people with pronounced symptoms of coronavirus - and from official data it follows that the mortality rate is 6,2% (with 19 758 identified cases and 1231 dead)

        https://www.forbes.ru/obshchestvo/396459-tayna-covid-19-pochemu-uroven-smertnosti-ot-koronavirusa-ostaetsya-zagadkoy
        1. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil April 19 2020 09: 56 New
          0
          30.03.2020/22/45 XNUMX:XNUMX would you still bring the ancient writings
          Quote: MA3UTA
          Scientists at the University of Hong Kong calculated that in Wuhan, where the pandemic began, the likely mortality rate was 1,4%, which is much lower than the previous estimate of 4,5%
          The Chinese recently counted an additional 1300 dead in Wuhan and the mortality rate is 6%
          1. MA3UTA
            MA3UTA April 19 2020 11: 58 New
            +1
            Your writings will remain so. Without links.
            One writes real 9%, the other declares 6%, in a beautiful picture 6.7
            Are there any facts? Find fresh ones.
    2. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      It's right. The developed infectious disease service of China has made it possible for the billion people to dispense with the thousands of dead.
  • gsev
    gsev April 18 2020 19: 36 New
    -7
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close.

    In Russia, mortality is about 10%. Moreover, the growth rate of patients so far is the highest in the world: 15% of the number of patients per day. Unfortunately, it is difficult to speak with optimism about the prospects of victory over the coronavirus looking at the statistics. Additional measures required. If the pace does not change in Russia in a month there will be 2 million patients. Medicine then simply dies from the coronavirus. In the US, 10 times more get sick per day. But it seems that this number is starting to decline. US medicine was able to withstand so many patients. It is hoped that with recovery and a decrease in the number of sick, mortality will begin to decline in the United States. In my opinion, Trump's assessment is too optimistic, but let's hope that the new drugs and US medicine will make his assessment close to the truth.
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 12: 20 New
      0
      Quote: gsev
      In Russia, mortality is about 10%

      No, 1000%. Just the majority of the dead do not know that they are dead.
  • bk316
    bk316 April 18 2020 20: 29 New
    +7
    Where to them to Russia: Where to them to Russia:

    Again, two horseradish did not understand, but writing.
    Do you understand the DIFFERENCE between sick and sick?
    This is a question for Mikhail.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 18 2020 20: 32 New
    -6
    Where are they to Russia:


    Calm down, don’t look for statistics in Russia for fraud, we just started a pandemic later, but now we are adding 20% ​​per day, at the rate by the beginning of the summer all 147 million people will get sick. And the dead will also be quite a few.
  • LifeIsGood
    LifeIsGood April 19 2020 03: 00 New
    +2
    Yes, yes it’s all a conspiracy of the government of Kiselev, Medvedev and Putin, who on a dark-dark night came up with an insidious plan to personally hide this information from YOU !!!!
    Try to look for a more logical explanation, otherwise you’re tired of this kind of nonsense ... Show your imagination at last ...
  • pru-pavel
    pru-pavel April 18 2020 18: 05 New
    +5
    Take the dead and divide by the sum of the recovered and the dead. Great mathematicians can be seen right away.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 18 2020 18: 18 New
      15
      All the same, it’s not clear. Doctors say about an incomprehensible outbreak of pneumonia and other similar diseases on the eve of the announced epidemic. But we did not go through it in extreme mode!
      Himself such, was ill at the end of December, but I am an old smoking room and I have exacerbations a year, a year later, although this year I had to pound! This has not happened before.
      So guess now, but what I was sick of.
      We have a specialized hospital, everyone with similar diseases is identified there. So there were no places there, so I had to be treated at home, since they did injections at the feldsher point, and this was next to the house. But still, I had to write a refusal. Now all the rules, just wondering how it pleased me ???
      There is a lot of incomprehensible with this virus, too much, bye !!!
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 18 2020 18: 35 New
        +9
        Quote: rocket757
        Himself such, was ill at the end of December,

        It is at the same time and exactly like you .. they say when it will be possible to test for antibodies, I’m waiting for where and when .. I want to check, or maybe it was a coronavirus .. because the cough was creepy and treated for a long time. .
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 18 2020 18: 48 New
          11
          Really, I exhausted my whole cough, I almost quit smoking .... now I dabble, in moderation, with the very, lightest ... grass, grass!
          Cough syrups from the ears started pouring out! I can’t see them anymore.
          Yes, and antibiotics injected some new, imported, expensive! It helped, however.
          Getting sick is becoming more expensive, that's a fact!
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 18 2020 19: 00 New
            +7
            Quote: rocket757
            Really, I exhausted my whole cough, I almost quit smoking .... now I dabble, in moderation, with the very, lightest ... grass, grass!

            I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks .. and then again, I thought about smoking a couple of cigarettes a day .. well, for some time it was, now it’s again at 16-18 a day ..
            Yes, and antibiotics injected some new, imported, expensive! It helped, however.

            They gave me five droppers ... and they also injected antibiotics, when it all started, I bought it myself, drank the course, but they didn’t help at all, everything just got worse .. then at night I woke up from the fact that I started to breathe badly, I ran fluorography in the morning, They didn’t find anything .. but, as Maxim Shevchenko says, CT should be done .. In short, he transferred the legs, worked at the same time, in the morning and evening for an injection of antibiotics .. and so for 6 days, the antibiotics were unbearable .. in one roll prick, the foot is taken away for five minutes .. shorter tin, then another month restored the intestines ..
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 18 2020 19: 18 New
              +5
              Сам не лечился, с этим у нас проще, своя мед сан часть. Все строго по предписанию. Но таблеток и сиропа оказалось мало, пришлось ехать "фотку" делать, а потом отправили в больницу! Первый больничный лет за десять! Сам не ожидал такого. Я хоть и курилка, но ещё крепкий "пенек", был!!!
              You should quit smoking, probably, and do hardening again, probably too.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 18 2020 19: 33 New
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                You should quit smoking, probably, and do hardening again, probably too.

                It’s necessary .. only I threw it 5 times, set the record for the last time, I didn’t smoke for 8 months .. But I have doubts that I’ll give up .. here the number of cigarettes needs to be reduced and this is generally not difficult, just from constant self-control of the nerves start to play pranks)) 10 cigarettes a day, such a quantity is generally given painlessly. We need to do self-control again .. hi
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 April 18 2020 19: 38 New
                  +4
                  Himself so. And he threw and started again. Half a pack a day ... such savings.
                  Before the disease, smoke took 6 or more pieces a month, now it’s much more modest .... painfully expensive drugs !!!
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 19: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks ..

              Wimps! laughing I’m not smoking for 16 years. Although the first 5 years I even dreamed.
              And the cough after this infection is really hard - I’m still dying. I have seasonal asthma.
            3. for
              for April 19 2020 00: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              I quit .. the truth lasted two weeks .. and then again, I thought about smoking a couple of cigarettes a day .. well, for some time it was, now it’s again at 16-18 a day.

              You have to choose one end, so you are not ripe to quit.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 18 2020 18: 37 New
        -9
        Quote: rocket757
        Doctors say about an incomprehensible outbreak of pneumonia and other similar diseases on the eve of the announced epidemic.

        why is it incomprehensible?
        "Лауреат Нобелевской премии 2008 года, французский вирусолог Люк Монтанье заявил, что коронавирус имеет лабораторное происхождение. По его словам, COVID-19 содержит в себе частицы ВИЧ.
        Информацию о заражении людей коронавирусом от диких животных Монтанье назвал красивой легендой, которая, однако, не имеет отношения к реальности. Вирус создан в уханьской лаборатории, сказал он в интервью французскому порталу Pourquoi Docteur."
        https://iz.ru/1001343/2020-04-17/nobelevskii-laureat-zaiavil-ob-iskusstvennom-proiskhozhdenii-koronavirusa?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
        And I believe him! Recent studies by morphologists suggest that there is no such pneumonia in the dead. request
        1. primaala
          primaala April 18 2020 18: 45 New
          +3
          Ваши аргументы, навевают на мысль...Вы "работник" за цент.
          Решил притупить бдительность!? "лейно" катая по ушам!? ну ну
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 18 2020 18: 46 New
            -3
            Quote: primaala
            Ваши аргументы, навевают на мысль...Вы "работник" за цент.
            Решил притупить бдительность!? "лейно" катая по ушам!? ну ну

            what are you talking about? Thoughts messed up?
            1. primaala
              primaala April 18 2020 18: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: primaala
              Ваши аргументы, навевают на мысль...Вы "работник" за цент.
              Решил притупить бдительность!? "лейно" катая по ушам!? ну ну

              what are you talking about? Thoughts messed up?

              This is NOT in your bundle to collect. Get ready !!! Give up the hill !!!
              Выж у нас "знаток(с)"
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 18 2020 19: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: Silvestr
          Вирус создан в уханьской лаборатории, сказал он в интервью французскому порталу Pourquoi Docteur."

          I wonder how much he earned on this?
        3. rocket757
          rocket757 April 18 2020 19: 07 New
          +5
          The more opinions, theories are expressed by different people, respected, including the more confusion in the heads!
          My father-in-law and a friend died of pneumonia. Rather, in-law pneumonia led to an injury, from which he died. This is a serious illness, if you do not have time to start treating it in time. So it was before, so it will be in the future, we will see.
          I have long been firmly established in the opinion that if humanity ends, we will do it ourselves!
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 18 2020 19: 08 New
          +5
          "французский вирусолог Люк Монтанье"////
          ----
          He is 87 years old. And everywhere he sees HIV, which he studied 40 years ago.
          The director of the American Central Institute of Infections said unequivocally:
          natural virus.
          Mutations were tracked a year ago. They are fully consistent
          natural transitions. And they tracked the transient mutation from animals to humans.
          1. kot423
            kot423 April 18 2020 19: 41 New
            -4
            Those. director's words - ultimate truth? Well - well ... I remember not so long ago that a whole star-striped CAM and its deputies broadcast that there were no casualties after the shelling ...
          2. Pereira
            Pereira April 18 2020 20: 54 New
            -2
            Let me guess. The Chinese are to blame. How many shekels do your compatriots want from China? What are the bets for tonight?
          3. Kathernik
            Kathernik April 18 2020 21: 08 New
            -2
            If the virus was from American laboratories, then I did not expect another. Of course, in order not to cast a shadow, they will now prove with foam at the mouth that it is of natural origin.
        5. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 20: 10 New
          +7
          According to him, COVID-19 contains HIV particles.

          Believe it?
          What directly did the PARTICLES say?
          Protons? neutrons? laughing
          Sylvester Are you definitely a doctor?
    2. Pereira
      Pereira April 18 2020 18: 18 New
      -2
      I see that you appreciated the simplicity and grace of the way to bring clean propagandists to the open water.
      All that was needed was to study mathematics at school.
      If ours does not have muhlezh with statistics, then the real mortality rate is 9-10%. Of the 3300 ill, 300 died.
      We expect that out of the current 33 thousand patients, 30 will recover, 3 will die.
      1. venik
        venik April 18 2020 18: 54 New
        +5
        Quote: Pereira
        If ours does not have muhlezh with statistics, then real mortality +9%.

        ======
        Well, if of course you count it SO, then it turns out that in the United States mortality is 59% (!) In Italy and France - by 55%, and in the unfortunate Netherlands - and in general - 1143,1 % belay !!! what
        1. gsev
          gsev April 18 2020 19: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: venik
          the unfortunate Netherlands - and in general - 1143,1%

          It is necessary to divide the number of dead by the sum of the dead and recovered, if you do not want to get a mortality rate of more than 100%.
          1. venik
            venik April 18 2020 20: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: gsev
            It is necessary to divide the number of dead by the sum of the dead and recovered, if you do not want to get a mortality rate of more than 100%.

            =========
            I know that! But it seems - NOT EVERYTHING!
            By the way, if you use the above plate (the original can be found: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, and a similar approach, it turns out that in the Netherlands the mortality rate is 94% ( belay ).
            Therefore - it’s more correct to correlate the number of dead to the number registered infected! So still more correct! hi
        2. Pereira
          Pereira April 18 2020 20: 51 New
          -2
          1143,1. You obviously smoked a math textbook in your childhood.
          It is the statistics of the Netherlands - 250 recovered, 3601 died, it is best said that the statistics there are either rigged, or a mortality rate of 94%. I am inclined to the first.
          1. venik
            venik April 18 2020 21: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: Pereira
            You obviously smoked a math textbook as a child. It’s the statistics of the Netherlands - there are no survivors, but only the dead, it is best said that the statistics there are either rigged or the mortality rate is 94%

            =========
            Да! С чувством юмора у вас явно "не сложилось".....
            А по части "скуривания учебников" вы меня явно перещеголяли! Это ж надо ухитриться "скурить" целый учебник "Теории вероятности и математическая статистика" - он же 4 times thicker school textbook in mathematics !!! belay Но, раз вы определяете смертность не по соотношению "умершие / инфицированные", а по соотношению "умершие / (выздоровевшие + умершие)" - то Вам это явно УДАЛОСЬ! good
            "Минздрав предупреждает: чрезмерное курение ОПАСНО для вашего здоровья!" lol
            1. Pereira
              Pereira April 18 2020 22: 30 New
              -1
              If you really studied mathematical statistics, you would know that your model can only be considered when the epidemic is over and the number of cases = number of people recovered + number of deaths.
              In the meantime, the epidemic is in full swing, only my method works, unless, of course, you want to consciously downplay the scale of the tragedy to please the propagandists of EP (The organization is still allowed in Russia)
              Mathematics is not your element. Sorry for the frankness.
              1. venik
                venik April 19 2020 10: 24 New
                -2
                Quote: Pereira
                If you really studied mathematical statistics, you would know that your model can only be considered when the epidemic is over and the number of cases = number of people recovered + number of deaths.

                ========
                At first: Это вообще то не "моя модель" (спасибо за комплимент, конечно!), а standard a statistical approach that allows a realistic assessment of the situation in this moment! What did you think?
                ---------
                Quote: Pereira
                And while the epidemic is in full swing, only my method works,

                =========
                М-да! "Скромность" она конечно украшает.... Когда больше НЕЧЕМ украсится!
                Интересно, а КАК вы собираетесь, например, определять "наработку двигателя на 1 отказ"? Только ПОСЛЕ того, как ВСЕ двигатели will work out your resource and will written off?? lol And TO WHOM then such information will be needed?
                PS And the probability theory and mathematical statistics were taught in our first year at the physics faculty!
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira April 19 2020 11: 07 New
                  0
                  Интересно, а КАК вы собираетесь, например, определять "наработку двигателя на 1 отказ"? Только ПОСЛЕ того, как ВСЕ двигатели выработают свой ресурс и будут списаны??? lol И КОМУ тогда такая информация будет нужна?


                  I will answer physics as a mechanic.
                  1. For testing, a batch of engines is simultaneously launched.
                  2. During the tests for each of them, the time between failures is recorded. This is to analyze the individual situation, since a failure can be caused not by a design feature, but, for example, by marriage in the manufacture of a separate part or by a maintenance error (they did not add oil).
                  3. After the failure of the last engine, the average MTBF of the batch is determined. But the statistics can be adjusted based on paragraph 2, if deviations from the test conditions were identified.
                  4. Based on the tests, a conclusion is drawn about the reliability of the structure as a whole and further improvement measures are planned.

                  With regard to our situation, there is current mortality, which is calculated by the number of patients with any outcome, and there is final when the epidemic is over. The Chinese are already taking stock. The rest is too early.
                  Based on the current dynamics of mortality (if it were published), it would be possible to draw certain conclusions about how the effectiveness of the treatment used changes over time and build more accurate schedules.
                  If I had the relevant information, I would do it. But who will give it to me?
                  So we are waiting for official reports and hope for their veracity. In the meantime, we use what we have.

                  Somewhere like that.

                  Threat. I studied mathematical statistics in the 4th year, after I studied the sections of mathematics required to study hydrodynamics.
  • Svarog
    Svarog April 18 2020 18: 19 New
    -6
    Quote: Pereira
    Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

    Процент пугающий..как и слово "ждем"..
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 18 2020 18: 21 New
      +1
      I would not say that I look forward to their death. But mathematics is apolitical and cruel.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 18 2020 18: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: Pereira
        I would not say that I look forward to their death. But mathematics is apolitical and cruel.

        I agree .. you can’t argue against mathematics ..
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 18 2020 19: 09 New
          +3
          Math, it's magic, numbers! Something else can be done only by people themselves.
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 18 2020 20: 31 New
          +5
          I agree .. you can’t argue against mathematics ..

          You’re in company with Mikhail laughing
          1. Pereira
            Pereira April 18 2020 20: 47 New
            0
            Yes, there is outdated classical mathematics, and there is modern tolerant. Are you, by chance, not a retrograde?
  • Avior
    Avior April 18 2020 18: 57 New
    +3
    Statistics change for the better as the number of recovered increases, and very much
  • knn54
    knn54 April 18 2020 19: 07 New
    +8
    Ill. Knowing the cost of testing (not even treatment) instantly recovered.
  • w70
    w70 April 18 2020 19: 09 New
    +2
    Trump, well done, Stalin would have made him Commissar
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 18 2020 19: 28 New
      +2
      Even the remnants of Soviet medicine work where they are still preserved.
      Maybe she was not the most equipped, modern, but she was reliable as a scrap!
      There are many difficulties with her now, but people do not shy away from her because of the high cost of any treatment, for medical help.
  • den3080
    den3080 April 18 2020 20: 18 New
    0
    Trump must be given the nickname - "King of IVL." smile
    He will like it.
  • Mouse
    Mouse April 18 2020 18: 02 New
    12
    Трамп заявил, что согласно новому прогнозу на территории Соединенных Штатов ожидается смертность от коронавируса "около 60 тысяч, возможно 65 тысяч человек". При этом на фоне прошлого прогноза, говорившего о 200 тысячах умерших, Трамп заявил об "отличной работе", проделанной "им лично и его командой" из администрации Белого дома.

    the main thing is to correct the numbers in time, chick and you are already the savior and benefactor of the whole nation ... wink
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 18 2020 18: 30 New
      +6
      Trump perfectly adjusted the numbers. And in time he gave the order. Another 30 thousand will die, and then immediately cease.
      But the glorious Turkmenbashi is even cooler. He generally banned the virus. Therefore, there are no patients there.
      1. mole
        mole April 18 2020 20: 02 New
        +1
        If only Turkmenbashi himself did not violate the law. Although he seems to be possible. He signed it himself and violated it! wink
        1. Pereira
          Pereira April 18 2020 20: 46 New
          0
          That would be fun.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 18 2020 18: 06 New
    +1
    Главное - он никому сохранение зарплат на время "самоизоляции" не обещает.
  • NF68
    NF68 April 18 2020 18: 08 New
    +3
    Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.
  • Dembel77
    Dembel77 April 18 2020 18: 11 New
    +6
    The White House slammed the start of the epidemic, now the Americans will, as usual, look for the extreme. And what cynicism in the words of the American president ... even my heart sank. And does such a man like ordinary Americans?
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 April 18 2020 18: 17 New
      +7
      They will not, but have already been appointed. They filed a lawsuit against China, and Russia was declared to have broken American medicine.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 18 2020 18: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Dembel 77
      The White House slammed the start of the epidemic

      and who did not slam?
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 April 18 2020 18: 53 New
        +4
        After reading this article again, I conclude that there is no way to answer your question. The article does not contain data on other states. Sincerely.
      2. bk316
        bk316 April 18 2020 20: 32 New
        +7
        and who did not slam?

        I think everyone slammed. From the groats so sure.
        More or less adequately, the Jews came forward.
    3. NF68
      NF68 April 18 2020 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Dembel 77
      The White House slammed the start of the epidemic,


      If only I had slammed. And after all, they already knew what and how everything was in China and Italy, and yet they were not in a hurry to take effective measures.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 18 2020 18: 13 New
    +6
    Quote: NF68
    Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

    Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 18 2020 18: 24 New
      -7
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Quote: NF68
      Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

      Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

      That's for sure ... unlike the Russian voter, who is doomed to endure this orgy ..
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 18 2020 18: 39 New
      -3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.

      But if you help Trump in this matter?
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 18 2020 18: 58 New
      +9
      Half-minded Biden, five years older than Trump?
    4. NF68
      NF68 April 19 2020 15: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Quote: NF68
      Ah well done. Voters in the United States will elect him a few more times as president for taking care of them.

      Most likely they will not choose. American voters have an alternative.


      It seems that everything will be like this.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 18 2020 18: 19 New
    +4
    Вирус конечно тут же возьмёт под козырек, прокричит:"Яволь, Герр президент..." и самоистребится. Вангую, что судя по темпам заражения и статистики смерти - которая отстаёт от статистики заражений минимум дней на 10 -15 США до сотни тысяч умерших дойдет за две - три недели...
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 18 2020 18: 27 New
    -5
    Patlaty raves again. Fresh portion of coke?
  • primaala
    primaala April 18 2020 18: 35 New
    -2
    Excuse me ... let me conclude ... about the leader of America.
    Когда первый раз ОН появился, как медийное "лицО", первое что пришло на ум - кто спит с ЭТИМ "чудо"!?
    (sponges with a bow, brains in the trash) OMEriki women really on dry rations.
    1. Masha
      Masha April 18 2020 18: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: primaala
      women OMEriki really on a dry ration

      there are no men ... some men remained ... but on the lack of fish and cancer, fish ... repeat
      not everyone is lucky because we .... wink
      1. Masha
        Masha April 18 2020 19: 41 New
        +6
        here it is the corrupting influence of the West! crammed a man of some sort .... laughing
    2. Avior
      Avior April 18 2020 19: 10 New
      +6
      This miracle is the eighth dozen
      Not all are young macho be
      And who is sleeping and sleeping with him, officially anyway,
      - It's not a secret like.
      1. Masha
        Masha April 18 2020 19: 46 New
        +5
        The last of the Mohicans ... yes
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 18 2020 19: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: primaala
      Excuse me ... let me conclude ... about the leader of America.
      Когда первый раз ОН появился, как медийное "лицО", первое что пришло на ум - кто спит с ЭТИМ "чудо"!?
      (sponges with a bow, brains in the trash) OMEriki women really on dry rations.

      Trump was married three times: the Czech model Ivan Zelnichkova, the American actress Marle Maples and the model Melanie Knavs, with whom Trump still lives. In addition, the billionaire does not hide his love affairs with married and unmarried women. Trump's former companions are rumored to include Carla Bruni, current wife of French politician Nicolas Sarkozy, as well as American model Kara Young.

      Donald Trump and Ivan Zelnichkov were married for 15 years, from 1977 to 1992. From this marriage, Trump had three children.


      Donald Trump and Marla Maples have been married for 6 years, from 1993 to 1999. In the marriage, the couple had a daughter - Tiffany Ariana Trump.


      Trump and Knavs got engaged in 2004 and married on January 22, 2005. March 20, 2006 the couple had a boy named Barron William Trump. He became Trump's fifth child.


      February 2, 2008 Carla Bruni married Nicolas Sarkozy.


      American model Kara Young.
      1. primaala
        primaala April 18 2020 19: 54 New
        -5
        Читала его "похождения". )) Всё равно, он не Орёл!!! МЫ женщины за версту чуем мужикоффф ))
        And if a man is not a man, then the demand from him is MAL. Neither in politics ... nor in bed ...
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 17 New
          +9
          Quote: primaala
          Читала его "похождения". )) Всё равно, он не Орёл!!! МЫ женщины за версту чуем мужикоффф ))
          And if a man is not a man, then the demand from him is MAL. Neither in politics ... nor in bed ...
          Reply

          Yes, Trump, as I understand it, flew by ...
          In fact, you should not smell a man-whetherand man-on. Then everything will be all right.

          In general, beautiful women love taking pictures with presidents.


          1. Avior
            Avior April 18 2020 20: 20 New
            +7
            For twenty years he was the owner of the Miss Universe contest. smile
            With him, and before the presidency were photographed
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              For twenty years he was the owner of the Miss Universe contest.
              With him, and before the presidency were photographed

              Ну, я всем "до президентам" такого желаю.
              Порылся в Google по ключу "...... и женщины"( вместо многоточия ставится любой президент) и убедился, что моё утверждение имеет под собой почву: женщины любят с президентами фотографироваться.
              1. Avior
                Avior April 18 2020 20: 42 New
                +2
                or presidents with women smile
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Avior
                  or presidents with women

                  Some presidents take pictures with women due to a stalemate.
                  1. primaala
                    primaala April 18 2020 20: 53 New
                    -4
                    Some presidents take pictures with women due to a stalemate.
                    =======================
                    By your logic, hiding your Gender !? lol
                    Usually, those men who are looking for a niche of self-affirmation, such as, for example, appearing to be a man / male, TE and fotkayutstsa against the background of young and beautiful.
                    Настоящий мужчина НЕ нуждается в "рекламе".
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 59 New
                      +5
                      Quote: primaala
                      By your logic, hiding its genoednost !?
                      Usually, those men who are looking for a niche for self-affirmation, such as being seem like a man \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 's, AES, and FotayuZa against the background of young and beautiful.
                      Настоящий мужчина НЕ нуждается в "рекламе".

                      By my logic, presidents are obliged to take pictures with their citizens. Everything else, your platitudes.
                  2. Avior
                    Avior April 18 2020 21: 07 New
                    +4
                    yeah. presidents are women. they have no options - a picture without at least one woman does not work smile
          2. primaala
            primaala April 18 2020 20: 41 New
            -5
            Yes, Trump, as I understand it, flew by ...
            ====================
            How shallow you think. Funny to read. Trump, like you ... didn’t know either love or buzz ...
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 52 New
              +6
              Quote: primaala
              How shallow you think. Funny to read. Trump, like you ... didn’t know either love or buzz ...

              Yes, where are we, Sivolapim. So all my life they were drifting from sand to pebble and without love and without buzz ... I don’t even know how such a lean life has lived. Well, at least you, I hope, have come off in full? Annealed for us all?
              1. primaala
                primaala April 18 2020 20: 57 New
                -2
                Annealed for us all?
                ================
                I hope satisfied ... ONE single. Although ... mmm ... we must remember ...)))
        2. Avior
          Avior April 18 2020 20: 30 New
          +8
          You are probably further than a mile away from him, both in space and in time. smile
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 18 2020 20: 49 New
        +5
        У господина Привалова просто, как "досье из Штирлица"..."истинный ловелас, беспощаден к воздержанию"...
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov April 18 2020 21: 09 New
          +6
          Quote: samarin1969
          У господина Привалова просто, как "досье из Штирлица"..."истинный ловелас, беспощаден к воздержанию"...

          He had never smoked or drank (his older brother died of alcoholism at 43), did not take drugs. Normal people
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 April 18 2020 21: 23 New
            +3
            По моему скромному жизненному опыту, у каждого должна быть какая-нибудь "сублимация"... Этот "ужас парикмахеров" не пьёт, не курит, не нюхает...получается избыток энергии тратит на глянцевых девиц...Действительно "нормальный ч". ...Откровенно говоря, всегда удивлялся, что практикующего миллиардера записывали в слабого Президента.
            It would be preferable for Russia, at the head of a hostile state, to see the neurotic mn. Clinton, than this cynic.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov April 18 2020 21: 37 New
              +9
              Quote: samarin1969
              Frankly, I was always surprised that the practicing billionaire was recorded as a weak President.

              Democrats cannot forgive him for this fortune. They have very different life views. That’s what they are doing.
              This is a joke, or, if you like, a parable:
              While visiting my friends, I asked their little daughter who would
              she wanted to be when she grows up.
              - The President! - the girl answered confidently.
              - Wow! - I said, - and what will you do first when you become
              the president?
              “I will give a roof over my head and go to all the homeless,” the girl replied.
              Her parents, the liberal democrats present in this dialogue,
              just shone.
              “A worthy goal,” I said, “but it’s not at all necessary to wait,”
              while you become president. Let's clear the lawn behind
              of my house, weed all the weeds, prune the grass and flowers, and I will
              I’ll pay 50 dollars for this. Then we will go with you to the supermarket, where
              a homeless guy is constantly hanging out, and you will give him this money to
              he could buy food and a roof over his head ...
              The girl thought for a few seconds, then looked right at me
              eyes and asked:
              - And why not this homeless guy to do all this work himself and
              get 50 dollars?
              “Welcome to the Republican Party, my baby,” I smiled.

              PS The girl’s parents still don’t talk to me.

              And Madame Clinton. For all my life, I have not hammered a nail into the wall. She was engaged in continuous trepology.
              1. samarin1969
                samarin1969 April 18 2020 22: 09 New
                +6
                Beautiful, convincing. hi ... Thank you for the lesson.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov April 18 2020 22: 15 New
                  +2
                  You're welcome! hi
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 22: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: samarin1969
                  Beautiful, convincing.

                  And if the guy is sitting in a wheelchair?
                  1. samarin1969
                    samarin1969 April 18 2020 22: 27 New
                    +1
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: samarin1969
                    Beautiful, convincing.

                    And if the guy is sitting in a wheelchair?


                    Парень "болтается"...вряд ли...
                    Думаю, и Трамп, и Путин для "колясочника" нашли бы 50 "нерублей"... Почитаемый на ВО Сталин предложил бы точить ножи ( как Гармаш в известном фильме)...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 22: 33 New
                      +2
                      Quote: samarin1969
                      Думаю, и Трамп, и Путин для "колясочника" нашли бы 50 "нерублей"...

                      I don’t know how Trump, but Putin even found a little more. My neighbor received about $ 70 in disability. Per month. He threw back his hooves a little over a year ago. Which of him is an employee, if he hobbled for two hours with a stick for half an hour?
  • venik
    venik April 18 2020 18: 37 New
    +4
    ! ...Трамп заявил об "отличной работе", проделанной "им лично и его командой".... "
    =======
    Что-то "до боли знакомое"...... Вспомнил!

    "Благодаря МОЕЙ системе, подд МОИМ чутким руководством...." (тов. Самохвалов, х/ф "Вола-Волга")
    1. Avior
      Avior April 18 2020 19: 12 New
      +3
      A great movie:)
      Only yet comrade Byvalov
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 18 2020 18: 51 New
    +9
    Американцам повезло с президентом. По гос.долгу, нефти, торговым войнам, теперь - вирусу, Трамп пытается реально "рулить". Буш с Обамой оставили ему много проблем.
    Трамп постоянно много говорит с народом и очень конкретно. Поэтому неизбежны ошибки и корректировки. Президент США прилично рискует, т.к. не объявляет "мегакарантин". "Социалист" Обама, скорее всего пытался бы "спасать людей". А старый Трамп и сам не прячется "в ранчо", и гражданам устроил "курс выживания". Его можно уважать за смелость.
    1. Dembel77
      Dembel77 April 18 2020 19: 02 New
      +3
      Only time will tell what some people hide behind ostentatious courage.
      The day before, Donald Trump said that thanks to the actions of the authorities, numerous victims of the coronavirus were avoided.

      “2,2 million people could die. The minimum, if we did not do anything, would be 1,6 million. But we did a great job, ”Trump said.

      In the event that the outbreak takes on an even more global scale, military helicopters will urgently evacuate the entire top of the government to a safe place. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2020418347-fFEg8.html
    2. primaala
      primaala April 18 2020 19: 24 New
      -4
      Bush and Obama left him a lot of problems.
      Trump constantly talks a lot with the people and very specifically.
      ----------
      If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And told the WHOLE American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT. The country's debt is built on greenery, NOTHING backed up by ANYTHING.
      What kind of economy can we talk about !?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 18 2020 19: 53 New
        +5
        Про ФРС, гос.долг, "трешериз" люди Америки лучше знают, чем про всю мировую историю и политику. И про долг - тоже. Это для них важно и интересно.
        У Америки есть экономка - форды, боинги, зерновые и много чего. Трамп " на грани фола"убирает с рынков конкурентов - китайцев, европейцев, "русских". И это есть его основная политика, а не эфемерная борьба с террористами или Путиным.
        1. primaala
          primaala April 18 2020 20: 02 New
          -2
          Про ФРС, гос.долг, "трешериз" люди Америки лучше знают, чем про всю мировую историю и политику.
          ===================
          Unfortunately ... America’s common people don’t know, and they don’t have a clue what the Fed is.
          они ИСТОРИЮ не ЗНАЮТ. Не знают НИ один предмет. (к сожалению). Есть одна эмигрантка (не авторитет мнения, и всё же учитываю...) работала ни один год в американской школе. Сколько интересного описала о начальном образовании американских школьников. Под её комментарием (на ютубе) тролли готовы были порвать её на части. Оказалась женщина смелой. И продолжила описывать реалии...Благо она сейчас вернулась в Россию. Уверенна, её бы давно закрыли, за такую информацию о американской "школе"., если бы она не вернулась в Россию.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 18 2020 22: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: primaala
        If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And he told ALL the American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT.

        Of course they would. And then they would stammer. Legs, legs ... Yes, on the kidneys, on the kidneys ... laughing
  • cniza
    cniza April 18 2020 19: 09 New
    +4
    Trump made a new “bold” forecast for the number of coronavirus victims in the US


    And declare himself the winner of world evil ...
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 18 2020 19: 16 New
    +1
    pretends that everything is under control ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 19: 45 New
      +5
      We do it much less successfully.
  • Shahno
    Shahno April 18 2020 19: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Prjanik
    And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.
    Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.

    I believe that this is a clear figure among the Jewish population. Maybe due to the Arabs 1.5 percent. In any case, the situation has been taken under control.
  • Prjanik
    Prjanik April 18 2020 20: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: Shahno
    Quote: Prjanik
    And there is Germany - about 2%. It is believed more.
    Israelis means with 1,21% you do not believe.

    I believe that this is a clear figure among the Jewish population. Maybe due to the Arabs 1.5 percent. In any case, the situation has been taken under control.
    In situations where chroniclers are urged to isolate themselves, infectious disease specialists work normally, and patients with a crown and orvi do not lie nearby, where does high mortality come from. Moreover, it seems that the virus mutates and becomes not so dangerous.
  • Tomich3
    Tomich3 April 18 2020 20: 10 New
    -2
    We are waiting for the statements of our leader from the bunker
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 18 2020 20: 20 New
    0


    Here is the opinion of a respected person.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 18 2020 21: 35 New
      +4
      I trust Dr. Roshal.
      Self-isolation - tired. Just now, still in a state of my disease not understood by doctors, I am a ready-made victim of a coronovirus, I will meet him. That is forced to sit at home. And the people got used to it, there are almost no masks on anyone, perhaps, in vain, my village lives a working life - people of small incomes cannot even calculate the percentage of deaths from a pandemic in the States. The country wants to work and is nervous that it is deprived of such an opportunity. Here is a message on RBC: beat the doctor and driver. In Bryansk, the conflict between entrepreneurs and the landlord in the market, the tension is growing - this should be discussed.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 19 2020 06: 18 New
        +1
        I see that there are more masked people every day.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 18 2020 20: 21 New
    +2
    The first person in the state must report on the work done to fight the disease, and Trump considers and predicts all the dead ...
    1. Avior
      Avior April 18 2020 20: 32 New
      +3
      he must show his merit that losses and casualties are much smaller than they would have been if not for him.
      The election is the same.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 18 2020 20: 34 New
        +1
        All this is disgusting that elections, careers, money are exchanged for thousands of human lives.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 18 2020 20: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: primaala
    Bush and Obama left him a lot of problems.
    Trump constantly talks a lot with the people and very specifically.
    ----------
    If Trump started by jumping off the Fed's roulette, And told the WHOLE American people about this, I’m sure ... HE WOULD HEAR IT. The country's debt is built on greenery, NOTHING backed up by ANYTHING.
    What kind of economy can we talk about !?

    Really, nothing. And why do central banks of other countries accumulate it in their foreign exchange reserves? For example, the Russian Federation on March 20.03.2020, 551,2 had 487 billion US dollars available. (A year ago there were only 45. An increase of XNUMX billion.) request
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc April 18 2020 21: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world

    значит Путин был не прав, заявив что в медицине России "катастрофа" laughing
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

    guessed it.

    My daughter is an ambulance nurse.
    There is no information about any mass hospitalizations of people in serious condition.
    Yes, their substation has currently lost 6 employees (infected).
    One of the infected children is now in quarantine.
    Tests are available and massively used not only in Moscow.
    There is some coordination between the central and regional headquarters and the organizations involved.
    This is inherent in our country at all times at the initial stage of a problem.
    The daughter now except complains of increased attention.
    Up to 20 calls per day and daily visits.
    If you are a doctor, stop breeding what you are currently producing.
    Save your strength and do your own thing.
  • Cheerock
    Cheerock April 18 2020 21: 44 New
    +3
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    Quote: Pereira
    Having recovered 100 thousand. Of these, 37% died. 710272 x 37% = 262000. We are waiting for this particular figure if there is no muggle with statistics.

    Where are they to Russia:
    according to official data (17.04.20), the percentage of deaths from coronovirus in the Russian Federation from the total number of cases is 0,83%.
    At the same time, the world average is 6,7%.
    Moreover, such a low percentage of deaths anywhere in the world is not even close. In Switzerland similar to the situation - 4,79%, in the Netherlands - 11,34%.
    There are 3 possible explanations:
    1. The level of development of the healthcare system in the Russian Federation is far ahead of even the most developed countries in the world
    2. The presence of an extra bonded chromosome that the virus cannot overcome
    3. Concealment by the authorities of the Russian Federation of real data on the dead.

    You, dear, do not carry garbage to the masses. This screenshot was taken here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
    We press on the camps and look at the attitude of the dead to the cured. We have just 8.3%. Such a small mistake is only 10 times. In Germany - 5%. In the Netherlands - at 90%, by the way, but you are modestly silent about this, as well as the fact that in Europe only 2 countries have decided to do nothing and the Netherlands is one of the two.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto April 18 2020 22: 04 New
    +2
    Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

    I personally do not, friends have no friends either.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 18 2020 22: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

      I personally do not, friends have no friends either.

      Here, everything is clear. The country is big. The territory is vast with a low population density. It is too early.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto April 18 2020 22: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Warrior StillTot
    Write pliz, do any of the well-known people become infected?

    I personally do not, friends have no friends either.

    Here, everything is clear. The country is big. The territory is vast with a low population density. It is too early.


    Это все понятно, вопрос только лишь к группе собеседников. Спасибо что подключились, среди "ваших" я так понимаю нет
  • for
    for April 19 2020 00: 59 New
    +1
    All these statistics are not formed about anything 2 + 2, as you need. Arranged competitions. Not a little topic, the authorities of one of the regions in negotiations with the virus managed to reach a ceasefire until April 20, after the mandatory wearing of masks. As always, from Monday we give up bad habits, the first week of self-isolation.
  • Skarpzd
    Skarpzd April 19 2020 04: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: primaala
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: primaala
    Really!!! YOU are afraid of people like me. YOU are easy to calculate.

    You are just a child. Sorry, but here are adult uncles.

    A child under 5 years old forms his subconscious and worldview.
    The rest ... 95% is accounted for - what I read, what I saw, and how I UNDERSTAND the situation situation.
    I think ... you are biased towards me. To my perception and understanding of what is happening.
    Я ленюсь излагать "точности" аналитики происходящего. В силу УВАЖЕНИЯ сильных мира сегО - мужчин. Мне и в голову не придет, оспаривать Ваше мнение. А знаете почему!? Научилась читать между строк. НАБЛЮДАТЕЛЬНАЯ.
    And I really want this (my) quality of mind to help - the country of Russia.

    страшный вы человек. опасный для окружающих. безаппеляционность суждений зашкаливает. самомнение в прочем тоже. навешивание ярлыков стало "хорошим" тоном в ВО. принцип "кто не с нами-тот против нас" прямо таки запределен. впрочем , я таких как вы, понимаю отчасти. не смотря ни на что не иметь собственного мнения, петь дифирамбы действующей на данный момент власти (любой власти) ваше кредо. при чем ни сколько не сомневаясь в своем праве судить о людях. хорошо жить с такими принципами. не правда ли? главное - одобрямс тем кто у руля. такие как вы сегодня плюют в СССР, завтра же с таким же упоением будут плевать на РФ случись очередная смена курса. вот попытались обляпать грязью Silvestr (Сильвестр), врача, который всяко в теме больше чем вы. и пусть он пенсионер, но у меня старшая дочь врач, и то что она мне говорит созвучно высказываниям Сильвестра. хотя и рада бы ошибиться. а вот вы лично КТО по профессии? ну кроме специалиста по чтению между строк чей могучий ум способен помочь России? ну для справедливости представлюсь - работник ОАО РЖД, специалист по средствам автоматики и приборам технологического оборудования, занимаю должность старшего электромеханика контрольно поста.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 19 2020 10: 26 New
    0
    An accurate forecast, even in the church will not give, which is in direct contact with the Lord.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 19 2020 11: 24 New
    +1
    Complete failure of insurance medicine. What in the USA, what in Britain. For the whole country - several hundred highly qualified doctors, for the elite. The rest - a very mediocre treatment for crazy money. To treat a cold for 70 thousand dollars a week? Our liberals, with free ambulance and quick hospitalization, did not even dream about Putin in their nightmares.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor April 20 2020 13: 45 New
      0
      Oyo Sarkazmi, let’s give out fair and honest information, are you not against the truth?
      firstly, the cost of treatment for coronavirus in the USA is from 1 to 42 tdol for the entire treatment, and not 70 per week.
      Secondly (and this is more important), this is for those who do not have health insurance (blacks and all kinds of anti-elements), and approximately 2 percent of the US population has insurance.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi April 20 2020 18: 49 New
        +1
        More than 70 thousand is exactly hospitalization for 1 week. If you have insurance, compensation will be half this amount. So 30 thousand - in any case, from the patient’s pocket.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor April 20 2020 19: 15 New
          0
          "По оценке независимой некоммерческой организации FAIR Health"-70000

          “I assume that the treatment bill will be at least $ 5000”

          "В принципе не все открыто объявляют факты о ценах на лечение. Но можно найти сведения через некоторые источники. Например, самое дорогое лечение в США. В случае легкого течения заболевания больной в этой стране должен лежать в больнице шесть дней. Но для граждан без страховки эта цена составляет 75 долларов. Больные в тяжелом состоянии должны лечиться минимум четыре недели, тогда лечение обойдется до 300 тысяч долларов. Однако для имеющих страховку граждан эти цифры значительно ниже.
          At this stage, the US government made a free test for the detection of coronavirus. Also opened a special call center for those wishing to be treated at home. Doctors give advice and recommendations for free. The US television system has introduced the telemedicine service. Remote medical advice costs $ 34.
          Но эта информация не означает, что безденежные люди в США умирают. На устранение коронавирусного кризиса государство выделило деньги в 2,2 трлн долларов."

          See how different the information is? but so far they’re not collecting anything from anyone ..
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    veritas April 21 2020 16: 37 New
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    The whole planet will be ill with this virus. But the number of victims will be greater where there are more elderly and worse medicine.