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Police! Bayonets to join! Cook gas grenades!

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What kind of submachine guns you will not meet! Unusual patterns come across ...


Weapon the police. Previous material about the layout of a brand new submachine gun for the XNUMXst century police we ended up describing a cartridge representing a block of barrels with four charges per barrel. Eight trunks - 32 shots. That is a very decent ammunition. But do not forget that we have four additional mounting units for two more of the same cartridges. We attach them to the main mounting unit and in this way we can install as many as three cartridges on our submachine gun, that is, its total ammunition is now 96 shots, and this is more than any modern submachine gun has.


Photo 1. In this photo you see a submachine gun, equipped with three cartridges at once, with an attached bayonet, a tilted display and a grenade

But that is not all. The fact is that the first two mounts are connected to the main mount horizontally. But the two rear ones - vertically. And on the two front there are worm gears in four positions - 50, 100, 150 and 200 m. By turning the left and right toggle switches on the side mounting nodes, you can move the cartridges located on the sides so that they are aimed at the same place as the main one, central cartridge. That is, our submachine gun does not need a fire regime with a cut-off, say, three shots. When you press the shutter release button, depending on the fire mode selected on the display, you get three shots of three cartridges at the same time, six shots or nine. And accordingly, 3, 6 or 9 bullets are simultaneously flying at the target! In one shot! Or you water an enemy with continuous fire from all three barrels with a total rate of 3000 rds / min. But you can not reduce all three trunks at the same distance, but leave them fixed in parallel. And then you got as many as three ellipses of dispersion overlapping each other in the interval from 0 to 200 m. That is, it turns out that you will have the real "scythe of death" in your hands!


Photo 2. Four-position toggle switch for four fire ranges


Photo 3. A submachine gun with three cartridges and an attached bayonet. Left view

But the policeman does not have to insert all three cartridge cartridges. In one of the mounts, he can insert a cartridge with a grenade equipped with tear gas, and in the other with seven plastic or rubber bullets. Again, all this will be reflected in the display. And the electronic unit will be configured so that in the first place it will always shoot non-lethal ammunition, and lethal - in the last turn. The grenades with which he fires, as already noted here, can be in disposable and fully ready-to-use cartridges. But it is also possible that the tube for firing grenades may not be plastic, but metal. Then it turns out like this: the “pipe” is separate, and the grenades (several pieces separately) and to them four propellant charges with microchips inside. He invested all four - the shot was fired at 200 m. He invested three - 150, two - 100 and, finally, one - the shot distance was 50 m. This variation is convenient because it allows you to effectively work on various targets.


Photo 4. The upper-lower grip is demonstrated. So it’s very convenient to “water” the enemy “from the belly”!


Photo 5. The bayonet, of course, by passing the need can be removed ...

Moreover, the range of ammunition for a grenade launcher mounted on this submachine gun can be extremely large. As already noted here, it can also be gas grenades (for example, with personnel equipment CR, CS, CN), fragmentation, filled with steel balls with a diameter of 5 mm, thermobaric, high-explosive, in a plastic case with pressed explosives, having a minimum fragmentation, but very strong explosive and noise impact, and smoke, filled with white phosphorus. The presence of a cartridge allows the use of fully equipped cartridge cartridges filled with illegal liquid damaging substances such as ASD, which is safe for humans (and indeed, strictly speaking, is a medicine), but has such a specific smell that few can tolerate it, especially in large doses. That is, inside the container is a piston, a powder charge and a microchip. At the signal of the control unit, it ignites the powder charge, the piston squeezes the liquid and the ASD jet flies out at a distance of about 25 meters. Similarly, cylinders can be equipped with indelible paint, pepper oil tincture and thickened gasoline mixed with white phosphorus, which makes it possible to use this submachine gun as a flamethrower too! Moreover, a bullet cartridge, a cartridge with one of the grenades, or, say, the same flamethrower, can be attached to it at the same time.

Police! Bayonets to join! Cook gas grenades!

Photo 6. Swedish gas grenade M74 to the police grenade launcher

Of course, three cartridges on one frame mean significantly more weight weapons. It can be assumed that a conventional bullet cartridge will weigh no more than one and a half kilograms. And this is the maximum, but in reality even less. But let's take it to the maximum. By the way, the submachine gun body itself can weigh as much, along with batteries and a tactical flashlight, although the latter is removed and is not needed during the day. Thus, the total weight is 3 kg. With three cartridges, it can thus increase to 5–6 kg. However, it makes sense to attach all three cartridges to a submachine gun, and even with a bayonet, only in the most extreme circumstances. But they arise infrequently.


Photo 7. With one cartridge and folded stock, this submachine gun is a very convenient and compact weapon!

Another noticeable drawback of this submachine gun is that it cannot be fired from through the loopholes of military vehicles. However, experience shows that police officers usually do not shoot through them. Moreover, on many police armored vehicles today they are not even provided. Fire is conducted through open hatches, or using a machine gun turret. The crew of the car in this case usually controls the upper hemisphere and monitors the upper floors of the buildings, past which a police armored car passes.


Photo 8. Shooting lying

At first glance, the inconvenience of shooting while lying is also caused by highly placed sights. However, in reality it only seems so. The fact is that the shooter has to raise the upper body anyway if he shoots with a submachine gun or submachine gun with the bottom position of the magazine (most of them are today!), And in this case, the high-mounted sight does not affect its increase, visible projection, so to speak. And besides, it is the police who rarely have to fire while lying down, this is still more the prerogative of the soldiers of the army units, who often have to fight “in nature”, while the battle in an urban environment has its own specifics!


Photo 9. Upper grip. So it’s very convenient to act with a bayonet, including even with one right hand!

In this case, the ergonomics of the weapon is of greater importance, allowing its most varied grip related to the characteristics of the length of the arms and also the mobility of various joints. One grip will be convenient for someone, someone else. In this case, diversity is very important, as it makes it easier for a person to successfully "apply" to a weapon.


Photo 10. Upper-lower grip. The display of the control unit and its screen are clearly visible

Now let's imagine a hypothetical situation of police actions with such submachine guns against anti-constitutional elements on the streets of a hypothetical city. A signal arrives: masses of demonstrators trying to break into government buildings mobilized (this is shown by drones with cameras on board monitoring the situation) by specially trained “instigators”. It becomes obvious that one of the scenarios of the “color revolution” is being realized.

Police block the street with shields, while the second echelon, armed with submachine guns with non-lethal cartridges, fires at the demonstrators with gas grenades. Does not help! Using pre-prepared gas masks, illegal elements try to break through a police cordon. In response, a command is received to install additional cartridges on the weapon and open fire with plastic bullets of non-lethal impact, as well as to use cartridges with indelible paint and ADS liquid.

In response, unlawful elements activate force. Police officers fly railway nuts with tied fabric tails, home-made grenades from Pepsi and beer cans, bottles with Molotov cocktails, and darts from sharpened iron fittings. Then shots are fired, including from automatic weapons. On the part of the demonstrators, detachments of trained militants come into action. There is a danger of a breakthrough of police cordons. In stores, shop windows are broken, cars are turned over and set on fire. Arms stores were seized, and massive fire was opened on law enforcement officers.


Photo 11. Who can resist this? None! From one appearance you can fool yourself!

There is a threat of direct rebellion and the destruction of the constitutional order. Under these conditions, the only possible decision is made: to respond to fire with fire. An order arrives: “Join the bayonets, install battle cartridges!” Police open heavy fire at the feet of the attackers and go on the attack. Snipers shot from the windows of the houses, but they were suppressed by massive fire and high-explosive grenades firing at the windows.

Police enter anarchy-ridden neighborhoods. Ahead of the barricade. It is set on fire by incendiary grenades and destroyed by HE. At firing points of illegal elements shoot fragmentation grenades. In hand-to-hand battles with the enemy, the police actively use bayonets and brass knuckles. As a result, the resistance of insurgents is completely suppressed. And they used a single type of weapon!
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 4 May 2020 18: 10 New
    34
    Police enter anarchy-ridden neighborhoods. Ahead of the barricade. It is set on fire by incendiary grenades and destroyed by HE. At firing points of illegal elements shoot fragmentation grenades. In hand-to-hand battles with the enemy, the police actively use bayonets and brass knuckles. As a result, the resistance of insurgents is completely suppressed. And they used a single type of weapon!

    What is this computer game called? belay
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 4 May 2020 18: 23 New
      22
      Quote: Terenin
      What is this computer game called?

      I read and ofigel too !!! This is how much you need to have a stormy fantasy to write this belay
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 4 May 2020 18: 35 New
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        Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I'm afraid the Kalashnikov concern will not appreciate your concept ...
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 30 New
          -3
          But I know a place where they will evaluate as it should. When this happens I will write in the material about the next unusual sample.
          1. venik
            venik 4 May 2020 20: 58 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            But I know a place where they will evaluate as it should.

            ============
            Well, HOW is this place called? There are, of course, versions, but I will not voice them .... Yes, of course, you obviously will not die of modesty!
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            Quote: kalibr
            When this happens I will write in the material about the next unusual sample.

            ============
            Yes, you are already promoting your craft in the SECOND article. This is generally a site "Military Review"and not the Young Samodelkin Club?
            1. kalibr
              5 May 2020 18: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: venik
              Yes, of course, you obviously will not die of modesty!

              The French say: modesty is like underwear, you should have, but you shouldn't show it to everyone. Be patient about "place" ... everything has its time. The second time, just? You will survive the third and fourth ...
              1. venik
                venik 5 May 2020 21: 34 New
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                Be patient about "place" ... everything has its time. The second time, just? You will survive the third and fourth ...

                =======
                Karrrr-aul! Help!!! stop
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 4 May 2020 20: 59 New
            +1
            Horn cartridge for 32 "rounds" at a rate of fire of 3 rds / min. few. PP "Bizon" has a screw-horn for 000 rounds. Can GM-64 be better for shooting with special grenades?
            1. blackice
              blackice 5 May 2020 02: 25 New
              +1
              And I liked the most important thing in this wunderwafle - a Chinese watch, for some kind of horseradish there it’s sloppy.
              It seems to me that without them this hat will not work.
              In general, the topic is formidable. Now any plumber will blurt them in bundles in the basements. laughing
          3. The comment was deleted.
          4. Sam-07
            Sam-07 5 May 2020 01: 47 New
            +3
            against whom are you going to fight? ....))))) warriors .....)))))
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 6 May 2020 08: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Sam-07
              against whom are you going to fight? ....))))) warriors .....)))))

              Against those who swing the boat.
              It is understood that from such exercises with live shooting she will not only not tip over, but will not even sway.
        2. Shelest2000
          Shelest2000 4 May 2020 20: 11 New
          -2
          Oh, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I'm afraid the Kalashnikov concern will not appreciate your concept ...

          And thank God - let the military arm, not the policemen.
      2. kalibr
        4 May 2020 18: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        I read and ofigel too !!! This is how much you need to have a stormy fantasy to write this

        Well, at least one appreciated how it should be!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 02 New
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          Vyacheslav Olegovich! You probably guess that * ofigel * is not only the respected Stroporez?!?! laughing laughing laughing
          1. kalibr
            4 May 2020 19: 10 New
            +1
            V.I. Lenin considered fantasy the quality of the greatest value!
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 26 New
              15
              Well, excuse me, but ... Doesn’t pull me into the picture of the future drawn by you. Where 3000 shots per minute, and then with a bayonet * to finalize *.
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 4 May 2020 19: 42 New
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                It seems to me, gentlemen, it was ... a comedy. laughing
                Seryoga, on the presented, “translucator”, present only: a bayonet, a flashlight and a clock. wink Cartridges from PVC pipes 50mm + painted wassat
                1. Was mammoth
                  Was mammoth 4 May 2020 20: 07 New
                  +9
                  Quote: bubalik
                  bayonet, flashlight and watch.

                  The author has another article about shit. wink
                  Quote: kalibr

                  Then there will be 2 more books to continue. The second is almost ready ...

                  wink
                  Wait!
                  1. kalibr
                    4 May 2020 21: 18 New
                    -1
                    Quote: There was a mammoth
                    The author has another article about shit

                    Well, all of you here, who are so oblivious, have crept up ... Not a head, but a sieve. Not about shit, but about a bomb stuffed with pig shit for dropping on ISIS (banned in Russia).
                    1. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 4 May 2020 21: 32 New
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      Not a head, but a sieve.

                      Throw an idea, cheap and cheerful!
                      Regular shit truck. The compressor turns on and all the protesters (suppose against the pension reform) are really in shit. The area is freed instantly. Plus, wives are not allowed to go home and talk about future protests is stopped right in the kitchen with a frying pan. The minus is decided by migrant workers and military disinfection machines.
                      And then there are some cartridges, a general rate of fire!
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 4 May 2020 23: 51 New
                        -2
                        There is a gas relaxing sphincter. The clap and all the protesters march with full pants. Even funny.
                    2. Gato
                      Gato 4 May 2020 23: 24 New
                      +1
                      (banned in Russia)

                      Who! Bomb? belay
                    3. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2020 12: 55 New
                      -1
                      This makes a big difference. laughing
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 4 May 2020 20: 14 New
                  +4
                  And Olegitch! He, too, seems to be real !!!!! Although ... * I don’t recognize you in makeup. Who are you? * bully bully bully
                3. SHURUM -BURUM
                  SHURUM -BURUM 4 May 2020 21: 56 New
                  0
                  "I blinded him from what was" (C)
              2. kalibr
                4 May 2020 20: 04 New
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                Sergei! About what kind of war there will be separate material: 2 vs 3: the last and decisive battle!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 4 May 2020 20: 16 New
                  +4
                  Damn! Well, you can’t scare people like that! laughing Coronovirus, self-isolation, masks, lack of masks! And here you are, a sort of humanist! bully
                  1. kalibr
                    4 May 2020 21: 15 New
                    -1
                    Oh, Sergei! The more I get to know people, the more I love cats. By the way, I also have a book about cats: The Life and Adventures of a Barsi Cat "in the same place on author.today. Children really like it. However, not only children.
                    1. venik
                      venik 4 May 2020 23: 21 New
                      +1
                      Quote: kalibr
                      The life and adventures of the Barsi cat "in the same place on author.today. Children really like it. However, not only children.

                      ========
                      Excuse me, but children do not like your "automatic miracle"? I'd - like! IN CHILDHOOD! wink
                2. venik
                  venik 4 May 2020 23: 23 New
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                  Quote: kalibr
                  Sergei! About what kind of war there will be separate material: 2 vs 3: the last and decisive battle!

                  =========
                  Lord save me! Just NOT THIS !!! stop Vyacheslav! Graphomania is also a DISEASE !!!
                  1. kalibr
                    5 May 2020 18: 28 New
                    +3
                    Quote: venik
                    Just NOT THIS !!!

                    Christ endured and ordered us! This leads to humility ...
                    1. venik
                      venik 5 May 2020 21: 30 New
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      Christ endured and ordered us! This leads to humility ...

                      =========
                      I DO NOT WANT_U_U !!! belay
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 4 May 2020 19: 40 New
              +9
              Quote: kalibr
              V.I. Lenin considered fantasy the quality of the greatest value!

              "There are two in the room. Me and Lenin ...." And that is characteristic of you, too.
            3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 21: 25 New
              +8
              And accordingly, 3, 6 or 9 bullets are simultaneously flying at the target! In one shot! Or you water an enemy with continuous fire from all three barrels with a total rate of 3000 rds / min.

              Fuck goat button accordion !!! ???
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, this is not a weapon of the police. To be honest, anarchy must be suppressed by tanks - just kidding! Enough competent use of special forces, armed with equipment of 2-3 protection classes, rubber stick, shield, gas spray, a pair of handcuffs and service weapons. Approximately one to 5-10! The only condition is cleavage of the Team! Further factors come next, with the number of “anarchists” exceeding 100 people, it is worth highlighting groups of special equipment with KS-23 and cover with sniper weapons. If more than 1000, then on a nearby street it’s worth putting a couple of special Avalanche machines in reserve. In fact, as early as 4 years the functions described by me have no side to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. Today it is the prerogative of the Russian Guard to drive citizens around the city !!! Only, the latter prefers to implement this functionality in the form of internal affairs bodies! Especially military units, although they can be distinguished by red and white vests of ordinary and sergeant composition !!!
              Now seriously. The internal affairs bodies need different weapons, or rather diverse! If you Vyacheslav Olegovich and the "rushing" itch of invention, then I will try to formulate my "Wishlist"!
              1. For internal service, investigators and operational personnel, a compact (flat), light gun is necessary. Weighing up to 500 grams in running order. Moreover, it must have a high stopping effect of the bullet and low return (almost half of the employees are girls)! Have a low shot sound. Sighting range of 10-15 meters. Ammunition 8 rounds. Because of this, recharging must be simple and convenient.
              2. The on-duty unit, PPSP and DPS should be armed with weapons weighing up to 1000 grams, with an aiming range of up to 50 meters and have a magazine with increased capacity of over 16 rounds. Cartridges are of two types: one with a high stopping effect and a low level of rebound, the other with the possibility of hitting a target behind an obstacle (car doors, etc.) and manpower in personal protective equipment of 2-3 classes.
              3. District commissioners - a compact service weapon for item one, but with increased ammunition up to 12-16 rounds in the store. Weighing no more than 700 grams.
              4. One of the employees: duty units, patrol units of the traffic police and traffic police - is armed with automatic weapons. There are a number of points. Increased magazine capacity, from 30 rounds and above. Weight is not more than 1200-1500 grams. Convenience of bringing to battle and wearing (including transportation in a company car). Mandatory butt, with the ability to adjust. Improved sights. For example, a collimator sight. Range of fire not lower than 100 meters. Ammunition of three types: with a stopping effect, armor-piercing (with the possibility of breaking through the wheels) and traumatic. There were precedents when a 9x18 bullet did not break through the wheels of a tractor.
              5. Machine guns, machine guns and sniper rifles. The arsenal of the police must leave full-time, similar to the army! This is a dead weight needed in an emergency. So what is more important here is the provision of ammunition!
              Well, if you forgot, do not blame me. Although I’ll pay attention, all weapons of employees of internal affairs bodies must be unkillable! Ready, to the fact that instead of cleaning and lubricating, it will receive a “zilch” from the CHANEL N5 toilet ox and a dozen hygienic tissues !!! I repeat the girls in the ranks of the police - half !!!
              Multifunctionality in the form of throwing stun grenades, a stun gun, a bayonet and a baton - to hell!
              Maximum designator, built-in diode flashlight and coating of sights with fluorescent paint !!!
              Sincerely, Kitty!
              1. kalibr
                5 May 2020 18: 29 New
                +2
                Thanks for the helpful comment, Vladislav. There would be more of them ...
              2. Obliterator
                Obliterator 1 September 2020 20: 06 New
                +1
                Commentary on the cart from the current employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs from the "ground". albeit somewhat belated.
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                it is worth highlighting groups of special means with KS-23

                KS-23 is gradually being written off, replacing it with Saiga.
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                1. For internal service, investigators and operational personnel, a compact (flat), light gun is necessary. Weighing up to 500 grams in running order. Moreover, it must have a high stopping effect of the bullet and low return (almost half of the employees are girls)! Have a low shot sound. Sighting range of 10-15 meters. Ammunition 8 rounds. Because of this, recharging must be simple and convenient.

                It makes no sense to look back at girls when designing weapons - most of them are still not going to shoot under any circumstances. They will of course welcome compact light weapons, but only for reasons of wearer comfort. The requirement for a low shot sound is unnecessary - a loud sound is preferable to use a weapon to fire a warning shot.
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                , the other with the possibility of hitting a target behind an obstacle (car doors, etc.) and manpower in personal protective equipment of class 2-3.
                The police have no need for armor-piercing rounds. Ordinary ammunition is also suitable for damaging vehicles.
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                3. District commissioners - a compact service weapon for item one, but with increased ammunition up to 12-16 rounds in the store. Weighing no more than 700 grams.

                This option will go to all services in general.
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                Although I will draw your attention to the fact that all the weapons of employees of the internal affairs bodies must be indestructible! Ready, to the fact that instead of cleaning and lubricating, it will receive "zilch" of toilet ox "CHANEL N5" and a dozen hygienic napkins !!! I repeat the girls in the ranks of the police - half!

                In general, police weapons do not require the same indestructibility that the army needs. It is operated under completely different conditions. Cleanliness is regularly checked by the officers on duty, after the shooting practice it is mandatory to check. In the case of use in a combat situation, a small number of shots are fired, within the wearable ammunition load from a pair of magazines, so the weapon will not have time to get very dirty. If the girl cannot or does not want to service the weapon herself properly, then she will go to negotiate with someone who will do it for her.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 1 September 2020 21: 30 New
                  0
                  With all due respect to you, I will remain unconvinced. Not convinced by a colleague.
                  Good night!
            4. venik
              venik 4 May 2020 23: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: kalibr
              V.I. Lenin considered fantasy the quality of the greatest value!

              =========
              And what, sorry, Vladimir Ilyich considered qualities projection и absurd ideas? Do not tell me?
            5. AUL
              AUL 5 May 2020 06: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              V.I. Lenin considered fantasy the quality of the greatest value!

              Fantasy fantasy - discord. I know one pepper who, in his fantasies, sees himself as Napoleon. And not by the emperor, but by a cake! wassat
              1. kalibr
                5 May 2020 18: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: AUL
                I know one pepper who, in his fantasies, sees himself as Napoleon.

                From the room next door, right?
                1. AUL
                  AUL 5 May 2020 18: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kalibr
                  From the room next door, right?

                  Oh, so you know my room number? Neighbor? Come visit, have a drink! hi
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 04 New
          10
          Self-isolation probably got you! But you hold on! bully bully bully
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 4 May 2020 19: 33 New
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            Quote: Phil77
            Self-isolation probably got you! But you hold on!

            Already apparently unbearable! wassat
      3. Range
        Range 4 May 2020 19: 13 New
        +4
        The picture of "Maidan" is described from the side of the Maidanites, and Berkut simply stood, armed with clubs, and lost soldiers from snipers and Molotov cocktails. He waited for an order for retaliatory actions, which never came. Here's an oil painting for you. You can throw your slippers, but in your memory, shots pop up of how they burned the Berkutovites and threw themselves at them. Hopefully the footage of the Maidan in the archives has been preserved for the new Nornberg trial of the neo-fascists. And so the article is not clear about what and why. Probably to show which countries in the West are peaceful with such a "wunderwolf". Especially the bayonet knife. Bandera, do not regret the disadvantages, although it will be seen how many of you are on the site. Your defenders' flags have been removed from the site - rejoice.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 4 May 2020 19: 37 New
          +8
          Quote: Spectrum
          Spectrum (Alexander)

          Are you also completely "tired" of self-isolation?
          there are clearly already two of you in the comment belay
          1)
          Quote: Spectrum
          The painting "Maidan" is described by the Maidanites,

          AND 2)
          Quote: Spectrum
          And so the article is not clear about what and why.

          You invite Shpakovsky, he will be the third good
          Although he is already talking to Lenin. what
          1. Range
            Range 4 May 2020 19: 46 New
            +1
            And you comment on the photo of the Maidan shown below.
      4. kalibr
        4 May 2020 19: 34 New
        -1
        I completely forgot to tell you. This is something else, in the sense of a violent fantasy ... I recently published a book, a novel by NF, on the author.today site - it is called "God the Creator", the first book "Lost on the highway or" the paradox of doubles. " Fantasy! Highly recommend. You will not regret if you read it!


        Then there will be 2 more books to continue. The second is almost ready ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 4 May 2020 19: 54 New
          +8
          Quote: kalibr
          I completely forgot to inform you. That's what, in the sense of wild fantasy ... I recently published a book

          Colleague! hi Two days before self-isolation, my mother-in-law brought my neighbor in the "cage" three cans of "violent fantasy" (the goal is unknown), by yesterday he had already "built a house", "found a new high-paying job" three days later, "fucked" all single women in the House!!! Tomorrow he was going to move, go to work and change his wife!
          Look, comrade fulfilled three decrees, "solved" the housing issue, "got a job" and exceeded the government's demographic plan!
          And you say a book!
          1. kalibr
            4 May 2020 21: 12 New
            +1
            Yes, I don’t know what to do ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 4 May 2020 21: 32 New
              +7
              Quote: kalibr
              Yes, I don’t know what to do ...

              Better not try it! belay
      5. raw174
        raw174 5 May 2020 05: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Stroporez
        This is how much you need to have Wild Fantasy in order to write this.

        This is not a fantasy, this author remembered the events of six years ago in Ukraine ... And not only there. Say it is not possible? With adequate funding, anything is possible. The authorities did not use force there, the revolution of dignity was accomplished, did the people begin to live better? I don’t know for sure, but I’m not sure ... I hope that if we go according to this scenario, we will have enough determination to use force to suppress the rebellion in its infancy.
    2. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 5 May 2020 12: 21 New
      +1
      Very interesting concept. Ergonomics would work out better, and so it is quite functional.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 5 May 2020 12: 57 New
      +1
      Noble bolter turned out. Death to xenos and chaos! laughing
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 8 May 2020 13: 29 New
        0
        That's it! :)
  2. Undecim
    Undecim 4 May 2020 18: 11 New
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    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I see only two reasons for this kind of technoism at the level of "wundersupervffe". The first is the junior and partly middle school age. But you seem to have grown up already. The second is a terrible dislike for people, complicated by a complete lack of technical knowledge. Really "in the world there are no analogs"! Against peaceful, unarmed people - 3000 rounds per minute! Yes, and their grenades, then gas, and the survivors - cut with a bayonet. Nikolai the Bloody smokes nervously on the sidelines.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 4 May 2020 18: 33 New
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      Quote: Undecim
      Against peaceful, unarmed people - 3000 rounds per minute! Yes, and their grenades, then gas, and survivors - cut with a bayonet. Nikolai Bloody nervously smokes on the sidelines.

      This "idyllic oil painting" lacks only a large-caliber anti-aircraft blade with cartridges and the ability to refuel in the air. belay
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 4 May 2020 19: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        the only thing missing is a large-caliber anti-aircraft blade with cartridges and the possibility of refueling in the air.

        Wait a minute, let's come up with ...
        Yes, comrade, do you remember what the bourgeois painted on the covers in the 20s
        Quote: kalibr
        Popyular mykeneks, Popyular science, Modern mykeneks

        ?
        It's the same ... I don’t remember either, but Comrade Shpakovsky remembers everything. repeat
        Question to Vyacheslav Olegovich. And what is the weight of one cartridge? And anyway, how did you calculate the weight?
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 59 New
          -1
          From 1 kg to 1,5 kg. This is a cartridge. With grenades easier. For example, the heaviest is 500 g with a 750 g container.
          As for "remember", what do you want? I have a professional memory. When I gave lectures to students, I almost never looked into the text. Or dictated only formulas ...
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 4 May 2020 22: 49 New
            +1
            Well, there is the only formula: commodity-money-commodity
            1. kalibr
              5 May 2020 18: 33 New
              +1
              No, Sergei, you just don't know. In the same "Media Planning" there are many formulas ...
      2. Avior
        Avior 4 May 2020 20: 03 New
        +4
        The most honest media write, in North Korea someone is either shot by anti-aircraft guns or fed to dogs.
        If there is an anti-aircraft shovel, there should be a dog-thrower for completeness smile
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 5 May 2020 20: 06 New
          +1
          Dogs must be Korean, specially prepared, in soy sauce.
    2. kalibr
      4 May 2020 18: 54 New
      -2
      I didn't think that I would have to write this for you, but apparently everyone has certain blinders. Do you remember what is depicted on 80% of the covers of such magazines as Popular Mykenex, Popular Science, Modern Mykenics - 20-30 years? And the structures depicted were generally divorced from reality, right? And this despite the fact that in the magazines themselves (it is not difficult to check) the speech was mainly (80%) was not at all different. Why was obvious delirium and fantasy displayed on the cover? And in order to develop polystyrene in people, so that they think over the pros and cons ... And this and the previous material - all this will go into a book for young people. Yes, yes, and people will read and also ... think. Moreover, one person (alas, only one!) Made a clever comment to the previous material, and I asked his permission to use it and will quote it verbatim. Let them read, think, look for the pros and cons. And maybe the quality of the foam will improve for someone, interest will appear and ... he will do something that we cannot even guess about today. Can't you see: done well, the photos are beautiful ... what else is needed to develop the imagination? Knowledge and experience say - nothing, that's enough!
      And then ... why did you decide that against peaceful people? They have broken the law and violated the order! Or did you also decide to read obliquely, like most everyone else? In vain!
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        They have broken the law and violated the order!

        And it will definitely be the legitimate use of such a * monster *? So from the hip.
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 55 New
          -1
          How do I know, Sergey? It’s interesting for me to come up with ... and what will happen next ... What will happen will happen, let fate decide!
          1. Altona
            Altona 4 May 2020 22: 31 New
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            I’m interested in coming up with ... and what will happen next ...

            ------------------------
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, let's better talk about some kind of modelism, action figures and tin miniatures, oil paintings and ancient Greek myths. I really like this cycle, by the way you can fantasize myths, I read with pleasure. And your police fantasies should probably be presented to scriptwriters of computer games, as you were advised above. hi
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 4 May 2020 19: 13 New
        +4
        They have broken the law and violated the order!
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, who will assess the fact and extent of the "crime and violation"?
        1. Range
          Range 4 May 2020 19: 29 New
          +1
          It'll be enough?
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 37 New
            +4
            For the use of firearms? No, not enough. For the police, not enough.
            1. Range
              Range 4 May 2020 19: 41 New
              0
              You tell the cops in the West. Even a banal swing and you are guaranteed a morgue. This is our ceremony with scum, and there is one solution: raised his hand to the policeman - not a tenant. They do not need an order from above.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 4 May 2020 19: 48 New
                +3
                Well, it’s not so simple! The use of weapons is possible only at the seventh stage- * Lethal weapons *. And when dispersing what you brought to the photo, water jets, tear gas, rubber bullets are used.
                1. Range
                  Range 4 May 2020 20: 24 New
                  -4
                  Where? IN USA? Are you sure about the topic?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 4 May 2020 20: 37 New
                    +1
                    Exactly! In the USA, the police have a special scale for the use of a firearm * Continuation of force *, it has 7 stages. The seventh I brought you the rest is much milder. Are you sure about this?
                    1. kalibr
                      4 May 2020 21: 09 New
                      +1
                      Sergei! I have a former ... Penza acquaintance who works in the City Hall of New York. He came and told me ... Walking ... down the street to a cafe ... Lunch ... The police arrived. "Hands on the hood, slowly!" In handcuffs and in the station. There, just there, they found out who he was, called the municipality ... treated him to coffee ... Then, they say, we'll take him to work. Then a call ... it turns out, while they were drinking coffee, they shot him from another car ... a double (well, very similar!), Who was ... a serial killer. He seemed to be "reaching for the gun." And who knows whether he was stretching or not. The main thing is that he was identified as a serial killer!
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 4 May 2020 21: 24 New
                        +2
                        So I don’t claim that everything is perfect there. But ... like us, according to EVERY misuse of a firearm, you are tormented by writing pieces of paper. Yes, what I am telling you is to contact our mutual friend, he will explain all the nuances . even professionally. I brought the scale for the use of weapons by the police and it differs little from our instructions.
                2. Range
                  Range 4 May 2020 21: 19 New
                  -2
                  What is a deadly weapon for you: scrap, Molotov cocktail, hatchet, knife, concrete cobblestone (100 gr. - 300 gr.), Peak, chain load, forks, ...? Or just a firearm? Are you definitely a citizen of Russia? Or a banal maniac?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 4 May 2020 21: 38 New
                    +4
                    Damn! / If soft and censored! /. I'm just a passerby! Is it so accessible? I will explain to you about the conditions for the use of firearms-legal !!!
                    And yes, I am a citizen of the Russian Federation.
                    1. Range
                      Range 5 May 2020 00: 32 New
                      -4
                      Are you saying that if a "man" with a Molotov cocktail swung at a police officer, then the police officer must press the "Pause" button? Write a statement to the court and the court dulgen give him the go-ahead to shoot the cocktail thrower at him? So?
                      1. Range
                        Range 5 May 2020 19: 01 New
                        -3
                        It is clear that minuser are piled up and lined. He gives this product as a Faberge sickle. You will not succeed in destroying Russia, just as you would not have been exposed to pingvinostan.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 4 May 2020 20: 00 New
              +7
              Quote: Phil77
              For the use of firearms? No, not enough. For the police, not enough.

              Colleague, but it seems like they adopted a new law on the use of "from the hip .."
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 4 May 2020 20: 09 New
                +6
                Yes, in crowded places, its use is generally not welcomed. And so in case of a threat to life, to repel an attack, if there is a threat of damage to human health, to detain armed persons.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 22: 36 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Phil77
                  and in crowded places its use is generally not welcomed. And so in case of a threat to life, to repel an attack, if there is a threat of harm to human health, to detain armed persons.

                  Sergey, I will add - it is strictly forbidden!
            3. Range
              Range 4 May 2020 21: 05 New
              -6
              Seen differently does not reach. What is the best way for you to breathe from a cobblestone, from a Molotov cocktail, from a lance or from a bullet? Pondpingwinners and all sorts of Yudo-Saxons, and especially the Soros liberoids, were dumbfounded.


              1. Phil77
                Phil77 4 May 2020 21: 09 New
                +5
                No more arguments? All claims to his used president.
                1. Range
                  Range 4 May 2020 21: 40 New
                  -2
                  I have no relation to ukrobanderlogii.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 4 May 2020 21: 45 New
                    +5
                    Yes, I’m generally violet. I have nothing to do with the categories of citizens you mentioned. I explained everything to you, but you throw all the pictures from the Maidan. I will repeat: in those conditions there was a need to use special means / the list is known / and, above all, the will of the then president.
            4. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 4 May 2020 23: 53 New
              -3
              Enough for fire to kill. This is a direct threat to life.
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 4 May 2020 19: 52 New
            +9
            No, damn it is not enough !!! Because the bayonet, on police weapons is a tool for finishing off! In this case, I strongly disagree with the author in terms of futurology, because our children will finish off! And by the way, his granddaughter.
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 4 May 2020 20: 14 New
              +7
              Because the bayonet on police weapons is a tool
              ,, This exhibit, presented in the article, is not suitable in principle for fulfilling the tasks of law enforcement agencies.
              Anton hi good evening.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 4 May 2020 20: 37 New
                +5
                Sergei! hi
                I'm not talking about the exhibit, but about social moral imperatives.
            2. Range
              Range 4 May 2020 20: 44 New
              -1
              About the bayonet, I already wrote in the comments above. Bayonet for police nonsense. About the rest, the issue is controversial and controversial.
            3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 22: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              No, damn it is not enough !!! Because the bayonet, on police weapons is a tool for finishing off! In this case, I strongly disagree with the author in terms of futurology, because our children will finish off! And by the way, his granddaughter.

              To hell with a bayonet - buddy!
              May 1, I killed all the cartridges for the printer. The work got up, and the employees of CITSiZI have the day off !!! You can’t even buy it at the store for money - the coronovirus multiplied for the holidays !!!
              He was ready to give his soul for a cartridge !!!
              On May 2, I opened three cabinets, killed two more cartridges (two died before me) and on May 3, with a clear conscience, I left for the weekend !!!
              Tomorrow the boss goes to the service to write a report for the general, well ... consists in the fact that only one A-O plotter remained alive after I was in the headquarters and which, besides this format, can also eat sheets of Whatman paper in A-1 format! And that’s it !!!
              I’m afraid that the “boss” will sparkle with intellect and go to the paint, rob the subordinates, and everything before her has already been killed! And I don’t need to look for the guilty 24 volumes of nomenclature affairs lie on my table !!!
              So, I need a bayonet, for me personally, only for a sepuc! Well, or a thick luck that someone else will come out to work on the floor !!! And the boss will not be puzzled by the question of who “killed all the cartridges” of the headquarters, including her personal !!!
        2. Range
          Range 4 May 2020 19: 33 New
          -3
          Or this one? In the internet there are many "colorful" shots of those events.
        3. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 53 New
          -1
          Well, there will always be people for this ...
      3. Undecim
        Undecim 4 May 2020 19: 37 New
        +3
        You do not recall that 80% of the covers of magazines such as Popyular mykeneks, Popyular science, Modern mykoniks - 20-30 are shown? And the designs were depicted generally divorced from reality, right?
        I recalled. Scroll at random Popular mechanics for 1936. There is nothing divorced from reality on the covers. Everything is real.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 4 May 2020 19: 44 New
          +5
          For example, the sixth number. I had to fumble in the pantry.
          1. kalibr
            4 May 2020 19: 51 New
            -1
            I have an article here on these magazines with a large number of such covers, and you don’t need to fumble anywhere ... And there commentators wrote that I was against fantasy ... Now there’s more than enough of it. And again bad!
    3. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 4 May 2020 19: 39 New
      +4
      But also special equipment to suppress the riot will be involved. Purchases were for the Russian Guard. So the potential adversary, starved of hunger, has no chance.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 21: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Michael m
        But also special equipment to suppress the riot will be involved. Purchases were for the Russian Guard. So the potential adversary, starved of hunger, has no chance.

        All the easier tanks in the city do not fight! Will be cleaned by aviation !!! laughing
        Just kidding
        Now seriously !!! Most importantly, do not bring this situation to - like that !!!
        Example, recent events in the city of Demons !!!
        When was the rally in defense of the “Square from the Russian Orthodox Church” !!! In another way, I can’t name it.
        The officers of the affairs bodies, who were standing in cordon, in all seriousness called out for the possibly failed abbot of the church - demanding to disperse the people. To which they jokingly answered that they put in a cordon today: Muslims, Jews and Hare Krishnas !!! Christians, including Catholics, Lutherans and Calvinists, were released on the weekend! And the chief with us is a Baptist - a schismatic !!!
        Porte was stubborn - for the Baptist - the schismatic had to answer !!!
        Well, somewhere like that! Even the bayonets were not needed !!!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 4 May 2020 21: 50 New
          +5
          Here! Here are the words * not of a boy, but of a husband * !!!! Do not finish!
    4. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 4 May 2020 20: 34 New
      0
      Nikolai II received the nickname "Bloody" after the events on the Khodynskoye field. Coronation of Emperor Nicholas 2 On May 2, 26, a holiday was organized on the Khodynskoye field with the distribution of rolls and "gifts". The people went for "gifts", a crush began, 1896 people died, more than 1379 were injured. From this event, the reign of Nicholas 900 began. The nickname was fixed after the Lena execution - the events of April 2, 4, from 1912 to 150 people died (the exact number is not known, different sources - different numbers). The order to open fire on the peaceful procession was given by Captain Treshchenkov, where is the fault or the involvement of Emperor Nicholas II himself?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 4 May 2020 21: 16 New
        +3
        Why so much text? Where do I have about the guilt of Nicholas II? Or about involvement? Was there a nickname? It was. What are the questions for me?
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 4 May 2020 23: 54 New
        -2
        How many destroyed the Bolsheviks after the revolution. And who is bloody?
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 5 May 2020 00: 15 New
          0
          Andrey, who, how many and whom destroyed after the October Revolution - I cannot name exact and even relatively plausible numbers. The nickname "Bloody" (in relation to Tsar Nicholas 2) appeared before the Revolution of 1917, appeared most likely among the "liberal intelligentsia", which brought Nicholas 2 to abdication.
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  5. Oleg133
    Oleg133 4 May 2020 18: 23 New
    -1
    Shooting on the squares ... More evidence that the police of the Russian Federation was not created to protect people.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 4 May 2020 19: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Oleg133
      Shooting on the squares ... More evidence that the police of the Russian Federation was not created to protect people.

      And where are you, in the fabrications of the old senile, saw the police? request
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 22: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: Oleg133
      Shooting on the squares ... More evidence that the police of the Russian Federation was not created to protect people.

      Oh, the police are just a couple of BM-21 Grads are not enough !!! lol
      It’s young-green, there are such violent ones only until one moment when the homeless people pinch their cottage or the violent neighbor in the kumpul doesn’t annoy! Then they flee to the nearest department for a jump, “Dear dear ones, help, otherwise I walked along Uralmash and shone my own path with iPhone 11, and then there’s a gop-stop“ I won’t find Dad’s light ”?
      For fun!
      In practice, the acquaintances of the guys (not from the chatterboxes) were replaced by iPhones for the first time 6 years five years ago, and last year 10! And according to people, everything happened like that! The night, Uralmash, a man goes to a meeting and lights up the road with a telephone! Innocent question "there is no light!" A man throws the phone and runs away !!! And people carry the “find” to the police, repent “didn’t want to scare”, “they simply asked for a light” !!!
  6. Amateur
    Amateur 4 May 2020 18: 25 New
    +7
    A little more and will be like Arnie Schwartzneggeraaustro-american.
  7. bubalik
    bubalik 4 May 2020 18: 26 New
    10
    In hand-to-hand battles with the enemy, the police actively use bayonets and brass knuckles
    ,,, bayonet is not suitable. In the situation simulated by you, more damage to employees is inflicted by 1-1.5m scraps of sharpened reinforcement, stitching and crushing lesions. In the presence of shields, damage to the lower extremities. In the absence of firearms in the warring parties, water cannons and gases are better suited.
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 19: 26 New
      -2
      Sergey, there’s everything to the heap, as they say. You look, how conveniently the sample treats in hands ... When it was ready ... I tried with a bayonet. Very comfortably. Therefore, he set it.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 4 May 2020 19: 27 New
        +1
        ,,, I wrote already below, a bayonet from the CBT?
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 50 New
          -1
          Answered even lower ...
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 22: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        Sergey, there’s everything to the heap, as they say. You look, how conveniently the sample treats in hands ... When it was ready ... I tried with a bayonet. Very comfortably. Therefore, he set it.

        Vyacheslav Olegovich, a flamethrower is not enough, as well as an opener and a lip-closing machine !!!
        Just kidding !!!
  8. knn54
    knn54 4 May 2020 18: 26 New
    +2
    Insurgents, seeing the weapon, will simply scatter. The "incomprehensible" is always scary.
  9. Amin_vivec
    Amin_vivec 4 May 2020 18: 29 New
    0
    And where is this miracle of engineering and their ammunition produced?
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 4 May 2020 19: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Amin_Vivec
      And where is this miracle of engineering and their ammunition produced?

      The author has on the balcony.
  10. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 4 May 2020 18: 38 New
    +7
    For a complete resemblance to the wunderwaffe of the "Zorg" company from the movie "5th Element" there are not enough poisoned darts, a jet flamethrower, a trapping net, and a cryogenic jet. Well, and stupid humanoids who want to buy it in this configuration.

    And it will be clearly not people, but beings with a completely different logic.

    "For our honor!", Yes.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 4 May 2020 19: 15 New
      +6
      And the "red button"!
  11. garri-lin
    garri-lin 4 May 2020 18: 45 New
    0
    The last paragraphs yes to Berkot's ears. On the Maidan. Here already the heart was pinched.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 4 May 2020 20: 39 New
      +4
      * Golden eagle * at one time needed not this, but an exact and concrete ORDER. The rest is speculation.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 5 May 2020 01: 10 New
        +1
        Alas, the puppet did not have enough spirit. But the Kremlin for some reason did not order. It’s a pity for men.
  12. garri-lin
    garri-lin 4 May 2020 18: 49 New
    +4
    Vyacheslav Olegovich. Question. I ask 100500 thousandth time. The alignment of the trunks. How will acceptable accuracy be achieved in the production of cartridges? So that bullets from different barrels flew to one point. I am silent about different cartridges.
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 19: 21 New
      -2
      So this problem has been solved for a long time. And I don't know how it will be achieved. I'm not a technologist. But I read that even with 3D printing, the accuracy is very high. For example, a copy of the Colt-1911A1 was made. It is clear that it came out much more expensive than mechanical. But the accuracy of 3D printing was almost absolute. Something was cleaned up there (fastening the substrate) and no more finishing was required and the "Colt" worked like a clock.
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 4 May 2020 19: 29 New
        +3
        This problem has not been resolved. And moreover, it cannot be solved cheaply. Trunk accuracy is the forefront of technology. And you have eight trunks that should send bullets to one point. This is unrealistic. Elementary heating will cause deformation. And changing the trajectories.
        1. kalibr
          4 May 2020 19: 38 New
          0
          Thank! I will ask specialists at our university ...
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 4 May 2020 19: 47 New
            +3
            I pointed this out to you in comments on articles about the miracle machine for 25 trunks. It is impossible to make several identical trunks. It is imposible to pack several barrels into a bag so that all bullets are guaranteed to fly in one trickle. It is impossible to do this massively and cheaply.
            1. kalibr
              4 May 2020 19: 48 New
              0
              Quote: garri-lin
              It is impossible to do this massively and cheaply.

              It may very well be. But the Americans are trying ... What are we worse?
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 4 May 2020 19: 52 New
                +5
                If I am not mistaken, they have been trying to do this for more than 20 years. And nothing has changed. The idea itself is damaging. The barrel is the most expensive and most technological in weapons. Conclusion. The trunk should be one. The only exception is the need for cooling at high rates of fire. A lot of trunks are expensive and heavy. And it interrupts all the pros.
                1. sen
                  sen 5 May 2020 04: 57 New
                  +1
                  It's right. That is why the revolver has one barrel, and not several, although the prototype was a multi-barrel pistol with a rotating block of trunks.
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 5 May 2020 12: 39 New
              0
              Quote: garri-lin
              It is imposible to pack several barrels into a bag so that all bullets are guaranteed to fly in one trickle. It is impossible to do this massively and cheaply.
              Yes? But the foreign double-barreled shots succeed.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 5 May 2020 13: 33 New
                0
                Name at least one double-barreled shotgun which from 100 meters will put both bullets to a 10 cm circle.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 5 May 2020 14: 21 New
                  0
                  Even TOZ-34:
                  [media = https: //forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/171/387055.html], post by Merlin 25-11-2008 15:26
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 5 May 2020 14: 28 New
                    0
                    The link does not open. Words can. Is there a 100 meter distance?
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 5 May 2020 21: 12 New
                      0
                      You know, your question was embarrassing: in previous posts it was about shooting from 100 m (but with a single-barrel Fabarm SDASS Tactical), but the range is not specified in this post. Post itself:
                      I already laid out this photo, Pipe in Kuzminki, 35 m, Gualandi bullet 28 g subcaliber (manufactured by Fetter). TOZ-34 from both barrels (one bullet (on the right) went into the gap, but with it along the edges of the holes 8 cm is obtained).

                      Until you asked, there was no doubt about the distance.
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 5 May 2020 21: 19 New
                        0
                        Well, in general, not 100 meters. And at the same time, tozas 34 80 percent of the price is trunks. The cartridge will be low-tech and expensive.
      2. pv1005
        pv1005 4 May 2020 19: 47 New
        +4
        You would be better off looking at pictures in the Murzilka magazine, and not reading technical literature incomprehensible to you.
  13. ABM
    ABM 4 May 2020 19: 09 New
    +4
    A chainsaw needs to be attached! great kit
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 4 May 2020 19: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: ABM
      A chainsaw needs to be attached! great kit

      - Lamp!!! Hang the lantern on my forehead so that I can mow at night !!!! © smile
  14. bubalik
    bubalik 4 May 2020 19: 13 New
    +2
    ,,,, bayonet, similar to the bayonet from the CBT.
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 19: 39 New
      0
      I guess I didn’t specify ... asked for a blade, they gave me ...
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    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 20: 10 New
      -2
      At a regular grocery store. It is called "Dried Cloves". It is used for canning. You take the inflorescences in your mouth and chew. Kills all germs and viruses.
  16. bk0010
    bk0010 4 May 2020 19: 44 New
    +5
    Useful product for punishing violators, instead of
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 4 May 2020 19: 59 New
      +4
      Did the machine go dry? Walk with Pinocchio.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 4 May 2020 22: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: garri-lin
        Did the machine go dry? Walk with Pinocchio.

        Appreciated, right up to tears !!! I haven’t laughed like that for a long time !!!!
  17. Avior
    Avior 4 May 2020 19: 54 New
    +1
    I can’t imagine that the police or someone else would really be armed with such weapons, but here’s the filmmakers, in my opinion, the author’s ideas will be torn off with his hands.
    The problem with any science fiction movie is the lack of imagination for creating hand-held weapons of the future. So they shoot all kinds of giant bugs and spiders in the future from machine guns stolen from the hall of the museum of weapons of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
    It happens even cooler, I remember, one princess with a Mauser ran like a revolutionary commissar, only without a budenovka.
    But the belief in science fiction and the success of the film lies in the details. And not so many new types of weapons were invented for films - a blaster and a lightsaber.
    But here it would never occur to anyone to say that this weapon is not from the future, an ordinary bayonet only needs to be replaced with a light Jedi bayonet-knife, for reliability.
    So I'm sure that filmmakers will fork out.
    good
    1. Disorder
      Disorder 4 May 2020 20: 29 New
      +5
      The princess with Margolin was running, Mauser had Han Solo. laughing
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 May 2020 20: 38 New
        -1
        Right you are right
        Later, he worked as an archaeologist, played games with patriots, was on a submarine, fought with the Germans in Yugoslavia, then grew to the president on a plane.
        Nimble little boy, our shoot has ripened everywhere smile
    2. kalibr
      4 May 2020 20: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: Avior
      So I'm sure that filmmakers will fork out
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  18. Catfish
    Catfish 4 May 2020 19: 59 New
    10
    I will not part with our zone, I will forever be friends with her!

    "Join the bayonets!" And everyone to attack!
    Enemy if you hit and ... in the ass! laughing

    PS Vyacheslav, no offense, I hope. Just a joke. smile
    Simply, it seems to me, and without our participation, the authorities will have something to arm the police with. hi
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 20: 53 New
      +1
      Sea Cat (Constantine) Excellent cover for the third book "God the Creator" !!! Thanks!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 4 May 2020 21: 48 New
        +2
        Glad I liked it, by golly. smile drinks
  19. awdrgy
    awdrgy 4 May 2020 20: 10 New
    +1
    Come on Bullshit Derringer from "The Beggars' Weapon" is cheaper and more efficient
  20. Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 4 May 2020 20: 11 New
    +1
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, but doesn’t it seem to you that if you cut off the top of the structure, then futuristicness will, of course, become less, but technological effectiveness with ergonomics will increase?
    1. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 4 May 2020 20: 30 New
      +1
      The upper part and the vertical, intersecting components necessary for the rigidity of the structure.
      1. Hwostatij
        Hwostatij 4 May 2020 20: 33 New
        0
        Given that it is plastic? I’m sorry, I really didn’t understand.
    2. Avior
      Avior 4 May 2020 20: 44 New
      -1
      If you cut off the top, how to hold, is there a pen?
      Although, of course, I’m not sure that when the left hand is higher than the right, it’s convenient
      1. kalibr
        4 May 2020 20: 49 New
        -2
        Sergei! This is unusual, I agree. But it’s convenient. I was surprised myself. Actually, there was another project from the very beginning. More traditional ... But when I tried this, it turned out to be unusual, but convenient.
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 May 2020 20: 58 New
          +5
          As I understand it, the weight of the layout is small?
          With the weight of the product, this will cause great difficulties.
          Firstly, it will be hard to keep your hand held high on weight for a long time.
          Secondly, the gravity will press down or you will have to stretch forward and hold your left hand high and actually lift the whole sample on weight, and this is noticeably harder than emphasizing the bottom with your left hand, as is customary when the weapon is held from the bottom.
          Thirdly, the right hand will not help much, since it is moved far back from the center of gravity
          Really hold, in my opinion, will be inconvenient with the full weight of the sample
          Not to mention the fact that if you put your butt on your shoulder, your left hand will cover your entire view, and you will have to keep it virtually at the level of your head
          Just try to stand there for a while
          1. Avior
            Avior 4 May 2020 21: 44 New
            0
            You actually have the upper part, except that the handle is a sight
            If it is reduced, as on the M16, there will be a carrying handle, the overall weight will decrease — pay attention to how much metal will go to the top.
            And about the stiffness _ you have three parallel cylinders below, if you weld them with jumpers, there the scrap stiffness will be in the metal.
            After all, the upper bridge does not provide rigidity for the entire structure; it runs parallel only to the middle cylinder.
            Further, a thin pipe, the continuation of the priklpda, is it necessary to cut it off, and attach the middle cylinder to the trimmed part, then the recoil will go in a straight line to the shoulder
            The weapon will be simplified and easier, only the handle under the left hand will need to be lowered to provide.
            Not sure about the idea of ​​three barrel blocks
            I think you didn’t take into account that only the recoil of the middle block will be straight in the shoulder, and the side blocks of the trunks form a lever with respect to the abutment point in the shoulder, and the recoil when shooting from them will significantly turn the weapon to the right or left, since the blocks are large in the diameter, and even if they are close to each other, like a hunting rifle, anyway because of the diameter of the blocks, the effect will take place.
            it is probably better to use only two blocks, but arrange them vertically, rather than horizontally, and attach the midpoint to the extension of the stock line.
            The lever effect in this case will be, but noticeably weakened.
            Unfortunately, in this case, the behavior of the weapon will be somewhat different when firing from the lower or upper block of trunks due to the existing lever when applying the recoil point, but at least reduced due to the fact that the lever will be half smaller and half the diameter of the barrel block.
            hi
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 4 May 2020 22: 54 New
        0
        Looks like a grip of a chainsaw.
    3. kalibr
      4 May 2020 20: 51 New
      -2
      Hwostatij And how to provide rigidity? And this design turned out to be very durable and tough.
      1. Hwostatij
        Hwostatij 4 May 2020 20: 54 New
        0
        But in more traditional weapons, how is it (stiffness) provided?
  21. Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 4 May 2020 20: 16 New
    +2
    And further. And can you take photo 10 from a different angle? The thought does not leave me that shooting with aiming from a standing position is wildly uncomfortable.
    1. kalibr
      4 May 2020 21: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Hwostatij
      And further. And can you take photo 10 from a different angle? The thought does not leave me that shooting with aiming from a standing position is wildly uncomfortable.

      Now it’s unlikely. All this is now packed in the country. And unpack ... why? It's too early ...
  22. KCA
    KCA 4 May 2020 20: 39 New
    +2
    The right police, in spite of the sanctions, choose the ASH-12, with it no noise grenades, no gas
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 4 May 2020 21: 08 New
    +3
    Insanity grew stronger, the trees bent, and the night was dark ...
  24. Azis
    Azis 4 May 2020 21: 14 New
    +2
    The design is generally clear. What did the author make a "Picatinny rail" and a knife from?
  25. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 4 May 2020 21: 28 New
    +3
    Do not cook potatoes .... Enough
  26. Disorder
    Disorder 4 May 2020 21: 30 New
    +8
    Nightmare. This is what self-isolation does to some. belay
    Hybrid Apache with Mitraleza. wassat
    And this is the second article about the same cuttlefish. What in the next article will the author add to it?

    There is a threat of direct rebellion and the destruction of the constitutional order. Under these conditions, the only possible decision is made: to respond to fire with fire. An order arrives: “Join the bayonets, install battle cartridges!” Police open heavy fire at the feet of the attackers and go on the attack. Snipers shot from the windows of the houses, but they were suppressed by massive fire and high-explosive grenades firing at the windows.

    Police enter anarchy-ridden neighborhoods. Ahead of the barricade. It is set on fire by incendiary grenades and destroyed by HE. At firing points of illegal elements shoot fragmentation grenades. In hand-to-hand battles with the enemy, the police actively use bayonets and brass knuckles. As a result, the resistance of insurgents is completely suppressed. And they used a single type of weapon!

    There, the whole police will get along with these little balls.
  27. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 4 May 2020 22: 25 New
    +4
    the invention of some twilight genius ... I can be far from mechanics, but I see one thing with my eyes .... small arms, in particular, beautiful .... and this is some piece of nightmare and ugliness ... no, not aesthetically
  28. Alexey Kurtov
    Alexey Kurtov 4 May 2020 22: 31 New
    +3
    There was already a submachine gun made by a "drunken plumber apprentice" (STAN), with this perhaps it is even worse!
  29. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 4 May 2020 23: 10 New
    +3
    The dumbest activity is to fantasize about a topic that you have never participated in. The author is doing just that. The first thing that destroys his "development" is the need to hold and use this device with both hands. Two, Karl, two! I think I shouldn't explain further what and why. Article - for the sake of another homemade product with the fantasies of the writer of action movies on his knee.
  30. venik
    venik 4 May 2020 23: 31 New
    +3
    Quote: kalibr
    Not a head, but a sieve. Not about shit, but about a bomb stuffed with pig shit for dropping on ISIS (banned in Russia).

    ========
    Do you have such jokes or seriously ??? I ask because I read everything 1289 The articles that you contrived for 5 years just to FILL the site - absolutely IMPOSSIBLE !!!
    1. Slavs
      Slavs 5 May 2020 02: 54 New
      +1
      Everyone earns as he can)))
  31. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 May 2020 01: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: venik
    Quote: kalibr
    Not a head, but a sieve. Not about shit, but about a bomb stuffed with pig shit for dropping on ISIS (banned in Russia).

    ========
    Do you have such jokes or seriously ??? I ask because I read everything 1289 The articles that you contrived for 5 years just to FILL the site - absolutely IMPOSSIBLE !!!

    And she has five dances .... She also dances (C))))))))))))))))))))))
  32. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 May 2020 01: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Kurtov
    There was already a submachine gun made by a "drunken plumber apprentice" (STAN), with this perhaps it is even worse!

    well, there’s at least an explanation - saving money during the war
  33. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 May 2020 01: 35 New
    +1
    but now the question has arisen ... and if you need to run through the green ... and behind this one is a squiggle .. and it will stick out in all directions and not tightly press it to the body ... but not ... nonsense
  34. Slavs
    Slavs 5 May 2020 02: 57 New
    +2
    With a bayonet-knife, the courtyard is neater ... And then the PPS outfit (with weapons from the past) may not believe in the author’s peaceful mood ...
  35. bk316
    bk316 5 May 2020 02: 57 New
    +4
    Such a device will not protect against the Orange Revolution. While the guys will increase the impact on the crowd according to the methodology from the article, they will be accurately shot by snipers in the back of the head. Stop preparing for the day before yesterday’s war, look at least at yesterday’s.
  36. AKS-U
    AKS-U 5 May 2020 03: 15 New
    +2
    "There is a threat of direct rebellion and destruction of the constitutional order ... The police open heavy fire ... and go over to the attack. Sniper shots are heard from the windows of the houses ..."
    Well, this is the Civil War. The weapons there will be slightly different. And the methods are different. And the goals are different. And the responsibility to the people is different.
    .................................................. .................................................. ....................
    Or maybe on insurgents from a flamethrower. It’s not necessary to invent anything. Allows both range and menacing. Nobody wants to get under the torch. And do not come up with 8 barrels, cartridges.
    How much one must hate the Russian people to come up with such a thing. This is from the opera "makaroshka", "no one asked you to give birth", "don’t give money, they will eat it anyway", "parasites" (according to Shalimov, from the latter).
    Sometimes it seems to me that Russia is sick with swine flu.
  37. riwas
    riwas 5 May 2020 10: 49 New
    +2
    Something similar has already been discussed on the forum.
    https://topwar.ru/147856-amerikanskaja-armija-mozhet-vooruzhitsja-garazhnoj-vintovkoj.html
    "Garage" rifle L4 / L5 Caseless Ammo. The cartridges are packed in special boxes, the shot is initiated and controlled by electronics.
  38. And Makarov
    And Makarov 5 May 2020 14: 12 New
    -2
    Interesting tool
  39. Sergey Zavalov
    Sergey Zavalov 6 May 2020 03: 28 New
    0
    That's when this something will be on cartridges 300-500, then I recognize it as a normal weapon without a barrel. Well, you also need: The correct location of the store (for example, like p90, for convenient reloading), normal sights, etc.
  40. Recoil
    Recoil 6 May 2020 18: 51 New
    0
    Police enter anarchy-ridden neighborhoods. Ahead of the barricade. It is set on fire by incendiary grenades and destroyed by HE. At firing points of illegal elements shoot fragmentation grenades. In hand-to-hand battles with the enemy, the police actively use bayonets and brass knuckles. As a result, the resistance of insurgents is completely suppressed. And they used a single type of weapon!

    KVACHKOVA IS NOT FOR YOU
  41. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 11 June 2020 10: 24 New
    0
    It looks like science fiction, but I liked the moment about ASD grenades - a smelly stimulator of immunity, if you smell concentrated it acts like a tear gas. In the economy for cattle I apply.)))
  42. Pushkar
    Pushkar 9 July 2020 23: 53 New
    0
    With a bayonet at the ready for law enforcement? Have you forgotten about grateful citizens?