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Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

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In Ukraine, an interview with President of the country Vladimir Zelensky Savik Shuster is being actively discussed. We are talking about Zelensky’s words expressed on the program “Freedom of Speech”.


During the discussion, the topics of the epidemic, the situation in the Donbass, the country's economy, the fire in the Chernobyl exclusion zone were raised.

To begin with, it is worth noting that European experts published a map of the Chernobyl zone, created on the basis of satellite data. On April 15, the fire of a fire approached a distance of about 1,5 km to the sarcophagus of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Information of this kind was voiced by the emergency services of the European Union. On Twitter of this service, the corresponding graphics appeared.

Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

Smoke in connection with the ongoing fire in Ukraine near Chernobyl was recorded in a number of European countries. At the same time, Ukraine itself claims that the radiation background is “practically normal”.

According to Zelensky, measures to extinguish fires are being taken, including fire aviation.

Touching upon the topic of Donbass, he made a statement about the ongoing war in the region. At the same time, he said that "Ukraine is moving step by step towards peace, but if they shoot, then we respond."

Further, the President of Ukraine decided to announce that the country has a powerful army, after which he pronounced the following words after the question of Savik Shuster:

What is victory for you? I do not mean the flag over the Reichstag
.

I'd like, yes ... And a victory is the return of all territories and the withdrawal of all troops by Russia. The troops will leave, and we will enter, and then the border. Then the election.


Schuster:

Only the Reichstag needs to be found

In fact, Zelensky speaks of holding elections in the Donbass after Kiev gained control of the border. But only this contradicts the Minsk agreements, where all points are clearly spelled out in order.

Zelensky’s statement about the flag over the Reichstag raised a lot of questions among Ukrainians themselves. It turns out that he compares Donbass with Nazi Germany? .. And this is to the question of how ordinary residents of the region can perceive such statements by the head of the Ukrainian state.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 April 18 2020 07: 19 New
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    Maybe he still wants to get a Hero of Ukraine "for this"? It's not funny at all.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 24 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Maybe he still wants to get a Hero of Ukraine "for this"? It's not funny at all.

      It’s funny when it’s funny. But it’s not at all funny when a politician confuses the scene with the presidency.
      And it’s not at all funny when it comes to war
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 18 2020 07: 28 New
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        I need to show him a photo of the Reich Chancellery - let him remember. there were many "winners"
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 31 New
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          Quote: antivirus
          there were many "winners"

          1. antivirus
            antivirus April 18 2020 07: 33 New
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            probably Keitel had a handkerchief with a kohlyats ornament - a gift from a "grateful villager"
            1. CERBERFOL
              CERBERFOL April 18 2020 21: 50 New
              +3
              Immediately after he became president with humor, he became tight. Not afraid that the joke about the Reichstag Ukrainian Natsik not like?
          2. syndicalist
            syndicalist April 18 2020 07: 54 New
            -93
            But soon there will be a trial of the Vlasov ROA with the Russian tricolor
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 41 New
              90
              Quote: syndicalist
              But soon there will be a trial of the Vlasov ROA with the Russian tricolor

              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana April 18 2020 13: 44 New
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                Still, Zelensky is not up to the position of the President of Ukraine - the comedian actor, who in "Kvartal-95" publicly played the piano between his legs with his "device" between his legs, in order to make the audience laugh for the audience's needs!

                As the saying goes, not for Senka hat Monomakh!
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 47 New
                  13
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  As the saying goes, not for Senka hat Monomakh!

                  On it is only a cap with bells
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana April 18 2020 14: 10 New
                    15
                    the president of Ukraine decided to announce that the country has a powerful army, after which he pronounced the following words after the question of Savik Shuster:
                    What is victory for you? I do not mean the flag over the Reichstag
                    Zelensky:
                    I'd like to, yes ... And victory is the return of all territories and the withdrawal of all troops by Russia. The troops will leave, and we will enter, and then the border. Then the election.

                    And about Zelensky, probably, according to the order from Washington and under the machine guns attached to him on the side from the side of Bandera - he sees nightmare dreams all the time.
                    So Zelensky didn’t really go mad for long!

                    Crimea through the eyes of an AMERICAN. Sep 12 2014 year

                    The American Miguel Francis went to the Crimea to see with his own eyes the "occupying" troops, the protests of the local population, the devastation and chaos that Western media write about. However, a completely different picture was revealed to him. Residents of Simferopol, Sevastopol and Yalta, with whom Miguel managed to talk on the streets of these cities, spoke about the long-awaited reunification of Crimea with Russia, about the history of the peninsula from the time of Peter I to the present day, about their concerns, hopes and aspirations.
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin April 18 2020 14: 16 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      he sees nightmares all the time.

                      He thinks what will happen if in the west people see it
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 18 2020 14: 20 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        He thinks what will happen if in the west people see it

                        You cannot escape fate! Anyway, in the West people will see everything.
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 18 2020 14: 43 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You cannot escape fate! Anyway, in the West people will see everything.

                        And the truth is always sooner or later find the way
                      3. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 10 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        And the truth is always sooner or later find the way

                        but to the point ... Euroamericos - those are still SLAVES !!! do you think it dawned on them what their countries had done with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ??? if you get it, then what has changed and what is the use of what comes to them ??? what
                      4. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 40 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        do you think it dawned on them what their countries had done with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ??

                        Yes, if by and large I’m deep in the drum, that will not reach everyone.
                        He will open his eyes to someone
                      5. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 49 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        do you think it dawned on them what their countries had done with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ??

                        Yes, if by and large I’m deep in the drum, that will not reach everyone.
                        He will open his eyes to someone

                        it won’t solve anything ... but it will only give an excuse to shield supposedly innocent ordinary people ... which is fundamentally wrong !!! request
                      6. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 50 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        ..which is fundamentally wrong !!!

                        May be. But still hope
                      7. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 07 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        But still hope

                        in vain !! request drinks wassat
                      8. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 18 2020 18: 11 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        in vain !!

                        Time will tell. Not really upset
                  2. Nikolai Korovin
                    Nikolai Korovin April 19 2020 22: 07 New
                    +1
                    In the writings of the classics of Marxism-Leninism, there is a lot that is just. For example, V.I. Lenin quite correctly pointed out that "ideas then become the locomotives of history when they take possession of the masses." Just trace it with a frame and hang it on the wall.
          3. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 07 New
            +8
            Quote: Tatiana
            Anyway, in the West people will see everything.

            and what ??? what you overestimate their mental abilities ... to think independently is a rarity among them !!! wassat laughing
          4. Mouse
            Mouse April 18 2020 18: 40 New
            +6
            Quote: Tatiana
            You cannot escape fate! Anyway, in the West people will see everything.

            Yes, and now they see ... only their eyes are closed for now .... Krajina itself will lift them forever .... wink
        2. ecolog
          ecolog April 19 2020 21: 38 New
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          as if someone there "in the west" is interested in it. for them everything east of Poland is the outskirts of the oikumene, inhabited at best by barbarians and Cossacks.
        3. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 20 2020 00: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: ecolog
          as if someone there "in the west" is interested in it. for them everything east of Poland is the outskirts of the oikumene, inhabited at best by barbarians and Cossacks.

          I think about the Poles they are even worse opinion !!! wink laughing
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 06 New
    +7
    Quote: Tatiana
    As the saying goes, not for Senka hat Monomakh!

    and for whom was there a hat? !! laughing when you are unfinished, anyone will be under-president ... it's soft !!!! wink
  • Yu-81
    Yu-81 April 19 2020 10: 38 New
    -4
    The tricolor was really not an attribute of the Vlasovites; they used the Andreev cross. Although there were attempts to drag the tricolor. From its main owners - the White Guard, which, both in the Civil and in the service of the Nazis, continued to use it as their main symbol. Also their symbol was the St. George ribbon. And now we have the flag of the filthy White Guard - the official flag of the country, and the St. George ribbon - a symbol of Victory over the Nazis ... Surrealism ..
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin April 19 2020 22: 26 New
      +1
      For the first time the tricolor was raised under Alexei Mikhailovich on the first Russian warship "Eagle". Under Peter I, he climbed on warships until 1712, when the Andreevsky flag was adopted, but remained state until April 8, 1918, when, at the suggestion of Ya.M. Sverdlov, the red flag was adopted as the state one. There was, however, a break from 1858 to 1883, when the white-yellow-black flag was adopted. Since he was too close to the flag of the German Empire, Alexander III distanced himself from him and returned the white-blue-red. Under Nicholas II, an explanation was issued that this combination of colors symbolizes the unity of White, Malaya and Great Russia, which is very important for the current political moment. The block of the medal "For Victory over Germany" is covered with a St. George ribbon.
      1. Yu-81
        Yu-81 April 20 2020 19: 03 New
        0
        A block of a medal with the St. George ribbon ...? Are you raving This is a guard tape.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin April 20 2020 20: 57 New
          0
          No, I do not rave. I just looked at my father’s medal, I see - St. George’s ribbon. After this, your post clarified - yes, she is also the Guards, as well as the Order of Glory. I forgot, before, of course, I knew this. Age, you know. The guards tape corresponds exactly to the St. George ribbon according to the statute of 1913 (3 black stripes, 2 orange), introduced in 1941 after the battle of Yelnya and, presumably, was supposed to symbolize the continuity of the traditions of the Red Army and the pre-revolutionary Russian army, which, I think, you You won’t deny it won a number of glorious victories. It should be noted that until 1913 the St. George ribbon had 3 black stripes and 2 golden ones. Thus, the introduction of the Guards Ribbon can be considered as some indirect rehabilitation of the awards of the St. George Knights received during the 2nd World War or, if you like, the 2nd World War II. Although, of course, there was no direction to wear the St. George Crosses, nevertheless, it was some signal for the St. George Knights, who were many in the Red Army. And I note that it is wrong to paint only the Soviet period of the history of Russia exclusively white and recognize only the USSR, completely discarding the rest of Russia's history as unnecessary and depicting it only in black. This point of view was rejected as absolutely incorrect even before the Great Patriotic War. What are the highest military awards in the Soviet Army and Navy? Order of Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov. It seems to me that this is a rather eloquent fact.
          1. Yu-81
            Yu-81 April 21 2020 06: 56 New
            0
            No need to think up and invent anything! There were no St. George ribbons and pads for orders in the USSR. There was a guards tape. And she was part of the horde and nothing more. And she was not a receiver. And the gentlemen of St. George proudly wore their crosses along with the awards of the Soviet Union, no one forbade this.
            And now they’ll just change the concept of this tape as a symbol. The White Guards fascists wore St. George's chevron in the form of the letter V on the sleeve, as a sign of valor in battles with the same Red Army that destroyed these fascists in 1918-1922, and then in 1941-1945.
            The tricolor (I know where and when it appeared) was also an attribute of the White Guard in the Civil and the Great Patriotic War. Go to the Museum of the Red Army in Moscow, where you will see these chevrons from a three-color ribbon and St. George's ribbon.
            And the tricolor on the tape was an integral part of the orders in the ROA.
            Well, here is the material https://youtu.be/Z7JxId0eefA to help you see and think.
  • zenion
    zenion April 19 2020 16: 26 New
    +3
    Exactly the same as Hakenkraits, the Nazi swastika is related to this ancient sign. Previously - it was a sign of the Sun, which rolled through a solid heavenly vault.
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin April 19 2020 22: 45 New
      +1
      It is necessary to distinguish between the swastika "salting" and "anti-salting" (in the direction and counterclockwise). Nazi Germany chose "anti-salinity", thereby compromising it (associated with black color and the forces of darkness). In general, these are ancient Vedic signs, symbolizing "yang" and "yin", respectively, and the form is not some kind of negative attribute. In the Nazi swastika, black has a negative meaning, but not the form. For example, the red swastika "protivosalon" does not cause negative emotions. But black is also generally difficult to do without. Apparently, the black swastika evokes negative emotions solely in connection with the inhuman practices of Nazi Germany, and not in itself.
      1. Yu-81
        Yu-81 April 21 2020 08: 44 New
        0
        Though red, even black, even green. The swastika will forever remain a symbol of fascism. And her attempt to whitewash it is something from the category of unhealthy ...
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A April 18 2020 09: 27 New
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    Quote: syndicalist
    But soon there will be a trial of the Vlasov ROA with the Russian tricolor

    How many times can you, with a saucepan, explain that the difference between the ROA and Bandera is that in our country, the ROA is considered traitors and renegades, while your Bandera is heroes.
    Remember this difference! If the memory is short - write down!
    Tired of repeating the saucepan.

    And further. About the Reichstag. Ukrainians, like all SOVIET SOLDIERS and SOVIET PEOPLE, are directly related to the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag. And what do the punitive and guards of concentration camps from the UPA have to do with the Reichstag? We are the heirs of the Great Victory, and who are you and your Bandera power? The heirs of those who burned Khatyn? Who guarded Auschwitz? You, jumpers, jumped on the Maidan and desovetized your involvement in the Great Victory. You trampled your right to the memory of the Victory together with the memorial plaque to G.K.Zhukov.


    Put your ROA in your Bandera dupole and do not touch our dirty Bandera paws of our Victory.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist April 18 2020 09: 39 New
      -86
      I have nothing to do with Bandera. I am for objectivity. Now the Bandera flag has become the state flag in Ukraine, and the Vlasov tricolor flag in Russia. Moreover, Bandera did not betray anyone, he only defended his homeland and spent the whole war imprisoned in Auschwitz, but did not protect him at all.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 09: 48 New
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        Quote: syndicalist
        and in Russia the Vlasov tricolor.

        Do you really fool ?
        Well, how much to repeat, "Tricolor" appeared long before the traitor
        The Russian tricolor has more than 300 years of history. The national flag in Russia appeared at the turn of the 20th-1705th centuries, at the time when Russia was becoming a powerful state. For the first time the white-blue-red flag was raised on the first Russian warship "Eagle", during the reign of the father of Peter I, Alexei Mikhailovich. Peter I was recognized as the legal "father" of the tricolor. On January XNUMX, XNUMX, he issued a decree according to which "on all kinds of merchant ships" a white-blue-red flag should be raised, he himself drew a pattern and determined the order of the horizontal stripes.

        The flag is not to blame that the traitor fought with him.
        The traitor had nothing to do with the Russian flag
        spent the whole war prisoners at Auschwitz,

        But his followers swore allegiance to Hitler
        only defended his homeland

        From whom?
        1. syndicalist
          syndicalist April 18 2020 10: 02 New
          -61
          Quote: Lipchanin
          From whom?

          Bandera, a native of Galicia, was never a citizen of the USSR and, accordingly, did not betray anyone, but only defended his homeland from invaders, both Soviet and Hitler.
          ... How much to repeat, "Tricolor" appeared long before the traitor

          Duc and swastika also appeared long before Hitler. You can admire the ancient Russian embroideries with this ornament in museums. However, if your collar is so embroidered now, then I will take all of the above back with an apology.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 07 New
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            Quote: syndicalist
            and Hitler’s.

            Where did he defend against the Nazi?
            Name at least one battle of the Nakhtigal battalion against the Nazis
            And from whom did the Bandera Poles defend in Volyn?
            And from whom did Bandera defend themselves by shooting people at Babi Yar?
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist April 18 2020 10: 29 New
              -56
              I repeat once again that Bandera is not an idol for me, but a historical character whose personality is still awaiting objective research, since both Russia and Ukraine have an extremely biased attitude towards him.
              As far as I know, he had nothing to do with Nachtigall. There were many fights with Nazi troops. Here is a link to you, all the facts of which, if desired, can be google in German sources, reports of the Wehrmacht and the German administration
              https://inosmi.ru/social/20170604/239498926.html
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 34 New
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              Quote: syndicalist
              As far as I know, he had nothing to do with Nachtigall.

              How did you not have ??? belay
              And who fought in it ??
              There were many fights with Nazi troops.

              Who fought? Army, division?
              Where? Call at least one place?
              Is Volyn and Babi Yar silent?
            3. syndicalist
              syndicalist April 18 2020 10: 46 New
              -41
              Quote: Lipchanin
              And who fought in it ??

              Nazi collaborators fought. The same as
              Russian liberation army, ROA, one hundred and fifty thousand bayonets !!!

              Volunteer SS regiment "Varyag".
              1-th Russian national brigade SS "Druzhina".
              15-th Cossack Cavalry Corps SS.
              29-I Grenadier Division of the SS "RONA" (1-I Russian).
              30-I Grenadier Division of the SS (2-I Russian).
              36-I Grenadier Division of the SS "Dirlewanger".

              SS guys:
              15 Cossack Russian Corps of the SS FHA-SS- 3 Division, 16 Regiments.
              SS FHA-SS (Military-SS)
              29-I Russian FHA-SS - 6 regiments.
              30th Russian FHA-SS, 1st formation 1944, - 5 regiments
              1-I Russian national brigade SS "Druzhina" - 3 regiment, 12 battalions.
              1-I Guards Brigade ROA "Sonderkomanda Љ113" SD - 1 battalion, 2 companies.
              The brigade of the SS "Center of the anti-Bolshevik struggle" (CPBB) - 3 battalion.
              Reconnaissance and sabotage formation of the Main Team "Russia - Center" of Zeppelin Sonderstaff RSXA-SS - 4 special forces detachment.

              Armed forces of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR) (1 army, 4 corps, 8 divisions, 8 brigades).
              Russian Liberation Army of the Congress of the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (3 divisions, 2 brigades).
              Wehrmacht Russian Liberation Army - 12 security corps, 13 divisions, 30 brigades.
              Russian Liberation People's Army - 5 regiments, 18 battalions.
              Russian National People's Army - 3 regiment, 12 battalions.
              Russian National Army - 2 regiment, 12 battalions.
              KONR Air Force (KONR Aviation Corps) - 87 aircraft, 1 air group, 1 regiment.
              582th security (Russian) corps of the Wehrmacht - 11 battalions.
              583-th security (Estonian-Russian) corps of the Wehrmacht - 10 battalions.
              584th security (Russian) corps of the Wehrmacht - 6 battalions.
              The 590th security Cossack (Russian) Wehrmacht corps - 1 regiment, 4 battalion.
              580-th security Cossack (Russian) Wehrmacht corps - 1 regiment, 9 battalions.
              532th security (Russian) corps of the Wehrmacht - 13 battalions.
              559th security (Russian) corps of the Wehrmacht - 7 battalions.
              Russian Legion "White Cross" of the Wehrmacht - 4 battalion.
              "Special Division" Russia "" by General Smyslovsky - 1 regiment, 12 battalions.
              The team "Graukopf" - "RNNA" of General Ivanov - 1 regiment, 5 battalions.
              442 Special Purpose - 2 ROA Regiment.
              136 Special Purpose - 2 ROA Regiment.
              210 Special-Purpose Stationary Infantry (Coast Defense) - 1 Regiment, 2 Separate Battalion ROA.
              Russian security corps of the Wehrmacht in Serbia - 1 brigade, 5 regiments.
              The Russian “People’s Guard” of the General Commissariat “Moscow” (Rear Area of ​​Army Group “Center”) - 13 battalions, 1 cavalry division.
              15th Mountain Rifle Special Purpose Corps of the 2th Tank Army:
              Russian - 1 security corps, 5 regiments, Croatian - 2 divisions, 6 regiments.
              69th Special Purpose Corps of the 2th Panzer Army: Russians - 1 division, 8 regiments, Croatian - 1 division, 3 regiment.
            4. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 51 New
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              Quote: syndicalist
              . The same as
              Russian liberation army, ROA, one hundred and fifty thousand bayonets !!!

              Shuler, do not distort. I asked which of the Bandera fought against the Nazis
            5. syndicalist
              syndicalist April 18 2020 15: 42 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              Shuler, do not distort. I asked which of the Bandera fought against the Nazis

              In one of the first posts I gave a link
            6. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 15: 54 New
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              Quote: syndicalist
              In one of the first posts I gave a link

              There were no links there.
              This is what amazes me. You do not want to understand the difference in the attitude of the people towards Bandera and Vlasov.
              We hate it.
              You think heroes.
              I saw somewhere in Russia a monument to Vlasov?
              You have DR Bandera national holiday.
              Our nation of traitors despises.
              Your traitors are respected
              Remember the mazepa. betrayed all whom he served. ALL !!!
              You have a hero
              We respect our WWII veterans.
              You humiliate them in every possible way
              I can continue until the morning, d see no use
              You do not want to understand, Mosh Bandera propaganda completely removed
            7. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 31 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: syndicalist
              In one of the first posts I gave a link

              There were no links there.
              This is what amazes me. You do not want to understand the difference in the attitude of the people towards Bandera and Vlasov.
              We hate it.
              You think heroes.
              I saw somewhere in Russia a monument to Vlasov?
              You have DR Bandera national holiday.
              Our nation of traitors despises.
              Your traitors are respected
              Remember the mazepa. betrayed all whom he served. ALL !!!
              You have a hero
              We respect our WWII veterans.
              You humiliate them in every possible way
              I can continue until the morning, d see no use
              You do not want to understand, Mosh Bandera propaganda completely removed

              you decided to argue with something ragul ??? ??? !!! what laughing
            8. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 42 New
              +8
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              you decided to argue with something ragul ??? ??? !!!

              It seems they only understand it
            9. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 50 New
              +7
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              you decided to argue with something ragul ??? ??? !!!

              It seems they only understand it

              in principle, they don’t understand anything ... until they’re in the ATT hundred !!! request wassat
            10. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 53 New
              +6
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              until they are ATT hundred!

              There and the road to them
            11. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 08 New
              +7
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              until they are ATT hundred!

              There and the road to them

              without objections!!! good
            12. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 18: 12 New
              +5
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              without objections!!!

              Yes, just try to argue laughing
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist April 18 2020 19: 33 New
    -21
    Quote: Lipchanin
    There were no links there.

    Go up three posts above - link in place.
    Each nation has its own heroes, who, as a rule, do not coincide with the heroes of neighboring nations. There is nothing surprising. This should be accepted as a historical fact and try to live on. An attempt to "put the final point" will never lead to anything good. This is a dead end. For the Russian people, General Ermolov will always be a hero of the Patriotic War, a glorious commander who won many victories. For Chechens, Dagestanis and Poles, this is a bloody executioner, in whose hands many lives of their compatriots. You can try to demand that they recognize our point of view, as is the case with Bandera, but so far, thank God, people have enough sense not to do this.
    Yes, traitors rarely achieve historical recognition, but to Bandera this stigma, by no means, is molded. He was always a Ukrainian nationalist and never betrayed this idea. The very figure of Bandera was too exaggerated precisely by Russian propaganda, which perfectly showed this discussion, which, as expected, turned to personal insults. The Ukrainians with whom I had to discuss this topic generally relate to Bandera much more equitably, unless of course to find odious characters among them and not try to extrapolate their point of view on the entire population.
  • bang
    bang April 19 2020 02: 39 New
    +4
    "General Ermolov ... For Chechens, Dagestanis and Poles, this is a bloody executioner"
    General Ermolov did not carry out terrorist attacks, he fought openly. The appearance of the city of Grozny is his merit. Such executioner as your executioner make him.
    By the way, but your official hero Bandera, the Poles were imprisoned in the 34th for organizing terrorist attacks. Going to your goal through terrorist attacks is a heroic path? Or is something incomprehensible to you here too?
    The problem of modern Ukraine in search of heroes rests on the absence of these. There are no Ermolaevs of their own, so they are put on Bandera's pedestal. And you, as a patriot, have no choice but to diplomatically justify the "heroes" of your Motherland. The rich they are, the more happy they are.
  • poquello
    poquello April 19 2020 17: 10 New
    0
    Quote: syndicalist
    Yes, traitors rarely achieve historical recognition, but to Bandera this stigma, by no means, is molded. He was always a Ukrainian nationalist and never betrayed this idea.

    in what, but was Benadan there or Chikotilo betraying the idea?
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound April 18 2020 13: 57 New
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    Well, yes, I see it here, I don’t see it here. For us, these are Vlasov creatures, for Banderzians - heroes. And where is the ENTIRE WAR Bandera spent in a concentration camp? Straight all ??? And the fascists kicked him out of the camp for bad behavior? In the SS, this was a straightforward rule - once the anti-fascist went out of Auschwitz (Treblinka, Dachau, Buchenwald, etc., it is necessary to emphasize) You also compare the conditions of this creepy camp sufferer with our prisoners of war. Karbyshev was also kept in comfortable conditions at first, persuading his Motherland to betray, and when he sent him - to remind him how the conditions changed and what ended for him ??? And the photos are archived where they wish health to the Fuhrer and Bandera on the road banners, too, in the net in the public domain - they've never seen it, right ??? Particleboard or top secret ??? So, do not distort, "history lover", do not carry the disgusting broadcast with joy!
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 18 2020 18: 05 New
    -4
    Nazi collaborators fought. The same as
    Russian liberation army, ROA, one hundred and fifty thousand bayonets !!!

    That is why the list banned me that year in VO, calling it a provocateur ....
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 26 New
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    Quote: syndicalist
    https://inosmi.ru/social/20170604/239498926.html

    you would still censor. no dragged here !!! laughing laughing I'll tell you a secret ... inosmi is our resource, which for general development reprints (many inappropriate articles) foreign non-propagandists !!! wink lol in your case inadequate from Ragulsky new time are reprinted !!! laughing
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2020 11: 14 New
    -26
    Quote: Lipchanin
    And from whom did Bandera defend themselves by shooting people at Babi Yar?

    Incompetence is the fate of the under-educated. This is for you, yes, yes. And Bandera’s were shot in Babi Yar. And under-SSovtsy were shot, ALSO from Ukrainian nationalists good ! Do not agree on political views laughing .
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 48 New
    +8
    I repeat the question
    Shuler, do not distort. I asked which of the Bandera fought against the Nazis ????
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 18 2020 15: 57 New
    12
    Quote: revnagan
    In Babi Yar, they shot and including Bandera.

    Who caught stealing from German soldiers
    Do not rub already. The SS were amazed at the atrocities of Bandera
    SS Volyn massacre also arranged?
    I am also a connoisseur of history
  • poquello
    poquello April 19 2020 17: 19 New
    0
    Quote: revnagan
    In Babi Yar, including Bandera’s, were shot. And under-SSovtsy were shot, ALSO from Ukrainian nationalists

    oh, but the Jews don’t even know.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha April 18 2020 10: 09 New
    18
    Well, with the Nazi invaders, he lobbied in the gums, why lie then
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A April 18 2020 10: 25 New
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    Quote: syndicalist
    Bandera, a native of Galicia, was never a citizen of the USSR and, accordingly, did not betray anyone.

    If you call Bandera not a traitor, but a German litter - will it personally become easier for you from such an amendment?
  • major147
    major147 April 18 2020 11: 18 New
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    Quote: syndicalist
    and in Russia the Vlasov tricolor.

    It turns out that if a homosexual wore a hat, then it is "homosexual" !?
  • olegactor
    olegactor April 18 2020 14: 56 New
    +9
    Bandera is a native of Galicia, he was never a citizen of the USSR and, accordingly, did not betray anyone, but only defended his homeland from invaders, both Soviet and Hitler. [B] [/ b]

    THIS CITIZEN ELIMINATED AS A DOG .... EVEN PROTECTION OF HANSES DID NOT HELP ... dog death by dog
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 18 2020 15: 45 New
    +8
    It is precisely that he was a native of Galicia ... of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. And it turns out that his homeland is not even Ukraine.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 17 New
    +6
    Quote: syndicalist
    Bandera is a native of Galicia, a citizen of the USSR has never been

    Well, why did he defend kakyandii ??? what laughing
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2020 11: 10 New
    -16
    Quote: Lipchanin
    "Tricolor" appeared long before the traitor

    So the flag of modern Ukraine appeared long before the blenders, and was later adopted by the nationalists as the "state" flag of Ukraine.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf April 18 2020 15: 23 New
      -2
      The point is who "rules" under this flag.
  • Magog
    Magog April 18 2020 12: 23 New
    -25
    For the first time the white-blue-red flag was raised on the first Russian warship "Eagle", during the reign of the father of Peter I, Alexei Mikhailovich.
    This statement is not as categorical as it follows from the above quote. There are no reliable images of the "Eagle" with the tricolor in nature, and modern reconstructions reflect the false history of Russia invented under the Romanovs. The appearance of the tricolor flag in the merchant fleet of Romanov Muscovy is documented, and is the result of the activities of the impostor tsar - the destroyer of Russian imperial traditions - the so-called. "Peter 1", popularly nicknamed "Antichrist". The tradition of impostors in power continues to this day, therefore the corresponding symbolism is in the price ...
  • den3080
    den3080 April 18 2020 12: 51 New
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    Vlasov was hanged as a traitor to the Motherland,
    and the bloody fascist henchman Bandera was given the hero of Ukraine ... and they named the streets, erected monuments and more.
    that’s the whole difference.
    and as long as this is so, I personally will have neither respect nor pity for the “poor Ukrainian people”, who for 30 years, time after time, have elected to their rulers the followers of Bandera / Shukhevych and the like fascist scum, including the last clown .
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 10 New
      13
      But the most interesting, but for some reason they have traitors to the heroes of the nation.
      Mazepa betrayed all whom he served, hera
      1. Machito
        Machito April 18 2020 16: 46 New
        +6
        Most importantly, all the heroes of UkroReich are losers. No one achieved anything but betrayal and defeat.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A April 18 2020 10: 12 New
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    Quote: syndicalist
    in Russia Vlasov tricolor

    The tricolor is not Vlasov, but “the flag of the Tsar of Moscow” raised by Peter the Great in 1693, and subsequently, in 1705, officially adopted as the flag of the Russian merchant fleet
    a flag was set that was to be raised "on all kinds of merchant ships that go along the Moscow River and along the Volga and along the Dvina and along other rivers and streams for the sake of trade”

    Do not learn history, so at least read Wikipedia, you are our "objective" ...

    Go to .... ukrosayty. They will support you there, "Bandera did not change, Bandera is for independence and Bandera is a hero in general." With a hole.
    The 1st Ukrainian Front defended their homeland. And Bandera served the invaders.



    Enough about the "freedom fighter" Bandera? Or even read the Ukrainian newspapers of those times?

    And further.
    Quote: syndicalist
    I have nothing to do with Bandera.

    Bandera is not necessarily the one who jumped with a pan on his head on the Maidan. And it is not even necessary to live in Kiev to be a Bandera. We, unfortunately, have such a dime a dozen even in Moscow - different Gozman-Amnuel-Okar ...
    Muller in that great movie what did he say?
    As soon as instead of the word “hello” they say “hail” to someone’s personal address - you know, they are waiting for us there, from there we will begin our great rebirth! ”

    Idem.
    As soon as someone begins to justify the executioner and collaborator Bandera - so Bandera's ideas grow with renewed vigor. In Ukraine, spiked with riotous color.
    Not your holiday Victory Day. Yours - Hitler's Birthday (photos above).
    1. stalki
      stalki April 18 2020 10: 20 New
      19
      Enough about the "freedom fighter" Bandera? Or do we also read Ukrainian newspapers of those times?
      Ah well done, good slap in the face good
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 27 New
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        Quote: stalki
        Ah well done, good slap in the face

        And what's the use?
        So at least write, eyes, you still won’t get
        1. stalki
          stalki April 18 2020 10: 32 New
          10
          And what's the use?
          So at least write, eyes, you still won’t get
          Not no, there’s no sense, you always need to show the similar in which cesspool they should be having an anti-human worldview and where they will be shoved as soon as they raise their heads next to us.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 44 New
          10
          Quote: stalki
          Not not no, there’s no sense, you always have to show the similar in which cesspool they should be having an anti-human worldview

          The mind is currently shown 52 times.
          And what's the use?
        3. stalki
          stalki April 18 2020 10: 51 New
          +8
          The mind is currently shown 52 times.
          And what's the use?
          Everything has a trace, especially a word. Somewhere there is a war in the hot phase, somewhere in the cold. It will never end. Accordingly, do not leave such dirt unattended. It is not even a matter of this subject, it is a matter of action and reaction. And in the public perception of the situation as a whole.
    2. gurzuf
      gurzuf April 18 2020 15: 29 New
      +3
      Nothing! Being will determine the consciousness of the lost. Definitely determine.
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2020 11: 24 New
    -14
    Well, in the occupied territory of the Russian Federation, Russian nationalists printed newspapers with the glorification of Hitler.



    What the master ordered, the lackeys wrote, and what comes of this? The Russian people in the occupied territory sharply fell in love with the occupiers and without exception everyone became traitors? Good slap in the face, right?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 18 2020 11: 46 New
      18
      Quote: revnagan
      Well, in the occupied territory of the Russian Federation, Russian nationalists printed newspapers with the glorification of Hitler.
      What the master ordered, the lackeys wrote, and what comes of this? The Russian people in the occupied territory sharply fell in love with the occupiers and without exception everyone became traitors? Good slap in the face, right?

      Once again, for the "especially intelligent".

      We have THESE - traitors, renegades and criminals. In our country, nobody makes THESE posthumously heroes, does not erect monuments to them. We spit in them.
      And in Ukraine, Hitler's minions - an absolutely toxic character in world history - are national heroes.

      Understand the difference finally and stop us in response to Bandera poke our traitors. After the war, we hung them, shot them, put them in camps. And Ukraine makes Hitler's henchmen heroes.


      When will all of the pan-and-panheads, both ours and Ukrainian, reach this simple difference? Well, you can’t be so stupid not to see a simple difference ...

      Yes, in the occupied territories and in the RSFSR, pro-fascist rags were published. So who let them out - at least served time. And in today's Ukraine, the one who shouted "Heil Hitler!" - heroes of Ukraine. Monuments are erected to them and in schools children are taught by their example ...
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 18 2020 11: 48 New
        -28
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        We have THESE - traitors, renegades and criminals. In our country, nobody makes THESE posthumously heroes, does not erect monuments to them. We spit in them.

        Yeah, making THEIR FLAG THE STATE FLAG OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. You either remove the cross or put on your underpants hi .
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 15 New
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        So the rainbow is to blame for the fact that the buggers chose it as their symbol?
        Because of the traitor who chose the "tricolor" as his flag, should we abandon our history?
        Something you do not rush Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station named after V.I. To destroy Lenin
      3. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 15: 55 New
        +6
        Something you are not in a hurry Zaporozhye HPP named after V.I. Lenin to destroy .... Seryoga you will not believe, she herself will soon collapse. there is no tanga for repair. the puppeteers themselves from the heroes poke their fingers at them. "Look at what leaks from the dam." gami bears
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 47 New
        +4
        Well ... with this Zaporozhye laughing
        Although the beautiful city was laughing
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 19: 15 New
      -10
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Something you do not rush Zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power station named after V.I. To destroy Lenin

      So then you destroyed the Soviet factories ... Mama Do not Cry. So Ukraine is on the honorable, 2nd place. Yes, and the collapse of the USSR was launched from the RSFSR. You won’t throw words out of the song. And strategic things are working for you, too.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 18 2020 16: 00 New
    +7
    It turns out, by your logic, that the flag of France is the flag of the SS Charlemagne division? In addition, the tricolor was banned from use as a symbol in the ROA, it was allowed to be raised 2-3 times at parades. On the uniform of the Vlasovites was the Andreevsky flag, to ban it too?
  • VLD
    VLD April 18 2020 16: 06 New
    +4
    ugh ... are you a woodpecker? ((
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 April 18 2020 21: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: revnagan
    making THEIR FLAG THE STATE FLAG OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

    Another one with a delay-rotten rushing ... However, cycloids, and besides, not far ... request
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 18 2020 11: 55 New
    +9
    Quote: revnagan
    The Russian people in the occupied territory sharply fell in love with the occupiers and without exception, everyone became traitors?


    And this is how our mothers and grandmothers met the invaders.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 11 New
    +9
    Quote: revnagan
    RF Russian nationalists printed newspapers with the glorification of Hitler.

    They were tried and shot.
    An example of executions of banderlogs?
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 19 2020 11: 14 New
      -3
      Quote: Lipchanin
      An example of executions of banderlogs?

      So there is already in the subject photographs of the hanged in 1946. Are you few?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 18 2020 11: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Not your holiday Victory Day. Yours - Hitler's Birthday
    This is our holiday.

    But this is theirs.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 18 2020 11: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But this is theirs.

      Why does the Ukrainian in the bottom picture look like a man?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 18 2020 12: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Why does the Ukrainian in the bottom picture look like a man?

        Well, yes they have such women, not I gave birth to them.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Why does the Ukrainian in the bottom picture look like a man?

        They didn’t take to the panel, went to the field laughing
    2. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 11: 58 New
      -3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But this is theirs.

      Ih. Their, Galichansky holiday. And they have no relation to the whole Ukraine, although they temporarily occupied it (not without the tacit consent of some, and this is not only the population of Ukraine).
  • Hourly
    Hourly April 18 2020 13: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    The tricolor is not Vlasov, but “the flag of the Tsar of Moscow” raised by Peter the Great in 1693, and subsequently, in 1705, officially adopted as the flag of the Russian merchant fleet

    All right soldier ..! Well, the point is not in the flag, as you wrote above correctly ..
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Bandera is not necessarily the one who jumped with a pan on his head on the Maidan. And it is not even necessary to live in Kiev to be a Bandera. We, unfortunately, have such a dime a dozen even in Moscow - different Gozman-Amnuel-Okar ...
    Muller in that great movie what did he say?

    Everything is just like that Soldier !! And also the film sunk into the soul of the Soviet "Eternal Call" more .. The prophecy then came true Lokhnovsky, almost ..

    A good lesson to us Russian and Russia !!!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein April 18 2020 10: 31 New
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    Bandera was neither a citizen of the USSR nor a citizen of Ukraine. He was a Polish citizen. And he fouled Poland to the best of his ability. Bader, Melnik, Orliki Bulba-Borovets killed the Minister of Internal Affairs of Poland Peratsky, killed in Lviv a Pole professor who taught at Lviv University with his wife and five children. For the first 10 days of the occupation of Lviv, the Germans did not make more than one execution - everything was done by the nationalists ... The shobla ukrodeyateli ended up in a concentration camp for damp dreams of an independent Ukraine, which Hitler gave them and who tried to create a government of Ukraine. The Germans separated Western Ukraine and created the Galicia district with the capital in Rovno (the Fuehrer of the district was Erich Koch), and the rest of Ukraine was called the governorship. Dreamers of non-foreign affairs did not read Mein Kampf at all or did not read it at all. And Hitler wrote there directly that we needed Ukrainian chernozems. And Bandera was sitting there in a special block with special meals and women, he worked on the selection of personnel for the Abwehr. In 1944 he was released and taught at Abverstell-202. After the war he ended up in Munich and worked for the OSS (CIA). So which homeland did Bandera defend? Out of 32,4 million soldiers and officers in the Red Army, 6,5 million Ukrainians fought during the entire war. Another 6 million in the evacuation forged Victory in the rear. About 0,5 million passed through the nationalist formations plus the SS Galicia division. Feel the difference.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 18 2020 11: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Bandera was neither a citizen of the USSR, nor a citizen of Ukraine. He was a citizen of Poland.
      I do not like Wikepidia, but it will do.
      Stepan Andreevich Bandera was born on January 1, 1909 in the Galician village of Old Ugrinov, on the territory of the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. His father, Andrei Mikhailovich Bandera, was a Greek Catholic clergyman, who came from a family of Strysh bourgeois farmers Mikhail and Rosalia Bander.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein April 18 2020 13: 50 New
        +1
        It was only after the destruction of Austria-Hungary that Old Ugrinov became the territory of Poland, like all Volyn, Ternopol, Stanislavsky (Ivano-Frankivsk), Rivne, Lviv regions became the territory of Poland.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 18 2020 12: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      In 1944 he was released and taught at Abverstell-202. After the war he ended up in Munich and worked for the OSS (CIA).

      And now it was made a "saint" - this is a church (it can be hard to see) but look closely.
    3. Hourly
      Hourly April 18 2020 14: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Bandera was neither a citizen of the USSR, nor a citizen of Ukraine. He was a citizen of Poland. And Poland dirty to the best of his ability. Badera, Melnyk, Orlyka Bulba-Borovets killed the Polish Minister of the Interior Peratsky, destroyed a Polish professor in Lviv who taught at Lviv University with his wife and five children. For the first 10 days of the occupation of Lviv, the Germans did not execute more than one execution - all were done by nationalists . In the concentration camp of the shoble of ukrodeyatelov got into wet dreams of an independent Ukraine, which Hitler gave them and who tried to create a government of Ukraine. The Germans separated Western Ukraine and created the Galicia district with the capital in Rivne (the Fuhrer of the district was Erich Koch), and the rest of Ukraine was called

      And why don't you describe all this with evidence in your Jewish publications? boris epstein?
      And here we are in Russia shooting back from the Natsiks .. And you bomb Israel all of Syria! Here is the goal .. wink Are you silent
    4. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 19 2020 00: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: boris epstein
      . In the concentration camp of the shobla, ukrodeyatelov got for wet dreams of an independent Ukraine, which Hitler gave them and who tried to create the government of Ukraine ....

      I very much agree with you and add: in the internal documents of the NSDD, which are only for the Germans, there are instructions in every possible way to encourage nationalist sentiments, but at the same time there is no talk of creating their own states - only protectorates; there are no governments or other attributes of independence. This fact is unprincipledly ignored by nationalists of all stripes in the former republics of the Union. It’s advantageous for this pun to represent all sorts of bandera 'fighters', even those who were sitting ...
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    1. Hourly
      Hourly April 18 2020 14: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: mark1
      Quote: syndicalist
      I have nothing to do with Bandera.

      You are a snout face ...

      laughing good He laughed heartily .. crying
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf April 18 2020 14: 27 New
    +8
    I didn't get it. So in your opinion the "tricolor" is Vlasov's invention? And say you’re not a pothead. For a "prisoner" in a concentration camp I will not even discuss it. I won't go to the level of the pan-head.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 18 2020 14: 39 New
    +8
    Quote: syndicalist
    Moreover, Bandera did not betray anyone, he only defended his homeland and spent the whole war imprisoned in Auschwitz,

    Gee gee gee! Bandera was a Polish citizen, recruited by Abwehr, and conducted terrorist activities. He received a death sentence for the murder of a Polish policeman, from which the German army saved him.
    Bandera was sent to Ukraine as a full-time employee of the German administration, and noted the statement about the need to destroy 80% of Ukrainians. For the complete happiness of the remaining servants, 20%.
    For uncontrollability and homosexuality (which was not welcomed in the German administration), he was sent to work at a concentration camp, where he performed some grassroots administrative functions.
    When the German army retreated from Ukraine, he was returned to the state of Abwehr and transferred to Ukraine for sabotage.
    After fleeing to Germany, he received citizenship, was recognized as a German soldier, and until the end of his life, in Munich, received a state pension.
    So Bandera is a Pole who worked all his life for Germany. What patriotism is there ... A typical chain dog.
  • 16329
    16329 April 18 2020 15: 04 New
    +6
    Bandera was a citizen of Poland, and was born in Austria-Hungary, which homeland did he defend?
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 12 New
    +7
    Quote: syndicalist
    I have nothing to do with Bandera. I am for objectivity. Now the Bandera flag has become the state flag in Ukraine, and the Vlasov tricolor flag in Russia. Moreover, Bandera did not betray anyone, he only defended his homeland and spent the whole war imprisoned in Auschwitz, but did not protect him at all.

    Dimon, do not abuse Raguli history books !!! wink laughing
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 13 New
    10
    Quote: syndicalist
    I have nothing to do with Bandera.

    have a direct, do not be discouraged !!! wink wassat
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 17: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Nikolai the Greek
      have a direct, do not be discouraged !!!

      Banderloch ears stick out from everywhere
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        have a direct, do not be discouraged !!!

        Banderloch ears stick out from everywhere

        See, Svidamye already does not distinguish, GDK ukroresurs, and where is Russian !!! lol
  • siemens7774
    siemens7774 April 18 2020 17: 49 New
    +5
    a syndicalist, you don’t know the story either. Bandera didn’t get to a concentration camp for the whole war, but before the beginning of 1942 .. And he got because he had gathered a meeting in Kiev without the permission of Berlin and announced the creation of the state of Ukraine. After a shout from Berlin he refused to annul this document. Instead, they put Shukhevych, and his brothers were handed over to the Polish communists in a concentration camp. And they destroyed the brothers. After that, Bandera annulled the decision and organized a headquarters in Berlin on 11. Hauptstrasse 1942. in 2, from where he commanded the UPA. He could not defend his homeland in any way. Since he was an agent of Abwehr with the call sign Consul XNUMX.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 18 2020 18: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: syndicalist
    I am for objectivity. Now in Ukraine state became Bandera flag, and in Russia Vlasov tricolor.

    And I did not know that Peter I, for the Vlasov rabble, took the tricolor as the flag of the merchant fleet, I think Vlasov himself was surprised at your "wise" fabrications ...
    The Russian tricolor has more than 300 years of history. The national flag in Russia appeared at the turn of the XVII-XVIII centuries, in the era of the emergence of Russia as a powerful state. For the first time, the white-blue-red flag was raised on the first Russian warship "Eagle", during the reign of the father of Peter I, Alexei Mikhailovich. Peter I was recognized as the legal "father" of the tricolor. On January 20, 1705, he issued a decree according to which "on all kinds of merchant ships" the white-blue-red flag should be raised, he drew a pattern and determined the order of the horizontal stripes.

    https://ria.ru/20130822/957708240.html
    The extraordinary session of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR 22 of August 1991 decided to consider the official symbol of Russia is the tricolor. The Decree of the President of the Russian Federation on 11 December 1993 of the year approved the Regulations on the national flag of the Russian Federation.

    ibid.
    Accordingly, the current flag of the Russian Federation became the state flag on 22.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX, and before that, it never was the state flag of the Republic of Ingushetia, the RSFSR or the USSR ...
    ... but it was a national flag, but it was forbidden to use it together with the state ....
    On September 8 (21), the emperor ordered the use of the new flag to be used only for “decorating patriotic paintings and publications”, wearing the badge “in private life and at permitted patriotic meetings”, and also in the same cases as a hand flag ( the dimensions “no more than four vertices in length, three vertices wide with a pole not longer than seven vertices”), it was also stipulated that to decorate buildings on special days and in all other cases when it is allowed to raise a flag or carry it in a procession, it should be used an exclusively white-blue-red national flag, and the raising of a new flag-symbol containing the imperial standard was not allowed in these cases

    Circular of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Empire on the use of the flag of unity of the tsar with the people (September 1914) // RGIA, f. 1284, op. 238 units 103, l. 144
    The colors of the national flag were used in the trading companies of the Republic of Ingushetia, its colors became a symbol of recognition of the Air Force of the Republic of Ingushetia, etc.

    Judging by your logic, the foundation of this state flag was not the emblems of the ROA, but the formations of the former Republic of Ingushetia fighting under the command of Antonov, Kolchak, Wrangel ....

    As for the history of the modern Ukrainian flat, then:
    Myths about the origin of Ukraine and the Ukrainians. Myth 3. Historically foreign flag of Ukraine

    https://topwar.ru/147170-mify-i-podlogi-o-proishozhdenii-ukrainy-i-ukraincev-mif-3-istoricheski-inorodnyj-flag-ukrainy.html
  • cat Rusich
    cat Rusich April 18 2020 20: 25 New
    +3
    Historical note (for schoolchildren): Stepan Andreevich Bandera was born on 01.01.1909 in the village of Stary Ugrinov, the kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Austria-Hungary - "went to the other world" on 15.02.1959 Munich, Germany. Member of the OUN since 1929 (member of the UVO since 1928). In 1934 he was arrested by the Polish authorities for TERRORIST activities and sentenced to death, commuted to life imprisonment. Released in September 1939 in connection with the beginning of WWII. He moved to the territory occupied by the Germans in February 1940, created the OUN (b). In 1940-1941 he organized a nationalist underground for the uprising in the USSR. For "amateur performance" - an unauthorized attempt to proclaim "independent and independent Ukraine" was placed under house arrest by the Germans, sent at the beginning of 1942 to Sachsenhausen, released by the leadership of the 3rd Reich in September 1944. In 1946-53 and 1956-59 he headed the OUN (the common name of the Bandera organizations). Citizenship of Austria-Hungary and Poland 1918-1939 What homeland did "Matvey Gordon" (S. Bandera's pseudonym) defend?
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 19 2020 00: 45 New
    +1
    And the eagle is a symbol of the FSA so why now all eagles rush to shame to rush to the ground? request
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2020 11: 05 New
    -24
    [quote = Zoldat_A] we have the ROA considered traitors and renegades [/ quote]
    Why, then, the national flag of Russia is the flag of the ROA? And there is no need to poke a post from above, where they compare the rainbow and the symbol of gay people. I'm talking about the symbols, about the attributes of the state and power. And they are identical between the Vlasovites and the modern Russian Federation. Specifically, the same flags. Further, if you consider the Vlasovites as traitors and renegades, then why does your government behave under the Vlasov flag like the Vlasovites destroy all the Soviet legacy (industry, factories, memory, make anti-Soviet films)? Destroy Soviet education, keep money in Western banks? Personally, you can consider Vlasov a traitor, as in Ukraine, not everyone considers the blyander a "hero". But the politics of your elite is nothing no better than Ukrainian or American.
    [quote = Zoldat_A] Put your ROA in your Bandera dupa [quote = Zoldat_A]
    Well, no, ROA is exactly yours (flag then, flag!) stop , and shove it yourself.

    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 18 2020 12: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: revnagan
      I’m talking about symbols, about the attributes of the state and power. And they are identical among the Vlasovites and the modern RF.

      Well then, and the swastika, in your opinion, Hitler? But this is far from the case. Well, if you wear pants made in Germany, this does not mean that you are German, well, if you drink whiskey, but for moonshine (if you have enough money), then you are not a subject of Her Majesty.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan April 18 2020 12: 07 New
        -13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well then, and the swastika, in your opinion, Hitler? But this is far from the case.

        In this case, the current state flag of Ukraine is not Petlyura and not Bandera, right?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 20 New
          +6
          But who about the flag, what did he say?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 19 New
      +8
      Quote: revnagan
      .And they are identical for Vlasovites and the modern RF. Specifically the same flags.

      Should we abandon our history because of the traitor and change the flag?
      Come up with a new one?
      When I wrote, I thought?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 18 2020 11: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    How many times can you, the pan-cooker, explain that the difference between the ROA and Bandera is that in our country the ROA is considered traitors and renegades, and your Bandera is heroes.

    Ukraine 1941.

    Kiev 1946 Bandera.
  • page
    page April 19 2020 21: 17 New
    0
    What do you want to say, but I fully support Zoldat_A (Igor) !!!
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 29 New
    16
    Quote: syndicalist
    But soon there will be a trial of the Vlasov ROA with the Russian tricolor

    Soon the trial of these will be
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 11: 27 New
      -16
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Soon the trial of these will be

      laughing laughing laughing Are you probably kidding? Trial? Over "our Ukrainian partners?" good .I haven’t laughed so long ago.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 24 New
        10
        Quote: revnagan
        Over "our Ukrainian partners?

        Yours.
        Our president has never called the prezikloun a "partner"
        He did not even congratulate him on his election
        1. atalef
          atalef April 18 2020 13: 27 New
          -14
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Our president has never called the prezikloun a "partner"
          He did not even congratulate him on his election

          and it deprived him of legitimacy?
          And who then did Putin meet with?
          The first meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky took place in Paris.

          December 9
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 41 New
            11
            Quote: atalef
            and it deprived him of legitimacy?

            What does it have to do with it?
            The conversation didn’t seem to be talking about this, but that the President never said that.
            "our Ukrainian partners?"

            Well, about that.
            The first meeting of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky took place in Paris.

            Was this an official visit?
            How to distort well learned.
            1. atalef
              atalef April 18 2020 13: 44 New
              -16
              Quote: Lipchanin
              What does it have to do with it?

              and this?
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Our president has never called the prezikloun a "partner"

              Quote: Lipchanin
              Was this an official visit?

              no, they met in the gateway fool

              Quote: Lipchanin
              How to distort well learned.

              are you about yourself
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 58 New
              +9
              Quote: atalef
              no, they met in the gateway

              Ohhhh, I have to explain it on my fingers
              Do you know the difference between an official visit and a meeting at the summit?
              Negotiations between the leaders of the two countries took place after the summit in the "Normandy format"

              He did not invite him to his place.
              are you about yourself

              About you.
            3. atalef
              atalef April 18 2020 14: 03 New
              -11
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Ohhhh, I have to explain it on my fingers
              Do you know the difference between an official visit and a meeting at the summit?

              no, I don’t see, they don’t meet with illegitimate people and they don’t carry on telephone conversations.
              maybe Putin does not call Zelensky president of Ukraine? - calls.
              So what else do you want?
              Quote: Lipchanin
              He did not invite him to his place.

              what's the difference?
              The coronovirus does not recognize Lukashenko - this does not mean that he (the virus) does not exist.
            4. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 14: 13 New
              +8
              Quote: atalef
              no, I don’t see, they don’t meet with illegitimate

              It was a SUMMIT.
              In addition to the pre-clown, there were the heads of Germany and France.
              This is not an official friendly visit by the heads of state.
              It was a WORKING meeting on the Minsk agreements. It was impossible not to come to her, since we signed these agreements
              no, I don’t see, they don’t meet with illegitimate people and they don’t carry on telephone conversations.

              Again jerked laughing
              This is when Putin said that he was illegitimate? laughing
              When was the last time he spoke to him?
              Who was the initiator of the conversations?
              maybe Putin does not call Zelensky president of Ukraine?

              Cool in a jump pereobulsya good laughing
              Whose words are these?
              A trial? Over "our Ukrainian partners?"

              Where is it about the president?
            5. atalef
              atalef April 18 2020 14: 21 New
              -11
              Quote: Lipchanin
              It was a SUMMIT.
              In addition to the pre-clown, there were the heads of Germany and France.

              it’s interesting somehow - such presidents of great countries and invited someone?
              Preclown belay
              and why are they talking to him?
              belay
              Quote: Lipchanin
              It was a WORKING meeting on the Minsk agreements. It was impossible not to come to her, since we signed these agreements

              OK . ok - but what did Zelensky do there and in whose capacity?
              Quote: Lipchanin
              This is when Putin said that he was illegitimate?

              here I am about that --- legitimate
              Quote: Lipchanin
              When was the last time he spoke to him?
              Who was the initiator of the conversations?

              Google to help, and who was the initiator? who cares.
              So you call - they won’t answer you, you know why?
              because you are not legitimate, even if you’re not a clown in the past.
              And he is legitimate - that's why they talk to him - whether you like it or not
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Where is it about the president?

              do not consider it an insult, but it does not cause anything else
            6. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 18 2020 14: 41 New
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              it’s interesting somehow - such presidents of great countries and invited someone?
              Preclown

              Really fool
              He is a representative of the country that signed the Minsk Agreement
              here I am about that --- legitimate

              So no one spoke about legitimacy.
              The conversation turned to "partners"
              Legitimacy you have sailed not to the village not to the city
              what's the difference.

              HUGE laughing
              Putin doesn't need it for vegetables, but the prezikloun needs it, otherwise he wouldn't call. My "classics" are full of "friends"
              So I don’t need them and I don’t write to them laughing
              I'm tired of you poking around in your coups and shoes changing your nose and telling basic things like these
              it’s interesting somehow - such presidents of great countries and invited someone?
              Prezikluna belay
              and why are they talking to him?

              OK . ok - but what did Zelensky do there and in whose capacity?

              And let me remind you where the conversation began
              Over "our Ukrainian partners?"

              But what are you dragging legitimacy ???? request
              Okay bye.
              Do not be sick, remember, the crown on the alert, you won’t have time to change shoes laughing
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 18 2020 19: 18 New
    -5
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Our president has never called the prezikloun a "partner"

    Here are just a photo of this-time Poroshenko, what to do with it wink ?
  • major147
    major147 April 18 2020 12: 04 New
    +7
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Soon the trial of these will be

    And faster than everyone thinks! Against the background of spring exacerbation, here is such news:

    As the ex-deputy head of the SBU, Gennady Moskal, said on the television program “Freedom of Speech with Savik Shuster”, Kiev has already been flooded with “green men” - agents of the GRU of Russia.
    According to him, a lot of people have concentrated in the Ukrainian capital, who, by order of the Kremlin, are ready to put on their uniforms and head to the government buildings.
    According to Moskal, these “green men”, when an order is received from Moscow, will put on their uniforms and come to the building of the Security Service of Ukraine, the building of the presidential administration, and even to this studio.
    He also added that these people were sent by the 5th intelligence department, and these people really are in Kiev. They got married, go to work, now they are in quarantine. They each have a mobile phone to which they will receive SMS, and then they will go out into the street.

    What !!!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: major147
      What !!!

      Well, at least once I told the truth lol
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 18 2020 12: 15 New
    +5
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Soon the trial of these will be

    That something like this.

  • Comrade
    Comrade April 19 2020 01: 47 New
    +1
    In Ukraine today they live in alternative reality, where UPA fighters and Red Army soldiers defeated Germany by joint efforts. And there really many of the youth believe that it was so.
    Are standing Bandera and a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, signed in Ukrainian: "Winners of Nazism."
  • cost
    cost April 18 2020 08: 33 New
    18
    Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

    Red or what?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 43 New
      12
      Quote: Rich
      Red or what?

      With a sickle and a hammer.
      At the beginning of the "Faberge" they will cut him off with a sickle, and then hammer nails into his coffin
    2. major147
      major147 April 18 2020 11: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Rich
      Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

      Red or what?

      No, "rainbow"!
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 18 2020 08: 34 New
    10
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: knn54
    Maybe he still wants to get a Hero of Ukraine "for this"? It's not funny at all.

    It’s funny when it’s funny. But it’s not at all funny when a politician confuses the scene with the presidency.
    And it’s not at all funny when it comes to war

    And in Ukraine there is nothing funny at all ... The Chernobyl fire cannot be extinguished !!! And they dream of coming out with a flag over Donetsk and Sevastopol ... I watched materials about the extinguishing of the fire of the "red" Chernobyl forest ... Fire engines are ancient zilki ... In Russia, if there are such, I don't even know where ... Bridge across the Dnieper have been building for twenty years ... We managed to build the Crimean Bridge, And we did a lot more ... And there they decided to give up the land ... True, our apologists for the communist collapse of Russia have become more active ... Maidan ... Analogies suggest themselves. And they and ours work out cookies ... Even our phrases are the same as those of the patriots coming out --- "Skrepyshi, putinoids, tsarok" ...! And in the Communist Party of Russia they cannot deal with the leader .. Zyuganov outlived Yeltsin !!! They cannot choose a real Communist leader for themselves ... Previously, if an officer was a Communist, they put him on display ..- "You, you cannot put things in order with your own wife, but you were put in charge of people ...!" And here in the party they cannot put things in order ... Put a worthy leader!
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 18 2020 09: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: 30 vis
      They cannot put out the Chernobyl fire !!!

      And this is not very scary. After the accident, everything was cleaned up, and the remains of cesium and strontium half-dissolved.
      Quote: 30 vis
      And dream of coming out of the flag

      He does not dream, but tries to gain political points from the National Bolsheviks, as Poroshenko once did. Why does he need the National Bolsheviks? Then, that the population is turning away from it, and the IMF has firmly taken it for Faberge, it is necessary to transfer control of the banking system to them and to sell Ukrainian zemlyotska, abundantly watered with the blood of Soviet people. Not long left for him, be patient.
      Quote: 30 vis
      Zyuganov sat out Yeltsin!

      Well, Zyuganov didn't drink that much. And I did not experience such stresses - is it a joke, to stand "face" against the Emergency Committee with all the consequences. I could lose my face, freedom, and life - this does not pass without a trace for the body ...
  • tagil
    tagil April 18 2020 09: 15 New
    +7
    It’s funny when it’s funny. But it’s not at all funny when a politician confuses the scene with the presidency.
    A politician is a person who has chosen politics by his work and step by step for many years goes up the political ladder. And this president was born a clown, lived a clown and bury him under the laughter of colleagues from the 95th quarter.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 09: 23 New
      +6
      In one word, RISE
  • Altona
    Altona April 18 2020 10: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    It’s funny when it’s funny. But it’s not at all funny when a politician confuses the scene with the presidency.
    And it’s not at all funny when it comes to war

    -----------------------
    Zelenskiy followed the familiar beaten path of raising his rating. It is always a "spirit-lifting" "small victorious war". I don't see any more reasons for his statements.
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Lipchanin
    But it’s not at all funny when a politician confuses the scene with the presidency.

    there the country was confused with an incomprehensible territorial entity !!! request
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka April 18 2020 19: 54 New
    +1
    He didn't mess up anything. He was put on stage, playing the president. He faithfully plays this role, according to the script. I don’t understand your misunderstanding, everything lies on the surface. He himself agreed to this role, apparently they promised something completely, for him, cosmic. All one is deceived.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent April 18 2020 07: 26 New
    +7
    Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag
    Quote: knn54
    Maybe he still wants to get a Hero of Ukraine "for this"? It's not funny at all.


    We will not interfere with him in this ... Even help yes tooltip wink .



    WHERE STILL IS OPPORTUNITYlet him raise his rag in Pavlograd(Dnepropetrovsk region), which is also part of the Donbass fellow
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 18 2020 09: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Insurgent
      Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

      Will such an option suit him?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 36 New
        14
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Will such an option suit him?

        In the meantime, such lol
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich April 18 2020 07: 30 New
    +3
    Such "heroes" receive two meters of land
  • Finches
    Finches April 18 2020 08: 31 New
    10
    Zelensky needs to solve today not political, but economic problems of Ukraine! And his internal and external forces are systematically dragging him to a political swamp where he has no trump cards and chances, in order to sweep away ... in the eyes of voters and again bring to power his children from the clan of Russophobic nationalists - this is a run-in trick! Zelensky does not have experience and support - and he does not understand what he is talking about, more and more losing public confidence! He does not have a professional team - so young clowns from the big top who think that to lead the country are just like playing strategy on a computer!

    Everything is clear with Ukraine - there is no pivot of statehood in the mentality of the people, which means that this territory will always be a bargaining chip in the geostrategic games of big uncles until the moment when Ukrainians grow wiser and join Russia or cease to exist along the Dnieper watershed!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: Finches
      And his internal and external forces are systematically dragging him to a political swamp where he has no trump cards and chances,

      Where is he not boom boom at all? negative
    2. Altona
      Altona April 18 2020 10: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      Zelensky needs to solve today not political, but economic problems of Ukraine! And his internal and external forces are systematically dragging him to a political swamp where he has no trump cards and chances

      ----------------------
      Zhen, internal problems are the Achilles heel of any bourgeois president. It is necessary to preserve the interests of the ruling class, and here is the impoverished electorate, who already has nothing to fool their brains with. The president in a bourgeois state is a doll. Broke down? Bring a new one. And in order to distract the people from the inner disorder, it is necessary to offer something "spiritually uplifting" - sports performances, a small war or something like that.
      1. Finches
        Finches April 19 2020 08: 51 New
        0
        hi The problems are different - the economic problems of Germany and the economic problems of Ukraine are all different things ... A doll, but not quite - if you correctly rely on the votes of the electorate - you can do a lot, even contrary! It would be a desire and political will! But this is precisely what Zelensky does not have!
    3. Lelek
      Lelek April 18 2020 11: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      ... this territory will always be a bargaining chip in the geostrategic games of big uncles until the moment - until the Ukrainians grow wiser and join Russia ...

      Hi Eugene.
      I'm about "wiser". The media published "discourses" of Ukrainians about the former Ukraine, Russia and prospects. In the key of your phrase, I will give a few quotes:
      1. Finches
        Finches April 19 2020 08: 52 New
        +2
        Hello Leo! All the same, far from national awareness!
        1. Lelek
          Lelek April 19 2020 12: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Finches
          All the same, far from national awareness!

          hi
          You are right, until full - about 10 years. In the meantime, the hetman is getting stronger and finally scammed the "Minsk agreements". In this regard, extraordinary actions are required from the leaderships of the republics and Russia.

          Happy Christ.
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 18 2020 14: 00 New
      +2
      The juntas are holding all these freaks for the war, and not for solving some kind of problems, Fashington does not care about 404, he needs more blood.
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      Zelensky needs to solve today not political, but economic problems of Ukraine!

      there you need to start to recognize the fact of an armed seizure of power in 2014 ... without this, no problems can be solved !!! request
      1. Finches
        Finches April 19 2020 08: 53 New
        +1
        This is what political will is needed for - which Zelensky does not have!
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 19 2020 17: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Finches
          This is what political will is needed for - which Zelensky does not have!

          where there is a will ... there, since 2014, the heroization of the Maidan and Maidanashka has been going on, and the little one is a little parasite !!! request wassat in principle, the moron inhabitants of Ukraine will become worse and worse from this, but at the same time they amuse themselves with fairy tales about the slavery of Russians !!! fool laughing
  • fn34440
    fn34440 April 18 2020 10: 33 New
    +5
    Vladimir Zelensky is incompetent and only interested in how he looks on the screen

    One of the Ukrainian presenters said on the air that the President of Ukraine only thinks about how best to make up and shoot a video, read texts prepared by professionals on a camera, and return home with a sense of accomplishment.

    "Now, when you are trying to pretend to be Elon Musk, when you are standing in an expensive suit, when you read someone else's text, you look funny, unconvincing. And it seems to me that it is time for you to end this farce ...", - said the TV presenter.
    That's it.
    1. major147
      major147 April 18 2020 12: 11 New
      +4
      Zelensky revealed his plan

      All over the "plan" is obvious! yes
  • venik
    venik April 18 2020 10: 59 New
    0
    Quote: knn54
    Maybe he still wants to get a Hero of Ukraine "for this"?

    ========
    Yes, it seems that this one already imagines himself a "hero"!
    ----------
    Quote: knn54
    It is not funny at all.

    ========
    Rather - absolutely SAD! NOTHING has changed in Ukraine! From the change of two "portraits" the result - DOESN'T CHANGE!
    So it started:

    And so it seems to continue:
    1. major147
      major147 April 18 2020 12: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: venik
      Yes, it seems that this one already imagines himself a "hero"!

      Zeleshenko !? lol
      1. venik
        venik April 18 2020 12: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: major147
        Zeleshenko !?

        =======
        good Or Porozelko? request drinks
  • Nikolai Grek
    Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: knn54
    It is not funny at all.

    and when it was funny ??? what it was just necessary not to spread the rubbish about the fraternal innocent people !!! request
  • igog
    igog April 19 2020 00: 22 New
    0
    "Maybe he will still want" for this "..." Why "maybe"? He ALREADY "sleeps and sees".
  • vik669
    vik669 April 19 2020 06: 09 New
    -1
    Yes, something is already sad but without comments!
  • Vend
    Vend April 20 2020 09: 46 New
    0
    laughing laughing the flag over the Reichstag was the USSR laughing laughing Freud clause laughing laughing
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 19 New
    +6
    Zelensky’s statement about the flag over the Reichstag raised a lot of questions among Ukrainians themselves. It turns out that he compares Donbass with Nazi Germany? ..

    He already really confused the scene with the state
    Pre-clown play, oh, play ...
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 18 2020 07: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      He already really confused the scene with the state
      Pre-clown play, oh, play ...

      No, that's exactly the same people, I do not confuse the state and the scene, for them any state is a scene. Remember the actions of Sverdlov, Trotsky, Zemlyachki. They also took the state for the scene.
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      2. Lelek
        Lelek April 18 2020 11: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        ... do not confuse the state and the scene, for them any state is a scene.

        hi
        It is noteworthy that the most reckless dillies like Kolomoisky, Timoshenko, and now the odious leaky Lyashka began to talk about this "in / on" more and more often:
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha April 18 2020 07: 20 New
    11
    Zelensky coast has already begun to confuse. He called himself president, be kind to comply. And then, like bazaar women, they don’t follow the language at all
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 32 New
      +9
      Quote: Mitroha
      , do not follow the language at all

      But he is "not a sucker" laughing
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 18 2020 08: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: Mitroha
      Zelensky coast has already begun to confuse. He called himself president, be kind to comply.

      You make too prohibitive requirements for an actor in a comedy genre with an average level of professional skill ...

      He would have doubles recourse ... Yes, real politics (life) does not provide an opportunity to "re-shoot the scene".
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 18 2020 12: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Mitroha
      Zelensky coast has already begun to confuse.

      Davi did not confuse Zelya shores; they did not set him up so that he would confuse shores, but in order to fulfill the instructions of the owner.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 April 18 2020 07: 20 New
    +9
    The country of victorious idiocy and govnokomanduyuIts clown idiot in it
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 18 2020 07: 21 New
    21
    You never know what anyone wants! I now want the revival of the Soviet Union! And to do away with Bandera forever. And in general, the reverse renaming into Little Russia, so that this name of the under-state "Ukraine" disappeared from the map. Let's see whose Wishlist will come true faster.
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov April 18 2020 07: 36 New
      +1
      Yes, many Orthodox Saints elders, starting from Sergius of Radonezh and Serofim, and the Indians also predicted that Russia will pass great tests, But the future will come out victorious as well.
      And about the USSR - I am only FOR! but in a slightly different format. soldier

      well, 33 ml. population or less, just do not "write off, you need to put up somehow.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: Fedorov
        you need to put up somehow.

        Yes, it’s kind of like we are not talking to them, they are to us.
        And we don’t dream of throwing rockets
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins April 18 2020 10: 24 New
          -5
          And we don’t dream of throwing rockets
          Have you been listening to Zhirinovsky for a long time? He is dreaming. And he (for a minute) is a deputy of the Duma.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 18 2020 10: 37 New
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And he (for a minute) is a deputy of the Duma.

            But does (for a minute) the deputy of the Duma have such an opportunity?
            1. revnagan
              revnagan April 18 2020 11: 37 New
              -6
              Quote: Lipchanin
              But does (for a minute) the deputy of the Duma have such an opportunity?

              You might think that the director of the plant has such an opportunity.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 18 2020 13: 32 New
                +3
                Quote: revnagan
                You might think that the director of the plant has such an opportunity

                And how long ago became the director of the plant with a scythe?
    2. LKW UE
      LKW UE April 18 2020 11: 17 New
      -9
      You obviously got excited with Ukraine, no matter what my country is, but Ukraine was, is and will be. Forget the word Little Russia forever, in Ukraine it means swearing, from the Soviet school it is deeply rooted in consciousness - this is an attempt by tsarism to dissolve the identity of Ukrainians in the total population of tsarist Russia. Let's live together, as for example, today's Germany and Austria are one nation but countries are different.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: LKW UE
        but Ukraine was, is and will be.

        what she was without gifts from tsars and "dictators" !!! wink play out, and that will end up with those few square meters. km !!! wassat laughing
    3. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 11: 36 New
      -5
      Quote: Egoza
      Who knows what anyone wants! I want a revival of the Soviet Union! And to end with Bandera forever.

      Strongly agree, Ukraine-without the Galicians-ragul-Bandera.
      Quote: Egoza
      And in general, the reverse renaming into Little Russia, so that this name of the under-state "Ukraine" disappeared from the map.

      And here I strongly disagree. Ukraine was, is and will be.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor April 18 2020 14: 02 New
        +2
        How the territory was and will be, and how the country was invented in 91 and absolutely bankrupt, and not the country is already a fshat colony as it was a Polish colony, as it was a Swedish one.
  • potap6509
    potap6509 April 18 2020 07: 22 New
    +2
    Comment on the nonsense of these ..., do not respect yourself, through the looking glass for some reason.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: potap6509
      Comment on the nonsense of these ..., do not respect yourself

      They gave you claudia forcibly, so that?
      don't respect yourself
  • Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin April 18 2020 07: 29 New
    -3
    Separation of the left bank of the Dnieper and the creation of Little Russia is the time and if our government really shows itself ... 5-30 years but it will be.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 18 2020 07: 31 New
    +6
    And victory is the return of all territories and the withdrawal of all troops by Russia. The troops will leave, and we will enter, and then the border. Then the election.
    And "victory" at 404, this is concentration camps, genocide, murder of women, children and old people, this is hunger and poverty. I would like to address Zelensky as a person whose nationality suffered the most during WWII "Zelya! Visit Auschwitz and Babi Yar first, before you start genocide in Donbas." Although they say that a shell does not fall into one funnel twice, history always goes in a spiral.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 18 2020 07: 33 New
    +9
    Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag
    Well, over the Reichstag, the flag was not raised by the pogans, but by the hands of the Soviet people. fool And the legs can only grab and rub. request And this is not only a mentality, but also an anatomy. request
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 07: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      just grab and rub.

      Do not spit, but corny rob
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 18 2020 07: 37 New
    +6
    Zelensky already went to Russia once. To the cinema.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Amateur
      Zelensky already went to Russia once. To the cinema.

      It will not come out of the image
      1. Mouse
        Mouse April 18 2020 18: 27 New
        +6
        Quote: Lipchanin
        It will not come out of the image

        maybe I would like to go out, what are the big doubts .... but who will give him? recourse
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 07: 38 New
    +3
    wassat I always said that a clown cannot be president, he mixed up the scene laughing
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 11: 39 New
      -2
      An exception refutes the rule. Reagan for America was a normal prez. Just the wrong country was called Honduras ...
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      wassat I always said that a clown cannot be president, he mixed up the scene laughing

      do you need a lot to steer in Ukraine ??? what nedoprana just need an under-president !!! wink wassat
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert April 18 2020 07: 39 New
    10
    Damn, he did better on the piano with the appendix ...
    Such a talent ruined ... wink
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Hell, he was doing better on the piano with the appendix.

      Or maybe ... well, this ... the appendix no longer functions ...? repeat
  • Maas
    Maas April 18 2020 07: 41 New
    -5
    "Smoke in connection with the continuing fire in Ukraine near Chernobyl was recorded in a number of European countries. At the same time, Ukraine itself claims that the radiation background is" almost normal. "

    And you can link to the fact that the increase in radiation background occurred in Europe due to fires in the exclusion zone. As far as I know, there was an excess of up to 2.3 in the area of ​​fires.
    In general, recently it has become disgusting to read this resource. Lying on lies and driving lies. And the worst thing is that the authors do not bear any responsibility for anything. He blurted out, got his ruble and went to eat. This is disgusting. No wonder they say the magazine .... and
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Maas
      In general, recently it has become disgusting to read this resource.

      "Goodbye, our Ruslan, return to your fairy forest"
      1. Maas
        Maas April 18 2020 09: 40 New
        -2
        "Goodbye, our Ruslan, return to your fairy forest"
        I wish I could. Do you know where this forest is?
        You already posted 8200 comments in 10 months, 27 each !!! per day. How can I add so many posts per day?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 18 2020 09: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Maas
          I wish I could. Do you know where this forest is?

          Where there is no
          How can I add so many posts a day?

          I `m a pensioner. Hours from 8 to 23 on the site. Here in the morning on three branches already 27. And the day has just begun
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 07: 42 New
    +5
    In the meantime, the head of state will break the comedy with the IMF, almost any other politician can calmly replace him at his post - not as funny and artistic, of course, but with the same pro-Western orientation as the former participant in the “95th quarter”. laughing
    1. Hourly
      Hourly April 18 2020 08: 23 New
      +6
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      In the meantime, the head of state will break the comedy with the IMF

      The IMF refused to Kiev deferment of loans .. Petel then tightens around the neck!
      1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
        Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 18 2020 08: 47 New
        +4
        Settlement by the earth. They under this business and planted on a loan kukan.
        1. Hourly
          Hourly April 18 2020 09: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich
          Settlement by the earth. They under this business and planted on a loan kukan.

          Yes, the only thing left in Ukraine in price is land and women ... wink
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 16: 21 New
            +1
            this is land and women ... with women the issue was resolved about 6 years ago. and with the earth only now. the truth is not the fact that it will be fast
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: Sentinel
            Yes, the only thing left in Ukraine in price is land and women ...

            I think this is another stereotype !!! wink wassat
  • Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 18 2020 07: 43 New
    +4
    It’s easy to start a war, but it’s hard to end it when the enemy does not give up ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Pvi1206
      but it’s hard to finish it when the enemy does not give up ...

      And even more difficult when he did not come to her at all laughing
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist April 18 2020 07: 46 New
    -11
    Around there are fascists alone - in Kiev, in Moscow, in Washington, and now in the Donbass. Where to go to the peasant?
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 07: 47 New
    +3
    Phantom pain in their tailbone. Old wounds hurt .-- tailbone - tail grows wassat
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 18 2020 08: 54 New
      12
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      . Old wounds hurt .-- tailbone - tail grows

    2. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 18 2020 08: 56 New
      +3
      No, the twenty-first finger of the IMF quickly burst into their tailbone and firmly settled.
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  • Cryvedco
    Cryvedco April 18 2020 07: 49 New
    +7
    But shaw, this Pots didn’t know what flags were above the Reichstag?
  • Masha
    Masha April 18 2020 07: 51 New
    +9
    I remember in my childhood they said ....
    I want to get over it ...
    Lie down and everything will pass! wink
  • naGua
    naGua April 18 2020 07: 54 New
    +5
    What kind of actor was going to raise the "flag over the Reichstag"? With a swastika? Y-yes ... Make the fool pray to God, he will break his forehead.
    1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 18 2020 08: 49 New
      +3
      PRESIDENT of Ukraine tried to break the piano as a member. I have seen))
  • anjey
    anjey April 18 2020 08: 12 New
    +6
    The troops will leave, and we will enter, and then the border. Then the election.
    And then executions, executions and torture of those who are objectionable and disagreeing with the Kiev authorities.
    1. Hourly
      Hourly April 18 2020 08: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: anjey
      The troops will leave, and we will enter, and then the border. Then the election.
      And then executions, executions and torture of those who are objectionable and disagreeing with the Kiev authorities.

      In this they are experts, even during the occupation of their grandfather, policemen and grandchildren probably shared methods of keeping people in fear ..
  • Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich April 18 2020 08: 35 New
    +1
    Poor clown!
  • askort154
    askort154 April 18 2020 08: 39 New
    +5
    I'd like, yes ... And victory is the return of all territories and the withdrawal of all troops by Russia.

    Clearly, nothing of his own. Sound the old manuals.
    Finish! Where will you be if Russian troops actually come ?! He has not yet earned money for villas over the hill, like Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko. And in the 95th quarter, you no longer have an apartment.
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  • 3vs
    3vs April 18 2020 08: 40 New
    +2
    Rather, one day Kiev will have to raise the flag of victory over idiocy!
  • KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 18 2020 08: 52 New
    +2
    Sometimes it’s better to claw without hands on the piano, then fuck the mouth ..
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 18 2020 08: 59 New
    +1
    Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag
    Zelensky did not make such statements.
  • Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima April 18 2020 09: 00 New
    +1
    He spoke and no one laughs ... because well, no one in Ukraine considers him president .. it's just ridiculous ..... ZE the president of the country .. I can’t rzhu. As for me his place is 95kv ... well, so I I see it.
  • Vlad Za
    Vlad Za April 18 2020 09: 05 New
    +3
    In order to hoist the flag over the Reichstag, you must first defeat fascism, be a warrior of the Soviet Army and have a fighting Red Banner.
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 18 2020 09: 07 New
    +2
    Lord, where does the world go ... request In Sumeria, the clown in power, in Bulbyandi, the circus is going on fool
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2020 09: 35 New
      +3
      I agree. Well, can you imagine swineherds in the role of the Nazis?! .. And what should they shout? .. ,, oink, oink, Ukraine? .. Massive swearing, with education - maximum vocational schools, who consider themselves to be, the highest race, and themselves meanwhile, they washed all the toilets around the world and provided all the intimate services.
  • Karaul18
    Karaul18 April 18 2020 09: 12 New
    +2
    The title does not correspond to the article and does not correspond to reality. Simply put, a lie.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 18 2020 09: 12 New
    +2
    Is the American flag? Or with the family coat of arms of Biden, the master of Ukraine?
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na April 18 2020 09: 15 New
    +3
    It is worth Russia to give green light to the People’s Army of LNR and the flag of New Russia will flutter over the Verkhovna Rada and the office of the President of Ukraine!
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 18 2020 11: 44 New
      -5
      Quote: Ru_Na
      It is worth Russia to give green light to the People’s Army of LNR and the flag of New Russia will flutter over the Verkhovna Rada and the office of the President of Ukraine!

      Did you and Zelea collect grass from more than one "ship" for your "joint"?
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Ru_Na
      It is worth Russia to give green light to the People’s Army of LNR and the flag of New Russia will flutter over the Verkhovna Rada and the office of the President of Ukraine!

      do they need it ??? Do you think that LDNR do not see that there are mainly hutskrajniki there ??? what
  • ACCUSED
    ACCUSED April 18 2020 09: 19 New
    -1
    Natsyki Zelensky was completely rotten. A flag in his ass!
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 18 2020 09: 24 New
    +3
    Zelensky said that “I really want to” raise the flag over Donbass as over the Reichstag

    In fact, the Reichstag is a symbol of the enemy state and was located on the territory of this state, and the Donbass is the territory of Ukraine itself, although it has rebelled.
    And most importantly, a red flag was hoisted on the Reichstag, and in Ukraine it is banned.
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 18 2020 09: 28 New
    -5
    I understand him very well, we also have a lot of violent heads who want to put the Russian tricolor over the white house in Washington)))), and even before Berlin, every first person probably dreams about it.
    Although...
    On the other hand, it has every right, whether someone likes it or not, in accordance with all international laws, Donbass and Crimea are Ukraine, so the international community will certainly not wake him from dissuading him from this idea, much less asking Russia.
    1. Alevil
      Alevil April 18 2020 09: 53 New
      +2
      Crimea is Russia and if you live in Russia and deny this fact, then you are a criminal. And people like you should be in prison in an amicable way. Donbass is not Ukraine either. Donbass has already expressed its opinion at the referendum, and when it was misunderstood, it explained and confirmed its will in another way. And he did the right thing. By the way, creatures are constantly operating with the concept of "international community", "civilized world", "all myr z nami", etc. very much resemble sea diggers)))
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 18 2020 10: 04 New
        -2
        Crimea is Russia and if you live in Russia and deny this fact, then you are a criminal

        Go and repeat these words at a UN meeting right in the face of all world leaders, and I'll watch on TV with popcorn.
        In my comment I did not say a word about the fact that Crimea should return to Ukraine.
        I said that the international community does not recognize Crimea as Russian. Do you catch the difference?
        1. Alevil
          Alevil April 18 2020 11: 07 New
          +5
          Where does so much love and admiration for any UN and other "world leaders" come from? I wanted to spit on them and on anyone's opinion. For me, the only politically significant thing is Russia's interests.
        2. Viktor123
          Viktor123 April 19 2020 18: 21 New
          -1
          international community does not recognize Crimea as Russian
          . The world community can go through the forest. Crimea from April 8 (19), 1783 consists in Russia. All other questions disappear.
    2. Viktor123
      Viktor123 April 19 2020 18: 15 New
      0
      On April 8 (19), 1783, Empress Catherine the Great signed the Manifesto on the annexation of Crimea, Taman and the right bank of the sea to Russia and the formation and formation of the Tauride Region under the control of Prince G.A. Potemkin, who received the title of Tauride for her work. So today is the date!
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2020 09: 30 New
    -1
    Oh, and this fool is stupid.
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 18 2020 11: 03 New
      -5
      Oh, and this fool is stupid.

      Yes, only he is the president of the country, who was supported by 73% of the population.
      And what successes have you achieved by making the most serious appearance))))
      (Andrei Nikolaevich, do not be offended, I am kind).
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2020 12: 02 New
        0
        And you know what you dreamed of being in childhood, that is what you have become. All I wanted was achieved. So I am a happy person. As for the “elected” head of the country of Chubat, then this is my happiness, I'm not a citizen of this ,, territory ,,. This is me to you too -, kindly,
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus April 18 2020 12: 27 New
          0
          And you know what you dreamed of being in childhood, that is what you have become. All I wanted was

          As I understand it, it is ridiculous to ridicule the president of another country in the comments and it is pointless to argue with who it is (about me), the pinnacle of the level of your claims?))))
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich April 18 2020 13: 10 New
            0
            Do you also, understand? Yes, understand, whatever you want. It's your problems. )
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 16: 33 New
        0
        Yes, only he is the president of the country, who was supported by 73% of the population ...... and the population lope in u ??? Have you ever considered what to say?
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor April 19 2020 12: 53 New
        0
        The president of the territory, after its capture by the Bandera fascists, rewriting laws, replacing the legitimate authorities with freaks, after the occupation by the fascington, is there anything left of the country?
        At least some state prize winners?
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 18 2020 09: 39 New
    +5
    The troops will come out, and we will come in, and then ...
    Probably as promised you will hang? That's just even for this you will not go there. Probably it’s a great pleasure to dream about a pipe and even on the program of a corrupt, supposedly journalist of a certain nationality.
  • Ingenegr
    Ingenegr April 18 2020 09: 41 New
    +2
    Ushlepok does not need people. Ushlepok needs territory. Not even the territory itself, but formal domination over it.
  • Alevil
    Alevil April 18 2020 09: 47 New
    +1
    And the clown’s face will not crack? Better give freedom to New Russia, which is essentially a Ukrainian colony. Such conviction as Ukraine does not rely on colonies.
    1. Alevil
      Alevil April 18 2020 11: 11 New
      +2
      AHAHA
      Negative degenerates pulled themselves up. Degenerates, understand: nothing good shines on your under-stainless, and the globalist liberoid regime is covered by a copper basin. With what I congratulate you)
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 18 2020 09: 47 New
    +3
    Like, he imagines himself a nedofuhrer, Stupid like a cork, they raised the Victory Flag above the Reichstag, but this does not shine for Bandera savages. Their future destiny is defeat and tribunal.
  • fn34440
    fn34440 April 18 2020 10: 04 New
    +3
    His grandfather (Zelin), a colonel in the Soviet Army, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, would tear off his granddaughter's naughty bells for the entire Nazi scum in the Jewish head, granddaughter, if grandfather was alive.
    1. LKW UE
      LKW UE April 18 2020 11: 26 New
      -9
      Unfortunately, my country, Ukraine, is not an object of international politics, but a subject. And they twist it as they want, both Russia and the West. Too many interests crossed here. But the western side currently looks more attractive, if only because the population of the former countries of eastern Europe lives several orders of magnitude better than in Russia.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 18 2020 11: 46 New
        +7
        You messed up the concepts a bit, this object is twisted as they want, and everything is right ...
        1. Hourly
          Hourly April 18 2020 11: 55 New
          +6
          Quote: cniza
          You messed up the concepts a bit, this object is twisted as they want, and everything is right ...

          They’re twisting the wrong word .. They bind it with blood, there is such a thing in criminal circles .. hi
          Quote: LKW UE
          But the western side currently looks more attractive, if only because the population of the former countries of eastern Europe lives several orders of magnitude better than in Russia.

          Due to Russophobia and tranches of the West .. The concept of living better, it is very extensible .. Pigs and cows on farms in Poland, Germany, etc. They also live well. They even include bach so that their weight and milk yield increase .. wink

        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          You messed up the concepts a bit, this object is twisted as they want, and everything is right ...

          this is their reality ... they give quite definite understandings the opposite meaning !!! wink to confuse "subject" and "object" in geopolitics - of course you need to have a lot of mind !!! lol also season it all with tales of the well-being of Eastern European rogue !!! wassat laughing
          1. cniza
            cniza April 18 2020 18: 09 New
            +5
            Well, they like it, but for me it’s so easy to envy. yes hi
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 18: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              Well, they like it, but for me it’s so easy to envy. yes hi

              it would be something to envy ... the Poles are the same rogue as the ragul !!! wink laughing
              1. cniza
                cniza April 18 2020 18: 50 New
                +3
                I did not finish, of course they envy Russia ...
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 19: 48 New
                  +2
                  Quote: cniza
                  I did not finish, of course they envy Russia ...

                  aaaaaaaa ... well tady fuck !!! lol drinks
              2. LKW UE
                LKW UE April 18 2020 20: 23 New
                -6
                Haha, how funny, especially for me who came from a flight in Europe to Poland. Are you specifically paid for lying? Or just shoto blurt out in pursuit of the plus signs? Poland has overtaken Ukraine in development by 50 years and Russia by 40 years, so march forward with a song and catch up with the "Eastern European rogues" whose cow would bellow and whose would be silent ... Sometimes it is better to be silent, we can go for a smart one ...
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 20: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: LKW UE
                  Poland overtook Ukraine in development by 50 years

                  both you and Poland are rogues ... of a current of various kinds ... you fell off the neck of Russia and didn’t find a new sponsor ... the EU feeds Poland ... therefore the standard of living there is better than yours !!! while you both beggar countries far from Russia !! wink wassat
                  P.S .. what are you doing, ukroresurs confused with Russian ??? what who are you going to hang noodles on your ears ?? !!! lol
                  1. LKW UE
                    LKW UE April 18 2020 21: 17 New
                    -5
                    Change the training manual or check with the curators for relevant information. Otherwise, you will display your ignorance as a laughing stock.
                    1. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek April 18 2020 21: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: LKW UE
                      Change the training manual or check with the curators for relevant information. Otherwise, you will display your ignorance as a laughing stock.

                      look like a laughing stock here while you are with your fairy tales !! wink laughing
                2. cniza
                  cniza April 18 2020 21: 04 New
                  +4
                  Quote: LKW UE
                  Poland has overtaken Ukraine by 50 years in development and Russia by 40 years, so march forward with a song and catch up with the "Eastern European rogues" whose cow would bellow, and whose would be silent ... Sometimes it is better to be silent, you can be smart ...


                  You have already shown your knowledge and literacy, continue to rejoice further ...
                  1. LKW UE
                    LKW UE April 18 2020 21: 21 New
                    -4
                    What I see with my own eyes is what I say, in contrast to the paid trolls. And yes I am glad that I work for "rogue" and do not console myself with the thought
                    beggar countries far from Russia
                    .
                    1. Heet
                      Heet April 19 2020 22: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: LKW UE
                      And yes I am glad that I work for "rogue" and do not console myself with the thought

                      They gained independence, organized Maidan and everything in order to work in Poland, and even rejoice. Dream of idiots.
                      1. LKW UE
                        LKW UE April 20 2020 00: 16 New
                        -1
                        Independence in 1991 they got everything and nobody asked us much. Maidan was arranged by those who wanted to get to the power and no one asked me either. And now I work in Poland, I get an average European salary, so why shouldn't I be happy? I don’t believe in Ukraine, Russia and the CIS, I don’t believe that they will live even as "Eastern European rogue". It will turn out, I will move with my family to the "rogue"!
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        But the western side looks more attractive at the moment, .... yes. very soon in the fields, harvesting in the west will be close. climbed over the fence and up in the fields of Poland, Germany and it is not yet known who
      3. VLD
        VLD April 18 2020 16: 42 New
        +1
        "Several orders of magnitude" is 100, 1000, 10000 times better? ))
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 18 2020 10: 18 New
    +3
    Two subjects of the most titular nationality are extreme talking about something that they want to show is very important ??? Let the inhabitants of that side themselves appreciate this.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 18 2020 11: 44 New
      +4
      It seems that they do not understand, and even more so to evaluate ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 18 2020 12: 27 New
        +1
        I don’t think that everyone there suffered from the disease "potting, shaking the brain", but the result is, like grit, on the face!
    2. Hourly
      Hourly April 18 2020 12: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Two subjects of the most titular nationality are extreme talking about something that they want to show is very important ???

      Yes, before the State Department, they are turning themselves inside out ..
      Quote: rocket757
      Let the inhabitants of that side themselves appreciate this.

      And the people, well, the people .. As always endure, but I think patience is already going through the roof of both titular nations! soldier
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 18 2020 12: 31 New
        -1
        We are leading from the side to look at everything, compare. We would be our top ... to give everyone their due.
        In the meantime, we are sitting at home, it seems so right in this situation, we write and write on the internet about ... about different things, in short.
        1. Hourly
          Hourly April 18 2020 13: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          We are leading from the side to look at everything, compare. We would be our top ... to give everyone their due.

          That's for sure, we live, we chew bread and sharpen the pitchfork .. wink
          Quote: rocket757
          In the meantime, we are sitting at home, it seems so right in this situation, we write and write on the internet about ... about different things, in short.

          Well, it’s normal, let them read, maybe someone will reach, and their problems will not reach Victor. hi Our cause is right ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 18 2020 15: 15 New
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            Those who have something to do, do not hang out on the Internet, those who have nothing .... so they will not do anything, then, when the period of forced idleness ends.
            For the most part, this is not very much needed, for some, the contingent.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 16: 45 New
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              Those who have something to do, do not freeze on the internet .... .... come on. now is the time itself. quarantine after 14.00, the time itself and in the garden rush around and hang in nete.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 18 2020 18: 00 New
                +1
                There will be no time later, when the quarantine is over, I wrote that. Now there’s more than enough time. Previously, people even went to dachas !!! Today made sure QUARANTINE is serious. Posts on all roads, they stop and ..... I have a pass, I went to work, I was called, but many were unlucky.
                PS By the way, if the cottages are far from the city, with an Internet there is not ah! Now especially, the network is overloaded, constantly buggy, by the number of errors in the text it is immediately noticeable.
                I have a connection to all local operators, one figs sometimes hangs so that it’s better not to sniff, nothing works.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 April 19 2020 06: 05 New
                  +1
                  I have a connection to all local operators, one fig, hangs from time to time .... can resident programs "pull" traffic? I have it. my son can throw them off when he wants to drive them into tanks
  • Azazelo
    Azazelo April 18 2020 10: 22 New
    -1
    After all, as soon as the Earth wears
  • Veiko
    Veiko April 18 2020 10: 23 New
    0
    That's just the Reichstag is not in the Donbass, you have to put on your balcony, as tourists from Ukraine vacationing in a Greek hotel
  • Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK April 18 2020 10: 26 New
    +8
    In fairness: dear Israeli forum users, aren't you ashamed of your fellow tribesman? Ahhhhh, something dear Israelis can't see. Saturday, you can't post ...
    1. ApJlekuHo
      ApJlekuHo April 18 2020 10: 46 New
      +3
      This potz has the same relation to Israel as "modern" Ukraine has to the Donbass.
      1. Pacifist with AK
        Pacifist with AK April 18 2020 10: 47 New
        0
        Logically ....
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 18 2020 10: 46 New
    0
    If a person has a headache, and there is no doctor nearby, then only universal pain relievers can help him. Forward Ze, forward, as they said in the old days: "Kindle blood in your veins, knights forward!"
  • Genie
    Genie April 18 2020 10: 50 New
    +3
    But Odessa dreams of decorating its lanterns with hanged KuYIV invaders in April 1944!
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 18 2020 10: 58 New
    +2
    Zelensky rams beguiled! That war your Bandera lost and the flag above the Reichstag wasn’t yours!