Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?


Actually, it’s not about Zuleikh, to be honest. Yes, I’ll say right away that this is the first time that after the first series it became clear to me, and there was no need to continue. I have been writing about films for more than a year (fourth), but now it happened.


So, right away, to stop possible ranting “about the plot”, I will say this: there is no plot. More precisely, he is as old as the world. You saw this story in The Bastards, The Shtrafbat, The Citadel and other miscarriages of our Ministry of Culture and his accomplices, who didn’t even spit (replace one letter yourself, okay?) The Soviet past.

Well, Zuleikha opened her eyes ...


Well, yes, this is a photo of the author Zuleyhi, Guzeli Yakhina. Well, just one more thing. Co-author or “parent 2”, that is, Chulpan Khamatova.


I have not been surprised for a long time at the amount of hatred and slop that the Russian Ministry of Culture prepares and spills out onto the screens. It is clear that here the order comes from the very top, and complaints can only be to Putin, who (as usual, however) indifferently wants to watch his ministers have fun with Sovietophobia.

The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

I came to a very interesting and unexpected conclusion, dear readers.

But the conclusion will be at the very end, but for now just two words about the series about open eyes.

“For example, I hate the Great Patriotic War, I cannot be proud of it. For me, this is pain, blood and suffering, not only of the Russian people, but also of the German, soldiers and civilians of other countries. In principle, I hate wars and I will never support any of them. And if it does happen, then I will be sorry for all parties to the conflict. "

(Chulpan Khamatova.)

The position of the human rights activist is clear and understandable. As well as her participation in the film, which gives a certain degree of confidence in the reliability.

In general, what is needed for a modern Russian film to satisfy the requirements of the day, that is, the Ministry of Culture?

Everything is simple: sex, blood and the damned Soviet past.

All three components are present, and, as I understood from Yakhina’s rants, she still held herself in black gloves, and did not show ALL the truth. And the whole truth, she was so-so-ah-I ...

True, apparently, it was like a soundtrack to the film. The grave-mournful howl, tearing nerves and stuffing them into the soul - according to the authors of the series, it was it. Fierce melancholy, hopelessness and uncertainty.

Uncertainty - especially, eyes closed!

So, about open eyes.

Firstly, of course, they showed how the Tatars lived. We lived richly. To the envy of everyone. The houses are big. Cows Horses. Chickens. Bread. Everything was. Moreover, from the tsarist times, in general, from the creation of the world, the Tatars lived richly. And they rebelled by habit, but not because of the famines.

And then the tsar-father died and completely forced life began. When the Soviet Republic. And the terrible Bolsheviks came, who decided to lime all the Tatars to the root. Excuse someone and starve to death, someone, excuse me, fuck him to death, because (quote) "there is no one to trample the commissars."

Yes, commissars, of course, only Russians and Jews. There is no third.

Another quote from Mrs. Khamatova:

“The slave consciousness that the Soviet government has been planting for so long is a post-traumatic syndrome that needs to be cured and forgotten.”

Not cured. Also slavishly, excuse me, you continue to lick the dirty myth about how the Russians spread rot and humiliated everyone.

Meanwhile, Guzel Yakhina was born in 1977, Chulpan Khamatova - in 1975.

In the midst of the rule of the Soviet regime, which nevertheless nourished and learned them, and made it possible for both, after a certain time, to write and put slanderous libel on the Tatar people.

Indeed, for whom it offends me, it’s for the Tatars!

Of course, Yakhina and Khamatova for some reason really wanted to humiliate and denigrate this ancient and proud people. Apparently, something like that they both have to the past.

Well, how?

The movie, which was filmed according to the pitiful little book of Yakhina, has the entire mandatory set of modernity: a really dumb Tatar woman who suffers reproaches from her mother-in-law, insults that her husband humiliates five times a day, plus yes, you can evaluate the frankly swine scene of sexual satisfaction of Zuleiha’s husband.

Well, of course, it was under the Soviet regime. Here, with the king-priest - on the feather bed with sheets, and with all the possible routines. And under the Soviets - that's just it.

And Khamatova, in a frame with such masochistic pleasure, demonstrates to us the behavior of a proud Tatar woman - she tacitly endures everything from everyone. Especially from her husband.

Murtaza is a spit in the face of all Tatars.

Shown directly as a worthy rival to the Russians from the NKVD. Dumb, lustful, evil animal. Dumb - because the main phrase to the wife, granted by Allah: "Yes, who needs you." Then anyone will have a question, like, a Tatar, you yourself married, didn’t you see, didn’t you think?

Well, how Murtaza realizes his sexual needs is shown in the film. I’m not sure that the real Tatars clapped their hands, watching and saying “Yaksha!”

He beats his wife with anything, and purely for the sake of entertainment.

In general - a handsome man, Murtaza, a portrait of a true Tatar!

Well, how this handsome was taken out of the plot, generally super!

So simple: in winter, go to the cemetery to hide grain! Well, just a Tatar could not have come up with a better place, because he prepared a grave and realized a coffin as a bunker. A bummer came out with bags, but again this is Tatar stupidity.


Well, of course, Murtaza could only die like an idiot: rushing to the patrol of armed Red Army men. Those, too, are shown by those still Pinocchio, but they did not blunder and nailed Murtaza.

Zuleikha drags her husband’s corpse home, puts him on the bed and lays down next to him. Family, sorry ... sick?

Enough!

Oh no, sorry. In the "film" there are also "hysterical references", which describe the number of dispossessed in 1928-1930. That is, almost 15 years after the power in the country changed.

But for some reason, not a word has been said about the percentage at which the “fists" loaned grain for sowing to poorer villagers. In general, these were the first microloan organizations in the world, if that.

And not a word about the burned village councils, the killed engineers, machine operators, teachers, doctors ...

And they were not there. Murtaza, who beat his wife, hid grain, attacked the military - he was, but there was nothing else.

Who, excuse me, ordered this anti-Tatars? For my, excuse me, account?

Who benefits from the Tatars, who, although with turbulences, have lived with us for so many hundreds of years, suddenly appear like this ... odorous?

Yes, I do not know such Tatars. And I don’t want to know.

What should I do with 161 Tatar - Hero of the Soviet Union? And with the seven Crimean Tatars Heroes? And one double Hero?


Amet Khan Sultan, Soviet military pilot ace of Crimean Tatar origin, twice Hero of the Soviet Union


And with more than 70 awarded?

I just want to send all this to the prosecutor’s office, and to the general one, and ask if Khamatova and Yakhina’s acts reveal facts that correspond to article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

What is this, if not the eight-episode humiliation of the Tatar people?

They built a country together, defended together, shed blood and labor sweat together ... Kazan is a modern pearl of cities, who built it? Slaves - the descendants of the stupid and limited Tatars from the movie Yakhina, or still the descendants of an ancient and proud people?

I have to admit: we sailed.

We have something there mumbling with the lips of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the fact that our monuments are demolished abroad ... Without much success, however, like everything performed by our authorities.

But one thing we have in recent years invariably. Regardless of who is sitting on the throne, regardless of who is in the seats of ministers, the humiliation and spitting of everything that was connected with the USSR continues.

That is, with our past.

Oh, how should the Constitution be changed, right? In order to straighten our shoulders, our government, under the leadership of the president, defended the historical heritage and the past ...

Yeah, right from the moment of signing, protection and preservation will begin.

In the meantime, here’s another Rzhev, here’s Shtrafbat, here’s Sevastopol Story, here’s “Tanks", Here is the T-34. Eat. And do not forget to vote. And it will become even worse.

But it will.

For a long time, we from Belarus had nothing like this. It’s time, you know, to shoot a film about the traitors-Belarusians who hid in the forests. And about the Ukrainians, they are also good.

What expanse do you feel? What a cut the budget ... Take a list of nationalities of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, and about each and every one of them.

With the roar of falling monuments all over Europe.

And what, the monuments fell, fall and will fall. While we were respected (and some were afraid), no one would even think of touching them.

But excuse me, what kind of respect for the people who constantly spit in themselves can we talk about?

Are Czech villains? Yes. Separately taken. Poles? Yes. Separately taken. And one can say this ad infinitum, but we ourselves set an example for them, replicating all this anti-Soviet pornography from year to year.

We want to be respected - we must start with ourselves. Respect your past. And wipe from the present those who are stained with brown paint our past. Without which, as you know, there can be no future.
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  1. Alexga April 20 2020 15: 18 New
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    The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.
    1. Svarog April 20 2020 15: 35 New
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      claims can only be against Putin, who (as usual, however) indifferently wants to watch his ministers have fun with Sovietophobia.

      Correctly the fish rots from the head ..
      1. Lannan Shi April 20 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        Speaking of human rights defenders. The very Chulan Lokhmatova has a friend and associate, I won’t voice my name, yeah. Also left-handed, philanthropist and others. And he has a rest house in the Vladimir region. So ... Adventure in the kitchen of this DOE. A young lady who cuts salads palm tore to the bone. The rhythm of work is Tsigel, Tsigel ai Liu Liu. Less than 5 minutes later, the guard threw her out of the gate, not allowing her to put on her jacket, the jacket flew separately from the hostess, and finally they voiced it. You’ve never worked here, you’ll start speaking - you’ll regret it, go to the bus stop, call an ambulance and figure out where you cut yourself. Oh yes. The human rights activist does not make out workers in friendship. But yes. They did give her the money for the days worked. True, I had to run after them. Here they are philanthropists and cryoprotectors in all its glory.
        1. AllXVahhaB April 21 2020 08: 08 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          I will not voice the surname

          Why so? I don’t know who it is. Though in PM throw off, if scared ...
          1. A.Lex April 22 2020 18: 37 New
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            Sanya, did he throw it to you? ... just for information .. (or maybe he’s a balabol) ...
          2. Lannan Shi April 22 2020 22: 45 New
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            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Though throw in PM, if scared ..

            Laponka ... But why should I be afraid of that? If only to confuse a surname, why and abstained to bring. I’m not sure, because the problem and the employer were not mine, but of the young lady whom she recruited to us. Workers feed. And the memory to load info, which is unnecessary to me ... Surname Bondarev like, if I am not mistaken. DO - VKS country, and that's for sure, and without errors.
        2. TANKISTONE April 22 2020 22: 27 New
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          Maybe burn the nest? Then, the following ... Peasants, earlier tea was not fools.
        3. Mwg
          Mwg April 24 2020 05: 25 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Svarog
          Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

          Speaking of human rights defenders. The very Chulan Lokhmatova has a friend and associate, I won’t voice my name, yeah. Also left-handed, philanthropist and others. And he has a rest house in the Vladimir region. So ... Adventure in the kitchen of this DOE. A young lady who cuts salads palm tore to the bone. The rhythm of work is Tsigel, Tsigel ai Liu Liu. Less than 5 minutes later, the guard threw her out of the gate, not allowing her to put on her jacket, the jacket flew separately from the hostess, and finally they voiced it. You’ve never worked here, you’ll start speaking - you’ll regret it, go to the bus stop, call an ambulance and figure out where you cut yourself. Oh yes. The human rights activist does not make out workers in friendship. But yes. They did give her the money for the days worked. True, I had to run after them. Here they are philanthropists and cryoprotectors in all its glory.

          - This is the main characteristic sign of a liberal - to eat at someone else's expense. In this case, eat due to hired hard workers
      2. CSKA April 20 2020 15: 53 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.
        1. Pushkar April 20 2020 16: 08 New
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          And who on Victory Day is blocking the Mausoleum with plywood? Mausoleum, at the foot of which in 1945 they threw the banners of the defeated III Reich? Who on Victory Day launches a tricolor ahead of the Victory Banner?
          1. Fan-fan April 21 2020 15: 02 New
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            I’ll add, but who forbids the referendum to Volgograd residents who want to return the glorious name to their city?
            1. silver169 April 21 2020 15: 16 New
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              Yes you are right. It’s high time to return the glorious name Tsaritsyn to this city.
              1. fruit_cake April 22 2020 10: 59 New
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                bots with Soviet flag avatars write against the Soviet state, you are such idiots
              2. DMB_95 April 22 2020 14: 37 New
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                Quote: silver169
                Yes you are right. It’s high time to return the glorious name Tsaritsyn to this city.

                Medal "For the defense of Stalingrad" on the chest of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and officers, the word "Tsaritsyn" was canceled.
            2. CSKA April 23 2020 12: 08 New
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              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I’ll add, but who forbids the referendum to Volgograd residents who want to return the glorious name to their city?

              And who banned? There is a discussion underway.
              https://bloknot-volgograd.ru/news/o-referendume-za-pereimenovanie-v-stalingrad-zagov-1089048
              Personally, I am for renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad, and Kaliningrad to Koenigsberg.
          2. CSKA April 21 2020 15: 18 New
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            Quote: Pushkar
            And who on Victory Day is blocking the Mausoleum with plywood?

            If everyone in power would criticize the USSR and everything that was done in the USSR, it was sovietophobia, and blocking the building with plywood is not sovietophobia.
            Quote: Pushkar
            Who on Victory Day launches a tricolor ahead of the Victory Banner?

            If you don’t know, then this is our national flag, and if you want to carry the flag of a country that is no longer there.
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              1. CSKA April 23 2020 11: 54 New
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                Yours is the flag of Downbas. There you sit.

                Your clown forgot to ask what I need to do.
        2. sergey32 April 20 2020 16: 31 New
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          The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault.
          As for the film, it did not cause me to be rejected. Our history is great and powerful and everything happened in it. The thirties is the time of great accomplishments. The forest was cut famously and the chips flew be healthy. In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.
          There was another time, 10 years as the brutal Civil War ended, and yet another Great One was clearly visible ahead. Stalin understood this very well. Hard times require hard decisions. The overwhelming majority of people, the Soviet government became their own, so they defended it and their homeland from a powerful enemy, but according to many destinies it went through the rink. Such is the bum.
          A huge hello to the Tatars. My best student life of 5 years has passed in Kazan.
          1. Cyril G ... April 20 2020 17: 08 New
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            Cho barge again? And your grandfather dumped everything to you ten?
            - "Tell us about the war" (p.).
            - “You don’t need to hear this from your granddaughters” (p.),
            Grandfathers tried to tell something good or funny to children, Real grandfathers were wise ...

            Attempts to show the real history of the 30s in the uh opus and not close. Tons of known substance were dumped ...
            1. sergey32 April 20 2020 17: 20 New
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              I was twelve. Grandfather after a stroke was paralyzed. He talked a lot about the 30s and about the war that one of the brothers went through and survived. I remember about the barge. I don’t know if he himself saw or heard at that time. At that time, we only studied industrialization, collectivization, Pavlik Morozov at school. I then went to my grandmother, asking, "Bab, and my grandfather is telling the truth about that time." "The truth, says, there were people who suffered in vain. Just keep quiet about it."
              1. Sergey S. April 20 2020 18: 28 New
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                Quote: sergey32
                there were people who suffered in vain. Just keep quiet about it

                And what's new here?
                Only when they talked about it, did they speak quietly, told the children to be silent ...
                This is from the realization of shame and domestic fear of injustice.
                It was...
                But these same people, when they met injustice, stood on their hind legs for truth and for their homeland ...

                And there were those who talk about abominations openly, not embarrassed ... and they make the same filthy movie with the joy of a sadist ... Where would they be ...
              2. Bobrovsky April 20 2020 21: 49 New
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                It turns out I myself have not seen. Well, that’s easier.
              3. ermak124.0 April 21 2020 06: 01 New
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                It always surprised me, grandfathers told their little grandchildren everything, everything, it’s right there, the truth is grain, hold it, the granddaughter is stronger, the truth is terrible in it. You see, it was dashing, they kept the whole country on bayonets and hunger ... But my father and mother, 1924 gr, an adult son, an officer, did not say anything except live and have fun. I named them Volkogonov (the bastard of Glavpurovskaya), Solzhenitsyn, Rybakov under his breath, and they laughed. Yes, and it’s difficult to live. Highly! Unbearable sometimes. But what about !!! The war, father drafted in June 1943, mother from the 42nd in hospitals of a military nurse, post-war devastation, service for garrison ibenes. And who should I believe, these granddaughters with invariable barges ??? Is it this Lokhmatov, or father, from an ordinary, a cadet to a lampas who has served, and to a mother-health worker ??? The answer is obvious. For me, the phrase "but my grandfather told me" has recently become a synonym for the phrase "according to British scientists" .... Sorry, we got these granddaughters.
                1. ermak124.0 April 21 2020 06: 21 New
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                  from a big mind, apparently
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                3. knn121121 April 22 2020 14: 32 New
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                  and it is true, thanks
              4. Altona April 21 2020 11: 25 New
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                Quote: sergey32
                Grandfather after a stroke was paralyzed.

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                I willingly believe that after a stroke, usually half of the face goes numb and this is very conducive to talking about psychopaths who met on the path of life.
              5. HaByxoDaBHocep April 23 2020 07: 03 New
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                My grandfather was serving in Kolyma, in 1939 he drowned in the Indigirka, he never told me anything about it, I found out about it after his death from my father and yes, he sat, that means he deserved it
            2. mister-red April 21 2020 13: 38 New
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              I agree. My grandfather never talked about the war, despite my questions. Once he just said that if it weren’t for 100g before the attack, the horseradish would come out of the trench under the bullets and shells. Honestly, he was little and then did not understand him.
              The first time I thought about this when schoolchildren on the 30th anniversary of Victory went to the film “They Fought for the Homeland” as a whole class. The movie itself is very heavy in places, but on the big screen it's something.
              And my grandfather managed to get a medal of 30 years of Victory and died a month later, so he didn’t have time to ask anything else.
              1. meandr51 April 21 2020 16: 25 New
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                It depends on personal qualities. My father was an infantry lieutenant in 44-45. He heard from him that before the attack he forbade drinking to his platoon and did not drink it himself. But then, if it was, then they accepted it. But supply on the offensive was unimportant. Not only vodka, but also crackers were often lacking. So they had to take Koenigsberg dry!
                1. mister-red 8 May 2020 17: 21 New
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                  I agree. But the grandfather was a peasant, and no matter how never even a Komsomol member. He was even partially dispossessed in the late 30s. And I don’t think that I was eager for the front. But after the war he always got up when the USSR anthem was played
          2. The leader of the Redskins April 20 2020 17: 09 New
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            Chaotic article. The fact that the author did not like the film - I realized ... But what is the film about? So I did not read or watch the film adaptation of the work. I am reading an article, but I cannot draw conclusions. Take Skorokhov u for a word? Is not a fact. Everyone has their own opinion.
            Well, I want to make comments to Roman. The nuances of family life indicated by him ... Roman! I saw such an attitude towards wives in Turkmenistan in 2002-2003, and you, apparently, mention the turn of the century!
            And the words of praise addressed to the Tatar people and Sultan Ahmed Khan were especially “touched” ... But was it not in VO that they stigmatized “Haytarma” several years ago ?!
            1. Altona April 21 2020 11: 26 New
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              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              And what is the film about? So I did not read or watch the film adaptation of the work. I am reading an article, but I cannot draw conclusions. Take Skorokhov u for a word?

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              It’s better not to watch modern adaptations at all, a solid anti-Soviet Marvel. That’s why I don’t look, then I look at reviews only.
            2. Leonleon April 21 2020 12: 58 New
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              There is a line of the dead. Broadcast of the horrors of the NKVD. Front fascists, behind the NKVD. Not about anything, but why on the occasion of the 75th anniversary
          3. Fitter65 April 21 2020 01: 40 New
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            Quote: sergey32
            He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area.

            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Cho barge again?

            And if you listen, then such barges are only on the Amur River from Khabarovsk to Nikolaevsk-on-Amur, right at each turn of the river, three of them were drowned. And also the steamboats from Vanino to Magadan, the entire Tatar Strait were hammered. And how many of these barges from Krasnoyarsk down to the Yenisei to Dudinka drowned ... Barge builders only had time to make these barges so that the NKVDeshniki had time to drown repressed in these freshly built barges, we also do not forget about the construction of steamers for the Vanino-Magadan line. Therefore, during the Soviet era, there were only two shipbuilding plants in the Khabarovsk Territory, and they worked in 3-4 shifts ... laughing
            1. Crossbill April 21 2020 03: 27 New
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              Dear Alexander! Three shipyards were in the Khabarovsk Territory. Two in Khabarovsk, one in Komsomolsk.
              1. Fitter65 April 21 2020 06: 36 New
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                Two in Khabarovsk,

                As far as I remember in Khabarovsk, one shipyard was at No. 151 at the beginning of life, then it became "The Name of the 60th Anniversary of the USSR", and before that it was ship repair, if by the second plant you mean Daldiesel that built a diesel engine for ships, then this is not entirely true.
                1. Crossbill April 21 2020 07: 24 New
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                  Another plant named after Kirov (formerly 368)
                  1. Fitter65 April 21 2020 08: 09 New
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                    Quote: Crossbill
                    Another plant named after Kirov (formerly 368)

                    Exactly, it was like this, almost 20 years since this enterprise was closed. By the way, this plant built mainly river ships and barges for the rivers of the Far East ... In the current realities, there was no one else to drown on barges, the need for river vessels has become much less ... And so much less that all day you can not see a single boat, larger than a boat of the Amur type, passing under a bridge in Komsomolsk ...
                    1. Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 13 New
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                      Nope .. wink They were always imprisoned at sea. And the delivery base they had was in Vladivostok. And they mainly riveted seiners, squid trolleys, refrigerators, science .. For 8-12 ships a year ..
                      1. Fitter65 April 21 2020 12: 40 New
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                        Quote: Crossbill
                        They were always imprisoned at sea.

                        1932 - the Oston shipyard (OSipovsky ZATON) was put into operation in Khabarovsk, originally intended for the assembly of small vessels that were delivered in the form of machine kits from the European part of the country ...
                        In 1935, the plant was assigned No. 368, and on April 17, by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR No. 181, it was named after S. M. Kirov. The following year, it was transferred to the Main Directorate of River Shipbuilding Industry of the People's Commissariat of Heavy Industry of the USSR.
                        Since August 1937 - under the jurisdiction of the Main Directorate of River Shipbuilding Industry of the People's Commissariat of Mechanical Engineering of the USSR.

                        So at first he was engaged in river construction ... In those very years when barges were really needed laughing
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                        You sho !!!! Yes, for such a thing I would lean against the wall !!! Irrational use of small vessels !!! Only huge non-self-propelled barges to immediately fit 50 thousand, and preferably 100 !!!
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              4. Even in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur.
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                Yeah. I always thought that they were only involved in ship repair, and they were also building something.
          4. Koshak April 21 2020 17: 49 New
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            How was shipping in general possible under such conditions? and in the 30s. and now - these barges are unlikely to be raised ... stop
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              Quote: Koshak
              How was shipping in general possible under such conditions? and in the 30s. and now - these barges are unlikely to be lifted ..

              So shipping was not the main task of that time, the main thing was to send the innocent to the Gulag, and since many (unambiguously illegal) survived the Holodomor, they were sent to their barge, to barge. And what do you think, then he is a bloody dictator. After all, see how many "non-living" films are made. One "Burnt Sun" is worth it, about other opuses such as "penal battalion" and why not say it (I just looked at it from me) ... Well, in the 90s the "metallers" fed up everything, but they sent it to Korea for metal. .. hi good
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            But the following is interesting to me. From where did his grandfather know about a particular barge? After all, the NKVD officers knew about this only.
            It makes me think.
            Grandpa didn’t finish something.
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          In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.

          Just do not give out for your memories crap deducted from Solzh ...
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          The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault

          I join. Particularly surprised by the author’s attitude to the words of Khamatova that she does not like the Great Patriotic War. Probably the author loves ....
        5. 72jora72 April 22 2020 06: 14 New
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          In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He served urgently in the NKVD troops
          And then my granddaughter, they shot me ...... (c).
      3. neri73-r April 20 2020 17: 14 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        Threw on the fan and satisfied! He expects that they will do the work for him, throw examples, and then he will continue to throw them.
      4. victor50 April 20 2020 18: 35 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        About the USSR and "only galoshes" remember ?! A graduate of the law faculty did not declare a “coup” instead of the October Revolution? About the parade on November 7, which is "in honor of the parade on November 7, 1941"?
        It’s just right away .. Not enough? However, you say, "you never know what he could say to foreign journalists for political reasons for the good of the state!" laughing
        1. Kuzmitsky April 20 2020 22: 01 New
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          And what is anti-Soviet in the phrase "October Revolution"? For example, most of Lenin’s comrades-in-arms who personally participated in the revolution of the 17th year, used it and not the Great October Socialist Revolution in their articles and books. The second phrase was invented when most of them were no longer alive.

          And why is the November 7, 1941 parade less significant than the October Revolution itself? By the way, in the 41st year, our ancestors saved their country from destruction, from Red Square they went to the front. And in the 17th, one half of the country went with arms against the other (if you simplify, in reality there were much more parties to the conflict).

          See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution. Although the PR is a part of our history, part of the foundation on which modern Russia stands.
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            See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution.

            Then you need to figure out who defended the Fatherland, and who fought with the citizens of their country. Not so long ago, 100 years have passed since American troops destroying civilians
            left the territory of the Russian Far East, and there were also the British (without them at all, when and how) with their concentration camps, the French with their atrocious warriors (we honor the "series" called French military exotics) Recall the Czechoslovakians who erected the monuments and other commemorative signs in the cities where they committed atrocities ... The Japanese are yet another liberator of Russia from the Far East. Finns who, until 1922, twice invaded the territory of the RSFSR ... Germans, Poles, Romanians and others ... And who drove them out of the borders of the then young Soviet Country? Who is this great warlord? Denikin? Yudenich? Krasnov? Kolchak? Or Wrangel? Yes, it seems, like the units and subdivisions of the military commanders listed above did not mess themselves up with military operations with the invaders and occupiers, but rather, they were eager to destroy Soviet power with them ...
          2. victor50 April 21 2020 15: 20 New
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            And what is anti-Soviet in the phrase "October Revolution"?

            A coup is a change of power within the ruling system. I think you know this, no need to pretend. A revolution can be called a revolution only with the aim of belittling its significance and showing some contempt for the event that the graduate of the law faculty, where he was taught to distinguish one event from another, did it with pleasure.
            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            And why is the November 7, 1941 parade less significant than the October Revolution itself?

            No less significant, but secondary to the Revolution. For without her he would not have been carried out. And how hypocritical it sounds now: a parade in honor of the parade. sad
            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            By the way, in the 41st year, our ancestors saved their country from destruction, from Red Square they went to the front.

            So what? My grandfather’s brother probably participated in this parade. And really right from the parade to the front. There is an amazing letter to him on the eve of his death. He did not need to explain the difference between the coup and the revolution and in honor of which the parade was held.
            1. Kuzmitsky April 21 2020 16: 52 New
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              The revolution was called a coup by Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc., i.e., people. who made this very revolution. If in doubt, look for information. Moreover, under the word "coup" they meant a violent change of power, that is, a revolution. A revolution sounds more beautiful, although it is synonymous with a coup. For example, the “revolution of hygiene" sounds beautiful, but this does not cease to be a coup in essence.
              1. victor50 April 21 2020 17: 36 New
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                The revolution was called a coup by Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc.

                You, apparently, mean the famous words of Lenin: "The revolution, about which the Bolsheviks spoke so much ..."? You would refer to something. From the fact that it was called a coup, it did not cease to be essentially a revolution. So for what purpose is the president consciously doing this?
                1. Kuzmitsky April 21 2020 17: 59 New
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                  Why immediately Lenin? You need links - I have them. Here is Stalin, for example (he certainly is not a contra):

                  OCTOBER coup

                  (October 24 and 25, 1917 in Petrograd)

                  The most important events that accelerated the October uprising were: the intention of the Provisional Government (after the surrender of Riga) to surrender Petrograd, the preparation of the Kerensky government to move to Moscow, the decision of the command of the old army to transfer the entire garrison of Petrograd to the front, leaving the capital defenseless, and, finally, hectic the work of the black congress, led by Rodzianko, in Moscow - the work of organizing the counter-revolution. All this in connection with the growing economic devastation and with the unwillingness of the front to continue the war, determined the inevitability of a quick and strictly organized uprising, as the only way out of this situation.

                  From the end of September, the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party decided to mobilize all the forces of the party to organize a successful uprising. To this end, the Central Committee decided to organize the Military Revolutionary Committee in St. Petersburg, to achieve the abandonment of the Petrograd garrison in the capital and to convene the All-Russian Congress of Soviets. Such a congress could be the only successor to power. The preliminary conquest of the most influential in the rear and at the front Soviets of deputies of Moscow and Petrograd was certainly included in the general plan for organizing the uprising.

                  The central organ of the Workers' Party, obeying the instructions of the Central Committee, began openly calling for insurrection, preparing the workers and peasants for a decisive battle.

                  The first open skirmish with the Provisional Government took place on the basis of the closure of the Bolshevik newspaper Rabochiy Put. By order of the Provisional Government, the newspaper was closed. By order of the Military Revolutionary Committee, it was opened in a revolutionary way. The seals were torn off, the commissars of the Provisional Government were removed from their posts. That was October 24th.

                  On October 24, in a number of important state institutions, the commissars of the Military Revolutionary Committee forcibly removed representatives of the Provisional Government, as a result of which these institutions fell into the hands of the Military Revolutionary Committee, and the entire apparatus of the Provisional Government was disorganized. On this day (October 24), the entire garrison, all regiments in Petrograd resolutely went over to the side of the Military Revolutionary Committee, with the exception of only a few cadet schools and an armored division. The behavior of the Provisional Government was marked by indecision. Only in the evening did it begin to occupy bridges with shock battalions, having managed to breed some of them. In response to this, the Military Revolutionary Committee moved sailors and Vyborg Red Guards, who, having removed the shock battalions and dispersed them, themselves occupied the bridges. From that moment an open rebellion began. A number of our regiments were moved with the task of encircling the entire area occupied by the headquarters and the Winter Palace. The Provisional Government met in the Winter Palace. The transfer of the armored division to the side of the Military Revolutionary Committee (late at night on October 24) accelerated the favorable outcome of the uprising.

                  On October 25, a congress of Soviets opened, to which the conquered power was transferred by the Military Revolutionary Committee.

                  Early in the morning of October 26, after the Aurora bombardment of the Winter Palace and the headquarters, after a shootout between Soviet troops and cadets in front of the Winter Palace, the Provisional Government surrendered.

                  The inspirer of the coup about the beginning to end was the Central Committee of the Party, headed by Comrade Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich then lived in Petrograd, on the Vyborg side, in a safe house. On October 24, in the evening, he was called to Smolny to lead the movement.

                  An outstanding role in the October uprising was played by the Baltic sailors and Red Guards from the Vyborg side. With the extraordinary courage of these people, the role of the Petrograd garrison was reduced mainly to the moral and partly military support of the advanced fighters.

                  Pravda No. 241,

                  November 6 1918 city

                  J. Stalin


                  And no one burned that Stalin called the revolution a coup. By the way, the literal translation of the word "revolution" is a coup
                  1. victor50 April 21 2020 19: 25 New
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                    called a coup.

                    2 times the title and once in the text. And another question, for what reason in the historical context. And in other cases, rebellion. Where is Lenin? Trotsky? or is Stalin's permanent name after 18? In addition, you did not say anything about galoshes.
          3. 72jora72 April 22 2020 06: 17 New
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            See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution.
            Do you know that Civil began before the October Revolution?
      5. Xnumx vis April 20 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: CSKA
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        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        You don’t explain anything to them .. They don’t need to think. The main thing is to drive the wave! Capercaillie on a current !!!The history of the country in all its diversity is not interesting. There were no dispossessed. There were no repressed. There was no history of the country .. There was a comrade Stalin leader and hope! A kind of "Kolisurengoy" on the contrary. The film itself is also disgusting and uninteresting to them ... I’m sure they didn’t even watch or watch. A film about people .. About human relationships. About the fact that it is necessary to remain human in any situation.
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          Quote: 30 vis
          A film about people .. About human relationships. About the fact that it is necessary to remain human in any situation.

          Fiercely plus. But someone sees bowel movements everywhere. This is a strange social phenomenon, but it can lead only to one thing: to the ugliness of history (with subsequent relapses), to indifference to someone else's pain.
        2. Mordvin 3 April 20 2020 22: 53 New
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          You "they" do not explain anything ..

          And what does he interpret? In addition to the question I do not see any interpretation.
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            Quote: 30 vis
            You "they" do not explain anything ..

            And what does he interpret? In addition to the question I do not see any interpretation.

            And the fact of the matter is that you do not want to understand .. Capercaillie on a current!
        3. blackice April 22 2020 07: 29 New
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          There was a comrade Stalin leader and hope! A kind of "Kolisurengoy" on the contrary

          For the image of Stalin, many see the revival of Russia as a Power. With a capital letter. Until the year 90, not a single country in the world allowed wiping its feet on the USSR, as everyone is doing it now. And it was built under Stalin.
          Let me remind you once again that all foreign countries admired how Russia left the agrarian country by the beginning of WWII as an industrial power. Yes, it was a great sacrifice, but it was inevitable. And the result justified everything.
          Otherwise, the peoples of the USSR drowned the stoves of Auschwitz.
          1. Xnumx vis April 22 2020 07: 50 New
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            For the image of Stalin, many see the revival of Russia as a Power. With a capital letter. Until the year 90, not a single country in the world allowed wiping its feet on the USSR, as everyone is doing it now. And it was built under Stalin.

            Yes, Stalin is an unusual value in world history. Great and controversial. Until now, no one has taken to make a feature film - "Stalin" ... It is difficult for many reasons. There are a lot of good and bad in this man ... I, not about Stalin. I'm not to judge . I'm about the possible course of history .--- They did not kill Stolypin .. There is no revolution in the Russian Empire. The First World War ended in victory ... Probably the Russian Empire would have managed without these victims of the industrial revolution and the Second World War would not have happened .. And there would have been 500-600 million people living in our Great (Without a doubt, and without the participation of Lenin, Stalin!) . Lived well! Therefore, with all my heart I do not want new revolutions and Maidan in Russia.
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        The fact that in the USSR, apart from galoshes, nothing was produced, do you think should be regarded as praise?
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        Putin was engaged in sovietophobia?

        What kind of flare - if the Soviet, then good ... There that r ... they didn’t take off ??? .... (((

        There’s something else scary - no need to trample the memory of neither imperial Russia, nor the USSR, nor modern Russia ... Respect and patriotism be a Veteran of ALL wars ... soldier
        Putin has nothing to do with it ... You just need a healthy society !!!
        And how to display this "cultural" I don’t know the locusts, but I’ll listen to recipes from you! wink
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      Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

      A quote from Roman Skomorokhov, with reference to Chulpan Khomatova:
      Quote: Svarog
      For example, I hate the Great Patriotic War, I can not be proud of it.

      The author tries to expose Chulpan Khomatova and, obviously, loves the Great Patriotic War. And now, following Chulpan Khomatova, I can’t love her. One can be proud of the staunchness and courage of the people (both soldiers and those who worked at the rear as we never dreamed of), we can and should be proud of the greatest victory - but only a person with deviations can love the war and be proud of the war itself. The war mutilated one of my grandfathers and killed the second. Can I love the war for this? The victory only happened because our grandfathers fiercely hated the war and managed to break the ridge to its instigators. Honor to them for this and praise.
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      Firstly, of course, they showed how the Tatars lived. We lived richly. To the envy of everyone.
      Author /, well, are you lying? The life is shown not of the Tatars, but of Murtaza. Murtaza’s fist is not all Tatars. This is only Murtaza.
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      Murtaza is a spit in the face of all Tatars.
      But for some reason, not a word has been said about the percentage at which the “fists" loaned grain for sowing to poorer villagers. In general, these were the first microloan organizations in the world, if that.
      And not a word about the burned village councils, the killed engineers, machine operators, teachers, doctors ...
      The author, you already decide. Either your Murtaza should be shown with angel wings, then he is kulak ...
      Well, how Murtaza realizes his sexual needs is shown in the film. I’m not sure that the real Tatars clapped their hands, watching and saying “Yaksha!”
      Did you want beautiful sex? Offended aesthetically?
      The movie, which was shot according to the pitiful little book of Yakhina, has the entire mandatory set of modernity: a really dumb Tatar woman
      Do you think that a woman who was married at age 15, who is unlikely to read and saw nothing in her life, except everyday plowing, should have seven spans in her forehead, like Sofia Kovalevskaya? I think that the Russian peasant women, too, did not know the polites and courtesy treatment.
      What should I do with 161 Tatar - Hero of the Soviet Union? And with the seven Crimean Tatars Heroes? And one double Hero?
      Is someone asking the author to do something? Heroes and without his participation will remain heroes. Regardless of nationality.
      In general, in addition to hysteria and fraud, I did not find anything in this opus. Besides, perhaps, really our native: “I didn’t really look, but I didn’t understand what I was watching, but I angrily condemn and demand that the creators use the highest measure of social education, preferably with green brush on their forehead and even a violation of Lenin’s norms.
      1. Lyuba1965_01 April 20 2020 20: 30 New
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        If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly. Then what kind of tragedy are we talking about in the book (by the way, sheer graphomania), in the film?
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          Graphomania, speak?
          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly. Then what kind of tragedy are we talking about in the book (by the way, sheer graphomania), in the film?
          Have you read the book? Watched a movie? No one has exiled Murtazu anywhere. He was killed at the very beginning, he is a passing figure. If you are SO reading books, then you simply have no right to judge their quality.
          In general, it’s a fun phenomenon: our television is jam-packed with crappy TV shows with plain-looking actors, ridiculous scenarios, a stream of murder and violence scenes - and at least someone remembered them on VO. On other channels, American chewing gum with Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and other nonsense is constantly spinning, demonstrating the alleged genetic superiority of homo Americanus over all others - and again this does not outrage anyone. But here comes the domestic film that other people remain human under cattle conditions, that the commandant of the special settlement is not really cattle, and there are great actors in this film - and then fanatics come running, mumble something about the conspiracy of the "Jewish Freemasons ", about the reproach of honor and how good it was in the thirties.
          It is also funny that the same fighters for the luminous image of the thirties a year ago yelled about insulting the luminous image of the czar-priest in the film "Matilda". Maybe you, gentlemen, it's time to decide - either remove the cross or put on your underpants?
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            I started reading this book and could not stand it for more than three pages, it’s impossible to read! A complete nightmare in the literary plan. Then she just looked over and realized that she had done the right thing, that she had not read further.
            I tried to start watching the series and threw shelter almost in the middle of the first series!
            And now I have a few questions (not only about this nonsense, but generally about the latest films about that time):
            - Why NKVDshnikov always show stupid, aggressive and evil?
            - Why are always and everywhere NKVDshniki only Russian? Why are employees of this department of another nationality not shown anywhere?
            Why is it unknown why Russians should be forgiven? All kind, and only Russian are so nasty?
            - Why are we forced to feel sorry for the fists, traitors and enemies? A man hid a bag of grain, buried it in the ground (no matter where, most importantly, in the ground). This means that this grain will simply disappear, which I understand, even not a villager. So why did he do this? Out of mischief? Not me, so nobody?
            - Why in all films of our time there is a negative for our country of that time? Was there nothing good? So untrue, it was, and a lot. But nobody recalls this. Why are there no modern films about how Soviet people built new factories in Stalin's time, factories, how Stalin stopped forest plantation and hunger in the Volga region by forest planting? Want a historical truth? Let's say. But then let them make films about how the kulaks killed livestock on collective farms, killed collective farmers, so that it was clear why they were being exiled. And it turns out that only the Communists and the NKVD officers are crap, and they all exiled just like that, out of boredom. And they were completely innocent in the camps.
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          If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly.

          As far as I know, in the village of Sibirovka, in the summer of 1917, land and all property were taken from the landowner. The property was divided equally, and the land was divided by the number of workers. Under Soviet rule, land redistribution was arranged regularly. I don’t know the principle, according to the number of workers or consumers. Some worked better, they were called fists, some worse than their poor. In addition, children appeared who were young and could not work, the family became poor, children grew up and passed into the category of fists. More boys are closer to the fists, more girls are closer to the poor. A blacksmith or veterinarian or agronomist or just read books on agriculture and used science means fist. The poor in the village were a little sorry. Particularly poor, that is, ideological poor did not sow at all, did not plow, but lived for their own pleasure. For them, the world plowed, processed and gathered bread. But he got such an ideological poor man of bread so much that he could only not die from hunger. It was problematic for such a poor man to find a wife if he was not a merry harmonist. Interestingly, taxes from such a poor person were taken less, and more from working people. Therefore, by 1930, everyone wanted to occupy a niche between the middle peasant and the poor. You don’t have to humiliate yourself before the tax inspector, And Comrade Stalin realized that with such a system, commodity bread for industrialization could not be collected. Therefore, they drove the village of Sibrovka into a collective farm, and put in the leaders the most ideological and principled poor people who were given the power to exile and pardon. They deported those from whom they were afraid to get a butt on the head or a red rooster for disagreeing in assessing the current moment. And the great turning point began. After the famine of the early thirties, everything gradually settled down. Someone who fundamentally did not want to work on a collective farm left for MTS or for the city. Realizing that if all the bread was taken, the country would die of starvation in 10 years and so that the collective farm chairmen would not degenerate into slaveholders, Stalin allowed the peasants to have a personal plot from which the family could feed themselves, even if the chairman tried to starve them out of personal revenge paying for workdays only sticks. But from one household plot it became difficult to feed. Grandmother told how they instructed the relative "Have a godfather conscience, steal on a collective farm!" If you don’t steal, your children will die of hunger. "The unscrupulous godfather did not steal and his children died. And whoever had the conscience and stole, but fed and watered the collective farm leadership on the stolen one, he was even able to get a certificate, "that we were confused by de shaitan and we dispossessed such an error. Bring back those who on Sakhalin or Kazakhstan did not die of hunger and disease in the village of Sibrovka. " It is interesting how the war affected the collective farm system. During the war, everyone was taken from the collective farm bins and then everyone became equal. All collective farm activists-komedovtsy died of hunger. And then the slow fading of the village began. The country's leadership was afraid to let the villagers go out of their hands and came up with new quirks, then the personal plots would be taken away, then the taxes on the garden would make it easier to lime, then the feed for the cow would start to get in the way. Sibyrovka village disappeared between 1970 and 1980. Unfortunately, the harsh truth is apparently not needed by modern authorities, and they brought out some fantastic odious characters with Freudian inclinations in the film. So both the Tatars and the Russians did not accept the film. There is no most important truth about collective farm life, about the conflict between a fool and a lazy person by the will of a case soaring to an exorbitantly high post for him and an intelligent man whom this state power forces to waste his strength and abilities empty-handed.
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            I confirm that not everything was “smooth” in our past. My grandfather, for example, was also considered a fist, and in about 1928, he was evicted from the Ukrainian village to the Urals with his family. He simply turned out to be the richest in the village, and the authorities had to carry out the plan for dispossession. They survived with difficulty, but there was no resentment against the country, all four grandfather's children learned and survived, only his son died in the Second World War.
            Of course, this is neither right nor normal, but is it normal that great people like Tupalev and Koralev were also punished, does anyone even believe that Tupalev is an English spy?
            So there was a lot of injustice then, although now it is enough.
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              Tupalev and Koralov

              fool
            2. Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 21: 43 New
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              There was no plan for dispossession, it was just rumors. Who in the village was determined by the fists of the village themselves.
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            It is strange to read such opuses. Although, who knows, maybe unique people lived in your Sibirka and worked for those who did not want to work, and they also provided bread. Only all this is idle talk. People, of course, are different and their interests are different, and they work differently. Sometimes even random people come across in leadership positions, poor in knowledge and ability to organize a business. They rush about trainings, seminars in the hope of getting a prescription on how to do business, but they do not succeed because they are not capable of this. Most often these are people professing a liberal management style that gives a lot of freedom and democracy in the workplace, which is attractive, but not effective.
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              Although, who knows, maybe unique people lived in your Sibirka and worked for those who did not want to work

              And what has changed since then in modern Russia? The owners keep many workers in their firms out of pity. What is the use of Rogozin at the head of Roscosmos for Putin? But this is his man, he is sorry, why offend the relative of a respected colleague? Or Mrs. Vasilieva. If she was a stranger, would she be able to find herself on a recognizance not to leave, after enormous embezzlement, where could she prove herself to be an actress in shooting cool clips? Likewise, in the village of Sibrovka, the lazy people there were brothers and matchmakers, and relatives did not let them starve to death .. Or take Serdyukov, whom the military not only despised but publicly called into the eyes of a man. How much time did they endure it?
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          If Murtaza was a fist, then they sent him right

          What does it mean right? They’ll come to your dacha tomorrow, they’ll take everyone and you to Siberia with your family
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            They’ll come to you tomorrow
            That's what you are afraid of ... sad
          2. Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 17: 47 New
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            If she had lived dishonestly, if she had stolen, then under Stalin they could have been taken. For me - I will not hide, it would be very insulting and difficult. But the country would be useful. The point is not only in me, a specific person, but in showing the whole country that thieves will come, that they will be imprisoned. Or is it better as it is now - steal billions and live quietly?
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              and who stole the fists, provided that they work for themselves, and not for the collective farm? And for what, as you say, was he "exiled" correctly?
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                Apparently, you are clearly not a villager, since you do not understand the elementary.
                Why can not let the hardworking middle peasant become a fist? His wealth is limited by the size of his land allotment. As long as he uses the land that his family received on the principle of dividing by the number of male eaters, this peasant will not be able to get much wealth, because the yield in the fields is completely limited. It works well, works poorly, a relatively small field leads to the fact that the peasant remains poor enough. In order for the peasant to become rich, he must take something from other peasants.
                Moreover, the problem of kulaks also existed in the Russian Empire, where wealthy peasants managed to crush the village. Although the rural community itself partially protected from the growth of kulak tenure, and the kulaks began to appear mainly after the Stolypin reform, when some became wealthy, in fact bought up all the lands of their fellow villagers, forced the fellow villagers to work for themselves, became large sellers of bread, in fact, became already the bourgeoisie.
                In addition, if you think that what kind of authorities determined who the fist is and who is not, then someone has deceived you.
                Who the fist was determined by the villagers themselves, so there simply couldn’t be any plan to eliminate them.
                1. 2 Level Advisor April 22 2020 08: 38 New
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                  Love, to your point of view, there are a number of questions:
                  “As long as he uses the land that his family received according to the principle of dividing by the number of male eaters, this peasant will not be able to get much wealth, because the yield in the fields is quite limited. Works well, works poorly, a relatively small field leads to the peasant remains poor enough. In order for the peasant to become rich he must take something from other peasants. As long as he uses the land that his family received on the basis of the principle of dividing by the number of male eaters, this peasant will not be able to get much wealth, because "the yield in the fields is quite limited. It works well, works poorly, a relatively small field leads to the farmer remaining poor enough. In order for the farmer to become rich he must take something from other peasants."

                  Gender was not divided between the number of eaters, but both sexes, and when it began, all the peasants were on an equal footing.

                  "It works well, it works poorly, a relatively small field leads to the fact that the peasant remains poor enough. In order for the peasant to become rich he must take something from other peasants."

                  The increase in land allotments began Stolypin, before that it simply could not be taken away, and the community was the main, would not give. "In 1906-1907, according to the tsar’s instructions, part of the state and specific land was transferred to a peasant bank for sale to peasants in order to reduce the land deficit. In addition, the Bank conducted a large-scale purchase of land with subsequent resale to peasants on favorable terms, mediation operations to increase peasant land use "He increased the loan to the peasants and made it cheaper, and the bank paid a higher percentage of its obligations than the peasants paid. The difference in payment was covered by subsidies from the budget, amounting to 1906 billion rubles from 1917 to 1457.5."
                  It turns out that those who were more active were not afraid to take credit and work on credit land in order to recapture its value with the crop, and as a result, began to have a large allotment and to hire people is a "bad fist". Did they give him land? and who prevented others from doing so - fear, laziness? And then they determined the kulaks — they work for him, gives loans — all is a fist.
                  You know, now some also say, since you live in a good house, a good car means "bad" and "parasite", I have the impression that you are defending this point of view.
                  1. Lyuba1965_01 April 22 2020 18: 56 New
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                    It all depends on several factors. 1 Number of family members and their gender. The family in which the majority of women (and it happens that there are 5 children in the family, and all the girls) could hardly become kulak families. The families where more boys were born were in a better position. 2. Regions of Russia where peasants lived. Agree that you can not compare the climate and fertility of the Krasnodar Territory and the Volga region, where there were frequent crop failures due to climatic and natural conditions. 3. It also depended on what allotments the peasants received, what was cultivated on these lands earlier, a wetland or, next to the forest, an open area. 4. It also mattered which girl the boys married from, what family she was from, what was given in the dowry. It happened that there were few men in the family, the family was not very wealthy, and some land allotment was given in the dowry. 5. Well, the very nature of man. There are those who have a conscience and, even if they have become wealthy, but paid the workers honestly, did not rob them of their last debt. And there were those who could leave the debtor without anything at all.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor April 23 2020 08: 41 New
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                      I completely agree with you, by the way, much of what you wrote and in modern life has not changed. (I'm talking about the initial conditions) Well .. In the one who was born and in which family and where, it turns out how lucky in life ..
                      As for the land, there was a program for resettlement to Siberia / Urals with super-concessional loans and super-cheap land and at EBN, which I don’t like, for example, just the ancestors of the kulaks in the Urals from such ..
                      And about those who lived next to those who took the latter, one could still move to try many .. but - the character, "where you were born, it came in handy," "land of ancestors", etc. Although in their respect, they take away, I can’t say that I would not support such dispossession of kulaks .. Although, again, in our time, there are many such “fists” around the world ..
                      That's why, with which I particularly agree, what depended most on character. But when dispossessed, the above did not bother anyone.
                      Then, according to the main signs, "hired labor and gave loans," they were dispossessed, under this category, everyone could be pulled up and personal qualities did not bother anyone. Since, an order came to indicate all those who "hired labor and gave loans", but do not indicate, you yourself will suffer for concealment, because not one of the "fists" is left, neither good nor bad in the end. I think, simply because hired labor on a private trader, as a phenomenon destroyed, did not fit into the ideology, although in the end, work for the state for a fee is also hired labor, even indirectly - "through the collective farm".
                      That’s why I wrote to you initially in your words about the kulaks, "to show the whole country that thieves will come, that they will be imprisoned. Or is it better, as of now, to steal in billions and live quietly?" etc., because I didn’t understand the connection between thieves and fists, a thief is a criminal, and a huge number of “fists” nevertheless, through their work, legally achieved a “fist” state, rather than stealing from the treasury, as some " Colonels / Governors. "
                    2. Lyuba1965_01 April 23 2020 09: 31 New
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                      And how does a thief differ from any employer who rats his employees to pay? He's exactly the same thief, even worse. A person works, does not mess around, and for this they try to cut back on his already meager earnings. But the employee is forced to even go to such work, because you need to feed your family, and you must live on something yourself. In fact, employers (probably heard about conspiracies, as they relate to wages as well) take advantage of a person’s hopeless situation, and a thief uses credulity and defenselessness in some cases. Only a thief can be imprisoned (if he stole a little, of course, or did not share with anyone), and the employer steals from his employees by law. So I don’t see any particular fundamental difference between thieves and those who use hired labor. As for moving to Siberia at the EBN, there wasn’t much difference either with him or when the kulaks were sent there. By and large, there is only one difference: the kulaks were sent there, and under EBN they offered to go voluntarily. In both cases, people went nowhere.
                    3. 2 Level Advisor April 23 2020 15: 28 New
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                      Lyuba, we started with the kulaks, and have already come to unscrupulous employers, I myself do not mind punishing them. I wrote about the fact that initially the peasants did not have kulak employers, when the Stolypin reform in nature appeared, they were able to rise from the same peasants. And how fair do you think the “fist” has earned 100 rubles, you need to hand out 90 to everyone? Or everyone should get a penny, and so that the head of the "state", but it’s not a shame to anyone ..
                      If we talk about employers .. Love, you write "So I do not see any particularly fundamental difference between thieves and those who use wage labor."
                      So, non-wage labor, these are just “fists” and entrepreneurs .. the rest are all wage earners in the world .. A person came for example .. well, for example, after college, to work at school or there as a driver in a government agency, salary 12-15 tr, work for hire, is this the state that they are stealing from, or is it a normal salary? But in a commercial school the teacher, the driver in the bank - salaries are several times higher for the same job ..
        4. Pilat2009 April 22 2020 12: 31 New
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          if she had lived dishonestly, if she had stolen, then under Stalin they could have taken

          Well, did you steal your fists? Who is interested? Take an interest in the history of collectivization
          1. Lyuba1965_01 April 22 2020 18: 58 New
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            I know the history of collectivization quite well, you can rest assured. And yes, fists did not steal. They simply took the last from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation. They cut off the already small fee for any reason, they could leave the debtor literally poor.
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              They cut off the already small fee for any reason, they could leave the debtor literally poor.

              As far as I remember from my grandmother’s stories, my fists did not commit any extraordinary robberies. As I understand it, the percentage of kulaks was the same as for Alfa-Bank or VTB credit cards. Modern organizations on microloans take much more than fists, and collectors use more stringent methods than the armpits of the time. In addition, the Soviet government taxed the kulaks with a progressive tax, unlike the owners and top managers of modern banks. If you approve of repression against the kulaks, then the next step is to approve the expulsion to Solovki of all microcredit and collectors and dispossession of all bankers.
              1. Lyuba1965_01 April 23 2020 16: 34 New
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                If you approve of repression against the kulaks, then the next step is to approve the expulsion to Solovki of all microcredit and collectors and dispossession of all bankers.

                You directly guess my thoughts and desires.
                The famous breeder Ryabushinsky wrote like this: “In the Moscow unwritten merchant hierarchy, the industrialist-manufacturer stood at the top of respect, then the merchant-merchant came, and from below stood a man who gave money in growth, took into account bills, forced capital to work. He was not very respected, no matter how cheap his money may be, and no matter how decent he himself is. Interest rate ... "
                But Henry Ford, all his life he defended a simple organization of the American economy: production and trade should be exclusively in private hands, but banks, to one and all, should belong exclusively to the state.
                Because manufacturers and traders receive honest income from the production and sale of specific products - but the banker makes money from the air, through combinations with other people's money, which harms the real economy ...
            2. Pilat2009 April 23 2020 11: 38 New
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              they took the last from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation

              Was it during the Soviet era? And where did the authorities look at that time? You know, I read the Quiet Don, Dauria-books that passed some kind of censorship, even in the damned tsarist era, each Cossack had his own and no one died of hunger. And the shares were distributed who pulls what. That is, there was some kind of control. And yes, now you try not to pay a loan or a mortgage
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              the latter was taken from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation. They cut off their already small fee

              In collective farm times it was a common occurrence when the collective farm worked only for sticks and for the right to have a personal plot and not to be dispossessed. When Khrushchev reduced repression and arbitrariness then had to increase pay for workdays.
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                What nonsense, who told you this? I have a grandmother from Don, a Cossack. They paid the peasants, even if not very much, but it didn’t completely depend on the authorities. They don’t earn much on agricultural products, they almost always subsidize all countries, which is understandable: providing the country with its own agricultural products is the key to its security and independence from deliveries from other countries. But at that time the country could not pay much to the peasants, there was not enough money for much. Industrialization was also carried out, which also required large investments, and this same industrialization was beneficial for the peasants, because they received new agricultural equipment, combines, tractors, etc. It was difficult not only for them, but for the whole country.
                1. gsev April 24 2020 22: 11 New
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                  What nonsense, who told you this?

                  At different times, in different places they paid differently. In addition, over time, collective farm life began to enter into a civilized framework. All the horrors in Sibirka occurred in the 30s. As I understand it, the closer to Moscow, the less despotic they were towards ordinary collective farmers. Therefore, they tried to move from Western Ukraine to Eastern, and from there to Moscow. As far as I know, no one considers the status of the owner of a small store in the suburbs higher and more comfortable than the fate of the collective farmer. But a friend believed that to be a farmer in the Afghan Chamkani to be more pleasant than a businessman in the suburbs.
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                  Yes, it was very difficult and not the same everywhere. But in 20 years, our country has done much more than modern Russia in 30 years. And this is with a complete change in the political and economic course! But modern Russia will never achieve such successes. And the liberal system and the liberals in all branches of government and in the economy are to blame for this. I’m even afraid to think about what will become of our country in the event of a war. "Our" leadership will hand over the country to us with giblets. And never in modern Russia will there be no Iodogvardeytsy - liberalism disfigured the younger generation. Yes, why does your friend not leave for Afghanistan, if it is so good there?
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                  comrade does not leave for Afghanistan, if it is so good there?

                  He left a few years ago in Afghanistan. Afghans are more obedient and helpful than Russians if they are not expelled to work.
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                  So your friend just needs a good maid, but not a wife. Then the flag is in his hands.
  • Pushkar April 20 2020 22: 36 New
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    And now, following Chulpan Khomatova, I can’t love her.
    And I love the Great Patriotic War. I love because she protected all of humanity and our beloved Motherland from the black evil of Nazism, for its light for centuries. And there is not a drop of pity in me for bitch children who came to my homeland to rob and kill, here my grandfathers and parents drove them into the ground. And rightly so.
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      And I love the Great Patriotic War

      I'm happy for you.
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        I'm happy for you.

        "The gentleman called me his beloved wife!"
  • another RUSICH April 24 2020 16: 05 New
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    The fish does not rot from the head, but all at once
  • Zastupnik April 20 2020 16: 51 New
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    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    Yes, we remember op standing in the media and everybody watered mud and everything ..
    What can I say, if the chief editor of the journal "Communist" Egorushka Gaidar spat on everything Soviet with the same idiologist Judas Yakovlev and Gorbach ..
    I read the book well, but I think the film is very anti-Soviet and Russophobic .. I don’t even want to watch the pressure rise .. I continue to bite the foundations of Russia, but more carefully and subtly ... hi God be their judge ..
    1. Nyrobsky April 20 2020 20: 47 New
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      I read the book well, but I think the film is very anti-Soviet and Russophobic .. I don’t even want to watch, so that the pressure does not rise ..They continue to bite the foundations of Russia, but more carefully and subtly ... God be their judge ..

      There is a parable about this.
      The murderer and writer went to hell. They sit in pans, take hellish torments, and beneath them fire burns. Over time, under the killer, the fire began to weaken, and eventually the killer was extinguished from hell, and under the writer, on the contrary, the fire flared up more and more hotly, prolonging the torment. He then turned to God and asked why the killer’s torment had ended, and his torment became unbearable if he hadn’t killed anyone? To which God replied - "The killer’s sin is forgotten and forgiven because those whom he touched and those who remembered him have already died and there is no more malice and curses, and tens of thousands of people have already read and are reading your book and all your anger and filth written in the book it corrodes their hearts and burns out souls, spreading hatred and pushes them to bloodshed prolonging your sin. You will burn while reading your book. "
      If Valentin Pikul, Lev Smolentsev wrote books before turning over a lot of historical archival materials, being immersed in the topic, now the modern “scribbles” are not concerned about this and more are the “muddy-historical pseudo-fantasy” that has nothing to do with historical truth and is directed not only against the Soviet the past, but also to warm up ethnic confrontation and intolerance.
      1. victor50 April 21 2020 15: 33 New
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        now modern "little women" are not preoccupied with this and are more showing the world "muddy-historical pseudo-fantasy" that has nothing to do with historical truth and is directed not only against the Soviet past,

        And imagine - the system has changed, well, or power, and the attitude towards the past has changed. As these same rush to praise Soviet power and make films about fists-bloodsuckers, shouting along the way that they were destroyed a little, it was necessary and their children. There are plenty of such "truth-fighters" in the bohemian party. Mikhalkov - a bright representative! And everyone sticks to the current trend. And Khazanov, and Pugacheva, and other courtiers who were pocketed under the old Kremlin power, almost fought with the Soviet power, it turns out, she prevented them from living for all.
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          And imagine - the system has changed, well, or power, and the attitude towards the past has changed. How do these rush to praise Soviet power ...
          I hope then they will be rewarded according to their deeds, and these lyceum fighters will go to national construction sites in Kolyma, Magadan and Naryan Mar for practical knowledge of exiled life, through which they will ultimately be able to realize their potential for the benefit of the state, against which they tirelessly worked to divide the society. It is difficult to defeat us from the outside using military force, but we can be defeated if unity is destroyed. All these "zuleiks" have one goal - to artificially rock the situation inside Russia using national and religious contradictions, for which the "problems" of language and identity are pulled from naphthalene, flavored with ideological shit and a one-sided interpretation of historical events. Someone correctly said, “Is it any wonder that our monuments ceased to respect abroad, if we ceased to respect ourselves. While we are self-flagellating, somewhere in Europe monuments of our heroic past are silently falling.”
  • tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 39 New
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    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    That's right you wrote, support. And the author also, correctly wrote Roman
    Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.
    Disgusting.
  • businessv April 20 2020 23: 26 New
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    Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.
    So everything is still in place, colleague! From that memorable 1991, when two alcoholics and one nationalist decided to change and divide the country!
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      Why insult the country in such a way, saying that only 3 not quite adequate personalities have collapsed, think what you write, please
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  • Ivan90 April 21 2020 09: 52 New
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    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    Do not like Russia - Wali in the United States.
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      Do not like Russia - Wali in the United States.

      I would prefer that the liberals led by Putin dumped
  • primaala April 21 2020 21: 02 New
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    The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    At least one correctly noticed ...
    And the thought dawned on me - the Russian FEDERATION, which CONCEPT holds ??? PEOPLES ???
    Right !!! And judging by the comments ... RUSSIAN few who love. Yes, that there "loves" - do not respect.
    Maybe it's time to rename the Russian MONOPOLY ??? What do you think ???
    Really ... it's a shame for the Power !!! matzo is offended by the truth. Islam warmed itself under the wing of the Russians.
    WHERE are the comrades walking ???
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    I remember 1991, then I lived in Novosibirsk, do you think there was a condemnation on people's faces? There is no complete complacency, in fact, that the city has changed, nothing! So what to worry about?
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    And, after all, the most important thing is to ask no one and no one for what is happening in the country! It seems to be all "on the ground" in the country, however, it has long been clear that they are in the wrong "places"! Their place is under the key, and not in warm rooms, with a bunch of guards! They are able to the people and, as a rule, spit into our souls to quietly pit us against each other in order to make a gesheft for ourselves in a misfortune. The authorities, who are not willing to think and act in the interests of the people, will at best later think in the garden how to deal with pest beetles, forgetting that such beetle pests in human guise sit in warm places. ..
    1. Bashkirkhan April 20 2020 16: 24 New
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      they are hurting people and spit in the soul

      This is actually an anti-Tatar libel disguised as anti-Soviet.
      The series “Zuleikha opens her eyes” in the Tatar environment would cause an equally stormy flurry of negative emotions. In addition to distorting the historical truth, claims about the Islamic component are expressed to the series. Muslims were particularly outraged by two things: the sexual scene inside the mosque and the unexpected mention among the prisoners of the current, as well as long-dead, Islamic leaders of Russia. So, in this list were Shihabutdin Marjani, Ravil Gainutdin, Talgat Tajuddin, Jafar Ponchaev, Umar Idrisov and other famous personalities. All this resembles a situation as if the Americans made a film about the repressed in the 1930s and inserted the first names from Russian history that they could google on the Internet: Mishustin, Lomonosov, Ivan the Terrible, Navalny, Lenin, Alexander I , Pushkin, Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko. Moreover, it seems that the creators of the opus wanted to even more abruptly expand the scene of the desecration of the Muslim shrine, where the old grandmother is still looking for a place in the temple to justify the need. But it seemed to the creators of the “kin” a little, directly, near the place of the mullah, the commissar had sex with a young pretty guard in a white fur coat. Apparently the creative workshop is completely captured by the Jews. Muslims wonder at a loss what all this means: is there simply a provocation against large figures of the Tatar people or a subtle hint that they all have a place in prison dungeons?
      1. Zastupnik April 20 2020 16: 57 New
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        This is actually an anti-Tatar libel disguised as anti-Soviet.
        The series “Zuleikha opens her eyes” in the Tatar environment would cause an equally stormy flurry of negative emotions. In addition to distorting the historical truth, claims about the Islamic component are expressed to the series. Muslims were particularly outraged by two things: the sexual scene inside the mosque and the unexpected mention among the prisoners of the current, as well as long-dead, Islamic leaders of Russia.

        The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! They sleep and see when in Russia the troubles began at the religious and international level .. So that the bloodshed would flow in the center of Russia ..
        Gentlemen, the Sorov grant-eaters will not work for you. We have the vaccine in the 90s !!! hi
        Wait for the patience of the Russian people and chase you, as in the good old days .. to cut wood and clean the snow in the tundra ..
        1. kotvov April 20 2020 18: 17 New
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          The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! ,,
          So is Soros allocated money for this? And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.
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            The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! ,,
            So is Soros allocated money for this? And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

            And who is sitting there in the Ministry of Culture? You saw the TV channel "culture of the Russian Federation" ..?
            Who mainly performs there, etc.? I don’t look because it's disgusting ..
            1. kotvov April 21 2020 09: 58 New
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              And who put them there, Soros? Who invites these, esteemed guests? Not for nothing they say, the fish rots from the head, so it rotted.
          2. businessv April 20 2020 23: 30 New
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            And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

            Not only that, the Ministry of Culture, but another sponsor was Ak-Bars Bank!
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              So one gang.
      2. astepanov April 20 2020 18: 52 New
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        Muslims were especially outraged by two things: the sexual scene inside the mosque

        Firstly, the scene there is not in the mosque, but in the former mosque. By the thirtieth year, almost no churches remained in the villages of the USSR, they were turned into warehouses, clubs, schools ... So this building was already desecrated nowhere else. And in many ways - with the full connivance of the faithful. So pouring blame for it on Guzel Yakhina or Chulpan Khomatova is to shift the blame from a sore head to a healthy one.
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        there the old grandmother is still looking for a place in the temple to justify the need.
        I already said that the mosque was not there, but there was a collective farm warehouse. And ZK was unlikely to be released as needed - that’s where the grandmother had to ... Did you want the Red Army man to bring her a pot of Gzhel painting? Or should she have relieved herself in trousers, or what has she got there?
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        But it seemed to the creators of the “kin” a little, directly, near the place of the mullah, the commissar had sex with a young pretty guard in a white fur coat.
        Well, the picture is in full accordance with the recommendations of the revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai: they quickly got laid and scattered. Do you want cheap popular descriptions a la "elusive avengers"? But the story is what it is, with dirt and blood. To make Tula gingerbread out of it means to initiate a relapse.
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          By the thirtieth year, almost no churches remained in the villages of the USSR, they were turned into warehouses, clubs, schools ...

          And in your opinion this is the basis for such a bacchanalia with all honest people ?! You, my friend, do not forget that even if there are almost no temples, there are more believers than there are now, and people of that time have not yet degenerated a sense of shame and self-esteem!
          Quote: astepanov
          recommendations of the revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai: they quickly got laid and fled.
          At that time, the revolutionaries were gone! There was Soviet power, so here you are past! And history is not always dirt and blood, there are not only 100500 shades of gray, but also millions of colors in the palette! And tens of millions of people would like the relapse of free apartments, land, education and medicine! Well, and the hatred that the film is saturated with in relation to everything Soviet is basically a feeling of losers, ignoramus and nonhumans because it can only destroy, but not create! hi
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            if there were almost no temples, there were more believers than there are now, and people of that time have not yet degenerated a sense of shame and self-esteem!
            Yes, stop it! The gangs of Razin, Pugachev, Bolotnikov consisted entirely of believers and they enthusiastically burned and slaughtered everyone who was hit. And then the same believers from the other side tortured and chopped their heads with the same rapture. So shame and mercy among believers is not greater than among atheists.
            Quote: businessv
            At that time, the revolutionaries were gone! There was Soviet power, so here you are past!
            The proletarian poet wrote that "the revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end." Alexandra Kollontai professed her theory of the "glass of water" from the twenties to the post-war years.
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            And history is not always dirt and blood, there are not only 100500 shades of gray, but also millions of colors in the palette!
            But the pictures were painted only in pink, but not in gray. If you follow your recommendations, then all you need is to produce crafts like "pig and shepherd" and "Kuban Cossacks" lying through and through. From these films, you are probably the judge of that era. A more or less normal life was established only in Brezhnev’s times - but I remember Khrushchov’s clay Transbaikal bread, and semolina for children on the cards, and the fact that it was impossible to buy chicken in the store ...
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            And tens of millions of people would like the relapse of free apartments, land, education and medicine!
            My parents plowed all my life at the factory, but never got an apartment. I also plowed in the research institute for 20 years, and was in a preferential order - and did not wait. About free land - don't tell tales. My grandfather, a village peasant, an invalid of war, was forced to cut the last apple tree in Khrushchev’s times, so they clamped taxes. And he didn’t have his own land. True, my great-grandfather had - but this was before the revolution. As for education and medicine, I agree with you.
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              I also plowed in the research institute for 20 years, and was in a preferential order - and did not wait. About free land - don't tell tales. My grandfather, a village peasant, an invalid of war, was forced to cut the last apple tree in Khrushchev’s times, so they clamped taxes.
              It immediately feels like you "plowed" at the research institute! Nonsense that during the time of Khrushchev taxed peasants, forcing to chop the last apple tree, you will tell your grandchildren, complaining about the enemy Soviet power! I, unlike you, from childhood plowed on family plots, which were 4 in number - for each farm worker they gave out 10 acres for a season, without demanding anything for it, and we sold surpluses on the collective farm market called Zeleny Bazaar, again paying nothing for a trading place! Such as you loafers, "plowing" in the research institute and waiting for their "plowing" special thanks in preferential lines and free apartments, and created a howl around our country, blaming everyone and everyone for their inertness and inability to do anything even for themselves! By the way, about housing - if you wanted to press you too, you could not sit around and wait 20 years, but do the same as I did - he built the house in his incomplete 26 years. A little truth - 8x8, but my family was enough and he cost me 900 wooden rubles. No need to answer me please - except for whining, baseless accusations and other nonsense, you will not be able to tell me anything new! So that you better understand and do not write another nonsense, I’ll add that my family are Germans who first moved to Siberia, and then to Kazakhstan, so I understand you much better what, how, why and why everything happened. And I know it first hand, unlike you! I have the honor!hi
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                It immediately feels like you "plowed" at the research institute! Nonsense that during the time of Khrushchev taxed peasants, forcing to chop the last apple tree, you will tell your grandchildren, complaining about the enemy Soviet power!

                So, they pressed you weakly, relocating your German ancestors. As for the quotes, the word “plowed”: do you know what cancer is from constant contact with cadmium dust? I know that. Do you know who created modern weapons? Not at all like you. You, my friend, are an ignoramus, and it is not for you to judge things in which you do not understand him.
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                  You, my friend, are an ignoramus, and it is not for you to judge things in which you do not understand him.

                  Nothing else from you and people like you did not expect! Only a deeply educated person can cheat everyone around, and expose himself as a sufferer. In life, I still, from the time of our last correspondence, know and understand more than you! Good luck in life, sufferer!
        2. Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 20 New
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          In the Russian VILLAGES there were never churches or temples. The small settlement where the church was called was VILLAGE however ..
    2. Fan-fan April 21 2020 15: 43 New
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      That's right - there is no one to ask, it turns out no one is to blame for how we live. Although it is not true, the authorities are confused to suggest that the West and Ukraine are to blame for all our troubles, and now they have found another enemy - Belarus, have noticed how many anti-Belarusian articles began to appear? What about Lukashenko? They write about him only from negative positions.
      And this is done only for one purpose - to hide the true enemies of the country and the people, to ward off popular anger from the thieves of officials and other powerful people.
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      divide and rule .. "zhidomassonam" do not need a cohesive Russian people. It is necessary to pit them, so it was easier to steal.

      So far, apart from the Nazi author of these lines, another 3 Nazis supported the voiced abomination, which incidentally humiliates the Russian people, presenting them as a flock of dumb and controlled by someone else’s will. I wonder how much more this thought is close?
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        1. Aaron Zawi April 20 2020 16: 07 New
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          and what's wrong, aronchik? you allow yourself crimes on the territory of other countries, and that means you should love.

          Let them love you. Let them not touch us.
          1. Andy April 20 2020 16: 09 New
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            and where do you touch? in Syria, Iran, Russia or Ukraine? everywhere is your blood. Berezovsky -Kolomoysky others like them. so you deserve
            1. musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 04 New
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              Someone (sort of like G. Ford) said well: "Isolate the 25 most influential Jewish families and the war will end."
              1. really April 20 2020 18: 46 New
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                Let's open the wiki and read about G. Ford
                Anti-Semitism and Nazi Support
                In 1918, Ford acquired the Dearborn Independent newspaper, which published anti-Semitic articles on May 22, 1920 [21], as well as in parts the full text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In November 1920, a selection of articles from the Dearborn Independent was published as a separate book called International Jewry, which was later actively used by Nazi propaganda [22].

                On January 16, 1921, 119 prominent Americans, including 3 presidents, 9 secretaries of state, 1 cardinal, and many other US government and public figures, published an open letter condemning Ford's anti-Semitism. [21] [23]

                In 1927, Ford sent a letter to the American press acknowledging his mistakes [21].
                As a man of honor, I consider it my duty to apologize for all the evil deeds I have committed with respect to the Jews, my fellow citizens and brothers, and I ask them for forgiveness for the harm that I caused them for no good reason. I renounce insulting accusations against them, since there was a lie in my actions, and also I give a full guarantee that from now on they can expect from me only a display of friendship and goodwill. Not to mention the fact that pamphlets that were distributed in the United States and abroad will be withdrawn from circulation.
                Henry Ford provided serious financial support to the NSDAP [24] [25], his portrait hung in Hitler’s Munich residence [26]. Ford was the only American that Hitler admirably mentioned in his book My Struggle [22] [27]. Annette Anthona of the Detroit News interviewed Hitler in 1931 and noted the portrait of Henry Ford on his desk. “I consider Henry Ford to be my inspiration,” Hitler responded about the American automobile magnate [28].

                Since 1940, Ford's factory, located in Poissy on the German-occupied territory of France, began to produce aircraft engines, trucks and cars, entered the arsenal of the Wehrmacht. During interrogation in 1946, the Nazi leader Karl Krauch, who worked during the war years in the leadership of a branch of one of Ford's enterprises in Germany, said that due to the fact that Ford worked with the Nazi regime, “his enterprises were not confiscated” [29].

                The theme of the influence of Ford and his book on German National Socialists was studied by Neil Baldwin in the book “Henry Ford and the Jews: The Hatred Conveyor”. Baldwin points out that Ford's publications were a major source of influence on young Nazis in Germany [30]. A similar opinion is shared by the author of the book “Henry Ford and the Jews” Albert Lee [22].
            2. tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 43 New
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              Quote: Andy
              and where do you touch?

              We just remember everything, although we are silent. But here is a little reminder of WWII times. Can someone remember something?
            3. Lyuba1965_01 April 20 2020 20: 44 New
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              Enough of banning the Jews! Tired !!! There are criminals, thieves and traitors in any nation. Why do not you remember the Jews who made up the glory of our country in science, culture, art? Why don’t you recall Shklovsky, Lavochkin, Alferov, Ioffe, Landau,, Dunaevsky and many many others? And aren't there among the Russian millionaires Russian Potanin, Prokhorov, Sechin and others? Why are Jews always to blame in Russia? And this despite the fact that the Russians adopted the Jewish faith!
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        which by the way degrades primarily the Russian people, presenting them as a dumb and flock driven by someone else’s will.

        Yes, Aron, after the Russian people kept the Jews a couple of hundred years in the Pale of Settlement, you will not envy him. The answer went as the Jews came to power.
        1. Fishery April 21 2020 20: 17 New
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          otvetka is 150 heroes of the Soviet Union of Jews, so after all) just when they need you are a great Russian artist, poet and writer)))) or a hero of the Soviet Union)
      3. businessv April 20 2020 23: 55 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        So far, apart from the Nazi author of these lines, 3 more Nazis supported the voiced abomination
        I agree with you only if you are able to name the friends of Russia in the collective west, who want her to unite with her neighbors and strengthen her!
    2. astepanov April 20 2020 20: 02 New
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      "zhidomassonam" do not need a cohesive Russian people.

      And what does the fascist National Bolshevik and the varnisher of reality need? We’ll not let history distort, say? Well, do not distort. There was also dispossession, which hit not only the fist, there were reprisals with enormous human losses ... Korolev Sergey Palych remained alive only because he accidentally did not end up on such a drowned barge. Tupolev, Kondratyuk went through the camp hell, the great Vavilov remained there. And there were a great many of them, including the best. Say it wasn’t?
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        Quote: astepanov
        And there were a great many of them, including the best. Say it wasn’t?

        Of course it was! You are so zealously defending this movie nonsense that I even feel sorry for you! In addition, what you write about was also a bunch of enemies who burned bread and collective farm barns, poisoned cattle, killed government officials and did a lot more! And for clarity, look at the archives and other materials in which you will find the exact numbers of the repressed for all the years of the Union, as well as those destroyed during the repression! Surprise, but the Soviet government destroyed about 800 thousand of its citizens for the entire time of its existence! This is a lot, but for such a huge country, on the territory of which it was necessary to change the whole way of life and lifestyle, to destroy everyone who prevented it, to restore order, not so much that it would cause tantrums, and even 8-episodes!
        1. astepanov April 21 2020 14: 36 New
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          Surprise, but the Soviet government destroyed about 800 thousand of its citizens for the entire time of its existence!
          Yes, 800 thousand were physically destroyed. And millions passed through camps and settlements. And this is only in 1930 and 1931. And how many of them have disappeared in these camps - they themselves are not considered destroyed. It just so happened ...
      2. Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 26 New
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        The first part of this post is a complete wringing of hands, pathos screaming and demagogy .. The second is lies and distortion ..
  • Van 16 April 20 2020 15: 31 New
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    I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.
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      Quote: Van 16
      I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.

      How else can modern comprador power survive? How can she justify her existence? The only way is to lie that there used to be darkness for you, because otherwise the question will arise - but if now it has become worse under capitalism, then maybe you need to return to socialism?
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      Quote: Van 16
      I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.

      I think that cheap fakes about the war often come from mediocrity, or from the fact that the directors and actors have experienced little in their real lives. Therefore, what the generation that survived the war gave us is no longer available.
      1. Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 59 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        I think that cheap fakes about the war often come from mediocrity, or from the fact that the directors and actors have experienced little in their real lives.

        It also comes from the fact that there is no goal to create a normal film - you just need to master the means, slap some nonsense on your knee and get rid of it, well, fill it with your wretched little ideas ...
  • ZAV69 April 20 2020 15: 32 New
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    Roma, why are you surprised? Back in the 90s, they refused ideological education at the state level. As they say, nature does not tolerate emptiness. Who drives in the mincult? Creative intelligentsia. It was enough to entice her with European recognition, to identify goals and objectives, and that’s all, the process began. Ilyich also said that "the intelligentsia is the shit of the nation." Well, there’s also a well-known bird: "I am not an intellectual, I have a profession" (c) L. Gumilyov .. That’s it. Well, another fantastic book said "creative intelligentsia is always prone to political prostitution."
    Until at the state level we come to the ideological education of the population, such crap will continue. Therefore, it is only within its framework that one can take for the bells of the frozen-on masters of culture who, in pursuit of the prizes of film festivals, are ready to drive outright anti-Russian products (and they won’t see any other prizes).
    In the meantime, at our top we will chew snot about this, our “worst friends” and “partners” will beckon our cultural figures with carrots and feed them with grants.
    The funny thing is that there are some laws that allow someone to pinch something. Just do not hear about the practice of vening.
    1. astepanov April 20 2020 23: 02 New
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      Who drives in the mincult? Creative intelligentsia.

      Correctly. The proletarians, as the most conscious class, must be put to film-making. Desirable with guns. And he sent all kinds of Eisenstein-Averbach-Babyshchiks and other Bronstein to logging, so as not to distort the story that we supposedly had “separate excesses”, so as not to slander the God-chosen sovereign and the Bolsheviks.
      Whether you like it or not, many people reason like that. And this will not end in good. If such "thinkers" are not given a shortcut, then what is happening in Ukraine will seem like a pretty trifle in comparison with what we have.
      1. ZAV69 April 21 2020 00: 53 New
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        Quote: astepanov
        Correctly. The proletarians, as the most conscious class, must be put to film-making.

        I don’t know who was targeted in the Soviet Union, but we remember and sometimes revise those films, but we haven’t even watched what we’ve gotten to the end sometimes, especially if they are trying to denounce the bloody Stalinist regime.
  • Xenofont April 20 2020 15: 36 New
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    Talking about this movie-making is pointless, because this ordering is from nationally preoccupied "elites." It’s just a good little pole into the smoldering bonfire of nationalism on the basis of Putin’s refusal to extend Yeltsin’s concessions. The entire budget is from the owner of AK Bars Bank.
    1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 15: 47 New
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      Yes, nichrome it’s not poles on the coals of Tatar nationalism, it’s a tub of water into it.

      Let me explain: Tatar nationalism is a peculiar thing. He is rooted in urban culture, not from Seljuk. And - there are all kinds of cultural figures and thinkers of the century so since 19 - Tatar nationalists love and honor. For read, thoughtfully.

      There is no hatred for their people, which is "wrong" in mass among Russian nationalists, or, say, Ukrainian or Belarusian. He is just right. And even five battalions of the SS Idel-Ural SS division - they are correct, there is nowhere more correct. Because, first of all, having received weapons, the vast majority of companies, and even battalions, fled to the next partisans.

      So now the Tatars will be in the forefront among those who want normal films about that war with the participation of the Tatars. Fortunately, the Tatars have enough of their heroes of that war, and they are the heroes of the Soviet Union.
      1. Xenofont April 20 2020 15: 50 New
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        I wrote for nothing about the "elite". From them all nasty things, as well as from Moscow.
      2. tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 49 New
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        Quote: AllBiBek
        Fortunately, the Tatars have enough of their heroes of that war, and they are the heroes of the Soviet Union.

        And we, too, will never forget them, just as we will not forget everyone who fought against Hitler. And it was the Soviet people.
      3. LKW UE April 21 2020 04: 11 New
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        And even five battalions of the SS Idel-Ural SS division - they are correct, there is nowhere more correct. Because, first of all, having received weapons, the vast majority of companies, and even battalions, fled to the next partisans.

        Well, yes, and their fellow countrymen in Crimea, in large numbers with the approval of the German authorities, created self-defense units in the villages and issued partisans to the Germans, as well as their warehouses and supply points. No wonder Comrade Stalin for the mass betrayal of Soviet power by the Tatars of Crimea exiled them to Siberia!
        1. AllBiBek April 21 2020 10: 34 New
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          The main backbone of Idel-Ural is prisoners from the second shock, the very one. About a third of it was somewhere recruited from the inhabitants of the Volga region.

          Crimean Tatars were not there. They were not taken to Idel-Ural either.

          And, these are not countrymen, and not even tribesmen. Tatars - this is not a nation, this is a slightly different value. Approximately as the Germans, for example, are either Slavs, or Celts, or Finno-Ugrians.

          You are now on the level of bulging ignorance - well, imagine that the Udmurts presented Finnish crimes for Mannerheim during the blockade of Leningrad.
  • Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 15: 40 New
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    As always, Roman is right. The fierce Russophobia and anti-Soviet Khamatova found the same or the same - that which floats in the hole. This abomination is sponsored by the Ministry of Culture, although for both the article cries for inciting ethnicity. The Kremlin is decomposing. and foul-smelling dung is carried by cockroaches
  • Ramadan April 20 2020 15: 46 New
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    The article is somehow strange. And flies and cutlets, all on one plate.
  • Kars April 20 2020 15: 52 New
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    not up to 70 awarded the Tatars of course. But it would be interesting to cover the siege of Sevostopal where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well so.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 15: 59 New
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      A car from Zaporozhye - to begin with, learn the Russian language and everything will light up in your head .. By the way, the Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, but ordinary Turks. What hangover do they call Tatars
      1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 16: 12 New
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        Oleg, you are fundamentally wrong.
        The Kok-Horde Tatars, from which the Krymchaks (still Nogais, and partly Astrakhanes) originate, are not related to the Turks at all. More precisely, they have about the same as the Poles to the Croats. One ethnic family, yes the same religion. Everything else is the difference.

        The Turks are Ashin, it's about like the Bourbons of the French. Ruling people.

        The Tatars are somewhat more complicated, but - the Crimeans recognized the maximum vassality of the Ports, and even did not pay tribute to her. So, with gifts bought military assistance, the maximum.

        There, even the ruling elites did not mix in marriages.
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        By the way, Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, but ordinary Turks. What hangover do they call Tatars

        So they call themselves. Kyrym-Tatars ... Now their elite quietly lurked and gritted their teeth ... .. Most ordinary Crimean Tatars work, live. Ordinary, good people .. But the authority of the eldest in the family, popular discipline is great. As a Qatar, the Tatars, the elite will say so, they will .. They will go to the knives if there is a go-ahead ..
    2. AllBiBek April 20 2020 16: 00 New
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      You do not understand the varieties of Tatars, and you are not obliged, but - as if the Tatars - this is not a people, it is a larger quantity. This is the self-name of such a phenomenon as ethno-cultural community. Crimean are Crimean, like Volga - it is Volga. Even the Volga region is divided by region and denomination, and more globally - into Kazan and Misharsky, and even grubs - this is a separate species - are divided into a couple of branches of Kazan, and one - Misharsky. There are still Tatars of Novgorod, there are still Astrakhan and Kasimov, there are still Kashir, Ural (there are a lot of species), Kuznetsk (Shors) - moreover, as a Siberian subspecies. Khakasses, by the way, are also Tatars. There are teppyars. There are Tatars Lithuanian and Finnish. There are even their Tatars as part of the Ural Cossack army, absolute Cossacks in culture and religion, they only speak Tatar, moreover in the Ural dialect. Nagaybaki are called. By the way, at one time with the Russian troops reached Paris, in the forefront.

      In this movie, they spit well into the largest ethnic group. Tatars of Kazan.

      Well, for the example of the actions of Crimean Tatars on the side of the German troops that you described, the Crimeans were repressed, by the way. About this, another Crimean Tatar from Ukraine at the Eurovision Song Contest sang a couple of years ago, for which he won m. Remember, probably, that hype? Well, here it is.
      1. ZAV69 April 20 2020 16: 17 New
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        Volga Tatars as a part of Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible, Crimea as a part of Russia since the times of Ekatarina 2. The difference is 300 years somewhere. Hence such a different behavior in the Great Patriotic War.
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          I’ll explain to you.
          When Moscow seriously took up Kazan, there, on the Kazan throne, sat - alternately - either Crimean Girei or Kasimov Ali. The Kasimovites are such a buffer of serving Tatars in the service of Moscow in the Ryazanshchina, but they did not agree to go to Orthodoxy.

          Needless to say, the bulk of the local population equally hated both those and these?

          The Nogai Akrams warmed up this hodgepodge; few people loved them either.

          The people have a long memory, the Krymchaks in Tatarstan still do not like, and do not consider them to be Tatars (the Krymchaks with other Tatar ethnic groups are exactly the same), and the Kasimovites do not particularly protrude, stupidly honor their traditions and culture. So, they have their own view on the history of that period, and their cultural monuments at that time. They are all in Kasimov.
          1. musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 14 New
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            Thanks for the clarification. But it seems like all the Tatars from the Volga Bulgars started to take (that is, Kazan)? Correct if I am wrong.
            1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 18: 39 New
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              Which ones?
              If you are talking about the Volga region, then yes and no, there was a conglomerate of tribes, and his name was “Bulgarians”, it is tracked by chronicles, and Ivan the Terrible bore the title “Tsar of Bulgaria”.

              Bulgars are the self-name of the people from which Vanga, they are written everywhere "Bulgaria".

              Everything is complicated there, and it all began so long before even the Great Migration of Peoples.

              And so, the Tatars - this is the self-name of the majority of the population as much as two of the five uluses that left the sons of Genghis Khan. The Volga Tatars in this regard - at least the Kazan Tatars - are a mixture of the remnants of the conglomerate of the Kama Bulgaria tribes (such a name is historically more reliable), and not even on the lands of the tribe itself, which is the Bulgars. There is the territory of the Baranjar and Esgel.

              After that, a layer of peoples that came from Batu was superimposed and remained in those parts. A relatively uniform material culture there already by the age of 14-15 (although in the village the degradation of earlier traditions is distinctly traced), and by the time of the creation of the Kazan Khanate - there was already the collapse of the Golden Horde, and the struggle of local elites, but the people have a self-name - "Tatars".

              And now this is just a seed for everything that started next ...

              But there was still the outcome of the serving Tatars to Moscow after the Islamization of this state, not all of them refused the religion of their fathers and grandfathers. All these Yusupovs, Karamzins, Akhmatovs, and others are from that layer, and this is only a few years later from the Second World War to our own, and also through the Middle Volga ...
              1. musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 55 New
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                But there was still the outcome of the serving Tatars to Moscow after the Islamization of this state, not all of them refused the religion of their fathers and grandfathers. All these Yusupovs, Karamzins, Akhmatovs, and others are from that layer, and this is only a few years later from the Second World War to our own, and also through the Middle Volga ...)))))))))
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                The Islamization of the Bulgars occurred in 920, i.e. long before the outcome of the Yusupovs, Karamzins, etc. According to the annalistic legend, it was from the Great Bulgar that ambassadors came to Prince Vladimir when he chose a new religion, with a proposal to convert to Islam.
                1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 19: 10 New
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                  And what's this side?
                  Where did the Tatars come from in the 10th century in the Middle Volga?
                  I can tell you a lot about the Islamization of Kama Bulgarians, everything is interesting there too. At that time - 922 - the Esgels, and part of the Bulgars, were Muslims; the Savirs were all Christians of the Nestorian sense, the Baranjars remained until the very last pagans, and the barcels were buried. Although, at the time of the arrival of the evil Mongols, and in an adult way, the latter were isdanized.

                  And so, until 1312 - and this is the introduction of Islam as the state religion in the Juchi Ulus - there somewhere from a quarter to a third of the population are Christians.

                  What can I say, Sartak, son of Batu, Hulagu, Ordu-Ichen, and even Munke, son of Tuli are Christians.

                  Serving Christian Tatars to Moscow did not come to serve from the territory of present Tatarstan, they are mostly more southern. Islamization went along the trade routes, and to the people who feed on them.

                  From the territory of Tatarstan - just those who were eventually settled in Kasimov, and there is also a long and complicated story, cannot be put in one post.
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                    Something you confused me even more. sad

                    “I can tell you a lot about the Islamization of the Kama Bulgarians, everything is interesting there too. At that time, in 922, the Esgels were Muslims, and part of the Bulgars; the Savirs were all Nestorian-style Christians, the Baranjars remained until the very last Gentiles, and the Barcels were Although, by the time of the arrival of the evil Mongols and in an adult way - the latter were Islamized.)))))))
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                    But after all, there was already the Great Bulgarian state of Islamic persuasion from which the ambassadors came. And all the tribes of the other faiths that you have listed are just one of ... It's like in Christianized Russia there were still a lot of pagans from different tribes.
                    Yes, the Tatars were not there at that time. But according to another version - some Tatars came with the Mongols, conquered the Bulgarians and assimilated with them. From which the Bulgarians adopted the ethnonym "Tatars". There are many such examples in history. Yes, the same Slavic tribes became Russian from the coming and subjugation of certain Rus from Scandinavia and about which little is known.
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                      Well, firstly, the Islamization of the Volga Bulgaria was of the same nature as the Christianization of Kievan Rus half a century later, the political motive as it is toward the search for external allies, and secondly - and this is understandable without written sources from the field - the process was also not fast, and not painless.

                      At the time of destruction as a state - in general, it was completed, but in a very superficial form.

                      According to the funeral rite is tracked, it is mixed.

                      And so, Christian symbolism there and there.

                      But still a huge Ugric layer in those territories, a third of the population is somewhere. Neither the Bulgars nor the Tatars really imamized these people, and even in the case of the Russians, baptizing in the mind turned out to be a century, only in the 19th century. And one fig just for show.
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              But it seems like all the Tatars from the Volga Bulgars started to take (that is, Kazan)? Correct if I am wrong.

              I do not pretend to historical authenticity.
              I served urgently and was in my company "Tatar". So he showed, as a proof, his military ID, where the nationality was in the column - Bulgarian.
              According to him, and he heard this from his old people, in the 20-30 years all the Bulgars were recorded in the Tatars. Just like in Ukraine, all Russians were recorded as Ukrainians.
              1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 14 New
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                Is he from the Volga region? Not from Central Asia? There is a tribe in the Pamir mountains with such a self-designation ...

                The term "Bulgars" as applied to the peoples of the Middle Volga was introduced century so in the 19th. At the end of the century, moreover. And - only in the scientific literature. To distinguish from the fact that the "Bulgarians" and the Danube.

                “Baranjars” as sub'ethnos - there were such, Sabirs and Savirs - yes. Several villages in total.

                And so, in the 20s of the past Tatars were massively recorded in the Bashkirs, moreover, according to the geographical principle (within the borders of the north of the Ufa province), but so that someone could be forced into the Tatars - well, they could, or Mishar. But there was no ethnonym "Bulgars" in those territories.
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                  Is he from the Volga region?

                  Right Volzhsky Bulgarin. His whole village is Bulgars.
                  = At the same time, a number of Tatar public, political and religious figures of Tatarstan and other regions, being supporters of the Bulgarian-Tatar theory of Tatars ethnogenesis and opponents of the use of the ethnonym "Tatars", insist that the Bulgarian people continue to exist, and actively promote the idea of ​​the Tatars returning to the past self-name (as well as renaming of Tatarstan to Bulgaria [2], Bulgaria [3], or Bulgar Ile [4]). =
                  OI claims that in the beginning Batu defeated the Volga Bulgars, and only then went to Russia.
                  1. AllBiBek April 21 2020 10: 02 New
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                    Well, the fact that the Mongol princes walked through Russia in passing, but the Volga Bulgaria was rubbed thoughtfully and with special tenderness so that there was not a single written source from a rather big state for all several hundred of existence - this is a fact (I can paint the details a bit later ), but as regards the nationality, “Bulgarin” ... He, most likely, betrayed what was far-fetched as desired, an engine in the search for “great and mighty ancestors” - this is the beginning of the 90s, and it ended with the cancellation of the column “nationality” in passport. Not only did we have something like that there, in Belarus there first appeared Krivichi, and then - Litvins, and in Moldova - Romans. The first wave of new age in the post-Soviet space, the time of charging cans of water from the TV. It ended closer to default, in my student youth this was no longer the case. Although, the last freaks of this kind were still in the early XNUMXs.

                    But this is a kitsch of urban intelligentsia, not rural. Your colleague, as befits a Tatar, had a bunch of rural relatives, grabbed up in the city circle of young pseudo-intellectuals of the ideas of Gayakh Iskhaki and al Bulgari, and trampled on the rural relatives to make him happy, and there he was called upon.

                    The brain, especially in youth, is generally not able to distinguish fictitious from reality, it is very difficult not to self-deceive such a self-perceived truth. This truth is characteristic in that it is very hotly and persistently presented to everyone around, this is a priesthood syndrome, and this is psychology.
      2. Was mammoth April 20 2020 20: 01 New
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        You don’t understand the varieties of Tatars, and you don’t have to ....

        "Scrape the Russian, you will find a Tatar." wink
        Tatars for Russians, Russians for the West. wink
        Seriously, I’m Russian, always in my life, encountering representatives of other nations, I try to at least take a minimal interest in their culture, their history .... The last new representative of other nations for me was the Bashkirs. Very respected among the neighbors was the people. Even the neighbors resolved conflicts with their help, including the Tatars. wink
        It would be more correct to call the Volga region Bulgars, though the same Bashkirs may be against wink With the Crimean is more difficult.
        I do not watch new films, their bias is too “rotten”.
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Let me explain: Tatar nationalism is a peculiar thing.

        What is Russian, what is Tatar, what is what other nationalism is “one field is a berry”.
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        That same Chulan Lokhmatova has ....

        And, Chamat Khamatova also has a “Give Life” fund. Not everything is black and white.
        Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
        This abomination is sponsored by the Ministry of Culture

        I agree!
        1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 35 New
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          Oh, the Bashkirs are the bastion that the fifth generation of Tatar nationalists is breaking their teeth about. And as many generations will be broken.

          Initially, since the 19th century, all the dreams of Tatar Nazis torn from reality - and there are them - rest against a chimera called Idel-Ural. A territory that has a border with something other than the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation.

          It goes without saying that all sorts of dissidents dreaming of something like this went into exile back in the 20s. He was there alone, they called Gali Akysh, in the States he dreamed about this before the end of the 90s, and wrote pamphlets. Hitler including, by the way.

          But on the spot, it all rests on the fact that it’s unrealistic to create an analogue of Austria-Hungary or Czechoslovakia from the Tatars and Bashkirs. The Turks - they immediately realized that two cut horseradish was laid on them in this regard, but only recently came to the Americans. Hillary actively moved this chimera locally; all the local human rights defenders fed from her hands in both republics.

          But - the language is similar, the religion is one and the same, the culture is 90% similar, and one horseradish has not grown together and does not grow together. The more pathos Kazan celebrates its type of millennium - the more pathos a year later Ufa celebrates the inclusion of the Bashkirs in Russian citizenship, there is also a round date.

          The more success hockey players from Ak Bars have in a season, the more likely they will be to play for Salavat Yulaev in the same roster in a year.

          And so - in everything.

          And the answer is simple. Different nations, despite the similarities. The mentality is different.
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            Quote: AllBiBek
            But - the language is similar, the religion is the same, the culture is 90% similar, and one horseradish has not grown together and does not grow together.

            So I didn’t dig deep. I didn’t even think about it. But, by nickname, are you also "Tatar"? wink
            There are so many peoples and nationalities in our country! It would be nice to have a series of stories about every nation in Russia. A delicate topic, but worthwhile. It would be a good blow to the nationalists. For "FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLES".
            Quote: AllBiBek
            Oh Bashkirs
            wink
            1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 21: 11 New
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              Mom Tatar). Father - from the Kuban Cossacks, with everything attached. So there’s also a quarter of Polish blood, his mother is Polish.

              And in the context of this topic - a historical tower in Tatarstan was obtained, and ten years of archeology - all students and five after - just in the fields where he directly dug all of these Ugrians, Bulgars, Golden Hordes, and Tatars of all kinds. And there, in all possible sources, it was necessary to dig in quite so superficially.

              Hence the knowledge of the topic. Although already forgotten, even google some of the points necessary.

              The Tatars - which is typical, any - absolutely complete reconciliation with their history. Perhaps even cooler than that of the French, for whom the Bourbons and the Bonopartes are awesome! We are not ashamed, and proud.

              It’s the same here: Bulgars? Yes, we are descendants! The Golden Horde? Yes, we are also their descendants, direct, right from Genghis Khan! Kazan Khanate? Well, yes, this is us too! Kazan - because the leader of the Huns drowned the boiler in our muho_sRa_ni? Well, that was the case, and he is also our ancestor! Attila - Forever, Magyars - go to hell.

              And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.
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                Quote: AllBiBek
                And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.

                This is a good slogan!
              2. Tank hard April 21 2020 11: 43 New
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                Mom Tatar). Father - from the Kuban Cossacks, with everything attached. So there’s also a quarter of Polish blood, his mother is Polish.

                And in the context of this topic - a historical tower in Tatarstan was obtained, and ten years of archeology - all students and five after - just in the fields where he directly dug all of these Ugrians, Bulgars, Golden Hordes, and Tatars of all kinds. And there, in all possible sources, it was necessary to dig in quite so superficially.

                Hence the knowledge of the topic. Although already forgotten, even google some of the points necessary.

                The Tatars - which is typical, any - absolutely complete reconciliation with their history. Perhaps even cooler than that of the French, for whom the Bourbons and the Bonopartes are awesome! We are not ashamed, and proud.

                It’s the same here: Bulgars? Yes, we are descendants! The Golden Horde? Yes, we are also their descendants, direct, right from Genghis Khan! Kazan Khanate? Well, yes, this is us too! Kazan - because the leader of the Huns drowned the boiler in our muho_sRa_ni? Well, that was the case, and he is also our ancestor! Attila - Forever, Magyars - go to hell.

                And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.

                I read your comments on the article with great interest and learned a lot of interesting things. Thank you hi
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          And, Chamat Khamatova also has a “Give Life” fund. Not everything is black and white.

          Not so simple with this fund. There were huge thefts and crazy salaries to his employees, which, incidentally, were paid from donations, and much more.
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      not up to 70 awarded the Tatars of course. But it would be interesting to cover the siege of Sevostopal where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well so.

      So these are different Tatars. The Crimean and Kazan only have a common name. And religion in part. And that’s all.

      As for collaborators among the Crimean Tatars, there were. And there were a lot of them. And even dofiga, actually. BUT and Ahmet Khan Sultan - was also ...
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        and Ahmet Khan Sultan - was also

        Correctly Amet Khan Sultan. A very worthy man, warrior.
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          Amet Khan Sultan. A very worthy man, warrior


          And not just a warrior.
          "Honored Test Pilot of the USSR." Laureate of the Stalin Prize of 1949 for first fully automatic air refueling, 1953 Stalin Prize for test of the manned analogue of the KS projectile ("Comet")1958 State Prize for testing the powder cartridge cartridge firing mechanism of the catapult1959 State Prize Award for testing the state of zero gravity in manned vehicles
          During the flight, he mastered about 100 types of aircraft, his flight time was 4237 hours.
          He died on February 1, 1971 while performing a test flight at the Tu-16 flying laboratory, designed to test a new jet engine
    4. Pushkar April 20 2020 16: 17 New
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      Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well
      Are you talking about Crimean Tatars? So ethnically these are Turks and have nothing to do with the topic of this article, like the Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks and others.
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      where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well,
      And the fact that they were Crimean, nothing?
  • AK1972 April 20 2020 16: 01 New
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    And here is what I noticed. The more aggressive these "masterpieces" are advertised, the more disgusting is the content of these libels. The more persistently they urge me to watch this shit, the more sharply I understand that viewing this product is contraindicated to me.
  • knn54 April 20 2020 16: 11 New
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    Crimean Tatars are a separate ethnos. And it’s simply impossible to “interfere” with Kazan. Crimean Tatars during WWII is a completely different picture.
    By the way, when they decided to remove Akhmet Khan Sultan's parents from Crimea, they refused. They also warned that the special group would be removed, otherwise they would turn to the Germans.
    A Jew-NKVDist to Beria is a normal occurrence. Only they sat in their offices and did not go to the "action".
    And the rest is in agreement with the author.
    1. Jack sklo April 20 2020 20: 47 New
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      You say the Jewish security officers were sitting in their offices and did not go to the rallies? Have you ever heard of Naum Eitingon, of other people of Sudoplatov?
  • tatra April 20 2020 16: 11 New
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    One of the "tricks" of the information war that the enemies of the Communists in the West and Europe have been fighting against other countries and peoples for 100 years, and the enemies of the Communists in the USSR against their country and people, the history of their country, is a rupture of cause and effect relations, which can justify any crime, and any criminals. So a man committed a crime, and he was sent to prison for this, but if you remove the reason - he committed a crime and leave only the consequence - a man was sent to prison, then you can put this person "innocently repressed", and those who sent him to prison criminals. According to this pattern, the enemies of the Communists who captured the USSR justify the criminals of the Soviet period, including the enemies of the Soviet government, kulaks.
    1. 16329 April 21 2020 14: 05 New
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      The crime of the kulaks was that they were not interested in the collective farm system in the countryside, because they did not want to expropriate their property in favor of collective farms. In principle, this is quite logical, communism in the countryside contradicts the nature of peasant labor, with the appropriation of the products of labor in the private property of the peasant. The Communists considered the peasantry a petty-bourgeois environment and constantly waged war on it (Note that at the time the Bolsheviks came to power, the peasantry constituted the vast majority of the country's population)
      The peasants did not remain in debt and, having settled in the Soviet system, gradually decomposed it from the inside and completely destroyed it.
      By the way, Gorbachev and Yeltsin were just immigrants from the peasantry
      1. tatra April 21 2020 14: 25 New
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        Firstly, Gorbachev with his wife, and Yeltsin are descendants of the kulaks. And it is very indicative that they destroyed the USSR.
        Secondly, with all due respect to hard peasant labor, the peasants were selfish. They didn’t hand out food to the starving townspeople in Grazhdanskaya, in the NEP, peasants began to eat much better than before the October Revolution, but began to give less food to the State when they announced collectivization, peasants massively slaughtered cattle so that the Soviet people would not get it.
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          Actually, then the Soviet people consisted somewhere of 70% of the peasants who slaughtered cattle
          Well, in general, you, in fact, confirmed what was discussed in my comment
          Peasants, by their nature, are anti-communists
  • TAMBU April 20 2020 16: 17 New
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    Quote: Albert1988
    Also, because there is no goal to create a normal film, you just need to master the means

    everything is being done in our country now, only in order to master the means, it is not a matter of doing, but, precisely, to master the means. the result is not important here. funds allocated, allocated, mastered, mastered. what else do you need?
  • Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny April 20 2020 16: 42 New
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    Good article. And Chulpan really suffered. Talking lass completely.
    1. 16329 April 21 2020 15: 06 New
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      Well, don’t do it so rudely, there is also a very big problem here, namely the problem of the so-called “national intelligentsia”
      Russia during the Empire and especially during the USSR paid great attention to the development of national suburbs and, as a consequence, the development of national cultures and national intelligentsia. The names of Kreutzwald, Churlenis, Baltrushaitis, Sibelius, etc., gained wide popularity.
      Then it was this national intelligentsia that began to actively build its national states on the ruins of the Empire, without ceasing to recall the “years of national oppression and forced Russification”
      Soviet time was generally the heyday of the culture of the Union republics (Khachaturian, Kara-Karaeva, Bul Bul, Chingiz Aitmatov, etc.)
      and widespread popularization of their activities in the USSR and abroad
      It should be noted that the national intelligentsia of the Union republics grown by the USSR actively supported all nationalist movements of the perestroika period and took an active part in the construction of new states, cursing the “prison of the peoples of the USSR”
      The national intelligentsia is a very “sensitive” social stratum and now it is necessary to work very carefully and, most importantly, consciously with the Finno-Ugric, Tatar and Yakut intelligentsia, never forgetting that in any, and especially in a critical situation, good memory is poor, and claims are always in stock and prevail
      We often forget about this and don’t attach any importance to us, and then we are surprised at why this all happens.
      At the same time, our “Western partners” never forget about the national intelligentsia of the peoples of Russia and strive to support it, including through targeted financing, invitations to various forums, etc.

      And we need to strive for the development of national cultures not separately, but as components of a multifaceted Russian culture
  • aglet April 20 2020 16: 43 New
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    The article is somehow strange. And flies and cutlets, all on one plate

    but is it difficult to separate one from the other?
  • K-MMuradK April 20 2020 16: 52 New
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    Amet Khan Sultan - father is a native of Dagestan, a national is a Lak. Mother Amet Khan is a Tatar. Muslims have a nationality by father.
    1. AllBiBek April 20 2020 17: 13 New
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      "Who cares who the granddaughter has a groom by nationality, if only the Tatar was good" © Tatar proverb.

      This I mean that in most ethnic groups - at the discretion of the child. But - the Tatar relatives will make every effort to grow in a pronounced Tatar environment.

      So it is accepted, from time immemorial, by the way.
    2. That's just the Hero - the pilot himself considered himself a Crimean Tatar. And in an appeal to the congress he addressed, on behalf of the Tatar people ... So leave your genealogical research to yourself.
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        He addressed on behalf of the people for whom the verses that are written in the Moabite notebook are holy.

        And if you have not heard about this, and do not know what the Tatars have to do with it, then do not fill the gap in this area of ​​knowledge with pathos.
  • avia12005 April 20 2020 17: 14 New
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    I would, with a sense of true satisfaction, ask the entire crew led by the producers, as well as the author of Zuleikhi ..., to voluntarily go on an excursion to the Krasnoyarsk taiga to familiarize themselves with the subject. Three years.
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      Quote: avia12005
      I would, with a sense of true satisfaction, ask the entire crew led by the producers, as well as the author of Zuleikhi ..., to voluntarily go on an excursion to the Krasnoyarsk taiga to familiarize themselves with the subject. Three years.

      I am totally against it. There’s nothing to fuck my taiga.
    2. AllBiBek April 20 2020 21: 31 New
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      They would have collected authentic material for the scenery there, there are enough Tatar villages.
      But only at the end, all the Siberian Tatars would be outraged by what it was that they mounted everything in the end.
  • parusnik April 20 2020 17: 14 New
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    Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.
    ... "This is our tradition and we keep it" (c) for almost 30 years .. smile
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    He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.

    He probably served in the Bender Sonderkommando. I grew up in those places where I was exiled. These exiles lived with me, I saw them. Honestly, I would send many there again with the creators of such pictures. Something in my many relatives (all Siberians and Poles who were exiled in Tsarist times), not a single person was arrested (they lived honestly, honestly worked), only the dead, including for such foolish writers. I had enough for 5 minutes of the film. Shit is excellent. Yes, and play shit. They are far from Mironov, Vysotsky, Nikulin, Shukshin ... They must be sent to the conductor or to the machine - artists from them, like bullet shit.
  • NordUral April 20 2020 17: 22 New
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    There was a time (crazy and thoughtless!) To throw stones (the past in their own and fathers and grandfathers), and now it's time to reap from the deed.
    And Khamatova used to be pierced sometimes, but now everything just fell into place.
    And most importantly - there are none of ours at the top, there are all strangers to the people of Russia. And their service is alien. And Russian, and Tatars, and others, we have many nationalities.
  • Leo_59 April 20 2020 17: 23 New
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    It’s clear that Roman didn’t really like the movie. Angry in advance.
    And I, apparently, like others, have not yet watched it ...
    And Zuleikha has not yet opened her eyes;)
    The filmman is clearly mediocre, but those filmed a lot for the last. time.
    But! I can’t say that I don’t believe the screen at all.
    What are there claims ?:
    - removed position (from the Kama Sutra!)> the moment of conception needed in the plot.
    - rushed? (frantically waving his bare hand!) the sole person? > And what could not have happened ??
    - grain in bags, according to which, as I guessed beforehand, they would be exposed immediately?
    - a rusty lock on a barge - also like a gun on a wall ..?
    Yes, all the little things that stem from the mediocre level of books and movies.
    And the fact that everything was very tough in these links was true, but it was no secret for a long time.
    And for now, what I did not understand:
    - why did the people at first terribly starve on the banks of the Angara River and
    - why is this all - by Victory Day (although the film was supposed to be released in 2019 - the editing was delayed)
    In 2019, under May 9, he saw 5 new films, including the T-34 super-western. Well .. - yes, one is worse than the other. But the "living and dead" places are strongly with unnatural party pathos .. I somehow understand how and what, but young people ...
    The suggestion is this: impose self-isolation on artists with historical themes and shoot only scientific ones! computer-animated multi-part documentaries such as the History of the Russian State (that is, Soviet), until young people thoroughly learn Soviet history.
    (We only need to find Karamzin - the same, but with Soviet buttons :)
    What !? And budget relief in a crisis. And let the actors work in soap operas and theaters (for now;))
  • prior April 20 2020 17: 24 New
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    All involved in the creation of this cinema vulgarity, by stage in Siberia so "beloved" by them.
    This is how one should hate one’s country in order to spoil its past.
    Why are these "artists and artists", many in the past Komsomol and communists, silent in a rag before, under the Union ?!
    Civil disagreement leads to civil war.
    Will you run? actresses? Who needs you there? Hoping to be in time?
  • Gardamir April 20 2020 18: 03 New
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    That's right, but this phrase in the eyebrow itself
    But excuse me, what kind of respect for the people who constantly spit in themselves can we talk about?
  • rocket757 April 20 2020 18: 12 New
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    It's simple, who has power now? The rich.
    How did they create this power, how are they rich? Everything is interconnected. What is the most dangerous thing for them ever? The fact that they will be presented with an account by those whom they robbed then is robbed now and they want to rob endlessly! What authority can really show them the bill? People power! Here is a Tod image that many of their thoughts have not yet squeezed out, they want to destroy.
    All clear. There is nothing to guess here.
    It is high time that the proletariat’s anthem is begun to be played and becomes under the banner ... nothing else can be changed.
  • Egoza April 20 2020 18: 29 New
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    I would also like to note ... In the United States during the Great Depression, Hollywood made COMEDIES and romantic films about bright tomorrow and love, adventures ... they supported people. And here, when people, especially the elderly, are sitting at home, deprived of normal communication, tense and worried, and so you still have a very emotionally heavy film about Zuleyha on the head and nerves! What's this? So that the old people got heart attacks and are already behind the powers that be? Not reminded of anything? I'm not talking about this endless advertisement of this "masterpiece", but you can die from the advertisement itself.
    Now about the relations of people of different nationalities. Yes, every nation has its own heroes and its own villains. But there cannot be a people entirely made up of villains !!! Why do not the current figures make films about heroes? About peoples and heroes who stood shoulder to shoulder in difficult times, just as they are now !!! And it’s simply amazing that such a channel as RTR, and such an “important program of 60 minutes," sharply rushed to defend this film. Do not be ashamed, gentlemen? Or maybe it's time to make the citizens of the gentlemen? Then they will think!
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      I can not agree with everything except that he shot Hollywood during the Depression.

      By the way, in the 90s, in the midst of those same 90s, they also shot awesome comedies and awesome dramas for the spite of the day. And there, even Akhejakova played so that tears in her eyes, the same "Promised Heaven."

      Now is not quite such a difficult period, here are filmmakers and slag on an industrial scale and by methods.

      By the way, when the Depression ended, Hollywood also degraded over the same three decades. Then the author’s cinema shot there, and then they intercepted this channel already.

      So, too, nothing is new under the moon, look at American melodramas of the early 50s, and their comedies, even contemporary Americans spit on them, it was so pathetic and tasteless slag.
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        I can not agree with everything except that he shot Hollywood during the Depression.

        So their depression is the 30s. Which ones do you mean?
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    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism.

    Everything is much more serious here! Anti-Sovietism all this liberal liberal trash - this is an occasion, a cover for the opportunity to pour regular slop on Russia, on the Russian people, who are directly associated with the Bolsheviks, with the Soviet regime! Socialism, capitalism, democracy, liberalism ...., the West and their local lovers do not give a damn about these isms! They all have Russia, the Russian people like a bone in their throats!
  • victor50 April 20 2020 19: 13 New
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    Soviet society was not perfect. And there was a lot in it that still causes fierce debate, including and dispossession. My wife’s parents (rather grandfather and grandmother, the parents were still children themselves) were dispossessed and exiled to Kyrgyzstan. The dispossessed grandfather died in battle on March 5, 1942. His wife’s mother, his daughter, was to the marrow of the Union patriot, passionately hated Yeltsin, his wife grew up the same, an unconditional patriot of the Fatherland. My grandfather - considered middle peasant - also during the period of collectivization, the horse was taken and tried to be written in fists (then he was the chairman of a small collective farm). But after all, there were films in the USSR that raised difficult questions, including about dispossession, sometimes they posed more problems with one phrase than modern TV shows like fines and the movie being described. And not all were described only in rainbow colors. Famous comedies raised so many problems, and with their irony about serious issues, omissions, shortcomings, made me think. The "garage" is probably very bright in this sense. Why now we are only shown our "clogged, unhappy, slavish life," which for some reason we have not seen, under the control of the NKVDshnikov, KGBshnikov, etc. Why are they only showing abomination both in concept and in execution? Apparently because it is possible to justify the current miserable position of the state, the insignificance of the elites, only by tarnishing the Soviet past. Yes, you can still compare, when the arguments ran out, with the 90s. laughing
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      Why now they show us only our "clogged, miserable, slavish life",

      And in order not to even dream of restoring the USSR, and children with grandchildren were not punished to restore socialism.
  • intuzazist April 20 2020 19: 13 New
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    Bellissimo !!! Many sentences are direct with my thoughts allied !!!! DECKED creatures obsess * all Soviet and Russian !!! Americans did not make a single film about the humiliation of blacks and the genocide of the Indians !!!! Only all razhins are defeated and in the final they wave the flag !!!!!! And we all pour shit ....
    And our filmmakers would be better off making a historical film about the occupation by the Ameans and Japanese of the Far East !!! And the British, who were economic in Murmansk, were not forgotten! And no matter how gorgeous the movie-goer would have turned out, about the exploits of the white-cows on the trans-sky !!!! And more details ... ... ..
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      And no matter how gorgeous the movie-goer would have turned out, about the exploits of the white-cows on the trans-sky !!!! And more details ... ... ..

      Well, you went too far wink About the film "Admiral" is filmed and often shown laughing What do you want, about the exploits of the white whales! laughing Well they fought with the Soviet Republic!
    2. AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 53 New
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      Excuse me, but in my opinion now all of Hollywood is only committed to apologizing to blacks - indirectly - in every film, stuffing them everywhere. Yes, and not only Hollywood, what Netflix is ​​worth, you can’t even see anything about Antiquity, so that without Negroes any minor.

      But.

      At the same time, they did not remove blacks for most of the last century, even as extras. The guilt complex is playing.

      Ours take everything from them, but it’s bad with us blacks.

      So they are trying to find an analogue in which their achievements will be fired.

      While it turns out so-so, it did not work out of the Tatars, even through the fact that Chulpan Khamatov was being fucked in the frame for the whole country.

      But it would not work, even if Alina Kabaeva were in her place. Well, it’s not the Negro Tatars either externally or a role in the history of Russia.

      But somehow I am not opposed to the Clinton clan losing money further, directly or indirectly sponsoring and pushing this nonsense on the territory of the Russian Federation. And without them and their connections and developments, it could not do here, could not do.
  • Amper April 20 2020 19: 44 New
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    Watering the Country of Soviets with mud is one of the goals of the modern state, especially since dirt is its main production, without limitations, the other fails. Yes, there was all terror, and blood, and bribes, and lack of jurisdiction. As now, the scales are only different and achievements ... And so modern “art” and TV require a special stigma - it is dangerous to use!
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    Quote: Svarog
    Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

    And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

    He personally, everyday and even cannot sleep, especially remembering how he was asked from the GDR agents for unsuitability for a professional. Since then, a bad guy and conceived a betrayal ...
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    Power is to the people!
  • primaala April 20 2020 21: 19 New
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    Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?
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    Why is there such a topic title ??? (I consider it an insult).
    First: the Tatars have long Russified the people in the Slavs. Millions of families got married. The generation has long been mixed. What I can’t say, with the Caucasus and terry "Islam."
    The novel itself is written by Grandma. Grandmother told grandmother ... etc. And if such a young author of the novel, then she shoveled a lot of documents. I think ... she was allowed to enter the archive.
    If you take the plot of the series, then of course there is something to discuss. The same image of Ignatov. He almost immediately realized - for whom they dispossessed !? for the "donuts" of ENKEVeDe employees !? Hard novel and series.
    The cast is up to par.
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      Sorry, but I know the authors of such a stroke, and what documents and how they are shoveling. Like Novodvorskaya and others like her.
      She didn’t spend a day in the archives, stupidly composed what she gives out, like what she heard from her dead grandmothers.
      It is based on the Solzhenitsin-Alekseyech method, as I call it.
      Namely, not even the inability and unwillingness to work with primary sources, but writing in a self-righteous manner and giving this self-righteous truth to the truth.
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      Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?
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      The cast is up to par.

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      ? and how old was the heroine in the novel., and how many hamatovoy
  • il-z April 20 2020 21: 27 New
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    Something popular today.
    https://jpgazeta.ru/zulejhe-podnimayut-veki-ob-odnoj-rusofobskoj-pustyshke/

    https://jpgazeta.ru/istoriya-odnoj-provokaczii-tatarskie-pretenzii-k-zulejhe-hamatovoj/?utm_source=politobzor.net

    Especially amusing (from the article on the second link):
    Do you hear these names and surnames? You don’t recognize anything familiar - well, at least flashed periodically in the news? Well, here's a tip:

    Talgat Tajuddin - Supreme Mufti of the Russian Federation;

    Ravil Gainutdin - Chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Russian Federation;

    Shigabutdin Marjani - the largest Tatar theologian of the XIX century, Muhtasib Kazan, imam of the first Kazan mosque;

    Umar Idrisov - the first chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Nizhny Novgorod region;

    Zhafyar Ponchaev - former chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of St. Petersburg;

    Gabdesalyam Gabdrakhimov - a prominent Orenburg mufti of the XIX century;

    Muhamedyar Sultanov is also a prominent Orenburg mufti of the XNUMXth century.

    The creators of the series endowed the prisoners with the names of prominent spiritual figures of the past and the present, and moreover, that they are absolutely not climbing into any gates, some of them are still alive! You know, even from the Americans, even from Ecuadorians, it’s hard to expect that when shooting a “film about the Gulag” they would make a roll call with “Kirill Gundyaev, Alexy Ridiger, Serafim Sarovsky and Konstantin Pobedonostsev”. And then "their" fussed! Apparently, they decided that no one in Russia is aware of who Talgat Tajuddin and Ravil Gainutdin are.

    But here is a surprise - there were such experts! Among them was, for example, the mufti of Moscow, Albir Krganov, who wrote an open letter to the government of the Russian Federation. Interestingly, Ramzan Akhmatovich will connect?

    The team of the series realized the full extent of the failure and did not find anything better than making excuses: “The props for creating this scene simply searched for popular Tatar names.” Props artists wrote the script !!! The guys have a great sense of humor, and it seems that they were repeatedly delayed in their salaries ... Okay, what if Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Mohamad Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi appeared there? The names are “Muslim”, “People shatters” ... True, then the FSB will come. If someone does not understand, these are the leaders of the very Forbidden State.
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    “The slave consciousness that the Soviet government has been planting for so long is a post-traumatic syndrome that needs to be cured and forgotten.”
    How familiar everything is. laughing
    It seems that our "creative" beau monde was driven through a cartoon in the Yeltsin center, and there is a zombie emitter, which "heals" the brain and then cleanses of unnecessary part of the memory.
    Galoshes! Galoshes! Only galoshes were made in the USSR!
  • Tank hard April 20 2020 22: 01 New
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    Thanks to Roman Skomorokhov for this article. hi I was waiting when someone decided to describe this "picture". Here is my grandfather, the son of the enemies of the people, volunteered for the “Finnish” and from the very first days he fought in the Great Patriotic War, returned as an invalid ... I am enraged by such “movie masterpieces”. Apparently we are very different with people like Chulpan Khamatova.
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      Quote: Tank Hard
      Thanks to Roman Skomorokhov for this article. hi I was waiting when someone decided to describe this "picture". Here is my grandfather, the son of the enemies of the people, volunteered for the “Finnish” and from the very first days he fought in the Great Patriotic War, returned as an invalid ... I am enraged by such “movie masterpieces”. Apparently we are very different with people like Chulpan Khamatova.

      What exactly did NOT like in the image of Khamatova ??? As far as I know the reviews (about the series on other resources) Chulpan write (in instances) it is the TATARs unpleasant reviews about the role.
      As for me ... I can assume that I was confused by a certain audience of the Tatar audience.
      It is shown that women were humiliated in Tatar families.
      - It was the Tatars who worked for the family.
      - It was the Tatar women who suffered the beating from the Tatar “fists”. etc
      So what is the scriptwriter wrong, and the author of the novel ???
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        What exactly did NOT like in the image of Khamatova ???

        ZULEIKHA OPENS EYES

        Next week on the channel "Russia 1" there is a series based on the book of the same name by Guzel Yakhina "Zuleikha opens her eyes." I must say that you watch a rare modern film with pleasure and even less often there is a desire to review something again. However, there are quite clinical cases when the series does not want to be watched at all. The film "Zuleikha opens her eyes" belongs to the latter category and, apparently, is intended to "open" our eyes to our history, presenting it, according to the old tradition of liberals and other anti-Soviet, a hopeless hell.

        This is probably why she is known for her friendship with Memorial and Khodorkovsky, as well as for the craving for falsification of Russian history, Lyudmila Ulitskaya, wrote the following review:

        “The novel“ Zuleikha opens her eyes ”is a magnificent debut <...> And for me it remains a mystery how the young author managed to create such a powerful work glorifying love and tenderness in hell ...”

        Ulitskaya gained wide fame after the scandal that happened in the Moscow House of Cinema. Lyudmila Evgenievna that day came to honor the winners of the competition of historical research works, established by the foreign agent Memorial, but at the entrance to the building she was doused with green.

        https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2748458

        Of course, zelenka is superfluous, however, a certain share of guilt lies with Ulitskaya herself, who is working too hard on the field of anti-Sovietism, and even calls modern Russia “the country of barbarians”.

        https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/novosti/7240911

        However, not only Ulitskaya appreciated the anti-Soviet creation of Guzely Yakhina. For the novel “Zuleikha opens her eyes”, Yakhina was awarded the following honors: Prize “Yasnaya Polyana”, jointly established with the transnational company Samsung Electronics; The Big Book Prize, affiliated with Vickselberg and Abramovich; as well as the Reader’s Prize, among the founders of which we see the London PEN Club (an international human rights NGO).

        Thus, the anti-Soviet creation of Guzel Yakhina liked the Russophobes, foreign agents and transnational corporations. Only the patriotic public was indignant and, it must be said, not only Russian - for example, the Tatar public figure and playwright Rabit Batulla opposed Yakhin as a Tatar writer, accusing her of a false description of Tatar life and traditions, and even disrespect for everything Tatar to the people.

        Incomprehensible in this story are only the actions of the leadership of the TV channel "Russia 1". It seems to everyone that on the eve of May 9 the main line of the information war against Russia unfolds around the Great Victory Day. And suddenly, an anti-Soviet film appears on the state channel glorifying, in the words of Ulitskaya, “love and tenderness in hell” (in the USSR, that is) !? What does it mean?

        After all, a demonstration on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the anti-Soviet film is either a deliberate help to foreign intelligence services in the information war against Russia, or evidence of hatred of the history of our country, and perhaps the presence of mental deviations:

        “If a person tries to rewrite the history of his own life, thinks in logic“ at that time I was not me ”, then we can suspect that he has serious psychological problems. This also applies to attempts to rewrite the history of the country, to draw artificial watersheds, to pretend that the history of an entire people can be started from scratch.

        The history of Russia is continuous, and each subsequent epoch is the direct successor of the previous era. If a person falls out of a continuous cultural-historical continuum, then he falls into a potentially dangerous situation, risks becoming a marginal, permanently losing himself, ”said Alexander Neveev, candidate of psychological sciences and sectologist.

        Whether the leadership of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and “Russia 1” have mental problems or not is not known for certain, however, questions to Dobrodeev and Zlatopolsky remain in any case.
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  • seacap April 20 2020 22: 05 New
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    And then we wonder why everyone in Russia is so united in the West and where such a wave of Russophobia comes from, why the monuments suddenly began to be demolished, because we all started it ourselves and did it ourselves, in the West we shrugged our shoulders and decided why not ? Everything belongs to us as we ourselves deserve it and how we present ourselves as traitors and morons, greedy and immoral. If you look from the side, how can you relate to people who, with their own hands, without any external aggression betrayed their ideals, all the gains and achievements of great ancestors, destroyed their country, the greatest world power at that time, and with excitement and fervor, as a laughing stock all over the world. In addition, they put it up for auction at a cheap price, or even for nothing, having organized the looting, unprecedented in the history of mankind, at its own expense restoring and strengthening the economies of hostile powers. How can one look at people who water their entire history with slop and humiliate their heroes, all of which is encouraged and cultivated by the "upper" leading boyar class, who believe that by humiliating their people, despising their country, they exalt themselves, making their people more significant, without even realizing that this leads to the opposite result. Our people have a great history, the people are not vindictive, they just have a good memory, and they have someone and whom to compare for our thousand-year history, we have seen everything.
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      And then we wonder why everyone in Russia is so united in the West and where such a wave of Russophobia comes from, why monuments suddenly began to be demolished, because we all started it ourselves and with our own hands
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      Whose hands ??? WHO stood at the NKVD squad ??? Why are Russians accused ???
      The Russians, the entire intelligentsia, were destroyed in 1917 and continued until 1953.
      If you write, then write more specifically.
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        And give the definition of an intellectual!
        Right, yes, and all?
        Just the same for no reason?
        Have you ever read one criminal case of that time? Well, open process materials at least. And such with the presence of foreign presses were also.
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  • Radikal April 20 2020 22: 20 New
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    We have something there mumbling with the lips of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the fact that our monuments are demolished abroad ... Without much success, however, like everything performed by our authorities.
    Therefore, they demolish it, because they see very well that the government itself stimulates the blackening of its own history, apparently believing that against this background, it would look “white and fluffy” but it will not work. sad
  • Radikal April 20 2020 22: 44 New
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    An interesting and correct assessment of this “movie” was given by N. Yurenev to Publicist.ru sad
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/107999/35648/-
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  • Pacifist with AK April 20 2020 23: 11 New
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    The deceased mother told. She and her mother, grandparents lived under the Germans (the village of Gorodishche, Chernukhinsky district, Poltava region). A Wehrmacht officer and a batman lived in their house - so quiet, cultivated, well-groomed. Never raised his voice, to he treated the locals neutrally. Once the drunken soldiers ran around a plum growing in the courtyard. The officer kicked them out of the courtyard in two words (my mother even remembered “veg” and “schweine”). In the evening, the elder brought a bowl of sugar from the kitchen, he said - the officer ordered.
    The second case. We were waiting for ours. The front part came, we spent the night in the house, like, fines. After their departure, my mother’s little coat disappeared, which my grandfather exchanged for food
    Why did I write this? What should the Wehrmacht adore and hate the Red Army? Two special cases in the bloody maelstrom of war ....
    "Our actors are just like stars: the older generation are red giants, the new ones are blue dwarfs." (C)
  • seacap April 20 2020 23: 51 New
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    If you write, then write more specifically.

    You seem to have had little contact with foreigners, and so, they all consider and call Russians in the post-Soviet space, sincerely do not understand the difference between a Belarusian or a Ukrainian, a Dagestan, a Tatar and a Russian, this is the first. Second, how do you feel about our "independent brothers", with whose hands and feet they "bumped" everyone into problems, although they don’t think so, they are to blame for all their troubles, we look the same for foreigners ourselves, it’s us betrayed our allies in Europe and the same Cuba, we "pushed" Central Asia and the Caucasus from the "house", despite their plea, aren't we the same as we rode at the "White House" along with the not hungry " foreman "on the tank, and then they ran to watch him shoot the last elected parliament. So you don’t need to be hypocritical and be a hypocrite, in our degrading society you can’t stay in white gloves, even if you stayed at home all the time and did not go to imitate elections. Yes, and less Solzhenitsyn, etc. read, the psyche will be stronger, and there will be less stupidity. And thirdly, in general, the article is discussed here, and not the opinions of those who leave a comment, because. trying to communicate with a stranger in a similar tone.
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    The truth that Simonov laid bare in The Living and the Dead !!!

    They also forgot “Go and see,” which I think should be shown at school every year so that it penetrates to the gene level.
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      They also forgot “Go and see,” which I think should be shown at school every year so that it penetrates to the gene level.

      I watched as a schoolboy. But to reconsider the spirit is not enough.
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      Right Only IMHO, once for a lifetime is enough. SMotrel in the late 80s also in the cinema.
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    It is not clear what kind of freedom was lacking in khamatova if she did not even have time to finish school under the USSR? She is a prostitute, that's all. Where the loot, there she is. What power are she and the actors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEax2X7hoE
  • Andrey Chelyabinsk April 21 2020 03: 04 New
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    Please tell me, dear author. And why "tarnish the history" or "tarnish the past" - it is by all means and only "tarnish the USSR"? And the Russian empire is allowed to denigrate, and what did Soviet propaganda do for 70 years? Is the Russian Empire not ours, not a Russian state?
    RI was a much more humane state than the USSR. All the Bolsheviks lived abroad, and if they were in exile, they fled like hares, gendarmes clapped their ears like suckers, imprisoned hard labor - seeds compared to the Soviet concentration camps, count the death penalty on the fingers.
    The USSR existed 70 years, and Holy Russia - a thousand years.
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      But was the state of Holy Russia)? or which of the Rus you mean)? which version do you like the Novgorod, Kiev or Moscow version, or the Galicia-Volyn principality.
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      About humanity is already ridiculous. Have you already forgotten about the tsar’s top scam with the abolition of serfdom? Though General Kuropatkin would be honored by the Russian Army. And then there was a tradition in the Empire every year to arrange hunger. Yes, and you probably are not blue blood. And you, as a lover of the empire and especially the fleet, will be pleased to recognize that the RIF in its wars from the Crimean War to the WWII destroyed significantly fewer pennants and tonnage than the RKKF in their own, despite all its monstrous jambs.
  • Andrey Chelyabinsk April 21 2020 03: 05 New
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    The series has not yet watched, but read reviews. Regarding the claims of the Communists - to hell, the USSR would not be the best time in Russian history. The Communists also denigrated the Russian Empire, including as a "prison of peoples" and this got away with it.

    Claims of Tatar nationalists and pan-Turkists (not only Kazan Tatars howled in social networks, but also Crimean, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, and even hell-who), I will say this: nothing to howl, the Bolsheviks dismissed you, you would not have been spoiled by the tsar.

    The criminal Leninist policy of indigenization, Russophobia of the burry half-Kalmyk - half-Jew, infringement of Russians and the promotion of nationalism of non-indigenous peoples - have led to today's national problems: the banderization of Ukraine, the Turkic center of the Tatars, cave nationalism and Nazism of different non-Russians and Russians.

    Because of this, the USSR collapsed and Russia could fall apart.

    Stalin tried to correct the situation by radical methods, but did not succeed. Moreover, a radical solution to national issues is also bad.

    The Russian tsars, meanwhile, carried out a competent policy of gradual Russification of the population of the empire, using not only the carrot but also the carrot.

    However, the Bolsheviks stole it all. Now we disentangle this Leninist-Trotskyist jelly.

    The series will certainly watch.
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      Go and see, maybe you’ll be smarter.
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      YOU, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, raving against the USSR, are NOT capable of proving that the Russian Empire, or your evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence" in the territory of the USSR you seized, is better for your country and people. By this alone you have proved that you are all fierce enemies of your country and people, among you there are neither patriots, nor even nationalists, but there are only racists.
      And you ALWAYS cowardly blame the Bolsheviks-Communists for the responsibility for what you yourself did during the Soviet period and after the capture of the USSR, which you yourself admit is your crime.
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      The USSR would not be the best time in Russian history.


      Well no. Soviet time is undoubtedly the best time in the history of the Russian state.
  • Kapral Alphych April 21 2020 05: 03 New
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    "Zulupeyka" I call her ...)) I hope they will not give a ban, just scold)
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    Against the backdrop of Western hysteria and Russophobia, the appearance on the screens of this "miracle" on the central Russian channel seemed to me more than strange. To shoot and show a film that denigrates the history of one’s own country and people - are you really crap ?! I want to ask - are you guys normal at all?
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      Or at least showed then the bright sides, so that people can independently decide what was more, what less! But no, they can only cheat everything.
  • Andrey the Magnificent April 21 2020 06: 22 New
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    I completely agree with the author of the article!
    Why not show “How steel was tempered”! ??
    In Russia 1! ??