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Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?

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Actually, it’s not about Zuleikh, to be honest. Yes, I’ll say right away that this is the first time that after the first series it became clear to me, and there was no need to continue. I have been writing about films for more than a year (fourth), but now it happened.


So, right away, to stop possible ranting “about the plot”, I will say this: there is no plot. More precisely, he is as old as the world. You saw this story in The Bastards, The Shtrafbat, The Citadel and other miscarriages of our Ministry of Culture and his accomplices, who didn’t even spit (replace one letter yourself, okay?) The Soviet past.

Well, Zuleikha opened her eyes ...


Well, yes, this is a photo of the author Zuleyhi, Guzeli Yakhina. Well, just one more thing. Co-author or “parent 2”, that is, Chulpan Khamatova.


I have not been surprised for a long time at the amount of hatred and slop that the Russian Ministry of Culture prepares and spills out onto the screens. It is clear that here the order comes from the very top, and complaints can only be to Putin, who (as usual, however) indifferently wants to watch his ministers have fun with Sovietophobia.

The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

I came to a very interesting and unexpected conclusion, dear readers.

But the conclusion will be at the very end, but for now just two words about the series about open eyes.

“For example, I hate the Great Patriotic War, I cannot be proud of it. For me, this is pain, blood and suffering, not only of the Russian people, but also of the German, soldiers and civilians of other countries. In principle, I hate wars and I will never support any of them. And if it does happen, then I will be sorry for all parties to the conflict. "

(Chulpan Khamatova.)

The position of the human rights activist is clear and understandable. As well as her participation in the film, which gives a certain degree of confidence in the reliability.

In general, what is needed for a modern Russian film to satisfy the requirements of the day, that is, the Ministry of Culture?

Everything is simple: sex, blood and the damned Soviet past.

All three components are present, and, as I understood from Yakhina’s rants, she still held herself in black gloves, and did not show ALL the truth. And the whole truth, she was so-so-ah-I ...

True, apparently, it was like a soundtrack to the film. The grave-mournful howl, tearing nerves and stuffing them into the soul - according to the authors of the series, it was it. Fierce melancholy, hopelessness and uncertainty.

Uncertainty - especially, eyes closed!

So, about open eyes.

Firstly, of course, they showed how the Tatars lived. We lived richly. To the envy of everyone. The houses are big. Cows Horses. Chickens. Bread. Everything was. Moreover, from the tsarist times, in general, from the creation of the world, the Tatars lived richly. And they rebelled by habit, but not because of the famines.

And then the tsar-father died and completely forced life began. When the Soviet Republic. And the terrible Bolsheviks came, who decided to lime all the Tatars to the root. Excuse someone and starve to death, someone, excuse me, fuck him to death, because (quote) "there is no one to trample the commissars."

Yes, commissars, of course, only Russians and Jews. There is no third.

Another quote from Mrs. Khamatova:

“The slave consciousness that the Soviet government has been planting for so long is a post-traumatic syndrome that needs to be cured and forgotten.”

Not cured. Also slavishly, excuse me, you continue to lick the dirty myth about how the Russians spread rot and humiliated everyone.

Meanwhile, Guzel Yakhina was born in 1977, Chulpan Khamatova - in 1975.

In the midst of the rule of the Soviet regime, which nevertheless nourished and learned them, and made it possible for both, after a certain time, to write and put slanderous libel on the Tatar people.

Indeed, for whom it offends me, it’s for the Tatars!

Of course, Yakhina and Khamatova for some reason really wanted to humiliate and denigrate this ancient and proud people. Apparently, something like that they both have to the past.

Well, how?

The movie, which was filmed according to the pitiful little book of Yakhina, has the entire mandatory set of modernity: a really dumb Tatar woman who suffers reproaches from her mother-in-law, insults that her husband humiliates five times a day, plus yes, you can evaluate the frankly swine scene of sexual satisfaction of Zuleiha’s husband.

Well, of course, it was under the Soviet regime. Here, with the king-priest - on the feather bed with sheets, and with all the possible routines. And under the Soviets - that's just it.

And Khamatova, in a frame with such masochistic pleasure, demonstrates to us the behavior of a proud Tatar woman - she tacitly endures everything from everyone. Especially from her husband.

Murtaza is a spit in the face of all Tatars.

Shown directly as a worthy rival to the Russians from the NKVD. Dumb, lustful, evil animal. Dumb - because the main phrase to the wife, granted by Allah: "Yes, who needs you." Then anyone will have a question, like, a Tatar, you yourself married, didn’t you see, didn’t you think?

Well, how Murtaza realizes his sexual needs is shown in the film. I’m not sure that the real Tatars clapped their hands, watching and saying “Yaksha!”

He beats his wife with anything, and purely for the sake of entertainment.

In general - a handsome man, Murtaza, a portrait of a true Tatar!

Well, how this handsome was taken out of the plot, generally super!

So simple: in winter, go to the cemetery to hide grain! Well, just a Tatar could not have come up with a better place, because he prepared a grave and realized a coffin as a bunker. A bummer came out with bags, but again this is Tatar stupidity.


Well, of course, Murtaza could only die like an idiot: rushing to the patrol of armed Red Army men. Those, too, are shown by those still Pinocchio, but they did not blunder and nailed Murtaza.

Zuleikha drags her husband’s corpse home, puts him on the bed and lays down next to him. Family, sorry ... sick?

Enough!

Oh no, sorry. In the "film" there are also "hysterical references", which describe the number of dispossessed in 1928-1930. That is, almost 15 years after the power in the country changed.

But for some reason, not a word has been said about the percentage at which the “fists" loaned grain for sowing to poorer villagers. In general, these were the first microloan organizations in the world, if that.

And not a word about the burned village councils, the killed engineers, machine operators, teachers, doctors ...

And they were not there. Murtaza, who beat his wife, hid grain, attacked the military - he was, but there was nothing else.

Who, excuse me, ordered this anti-Tatars? For my, excuse me, account?

Who benefits from the Tatars, who, although with turbulences, have lived with us for so many hundreds of years, suddenly appear like this ... odorous?

Yes, I do not know such Tatars. And I don’t want to know.

What should I do with 161 Tatar - Hero of the Soviet Union? And with the seven Crimean Tatars Heroes? And one double Hero?


Amet Khan Sultan, Soviet military pilot ace of Crimean Tatar origin, twice Hero of the Soviet Union


And with more than 70 awarded?

I just want to send all this to the prosecutor’s office, and to the general one, and ask if Khamatova and Yakhina’s acts reveal facts that correspond to article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?

What is this, if not the eight-episode humiliation of the Tatar people?

They built a country together, defended together, shed blood and labor sweat together ... Kazan is a modern pearl of cities, who built it? Slaves - the descendants of the stupid and limited Tatars from the movie Yakhina, or still the descendants of an ancient and proud people?

I have to admit: we sailed.

We have something there mumbling with the lips of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the fact that our monuments are demolished abroad ... Without much success, however, like everything performed by our authorities.

But one thing we have in recent years invariably. Regardless of who is sitting on the throne, regardless of who is in the seats of ministers, the humiliation and spitting of everything that was connected with the USSR continues.

That is, with our past.

Oh, how should the Constitution be changed, right? In order to straighten our shoulders, our government, under the leadership of the president, defended the historical heritage and the past ...

Yeah, right from the moment of signing, protection and preservation will begin.

In the meantime, here’s another Rzhev, here’s Shtrafbat, here’s Sevastopol Story, here’s “Tanks", Here is the T-34. Eat. And do not forget to vote. And it will become even worse.

But it will.

For a long time, we from Belarus had nothing like this. It’s time, you know, to shoot a film about the traitors-Belarusians who hid in the forests. And about the Ukrainians, they are also good.

What expanse do you feel? What a cut the budget ... Take a list of nationalities of the Heroes of the Soviet Union, and about each and every one of them.

With the roar of falling monuments all over Europe.

And what, the monuments fell, fall and will fall. While we were respected (and some were afraid), no one would even think of touching them.

But excuse me, what kind of respect for the people who constantly spit in themselves can we talk about?

Are Czech villains? Yes. Separately taken. Poles? Yes. Separately taken. And one can say this ad infinitum, but we ourselves set an example for them, replicating all this anti-Soviet pornography from year to year.

We want to be respected - we must start with ourselves. Respect your past. And wipe from the present those who are stained with brown paint our past. Without which, as you know, there can be no future.
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  1. Alexga
    Alexga April 20 2020 15: 18 New
    75
    The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 20 2020 15: 35 New
      31
      claims can only be against Putin, who (as usual, however) indifferently wants to watch his ministers have fun with Sovietophobia.

      Correctly the fish rots from the head ..
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi April 20 2020 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        Speaking of human rights defenders. The very Chulan Lokhmatova has a friend and associate, I won’t voice my name, yeah. Also left-handed, philanthropist and others. And he has a rest house in the Vladimir region. So ... Adventure in the kitchen of this DOE. A young lady who cuts salads palm tore to the bone. The rhythm of work is Tsigel, Tsigel ai Liu Liu. Less than 5 minutes later, the guard threw her out of the gate, not allowing her to put on her jacket, the jacket flew separately from the hostess, and finally they voiced it. You’ve never worked here, you’ll start speaking - you’ll regret it, go to the bus stop, call an ambulance and figure out where you cut yourself. Oh yes. The human rights activist does not make out workers in friendship. But yes. They did give her the money for the days worked. True, I had to run after them. Here they are philanthropists and cryoprotectors in all its glory.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 21 2020 08: 08 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          I will not voice the surname

          Why so? I don’t know who it is. Though in PM throw off, if scared ...
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex April 22 2020 18: 37 New
            +1
            Sanya, did he throw it to you? ... just for information .. (or maybe he’s a balabol) ...
          2. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi April 22 2020 22: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Though throw in PM, if scared ..

            Laponka ... But why should I be afraid of that? If only to confuse a surname, why and abstained to bring. I’m not sure, because the problem and the employer were not mine, but of the young lady whom she recruited to us. Workers feed. And the memory to load info, which is unnecessary to me ... Surname Bondarev like, if I am not mistaken. DO - VKS country, and that's for sure, and without errors.
        2. TANKISTONE
          TANKISTONE April 22 2020 22: 27 New
          0
          Maybe burn the nest? Then, the following ... Peasants, earlier tea was not fools.
        3. Mwg
          Mwg April 24 2020 05: 25 New
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          Quote: Lannan Shi
          Quote: Svarog
          Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

          Speaking of human rights defenders. The very Chulan Lokhmatova has a friend and associate, I won’t voice my name, yeah. Also left-handed, philanthropist and others. And he has a rest house in the Vladimir region. So ... Adventure in the kitchen of this DOE. A young lady who cuts salads palm tore to the bone. The rhythm of work is Tsigel, Tsigel ai Liu Liu. Less than 5 minutes later, the guard threw her out of the gate, not allowing her to put on her jacket, the jacket flew separately from the hostess, and finally they voiced it. You’ve never worked here, you’ll start speaking - you’ll regret it, go to the bus stop, call an ambulance and figure out where you cut yourself. Oh yes. The human rights activist does not make out workers in friendship. But yes. They did give her the money for the days worked. True, I had to run after them. Here they are philanthropists and cryoprotectors in all its glory.

          - This is the main characteristic sign of a liberal - to eat at someone else's expense. In this case, eat due to hired hard workers
      2. CSKA
        CSKA April 20 2020 15: 53 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar April 20 2020 16: 08 New
          70
          And who on Victory Day is blocking the Mausoleum with plywood? Mausoleum, at the foot of which in 1945 they threw the banners of the defeated III Reich? Who on Victory Day launches a tricolor ahead of the Victory Banner?
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan April 21 2020 15: 02 New
            +8
            I’ll add, but who forbids the referendum to Volgograd residents who want to return the glorious name to their city?
            1. silver169
              silver169 April 21 2020 15: 16 New
              -16
              Yes you are right. It’s high time to return the glorious name Tsaritsyn to this city.
              1. fruit_cake
                fruit_cake April 22 2020 10: 59 New
                +3
                bots with Soviet flag avatars write against the Soviet state, you are such idiots
              2. DMB_95
                DMB_95 April 22 2020 14: 37 New
                +6
                Quote: silver169
                Yes you are right. It’s high time to return the glorious name Tsaritsyn to this city.

                Medal "For the defense of Stalingrad" canceled the word "Tsaritsyn" on the chest of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and officers.
            2. CSKA
              CSKA April 23 2020 12: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I’ll add, but who forbids the referendum to Volgograd residents who want to return the glorious name to their city?

              And who banned? There is a discussion underway.
              https://bloknot-volgograd.ru/news/o-referendume-za-pereimenovanie-v-stalingrad-zagov-1089048
              Personally, I am for renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad, and Kaliningrad to Koenigsberg.
          2. CSKA
            CSKA April 21 2020 15: 18 New
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            Quote: Pushkar
            And who on Victory Day is blocking the Mausoleum with plywood?

            If everyone in power would criticize the USSR and everything that was done in the USSR, it was sovietophobia, and blocking the building with plywood is not sovietophobia.
            Quote: Pushkar
            Who on Victory Day launches a tricolor ahead of the Victory Banner?

            If you don’t know, then this is our national flag, and if you want to carry the flag of a country that is no longer there.
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              1. CSKA
                CSKA April 23 2020 11: 54 New
                +5
                Quote: putila1
                Yours is the flag of Downbas. There you sit.

                Your clown forgot to ask what I need to do.
        2. sergey32
          sergey32 April 20 2020 16: 31 New
          -59
          The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault.
          As for the film, it did not cause me to be rejected. Our history is great and powerful and everything happened in it. The thirties is the time of great accomplishments. The forest was cut famously and the chips flew be healthy. In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.
          There was another time, 10 years as the brutal Civil War ended, and yet another Great One was clearly visible ahead. Stalin understood this very well. Hard times require hard decisions. The overwhelming majority of people, the Soviet government became their own, so they defended it and their homeland from a powerful enemy, but according to many destinies it went through the rink. Such is the bum.
          A huge hello to the Tatars. My best student life of 5 years has passed in Kazan.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... April 20 2020 17: 08 New
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            Cho barge again? And your grandfather dumped everything to you ten?
            - "Tell me about the war" (p.).
            - "You don't need to hear this for your granddaughters" (p.),
            Grandfathers tried to tell something good or funny to children, Real grandfathers were wise ...

            Attempts to show the real history of the 30s in the uh opus and not close. Tons of known substance were dumped ...
            1. sergey32
              sergey32 April 20 2020 17: 20 New
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              I was twelve. After a stroke, my grandfather was paralyzed. He talked a lot about the 30s and about the war that one of the brothers went through and survived. I remember about the barge. I do not know if he himself saw or heard at that time. At that time we only studied industrialization, collectivization, Pavlik Morozov at school. I then approached my grandmother and asked, "Bab, and grandfather tells the truth about that time." "The truth is, he says, there were people who suffered in vain. Just keep quiet about it."
              1. Sergey S.
                Sergey S. April 20 2020 18: 28 New
                +7
                Quote: sergey32
                there were people who suffered in vain. Just keep quiet about it

                And what's new here?
                Only when they talked about it, did they speak quietly, told the children to be silent ...
                This is from the realization of shame and domestic fear of injustice.
                It was...
                But these same people, when they met injustice, stood on their hind legs for truth and for their homeland ...

                And there were those who talk about abominations openly, not embarrassed ... and they make the same filthy movie with the joy of a sadist ... Where would they be ...
              2. Bobrovsky
                Bobrovsky April 20 2020 21: 49 New
                +3
                It turns out I myself have not seen. Well, that’s easier.
              3. ermak124.0
                ermak124.0 April 21 2020 06: 01 New
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                I was always surprised, grandfathers told their young grandchildren everything, everything, well, right here it is, the grain of truth, hold it, granddaughter stronger, the truth is terrible in it. You see, how dashing it was, they kept the whole country on bayonets and hunger ... And my father and mother, 1924, an adult son-officer, did not say anything except that they lived merrily and interestingly. I told them Volkogonov (Glavpurovskaya bastard), Solzhenitsyn, Rybakov under his breath, and they laughed. Yes, and lived hard. Very! Sometimes it’s unbearable. But what about !!! War, father was drafted in June 1943, mother from 42nd in military hospitals as a nurse, post-war devastation, service in the garrison iben. And who to believe me, these granddaughters with constant barges ??? This is this Lokhmatov, or his father, from a private, a cadet to a stripe, and a mother, a medical worker ??? The answer is obvious. For me the phrase ", but my grandfather said to me" has recently become synonymous with the phrase "according to British scientists" .... Sorry, these grandchildren got it.
                1. ermak124.0
                  ermak124.0 April 21 2020 06: 21 New
                  +1
                  from a big mind, apparently
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                3. knn121121
                  knn121121 April 22 2020 14: 32 New
                  0
                  and it is true, thanks
              4. Altona
                Altona April 21 2020 11: 25 New
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                Quote: sergey32
                Grandfather after a stroke was paralyzed.

                -----------------------
                I willingly believe that after a stroke, usually half of the face goes numb and this is very conducive to talking about psychopaths who met on the path of life.
              5. HaByxoDaBHocep
                HaByxoDaBHocep April 23 2020 07: 03 New
                +3
                My grandfather was serving in Kolyma, in 1939 he drowned in the Indigirka, he never told me anything about it, I found out about it after his death from my father and yes, he sat, that means he deserved it
            2. mister-red
              mister-red April 21 2020 13: 38 New
              +7
              I agree. My grandfather never talked about the war, despite my questions. Once he just said that if it weren’t for 100g before the attack, the horseradish would come out of the trench under the bullets and shells. Honestly, he was little and then did not understand him.
              The first time I thought about it, when schoolchildren on the 30th anniversary of Victory, the whole class went to the film "They Fought for the Motherland." The film itself is very heavy in places, but on the big screen it's something.
              And my grandfather managed to get a medal of 30 years of Victory and died a month later, so he didn’t have time to ask anything else.
              1. meandr51
                meandr51 April 21 2020 16: 25 New
                +2
                It depends on personal qualities. My father was an infantry lieutenant in 44-45. He heard from him that before the attack he forbade drinking to his platoon and did not drink it himself. But then, if it was, then they accepted it. But supply on the offensive was unimportant. Not only vodka, but also crackers were often lacking. So they had to take Koenigsberg dry!
                1. mister-red
                  mister-red 8 May 2020 17: 21 New
                  0
                  I agree. But the grandfather was a peasant, and no matter how never even a Komsomol member. He was even partially dispossessed in the late 30s. And I don’t think that I was eager for the front. But after the war he always got up when the USSR anthem was played
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins April 20 2020 17: 09 New
            -30
            Chaotic article. The fact that the author did not like the film - I realized ... But what is the film about? So I did not read or watch the film adaptation of the work. I am reading an article, but I cannot draw conclusions. Take Skorokhov u for a word? Is not a fact. Everyone has their own opinion.
            Well, I want to make comments to Roman. The nuances of family life indicated by him ... Roman! I saw such an attitude towards wives in Turkmenistan in 2002-2003, and you, apparently, mention the turn of the century!
            And they especially "touched" the words of praise addressed to the Tatar people and Sultan Ahmed Khan ... Wasn't VO they branded "Haitarma" several years ago ?!
            1. Altona
              Altona April 21 2020 11: 26 New
              +7
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              And what is the film about? So I did not read or watch the film adaptation of the work. I am reading an article, but I cannot draw conclusions. Take Skorokhov u for a word?

              ---------------------------
              It’s better not to watch modern adaptations at all, a solid anti-Soviet Marvel. That’s why I don’t look, then I look at reviews only.
            2. Leonleon
              Leonleon April 21 2020 12: 58 New
              +4
              There is a line of the dead. Broadcast of the horrors of the NKVD. Front fascists, behind the NKVD. Not about anything, but why on the occasion of the 75th anniversary
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 21 2020 01: 40 New
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            Quote: sergey32
            He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area.

            Quote: Cyril G ...
            Cho barge again?

            And if you listen, then such barges are only on the Amur River from Khabarovsk to Nikolaevsk-on-Amur, right at each turn of the river, three of them were drowned. And also the steamboats from Vanino to Magadan, the entire Tatar Strait were hammered. And how many of these barges from Krasnoyarsk down to the Yenisei to Dudinka drowned ... Barge builders only had time to make these barges so that the NKVDeshniki had time to drown repressed in these freshly built barges, we also do not forget about the construction of steamers for the Vanino-Magadan line. Therefore, during the Soviet era, there were only two shipbuilding plants in the Khabarovsk Territory, and they worked in 3-4 shifts ... laughing
            1. Crossbill
              Crossbill April 21 2020 03: 27 New
              +2
              Dear Alexander! Three shipyards were in the Khabarovsk Territory. Two in Khabarovsk, one in Komsomolsk.
              1. Fitter65
                Fitter65 April 21 2020 06: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Crossbill
                Two in Khabarovsk,

                As far as I remember, there was one shipbuilding plant in Khabarovsk, No. 151 at the beginning of life, then it became "In the Name of the 60th Anniversary of the USSR", and before that it was a ship repair plant, if by the second plant you mean Daldizel who built diesel engines for ships, then this is not entirely true.
                1. Crossbill
                  Crossbill April 21 2020 07: 24 New
                  +1
                  Another plant named after Kirov (formerly 368)
                  1. Fitter65
                    Fitter65 April 21 2020 08: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Crossbill
                    Another plant named after Kirov (formerly 368)

                    Exactly, it was like this, almost 20 years since this enterprise was closed. By the way, this plant built mainly river ships and barges for the rivers of the Far East ... In the current realities, there was no one else to drown on barges, the need for river vessels has become much less ... And so much less that all day you can not see a single boat, larger than a boat of the Amur type, passing under a bridge in Komsomolsk ...
                    1. Crossbill
                      Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 13 New
                      +1
                      Nope .. wink They were always imprisoned at sea. And the delivery base they had was in Vladivostok. And they mainly riveted seiners, squid trolleys, refrigerators, science .. For 8-12 ships a year ..
                      1. Fitter65
                        Fitter65 April 21 2020 12: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: Crossbill
                        They were always imprisoned at sea.

                        1932 - the Oston shipyard (OSipovsky ZATON) was put into operation in Khabarovsk, originally intended for the assembly of small vessels that were delivered in the form of machine kits from the European part of the country ...
                        In 1935, the plant was assigned No. 368, and on April 17, by the Decree of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR No. 181, it was named after S. M. Kirov. The following year, it was transferred to the Main Directorate of River Shipbuilding Industry of the People's Commissariat of Heavy Industry of the USSR.
                        Since August 1937 - under the jurisdiction of the Main Directorate of River Shipbuilding Industry of the People's Commissariat of Mechanical Engineering of the USSR.

                        So at first he was engaged in river construction ... In those very years when barges were really needed laughing
                      2. Crossbill
                        Crossbill April 21 2020 13: 01 New
                        0
                        You sho !!!! Yes, for such a thing I would lean against the wall !!! Irrational use of small vessels !!! Only huge non-self-propelled barges to immediately fit 50 thousand, and preferably 100 !!!
            2. blackice
              blackice April 22 2020 07: 01 New
              0
              4. Even in Nikolaevsk-on-Amur.
              1. Crossbill
                Crossbill April 22 2020 07: 35 New
                0
                Yeah. I always thought that they were only involved in ship repair, and they were also building something.
          4. Koshak
            Koshak April 21 2020 17: 49 New
            0
            How was shipping in general possible under such conditions? and in the 30s. and now - these barges are unlikely to be raised ... stop
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 April 22 2020 01: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Koshak
              How was shipping in general possible under such conditions? and in the 30s. and now - these barges are unlikely to be lifted ..

              So shipping was not the main task of that time, the main thing was to send the innocent to the Gulag, and since many (unambiguously that illegally) survived the Holodomor, then on their barge, on a barge. And what do you think, that is why he is a bloody dictator. After all, look how many "not good" films have been filmed. One "Tired Sun" is worth it, about other opuses like "penal battalion" and there is no need to say why, (I just watched this with me) ... Well, in the 90s, the "metalheads" gave everything, but sent to Korea for metal. .. hi good
          5. blackice
            blackice April 22 2020 07: 04 New
            0
            But the following is interesting to me. From where did his grandfather know about a particular barge? After all, the NKVD officers knew about this only.
            It makes me think.
            Grandpa didn’t finish something.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB April 21 2020 08: 11 New
          +8
          Quote: sergey32
          In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.

          Just do not give out for your memories crap deducted from Solzh ...
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 April 21 2020 11: 16 New
          -4
          Quote: sergey32
          The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault

          I join. Particularly surprised by the author’s attitude to the words of Khamatova that she does not like the Great Patriotic War. Probably the author loves ....
        5. 72jora72
          72jora72 April 22 2020 06: 14 New
          +3
          In the first half of the eighties, my grandfather told me a lot. He served urgently in the NKVD troops
          And then my granddaughter, they shot me ...... (c).
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 20 2020 17: 14 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        Threw on the fan and satisfied! He expects that they will do the work for him, throw examples, and then he will continue to throw them.
      4. victor50
        victor50 April 20 2020 18: 35 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        Remember the USSR and "only galoshes" ?! Did the graduate of the law faculty declare about the "coup" instead of the October Revolution? About the November 7 parade, which is "in honor of the November 7, 1941 parade"?
        It's just right off the bat .. Not enough? However, you will say, "you never know what he could tell foreign journalists for political reasons for the good of the state"! laughing
        1. Kuzmitsky
          Kuzmitsky April 20 2020 22: 01 New
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          And what is anti-Soviet in the phrase "October coup"? For example, most of Lenin's comrades-in-arms, who personally participated in the revolution of 17, used him in their articles and books, and not the "Great October Socialist Revolution." The second phrase was invented when most of them were no longer alive.

          And why is the November 7, 1941 parade less significant than the October Revolution itself? By the way, in the 41st year, our ancestors saved their country from destruction, from Red Square they went to the front. And in the 17th, one half of the country went with arms against the other (if you simplify, in reality there were much more parties to the conflict).

          See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution. Although the PR is a part of our history, part of the foundation on which modern Russia stands.
          1. Fitter65
            Fitter65 April 21 2020 02: 08 New
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            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution.

            Then you need to figure out who defended the Fatherland, and who fought with the citizens of their country. Not so long ago, 100 years have passed since American troops destroying civilians
            left the territory of the Russian Far East, and there were also the British (without them at all, when and how) with their concentration camps, the French with their outrageous warriors (we read the "series" called French military exotics) Recall the Czechoslovakians who erected the monuments and other commemorative signs in the cities where they committed atrocities ... The Japanese are yet another liberator of Russia from the Far East. Finns who, until 1922, twice invaded the territory of the RSFSR ... Germans, Poles, Romanians and others ... And who drove them out of the borders of the then young Soviet Country? Who is this great warlord? Denikin? Yudenich? Krasnov? Kolchak? Or Wrangel? Yes, it seems, like the units and subdivisions of the military commanders listed above did not mess themselves up with military operations with the invaders and occupiers, but rather, they were eager to destroy Soviet power with them ...
          2. victor50
            victor50 April 21 2020 15: 20 New
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            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            And what is anti-Soviet in the phrase "October coup"?

            A coup is a change of power within the ruling system. I think you know this, no need to pretend. A revolution can be called a revolution only with the aim of belittling its significance and showing some contempt for the event that the graduate of the law faculty, where he was taught to distinguish one event from another, did it with pleasure.
            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            And why is the November 7, 1941 parade less significant than the October Revolution itself?

            No less significant, but secondary to the Revolution. For without her he would not have been carried out. And how hypocritical it sounds now: a parade in honor of the parade. sad
            Quote: Kuzmitsky
            By the way, in the 41st year, our ancestors saved their country from destruction, from Red Square they went to the front.

            So what? My grandfather’s brother probably participated in this parade. And really right from the parade to the front. There is an amazing letter to him on the eve of his death. He did not need to explain the difference between the coup and the revolution and in honor of which the parade was held.
            1. Kuzmitsky
              Kuzmitsky April 21 2020 16: 52 New
              -5
              The revolution was called a coup by Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc., that is, people. who made this very revolution. If in doubt, look for information. Under the word "coup" they meant a violent change of power, that is, a revolution. Revolution sounds more beautiful, although it is synonymous with coup. For example, the "revolution of guiding" sounds beautiful, but it does not cease to be inherently a revolution.
              1. victor50
                victor50 April 21 2020 17: 36 New
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                Quote: Kuzmitsky
                The revolution was called a coup by Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, etc.

                You apparently mean the famous words of Lenin: "The revolution about which the Bolsheviks spoke so much ..."? You would refer to anything. Because it was called a coup, it did not cease to be a revolution in essence. So for what purpose is the president deliberately doing this?
                1. Kuzmitsky
                  Kuzmitsky April 21 2020 17: 59 New
                  -1
                  Why immediately Lenin? You need links - I have them. Here is Stalin, for example (he certainly is not a contra):

                  OCTOBER coup

                  (October 24 and 25, 1917 in Petrograd)

                  The most important events that accelerated the October uprising were: the intention of the Provisional Government (after the surrender of Riga) to surrender Petrograd, the preparation of the Kerensky government to move to Moscow, the decision of the command of the old army to transfer the entire garrison of Petrograd to the front, leaving the capital defenseless, and, finally, hectic the work of the black congress, led by Rodzianko, in Moscow - the work of organizing the counter-revolution. All this in connection with the growing economic devastation and with the unwillingness of the front to continue the war, determined the inevitability of a quick and strictly organized uprising, as the only way out of this situation.

                  From the end of September, the Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party decided to mobilize all the forces of the party to organize a successful uprising. To this end, the Central Committee decided to organize the Military Revolutionary Committee in St. Petersburg, to achieve the abandonment of the Petrograd garrison in the capital and to convene the All-Russian Congress of Soviets. Such a congress could be the only successor to power. The preliminary conquest of the most influential in the rear and at the front Soviets of deputies of Moscow and Petrograd was certainly included in the general plan for organizing the uprising.

                  The central organ of the Workers' Party, obeying the instructions of the Central Committee, began openly calling for insurrection, preparing the workers and peasants for a decisive battle.

                  The first open skirmish with the Provisional Government took place on the basis of the closure of the Bolshevik newspaper Rabochiy Put. By order of the Provisional Government, the newspaper was closed. By order of the Military Revolutionary Committee, it was opened in a revolutionary way. The seals were torn off, the commissars of the Provisional Government were removed from their posts. That was October 24th.

                  On October 24, in a number of important state institutions, the commissars of the Military Revolutionary Committee forcibly removed representatives of the Provisional Government, as a result of which these institutions fell into the hands of the Military Revolutionary Committee, and the entire apparatus of the Provisional Government was disorganized. On this day (October 24), the entire garrison, all regiments in Petrograd resolutely went over to the side of the Military Revolutionary Committee, with the exception of only a few cadet schools and an armored division. The behavior of the Provisional Government was marked by indecision. Only in the evening did it begin to occupy bridges with shock battalions, having managed to breed some of them. In response to this, the Military Revolutionary Committee moved sailors and Vyborg Red Guards, who, having removed the shock battalions and dispersed them, themselves occupied the bridges. From that moment an open rebellion began. A number of our regiments were moved with the task of encircling the entire area occupied by the headquarters and the Winter Palace. The Provisional Government met in the Winter Palace. The transfer of the armored division to the side of the Military Revolutionary Committee (late at night on October 24) accelerated the favorable outcome of the uprising.

                  On October 25, a congress of Soviets opened, to which the conquered power was transferred by the Military Revolutionary Committee.

                  Early in the morning of October 26, after the Aurora bombardment of the Winter Palace and the headquarters, after a shootout between Soviet troops and cadets in front of the Winter Palace, the Provisional Government surrendered.

                  The inspirer of the coup about the beginning to end was the Central Committee of the Party, headed by Comrade Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich then lived in Petrograd, on the Vyborg side, in a safe house. On October 24, in the evening, he was called to Smolny to lead the movement.

                  An outstanding role in the October uprising was played by the Baltic sailors and Red Guards from the Vyborg side. With the extraordinary courage of these people, the role of the Petrograd garrison was reduced mainly to the moral and partly military support of the advanced fighters.

                  Pravda No. 241,

                  November 6 1918 city

                  J. Stalin


                  And nobody burned what Stalin called the revolution a coup. By the way, the literal translation of the word "revolution" is a coup
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 April 21 2020 19: 25 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Kuzmitsky
                    called a coup.

                    2 times the title and once in the text. And another question, for what reason in the historical context. And in other cases, rebellion. Where is Lenin? Trotsky? or is Stalin's permanent name after 18? In addition, you did not say anything about galoshes.
          3. 72jora72
            72jora72 April 22 2020 06: 17 New
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            See the difference between defending the Fatherland and the Civil War? At least half of the country, as the events of the next few years have shown, was not happy with the October Revolution.
            Do you know that Civil began before the October Revolution?
      5. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 20 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        Quote: Svarog
        Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

        And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

        You won't explain anything to "them" .. They don't need to think. The main thing is to drive the wave! Capercaillie on the current !!!The history of the country in all its diversity is not interesting. There were no dispossessed people. There were no repressed. There was no history of the country .. There was a comrade. Stalin is the leader and hope! A kind of "kolisurengoy" on the contrary. The film itself is also disgusting and uninteresting to them ... I'm sure they didn't even watch it or watch it. A film about people .. About human relationships. About the need to remain human in any situation.
        1. astepanov
          astepanov April 20 2020 20: 13 New
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          Quote: 30 vis
          A film about people .. About human relationships. About the fact that it is necessary to remain human in any situation.

          Fiercely plus. But someone sees bowel movements everywhere. This is a strange social phenomenon, but it can lead only to one thing: to the ugliness of history (with subsequent relapses), to indifference to someone else's pain.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 20 2020 22: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: 30 vis
          You won't explain anything to "them" ..

          And what does he interpret? In addition to the question I do not see any interpretation.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 21 2020 11: 33 New
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            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: 30 vis
            You won't explain anything to "them" ..

            And what does he interpret? In addition to the question I do not see any interpretation.

            And the fact of the matter is that you do not want to understand .. Capercaillie on a current!
        3. blackice
          blackice April 22 2020 07: 29 New
          0
          There was a comrade. Stalin is the leader and hope! A kind of "kolisurengoy" on the contrary

          For the image of Stalin, many see the revival of Russia as a Power. With a capital letter. Until the year 90, not a single country in the world allowed wiping its feet on the USSR, as everyone is doing it now. And it was built under Stalin.
          Let me remind you once again that all foreign countries admired how Russia left the agrarian country by the beginning of WWII as an industrial power. Yes, it was a great sacrifice, but it was inevitable. And the result justified everything.
          Otherwise, the peoples of the USSR drowned the stoves of Auschwitz.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 22 2020 07: 50 New
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            Quote: blackice
            For the image of Stalin, many see the revival of Russia as a Power. With a capital letter. Until the year 90, not a single country in the world allowed wiping its feet on the USSR, as everyone is doing it now. And it was built under Stalin.

            Yes, Stalin is an unusual figure in world history. Great and controversial. Until now, no one undertakes to shoot a feature film - "Stalin" ... It is difficult for many reasons. There are a lot of good and bad in this man ... I, not about Stalin. I'm not to judge . I'm talking about the possible course of history .--- Stolypin was not killed .. There is no revolution in the Russian Empire. The First World War ended in victory ... Probably, the Russian Empire would have done without these victims of the industrial revolution and the Second World War would not have happened .. And 500-600 million people would have lived in our Great (Without a doubt, and without the participation of Lenin, Stalin!) ... We lived well! Therefore, with all my heart I do not want new revolutions and Maidans in Russia.
      6. martin-159
        martin-159 April 21 2020 19: 08 New
        0
        The fact that in the USSR, apart from galoshes, nothing was produced, do you think should be regarded as praise?
      7. freejack
        freejack April 22 2020 10: 18 New
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        Putin was engaged in sovietophobia?

        What kind of flare - if the Soviet, then good ... There that r ... they didn’t take off ??? .... (((

        There’s something else scary - no need to trample the memory of neither imperial Russia, nor the USSR, nor modern Russia ... Respect and patriotism be a Veteran of ALL wars ... soldier
        Putin has nothing to do with it ... You just need a healthy society !!!
        And how to display this "cultural" I don’t know the locusts, but I’ll listen to recipes from you! wink
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    3. astepanov
      astepanov April 20 2020 18: 08 New
      -22
      Quote: Svarog
      Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

      A quote from Roman Skomorokhov, with reference to Chulpan Khomatova:
      Quote: Svarog
      For example, I hate the Great Patriotic War, I can not be proud of it.

      The author tries to expose Chulpan Khomatova and, obviously, loves the Great Patriotic War. And now, following Chulpan Khomatova, I can’t love her. One can be proud of the staunchness and courage of the people (both soldiers and those who worked at the rear as we never dreamed of), we can and should be proud of the greatest victory - but only a person with deviations can love the war and be proud of the war itself. The war mutilated one of my grandfathers and killed the second. Can I love the war for this? The victory only happened because our grandfathers fiercely hated the war and managed to break the ridge to its instigators. Honor to them for this and praise.
      Quote: Svarog
      Firstly, of course, they showed how the Tatars lived. We lived richly. To the envy of everyone.
      Author /, well, are you lying? The life is shown not of the Tatars, but of Murtaza. Murtaza’s fist is not all Tatars. This is only Murtaza.
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Murtaza is a spit in the face of all Tatars.
      But for some reason, not a word has been said about the percentage at which the “fists" loaned grain for sowing to poorer villagers. In general, these were the first microloan organizations in the world, if that.
      And not a word about the burned village councils, the killed engineers, machine operators, teachers, doctors ...
      The author, you already decide. Either your Murtaza should be shown with angel wings, then he is kulak ...
      Well, how Murtaza realizes his sexual needs is shown in the film. I’m not sure that the real Tatars clapped their hands, watching and saying “Yaksha!”
      Did you want beautiful sex? Offended aesthetically?
      The movie, which was shot according to the pitiful little book of Yakhina, has the entire mandatory set of modernity: a really dumb Tatar woman
      Do you think that a woman who was married at age 15, who is unlikely to read and saw nothing in her life, except everyday plowing, should have seven spans in her forehead, like Sofia Kovalevskaya? I think that the Russian peasant women, too, did not know the polites and courtesy treatment.
      What should I do with 161 Tatar - Hero of the Soviet Union? And with the seven Crimean Tatars Heroes? And one double Hero?
      Is someone asking the author to do something? Heroes and without his participation will remain heroes. Regardless of nationality.
      In general, apart from hysterics and falsifications, I did not find anything in this opus. Except, perhaps, really our own: “I didn't really look, but I didn't understand what I was looking at, but I angrily condemn and demand that the creators apply the highest measure of social education, preferably with brilliant green on their foreheads and even a violation of Lenin's norms.
      1. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 April 20 2020 20: 30 New
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        If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly. Then what kind of tragedy are we talking about in the book (by the way, sheer graphomania), in the film?
        1. astepanov
          astepanov April 20 2020 22: 38 New
          0
          Graphomania, speak?
          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly. Then what kind of tragedy are we talking about in the book (by the way, sheer graphomania), in the film?
          Have you read the book? Watched a movie? No one has exiled Murtazu anywhere. He was killed at the very beginning, he is a passing figure. If you are SO reading books, then you simply have no right to judge their quality.
          And in general, a very amusing phenomenon: our television is crammed to capacity with trashy serials with nondescript acting, ridiculous scenarios, a stream of scenes of murder and violence - and at least someone would remember about them on "VO". On other channels, they constantly play American chewing gum with Spider-Man, Superman, Batman and other nonsense, demonstrating the alleged genetic superiority of the Homo American over everyone else - and again this does not outrage anyone. But then a domestic film comes out that even in bestial conditions other people remain people, that the commandant of the special settlement is not quite a beast, and in this film there are excellent actors - and fanatics immediately run up, muttering something about the conspiracy of "Jewish-Masons ", about defamation and about how good it was in the thirties.
          It's also funny that the same fighters for the bright image of the thirties yelled a year ago about the insult of the bright image of the king-father in the film "Matilda". Maybe it's time for you, gentlemen, to decide - either remove the cross, or put on panties?
          1. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 05: 04 New
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            I started reading this book and could not stand it for more than three pages, it’s impossible to read! A complete nightmare in the literary plan. Then she just looked over and realized that she had done the right thing, that she had not read further.
            I tried to start watching the series and threw shelter almost in the middle of the first series!
            And now I have a few questions (not only about this nonsense, but generally about the latest films about that time):
            - Why NKVDshnikov always show stupid, aggressive and evil?
            - Why are always and everywhere NKVDshniki only Russian? Why are employees of this department of another nationality not shown anywhere?
            Why is it unknown why Russians should be forgiven? All kind, and only Russian are so nasty?
            - Why are we forced to feel sorry for the fists, traitors and enemies? A man hid a bag of grain, buried it in the ground (no matter where, most importantly, in the ground). This means that this grain will simply disappear, which I understand, even not a villager. So why did he do this? Out of mischief? Not me, so nobody?
            - Why in all films of our time there is a negative for our country of that time? Was there nothing good? So untrue, it was, and a lot. But nobody recalls this. Why are there no modern films about how Soviet people built new factories in Stalin's time, factories, how Stalin stopped forest plantation and hunger in the Volga region by forest planting? Want a historical truth? Let's say. But then let them make films about how the kulaks killed livestock on collective farms, killed collective farmers, so that it was clear why they were being exiled. And it turns out that only the Communists and the NKVD officers are crap, and they all exiled just like that, out of boredom. And they were completely innocent in the camps.
        2. gsev
          gsev April 21 2020 03: 58 New
          -2
          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          If Murtaza was a fist, then they exiled him correctly.

          As far as I know, in the village of Sibirovka, in the summer of 1917, land and all property were taken from the landowner. The property was divided equally, and the land was divided by the number of workers. Under Soviet rule, land redistribution was arranged regularly. I don’t know the principle, according to the number of workers or consumers. Some worked better, they were called fists, some worse than their poor. In addition, children appeared who were young and could not work, the family became poor, children grew up and passed into the category of fists. More boys are closer to the fists, more girls are closer to the poor. A blacksmith or veterinarian or agronomist or just read books on agriculture and used science means fist. The poor in the village were a little sorry. Particularly poor, that is, ideological poor did not sow at all, did not plow, but lived for their own pleasure. For them, the world plowed, processed and gathered bread. But he got such an ideological poor man of bread so much that he could only not die from hunger. It was problematic for such a poor man to find a wife if he was not a merry harmonist. Interestingly, taxes from such a poor person were taken less, and more from working people. Therefore, by 1930, everyone wanted to occupy a niche between the middle peasant and the poor. You don’t have to humiliate yourself before the tax inspector, And Comrade Stalin realized that with such a system, commodity bread for industrialization could not be collected. Therefore, they drove the village of Sibrovka into a collective farm, and put in the leaders the most ideological and principled poor people who were given the power to exile and pardon. They deported those from whom they were afraid to get a butt on the head or a red rooster for disagreeing in assessing the current moment. And the great turning point began. After the famine of the early thirties, everything gradually settled down. Someone who fundamentally did not want to work on a collective farm left for MTS or for the city. Realizing that if all the bread was taken, the country would die of starvation in 10 years and so that the collective farm chairmen would not degenerate into slaveholders, Stalin allowed the peasants to have a personal plot from which the family could feed themselves, even if the chairman tried to starve them out of personal revenge paying for workdays only sticks. But from one household plot it became difficult to feed. My grandmother told how they taught a relative, "Have a godfather conscience, steal from the collective farm! If you don't steal, your children will starve to death. " The shameless godfather did not steal and his children died. And whoever had a conscience and stole, and fed and watered the management of the collective farm with the thieves, even managed to get a certificate, “that the de shaitan had beguiled us and we dispossessed such a mistake. Return those who on Sakhalin or Kazakhstan from hunger and disease did not die to the village of Sibirovka. " It is interesting how the war affected the collective farm system. During the war, everyone was taken from the collective farm bins and then everyone became equal. All collective farm activists-komedovtsy died of hunger. And then the slow fading of the village began. The country's leadership was afraid to let the villagers go out of their hands and came up with new quirks, then the personal plots would be taken away, then the taxes on the garden would make it easier to lime, then the feed for the cow would start to get in the way. Sibyrovka village disappeared between 1970 and 1980. Unfortunately, the harsh truth is apparently not needed by modern authorities, and they brought out some fantastic odious characters with Freudian inclinations in the film. So both the Tatars and the Russians did not accept the film.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan April 21 2020 15: 29 New
            -3
            I confirm, not everything was "smooth" in our past. For example, my grandfather was also counted with a fist, and in about 1928 he and his family were evicted from a Ukrainian village to the Urals. He just turned out to be the "richest" in the village, and the authorities had to carry out the dispossession plan. They survived with difficulty, but there was no resentment against the country, all four of the grandfather's children learned and survived, only his son died in the Second World War.
            Of course, this is neither right nor normal, but is it normal that great people like Tupalev and Koralev were also punished, does anyone even believe that Tupalev is an English spy?
            So there was a lot of injustice then, although now it is enough.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 21 2020 15: 31 New
              -1
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Tupalev and Koralov

              fool
            2. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 21: 43 New
              +2
              There was no plan for dispossession, it was just rumors. Who in the village was determined by the fists of the village themselves.
          2. oracul
            oracul April 23 2020 08: 01 New
            0
            It is strange to read such opuses. Although, who knows, maybe unique people lived in your Sibirka and worked for those who did not want to work, and they also provided bread. Only all this is idle talk. People, of course, are different and their interests are different, and they work differently. Sometimes even random people come across in leadership positions, poor in knowledge and ability to organize a business. They rush about trainings, seminars in the hope of getting a prescription on how to do business, but they do not succeed because they are not capable of this. Most often these are people professing a liberal management style that gives a lot of freedom and democracy in the workplace, which is attractive, but not effective.
            1. gsev
              gsev April 24 2020 02: 09 New
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              Quote: oracul
              Although, who knows, maybe unique people lived in your Sibirka and worked for those who did not want to work

              And what has changed since then in modern Russia? The owners keep many workers in their firms out of pity. What is the use of Rogozin at the head of Roscosmos for Putin? But this is his man, he is sorry, why offend the relative of a respected colleague? Or Mrs. Vasilieva. If she was a stranger, would she be able to find herself on a recognizance not to leave, after enormous embezzlement, where could she prove herself to be an actress in shooting cool clips? Likewise, in the village of Sibrovka, the lazy people there were brothers and matchmakers, and relatives did not let them starve to death .. Or take Serdyukov, whom the military not only despised but publicly called into the eyes of a man. How much time did they endure it?
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 April 21 2020 12: 09 New
          -1
          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          If Murtaza was a fist, then they sent him right

          What does it mean right? They’ll come to your dacha tomorrow, they’ll take everyone and you to Siberia with your family
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar April 21 2020 14: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: Pilat2009
            They’ll come to you tomorrow
            That's what you are afraid of ... sad
          2. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 17: 47 New
            +3
            If she had lived dishonestly, if she had stolen, then under Stalin they could have been taken. For me - I will not hide, it would be very insulting and difficult. But the country would be useful. The point is not only in me, a specific person, but in showing the whole country that thieves will come, that they will be imprisoned. Or is it better as it is now - steal billions and live quietly?
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor April 21 2020 20: 16 New
              0
              And from whom did the kulaks steal, provided that they were working for themselves and not for the collective farm? And for what, as you say, he was "correctly exiled"?
              1. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 April 21 2020 21: 52 New
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                Apparently, you are clearly not a villager, since you do not understand the elementary.
                Why can not let the hardworking middle peasant become a fist? His wealth is limited by the size of his land allotment. As long as he uses the land that his family received on the principle of dividing by the number of male eaters, this peasant will not be able to get much wealth, because the yield in the fields is completely limited. It works well, works poorly, a relatively small field leads to the fact that the peasant remains poor enough. In order for the peasant to become rich, he must take something from other peasants.
                Moreover, the problem of kulaks also existed in the Russian Empire, where wealthy peasants managed to crush the village. Although the rural community itself partially protected from the growth of kulak tenure, and the kulaks began to appear mainly after the Stolypin reform, when some became wealthy, in fact bought up all the lands of their fellow villagers, forced the fellow villagers to work for themselves, became large sellers of bread, in fact, became already the bourgeoisie.
                In addition, if you think that what kind of authorities determined who the fist is and who is not, then someone has deceived you.
                Who the fist was determined by the villagers themselves, so there simply couldn’t be any plan to eliminate them.
                1. 2 Level Advisor
                  2 Level Advisor April 22 2020 08: 38 New
                  +1
                  Love, to your point of view, there are a number of questions:
                  “As long as he uses the land that his family received according to the principle of division according to the number of male eaters, this peasant will not be able to receive much wealth, because the yield in the fields is quite limited. It works well, it does not work well, a relatively small field leads to the fact that the peasant remains poor enough.In order for the peasant to become rich, he must take something from other peasants.As long as he uses the land that his family received according to the principle of division according to the number of male eaters, this peasant cannot receive much wealth, because the yield in the fields is quite limited. It works well, it does not work well, a relatively small field leaves the peasant poor enough. In order for a peasant to become rich he must take something from other peasants. "

                  Gender was not divided between the number of eaters, but both sexes, and when it began, all the peasants were on an equal footing.

                  "It works well, it works badly, a relatively small field leads to the fact that the peasant remains poor enough. In order for the peasant to become rich, he must take something from other peasants."

                  The increase in land plots was started by Stolypin, before that it simply could not be taken away, and the community was the main one, would not give. "In 1906-1907, on the instructions of the tsar, part of the state and specific lands was transferred to the peasant bank for sale to peasants in order to alleviate the land deficit. In addition, the Bank carried out the purchase of land on a grand scale and then resold it to peasants on favorable terms, intermediary operations to increase peasant land use He increased the credit to the peasants and made it much cheaper, and the bank paid a higher interest on its obligations than the peasants paid him. The difference in payment was covered by subsidies from the budget, amounting to 1906 billion rubles for the period from 1917 to 1457.5. "
                  It turns out that those who were more active, were not afraid to risk taking a loan and working on credit land in order to recapture its value with the harvest, and as a result began to have a large allotment and to hire people is a "bad fist". And did they give him land? and who prevented others from doing so - fear, laziness? And then they determined the kulaks - they work for him, give loans - everything is a kulak.
                  You know, now some people also say, since you live in a good house, a good car means "bad" and "parasite", so I have the impression that you are defending this point of view.
                  1. Lyuba1965_01
                    Lyuba1965_01 April 22 2020 18: 56 New
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                    It all depends on several factors. 1 Number of family members and their gender. The family in which the majority of women (and it happens that there are 5 children in the family, and all the girls) could hardly become kulak families. The families where more boys were born were in a better position. 2. Regions of Russia where peasants lived. Agree that you can not compare the climate and fertility of the Krasnodar Territory and the Volga region, where there were frequent crop failures due to climatic and natural conditions. 3. It also depended on what allotments the peasants received, what was cultivated on these lands earlier, a wetland or, next to the forest, an open area. 4. It also mattered which girl the boys married from, what family she was from, what was given in the dowry. It happened that there were few men in the family, the family was not very wealthy, and some land allotment was given in the dowry. 5. Well, the very nature of man. There are those who have a conscience and, even if they have become wealthy, but paid the workers honestly, did not rob them of their last debt. And there were those who could leave the debtor without anything at all.
                    1. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor April 23 2020 08: 41 New
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                      I completely agree with you, by the way, much of what you wrote and in modern life has not changed. (I'm talking about the initial conditions) Well .. In the one who was born and in which family and where, it turns out how lucky in life ..
                      As for the land, there was a program for resettlement to Siberia / Urals with super-concessional loans and super-cheap land and at EBN, which I don’t like, for example, just the ancestors of the kulaks in the Urals from such ..
                      And about those who lived next to those who took away the last, it would still be possible to move to try many .. but - the character, "where he was born, he came in handy there", "land of ancestors", etc. Although in relation to them, taking away, I can not say that I would not support such dispossession ... Although, again, in our time there are many such "kulaks" all over the world ..
                      That's why, with which I particularly agree, what depended most on character. But when dispossessed, the above did not bother anyone.
                      They were dispossessed on the basis of the basic characteristics of "hired labor and lent," under this category, everyone could be tightened up and personal qualities did not bother anyone. Since, an order came to indicate everyone who "hired labor and gave on loans," and if you do not indicate, you yourself will suffer for harboring, because not one of the "kulaks" remained, either good or bad in the end. I think, simply because hired labor for a private trader, as a phenomenon, did not fit into the ideology, although in the end, work for the state for pay is also hired labor, even indirectly - "through a collective farm."
                      That is why I originally wrote to you in response to your words about the kulaks "to show the whole country that they will come for the thieves, that they will be imprisoned. Or is it better as now - steal in billions and live comfortably?" and so on, since I did not understand what is the connection between thieves and kulaks, a thief is a criminal, and a huge number of "kulaks" nevertheless, through their labor, legally, achieved the state of "kulak", and not by stealing from the treasury, like some " colonels / governors ".
                    2. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 April 23 2020 09: 31 New
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                      And how does a thief differ from any employer who rats his employees to pay? He's exactly the same thief, even worse. A person works, does not mess around, and for this they try to cut back on his already meager earnings. But the employee is forced to even go to such work, because you need to feed your family, and you must live on something yourself. In fact, employers (probably heard about conspiracies, as they relate to wages as well) take advantage of a person’s hopeless situation, and a thief uses credulity and defenselessness in some cases. Only a thief can be imprisoned (if he stole a little, of course, or did not share with anyone), and the employer steals from his employees by law. So I don’t see any particular fundamental difference between thieves and those who use hired labor. As for moving to Siberia at the EBN, there wasn’t much difference either with him or when the kulaks were sent there. By and large, there is only one difference: the kulaks were sent there, and under EBN they offered to go voluntarily. In both cases, people went nowhere.
                    3. 2 Level Advisor
                      2 Level Advisor April 23 2020 15: 28 New
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                      Lyuba, we started with kulaks, and have already come to unscrupulous employers, and I myself am not against punishing them. I wrote that initially the peasants did not have employers for the kulaks, when the Stolypin reform appeared in nature, they were able to rise from the same peasants. And how rightly do you think you have earned a "fist" 100 rubles should be given to everyone? Or everyone needs to get a penny, and so that the head of the "state", but not offensive to anyone ..
                      If we talk about employers .. Lyubov, you write "So I don't see any particularly fundamental difference between thieves and those using hired labor."
                      So, non-hired labor is just "kulaks" and entrepreneurs .. the rest are all hired in the world .. A person came for example .. well, for example, after college to work at school or there as a driver in a government agency, salary 12-15 tr, work for hire, why is the state stealing from them or is it a normal salary? But in a commercial school, a teacher, a driver in a bank - salaries are several times higher for the same job.
        4. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 April 22 2020 12: 31 New
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          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          if she had lived dishonestly, if she had stolen, then under Stalin they could have taken

          Well, did you steal your fists? Who is interested? Take an interest in the history of collectivization
          1. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 April 22 2020 18: 58 New
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            I know the history of collectivization quite well, you can rest assured. And yes, fists did not steal. They simply took the last from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation. They cut off the already small fee for any reason, they could leave the debtor literally poor.
            1. gsev
              gsev April 23 2020 02: 45 New
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              Quote: Lyuba1965_01
              They cut off the already small fee for any reason, they could leave the debtor literally poor.

              As far as I remember from my grandmother’s stories, my fists did not commit any extraordinary robberies. As I understand it, the percentage of kulaks was the same as for Alfa-Bank or VTB credit cards. Modern organizations on microloans take much more than fists, and collectors use more stringent methods than the armpits of the time. In addition, the Soviet government taxed the kulaks with a progressive tax, unlike the owners and top managers of modern banks. If you approve of repression against the kulaks, then the next step is to approve the expulsion to Solovki of all microcredit and collectors and dispossession of all bankers.
              1. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 April 23 2020 16: 34 New
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                Quote: gsev
                If you approve of repression against the kulaks, then the next step is to approve the expulsion to Solovki of all microcredit and collectors and dispossession of all bankers.

                You directly guess my thoughts and desires.
                The famous breeder Ryabushinsky wrote: “In the unwritten Moscow merchant hierarchy, the industrialist-manufacturer stood at the pinnacle of respect, then the merchant-merchant came, and below there was a man who gave money in growth, counted bills of exchange, made capital work. no matter how cheap his money is and no matter how decent he himself is. Percentage ... "
                But Henry Ford, all his life he defended a simple organization of the American economy: production and trade should be exclusively in private hands, but banks, to one and all, should belong exclusively to the state.
                Because manufacturers and traders receive honest income from the production and sale of specific products - but the banker makes money from the air, through combinations with other people's money, which harms the real economy ...
            2. Pilat2009
              Pilat2009 April 23 2020 11: 38 New
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              Quote: Lyuba1965_01
              they took the last from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation

              Was it during the Soviet era? And where did the authorities look at that time? You know, I read the Quiet Don, Dauria-books that passed some kind of censorship, even in the damned tsarist era, each Cossack had his own and no one died of hunger. And the shares were distributed who pulls what. That is, there was some kind of control. And yes, now you try not to pay a loan or a mortgage
            3. gsev
              gsev April 24 2020 02: 15 New
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              Quote: Lyuba1965_01
              the latter was taken from the peasants when they fell into a difficult situation. They cut off their already small fee

              In collective farm times it was a common occurrence when the collective farm worked only for sticks and for the right to have a personal plot and not to be dispossessed. When Khrushchev reduced repression and arbitrariness then had to increase pay for workdays.
              1. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 April 24 2020 11: 58 New
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                What nonsense, who told you this? I have a grandmother from Don, a Cossack. They paid the peasants, even if not very much, but it didn’t completely depend on the authorities. They don’t earn much on agricultural products, they almost always subsidize all countries, which is understandable: providing the country with its own agricultural products is the key to its security and independence from deliveries from other countries. But at that time the country could not pay much to the peasants, there was not enough money for much. Industrialization was also carried out, which also required large investments, and this same industrialization was beneficial for the peasants, because they received new agricultural equipment, combines, tractors, etc. It was difficult not only for them, but for the whole country.
                1. gsev
                  gsev April 24 2020 22: 11 New
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                  Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                  What nonsense, who told you this?

                  At different times, in different places they paid differently. In addition, over time, collective farm life began to enter into a civilized framework. All the horrors in Sibirka occurred in the 30s. As I understand it, the closer to Moscow, the less despotic they were towards ordinary collective farmers. Therefore, they tried to move from Western Ukraine to Eastern, and from there to Moscow. As far as I know, no one considers the status of the owner of a small store in the suburbs higher and more comfortable than the fate of the collective farmer. But a friend believed that to be a farmer in the Afghan Chamkani to be more pleasant than a businessman in the suburbs.
                2. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 April 25 2020 00: 01 New
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                  Yes, it was very difficult and not everywhere the same, but in 20 years our country has done much more than modern Russia in 30 years. And this with a complete change of political and economic course! But modern Russia will never achieve such success, and this is the fault of the liberal system and liberals in all branches of government and in the economy. I'm afraid to even think about what will become of our country in case of war. Will hand over the country and us with giblets "our" leadership. And there will never be Yolodguards in modern Russia - liberalism mutilated the younger generation. Yes, and why doesn't your friend leave for Afghanistan, if it's so good there?
                3. gsev
                  gsev April 25 2020 00: 05 New
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                  Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                  comrade does not leave for Afghanistan, if it is so good there?

                  He left a few years ago in Afghanistan. Afghans are more obedient and helpful than Russians if they are not expelled to work.
                4. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 April 25 2020 08: 45 New
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                  So your friend just needs a good maid, but not a wife. Then the flag is in his hands.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar April 20 2020 22: 36 New
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    Quote: astepanov
    And now, following Chulpan Khomatova, I can’t love her.
    And I love the Great Patriotic War. I love because she protected all of humanity and our beloved Motherland from the black evil of Nazism, for its light for centuries. And there is not a drop of pity in me for bitch children who came to my homeland to rob and kill, here my grandfathers and parents drove them into the ground. And rightly so.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 21 2020 12: 11 New
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      Quote: Pushkar
      And I love the Great Patriotic War

      I'm happy for you.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar April 21 2020 14: 36 New
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        Quote: Pilat2009
        I'm happy for you.

        "The gentleman called me beloved wife!"
  • another RUSICH
    another RUSICH April 24 2020 16: 05 New
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    The fish does not rot from the head, but all at once
  • Zastupnik
    Zastupnik April 20 2020 16: 51 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    Yes, we remember op standing in the media and everybody watered mud and everything ..
    What can I say if the editor-in-chief of the Kommunist magazine Yegorushka Gaidar himself spat on everything Soviet with the same idiologist Judas Yakovlev and Gorbach ..
    I read the book well, but I think the film is very anti-Soviet and Russophobic .. I don’t even want to watch the pressure rise .. I continue to bite the foundations of Russia, but more carefully and subtly ... hi God be their judge ..
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 20 2020 20: 47 New
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      Quote: Zastupnik
      I read the book well, but I think the film is very anti-Soviet and Russophobic .. I don’t even want to watch, so that the pressure does not rise ..They continue to bite the foundations of Russia, but more carefully and subtly ... God be their judge ..

      There is a parable about this.
      The killer and the writer went to hell. They sit in pans, take hellish torments, and under them the fire blazes. Over time, under the killer, the fire began to weaken and eventually died out and the killer was taken out of hell, and under the writer, on the contrary, the fire flared up more and more hotter, prolonging the torment. Then he turned to God and asked why the killer's torment was over, and his torment was becoming more intolerable if he had not killed anyone? To which God replied - "The sin of the murderer is forgotten and forgiven because those whom he touched and those who remembered him have already died and there is no more anger and curses, and your book has already been read and read by tens of thousands of people and all your anger and abomination is written in the book it eats away their hearts and burns out their souls, sowing hatred and pushing them into bloodshed prolonging your sin. You will burn while they read your book. "
      If Valentin Pikul, Lev Smolentsev wrote books having previously turned over a lot of historical archival materials, being immersed in the topic, now modern "scribbles" are not concerned with this and no longer show the world "muddy-historical pseudo-fantasy" that has nothing to do with historical truth and is directed not only against the Soviet of the past, but also to warm up ethnic confrontation and intolerance.
      1. victor50
        victor50 April 21 2020 15: 33 New
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        Quote: Nyrobsky
        but now modern "scribbles" are not concerned with this and are more showing the world "muddy-historical pseudo-fiction" that has nothing to do with historical truth and is directed not only against the Soviet past,

        But imagine - the system has changed, well, or the power, and the attitude towards the past has changed. How these same people will rush to praise the Soviet power and make films about kulaks-bloodsuckers, shouting along the way that they were not enough to be destroyed, their children were also needed. There are a lot of such "truth-fighters" in the bohemian get-together. Mikhalkov is a bright representative! And everyone clings to the current trend. And Khazanov, and Pugacheva and other courtiers of the old Kremlin power, almost fought with the Soviet regime, it turns out, she prevented all of them from living.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 21 2020 16: 06 New
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          Quote: victor50

          And imagine - the system has changed, well, or power, and the attitude towards the past has changed. How do these rush to praise Soviet power ...
          I hope then they will be rewarded for their deeds, and these actors will go to people's construction sites in Kolyma, Magadan and Naryan Mar for practical knowledge of the exiled life, through which they will ultimately be able to realize their potential for the good of the state, against which they tirelessly worked, causing a split in society. It is difficult to defeat us from the outside using military force, but we can be defeated if unity is destroyed. All these "Zuleikhs" have one goal - to artificially shake the situation inside Russia using national and religious contradictions, for which "problems" of language and identity are pulled out of naphthalene, spiced with ideological crap and a one-sided interpretation of historical events. Someone was right when he said: "Is it any wonder that people abroad have ceased to respect our monuments, if we have ceased to respect ourselves. While we are engaged in self-flagellation, somewhere in Europe, monuments of our heroic past are silently falling."
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 39 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    That's right you wrote, support. And the author also, correctly wrote Roman
    Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.
    Disgusting.
  • businessv
    businessv April 20 2020 23: 26 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.
    So everything is still in place, colleague! From that memorable 1991, when two alcoholics and one nationalist decided to change and divide the country!
    1. 16329
      16329 April 21 2020 12: 49 New
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      Why insult the country in such a way, saying that only 3 not quite adequate personalities have collapsed, think what you write, please
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  • Ivan90
    Ivan90 April 21 2020 09: 52 New
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    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    Do not like Russia - Wali in the United States.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 21 2020 12: 12 New
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      Quote: Ivan90
      Do not like Russia - Wali in the United States.

      I would prefer that the liberals led by Putin dumped
  • primaala
    primaala April 21 2020 21: 02 New
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    Quote: AlexGa
    The funniest thing is that ministers change, and the essence remains unchanged. Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.

    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism. Remember 1991, remember the course of those events and everything will fall into place.

    At least one correctly noticed ...
    And the thought dawned on me - the Russian FEDERATION, which CONCEPT holds ??? PEOPLES ???
    Exactly !!! And judging by the comments ... RUSSIAN few who love. But what is there "love" - ​​do not respect.
    Maybe it's time to rename the Russian MONOPOLY ??? What do you think ???
    Really ... it's a shame for the State !!! "matzah" takes offense at the truth. Islam warmed itself under the wing of the Russians.
    WHERE are the comrades walking ???
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 22 2020 11: 41 New
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    I remember 1991, then I lived in Novosibirsk, do you think there was a condemnation on people's faces? There is no complete complacency, in fact, that the city has changed, nothing! So what to worry about?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 20 2020 15: 19 New
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    And, after all, the most important thing, for what is happening in the country, there is no one to ask and no one to ask! It seems that everything is "in place" in the country, however, it has long been clear that they are in the wrong "places"! Their places are under the bunk, and not in warm offices, with a bunch of guards! They know how to the people and let them spit into their souls on the sly to pit us against each other in order to make a gesheft for themselves in the misfortune of others. The authorities, unwilling to think and act in the interests of the people, will, at best, then think in the garden how to deal with pest beetles, forgetting that such pest beetles in human form sit in warm places. ..
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 20 2020 16: 24 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      they are hurting people and spit in the soul

      This is actually an anti-Tatar libel disguised as anti-Soviet.
      The series "Zuleikha opens her eyes" in the Tatar environment would have caused an equally stormy flurry of negative emotions. In addition to distorting the historical truth, there are also claims to the series regarding the Islamic component. Muslims were particularly outraged by two things: the sex scene inside the mosque and the unexpected mention among prisoners of current and long-dead Islamic leaders in Russia. So, this list includes Shikhabutdin Mardzhani, Ravil Gainutdin, Talgat Tadzhuddin, Zhafar Ponchaev, Umar Idrisov and other famous personalities. All this reminds of the situation, as if the Americans were filming a film about the repressed in the 1930s and inserted into it the first names from Russian history that they could google on the Internet: Mishustin, Lomonosov, Ivan the Terrible, Navalny, Lenin, Alexander I , Pushkin, Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko. Moreover, it seems that the creators of the opus wanted to unfold the scene of the desecration of a Muslim shrine even more abruptly, where the old grandmother is still looking for a place in the temple to meet her needs. But it seemed to the creators of the "kin" not enough, right, near the place of the mullah, the commissar is engaged in all sex with a young pretty guard in a white fur coat. Apparently the creative workshop is completely captured by the Jews. Muslims wonder what all this means: we are just a provocation against major leaders of the Tatar people, or a subtle hint that they all belong in prison dungeons?
      1. Zastupnik
        Zastupnik April 20 2020 16: 57 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        This is actually an anti-Tatar libel disguised as anti-Soviet.
        The series “Zuleikha opens her eyes” in the Tatar environment would cause an equally stormy flurry of negative emotions. In addition to distorting the historical truth, claims about the Islamic component are expressed to the series. Muslims were particularly outraged by two things: the sexual scene inside the mosque and the unexpected mention among the prisoners of the current, as well as long-dead, Islamic leaders of Russia.

        The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! They sleep and see when in Russia the troubles began at the religious and international level .. So that the bloodshed would flow in the center of Russia ..
        Gentlemen, the Sorov grant-eaters will not work for you. We have the vaccine in the 90s !!! hi
        Wait for the patience of the Russian people and chase you, as in the good old days .. to cut wood and clean the snow in the tundra ..
        1. kotvov
          kotvov April 20 2020 18: 17 New
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          The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! ,,
          So is Soros allocated money for this? And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.
          1. Zastupnik
            Zastupnik April 20 2020 19: 49 New
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            Quote: kotvov
            The film is clearly Sorovsky .. Divide and conquer! ,,
            So is Soros allocated money for this? And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

            And who is there in the Ministry of Culture? Have you seen the TV channel "RF Culture" ..?
            Who mainly performs there, etc.? I don’t look because it's disgusting ..
            1. kotvov
              kotvov April 21 2020 09: 58 New
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              And who put them there, Soros? Who invites these, esteemed guests? Not for nothing they say, the fish rots from the head, so it rotted.
          2. businessv
            businessv April 20 2020 23: 30 New
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            Quote: kotvov
            And for some reason I heard that the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation.

            Not only that, the Ministry of Culture, but another sponsor was Ak-Bars Bank!
            1. kotvov
              kotvov April 21 2020 10: 01 New
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              So one gang.
      2. astepanov
        astepanov April 20 2020 18: 52 New
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Muslims were especially outraged by two things: the sexual scene inside the mosque

        Firstly, the scene there is not in the mosque, but in the former mosque. By the thirtieth year, almost no churches remained in the villages of the USSR, they were turned into warehouses, clubs, schools ... So this building was already desecrated nowhere else. And in many ways - with the full connivance of the faithful. So pouring blame for it on Guzel Yakhina or Chulpan Khomatova is to shift the blame from a sore head to a healthy one.
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        there the old grandmother is still looking for a place in the temple to justify the need.
        I already said that the mosque was not there, but there was a collective farm warehouse. And ZK was unlikely to be released as needed - that’s where the grandmother had to ... Did you want the Red Army man to bring her a pot of Gzhel painting? Or should she have relieved herself in trousers, or what has she got there?
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        But it seemed to the creators of the "kin" not enough, right, near the place of the mullah, the commissar is engaged in all sex with a young pretty guard in a white fur coat.
        Well, the picture is quite consistent with the recommendations of the revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai: they quickly hooked up and fled. Do you want cheap descriptions a la "elusive avengers"? But the story is what it is, with dirt and gore. To make a Tula gingerbread out of it means to conceive a relapse.
        1. businessv
          businessv April 20 2020 23: 48 New
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          Quote: astepanov
          By the thirtieth year, almost no churches remained in the villages of the USSR, they were turned into warehouses, clubs, schools ...

          And in your opinion this is the basis for such a bacchanalia with all honest people ?! You, my friend, do not forget that even if there are almost no temples, there are more believers than there are now, and people of that time have not yet degenerated a sense of shame and self-esteem!
          Quote: astepanov
          recommendations of the revolutionary Alexandra Kollontai: they quickly got laid and fled.
          At that time, the revolutionaries were gone! There was Soviet power, so here you are past! And history is not always dirt and blood, there are not only 100500 shades of gray, but also millions of colors in the palette! And tens of millions of people would like the relapse of free apartments, land, education and medicine! Well, and the hatred that the film is saturated with in relation to everything Soviet is basically a feeling of losers, ignoramus and nonhumans because it can only destroy, but not create! hi
          1. astepanov
            astepanov April 21 2020 09: 55 New
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            Quote: businessv
            if there were almost no temples, there were more believers than there are now, and people of that time have not yet degenerated a sense of shame and self-esteem!
            Yes, stop it! The gangs of Razin, Pugachev, Bolotnikov consisted entirely of believers and they enthusiastically burned and slaughtered everyone who was hit. And then the same believers from the other side tortured and chopped their heads with the same rapture. So shame and mercy among believers is not greater than among atheists.
            Quote: businessv
            At that time, the revolutionaries were gone! There was Soviet power, so here you are past!
            The proletarian poet wrote that "The revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end." Alexandra Kollontai practiced her theory of a "glass of water" from the XNUMXs to the post-war years.
            Quote: businessv
            And history is not always dirt and blood, there are not only 100500 shades of gray, but also millions of colors in the palette!
            But pictures were painted only in pink, but not in gray. If you follow your recommendations, then all you need is to produce crafts such as "pig and shepherd" and "Kuban Cossacks", lying through and through. From these films, you are probably judging that era. A more or less normal life got better only in Brezhnev times - but I remember Khrushchev's clayey Trans-Baikal bread, and semolina for children on ration cards, and the fact that it was impossible to buy chicken in the store ...
            Quote: businessv
            And tens of millions of people would like the relapse of free apartments, land, education and medicine!
            My parents plowed all my life at the factory, but never got an apartment. I also plowed in the research institute for 20 years, and was in a preferential order - and did not wait. About free land - don't tell tales. My grandfather, a village peasant, an invalid of war, was forced to cut the last apple tree in Khrushchev’s times, so they clamped taxes. And he didn’t have his own land. True, my great-grandfather had - but this was before the revolution. As for education and medicine, I agree with you.
            1. businessv
              businessv April 21 2020 12: 46 New
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              Quote: astepanov
              I also plowed in the research institute for 20 years, and was in a preferential order - and did not wait. About free land - don't tell tales. My grandfather, a village peasant, an invalid of war, was forced to cut the last apple tree in Khrushchev’s times, so they clamped taxes.
              It is immediately felt that you "plowed" at the research institute! Nonsense that in the days of Khrushch the peasants were squeezed by taxes, forcing them to chop the last apple tree, you will tell your grandchildren, complaining about the enemy Soviet power! I, unlike you, since childhood plowed on family plots, of which there were 4 - for each worker of the state farm they gave out 10 acres per season, without requiring anything for this, and we sold the surplus on the collective farm market called the Green Bazaar, again without paying anything for the trading place! Such as you are idlers, "plowing" in research institutes and waiting for their "plowing" of special gratitude in preferential queues and free apartments and created a howl around our country, blaming everyone and everything for their inertia and inability to do anything even for themselves! By the way, about housing - if they wanted to and you were pressed, you could not sit and wait 20 years, but do the same as I did - I built a house in my incomplete 26 years. A small truth - 8x8, but it was enough for me and my family and it cost me 900 wooden rubles. Please don't answer me - except for whining, baseless accusations and other nonsense, you will not be able to tell me anything new! For you to better understand and not write the next nonsense, I will add that my family is Germans, first resettled to Siberia, and then to Kazakhstan, so I understand much better than you what, how, why and why everything happened. And I know this first-hand, unlike you! I have the honor!hi
              1. astepanov
                astepanov April 21 2020 13: 23 New
                -1
                Quote: businessv
                It is immediately felt that you "plowed" at the research institute! Nonsense that in the days of Khrushch the peasants were squeezed by taxes, forcing them to chop the last apple tree, you will tell your grandchildren, complaining about the enemy Soviet power!

                It means that they pressed you weakly, resettling your German ancestors. As for the quotes with the word "plowed": do you know what cancer is from constant contact with cadmium dust? I know. Do you know who created modern weapons? Not at all like you. You, my friend, are ignorant, and it is not for you to judge the things in which you do not understand him.
                1. businessv
                  businessv April 21 2020 14: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: astepanov
                  You, my friend, are an ignoramus, and it is not for you to judge things in which you do not understand him.

                  Nothing else from you and people like you did not expect! Only a deeply educated person can cheat everyone around, and expose himself as a sufferer. In life, I still, from the time of our last correspondence, know and understand more than you! Good luck in life, sufferer!
        2. Crossbill
          Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 20 New
          +5
          In the Russian VILLAGES there were never churches or temples. The small settlement where the church was called was VILLAGE however ..
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 21 2020 15: 43 New
      -2
      That's right - there is no one to ask, it turns out no one is to blame for how we live. Although it is not true, the authorities are confused to suggest that the West and Ukraine are to blame for all our troubles, and now they have found another enemy - Belarus, have noticed how many anti-Belarusian articles began to appear? What about Lukashenko? They write about him only from negative positions.
      And this is done only for one purpose - to hide the true enemies of the country and the people, to ward off popular anger from the thieves of officials and other powerful people.
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    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 20 2020 15: 41 New
      -24
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      divide and rule .. "Zhidomassonam" do not need a cohesive Russian people. They must play them off, so that it would be easier to steal.

      So far, apart from the Nazi author of these lines, another 3 Nazis supported the voiced abomination, which incidentally humiliates the Russian people, presenting them as a flock of dumb and controlled by someone else’s will. I wonder how much more this thought is close?
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        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi April 20 2020 16: 07 New
          -13
          Quote: Andy
          and what's wrong, aronchik? you allow yourself crimes on the territory of other countries, and that means you should love.

          Let them love you. Let them not touch us.
          1. Andy
            Andy April 20 2020 16: 09 New
            18
            and where do you touch? in Syria, Iran, Russia or Ukraine? everywhere is your blood. Berezovsky -Kolomoysky others like them. so you deserve
            1. musketon64
              musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 04 New
              13
              Someone (like G. Ford) said well: "Isolate the 25 most influential Jewish families and the wars will end."
              1. really
                really April 20 2020 18: 46 New
                +5
                Let's open the wiki and read about G. Ford
                Anti-Semitism and Nazi Support
                In 1918, Ford acquired the Dearborn Independent newspaper, which published anti-Semitic articles on May 22, 1920 [21], as well as in parts the full text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. In November 1920, a selection of articles from the Dearborn Independent was published as a separate book called International Jewry, which was later actively used by Nazi propaganda [22].

                On January 16, 1921, 119 prominent Americans, including 3 presidents, 9 secretaries of state, 1 cardinal, and many other US government and public figures, published an open letter condemning Ford's anti-Semitism. [21] [23]

                In 1927, Ford sent a letter to the American press acknowledging his mistakes [21].
                As a man of honor, I consider it my duty to apologize for all the evil deeds I have committed with respect to the Jews, my fellow citizens and brothers, and I ask them for forgiveness for the harm that I caused them for no good reason. I renounce insulting accusations against them, since there was a lie in my actions, and also I give a full guarantee that from now on they can expect from me only a display of friendship and goodwill. Not to mention the fact that pamphlets that were distributed in the United States and abroad will be withdrawn from circulation.
                Henry Ford provided serious financial support to the NSDAP [24] [25], his portrait hung in Hitler’s Munich residence [26]. Ford was the only American that Hitler admirably mentioned in his book My Struggle [22] [27]. Annette Anthona of the Detroit News interviewed Hitler in 1931 and noted the portrait of Henry Ford on his desk. “I consider Henry Ford to be my inspiration,” Hitler responded about the American automobile magnate [28].

                Since 1940, Ford's factory, located in Poissy on the German-occupied territory of France, began to produce aircraft engines, trucks and cars, entered the arsenal of the Wehrmacht. During interrogation in 1946, the Nazi leader Karl Krauch, who worked during the war years in the leadership of a branch of one of Ford's enterprises in Germany, said that due to the fact that Ford worked with the Nazi regime, “his enterprises were not confiscated” [29].

                The theme of the influence of Ford and his book on German National Socialists was studied by Neil Baldwin in the book “Henry Ford and the Jews: The Hatred Conveyor”. Baldwin points out that Ford's publications were a major source of influence on young Nazis in Germany [30]. A similar opinion is shared by the author of the book “Henry Ford and the Jews” Albert Lee [22].
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Andy
              and where do you touch?

              We just remember everything, although we are silent. But here is a little reminder of WWII times. Can someone remember something?
            3. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 April 20 2020 20: 44 New
              +1
              Enough of banning the Jews! Tired !!! There are criminals, thieves and traitors in any nation. Why do not you remember the Jews who made up the glory of our country in science, culture, art? Why don’t you recall Shklovsky, Lavochkin, Alferov, Ioffe, Landau,, Dunaevsky and many many others? And aren't there among the Russian millionaires Russian Potanin, Prokhorov, Sechin and others? Why are Jews always to blame in Russia? And this despite the fact that the Russians adopted the Jewish faith!
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 20 2020 16: 20 New
        17
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        which by the way degrades primarily the Russian people, presenting them as a dumb and flock driven by someone else’s will.

        Yes, Aron, after the Russian people kept the Jews a couple of hundred years in the Pale of Settlement, you will not envy him. The answer went as the Jews came to power.
        1. Fishery
          Fishery April 21 2020 20: 17 New
          -1
          otvetka is 150 heroes of the Soviet Union of Jews, so after all) just when they need you are a great Russian artist, poet and writer)))) or a hero of the Soviet Union)
      3. businessv
        businessv April 20 2020 23: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        So far, apart from the Nazi author of these lines, 3 more Nazis supported the voiced abomination
        I agree with you only if you are able to name the friends of Russia in the collective west, who want her to unite with her neighbors and strengthen her!
    2. astepanov
      astepanov April 20 2020 20: 02 New
      -10
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      "Zhidomassonam" do not need a united Russian people.

      And what does the fascist National Bolshevik and the varnisher of reality need? We’ll not let history distort, say? Well, do not distort. There was also dispossession, which hit not only the fist, there were reprisals with enormous human losses ... Korolev Sergey Palych remained alive only because he accidentally did not end up on such a drowned barge. Tupolev, Kondratyuk went through the camp hell, the great Vavilov remained there. And there were a great many of them, including the best. Say it wasn’t?
      1. businessv
        businessv April 21 2020 00: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: astepanov
        And there were a great many of them, including the best. Say it wasn’t?

        Of course it was! You are so zealously defending this movie nonsense that I even feel sorry for you! In addition, what you write about was also a bunch of enemies who burned bread and collective farm barns, poisoned cattle, killed government officials and did a lot more! And for clarity, look at the archives and other materials in which you will find the exact numbers of the repressed for all the years of the Union, as well as those destroyed during the repression! Surprise, but the Soviet government destroyed about 800 thousand of its citizens for the entire time of its existence! This is a lot, but for such a huge country, on the territory of which it was necessary to change the whole way of life and lifestyle, to destroy everyone who prevented it, to restore order, not so much that it would cause tantrums, and even 8-episodes!
        1. astepanov
          astepanov April 21 2020 14: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: businessv
          Surprise, but the Soviet government destroyed about 800 thousand of its citizens for the entire time of its existence!
          Yes, 800 thousand were physically destroyed. And millions passed through camps and settlements. And this is only in 1930 and 1931. And how many of them have disappeared in these camps - they themselves are not considered destroyed. It just so happened ...
      2. Crossbill
        Crossbill April 21 2020 09: 26 New
        -1
        The first part of this post is a complete wringing of hands, pathos screaming and demagogy .. The second is lies and distortion ..
  • Van 16
    Van 16 April 20 2020 15: 31 New
    25
    I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 35 New
      28
      Quote: Van 16
      I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.

      How else can modern comprador power survive? How can she justify her existence? The only way is to lie that there used to be darkness for you, because otherwise the question will arise - but if now it has become worse under capitalism, then maybe you need to return to socialism?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 20 2020 15: 50 New
      22
      Quote: Van 16
      I support the author. Including the fact that all this dislike of the Union comes from the very top.

      I think that cheap fakes about the war often come from mediocrity, or from the fact that the directors and actors have experienced little in their real lives. Therefore, what the generation that survived the war gave us is no longer available.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 59 New
        12
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I think that cheap fakes about the war often come from mediocrity, or from the fact that the directors and actors have experienced little in their real lives.

        It also comes from the fact that there is no goal to create a normal film - you just need to master the means, slap some nonsense on your knee and get rid of it, well, fill it with your wretched little ideas ...
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 April 20 2020 15: 32 New
    25
    Roma, why are you surprised? Back in the 90s, they abandoned ideological education at the state level. As they say, nature abhors a vacuum. Who rules in the Ministry of Culture? Creative intelligentsia. It was enough to entice her with European recognition, designate goals and objectives, and that's it, the process started. Ilyich also said that "the intelligentsia is the shit of the nation." Well, and also a well-known little woman: "I am not an intellectual, I have a profession" (c) L. Gumilyov .. That says it all. Well, in another fantastic book it was said "the creative intelligentsia is always inclined towards political prostitution."
    Until at the state level we come to the ideological education of the population, such crap will continue. Therefore, it is only within its framework that one can take for the bells of the frozen-on masters of culture who, in pursuit of the prizes of film festivals, are ready to drive outright anti-Russian products (and they won’t see any other prizes).
    In the meantime, at our top they will chew snot about this, our "bitter friends" and "partners" will lure our cultural workers with carrots and feed them with grants.
    The funny thing is that there are some laws that allow someone to pinch something. Just do not hear about the practice of vening.
    1. astepanov
      astepanov April 20 2020 23: 02 New
      -6
      Quote: ZAV69
      Who drives in the mincult? Creative intelligentsia.

      Right. The proletarians, as the most class-conscious class, must be assigned to cinematography. Preferably with guns. And send all Eisensteins-Averbachs-Babichs and other Bronsteins to felling, so as not to distort the story about the fact that we allegedly had "separate excesses", so as not to slander the God-chosen Emperor and the Bolsheviks.
      Whether you like it or not, many people think that way. And it will not end well. If such "thinkers" are not given a roundabout, then what is happening in Ukraine will seem like a cute trifle compared to what we will have.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 April 21 2020 00: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: astepanov
        Correctly. The proletarians, as the most conscious class, must be put to film-making.

        I don’t know who was targeted in the Soviet Union, but we remember and sometimes revise those films, but we haven’t even watched what we’ve gotten to the end sometimes, especially if they are trying to denounce the bloody Stalinist regime.
  • Xenofont
    Xenofont April 20 2020 15: 36 New
    12
    It makes no sense to talk about this movie-craft, because this order comes from nationally preoccupied "elites". It's just a good spot in the smoldering fire of nationalism on the basis of Putin's refusal to extend Yeltsin's concessions. The entire budget from the owner of the bank AK Bars.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 15: 47 New
      13
      Yes, nichrome it’s not poles on the coals of Tatar nationalism, it’s a tub of water into it.

      Let me explain: Tatar nationalism is a peculiar thing. He is rooted in urban culture, not from Seljuk. And - there are all kinds of cultural figures and thinkers of the century so since 19 - Tatar nationalists love and honor. For read, thoughtfully.

      There is no hatred for their people, which is "wrong" for the most part among Russian nationalists, or, for example, among Ukrainian or Belarusian. He is just right. And even five battalions of the Idel-Ural SS division - they are correct, there is nowhere more correct. Because the first thing, having received weapons, the absolute majority fled to the nearest partisans in companies, or even battalions.

      So now the Tatars will be in the forefront among those who want normal films about that war with the participation of the Tatars. Fortunately, the Tatars have enough of their heroes of that war, and they are the heroes of the Soviet Union.
      1. Xenofont
        Xenofont April 20 2020 15: 50 New
        +6
        I wrote about the "elite" for a reason. From them all the nastiness, as well as from Moscow.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 20 2020 18: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Fortunately, the Tatars have enough of their heroes of that war, and they are the heroes of the Soviet Union.

        And we, too, will never forget them, just as we will not forget everyone who fought against Hitler. And it was the Soviet people.
      3. LKW UE
        LKW UE April 21 2020 04: 11 New
        0
        And even five battalions of the Idel-Ural SS division - they are correct, there is nowhere more correct. Because the first thing, having received weapons, the absolute majority fled to the nearest partisans in companies, or even battalions.

        Well, yes, and their fellow countrymen in Crimea, in large numbers with the approval of the German authorities, created self-defense units in the villages and issued partisans to the Germans, as well as their warehouses and supply points. No wonder Comrade Stalin for the mass betrayal of Soviet power by the Tatars of Crimea exiled them to Siberia!
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 21 2020 10: 34 New
          +3
          The main backbone of Idel-Ural is prisoners from the second shock, the very one. About a third of it was somewhere recruited from the inhabitants of the Volga region.

          Crimean Tatars were not there. They were not taken to Idel-Ural either.

          And, these are not countrymen, and not even tribesmen. Tatars - this is not a nation, this is a slightly different value. Approximately as the Germans, for example, are either Slavs, or Celts, or Finno-Ugrians.

          You are now on the level of bulging ignorance - well, imagine that the Udmurts presented Finnish crimes for Mannerheim during the blockade of Leningrad.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 15: 40 New
    28
    As always, Roman is right. The fierce Russophobia and anti-Soviet Khamatova found the same or the same - that which floats in the hole. This abomination is sponsored by the Ministry of Culture, although for both the article cries for inciting ethnicity. The Kremlin is decomposing. and foul-smelling dung is carried by cockroaches
  • Ramadan
    Ramadan April 20 2020 15: 46 New
    -16
    The article is somehow strange. And flies and cutlets, all on one plate.
  • Kars
    Kars April 20 2020 15: 52 New
    -3
    not up to 70 awarded the Tatars of course. But it would be interesting to cover the siege of Sevostopal where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well so.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov
      Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 15: 59 New
      +6
      A car from Zaporozhye - to begin with, learn the Russian language and everything will light up in your head .. By the way, the Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, but ordinary Turks. What hangover do they call Tatars
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek April 20 2020 16: 12 New
        13
        Oleg, you are fundamentally wrong.
        The Kok-Horde Tatars, from which the Krymchaks (still Nogais, and partly Astrakhanes) originate, are not related to the Turks at all. More precisely, they have about the same as the Poles to the Croats. One ethnic family, yes the same religion. Everything else is the difference.

        The Turks are Ashin, it's about like the Bourbons of the French. Ruling people.

        The Tatars are somewhat more complicated, but - the Crimeans recognized the maximum vassality of the Ports, and even did not pay tribute to her. So, with gifts bought military assistance, the maximum.

        There, even the ruling elites did not mix in marriages.
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 20 2020 19: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
        By the way, Crimean Tatars are not Tatars, but ordinary Turks. What hangover do they call Tatars

        So they call themselves. Kyrym-Tatars ... Now their elite quietly lurked and gritted their teeth ... .. Most ordinary Crimean Tatars work, live. Ordinary, good people .. But the authority of the eldest in the family, popular discipline is great. As a Qatar, the Tatars, the elite will say so, they will .. They will go to the knives if there is a go-ahead ..
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 16: 00 New
      19
      You do not understand the varieties of Tatars, and you are not obliged, but - as if the Tatars - this is not a people, it is a larger quantity. This is the self-name of such a phenomenon as ethno-cultural community. Crimean are Crimean, like Volga - it is Volga. Even the Volga region is divided by region and denomination, and more globally - into Kazan and Misharsky, and even grubs - this is a separate species - are divided into a couple of branches of Kazan, and one - Misharsky. There are still Tatars of Novgorod, there are still Astrakhan and Kasimov, there are still Kashir, Ural (there are a lot of species), Kuznetsk (Shors) - moreover, as a Siberian subspecies. Khakasses, by the way, are also Tatars. There are teppyars. There are Tatars Lithuanian and Finnish. There are even their Tatars as part of the Ural Cossack army, absolute Cossacks in culture and religion, they only speak Tatar, moreover in the Ural dialect. Nagaybaki are called. By the way, at one time with the Russian troops reached Paris, in the forefront.

      In this movie, they spit well into the largest ethnic group. Tatars of Kazan.

      Well, for the example of the actions of Crimean Tatars on the side of the German troops that you described, the Crimeans were repressed, by the way. About this, another Crimean Tatar from Ukraine at the Eurovision Song Contest sang a couple of years ago, for which he won m. Remember, probably, that hype? Well, here it is.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 April 20 2020 16: 17 New
        +2
        Volga Tatars as a part of Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible, Crimea as a part of Russia since the times of Ekatarina 2. The difference is 300 years somewhere. Hence such a different behavior in the Great Patriotic War.
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 20 2020 16: 22 New
          15
          I’ll explain to you.
          When Moscow seriously took up Kazan, there, on the Kazan throne, sat - alternately - either Crimean Girei or Kasimov Ali. The Kasimovites are such a buffer of serving Tatars in the service of Moscow in the Ryazanshchina, but they did not agree to go to Orthodoxy.

          Needless to say, the bulk of the local population equally hated both those and these?

          The Nogai Akrams warmed up this hodgepodge; few people loved them either.

          The people have a long memory, the Krymchaks in Tatarstan still do not like, and do not consider them to be Tatars (the Krymchaks with other Tatar ethnic groups are exactly the same), and the Kasimovites do not particularly protrude, stupidly honor their traditions and culture. So, they have their own view on the history of that period, and their cultural monuments at that time. They are all in Kasimov.
          1. musketon64
            musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 14 New
            +2
            Thanks for the clarification. But it seems like all the Tatars from the Volga Bulgars started to take (that is, Kazan)? Correct if I am wrong.
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek April 20 2020 18: 39 New
              +8
              Which ones?
              If you are talking about the Volga region, then yes and no, there was a conglomerate of tribes, and its self-name was "Bulgarians", it can be traced back to chronicles, and Ivan the Terrible bore the title "Tsar of Bulgaria".

              Bulgars is the self-name of the people from which Vanga, they are written everywhere "Bulgaria".

              Everything is complicated there, and it all began so long before even the Great Migration of Peoples.

              And so, the Tatars - this is the self-name of the majority of the population as much as two of the five uluses that left the sons of Genghis Khan. The Volga Tatars in this regard - at least the Kazan Tatars - are a mixture of the remnants of the conglomerate of the Kama Bulgaria tribes (such a name is historically more reliable), and not even on the lands of the tribe itself, which is the Bulgars. There is the territory of the Baranjar and Esgel.

              After that, a layer of peoples was superimposed, who came from Batu and remained in those parts. A relatively unified material culture was there already by 14-15 centuries (although the degradation of earlier traditions is clearly traced in the countryside), and by the time the Kazan Khanate was created, there was already the collapse of the Golden Horde, and the struggle of local elites, but the people have a self-name - "Tatars".

              And now this is just a seed for everything that started next ...

              But there was still the outcome of the serving Tatars to Moscow after the Islamization of this state, not all of them refused the religion of their fathers and grandfathers. All these Yusupovs, Karamzins, Akhmatovs, and others are from that layer, and this is only a few years later from the Second World War to our own, and also through the Middle Volga ...
              1. musketon64
                musketon64 April 20 2020 18: 55 New
                +1
                But there was still the outcome of the serving Tatars to Moscow after the Islamization of this state, not all of them refused the religion of their fathers and grandfathers. All these Yusupovs, Karamzins, Akhmatovs, and others are from that layer, and this is only a few years later from the Second World War to our own, and also through the Middle Volga ...)))))))))
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                The Islamization of the Bulgars occurred in 920, i.e. long before the outcome of the Yusupovs, Karamzins, etc. According to the annalistic legend, it was from the Great Bulgar that ambassadors came to Prince Vladimir when he chose a new religion, with a proposal to convert to Islam.
                1. AllBiBek
                  AllBiBek April 20 2020 19: 10 New
                  +6
                  And what's this side?
                  Where did the Tatars come from in the 10th century in the Middle Volga?
                  I can tell you a lot about the Islamization of Kama Bulgarians, everything is interesting there too. At that time - 922 - the Esgels, and part of the Bulgars, were Muslims; the Savirs were all Christians of the Nestorian sense, the Baranjars remained until the very last pagans, and the barcels were buried. Although, at the time of the arrival of the evil Mongols, and in an adult way, the latter were isdanized.

                  And so, until 1312 - and this is the introduction of Islam as the state religion in the Juchi Ulus - there somewhere from a quarter to a third of the population are Christians.

                  What can I say, Sartak, son of Batu, Hulagu, Ordu-Ichen, and even Munke, son of Tuli are Christians.

                  Serving Christian Tatars to Moscow did not come to serve from the territory of present Tatarstan, they are mostly more southern. Islamization went along the trade routes, and to the people who feed on them.

                  From the territory of Tatarstan - just those who were eventually settled in Kasimov, and there is also a long and complicated story, cannot be put in one post.
                  1. musketon64
                    musketon64 April 20 2020 19: 44 New
                    0
                    Something you confused me even more. sad

                    "I can tell you a lot about the Islamization of the Kama Bulgarians, everything is also interesting there. At that time - 922 - the Esgels and part of the Bulgars were Muslims; the Savirs were all Nestorian Christians, the Baranjars remained pagans to the last, and the Barsils were Although, by the time of the arrival of the evil Mongols and in an adult way, the latter were Islamized.)))))))
                    ------------------------------------
                    But after all, there was already the Great Bulgarian state of Islamic persuasion from which the ambassadors came. And all the tribes of the other faiths that you have listed are just one of ... It's like in Christianized Russia there were still a lot of pagans from different tribes.
                    Yes, the Tatars were not there yet. But according to another version, some Tatars came with the Mongols, conquered the Bulgarians and assimilated with them. From which the Bulgarians adopted the ethnonym "Tatars". History is full of such examples. Yes, the same Slavic tribes became Russians from the coming and conquest of some Rus from Scandinavia and about which little is known.
                    1. AllBiBek
                      AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 22 New
                      +4
                      Well, firstly, the Islamization of the Volga Bulgaria was of the same nature as the Christianization of Kievan Rus half a century later, the political motive as it is toward the search for external allies, and secondly - and this is understandable without written sources from the field - the process was also not fast, and not painless.

                      At the time of destruction as a state - in general, it was completed, but in a very superficial form.

                      According to the funeral rite is tracked, it is mixed.

                      And so, Christian symbolism there and there.

                      But still a huge Ugric layer in those territories, a third of the population is somewhere. Neither the Bulgars nor the Tatars really imamized these people, and even in the case of the Russians, baptizing in the mind turned out to be a century, only in the 19th century. And one fig just for show.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 20 2020 19: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: musketone64
              But it seems like all the Tatars from the Volga Bulgars started to take (that is, Kazan)? Correct if I am wrong.

              I do not pretend to historical authenticity.
              I served urgently and was in my company "Tatar". So he showed, as proof, his military ID, where the nationality was in the column - Bulgarin.
              According to him, and he heard this from his old people, in the 20-30 years all the Bulgars were recorded in the Tatars. Just like in Ukraine, all Russians were recorded as Ukrainians.
              1. AllBiBek
                AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 14 New
                +3
                Is he from the Volga region? Not from Central Asia? There is a tribe in the Pamir mountains with such a self-designation ...

                The term "Bulgars" in relation to the peoples of the Middle Volga region was introduced in the 19th century. At the end of the century, moreover. And - only in scientific literature. To distinguish from the fact that the "Bulgarians" and on the Danube.

                "Baranjars" as sub'ethnos - there were such, sabirs and savirs - yes. Several villages in total.

                And so, in the 20s of the past Tatars were en masse in the Bashkirs, and according to the geographical principle (within the borders of the north of the Ufa province), but so that someone was forced into Tatars - well, the Teptyars could, or Mishar. But there was no ethnonym "Bulgars" there in those territories.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk April 20 2020 23: 30 New
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                  Quote: AllBiBek
                  Is he from the Volga region?

                  Right Volzhsky Bulgarin. His whole village is Bulgars.
                  = At the same time, a number of Tatar public, political and religious figures of Tatarstan and other regions, being supporters of the Bulgarian-Tatar theory of Tatars ethnogenesis and opponents of the use of the ethnonym "Tatars", insist that the Bulgarian people continue to exist, and actively promote the idea of ​​the Tatars returning to the past self-name (as well as renaming of Tatarstan to Bulgaria [2], Bulgaria [3], or Bulgar Ile [4]). =
                  OI claims that in the beginning Batu defeated the Volga Bulgars, and only then went to Russia.
                  1. AllBiBek
                    AllBiBek April 21 2020 10: 02 New
                    +4
                    Well, the fact that the Mongol princes walked across Russia in passing, but the Volga Bulgaria was so thoroughly rubbed over and with special tenderness so that not a single written source remained from a very rather large state for all several hundred of its existence - this is a fact (I can paint the details a little later ), but with regard to the nationality "Bulgarin" ... It is he, most likely, the far-fetched for what he wanted, the mover in the search for "great and mighty ancestors" - this is the beginning of the 90s, and it ended with the abolition of the column "nationality" in passport. There, not only we had something like that, in Belarus, first the Krivichi appeared, and then the Lithuanians, and in Moldavia, the Romans. The first wave of New Age in the post-Soviet space, the times of loading cans of water from the TV. It ended closer to default, in my student youth this was no longer the case. Although, the last freaks of this kind were still in the early XNUMXs.

                    But this is a kitsch of urban intelligentsia, not rural. Your colleague, as befits a Tatar, had a bunch of rural relatives, grabbed up in the city circle of young pseudo-intellectuals of the ideas of Gayakh Iskhaki and al Bulgari, and trampled on the rural relatives to make him happy, and there he was called upon.

                    The brain, especially in youth, is generally not able to distinguish fictitious from reality, it is very difficult not to self-deceive such a self-perceived truth. This truth is characteristic in that it is very hotly and persistently presented to everyone around, this is a priesthood syndrome, and this is psychology.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth April 20 2020 20: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: AllBiBek
        You don’t understand the varieties of Tatars, and you don’t have to ....

        "Scratch a Russian, you will find a Tatar." wink
        Tatars for Russians, Russians for the West. wink
        Seriously, I’m Russian, always in my life, encountering representatives of other nations, I try to at least take a minimal interest in their culture, their history .... The last new representative of other nations for me was the Bashkirs. Very respected among the neighbors was the people. Even the neighbors resolved conflicts with their help, including the Tatars. wink
        It would be more correct to call the Volga region Bulgars, though the same Bashkirs may be against wink With the Crimean is more difficult.
        I don't watch new films, their bias is too "rotten".
        Quote: AllBiBek
        Let me explain: Tatar nationalism is a peculiar thing.

        What is Russian, what is Tatar, what other nationalism is "one field of a berry".
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        That same Chulan Lokhmatova has ....

        And, Ch. Khamatova also has the "Give Life" foundation. Not everything is black and white.
        Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
        This abomination is sponsored by the Ministry of Culture

        I agree!
        1. AllBiBek
          AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 35 New
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          Oh, the Bashkirs are the bastion that the fifth generation of Tatar nationalists is breaking their teeth about. And as many generations will be broken.

          Initially, since the 19th century, all the dreams of Tatar Nazis torn from reality - and there are them - rest against a chimera called Idel-Ural. A territory that has a border with something other than the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation.

          It goes without saying that all sorts of dissidents dreaming of something like this went into exile back in the 20s. He was there alone, they called Gali Akysh, in the States he dreamed about this before the end of the 90s, and wrote pamphlets. Hitler including, by the way.

          But on the spot, it all rests on the fact that making an analogue of Austria-Hungary or Czechoslovakia out of Tatars and Bashkirs is unrealistic. The Turks - they immediately realized that they were being cut off by two cut-offs in this regard, but the Americans only recently understood. Hillary actively moved this chimera on the ground, all local human rights defenders fed from her hands in both republics.

          But - the language is similar, the religion is one and the same, the culture is 90% similar, and one horseradish has not grown together and does not grow together. The more pathos Kazan celebrates its type of millennium - the more pathos a year later Ufa celebrates the inclusion of the Bashkirs in Russian citizenship, there is also a round date.

          The more success hockey players from Ak Bars have in a season, the more likely they will be to play for Salavat Yulaev in the same roster in a year.

          And so - in everything.

          And the answer is simple. Different nations, despite the similarities. The mentality is different.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth April 20 2020 20: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: AllBiBek
            But - the language is similar, the religion is the same, the culture is 90% similar, and one horseradish has not grown together and does not grow together.

            I didn't dig so deeply. I didn't even think about it. But, by nickname are you also "Tatar"? wink
            There are so many peoples and nationalities in our country! It would be nice for "VO" to have a series of stories about every nation of Russia. A delicate topic, but worthwhile. It would be a good blow to the nationalists. For "FRIENDSHIP OF PEOPLES".
            Quote: AllBiBek
            Oh Bashkirs
            wink
            1. AllBiBek
              AllBiBek April 20 2020 21: 11 New
              +7
              Mom Tatar). Father - from the Kuban Cossacks, with everything attached. So there’s also a quarter of Polish blood, his mother is Polish.

              And in the context of this topic - a historical tower in Tatarstan was obtained, and ten years of archeology - all students and five after - just in the fields where he directly dug all of these Ugrians, Bulgars, Golden Hordes, and Tatars of all kinds. And there, in all possible sources, it was necessary to dig in quite so superficially.

              Hence the knowledge of the topic. Although already forgotten, even google some of the points necessary.

              The Tatars - which is typical, any - absolutely complete reconciliation with their history. Perhaps even cooler than that of the French, for whom the Bourbons and the Bonopartes are awesome! We are not ashamed, and proud.

              It’s the same here: Bulgars? Yes, we are descendants! The Golden Horde? Yes, we are also their descendants, direct, right from Genghis Khan! Kazan Khanate? Well, yes, this is us too! Kazan - because the leader of the Huns drowned the boiler in our muho_sRa_ni? Well, that was the case, and he is also our ancestor! Attila - Forever, Magyars - go to hell.

              And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth April 20 2020 22: 03 New
                +2
                Quote: AllBiBek
                And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.

                This is a good slogan!
              2. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 21 2020 11: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: AllBiBek
                Mom Tatar). Father - from the Kuban Cossacks, with everything attached. So there’s also a quarter of Polish blood, his mother is Polish.

                And in the context of this topic - a historical tower in Tatarstan was obtained, and ten years of archeology - all students and five after - just in the fields where he directly dug all of these Ugrians, Bulgars, Golden Hordes, and Tatars of all kinds. And there, in all possible sources, it was necessary to dig in quite so superficially.

                Hence the knowledge of the topic. Although already forgotten, even google some of the points necessary.

                The Tatars - which is typical, any - absolutely complete reconciliation with their history. Perhaps even cooler than that of the French, for whom the Bourbons and the Bonopartes are awesome! We are not ashamed, and proud.

                It’s the same here: Bulgars? Yes, we are descendants! The Golden Horde? Yes, we are also their descendants, direct, right from Genghis Khan! Kazan Khanate? Well, yes, this is us too! Kazan - because the leader of the Huns drowned the boiler in our muho_sRa_ni? Well, that was the case, and he is also our ancestor! Attila - Forever, Magyars - go to hell.

                And so in everything, and without fanaticism and insanity.

                I read your comments on the article with great interest and learned a lot of interesting things. Thank you hi
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 April 20 2020 20: 50 New
          +6
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          And, Ch. Khamatova also has the "Give Life" foundation. Not everything is black and white.

          Not so simple with this fund. There were huge thefts and crazy salaries to his employees, which, incidentally, were paid from donations, and much more.
    3. Mik13
      Mik13 April 20 2020 16: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: Kars
      not up to 70 awarded the Tatars of course. But it would be interesting to cover the siege of Sevostopal where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well so.

      So these are different Tatars. The Crimean and Kazan only have a common name. And religion in part. And that’s all.

      As for collaborators among the Crimean Tatars, there were. And there were a lot of them. And even dofiga, actually. BUT and Ahmet Khan Sultan - was also ...
      1. victor50
        victor50 April 20 2020 18: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Mik13
        and Ahmet Khan Sultan - was also

        Correctly Amet Khan Sultan. A very worthy man, warrior.
        1. cost
          cost April 21 2020 05: 13 New
          +5
          Amet Khan Sultan. A very worthy man, warrior


          And not just a warrior.
          "Honored Test Pilot of the USSR". Laureate of the "Stalin Prize" in 1949 for first fully automatic air refueling, Stalin Prize "1953 for test of the manned analogue of the KS projectile ("Comet")1958 State Prize for testing the powder cartridge cartridge firing mechanism of the catapult1959 State Prize Award for testing the state of zero gravity in manned vehicles
          During the flight, he mastered about 100 types of aircraft, his flight time was 4237 hours.
          He died on February 1, 1971 while performing a test flight at the Tu-16 flying laboratory, designed to test a new jet engine
    4. Pushkar
      Pushkar April 20 2020 16: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well
      Are you talking about Crimean Tatars? So ethnically these are Turks and have nothing to do with the topic of this article, like the Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks and others.
    5. kotvov
      kotvov April 20 2020 18: 22 New
      +2
      where the Tatars helped the troops of Manstein well,
      And the fact that they were Crimean, nothing?
  • AK1972
    AK1972 April 20 2020 16: 01 New
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    And here's what I paid attention to. The more aggressively these "masterpieces" are advertised, the more disgusting the content of these libels. The more insistently they urge me to watch this shit, the more acutely I understand that viewing this production is contraindicated for me.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 20 2020 16: 11 New
    +2
    Crimean Tatars are a separate ethnic group. And it is simply impossible to "mix" them with Kazan Tatars. Crimean Tatars during WWII is a completely different picture.
    By the way, when they decided to remove Akhmet Khan Sultan's parents from Crimea, they refused. They also warned that the special group would be removed, otherwise they would turn to the Germans.
    A Jew-NKVDist before Beria was a normal phenomenon. Only they sat in offices and did not go to the "action".
    And the rest is in agreement with the author.
    1. Jack sklo
      Jack sklo April 20 2020 20: 47 New
      +3
      You say the Jewish security officers were sitting in their offices and did not go to the rallies? Have you ever heard of Naum Eitingon, of other people of Sudoplatov?
  • tatra
    tatra April 20 2020 16: 11 New
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    One of the "chips" of the information war, which the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe have been waging against other countries and peoples for all 100 years, and the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR against their country and people, the history of their country is the rupture of cause-and-effect relations, who can justify any crime, and any criminals. Here a person committed a crime, and he was sent to prison for this, but if you remove the reason - the commission of a crime, and leave only the investigation - the person was sent to prison, then you can expose this person as "innocently repressed", and those who put him in prison -criminals. It is according to this template that the enemies of the communists who have seized the USSR justify the criminals of the Soviet period, including the enemies of the Soviet power, the kulaks.
    1. 16329
      16329 April 21 2020 14: 05 New
      -1
      The crime of the kulaks was that they were not interested in the collective farm system in the countryside, because they did not want to expropriate their property in favor of collective farms. In principle, this is quite logical, communism in the countryside contradicts the nature of peasant labor, with the appropriation of the products of labor in the private property of the peasant. The Communists considered the peasantry a petty-bourgeois environment and constantly waged war on it (Note that at the time the Bolsheviks came to power, the peasantry constituted the vast majority of the country's population)
      The peasants did not remain in debt and, having settled in the Soviet system, gradually decomposed it from the inside and completely destroyed it.
      By the way, Gorbachev and Yeltsin were just immigrants from the peasantry
      1. tatra
        tatra April 21 2020 14: 25 New
        -1
        Firstly, Gorbachev with his wife, and Yeltsin are descendants of the kulaks. And it is very indicative that they destroyed the USSR.
        Secondly, with all due respect to hard peasant labor, the peasants were selfish. They didn’t hand out food to the starving townspeople in Grazhdanskaya, in the NEP, peasants began to eat much better than before the October Revolution, but began to give less food to the State when they announced collectivization, peasants massively slaughtered cattle so that the Soviet people would not get it.
        1. 16329
          16329 April 21 2020 15: 32 New
          +1
          Actually, then the Soviet people consisted somewhere of 70% of the peasants who slaughtered cattle
          Well, in general, you, in fact, confirmed what was discussed in my comment
          Peasants, by their nature, are anti-communists
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU April 20 2020 16: 17 New
    0
    well said...
  • aglet
    aglet April 20 2020 16: 40 New
    +6
    Quote: Albert1988
    Also, because there is no goal to create a normal film, you just need to master the means

    everything is being done in our country now, only in order to master the means, it is not a matter of doing, but, precisely, to master the means. the result is not important here. funds allocated, allocated, mastered, mastered. what else do you need?
  • Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny
    Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny April 20 2020 16: 42 New
    +7
    Good article. And Chulpan really suffered. Talking lass completely.
    1. 16329
      16329 April 21 2020 15: 06 New
      +3
      Well, don’t do it so rudely, there is also a very big problem here, namely the problem of the so-called “national intelligentsia”
      Russia during the Empire and especially during the USSR paid great attention to the development of national suburbs and, as a consequence, the development of national cultures and national intelligentsia. The names of Kreutzwald, Churlenis, Baltrushaitis, Sibelius, etc., gained wide popularity.
      Then it was this national intelligentsia that began to actively build its national states on the ruins of the Empire, without ceasing to recall the “years of national oppression and forced Russification”
      Soviet time was generally the heyday of the culture of the Union republics (Khachaturian, Kara-Karaeva, Bul Bul, Chingiz Aitmatov, etc.)
      and widespread popularization of their activities in the USSR and abroad
      It should be noted that the national intelligentsia of the Union republics grown by the USSR actively supported all nationalist movements of the perestroika period and took an active part in the construction of new states, cursing the “prison of the peoples of the USSR”
      The national intelligentsia is a very “sensitive” social stratum and now it is necessary to work very carefully and, most importantly, consciously with the Finno-Ugric, Tatar and Yakut intelligentsia, never forgetting that in any, and especially in a critical situation, good memory is poor, and claims are always in stock and prevail
      We often forget about this and don’t attach any importance to us, and then we are surprised at why this all happens.
      At the same time, our “Western partners” never forget about the national intelligentsia of the peoples of Russia and strive to support it, including through targeted financing, invitations to various forums, etc.

      And we need to strive for the development of national cultures not separately, but as components of a multifaceted Russian culture
  • aglet
    aglet April 20 2020 16: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Ramazan
    The article is somehow strange. And flies and cutlets, all on one plate

    but is it difficult to separate one from the other?
  • K-MMuradK
    K-MMuradK April 20 2020 16: 52 New
    +5
    Amet Khan Sultan - father is a native of Dagestan, a national is a Lak. Mother Amet Khan is a Tatar. Muslims have a nationality by father.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 17: 13 New
      +5
      "What difference does it make who the granddaughter's fiancé is by nationality, if only the Tatar is good" © Tatar proverb.

      This I mean that in most ethnic groups - at the discretion of the child. But - the Tatar relatives will make every effort to grow in a pronounced Tatar environment.

      So it is accepted, from time immemorial, by the way.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 20 2020 18: 22 New
      0
      That's just the Hero - the pilot himself considered himself a Crimean Tatar. And in an appeal to the congress he addressed, on behalf of the Tatar people ... So leave your genealogical research to yourself.
      1. AllBiBek
        AllBiBek April 20 2020 18: 43 New
        +7
        He addressed on behalf of the people for whom the verses that are written in the Moabite notebook are holy.

        And if you have not heard about this, and do not know what the Tatars have to do with it, then do not fill the gap in this area of ​​knowledge with pathos.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 20 2020 17: 14 New
    10
    With a sense of true satisfaction, I would ask the entire film crew headed by the producers, as well as the author of "Zuleikha ..." to voluntarily go on an excursion to the Krasnoyarsk taiga to get acquainted with the subject. Three years.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 20 2020 19: 25 New
      +8
      Quote: avia12005
      With a sense of true satisfaction, I would ask the entire film crew headed by the producers, as well as the author of "Zuleikha ..." to voluntarily go on an excursion to the Krasnoyarsk taiga to get acquainted with the subject. Three years.

      I am totally against it. There’s nothing to fuck my taiga.
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 21: 31 New
      +3
      They would have collected authentic material for the scenery there, there are enough Tatar villages.
      But only at the end, all the Siberian Tatars would be outraged by what it was that they mounted everything in the end.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 20 2020 17: 14 New
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    Every year, by May 9, some regular dirty trick is published.
    ... "This is our tradition and we keep it" (c) for almost 30 years .. smile
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 April 20 2020 17: 17 New
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    Quote: sergey32
    He urgently served in the NKVD troops in Siberia as a convoy. I listened and listened, then they were still silent about the repressions. He also spoke of a drowned barge along with the cargo area. And about a colleague who tried to shoot himself with a toe from a rifle when the news came about the arrest of his parents.

    He probably served in the Bender Sonderkommando. I grew up in those places where I was exiled. These exiles lived with me, I saw them. Honestly, I would send many there again with the creators of such pictures. Something in my many relatives (all Siberians and Poles who were exiled in Tsarist times), not a single person was arrested (they lived honestly, honestly worked), only the dead, including for such foolish writers. I had enough for 5 minutes of the film. Shit is excellent. Yes, and play shit. They are far from Mironov, Vysotsky, Nikulin, Shukshin ... They must be sent to the conductor or to the machine - artists from them, like bullet shit.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 20 2020 17: 22 New
    16
    There was a time (crazy and thoughtless!) To throw stones (the past in their own and fathers and grandfathers), and now it's time to reap from the deed.
    And Khamatova used to be pierced sometimes, but now everything just fell into place.
    And most importantly - there are none of ours at the top, there are all strangers to the people of Russia. And their service is alien. And Russian, and Tatars, and others, we have many nationalities.
  • Leo_59
    Leo_59 April 20 2020 17: 23 New
    -6
    It’s clear that Roman didn’t really like the movie. Angry in advance.
    And I, apparently, like others, have not yet watched it ...
    And Zuleikha has not yet opened her eyes;)
    The filmman is clearly mediocre, but those filmed a lot for the last. time.
    But! I can’t say that I don’t believe the screen at all.
    What are there claims ?:
    - filmed pose (from the Kama Sutra!)> the moment of conception required in the plot.
    - rushed? (desperately waving his bare hand!) individual farmer? > And what, could not this be ??
    - grain in bags, according to which, as I guessed beforehand, they would be exposed immediately?
    - a rusty lock on a barge - also like a gun on a wall ..?
    Yes, all the little things that stem from the mediocre level of books and movies.
    And the fact that everything was very tough in these links was true, but it was no secret for a long time.
    And for now, what I did not understand:
    - why did the people at first terribly starve on the banks of the Angara River and
    - why is this all - by Victory Day (although the film was supposed to be released in 2019 - the editing was delayed)
    In 2019, under May 9, saw 5 new films, including the super-western T-34. Well .. - yes, one is worse than the other. But the "living and the dead" are sometimes strong with unnatural party pathos .. I at least understand how and what, but young people ...
    The suggestion is this: impose self-isolation on artists with historical themes and shoot only scientific ones! computer-animated multi-part documentaries such as the History of the Russian State (that is, Soviet), until young people thoroughly learn Soviet history.
    (We only need to find Karamzin - the same, but with Soviet buttons :)
    What !? And budget relief in a crisis. And let the actors work in soap operas and theaters (for now;))
  • prior
    prior April 20 2020 17: 24 New
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    All those involved in the creation of this cinematography, stage by stage in Siberia, so "beloved" by them.
    This is how one should hate one’s country in order to spoil its past.
    Why did these "artists and actors", many former Komsomol members and communists, were silent before, in the Soviet Union ?!
    Civil disagreement leads to civil war.
    Will you run? actresses? Who needs you there? Hoping to be in time?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 20 2020 18: 03 New
    +9
    That's right, but this phrase in the eyebrow itself
    But excuse me, what kind of respect for the people who constantly spit in themselves can we talk about?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 20 2020 18: 12 New
    10
    It's simple, who has power now? The rich.
    How did they create this power, how are they rich? Everything is interconnected. What is the most dangerous thing for them ever? The fact that they will be presented with an account by those whom they robbed then is robbed now and they want to rob endlessly! What authority can really show them the bill? People power! Here is a Tod image that many of their thoughts have not yet squeezed out, they want to destroy.
    All clear. There is nothing to guess here.
    It is high time that the proletariat’s anthem is begun to be played and becomes under the banner ... nothing else can be changed.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 20 2020 18: 29 New
    +9
    I would also like to note ... In the United States during the Great Depression, Hollywood shot COMEDIES and romantic films about a bright tomorrow and love, adventures ... they supported people. And here, when people, especially the elderly, are sitting at home, deprived of normal communication, tense and worried, so here's a very emotionally difficult film about Zuleikha "over the head and on the nerves"! What's this? So that old people get heart attacks and have already lagged behind those in power? Didn't you remind of anything? I'm not talking about this endless advertisement of this "masterpiece", but you can die from the advertisement itself.
    Now about the relationship between people of different nationalities. Yes, every nation has its own heroes and villains. But the people cannot be entirely composed of villains !!! Why don't today's leaders make films about heroes? About the peoples and heroes who stood shoulder to shoulder in difficult times, just as they are now !!! And it is simply amazing that such a channel as RTR, and such an "important program" 60 minutes, rushed to defend this film. Don't be ashamed, gentlemen? Or maybe it's time to turn gentlemen into citizens? Then they will think!
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 19: 18 New
      +1
      I can not agree with everything except that he shot Hollywood during the Depression.

      By the way, in the 90s, in the midst of these very 90s, they also filmed awesome comedies and awesome dramas on the topic of the day. And there even Akhedzhakova played so that tears in her eyes, the same "Promised Heaven".

      Now is not quite such a difficult period, here are filmmakers and slag on an industrial scale and by methods.

      By the way, when the Depression ended, Hollywood also degraded over the same three decades. Then the author’s cinema shot there, and then they intercepted this channel already.

      So, too, nothing is new under the moon, look at American melodramas of the early 50s, and their comedies, even contemporary Americans spit on them, it was so pathetic and tasteless slag.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 20 2020 19: 21 New
        0
        Quote: AllBiBek
        I can not agree with everything except that he shot Hollywood during the Depression.

        So their depression is the 30s. Which ones do you mean?
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 20 2020 18: 52 New
    +6
    Quote: AlexGa
    And why be surprised, modern Russia was born on the ideas of anti-Sovietism.

    Everything is much more serious here! Anti-Sovietism all this liberal liberal trash - this is an occasion, a cover for the opportunity to pour regular slop on Russia, on the Russian people, who are directly associated with the Bolsheviks, with the Soviet regime! Socialism, capitalism, democracy, liberalism ...., the West and their local lovers do not give a damn about these isms! They all have Russia, the Russian people like a bone in their throats!
  • victor50
    victor50 April 20 2020 19: 13 New
    10
    Soviet society was not ideal. And there was a lot in it that still causes fierce controversy, incl. and dispossession. My wife's parents (more likely my grandparents, my parents were still children themselves) were dispossessed and exiled to Kyrgyzstan. The deprived grandfather died in battles on March 5, 1942. The mother of his wife, his daughter, was a patriot of the Union to the marrow of his bones, hated Yeltsin passionately, his wife grew up the same way, an unconditional patriot of the Fatherland. My grandfather - he was considered a middle peasant - also took the horse during the collectivization period and tried to write it down into fists (later he was the chairman of a small collective farm). But after all, in the USSR there were films that raised difficult questions, including about dispossession of kulaks, sometimes they posed more problems with one phrase than modern serials such as penal battles and the film described. And not everything was described only in rainbow colors. Famous comedies raised so many problems, and with their irony about serious issues, omissions, shortcomings made you think. "Garage" is probably very bright in this sense. Why now we are shown only our "downtrodden, unhappy, slave life", which for some reason we have not seen, under the control of the NKVDs, KGB officers, etc. Why is they only shown an abomination both in design and in execution? Apparently because to justify the current miserable state of the state, the insignificance of the elites, it is possible only by denigrating the Soviet past. Yes, you can still compare, when the arguments run out, with the 90s. laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 20 2020 19: 24 New
      12
      Quote: victor50
      Why now we are shown only our "downtrodden, unhappy, slave life"

      And in order not to even dream of restoring the USSR, and children with grandchildren were not punished to restore socialism.
  • intuzazist
    intuzazist April 20 2020 19: 13 New
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    Bellissimo !!! Many sentences are direct with my thoughts allied !!!! DECKED creatures obsess * all Soviet and Russian !!! Americans did not make a single film about the humiliation of blacks and the genocide of the Indians !!!! Only all razhins are defeated and in the final they wave the flag !!!!!! And we all pour shit ....
    And our filmmakers would be better off making a historical film about the occupation by the Ameans and Japanese of the Far East !!! And the British, who were economic in Murmansk, were not forgotten! And no matter how gorgeous the movie-goer would have turned out, about the exploits of the white-cows on the trans-sky !!!! And more details ... ... ..
    1. victor50
      victor50 April 20 2020 20: 10 New
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      Quote: intuzazist
      And no matter how gorgeous the movie-goer would have turned out, about the exploits of the white-cows on the trans-sky !!!! And more details ... ... ..

      Well, you went too far wink The film "Admiral" was filmed and often shown about this laughing What do you want, about the exploits of the white whales! laughing Well they fought with the Soviet Republic!
    2. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 20: 53 New
      +5
      Excuse me, but in my opinion now all of Hollywood is only committed to apologizing to blacks - indirectly - in every film, stuffing them everywhere. Yes, and not only Hollywood, what Netflix is ​​worth, you can’t even see anything about Antiquity, so that without Negroes any minor.

      But.

      At the same time, they did not remove blacks for most of the last century, even as extras. The guilt complex is playing.

      Ours take everything from them, but it’s bad with us blacks.

      So they are trying to find an analogue in which their achievements will be fired.

      While it turns out so-so, it did not work out of the Tatars, even through the fact that Chulpan Khamatov was being fucked in the frame for the whole country.

      But it would not work, even if Alina Kabaeva were in her place. Well, it’s not the Negro Tatars either externally or a role in the history of Russia.

      But somehow I am not opposed to the Clinton clan losing money further, directly or indirectly sponsoring and pushing this nonsense on the territory of the Russian Federation. And without them and their connections and developments, it could not do here, could not do.
  • Amper
    Amper April 20 2020 19: 44 New
    +6
    Throwing mud at the Land of Soviets is one of the goals of a modern state, especially since mud is its main production, without restrictions, there is no other way. Yes, there was everything and terror, and blood, and bribes, and lack of jurisdiction. As well as now, the scale is only different and the achievements ... And as modern "art" and TV require a special stigma - it is dangerous to use!
  • Amper
    Amper April 20 2020 19: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: Svarog
    Correctly the fish rots from the head ..

    And which of the ministers is engaged in Sovietophobia, and when did Putin engage in Sovietophobia? Give examples.

    He personally, everyday and even cannot sleep, especially remembering how he was asked from the GDR agents for unsuitability for a professional. Since then, a bad guy and conceived a betrayal ...
  • Amper
    Amper April 20 2020 19: 54 New
    +4
    Power is to the people!
  • primaala
    primaala April 20 2020 21: 19 New
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    Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?
    ========================
    Why is there such a topic title ??? (I consider it an insult).
    First: the Tatars have long been Russified into the Slavs. Millions of families are married. The generation has long been confused. What I cannot say, with the Caucasus and terry "Islam".
    The novel itself is written by Grandma. Grandmother told grandmother ... etc. And if such a young author of the novel, then she shoveled a lot of documents. I think ... she was allowed to enter the archive.
    If we take the plot of the series, then of course there is something to discuss. The same image of Ignatov. He almost immediately understood - for WHOM they were dispossessed !? for "donuts" of ENKEWEDE employees !? Tough romance and TV series.
    The cast is up to par.
    1. AllBiBek
      AllBiBek April 20 2020 21: 37 New
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      Sorry, but I know the authors of such a stroke, and what documents and how they are shoveling. Like Novodvorskaya and others like her.
      She didn’t spend a day in the archives, stupidly composed what she gives out, like what she heard from her dead grandmothers.
      It is based on the Solzhenitsin-Alekseyech method, as I call it.
      Namely, not even the inability and unwillingness to work with primary sources, but writing in a self-righteous manner and giving this self-righteous truth to the truth.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio April 20 2020 22: 19 New
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      Quote: primaala
      Military movie fan. Why am I obligated to hate the Tatars?
      ========================
      The cast is up to par.

      ===
      ? and how old was the heroine in the novel., and how many hamatovoy
  • il-z
    il-z April 20 2020 21: 27 New
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    Something popular today.
    https://jpgazeta.ru/zulejhe-podnimayut-veki-ob-odnoj-rusofobskoj-pustyshke/

    https://jpgazeta.ru/istoriya-odnoj-provokaczii-tatarskie-pretenzii-k-zulejhe-hamatovoj/?utm_source=politobzor.net

    Especially amusing (from the article on the second link):
    Do you hear these names and surnames? You don’t recognize anything familiar - well, at least flashed periodically in the news? Well, here's a tip:

    Talgat Tajuddin - Supreme Mufti of the Russian Federation;

    Ravil Gainutdin - Chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Russian Federation;

    Shigabutdin Marjani - the largest Tatar theologian of the XIX century, Muhtasib Kazan, imam of the first Kazan mosque;

    Umar Idrisov - the first chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Nizhny Novgorod region;

    Zhafyar Ponchaev - former chairman of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of St. Petersburg;

    Gabdesalyam Gabdrakhimov - a prominent Orenburg mufti of the XIX century;

    Muhamedyar Sultanov is also a prominent Orenburg mufti of the XNUMXth century.

    The creators of the series endowed the prisoners with the names of prominent spiritual figures of the past and the present, and moreover, that they are absolutely not climbing into any gates, some of them are still alive! You know, even from the Americans, even from Ecuadorians, it’s hard to expect that when shooting a “film about the Gulag” they would make a roll call with “Kirill Gundyaev, Alexy Ridiger, Serafim Sarovsky and Konstantin Pobedonostsev”. And then "their" fussed! Apparently, they decided that no one in Russia is aware of who Talgat Tajuddin and Ravil Gainutdin are.

    But here is a surprise - there were such experts! Among them was, for example, the mufti of Moscow, Albir Krganov, who wrote an open letter to the government of the Russian Federation. Interestingly, Ramzan Akhmatovich will connect?

    The team of the series realized the full extent of the failure and did not find anything better than making excuses: “The props for creating this scene simply searched for popular Tatar names.” Props artists wrote the script !!! The guys have a great sense of humor, and it seems that they were repeatedly delayed in their salaries ... Okay, what if Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Mohamad Abdul Rahman al-Mawli al-Salbi appeared there? The names are “Muslim”, “People shatters” ... True, then the FSB will come. If someone does not understand, these are the leaders of the very Forbidden State.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 20 2020 21: 38 New
    +6
    “The slave consciousness that the Soviet government has been planting for so long is a post-traumatic syndrome that needs to be cured and forgotten.”
    How familiar everything is. laughing
    It seems that our "creative" beau monde was chased through the cartoon in the Yeltsin center, and there is a zombie-emitter, which "heals" the brain with subsequent clearing of unnecessary parts of memory.
    Galoshes! Galoshes! Only galoshes were made in the USSR!
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard April 20 2020 22: 01 New
    +7
    Thanks to Roman Skomorokhov for this article. hi I was waiting for someone to dare to describe this "picture". Here is my grandfather, the son of enemies of the people, volunteered for "Finnish" and almost from the first days fought in the Great Patriotic War, returned disabled ... I am enraged by such "film masterpieces". Apparently we are very different with people like Chulpan Khamatova.
    1. primaala
      primaala April 20 2020 22: 34 New
      -8
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Thanks to Roman Skomorokhov for this article. hi I was waiting for someone to dare to describe this "picture". Here is my grandfather, the son of enemies of the people, volunteered for "Finnish" and almost from the first days fought in the Great Patriotic War, returned disabled ... I am enraged by such "film masterpieces". Apparently we are very different with people like Chulpan Khamatova.

      What exactly did NOT like in the image of Khamatova ??? As far as I know the reviews (about the series on other resources) Chulpan write (in instances) it is the TATARs unpleasant reviews about the role.
      As for me ... I can assume that I was confused by a certain audience of the Tatar audience.
      It is shown that women were humiliated in Tatar families.
      - It was the Tatars who worked for the family.
      - it was Tatar women who suffered beating from Tatar "kulaks". etc
      So what is the scriptwriter wrong, and the author of the novel ???
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 20 2020 22: 41 New
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        Quote: primaala
        What exactly did NOT like in the image of Khamatova ???

        ZULEIKHA OPENS EYES

        Next week on the channel "Russia 1" there will be a series based on the book of the same name by Guzeli Yakhina "Zuleikha Opens Her Eyes". I must say that you watch a rare modern film with pleasure and even less often there is a desire to revise something again. However, there are also quite clinical cases when you don't want to watch the series at all. The film "Zuleikha Opens Her Eyes" belongs to the latter category and, apparently, is intended to "open" our eyes to our history, presenting it, according to the old tradition of liberals and other anti-Sovietists, as a hopeless hell.

        This is probably why she is known for her friendship with Memorial and Khodorkovsky, as well as for the craving for falsification of Russian history, Lyudmila Ulitskaya, wrote the following review:

        "The novel" Zuleikha opens her eyes "is a great debut <...> And it remains a mystery to me how the young author managed to create such a powerful work that glorifies love and tenderness in hell ..."

        Ulitskaya gained wide popularity after the scandal that happened in the Moscow House of Cinema. Lyudmila Evgenievna that day came to honor the winners of the competition of historical research works, established by the foreign agent "Memorial", but at the entrance to the building she was doused with brilliant green.

        https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2748458

        Of course, zelenka is superfluous, however, a certain share of guilt lies with Ulitskaya herself, who is working too hard on the field of anti-Sovietism, and even calls modern Russia “the country of barbarians”.

        https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/novosti/7240911

        However, not only Ulitskaya appreciated the anti-Soviet creation of Guzely Yakhina. For the novel “Zuleikha opens her eyes”, Yakhina was awarded the following honors: Prize “Yasnaya Polyana”, jointly established with the transnational company Samsung Electronics; The Big Book Prize, affiliated with Vickselberg and Abramovich; as well as the Reader’s Prize, among the founders of which we see the London PEN Club (an international human rights NGO).

        Thus, the anti-Soviet creation of Guzel Yakhina liked the Russophobes, foreign agents and transnational corporations. Only the patriotic public was indignant and, it must be said, not only Russian - for example, the Tatar public figure and playwright Rabit Batulla opposed Yakhin as a Tatar writer, accusing her of a false description of Tatar life and traditions, and even disrespect for everything Tatar to the people.

        Incomprehensible in this story are only the actions of the leadership of the TV channel "Russia 1". It seems to everyone that on the eve of May 9 the main line of the information war against Russia unfolds around the Great Victory Day. And suddenly, an anti-Soviet film appears on the state channel glorifying, in the words of Ulitskaya, “love and tenderness in hell” (in the USSR, that is) !? What does it mean?

        After all, a demonstration on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the anti-Soviet film is either a deliberate help to foreign intelligence services in the information war against Russia, or evidence of hatred of the history of our country, and perhaps the presence of mental deviations:

        “If a person tries to rewrite the history of his own life, thinks in logic“ at that time I was not me ”, then one can suspect that he has serious psychological problems. This also applies to attempts to rewrite the history of the country, to draw artificial watersheds, to pretend that the history of an entire nation can be started from scratch.

        The history of Russia is continuous, and each subsequent epoch is the direct successor of the previous era. If a person falls out of a continuous cultural-historical continuum, then he falls into a potentially dangerous situation, risks becoming a marginal, permanently losing himself, ”said Alexander Neveev, candidate of psychological sciences and sectologist.

        Whether the leadership of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company and “Russia 1” have mental problems or not is not known for certain, however, questions to Dobrodeev and Zlatopolsky remain in any case.
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  • seacap
    seacap April 20 2020 22: 05 New
    +4
    And then we wonder why everyone in the west haunts Russia so amicably and where does such a wave of Russophobia come from, why they suddenly began to demolish monuments, because we all started with ourselves and with our own hands, in the west we shrugged our shoulders and decided why not ? Everyone treats us as we ourselves deserve and how we represent ourselves, as traitors and morons, greedy and immoral. If you look from the outside, how you can relate to people who, with their own hands, without any external aggression, betrayed their ideals, all the conquests and merits of their great ancestors, destroyed their country - the greatest world power at that time, moreover, recklessly and with enthusiasm, to ridicule all over the world. In addition, they put it up for auction on the cheap, or even for nothing, organizing a plunder unprecedented in the history of mankind, restoring and strengthening the economies of hostile powers at their own expense. How can you look at people who pour slop over their entire history, and humiliate their heroes, and all this is encouraged and cultivated by the "upper" ruling boyar class, who believe that by humiliating their people, despising their country, they exalt themselves, making their persona more significant, without even realizing that this leads to the opposite result. Our people have a great history, the people are not vindictive, they just have a good memory and they have someone and with whom to compare during our thousand-year history, we have seen everything.
    1. primaala
      primaala April 20 2020 22: 51 New
      -6
      And then we wonder why everyone in Russia is so united in the West and where such a wave of Russophobia comes from, why monuments suddenly began to be demolished, because we all started it ourselves and with our own hands
      ================
      BY WHOSE "hands" ??? Who stood at the NKVD detachment ??? Why are the Russians accused ???
      The Russians, the entire intelligentsia, were destroyed in 1917 and continued until 1953.
      If you write, then write more specifically.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... April 27 2020 10: 20 New
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        And give the definition of an intellectual!
        Right, yes, and all?
        Just the same for no reason?
        Have you ever read one criminal case of that time? Well, open process materials at least. And such with the presence of foreign presses were also.
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  • Radikal
    Radikal April 20 2020 22: 20 New
    +7
    We have something there mumbling with the lips of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the fact that our monuments are demolished abroad ... Without much success, however, like everything performed by our authorities.
    Therefore, they demolish it, because they see perfectly well that the authorities themselves stimulate the blackening of their own history, apparently believing that against this background, what they created will look "white and fluffy. However, it will not work." sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 20 2020 22: 44 New
    +3
    N. Yurenev gave a curious and correct assessment of this "movie" to Publitsist.ru sad
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/107999/35648/-
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  • Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK April 20 2020 23: 11 New
    +3
    The late mother told me. She and her mother, grandmother and grandfather lived under the Germans (Gorodische village, Chernukhinsky district, Poltava region). An officer of the Wehrmacht with a batman lived in their house - so quiet, cultured, well-groomed. He never raised his voice, to The locals were neutral. Once drunk Zoldaten surrounded the plum growing in the yard. The officer drove them out of the yard in two words (my mother even remembered "veg" and "Schweine"). In the evening, the headman brought a bowl of sugar from the kitchen, said the officer ordered.
    The second case. We were waiting for ours. The front part came, we spent the night in the house, like, fines. After their departure, my mother’s little coat disappeared, which my grandfather exchanged for food
    Why did I write this? To the fact that he should adore the "Wehrmacht" and hate the Red Army? Two special cases in the bloody whirlpool of war ...
    "Our actors are exactly like stars: the older generation are red giants, the new one is blue dwarfs."
  • seacap
    seacap April 20 2020 23: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: primaala
    If you write, then write more specifically.

    You seem to have had little contact with foreigners, and so, they consider and call everyone in the post-Soviet space Russians, they sincerely do not understand what is the difference between a Belarusian or a Ukrainian, a Dagestani, a Tatar and a Russian, this is the first thing. Second, how do you feel about our "independent non-brothers", whose hands and feet they "jumped" all problems, although they do not think so, we are to blame for all their troubles, so we ourselves look the same for foreigners, this is us betrayed their allies in Europe and the same Cuba, it was we who "pushed" Central Asia and Transcaucasia out of the "home", in spite of their plea, weren't we and the same people like us who rode at the "White House" along with the non-drunk " foreman "on a tank, and then ran to watch him shoot the last elected parliament. So there is no need to be hypocritical and to be a prude, in our degrading society it is impossible to remain in white gloves, even if we have been sitting at home all the time and did not go to imitation elections. Yes, and less Solzhenitsyn and so on. Read, the psyche will be stronger, and there will be less stupidity. And thirdly, in general, the article is discussed here, and not the opinions of those who leave comments, tb. trying to communicate with a stranger in a similar tone.
  • seacap
    seacap April 20 2020 23: 55 New
    +9
    Quote: Cer59
    The truth that Simonov laid bare in The Living and the Dead !!!

    They also forgot "Come and See", which I think must be shown at school every year so that it gets through to the genetic level.
    1. Serwid
      Serwid April 21 2020 01: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: seacap
      They also forgot "Come and See", which I think must be shown at school every year so that it gets through to the genetic level.

      I watched as a schoolboy. But to reconsider the spirit is not enough.
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... April 27 2020 10: 23 New
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      Right Only IMHO, once for a lifetime is enough. SMotrel in the late 80s also in the cinema.
  • Ivanushka
    Ivanushka April 21 2020 00: 41 New
    +5
    It is not clear what kind of freedom was lacking in khamatova if she did not even have time to finish school under the USSR? She is a prostitute, that's all. Where the loot, there she is. What power are she and the actors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEax2X7hoE
  • Andrey Chelyabinsk
    Andrey Chelyabinsk April 21 2020 03: 04 New
    -11
    Please tell me, dear author. And why "denigrating history" or "denigrating the past" is certainly and only "to denigrate the USSR"? Is it allowed to denigrate the Russian Empire, which was what Soviet propaganda did for 70 years? Is the Russian Empire not ours, not the Russian state?
    RI was a much more humane state than the USSR. All the Bolsheviks lived abroad, and if they were in exile, they fled like hares, gendarmes clapped their ears like suckers, imprisoned hard labor - seeds compared to the Soviet concentration camps, count the death penalty on the fingers.
    The USSR existed 70 years, and Holy Russia - a thousand years.
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    4. Fishery
      Fishery April 21 2020 21: 33 New
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      But was the state of Holy Russia)? or which of the Rus you mean)? which version do you like the Novgorod, Kiev or Moscow version, or the Galicia-Volyn principality.
    5. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... April 27 2020 10: 31 New
      -1
      It's funny about humanity. Have you already forgotten about the scam of the tsarist elite with the abolition of serfdom? At least General Kuropatkin would be revered by the "Russian Army". And then in the Empire there was a tradition to arrange hunger every year. And you are certainly not of blue blood. And you, as a lover of the empire and especially the navy, will be pleased to know that the RIF in its wars from the Crimean War to WWI destroyed significantly less pennants and tonnage than the RKKF in its own, despite all its monstrous jambs.
  • Andrey Chelyabinsk
    Andrey Chelyabinsk April 21 2020 03: 05 New
    -12
    I haven't watched the series yet, but I read the reviews. As for the claims of the communists - to hell, the USSR would not be the best time in Russian history. The communists also denigrated the Russian Empire, including as a "prison of peoples" and got away with it.

    Claims of Tatar nationalists and pan-Turkists (not only Kazan Tatars howled in social networks, but also Crimean, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, and even hell-who), I will say this: nothing to howl, the Bolsheviks dismissed you, you would not have been spoiled by the tsar.

    The criminal Leninist policy of indigenization, Russophobia of the burry half-Kalmyk - half-Jew, infringement of Russians and the promotion of nationalism of non-indigenous peoples - have led to today's national problems: the banderization of Ukraine, the Turkic center of the Tatars, cave nationalism and Nazism of different non-Russians and Russians.

    Because of this, the USSR collapsed and Russia could fall apart.

    Stalin tried to correct the situation by radical methods, but did not succeed. Moreover, a radical solution to national issues is also bad.

    The Russian tsars, meanwhile, carried out a competent policy of gradual Russification of the population of the empire, using not only the carrot but also the carrot.

    However, the Bolsheviks stole it all. Now we disentangle this Leninist-Trotskyist jelly.

    The series will certainly watch.
    1. Yury Siritsky
      Yury Siritsky April 21 2020 12: 48 New
      -1
      Go and see, maybe you’ll be smarter.
    2. tatra
      tatra April 21 2020 22: 29 New
      -4
      YOU, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, raging against the USSR, are NOT capable of proving that the Russian Empire, or your evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic "independence" on the territory of the USSR you captured, is better for your country and people. By this alone, you have proved that you are all fierce enemies of your country and people, there are no patriots or even nationalists among you, but only racists.
      And you ALWAYS cowardly blame the Bolsheviks-Communists for the responsibility for what you yourself did during the Soviet period and after the capture of the USSR, which you yourself admit is your crime.
    3. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... April 27 2020 10: 33 New
      -1
      The USSR would not be the best time in Russian history.


      Well no. Soviet time is undoubtedly the best time in the history of the Russian state.
  • Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych April 21 2020 05: 03 New
    +7
    I call her "naughty" ...)) I hope they won't be banned, just scold)
  • alex vlad
    alex vlad April 21 2020 05: 09 New
    +8
    Against the background of Western hysteria and Russophobia, the appearance of this "miracle" on the central Russian channel seemed more than strange to me. To shoot and show a film that tarnishes the history of your own country and people - what are you doing there? I would like to ask - are you guys normal in general?
    1. Kapral Alphych
      Kapral Alphych April 21 2020 09: 14 New
      +3
      Or at least showed then the bright sides, so that people can independently decide what was more, what less! But no, they can only cheat everything.
  • Andrey the Magnificent
    Andrey the Magnificent April 21 2020 06: 22 New
    +5
    I completely agree with the author of the article!
    Why not show “How steel was tempered”! ??
    In Russia 1! ??