Coronavirus: so the fight or still half measures


In the Moscow metro - thousands of queues due to access control, but alone in a deserted park can be fined. The "stars" of show business call for self-isolation, but they themselves do not leave television. As a result, measures against a pandemic raise more and more questions.


Almost all countries of the world are engaged in the fight against coronavirus today, while experts and analysts, meanwhile, are discussing what humanity will do today, how it will live after a pandemic, and how this mysterious disease has spread across the planet. For example, American intelligence, as it turned out, back in November 2019, warned the NATO countries and Israel about the spread of the coronavirus, although China officially started talking about the epidemic only at the very end of December 2019.

By the way, in Russia in the fall of 2019 in many regions there was an increase in cases of viral pneumonia (which is concealed, and the author of these lines suffered from pneumonia just at that time, and many friends and neighbors were ill in the fall) –Winter). So, it is likely that the virus began to spread in 2019, but only now governments have paid attention to it. At the same time, the official point of view of the US military department remains the same: SARS-CoV-2 has a natural origin.

In almost all regions of Russia, a self-isolation regime has been introduced. The authorities claim that self-isolation is one of the most effective ways to prevent a further increase in the number of cases. In a certain sense, this is true, but only if it is real self-isolation, and not selective, when in the same Moscow millions of people continue to work and go to work.

But take any average city and what do we see? Due to the reduction of buses on routes, public transport is crowded, at stops - queues (you can not even mention the passage system in the Moscow metro). It is much easier to get on the bus or in the queue than during a walk in the park or, horror, trips with family members with whom you already live under the same roof, to the country house - to barbecue.

Patrolmen check hundreds of people every day, touching their documents (albeit with gloves - or does the virus die immediately with gloves? ..), approaching them closer to the established social distance. And it would be okay to approach the apparently idly staggering groups of citizens, but they did stop lonely passers-by going to the store. What is the point if the same policeman can act as a carrier of the disease?


It is unlikely that such measures really hinder the spread of coronavirus. In addition, as expected, the authorities with pleasure introduced police measures, but practically did not provide the population with real social support.

It is not surprising that the population as a whole perceived the regime of self-isolation rather negatively, especially when it became clear that the "non-working week", which Vladimir Putin spoke about at the end of March, was indispensable. It is no coincidence that the president of neighboring Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, when asked about the introduction of a self-isolation regime, answered directly:

What will we eat?

No wonder the measures taken by the Russian leadership are called half measures. Self-isolation, assistance to low-income families with three children and Moscow unemployed are, of course, positive undertakings.

But I must admit that the cons outweigh the pros:

- the issue of social support for wider categories of the population has not been resolved;
- The federal government dropped responsibility on the governors;
- on the ground, the organization of sanitary and epidemiological measures is lame;
- a severe blow was inflicted on small and medium-sized businesses, he has no real help;
- The media and social networks contribute to the growth of panic and decadent moods, and increase hysteria.

By the way, society is now divided into ardent supporters and opponents of self-isolation. Some urge almost to jail those who went outside, others accuse the government of almost fascism and talk about a conspiracy of world elites. And today, perhaps, no one can give an answer to the question of how to get out of the current situation and overcome its consequences.

If you believe the official statistics, Russia has come to one of the first places in terms of growth in the number of detected cases of COVID-19 per day - over 4 thousand cases per day. For comparison, the United States - 3674, Germany - 1566, Spain - 2132, South Korea - 22.

But it is difficult to deny that this pandemic will change the world, in a sense, “resetting” both the economic system and political relations, and, more importantly, the social and sociocultural foundations of modern man’s life. The atomization of modern society will become even greater, entire spheres of activity are rapidly digitalizing, control over each person will intensify - and this is only the first thing we can assume.
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  1. knn54 April 17 2020 13: 46 New
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    The authorities washed their hands. Self-isolation, by definition, is voluntary.
    1. paul3390 April 17 2020 14: 01 New
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      I wonder if anyone will remember the native government like optimizing medicine in recent years. Ditching the effective Soviet system in FIG? In particular, to the Russian version of Doctor Death - Madame Arbidol? And now it begins - there are no beds, no doctors, no nurses, no masks - and those in the country are rolling around ..
      1. bandabas April 17 2020 14: 28 New
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        So, Ms. Golikova feels rather well in her new post. Like Ms. Skvortsova. I recall an old joke- "And these people forbid me to pick my finger in my nose ...". It remains for this company to add a “doctor" to Malyshev. There will be a full set.
      2. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 33 New
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        Quote: paul3390
        will anyone remember the native government

        have you yet strengthened the desire to personally come to the polling station?
        1. 210ox April 17 2020 16: 43 New
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          Their polling stations are not interested. Riding off the couch is hard. At least in order to spoil this filkin diploma.
        2. Kronos April 17 2020 17: 05 New
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          Yes, of course, how everyone will come and elect Zyugonava or Platoshkin, who will say socialism, we will return and oligarchs such and of course we went from here
      3. Svarog April 17 2020 14: 37 New
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        Quote: paul3390
        I wonder if anyone will remember the native government like optimizing medicine in recent years. Ditching the effective Soviet system in FIG? In particular, to the Russian version of Doctor Death - Madame Arbidol? And now it begins - there are no beds, no doctors, no nurses, no masks - and those in the country are rolling around ..

        But everyone in their places continues to imitate violent activity ..
        1. Evgtan April 17 2020 17: 46 New
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          Saltykov - Shchedrin history of the city of Glupov (Organchik), everything is described there about our local authority
      4. Overlock April 17 2020 16: 54 New
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        Quote: paul3390
        Doctors Death - Madame Arbidol?

        she now has a different nickname! From the expanses of the web ...
    2. Lannan Shi April 17 2020 14: 19 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The authorities washed their hands.

      The authorities did not wash their hands unfortunately. A simple hand wash, that is, complete inaction, would be many times better. The problem is that the actions of the authorities only worsen the situation.
      1. Odysseus April 17 2020 14: 53 New
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        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The problem is that the actions of the authorities only worsen the situation.

        That's right ... about what needs to be done. Otherwise we all criticize. In my opinion, you need
        1) Demand from the authorities finally tell the truth - is there an epidemic in general, how dangerous is it, and what are our countermeasures? etc. If it is really very dangerous, then
        2) We need to stop this brothel and the feudal liberty and begin to act according to law .
        Where it is necessary to declare an emergency, if necessary, emergency. Expand the capacity of the Ministry of Emergencies (which we simply disappeared), and the army. Restrict the movement of citizens legally. Close finally construction sites.
        3) If it is not so dangerous, or its danger is less than the danger of economic problems with a full-scale struggle against it, then again you need to end this brothel with "self-isolation" and give people the opportunity to work quietly, while paying normal benefits to all older people and ensuring their food delivery, so that they sit still at home.
        1. Old partisan April 17 2020 15: 13 New
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          You still say, and in the requirements write the change of government of the president and the thought to disperse.
          Straight on the sacred attempt.
          1. Overlock April 17 2020 16: 56 New
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            Quote: Old Partisan
            You still say, and in the requirements write the change of government of the president and the thought to disperse.
            Straight on the sacred attempt.

            this is an attempt to overthrow the power request
        2. Digital error April 17 2020 15: 26 New
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          Quote: Odyssey
          In my opinion, you need

          Plus you "plus". However, I will express doubts - "not only everything" is ready for the truth. Do we have a lot of people with critical thinking? The older generation through one head "washed" by propaganda. The younger ones are busy with families / work, they are not up to the truth, every ruble is counted. For me, young people, with rare exceptions, do not have this property at all - not only Soviet medicine, but also Soviet education is "optimized" (now there will be a breakthrough in the "distance" - is it better?), It’s easier to manage uneducated people. Suppose we have learned all the truth - and what shall we do with it? One thing is for sure - the government has not yet managed to cope with the non-trivial task, and it bears fair electoral costs. For an effective fight against the 125th column in the face of an epidemic, the police and the Russian Guard alone are not enough, but you can’t count on the understanding of citizens after the "oil", "pension" and other maneuvers, but what an ambush ...
          1. Old partisan April 17 2020 18: 16 New
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            Just for the older generation, I can say this
            From 65 to the limit, this layer, say, with mental and gerontological problems. These are just those for which the gdp light in the window is the best possible.
            From about 40 to 65, this is the most active group of people (excuse me here for 95% of men, women are inherently passive with the slogan that there would only be no war. And this leads the government stupidly) This group saw and lived under the best rulers and times . And most importantly, this group has no future from the word Absolutely.
            From 30 to 40 this jelly as if it did not sound offensive.
            Absolutely loaned. And most importantly, they do not understand the situation in which they drove themselves.
            And finally, until 30 ...
            They are either trying to lead people like Navalny and co. Which do not even have a direction of movement. Jump to scream to create a wave.
            These are the observations.
            Regards Old Partizan.
            1. Altona April 18 2020 09: 34 New
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              Quote: Old Partisan
              From about 40 to 65, this is the most active group of people (excuse me here for 95% of men, women are inherently passive with the slogan that there would only be no war. And this leads the government stupidly) This group saw and lived under the best rulers and times . And most importantly, this group has no future from the word Absolutely.

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              I agree with you. You are well formulated. I found another 13 years of Brezhnev’s reign, and although there were no special personal complaints against Leonid Ilyich, I felt tired of the impending negative phenomena-blat with the right people, empty reporting and formalism, constant praise and magnificent congresses, clamping opinions to please the authorities. Nevertheless, the social system still worked for the society — public consumption funds and social infrastructure. Today, all this has taken ugly forms and is completely privatized.
        3. lis-ik April 17 2020 17: 36 New
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          1) Require the authorities to finally tell the truth - is this an epidemic in general, how dangerous is it, what are our countermeasures? etc. If it is really very dangerous, then

          They will not tell the truth, because:
          1. There is no pandemic, but there is a conspiracy in which each country pursues its own interests.
          2. In particular, in the Russian Federation the authorities are given a lot of opportunities from this hysteria. Their economic interests were not affected. I think they will continue to improve the system of isolation of citizens from life in the country. It is very convenient to rewrite any laws and compose new ones to please yourself. By the way, one of the close ones probably made a pretty good profit in the Moscow region on selling software and tablets for the police and cardinal's guards.
          3. Well, there’s an option from the realm of fiction, if energy resources are completely worthless, they’ll steal the Stabilization Fund under the auspices of the fight against the virus.
        4. DemikSPb April 17 2020 17: 38 New
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          Your questions have already been answered many times.
    3. Svarog April 17 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The authorities washed their hands. Self-isolation, by definition, is voluntary.

      First of all, the authorities slapped the situation, it is necessary to be proactive and close the borders during all, and all visitors to strict quarantine .. then I would not have to isolate myself to everyone else .. Now the measures are not sufficient, and nothing .. The virus spreads with high speed ..
    4. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 32 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Authorities washed their hands

      No, replenish the budget. Where does the money come from for “presidential salaries”? With fined;)
    5. Overlock April 17 2020 16: 33 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Self-isolation, by definition, is voluntary.

      that's just fined for her violation with pleasure laughing
  2. Finches April 17 2020 13: 46 New
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    To be honest, I do not care deeply whether the world will change or not, the main thing for me is that the infection does not change the health and composition of my family and loved ones!
    1. Anatole Klim April 17 2020 14: 16 New
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      I read one article the other day by a virologist, so he writes that almost the entire population will be ill with coronavirus, who will not notice it at all, cough a couple of days and that's it, some will lie in quarantine at home, some in the hospital, but the dead, unfortunately, will but everyone will get sick, the virus has come forever and will not go anywhere. The main thing for the authorities is not to get sick at the same time, the main thing is to stretch the smaller ones infected for a long period. For this, all these measures for self-isolation are being introduced, they are trying not to immediately get sick millions. I don’t know how in Moscow, in my half-million city there are 112 officially sick, 2 people died. The Rosguard patrols, they do not require any passes if they see him hanging out, they approach and strongly recommend going home, they don’t hear any fines, local media would have already reported. To my elderly mother, the district nurse brought all the prescribed medicines home. Masks are worn by young and old, but after the recommendation of the Ministry of Emergency Situations that you can not wear masks on the street, but wear them indoors, masseurs on the street noticeably decrease. In shops, they keep a distance, many greet them not by the hand, but by their elbows. In general, I am optimistic, I think we will break through. hi
      1. Finches April 17 2020 14: 42 New
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        hi and he is right and I perfectly understand the decision of the authorities! But our people have such cattle that only draconian methods can specifically minimize the losses from infection - and so - under my house there is a square where Dantes set the sun of Russian poetry, so last week there was a warm day - a square full of people - men thump open, on benches, in the bushes, on the banks of the Black River ..., ladies with children walk ... Old ladies of God dandelions, it seems that from all over the Primorsky district, with their wallets on wheels, they walk along the squares of the square, as if in a Paris- rally Dakar ... Dog lovers and cat lovers walk ... Self-isolation in Russian! laughing
        1. The guard April 17 2020 15: 14 New
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          Quote: Finches
          and he is right and I perfectly understand the decision of the authorities! But our people have such cattle that only draconian methods can specifically minimize the losses from infection

          How are you right !!!! The most interesting thing is that neolibers sit at home and wake people up through the Internet, that there’s nothing wrong, it’s the power that scares you and violates your rights, etc.
          I would have put troops in place of the commandant’s hour and .. hi
          1. Finches April 17 2020 15: 27 New
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            hi I already gave an example here in 1654, when the plague reached Moscow ... The tsar father also panicked a little, but then he pulled himself together and imposed the most severe quarantine with all the proletarian hatred, and as a result, a little more than 6 thousand inhabitants died in Moscow and in London, which then taught everyone to live, up to 7 thousand people a week died at the peak of the epidemic ... By the way, since I remembered Our everything, that epidemic prompted Alexander Sergeyevich to write "A Feast During the Plague"! And he wrote it in quarantine! laughing
            1. Operator April 17 2020 15: 45 New
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              So William our Shakespeare wrote his highest-grossing quarantined plays during the London Plague.
              1. Finches April 17 2020 15: 49 New
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                You are right, he definitely wrote King Lear in quarantine, but to a different, earlier, wave of the epidemic!
            2. Lannan Shi April 17 2020 16: 33 New
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              Quote: Finches
              The tsar father then also panicked a little, but then he pulled himself together and imposed the most severe quarantine with all the proletarian hatred

              You understand what business. With a sudden danger in men, the left hemisphere sharply activates. Simply put, an immediate search for a solution and action begins. In women, the thalamus is activated, which is very significantly responsible for emotions. Hence the typical reaction - to close your eyes and go into yourself, digesting the negative. Based on the behavior model of our guarantor ... We do not have a king, father, but even a king mother. Well, at least in crisis behavior. yes
              1. Finches April 17 2020 16: 42 New
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                He is not a tsar at all - he is a worker hired by the majority of the Russian people as a result of the elections ... This, if you simplify your form and do not play conspiracy theories, that he hires oligarchs, who defends the interests of the world imperialist backstage ... And the rest he acts within the framework of their powers stipulated by bourgeois-democratic laws! Squaring quarantine violators - like Alexei Mikhailovich Silent, he cannot a priori laughing So, here it’s not the thalamus, but the pituitary gland of the capitalist system with democratic foundations - a smaller state, more freedom of the individual and all such nonsense! If you want to live, live, you want to die, so who forbids you! laughing hi
            3. The guard April 17 2020 18: 09 New
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              Quote: Finches
              hi I already gave an example here in 1654, when the plague reached Moscow ... The tsar father also panicked a little, but then he pulled himself together and imposed the most severe quarantine with all the proletarian hatred, and as a result, a little more than 6 thousand inhabitants died in Moscow and in London, which then taught everyone to live, up to 7 thousand people a week died at the peak of the epidemic ... By the way, since I remembered Our everything, that epidemic prompted Alexander Sergeyevich to write "A Feast During the Plague"! And he wrote it in quarantine! laughing

              Wow, you didn’t know this. Eugene Thank you! In general, the epidemics in Russia somehow did not take root especially, unlike the west ..
              Although the infections here are powerful, anthrax alone is worth something ..!
              Write more, and then the alarmists divorced .. There are proven methods of combating evil spirits in Russia !!!!
          2. Overlock April 17 2020 16: 59 New
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            Quote: Guard
            neolibers sit at home and through the Internet, they urge people that there’s nothing wrong, it’s the power that scares you and violates your rights, etc.

            how do you like it! The virus is the same as to infect: rich or poor, liberal or communist. The virus does not read the posters and the box does not look
        2. Vasisualiy Gus-Khrustalny April 17 2020 17: 52 New
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          I have Polyustrovsky park in front of the windows. I also can’t say that nobody is there)
        3. Altona April 18 2020 09: 36 New
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          But we have such a beast

          --------------------------
          You can understand people, someone is tired of an endless house arrest, someone is simply an indefatigable nature. You can’t stay locked up for a long time, it is very stressful.
      2. riwas April 18 2020 06: 02 New
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        I read one article the other day a virologist

        New "TEMPORARY METHODOLOGICAL RECOMMENDATIONS. DRUG THERAPY OF ACUTE RESPIRATORY VIRAL INFECTIONS (ARVI) IN OUT-HAND PRACTICE DURING COVID-19 EPIDEMIC"
        https://static-0.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/050/033/original/RESP_REC_V2.pdf

        It offers:
        "In accordance with the consensus expert opinion in the treatment of COVID-19, several drugs are recommended that can be used both in monotherapy and in combination: INN: chloroquine, INN: hydroxychloroquine, INN: mefloquine, INN: lopinavir + ritonavir, INN: azithromycin (Appendix 2). "
        But Chinese doctors rejected as lopinavir + ritonavir
        https://scientificrussia.ru/news/preparaty-protiv-vich-ne-pomogali-lechit-koronavirus-v-klinicheskih-ispytaniyah
        and: chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, mefloquine
        https://www.popmech.ru/science/news-564844-preparat-ot-koronavirusa-okazalsya-neeffektiven/
        But China supplies us with the latter as humanitarian aid.
        https://rg.ru/2020/04/16/pravitelstvo-razreshilo-lechit-ot-koronavirusa-kitajskim-lekarstvom.html

        And China itself is treated with Favipiravir. Ours bought it in small quantities from China and it seems they are even going to establish its production, but this is when it will be.
    2. Pavel57 April 17 2020 15: 04 New
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      Zyablitsev (Eugene), but it’s all the same all the same, but what if there’s nothing to eat or nothing?
      1. Finches April 17 2020 15: 05 New
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        A dead buckwheat is unlikely to be needed ... At least I do not know such cases! laughing
        1. Pavel57 April 17 2020 15: 06 New
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          Coronovirus is not a plague, and not even a Spanish woman.
          1. Finches April 17 2020 15: 07 New
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            Are you an epidemiologist?
    3. Overlock April 17 2020 16: 33 New
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      Quote: Finches
      For me, the main thing is that the infection does not change the health and composition of my family and loved ones!

      you are not alone in this
  3. Xnumx vis April 17 2020 13: 50 New
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    Hazy with this virus, it’s like ... They buried the whole world ... Do we find out what is the reason for this event? Who benefits, why they started this pandemic ... That Russia is not profitable perfectly well. Then who is the director, who is behind all this current drama of a global scale ...
    1. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 39 New
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      Quote: 30 vis
      Who benefits, why

      Digital globalizers. So the Federal Tax Service proposed to collect data on Russians in a single register. It will be possible to calculate family income and per capita income. This will help provide families in need with the help ("coronavirus" apparently) that they need, they say so :) People don’t really need what they need. And then - he went in and looked - "middle class", let him cope :)
      1. DEDPIHTO April 17 2020 18: 42 New
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        Quote: DigitalError
        Quote: 30 vis
        Who benefits, why

        Digital globalizers. So the Federal Tax Service proposed to collect data on Russians in a single register. It will be possible to calculate family income and per capita income. This will help provide families in need with the help ("coronavirus" apparently) that they need, they say so :) People don’t really need what they need. And then - he went in and looked - "middle class", let him cope :)
        Well, about creating a unified registry just for the sake of specific assistance to those in need it is very doubtful, here other goals are being pursued (highlighted in bold) .. winked
        Quote from RBC.
        According to Kolesnikov, now in Russia "there is no normal objective counting concept of a family, a household." However, the deputy head of the Federal Tax Service explained that family income can be calculated using data on family relationships from a single register. “<...> it will be possible to calculate family income, per capita income, to put any controls, any thresholds and, accordingly, render the government and the president the help that will be needed in this particular case ”- said Kolesnikov.

        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/society/17/04/2020/5e98fa6b9a7947289b972f28
        1. Digital error April 17 2020 19: 10 New
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          Quote: DEPHIHTO
          here are other goals

          Of course, others - the first reading, if not mistaken, was criticized by the public six months ago. And now, suddenly, urgently, under the guise of someone, it became necessary for this bill to be promoted. Doesn’t resemble anything (World Cup / pension "reform")?
          1. DEDPIHTO April 17 2020 19: 41 New
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            Cheto earlier I skipped this topic with the first reading, you can’t keep track of everything. Yes, it’s better to catch a fish in a muddy water, it’s the nullified fisherman and friendly K. who learned it well back in the 90s, turning their dark affairs under the guise and nothing has changed since then. Now the coronavirus has become that muddy little water so that you can begin to realize digital slavery, hiding behind good intentions. Personally, I have long taken care of my own freedom, disappeared from the field of view of ,, state ,, wink
    2. The guard April 17 2020 15: 18 New
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      Quote: 30 vis
      Then who is the director, who is behind all this current drama of a global scale ...

      Do you guess? Which country has debts above the roof already for 30 trillion .... And which country will be the first to create a vaccine and how much will it sell?
  4. Yrec April 17 2020 13: 51 New
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    That's right, turned upside down. In public transport and in shops / pharmacies / banks, the crowd can (as always), and the "loners" and cars are nightmare. However, it’s easier for single people to press, try the crowd pressing, it can stick.
    1. 210ox April 17 2020 17: 15 New
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      I already gave an example of how people at my job were pushed into a company bus. Hard workers. The cars are in the vast majority, but the pass was issued only to the office. All are equal, but there are those that are more equal than all the others. Where does a person get sick faster? In a crowded bus or in your car?
  5. Van 16 April 17 2020 13: 52 New
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    About transport, it’s absolutely true, every morning I watch this oil painting, the bus pulls up, the doors open, and there only fifth points stick out, the crowds are full of horror, and someone else is trying to get in. It’s astonishing the Pharisees of the authorities, instead of helping people, there’s only boltology.
    1. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 42 New
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      Quote: Van 16
      The Pharisaism of the authorities is striking

      In our region, dogs are allowed to walk, but nothing is said about children (which means that it is forbidden by the "self" isolation regime). From dog lovers, unlike children, the virus seems to peel off the wall like peas. And they (dog-lovers) live in a vacuum - they don’t go to the family’s entrances and house, everyone walks and walks with their dogs.
      1. Van 16 April 17 2020 14: 54 New
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        On many points, such questions arise, only in response the authorities either remain silent, mumble something absurd, or tighten the screws.
        1. Digital error April 17 2020 15: 01 New
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          Quote: Van 16
          either tighten the nuts

          Well, this is the good old Russian tradition, Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote about it - "do not let go and forbid." It’s also easier than inventing some tricks. Apparently, they do not know how to do anything else, but they hope that the "deep people" will treat them with understanding ...
          1. Van 16 April 17 2020 15: 15 New
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            Mikhail Evgrafovich knew what he was writing about. In general, it’s necessary to find out some time, re-read his books ..
    2. nerovnayadoroga April 17 2020 21: 48 New
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      No Viagra will help this impotent
  6. maxim1987 April 17 2020 13: 54 New
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    just issued a "pass" on the site. Two clicks walk Vasya. Have we learned to evaluate a person’s condition through a monitor? If only to collect fines from people request
  7. Doccor18 April 17 2020 13: 56 New
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    "It is not in vain that the measures taken by the Russian leadership are called half measures. Self-isolation, assistance to low-income families with three children and Moscow unemployed are certainly positive undertakings."

    Unemployed and large families are not only in Moscow. And if the case, it is not clear what is happening. Either there is an epidemic, it is dangerous and everything is serious, or it's just another round of viral diseases of the springtime. If the first, then we need strict implementation of the set of rules that every epidemiologist of the country knows from memory. If the second, then why all? Half measures will never lead to a quick victory, but will give a temporary improvement in the situation. But the country's economy and people, like air, need a quick victory.
    1. DemikSPb April 17 2020 17: 41 New
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      1. We have already said and written many times that the main task is to slow down the infection so that there is no peak load on hospitals or the peak becomes lower.
      2. Even strict measures will not help. Within a year or two, everyone will be infected.
      3. Since this event was chosen to start the global economic crisis, there will be no quick victory.
  8. paul3390 April 17 2020 13: 57 New
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    Actually - the carp only confirmed what we already knew - the bourgeois authorities did not care about people, the main thing is not to share the money with the people. And now it’s also become clear that the whole Putin’s vaunted vertical of power - hell doesn’t work in an emergency .. Nobody does a damn thing, doesn’t want to take responsibility, and the biggest one seems to hang in prostration. For all the decisions made are nothing more than an imitation of violent activity, naturally - they cannot help anyone and anyone ..
    1. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 47 New
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      now it’s also become clear that all Putin’s vaunted vertical of power - not a damn thing works in an emergency

      You and I understand. Is it clear to the "majority" - we will see in the next election if the "majority" appears on them.
      1. Xnumx vis April 17 2020 16: 01 New
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        Quote: DigitalError
        Quote: paul3390
        now it’s also become clear that all Putin’s vaunted vertical of power - not a damn thing works in an emergency

        You and I understand. Is it clear to the "majority" - we will see in the next election if the "majority" appears on them.

        Do you need to dump the main vertical? And then what? Socialism? Is the communist party in power? You would first be in your com. the parties dealt with the uncle Uncle Zu ... hi Neither fish nor meat ... They are torn to power ... fellow The party can’t choose a normal leader ... wassat
        1. Digital error April 17 2020 16: 41 New
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          Do you need to dump the main vertical?

          I will answer this way - in the Decree of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of April 2, 2019 No. 854-O, which put an end to the question of the constitutionality of the pension "reform", a curious thought came up, I can not refrain from quoting:
          ... The parliamentary majority, having realized their advantage in voting, bears the risk of loss of electoral support and confidence of voters due to possible negative consequences of legislative decisions. This, among other things, manifests itself in political and, in particular, parliamentary and party competition, based on the principles of democracy, legal democracy and political pluralism ...

          Quote: 30 vis
          And then what?

          And then it will be further. Let’s see what exactly, but I don’t feel any warm feelings neither to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, nor to Navalny (which, perhaps, still brings more benefits). A terrible end is better than horror without an end (not for the sake of pathos, but for understanding).
          1. Xnumx vis April 17 2020 16: 48 New
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            And then it will be further. Let’s see what exactly, but I don’t feel any warm feelings neither to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, nor to Navalny (which, perhaps, still brings more benefits). A terrible end is better than horror without an end (not for the sake of pathos, but for understanding).

            The current fighter with a bloody gebe is glorious! He doesn’t look further than his nose ... We’ll look further ... You probably don’t live in Russia, that you decided to glance ... Because we will not see in Russia. It will turn out to be complete to all! The horror of many endless thoughts, a mess of consciousness ... Not the desire and not the ability to think for yourself, with your own head ..... Think of other people's slogans, ideas of others, opinions of others. AAAAA !!! And ran to the left .... AAAAA !! and ran to the right .... Shame on her god!
          2. Xnumx vis April 18 2020 08: 16 New
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            To live in a civilized country, you do not need to leave Russia. Moreover, make a revolution in it. Just ...: don’t litter, don’t swear, start driving according to the rules on the roads, don’t give bribes, don’t take bribes, don’t drink alcohol and don’t smoke, don’t change your Beloved Man, respect the culture and learn the history of the motherland, respect the elderly. ... And you yourself won’t notice how YOU WILL APPEAR IN A CIVILIZED STATE. M. ZADORNOV
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              Quote: 30 vis
              no need to leave Russia

              Of course not, no one will do it better for us.
              Quote: 30 vis
              Moreover, make a revolution in it

              And who is calling for this? I repeat: "in this, among other things, political and, in particular, parliamentary and party competition is manifested, based on the principles of democracy, legal democracy and political pluralism. "Well, the Constitutional Court defined it, and not those who ran left and right. My position is unchanged for many years - with such a" today "there will be no other" tomorrow ".
              I can assume that some people would like to postpone the September elections (in connection with the coronavirus, of course - it takes extra time to print out the ballots wink ), only it will look like a thimble laughing And, there’s another “knight move” - the urgent introduction of electronic voting. But it will look exactly the same smile
  9. andranick April 17 2020 14: 10 New
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    According to official statistics, Russia has reached one of the first places in terms of growth in the number of detected cases of COVID-19 per day - over 4 thousand cases per day. For comparison, the United States - 3674, Germany - 1566, Spain - 2132, South Korea - 22.

    Ilya, heard the saying: "Once you lie, who will believe you"? The number of cases in the USA per day is an order of magnitude greater and varies around 30, plus or minus 000. Be careful!
    1. Speedy April 17 2020 15: 14 New
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      They have more corpses per day than we have sick. 4600 ... Either the author is cunning or escalating.
      1. andranick April 17 2020 16: 18 New
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        Or it’s off topic and is mistaken, but then why write an article with analytics and far-reaching conclusions ?!
  10. alone April 17 2020 14: 13 New
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    When it was necessary to take anticipatory measures, the TV unanimously spoke in chorus about the fact that the virus does not exist. Then they began to prove that this was not a hindrance to Russia ... in general, they transmitted absolute nonsense ...
    But when the virus began to spread, they began to frantically take late half-measures, from which a lot of questions arise about their expediency.
    1. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 49 New
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      on TV together the chorus talked about the fact that the virus does not exist

      and a month later they called those who say so - distributors of fakes yes
  11. Horon April 17 2020 14: 15 New
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    if it’s real self-isolation, and not selective, when in the same Moscow millions of people continue to work and go to work.

    The author seems to have come from the world of green ponies, if he does not understand how light, gas, heat, Internet come to his house, and products appear on the table! Full, total "self-isolation" for a long period is impossible. The world cannot be paused. As they said in the old days: "You are going to die, but sow the field!" A day of self-isolation can easily be endured by anyone, a week ... with difficulties and not by everyone, a month ... if only having plunged into nirvana for this entire period, in order to withstand during this period a lack of heat, water and light, limiting oneself to food and water. But the regime of self-isolation is already stretched for more than two months !!! Only drones can stop and isolate at this time, since they do not bear any divine load, the rest must go out, because voluntary seclusion will lead to violations not only of economic, but also of life support systems, starting from those close to him who surrounds him, ending with the whole state. Increased hard quarantine may raise the question of the magnitude of the negative consequences of quarantine itself in comparison with the consequences of the epidemic. What is being applied now is rather an attempt to balance between the negative consequences of the epidemic and the consequences of quarantine measures to curb it. In any case, they will not be able to stop the epidemic; they will only delay or reduce the dynamics. Everyone will have to get sick!
    1. Roman123567 April 17 2020 14: 35 New
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      The author seems to have come from the world of green ponies, if he does not understand how light, gas, heat, Internet come to his house, and products appear on the table!


      And the author does calls for a month to lock everyone ??
      He just wonders - what then is the point of this show?

      an attempt to balance between the negative consequences of the epidemic and the consequences of quarantine measures to curb it. In any case, they will not be able to stop the epidemic; they will only delay or reduce the dynamics. Everyone will have to get sick!
      Once again I ask - is there a need to wash one hand every hour, and the second only occasionally, as in previous times ?? What is the balance ??
      I have a girl at work every day arrives on a minibus .. and back too .. in a crowd of people .. Goes shopping .. Somewhere else .. For three weeks already ..
      But he’s afraid to go home to the village .. about the “regular bus” .. you can get infected ..))
      Well, what is the logic and meaning ?? This is what the author writes about ..
      1. savage1976 April 17 2020 14: 47 New
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        Your suggestions? Stop the nuclear power plant, stop the thermal power plant, cut down the electricity, close everyone for 3 weeks at home. After 3 weeks, everything will come out and the virus is gone. So? Here only inhabitants of Krasnodar territory will leave at best. I doubt that in our - 15 month people will survive without life support systems. And we have a large part of the country precisely in such climatic conditions.
        1. Roman123567 April 17 2020 15: 04 New
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          Your suggestions? Stop the nuclear power plant, stop the thermal power plant, cut down the electricity, close everyone for 3 weeks at home.


          We read slowly ..))

          And the author does calls for a month to lock everyone ??
          He just wonders - what then is the point of this show?
          1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 10 New
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            So what are your suggestions? The authorities voiced, everything is according to the burrows, only life support, continuous production work. For 2 weeks now, OP has been standing as everything is illegal and wrong. How will be correct? Can you voice it?
            1. Roman123567 April 17 2020 15: 51 New
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              So what are your suggestions?

              I can offer you just to live as before, without clogging your head with this oror ..))
              Why do you need these offers from me, when you yourself perfectly see the absurdity and senselessness of what is happening ..

              Well, if this ARVI were so scary and dangerous, as they tried to show, they would have long ago introduced a real emergency mode ..
              1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 54 New
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                Unfortunately, I see the absurdity of what is happening only on the part of people who are much more interested in arguing with the police than thinking about their health with their own heads.
          2. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 16 New
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            The authorities did what they could, 15-20 million students tried to isolate, people over 65 as well (especially since they have a pension, you can live for sure), another 20-30 million, they closed all crowded places, shopping centers, cinemas, stadiums, exhibitions , teachers, cultural workers, also sitting at home, several million more. Well, 30% of the country's population definitely came out. But we also need to take a walk with the dog, and the dog poop only at the other end of the city, and you need to buy pasta only in another city by riding on the train.
            1. Liam April 17 2020 15: 23 New
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              The authorities did what they could

              Authorities 2 months earlier through the mouths of TV propagandists, including doctors, filled the ears of the population that this garbage is not more dangerous than flu, fake and hysteria and that everything is under control and does not threaten anything. And then they turned sharply 180 degrees and demanded self-isolation. It is hard to expect from ordinary people that they will take seriously the epidemic whose danger has been denied by all for so long
              1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 34 New
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                2 months say when the border with China was blocked? When did you start blocking flights to other countries? When was the pandemic announced? When did the MO begin to build a hospital? Of course, all this was not done by the authorities, but by Vanka on the stove.
                1. Roman123567 April 17 2020 15: 58 New
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                  We started when everything began to end in China ..))
                  1. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 01 New
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                    In China, January 30 will all end start? Let me remind you that it was January 30 that closed the border with China.
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                      In China, January 30 will all end start? Let me remind you that it was January 30 that closed the border with China.

                      And Italy closed January 30 with China. And it helped a lot? January 30 was too late to close
                      1. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 06 New
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                        And when did quarantine begin in China? And when did you have to close it? And how many sick people were in China on January 30? And in 2002, during the sars, it was also necessary to close everything and quarantine the whole country for half a year? In hindsight, everyone is of course smart.
                      2. Liam April 17 2020 16: 18 New
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                        It was necessary to close in early January. To believe the data of the South Caucasus and Taiwan, and not China. Everyone knew from previous epidemics that China was lying to the last. But this is a common jamb that was closed only in late January and early February.
                        But when Europe exploded in early March and it became clear that the epidemic is not only in China, and you have 2 million people walking in Europe, which means the virus is already inside the country - who pulled the cat by the tail until the end of March, denying the problem until the last
                    2. Overlock April 17 2020 17: 05 New
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                      January 30 was too late to close

                      really?
                      The first cases of coronavirus infection in Russia were discovered on January 31 in two Chinese citizens, one of them was in the Trans-Baikal Territory, the other - in the Tyumen region.
                      It was impossible to close the border?
              2. Revival April 17 2020 16: 18 New
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                10.03 quarantine already throughout Italy
                March 11.03, a pandemic was announced
                16.03 our finally rocked to close the message with Europe.
                What were they stupid before?
                The decision to close the message, the border takes power!
                All cases of infection are imported!
                Who is to blame for the spread !?
                The fact that people died due to measures not taken on time?
                Will they be held responsible? Or "need to understand"
                1. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 23 New
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                  On January 23, advertisements in China were declared, 7000 infected, the border with China closed on January 30, as the infected regions grow, the border closes and with them, the borders with all countries are closed on March 18, I am exported only by our citizens. Or should they have been thrown there?
                  1. Revival April 17 2020 16: 56 New
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                    1. 10.03 quarantine already throughout Italy. Part of Italy much earlier!
                    March 11.03, a pandemic was announced.
                    Why only the 18th?
                    2. No, provocateur, do not quit.
                    All visitors had to be quarantined directly from the plane, etc.
                    That is how the state differs from its "name", which takes reasonable, prompt measures and can ensure their implementation!
                    Take out and quarantine!
                    1. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 59 New
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                      And quarantine right on the runway or at the airport? You probably will say in a sanatorium, a rest house, and where are the guests from them? Over the fence? So maybe that's why 18, so that foreigners can be taken out and ours returned. Or is it still better to treat foreigners and quit ours?
                    2. Liam April 17 2020 17: 05 New
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                      Why quarantine? They praise the tests unmeasured. A man arrived, made a test and is free.
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                      Apparently from nothing to do 3 tests are done with a difference of several days. That's the difficulty that the test does not show during the incubation period or whatever it is called. It would be so simple. Only now are there any express tests.
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                      Plus, degenerates, which are still yelling that they infect the virus just during the analysis.
                  2. Revival April 17 2020 18: 21 New
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                    Are you pretending
                    Direct from the plane to the rooms prepared for this!
                    Urgently prepared by the forces of state structures, which must and must ensure this, if the relevant state structures, and not a bunch of officials "are not for business."
                    This is the state, or rather, as it turned out, no
      2. Roman123567 April 17 2020 15: 57 New
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        The authorities did what they could, 15-20 million students have tried isolate,

        We tried ..

        That one first person could not isolate .. He infected dozens ..
        They could not isolate a dozen .. Yes, and this is not easy .. because until you identify and find them, they will contact half the metro / minibuses in half a day ..
        When there are thousands of infected people, it’s already impossible to calculate and break the chain without planting the whole city in solitary confinement !!
        Well, when there are already hundreds of thousands or millions in the country .. what can I talk about here ?? It's already like a needle in a haystack to look for ..
        Here you already can’t eradicate this infection by any force and means !!

        So walk with the dog, and do not puzzle over this circus ..))
        1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 58 New
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          Was there one? Or all 100+ thousand of which were essentially evacuated from other countries?
        2. Revival April 17 2020 16: 57 New
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          Did the authorities do what they could?
          That is, in fact, they were helpless.
          Well then yes
          This is a diagnosis
      3. New Year day April 17 2020 19: 56 New
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        The authorities did what they could,

        too little, too late and not quite
        1. savage1976 April 18 2020 01: 54 New
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          And it was necessary to close all quarantine in the country on January 1, and even better from September 1, 2019. Then probably there would have been no patients at all, that would have been a victory. And it’s even better to take and shoot everyone at once, the statistics on diseases will be immediately amazing, not a single patient from the word at all.
  12. Digital error April 17 2020 16: 58 New
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    Stop the nuclear power plant, stop the power plant

    But what - it is impossible to arrange accommodation for personnel of critical facilities for the life support of the population at workplaces? Bring them cots, haul hot food. Compensate for inconvenience by reducing VAT (for example). I do not pretend to be right, but I want to say that there are solutions, they are simply more complicated than "not letting go and forbid". But other decisions are needed for such decisions. And in the leadership places there are often people with biographies resembling the former deputy minister of the Ministry of Industry and Trade (responsible for the presence of medical masks, if I'm not mistaken) Dmitry Ovsyannikov ...
    1. savage1976 April 17 2020 17: 07 New
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      That's when you count all those who are on life support, then you will understand that this is half the country. Doctors, military, police, grocery sellers, pharmacies, continuous cycle, movers on the prod. Bases, agriculture and can continue for a long time. Place the country’s floor in production? Have you thought well? For them, transport works, and not to carry dogs to the forest.
      1. Revival April 17 2020 19: 08 New
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        Yes, it is now clearly visible that if the situation were like with the German attack in 1941, then with today's helpless it would have turned into an epic failure!
        Blitzkrieg would have been completed in a week
        1. savage1976 April 18 2020 01: 58 New
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          In 1941, Blitzkrieg happened, but for some reason for half the readers of VO, this is the effectiveness of management at all levels of government, the genius of Stalin, and this must be equaled.
      2. Digital error April 17 2020 20: 49 New
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        Place the country’s floor in production?

        I don’t know if it’s true or not, but even the video is attached to the post https://kazanfirst.ru/news/516211
        The decision that the personnel of the Nizhnekamsk TPP will live and work at the station at the same time was made for reasons of safety of the employees themselves in connection with the current situation with coronavirus infection. The company organized free three meals a day, sleeping places with bunk beds, and laundry. At leisure, workers can watch TV, play board games, go to the gym or pool, and a cinema is also available to employees. In addition, Tatneft pays additional allowances to each employee for working in the barracks. For 40 years of operation of a thermal power plant in this mode, it has been operating for the first time. Instead of half a thousand people usually working at the CHP, in the barracks mode just over 200 left. This “special forces”, as they were called by the General Director of Tatneft Nail Maganov, should ensure the stable operation of the enterprise.
  • Horon April 17 2020 15: 09 New
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    The point is that part of the population would reduce the number of social contacts - this is the balance that really reduces the dynamics of infection. And those who vitally need these very social contacts, used personal protective equipment and measures to reduce the likelihood of illness. Or do you want to argue that if we are ill on a massive scale, we will improve the work of doctors by filling up their patients? They even have a lot of problems in the current situation, and it will be worse if the mortality rate increases only because the person did not have enough drugs! The fact that officials go too far with measures, I will not argue here, but if you understand that the spread of the virus directly depends on the number of social contacts, then there is a sense in adopting a "self-isolation regime". The trouble is that the measures taken by the authorities are difficult to understand, the impression is that virologists and epidemiologists are either afraid to take responsibility, or have degenerated as a class.
    But he’s afraid to go home to the village .. about the “regular bus” .. you can get infected ..))

    Rather, she is afraid to bring a virus to her village that she might accidentally pick up in the city, in a store or minibus. And rightly so.
  • Tank hard April 17 2020 14: 17 New
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    Yes, you go to the street, citizens and go to the store. But here we must remember others, put on a mask when there are several people around, keep your distance. Yesterday I go into the staircase, a couple flies behind me, naturally without masks, they climb into the elevator, where 3 adults are crowded. Well, I stepped aside, missed the youth (the great future of the country, apparently CREATIVE CLASS wink ) But how can citizens not infect each other in such conditions? I keep my distance, but the citizen does not consider it necessary to do this. Shoot start? Chlorine in the face toss? To water from a cylinder? Duc, let’s get dirty ... repeat They themselves will kill everyone. With such citizens, the country corresponds ... request
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      Yes you go outside, citizens

      it’s impossible without a good reason, they will fine themselves
      Quote: Tank Hard
      need to remember others

      most do not remember (and do not want - the products of a consumer society), for which they are self-insulated ...
  • Odysseus April 17 2020 14: 24 New
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    The situation worsens every day. The initial plan was at least logical (albeit extremely cynical) to cover the epidemic with a catastrophic economic crisis that arose due to a fall in oil and gas. Well, at the same time, of course, limit the spread of an average disease risk. Everything should have ended by May 9th. The meaning is simple - the coronavirus is to blame for everything, but thanks to Putin and the wise policy of the authorities, we defeated him as the Nazis in the 45th.
    Hence all the oddities - “half-fights” and “under-quarantine,” such as working commercial real estate construction sites and rehearsal for the parade in closed parks and police harassment for leaving the house.
    However, everything flew into the tartars. The reason is catastrophic managerial inefficiency. The desire not to take responsibility at the same time, not to pay people, not to touch a large oligarchic-mafia business, and also to promote a "great victory" over the virus with a collapsed healthcare system, led to an obvious result - the chairs under steel became to disperse.
    It was not possible to solve any problems at all - it was only possible to embitter people to the extreme. Moreover, the worst was not even in the disease (everyone essentially waved a hand at it), and not in total poverty after "self-isolation", but in the collapse of statehood when the federal government simply disappeared , and people live according to arbitrary decrees of local authorities.
    1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 07 New
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      That is, in your opinion, in Russia, with 32000 infected 273 dead, is this a failure? Well then, in the EU countries so praised by their wonderful medicine (Italy for 31000 2500 dead, Great Britain for 33000 3600, Spain for 30000 2300, and you can continue for a very long time) is this a victory of management efficiency? Of course, it’s the authorities’s fault that those who escaped from hospitals diagnosed with coronavirus in YouTube are considered winners and heroes in the fight against the totalitarian regime and gain heaps of likes, of course it’s the authorities’s fault that the patients hide their stay abroad when they call the doctor and the doctors come to the patient only through a week they learn that he returned a week ago from abroad and as a result they themselves become infected and infect other patients. Of course, it’s the authorities’s fault that lovers of traveling abroad come back and walk around the shopping centers, go to the guests instead of 2 weeks of isolation and infect passers-by and friends.
      1. Liam April 17 2020 15: 14 New
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        That is, in your opinion, in Russia, with 32000 infected 273 dead, is this a failure?

        Russia is at the very beginning of the active phase of the epidemic. These 273 dead did not get sick today or yesterday. They die in 2-3 weeks on average. Here, these dead belong to the sick 3 weeks ago. How many people were in Russia at the end of March? 1 thousand or 2?
        You will find out how many of those who die during these days, you will find out in 2-3 weeks.
        1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 24 New
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          In the above countries, 30000 was also not at its peak, but in the process of growth, and not for many months, but for 2-4 weeks from the beginning of the active spread of the virus, now we also have been actively spreading for about a month. So it will be possible to judge the failure at the end of the epidemic, but Odysseus has it all, a failure of epic proportions.
          1. Liam April 17 2020 15: 33 New
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            Russia had a month and a half more than the Europeans to prepare. And I can say that no quarantine is even close to European or Chinese in Russia and is not expected. Therefore, there will be difficulties. And about 1000 dead more or less to a certain number is nothing. with this epidemic, 1000 dead are losses in 1 day at their peak. And even 4.000 are in the USA. There is no need to build illusions on this score. The virus is the same for everyone, people are all made of the same flesh and blood, quarantine in Russia is not tougher than in Europe, medicine is not better (to put it mildly). So the numbers will not be better
            1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 38 New
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              So maybe it’s not worth burying ahead of time and shouting ahead of time about “missing polymers”. Have the authorities already informed you how it will be? Like in China or like in Europe? You are already so thoroughly informed however.
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                But how was it in China and is?). In China, only the Central Committee of the party knows the numbers.

                17-04-2020 (10:45)
                In Wuhan, China, 1290 more victims from coronavirus
                update: 17-04-2020 (11:28)
                The number of deceased patients with coronavirus in the Chinese city of Wuhan, Hubei province, after clarifying the data by the authorities, increased by 1290 people and exceeded 3,8 thousand people. This was reported by Xinhua News Agency. The number of cases when counting increased by 325 and turned out to be over 50 thousand people

                For some reason, they decided to recount today and "found" another 1300 dead. In the official 2.600. Only 50% made a mistake. And this is only the beginning of the "recounts".
                Focus on European numbers, they will be more reliable. And transfer to your realities
                1. savage1976 April 17 2020 15: 51 New
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                  I can stand it, and I can see very well that our people don’t think with their heads, everything is on AVOS, and then of course the GDP is to blame. Now growth has gone good, where does it come from? When was self-isolation announced there? 2 weeks ago, at a barbecue with a daughter, the beginning was noted .... Then there was money and jokes, but now they are already swelling with hunger.
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                    Quote: savage1976
                    I can stand it, and I can see very well that our people don’t think with their heads, everything is on AVOS, and then of course the GDP is to blame. Now growth has gone good, where does it come from? When was self-isolation announced there? 2 weeks ago, at a barbecue with a daughter, the beginning was noted .... Then there was money and jokes, but now they are already swelling with hunger.

                    And why should ordinary people who are not versed in epidemiology, virology, etc. react differently? From the screens, uncle with a smart look poured into their ears that garbage is all not an epidemic, the usual flu is supposedly, the numbers on the screen are also excellent, there are supposedly millions of places in hospitals, and there are almost more types of mechanical ventilation than in other countries combined, we are preparing to vote according to the constitution and parade, there is no quarantine, but a week-long vacation in some kind of voluntary unpaid self-isolation, transport works, the metro too, and so on. Here are some miracles for a person to take everything seriously and lock himself up without money in the house.
                    1. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 04 New
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                      We return to the above, jamming the nuclear power plant, thermal power station, all transport, border guards at home, Moscow Region, the police there. The cows themselves will be milked and stuff like that, complete universal isolation. Sowing, yes nafik her. . Quarantine. Well, in the fall, the whole crowd was crawling to the cemetery.
                      1. Liam April 17 2020 17: 00 New
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                        Come on. Leave the NPP alone. Start closing at least car washes, hairdressers, construction sites. And then they’re open in the regions. In Rostov, a friend says even kindergartens were opened after a week of self-isolation. And children, by the way, are the main carriers of the virus.
                        And it’s possible to broadcast about quarantine from matyugal’s all day, but until a person is guaranteed that he will receive a salary or compensation from the state on the 1st, he won’t stay at home.
                        Or until he sees refrigerators with dead bodies
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                        Yeah, 2 weeks until self-isolation and everything is already swelling with hunger. And the March salary was just on barbecue when washing the weekend and left. I don’t know what’s in Rostov, we have 2 kindergartens working for children whose parents are engaged in life support or doctors who are in infection, isolated from the infected. Magadan.
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                        Quote: savage1976
                        Us 2 kindergarten works for children whose parents are engaged in life support or doctors who are in infection on isolation with the infected.

                        Brilliant. It’s enough that at least 1 parent of these children will catch the virus and in a week through children will re-infect everyone who works in life support and doctors
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                        And the fact that both parents can be busy, and that there are families with one parent? What to do, rive the child to the battery? To listen to you, the only thing they are doing is that they are trying to rebuild more people.
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                        In other countries, the state pays for such parents to hire a baby babysitter.
            2. savage1976 April 17 2020 16: 13 New
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              And for ordinary people to react at least with the fact that since March 25 a sididoma has been pouring from every matyugal, think about loved ones, thousands die every day. Does it help? It’s not very good, everyone lies, it’s true only on YouTube for bloggers showing completely empty hospitals, it’s true only for bloggers telling that there is no virus, you see everyone is going to chip under the guise of healthy people and infect healthy people in hospitals. YouTube is of course the ultimate truth.
  • The popuas April 17 2020 15: 58 New
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    We had a case, the leader of the ensemble, a cohabitant stabbed with a knife, he died, but not from the received stabs, but from the loss of blood! request 17 ships were, from her like goose water no
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      And the details, maybe he attacked her. She was forced to? And then for self-defense in Russia they usually give large and unfair terms
      1. The popuas April 17 2020 17: 42 New
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        So the analogy, to the comment of savage ... that 280 people died from the coronavirus, and maybe more, it spreads more to the chronicles ... something like that.
  • Overlock April 17 2020 17: 11 New
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    Quote: savage1976
    That is, in your opinion, in Russia, with 32000 infected 273 dead, is this a failure?

    it's how to count laughing
    Quote: savage1976
    Well then, in the EU countries so praised by their wonderful medicine

    strange somehow. We built their model and the copy was better than the original? Is this in the hands of Golikova-Skvortsova? I do not believe!
    Take the Germans:
    The infection rate of coronavirus, which is designated as "R", in Germany was reduced below unity. The German Robert Koch Institute, the federal institute for the study of infectious and intolerant diseases, announced this on Thursday, April 16. According to the Institute, on Wednesday this figure was 0,9, and on Thursday - even 0,7.
    If the R coefficient is below unity, this means that one carrier of the virus infects less than one person on average. This means that the number of infected people is decreasing. The purpose of the quarantine restrictions introduced in Germany was to reduce R to 1,0 or even lower, as the head of the institute Lothar Wieler has repeatedly said.
    Why are you silent about this?
    1. Liam April 17 2020 18: 58 New
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      Quote: Overlock
      Quote: savage1976
      That is, in your opinion, in Russia, with 32000 infected 273 dead, is this a failure?

      it's how to count

      In the coming days, statistics by region may worsen. According to the Open Media website, the approach to accounting is changing. According to his sources, earlier the statistics in the regions were deliberately underestimated, but now the order has been given not to be shy about high rates of both morbidity and mortality. This is due to financial motivation from the federal center.

      Back in early March, local authorities instructed their medical facilities not to engage in overdiagnosis to detect coronavirus. And to test and hospitalize only in the most obvious and urgent cases. Open Media noted that governors and their deputies, who oversee domestic politics and the media sphere, traditionally underestimate negative indicators. In addition, a small number of tests prevented the obtaining of a real picture at first.

      On April 15, Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin announced that the government would allot more than 30 billion rubles. to equip a bed fund in regions where there are patients. According to an interlocutor close to the government, financial support for the regions through the medical line will be carried out according to the principle - the more patients there are in the region, the more money the region will receive.

      On the ground, they reacted instantly. And the incidence rates began to grow. So, the Moscow authorities on Thursday said that Moscow doctors will diagnose “suspected coronavirus” to all citizens with symptoms of SARS.

      The zeal of the regions is quite understandable, given the fact that the cost of creating, equipping and maintaining one bed can reach 1 million rubles
      .

      The approach to fixing the dead began to change. Interlocutors of Open Media in two regions confirmed that not only patients who died due to pneumonia, but also died for other reasons, began to get into the statistics of mortality from coronavirus
      1. nerovnayadoroga April 17 2020 22: 38 New
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        What turned RUSSIA into a state !? For a dairy cow for any trick, and PEOPLE are SIMPLE, they just die for burial from their own pocket, and they still have to calculate for the housing before the burial, from the middle class (AND THEY WENT TO THE SCHOOL!?) 17.000 rubles, if only a dollar!! !! !! ! If you don’t go to work for 200 km every day, and there’s enough 500 rubles for tea, pies and deshirak, you can live, but I can’t give a shit like 67 kg of garbage to a village, I still can’t get it, if only firewood instead of a stove throw in the trash! ?????
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    You correctly noted that the AUTHORITIES are to blame, they must work, and not x..em pears to slander, they are legitimate to take measures, laws, etc., etc. But it’s more interesting to count profits from sales and humanitarian aid, the market is and they don’t give a damn about Vasya and Petya, they are the authorities and therefore the problems of the Indian, the sheriff aren’t ... t !!! ?? Sorry for being rude, but this is so in our life .... !!!!!!!!
  • Overlock April 17 2020 17: 08 New
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    Quote: Odyssey
    Everything was supposed to end by May 9th. The meaning is simple - the coronavirus is to blame for everything, but thanks to Putin and the wise policy of the authorities, we defeated him as the Nazis in the 45th.

    и
    Quote: Odyssey
    everything flew into the tartars. The reason is catastrophic managerial inefficiency.

    surprisingly accurately said, there is nothing to add.
    Right April Theses! hi
  • Roman123567 April 17 2020 14: 27 New
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    However, according to Paola Pedrini, spokeswoman for the Italian Federation of General Practitioners, the reality is much worse.
    Italian doctors about coronavirus epidemic in the country
    "A significant proportion of infected people are not reflected in the statistics of confirmed cases, because they simply do not have a test [for Covid-19]. If in the first weeks we evaluated hIf actual infections are approximately five times higher than official statistics, now it is without a doubt 10 times higher"she said.
    Given that in total in Italy, the diagnosis of Covid-19 was confirmed in almost 75 thousand patients, the real number of people infected in the country, if Pedrini’s calculations are correct, is ahead of even the global figure and may be close to one million.


    What do we have .., as usual, they get sick from the flu - that is, millions of people actually .. the mortality rate, if you take it - also goes small .. as it always was .. The total mortality also fits into the annual indicators .. What's new? ? Nothing!!

    Professor Walter Richcardi, Italy’s scientific adviser to the Italian Minister of Health, former president of the European Public Health Association, said that besides a large number of elderly people, there is another reason for such statistics - the “method that hospitals use to count the dead” from coronavirus.

    CC0 Public Domain
    Chronicles of Coronavirus
    “The method by which we code deaths in our country can be called very“ generous ”- in the sense that (we believe) all people who die in hospitals with a coronavirus die from a coronavirus,” Richcardi said. That is, Italians recorded in the victims of the coronavirus all the dead who he was diagnosed with. But they could die for another reason. In support of this thought, Richcardi further says: “According to a reassessment by the National Institute of Health, only 12 percent of death certificates indicated a direct causal relationship with coronavirus, while 88 percent of deceased patients have at least one preliminary incidence, and many have two or three. ”

    Walter Richcardi confirmed these words and conclusions in an interview with the Italian news agency TPI.
    The Italian newspaper La Stampa asks questions about the method of counting the dead: “The explanation of the sad primacy of our country can also concern the calculation of deaths: almost always the dead had concomitant pathologies. So what was the true cause of their death? ” So, if in hospitals, reporting, the diagnosis of all the deceased was cut to the same comb, then maybe the devil is not so terrible as he is painted in Italy? The question, of course, is not rhetorical, and, as they say, puzzled by what is happening, there is something for everyone. Something we may not know yet. (And this “something”, perhaps, lies not in the medical plane at all, but, for example, in the military-political plane?) But in general, Stalin’s words come into his head, only rephrased: it doesn’t matter how they die, it is important how they think.



    Well, we continue to wash one finger on each hand, and at the same time yell at those who fry barbecue in the distance ..))
  • Gardamir April 17 2020 14: 27 New
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    Small statistics first
    Mortality from ARVI and influenza in Russia, according to Rosstat, in 2016 increased by 2,3 times - to 1 people. In March 079, Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed concern about the epidemic situation of influenza and SARS, calling it serious.

    According to the Federal State Statistics Service, the mortality rate from acute respiratory infections and influenza in Russia in 2016 increased by 2,3 times compared to 2015 - 2015 people died of these diseases in 477, and 2016 people died in 1.

    Did you know about this? Yes, no one even delved into how many people die from the flu every year. And now, in order to achieve hysteria in society, first of all they report the number of sick and dead.
    There is a lot of talk here about the imaginary virtues of the chapter. But then the State must resolve these issues, and not the incomprehensible "self."
    1. The popuas April 17 2020 16: 02 New
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      Just in these years, drugs containing codeine were banned, and then antibiotics hi That's how we live angry
    2. Overlock April 17 2020 17: 15 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Did you know about this? Yes, no one even delved into how many people die from the flu every year. And now, in order to achieve hysteria in society, first of all they report the number of sick and dead.

      At the request of RBC, Rosstat, based on information from the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare, provided a summary of the incidence of community-acquired pneumonia in Moscow in January 2019 and 2020. The incidence rate was 37% - 6921 cases against 5058. 40% of those infected in January are children and adolescents under 17 years old. The peak incidence of seasonal infections, as a rule, occurs in January-February.
      Across Russia, in January 2020, 90,1 thousand people fell ill with community-acquired pneumonia. The increase in the number of cases compared to the same period in 2019 is 3%. RBC requested data from the Federal State Statistics Service for February 2020. The incidence of SARS, according to Rospotrebnadzor, in January 2020 remained at the level of 2019 - about 351 thousand cases.
      https://www.rbc.ru/society/13/03/2020/5e62695e9a794761618f1a7b
  • Million April 17 2020 14: 28 New
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    The current government has window dressing in everything!
  • Tomich3 April 17 2020 14: 34 New
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    Booked an appointment with the therapist on Monday. Dialog by phone.
    - Good morning! I would like to make an appointment with the therapist.
    - Good morning! There is time for 8 hours. 45 min., Eat for 10 hours. 30 minutes.
    - Let's go for 8 hours. 45 minutes
    - Do you have a temperature?
    - No.
    - Do you have a cough?
    - No.
    - Good. Come straight to the doctor. He will have a medical record.

    Something like that)))
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    1. Digital error April 17 2020 14: 56 New
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      Something like that

      How else? There aren’t enough police / Rosgvardiyskie to check what you said. And if enough, then there will be lines, as in the Moscow metro. The author says this - all this is useless, or hard quarantine for everyone, or not ...
    2. Overlock April 17 2020 17: 19 New
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      Quote: Tomic3
      Something like that)))

      another example today.
      A friend calls her daughter and talks about the temperature, cough, shortness of breath. Daughter suspected COVID. Recommended to call an ambulance or a doctor from the clinic. In response, the girlfriend heard: you are not yet dying, when it will be really bad, call. I had to give the phone Rospotrebnadzor, Department of Health. Somehow it turns out that there is a patient with a coronavirus and nobody needs it. She needs to go to the clinic, infecting others along the way. This is a model of healthcare, alas
  • Atlant-1164 April 17 2020 14: 57 New
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    how was the classic ??
    -I do not believe!!
  • bar
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    According to official statistics, Russia has reached one of the first places in terms of growth in the number of detected cases of COVID-19 per day - over 4 thousand cases per day. For comparison, the USA - 3674

    In your noble indignation, you are somewhat mistaken 3674 in the United States are not sick, but dead during the day. Exhale already and end the tantrum.
    1. Horon April 17 2020 15: 25 New
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      This is not hysteria, this is fake throwing, in order to “cheer up” the “fighters”. Now the rating is swinging! winked
  • Strannik_GO April 17 2020 15: 02 New
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    Learn behind the trees - see the forest ... Analysis of information on coronavirus shows: 1. We’ll overcame EVERYTHING to develop immunity in the majority of infected people, and at the same time prevent mass infection simultaneously, that is, should be stretched in time - this is self-isolation (the state somehow copes with this)
    2. To exert maximum efforts will secure the "Golden Million of Russia" (here, too, 100% business is in order)
    3. "... the detachment did not notice the loss of a fighter, and the bull's-eye, a song, finished to the end ..." - there is no vaccine, and it is predicted to appear by the end of the year, so we trust in the Lord God and our parents who have put up resistance in us from adverse living conditions ...
    From the above: panic is not necessary, right?
    1. SVD68 April 17 2020 16: 04 New
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      No, from the above it follows that it is time to panic, because you’ll have to sit in self-isolation for years.
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        No, from the above it follows that it is time to panic, because you’ll have to sit in self-isolation for years.

        Come on, scream harder. Maybe it’s better ....

        And make a shot in the ass when the vaccine is released and you will be immune, if you do not overdo it from grumbling.
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          Come on, scream harder. Maybe it’s better ....

          Squeal here you.
          I have a question. Does it make sense to stretch the infection if everyone is ill? Maybe get sick faster? And how long can you stretch?
      2. Strannik_GO April 18 2020 13: 05 New
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        Transfer to non-lethal form (if possible), wait for the vaccine.
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          And if you can’t create a vaccine in a year? In two years? A few years in self-isolation?
          1. Strannik_GO April 18 2020 13: 43 New
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            I’ll tell you a terrible secret - the virus is not treated, but translates into a sleeping form!, Treat diseases caused by this form of coronavirus, which can lead to death. but the virus remains in the body in a sleeping form (this is why tests show re-infection)
            We look forward to VACCINES, no other is given.
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              Quote: Strannik_GO
              I will tell you a terrible secret - the virus is not treated, but is translated into a sleeping form!

              This is what you learned from the Izvestia newspaper. Only there is not a statement, but one of the assumptions yes

              Quote: Strannik_GO
              the virus remains in the body in a sleeping form (this is why tests show re-infection)

              This is also only a hypothesis.

              Quote: Strannik_GO
              Strannik_GO

              You are a alarmist, not a wanderer.

              IMHO, of course ... but it really hurts like a truth request

              Quote: Strannik_GO
              War will be, to extermination! War, wakes up with the use of automated technology with little involvement of regular military personnel. Understand that a “violinist” is not needed, someone is not wakes up to capture us

              Well, for sure, an alarmist ... but I was really interested ...
    2. Overlock April 17 2020 17: 21 New
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      Let's get sick of ALL that would develop immunity in most infected

      but somewhere% 10 must die. What% do you want to be in? For some reason I want to not get sick at all.
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        And if everything is simultaneous, do you have the resources, all at once? Or do you want to put everyone in a dilemma: who should get IVL and who should die! But leave your Wishlist with you ..., I also want to be healthy and rich - but for some reason poor and sick.
    3. Golovan Jack April 18 2020 14: 30 New
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      Quote: Strannik_GO
      Analysis of information on coronavirus shows:

      And the source анализа can i find out? So, purely for seed?


      So for now, the hypothesis ...

      And your profession, if not difficult?
  • codetalker April 17 2020 15: 08 New
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    Again, these perplexities about all things known from kindergarten?) There are no oddities in the measures taken. There is a phenomenon - the spread of the coronovirus. Different groups have a different reaction to this phenomenon. Including the different groups involved in governing the country. Someone is really engaged in the fight against the epidemic, someone is creating visibility for the sake of PR, someone is trying to gain political weight in the framework of these events, and someone is sabotaging the infection control measures for various reasons. The "average" layman sees the sum of all these processes and measures seem strange, half-hearted, etc. to him. A citizen and patriot should be able to identify from this amount those processes that are beneficial and, conversely, those that harm. Identify the management entities that are responsible for them. And support within the framework of their capabilities those who act in a positive manner.
  • Mikhail m April 17 2020 15: 09 New
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    The time has come when legitimacy is opposed to rationality and justice. And if it only concerned the situation with coronavirus ...
  • nikvic46 April 17 2020 15: 56 New
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    Since the regional leaders have low organizational skills, they need government instructions for unforeseen cases. It’s unlikely that anyone will take it on their neck. In the running line I read "There is only one exit open at some metro stations. What distance can I talk about." Here on such trifles people become infected.
  • Maks1995 April 17 2020 15: 58 New
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    In general, again everything will be blamed on liberals, products, utilities and gasoline will rise in price ...
  • parusnik April 17 2020 16: 20 New
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    But take any average city and what do we see? Due to the reduction of buses on routes, public transport is crowded, at stops - queues
    ... Kaaaaaak !!? Can not be! But what about personal transportation? Have we become better? If you believe the statistics, then in Russia each family has two cars, or even three ... laughing In our town, private minibuses and they don’t go .. But you can’t run into a bakery by taxi .. laughing
  • Overlock April 17 2020 16: 31 New
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    law enforcement can act as a carrier of the disease?

    they just didn't think about it. As soon as it comes, calm down
    1. Gardamir April 17 2020 17: 10 New
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      . As soon as it comes, calm down

      1. Overlock April 17 2020 17: 24 New
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        On the net, one man wrote that he said so - the demons dragged into a pound
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          Quote: Overlock
          one man wrote that he said so, the demons dragged

          Well, do the tests ....
          Coronavirus patients - they are also with reduced brain activity
  • cniza April 17 2020 17: 08 New
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    In the Moscow metro - thousands of queues due to access control, but alone in a deserted park can be fined. The "stars" of show business call for self-isolation, but they themselves do not leave television. As a result, measures against a pandemic raise more and more questions.


    Little is known about the virus, apparently until it really shakes, but then it will be too late or is it a worldwide performance, which is unlikely.
  • Evgtan April 17 2020 17: 59 New
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    What are our terms for: - Self-isolation, then we come to self-torture and self-flagellation, self-supply, but what if the war; self defense
  • Vladimir61 April 17 2020 18: 01 New
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    If you believe the official statistics, Russia has come to one of the first places in terms of growth in the number of detected cases of COVID-19 per day - over 4 thousand cases per day. For comparison, the United States - 3674, Germany - 1566, Spain - 2132, South Korea - 22.
    As always, the fan is on! And why the statistics are not continued?
    USA - sick (667 801), deceased (32 916), cured (54 703);
    Germany - sick (137 698), deceased (4 052), cured (77 000);
    Spain - sick (184 948), deceased (19 315), cured (74 797);
    South Korea - sick (10 613), deceased (229), cured (7 757);
    Russia - sick (32), deceased (008), cured (273);
    1. Genry April 18 2020 09: 23 New
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      As always, the fan is on! Why statistics

      In addition, we calculate:
      USA - sick (667 801), deceased (32 916), cured (54 703) - mortality 37,6%
      Germany - sick (137 698), deceased (4 052), cured (77 000) - mortality 5,0%
      Spain - sick (184 948), deceased (19 315), cured (74 797) - mortality 20,5%
      South Korea - sick (10 613), deceased (229), cured (7 757) - mortality 2,9%
      Russia - sick (32), deceased (008), cured (273) - mortality 9,5%

      In the United States, some infected people died or recovered at home because they were not able to pay for medical services, therefore only the deceased have the correct number.
      It can be seen that the Germans more meticulously collected all the sick, which gave a milder mortality rate.
      Spain and Italy are something in between.
      South Korea is behind the wall.
      In Russia, people go to the doctor when it’s very bad - therefore, there are not enough registered survivors.
  • 3x3zsave April 17 2020 18: 15 New
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    And it would be okay to approach the apparently idly staggering groups of citizens, but they did stop lonely passers-by going to the store. What is the point if the same policeman can act as a carrier of the disease?
    So, after all, a “group of citizens” and “hang” can “sovereign servants” and “hide in an unknown direction”, grabbing a service weapon.
  • U-58 April 17 2020 18: 19 New
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    And what, I would sit at home a couple of weeks. Though I can take a breath, relax, put my thoughts in order, read a book.
    There it was .....
    At home, I and colleagues in a large enterprise sat from 30 to 5th.
    And from the 6th we work. Kakya, to the jesters isolation ?? !!
    And what about medicine? They released a lot of beds for a possible influx.
    And the equipment?
    I will not mention names and places, because the picture is the same everywhere: there is no equipment. The ventilation devices transferred to these departments are old, disassembled, broken. Is it possible to screw them up, will they work ????
    Doctors quit. Some out of fear for their lives, and some out of awareness of the catastrophic situation.
  • vladimirvn April 17 2020 19: 06 New
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    Coronavirus control plan in Russia:
    healthy - self-isolate
    sick - self-cure
    students to learn
    working - to self-distance
    unemployed - self-sufficiency
    hungry - eat oneself
    dead - self-accumulate
    dissatisfied - to shut up


    For future generations - in any epidemic, first isolate idiots.
  • aglet April 17 2020 20: 21 New
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    3. Well, there’s an option from the realm of fiction, if energy resources are completely worthless, they’ll steal the Stabilization Fund under the auspices of the fight against the virus.

    why fanatic? Are you sure that he is still there, this stabilization fund? gold is taken to London by planes, aren't there firewood from there?
    1. U-58 April 17 2020 20: 49 New
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      In fact, the stabilization fund ended 3 years ago. And this is not state secret.
      In stock, a national welfare fund of 12,1 trillion.
      At the same time, over the past 5 days, the West began to discuss a possible loan by Russia of 1 trillion rubles. Own something for "their"
  • Amper April 17 2020 20: 43 New
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    [quote = Overlock] [quote = paul3390] Doctors Death - Madame Arbidol? [/ quote]
    she now has a different nickname! From the expanses of the web ... [center][/ c
    Is this one of the reasons for the pandemic1? Atu her!
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    As of April 17.04.20, 0,01, 0,1% of the population of the Russian Federation are officially sick, we have the same in our city. Let's increase it by an order of magnitude - 1%. Mortality of 0,1% according to official data or 0,1%, taking into account the order. (Not the fact that the virus) The disease of XNUMX% of the population stopped life in the country ....!? The hysteria of power just got it. Professional doctors correctly say - .. if the stars are lit, it means that someone needs it!
  • aglet April 17 2020 21: 46 New
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    self-fine

    self-fine !!! class
  • aglet April 17 2020 21: 58 New
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    Of course, it’s the authorities’s fault that lovers of traveling abroad come back and walk around shopping centers, go to guests instead of 2 weeks of isolation and infect passers-by and

    so the authorities themselves infect: https: //www.rbc.ru/society/21/03/2020/5e754df89a794720683ebb6b there they still bashfully remain silent about the FSB general who traveled with her to Spain and awarded his fighters with a virus
  • depressant April 17 2020 22: 09 New
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    Today I decided to break the regime of self-isolation. Firstly, garbage accumulated more than a week ago. I packed each of his daily servings in a plastic bag, tied them tightly, put them in a bucket, covered with a package with the logo of the Five inside, and then covered the bucket with the same package, experiencing from these actions a dreary inner feeling that you can only call squeamishness. Secondly, ground coffee ended, and only two packs of cigarettes remained. Pulling on my mask and surgical gloves, I walked out the doorway with trepidation of soul, and then entered the street. The wind nearly knocked me down, the snow covered my eyes, but I managed to reach the garbage cans.
    And life was in full swing! A few days ago everyone was wearing masks, and today I was a black sheep, and people began to smile, looking at my masquerade. Then, with a ton of precautions, I entered the store. The saleswomen chatted animatedly, and everything looked as if it was last April in the yard. Having bought coffee and cigarettes, breathed in the fresh wind, and no longer correcting the lost mask, I returned home slightly revived. Lord How tired of self-isolation!
    The number of coronavirus infected in our urban district is growing rapidly. Yandex said it was already over a hundred.
  • Skarpzd April 18 2020 03: 36 New
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    Coronovirus is not a plague, and not even a Spanish woman.

    Yes. I agree. much worse. the actions of a huge number of leaders cause displeasure, but simply dumbfounded. a huge number of all kinds of pozilovki from different levels. mmm. I have all kinds of telegrams, instructions and other regulations for a month and a half - 16-plus centimeters only in print !!!! there were no indications except from a society of ski cycling enthusiasts. several magazines have entered binding. I measure the temperature of each employee before the start of the shift. airing log. appointment by order of the person responsible for this scumbag ventilation. a magazine for issuing PPE in which I heroically entered all issued 2 (per person) masks per month. and 1 pair of gloves ..... and 2 ml more. antiseptics per person per day. and I report it every day on selectors of all kinds. my man got sick here. pressure. went to sick leave. so they even called me from Moscow - but did he get sick with something? and can he provide a certificate that he really has hypertension and not this bastard virus? the madhouse is shorter. my peasants do not pronounce the word "coronavirus" with me. pisses off. warned - from whom I hear, the tests for PTE pass the boot. hold on for now. all the same, for the PTE railwayman it’s worse than the coronavirus ... for a long time, just?
  • avdkrd April 18 2020 05: 16 New
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    The author is right and voiced the "thin" places that former Ukrainian experts on TV shows do not give answers to. They are already drilling holes for orders for selflessness. The authorities are lying and I hope that according to the adopted law, those who are nightmares at the moment will be responsible. The measures taken are not based on scientific and statistical data. The danger of kv is repeatedly inflated and police measures can justify anything, but not an epidemic. If these are truly pandemics, then the actions of the authorities are generally criminal.
    At the moment, police measures can only provide control over the movement of people and the concentration of their organized groups. This does not apply to the epidemic; it refers to an emergency, which, oddly enough, has not been introduced.
    Unfortunately, we can only guess what the purpose of these measures is.
    1. External threat in the format of hybrid databases
    2. The threat of a coup
    3. The coup
    It’s just a comparison of facts when, for example, the anal edge is closed for full quarantine (without the introduction of an emergency), while relative relief is introduced inside the essentially created enclave. Sources of mythical infection are not stopped (chain stores and fairs), but new ones are added (churches are open to the public). It’s sur, if the anal governor fights against the square, but it’s normal if the goals are to impede the movement and penetration of dangerous ones (for example, battle groups).
    I understand perfectly well that for a normal (non-occupational) government, it cannot be the goal of transferring a country to a regime that destroys civil rights (in violation of the Constitutional Code) and the economy, and the supply is very high. For me, what is happening does not fit with the Guarantor of the constitution, which announced the introduction of amendments as a whole adopted by society and what began to happen later. Zeroing, violation of constitutional rights to movement (without emergency) and what is interesting is the transfer of powers to governors. The latter does not fit at all, taking into account the fact that since 2000 there has been a systematic centralization, with a very clear cutoff of their functionality.
    I can be mistaken. Just an analysis.
  • NordUral April 18 2020 10: 55 New
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    In addition, as expected, the authorities with pleasure introduced police measures, but practically did not provide the population with real social support.

    To spend and not let go is almost all activity.
    Why restrict people who walk alone on the street?
    But in time to close the borders on exit and entry. Immediately upon arrival in the country - in strict quarantine, and not in self-isolation, etc.
    And providing masks, like insurance against infection of another. But there are no masks. I only bought four pieces once. But I interrupt, I go out onto the street alone, and I disinfect the masks with ultraviolet and ozonize.

    Judging by the statistics, we are still ahead.
  • Pavel57 April 20 2020 18: 08 New
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    I heard today such an apocalyptic version of what is happening - we are being taught that the coronavirus is scary. Further, Americans offer the world a solution - vaccination. And in the vaccine lay a deferred battle virus. And yet, one billion remains, but not simple, but gold.