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Bulgarian Prime Minister: The construction of the Balkan Stream is in full swing

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Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov inspected the construction of the Balkan Stream gas pipeline. Together with him was the director of Bulgartransgaz, Vladimir Malinov.


They circled a plot under construction by helicopter near the Rasovo compressor station in the northwestern part of the country.

Boyko Borisov was pleased with the results of the inspection, noting the high pace of work:

The work goes on full speed, contrary to quarantine.

He also drew attention to the fact that construction is ongoing quickly and in compliance with all safety measures.

Now the pipe-laying is completed on a 220-kilometer stretch. At the same time, welding work has already been completed at 150 kilometers of the pipeline.

In Bulgaria, at the same time, laying is being carried out in 10 sections of the Balkan Stream. Its total length across the country will be 474 kilometers. In fact, the Balkan Stream is a continuation of the Turkish Stream, although according to the documents it is considered the "object of expanding the gas transport infrastructure" of the Bulgartransgaz company.

The author of the name “Balkan Stream” was Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov. He considers this project a very profitable investment:

We are making a very good investment, thanks to which Bulgaria will play a key role in the gas distribution and delivery of natural gas to Europe for decades.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 April 17 2020 11: 10 New
    +5
    Нажим со стороны "гегемона" ослаб? Надо пользоваться моментом.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 17 2020 11: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      Нажим со стороны "гегемона" ослаб? Надо пользоваться моментом.

      Let them deal with the virus at home, and the longer, the better. Maybe they will stick their striped nose into all holes less.
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 17 2020 11: 19 New
        +5
        Yes, from some holes they may not even be pulled out ...
    2. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 11: 50 New
      +4
      Нажим со стороны "гегемона" ослаб? Надо пользоваться моментом.

      No push, all the rules. The project meets the 3EPR standards and is even financed by Western banks.
      1. nznz
        nznz April 18 2020 12: 03 New
        0
        and what prevented this? no one understood the benefits? don't tell my slippers
        1. pytar
          pytar April 18 2020 12: 54 New
          -1
          and what prevented this? no one understood the benefits?

          когда "до этого"? как только газпром принял условия еврокомисии, проект начали реализировать. выгодно для ЕС, менше для газпрому, но тут територия евросоюза, он определяет условиях.
          don't tell my slippers

          you have funny slippers ... okay, let them laugh ... I don't mind laughing
          1. nznz
            nznz April 19 2020 07: 41 New
            0
            read here .. if you evaluate Bulgaria’s overall policy towards the Russian gas business, it all comes down to one thought. Bulgaria is independent, it makes decisions that its big brother tells her. At the same time, it doesn’t forget its benefit, which is understandable and not condemned. But in what ways? By blackmailing as described in the article. Probably this is the norm in the cruel world of business. But then we have to decide finally, who are we? Brothers who have been killed on Shipka in tens of thousands, or are we enemies you always fought against in all wars? I’m sad that the stupid idea of ​​internationalism is driven into the heads of Russians by Lenin, Trotsky and other Gussians, who don’t defend their own ... in the framework of the theory of the pre-eminent revolution, it still sits firmly in the heads of the leadership. Although more successful leaders already prompted Russia with two allies, the army and navy. How much is swallowed up in the social camp by lenegh and not in the social camp .. with this money you can make Russia up to 4 tribes .. from the Aswan dam which Egypt built for free, to many other investments .. therefore the indigenous population of Russia is still poor ... tolerate, as was believed. All of you are tired of it. And you, by inertia, you probably think that Russians will face off, they will wipe off. I'm sorry, a new generation has grown up, they already have their own shirt closer to their bodies, I hope this will be useful for us, for the people. And you play dangerous games .Smallly spoiling Russia at the suggestion, you believe that sticking a stick into a bear’s den can be endless. I feel sorry for you. Everything has changed a long time ago.

            https://politikus.ru/articles/politics/93776-bolgariya-shantazhiruet-gazprom-radi-yuzhnogo-potoka.html
            1. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 11: 10 New
              +1
              read here .. if you evaluate the overall policy of Bulgaria in relation to the Russian gas business, then it all comes down to one thought.

              Dear Igor, stats like this have a purpose not to tell about the truth, but to hide it! Since there are many such people in Russia, I understand why most of you do not have the slightest idea of ​​the true situation! I say how a person who worked 4 years on the UP project, and also in the moment I work on BP. I honestly feel sorry for you, how wildly you are intoxicated!
              Using blackmail as described in the article. This is probably the norm in the cruel world of business.

              Газпром олигархический конгломерат. Пользуяс своего монополного положения он сдирал с нам по 3 шкуры! Мы не имея альтернатива покупали газ дороже в 2 раза, чем на биржах. Сейчас это изменилось. У нас с НГ цена на газ упала в 2 раза! Не пытайте иллюзии - Газпром отнюд не является ваше "национальное достояние"! Все у вас давно приватизированно узкого круга вокруг власти, как и иностранными бизнес - акулами!
              But then we have to decide finally, who are we? Brothers who have been killed on Shipka in tens of thousands, or are we enemies you always fought against in all wars?

              Вот я на пальцы обыясню: Сечин, Милерр, Дерипаска, "ваша" политическия элита и проч, никакие нам не братушки! Они и вам не братья! Когда величайший Император Александр II освобождал Болгарии, он не делал это из за превдороссийского оригархата правящий вашу страну в 21 век!
              How much is swollen in the social camp of lenegh and not in the social camp .. with this money you can make Russia Russia up to 4 tribes .. therefore the indigenous population of Russia is still poor ..

              There are no social camps for 30 years! By logic, you should have got rich for that time! Is it so? I regularly visit Russia for long periods of time. I don’t notice anything! Only oligarchs are embittered! The people are impoverished! Not because of the past 30 years, but because of the vicious present, which has become a reality in your country! You have capitalism in its worst form!
              And you play dangerous games. It’s foolish for you to tell Russia that you can stick a stick into the bear’s den endlessly. I feel sorry for you. Everything has changed a long time ago.

              Not seeing the beam in your eyes, picking on straws in strangers, you are doomed to be entangled in the fog of self-deception. I still believe that sooner or later the wind will be warm and will blow away all your errors imposed by oligarchic propaganda!
    3. iouris
      iouris April 17 2020 11: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Sergey39
      We must use the moment.

      There used to be times! And now only the moments.
    4. vadim dok
      vadim dok April 17 2020 15: 09 New
      +2
      It’s just that gas for Bulgaria has become VERY cheap, and soon it will become cheaper, because. gas in the European market costs about $ 84 thousand cubic meters. And everything is going down!
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 17 2020 11: 16 New
    -1
    Golden times for the Turks. And in the east, the army does what it wants, and ... now the Balkans can be tamed with energy.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 17 2020 11: 19 New
      +6
      sunrise of the New Ottoman Empire ??
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 17 2020 11: 24 New
        -2
        Well, if not an empire, then a regional superpower for sure. Even Iran will not be able to compete with Turkey on equal terms.
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 17 2020 11: 29 New
          +7
          edren loaf will lead itself, and the Turks do not dance
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 April 17 2020 12: 00 New
      +4
      They are also brazenly developing, under the umbrella of the Navy. The Greeks only bite their elbows and write in Brussels sportloto. Türkiye Petrolleri fleet began to develop the second position already. Fatih and Yavuz work - Avax, F-16, Perry and Turkish corvettes fly to them on the spot + provide wiring for auxiliary ships. The Greeks opened the last wiring from the UAV on April 14 and also wrote in sportloto wassat .


      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 17 2020 12: 02 New
        -1
        The right of the strong!
        And the cries of the weak ..
        And the answer is, why spend money on the navy.
        1. major147
          major147 April 18 2020 21: 23 New
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          Quote: Doccor18
          The right of the strong!
          And the cries of the weak ..

          Snot weak .... lol
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 17 2020 11: 17 New
    12
    Вы бы сделали хорошие инвестиции еще несколько лет назад на "Южном потоке" и уже заработали не мало на транзите если бы не легли под американцев. Зачем сегодня-то так высокопарно заявлять.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 17 2020 11: 20 New
      +9
      you have to do a good face, even with a bad game
    2. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 11: 54 New
      -11
      Вы бы сделали хорошие инвестиции еще несколько лет назад на "Южном потоке" и уже заработали не мало на транзите если бы не легли под американцев. Зачем сегодня-то так высокопарно заявлять.

      Would not have earned anything, would have gone bankrupt. You cannot build a pipe to Europe if it does not want it. It turns out a pipe worth nowhere myardi dollars! Get the idea that the seller dictates the conditions! Conditions under market conditions dictated by a customer tobish EU! hi
      1. iouris
        iouris April 17 2020 12: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        Conditions under market conditions dictated by a customer tobish EU!

        The EU is no longer quite a client.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 17 2020 12: 04 New
        +6
        Get out of your head ...
        Судя по всему из вашей головы успели много выбить, т.к. вы даже не знаете тех условий для Болгарии, которые предлагались при запуске "Южного потока". Почему тогда ваш президент извинялся перед нашим за действия Болгарии и надеялся, что "старший брат простит младшего"? hi
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 12: 48 New
          -5
          Судя по всему из вашей головы успели много выбить, т.к. вы даже не знаете тех условий для Болгарии, которые предлагались при запуске "Южного потока".

          Dear Gennady, I have been working with the Bulgarian side on the project for 4 years, working on BP for the most part. I assure you, I know a lot of things that you do not know and not how you know!
          The thing is this: in the EU, Gazprom does not determine the conditions, but the EU! Bulgaria, this is the territory of the EU!
          Почему тогда ваш президент извинялся перед нашим за действия Болгарии и надеялся, что "старший брат простит младшего"?

          Borisov is not the president, but the prime minister! We are a parliamentary republic! Borisov apologized, since he probably did not do everything possible for UP to become a fact! Both sides are to blame - Bulgarian and Russian! Toka Borisov had the honor and valor, admit his part as guilty, but there is no GDP ... hi
          1. Maz
            Maz April 17 2020 14: 29 New
            +2
            I do not pity you, I pity our soldiers who saved you from the Turks in the 19th century and lay down on passes and fields. And your position reminds me very much of the position of Ukraine and its titular nationalists.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 14: 58 New
              -2
              I do not pity you, I pity our soldiers who saved you from the Turks in the 19th century and lay down on passes and fields.

              I do not feel sorry for you, I am sorry that many of you were unworthy of your ancestors! you going hundreds of thousands to sunbathe on our beaches do not bother to come to the monuments of our ancestors, to honor them, to put flowers!
              And your position reminds me very much of the position of Ukraine and its titular nationalists.

              Украинский кризис нанес вам тежелые увечения в мышления. Все вам "напоминает" Украина! Я понимаю... yes
              1. major147
                major147 April 18 2020 21: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: pytar
                Украинский кризис нанес вам тежелые увечения в мышления. Все вам "напоминает" Украина! Я понимаю...

                I assure you, we look at Ukraine as a panopticon of idiots and the situation in Ukraine is a confirmation of this.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 18 2020 23: 05 New
                  0
                  I assure you, we look at Ukraine as a panopticon of idiots and the situation in Ukraine is a confirmation of this.

                  If you take them like that, you cannot constantly look at them. It may turn out to be contagious. Some of you become mirror-like. bully
                  1. major147
                    major147 April 19 2020 10: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    I assure you, we look at Ukraine as a panopticon of idiots and the situation in Ukraine is a confirmation of this.

                    If you take them like that, you cannot constantly look at them. It may turn out to be contagious. Some of you become mirror-like. bully

                    Честно Вам сказать, они нам нахрен не нужны. Но у них с нами "война" и они постоянно напоминают о себе.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar April 19 2020 11: 26 New
                      0
                      Честно Вам сказать, они нам нахрен не нужны. Но у них с нами "война" и они постоянно напоминают о себе.

                      Знаете, у нас есть одинаковая проблема с т.н. "великие македонцы". Вирус "украинизации" 1х1 идентичный с вируса "македонизма". Дам вам ссылку на статию греческого историка, который сравнивает подходов Болгарии и России в данной ситуации! Думаю вам будет интересно прочитать! hi
                      https://hurtmann.livejournal.com/841715.html
                      1. major147
                        major147 April 19 2020 17: 57 New
                        +2
                        Quote: pytar
                        https://hurtmann.livejournal.com/841715.html

                        Да, ситуация один в один. Русским в придуманной стране Украине говорят, что они украинцы, сербам - что они черногорцы, болгарам - что они македонцы! "Разделяй и властвуй!" (с) Кому это выгодно? Только не славянам.
                      2. major147
                        major147 April 19 2020 18: 05 New
                        0
                        I advise you to watch the famous Maidan video on YouTube, with the shocking title "We Will Never Be Brothers." Here a pretty Russian girl, with a good syllable in her native Russian language, explains to the Russians that she is no longer Russian. Several million people have already watched it.


                        So it sounded on the Maidan:

                        We will never be brothers
                        neither in the homeland, nor in the mother.
                        You have no spirit to be free -
                        we will not even become consolidated with you.

                        You have christened yourself "elders" -
                        we would be younger, but not yours.
                        There are so many of you, but, sorry, faceless.
                        You are huge, we are great.

                        And you press ... you are all wrinkling,
                        you choke on your envy.
                        Will - a word unfamiliar to you,
                        you are all chained from childhood.

                        At your place “silence is gold”,
                        and we have Molotov cocktails
                        Yes, our blood is hot in our hearts
                        what are you to us for the "relative" blind?

                        And we all have fearless eyes
                        without weapons we are dangerous.
                        Grown up and become bold
                        snipers have everything at gunpoint.

                        The executioners put us on our knees -
                        we rebelled and corrected everything.
                        And in vain rats hide, pray -
                        they wash their blood.

                        New directions will be sent to you -
                        and here we have the lights of rebellion.
                        You have the Tsar, we have the Democracy.
                        We will never be brothers.

                        Anastasia Dmitruk
                      3. major147
                        major147 April 19 2020 18: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: major147
                        Anastasia Dmitruk


                        But less than two years later, the disappointment came, which resulted in these verses:



                        Now the disappointment is even deeper.
                      4. pytar
                        pytar April 19 2020 19: 15 New
                        0
                        Я вот что думаю по этом поводе: Брат, хоть и "заболел на всю голову", родным братом остается! Пройдет время, вылечится, осознает что наделал! Надо к него относится, как с тежело заболевший родственник! С сочувствим, любовь и заботу! Так поступает мудрый! Зло не лечися со зла! Только с добра! hi
          2. Gennady Fomkin
            Gennady Fomkin April 19 2020 19: 08 New
            -1
            Boyan don't flatter yourself The gas war is yet to come.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 19: 42 New
              0
              Quite possible! Although it seems to me that global climate change is coming soon, and the situation will change dramatically. I suppose they will suffer harder than Zap. Europe and the USA. I personally do not believe that Russia, following the path that it is now moving on, will be able to catch up and overtake the West! But the West may well collapse, and will be behind Russia if the planet is destroyed! By the way, I was shy to you by default answered. I do not approve of your behavior Gennady, and do not read your posts.
        2. iouris
          iouris April 17 2020 16: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Maz
          And your position reminds me very much of the position of Ukraine and its titular nationalists.

          "Не лучше ль на себя, кума, оборотиться?" (дедушка Крылов)
          С чего это Вы сделали столь радикальное заявление? Вам весьма подробно и доходчиво объясняют, что Болгария - это ЕС. Добавлю от себя, что ЕС - это Германия, а Германия оккупирована. Подозревать, что "Газпром" независим от ЕС и США, тоже нет фундаментальных оснований. Учитесь слышать аргументы, представляёте свои (если у Вас их есть). Фанатам место на футбольном матче. Кстати, их них часто вербуют экстремистов.
        3. Maksim
          Maksim April 17 2020 23: 36 New
          -2
          Quote: Maz
          I feel sorry for our soldiers who saved you from the Turks in the 19th century and lay down on passes and fields.

          And I am sorry for those monks who taught you to write and read. But he didn’t return, but they wrote now with ancient Russian runes.
  4. ccsr
    ccsr April 17 2020 12: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: pytar
    Would not have earned anything, would have gone bankrupt. You cannot build a pipe to Europe if it does not want it.

    The Germans, of course, are more stupid than the Bulgarians, since they led the second branch to themselves - who would doubt it ...
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 12: 50 New
      -2
      The Germans, of course, are more stupid than the Bulgarians, since they led the second branch to themselves - who would doubt it ...

      Your post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the difference between both projects! According to the rules of the joint venture, UP could be built without problems! The Russian Federation did not agree and in my opinion made a major mistake. hi
      1. CSKA
        CSKA April 17 2020 13: 31 New
        +8
        Quote: pytar
        The Russian Federation did not agree and in my opinion made a major mistake.

        Interesting you get. That is, the Russian Federation is to blame for the fact that Bulgaria could not decide for a long time on the South Stream?
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 13: 49 New
          +2
          Either I am expressing myself vaguely or you do not understand that! Okay, write to me ... laughing
          Following the decisions of the European Commission (they are binding), Bulgaria continued to work for another year and a half, after Putin’s refusal of the Russian Federation declared. We offered Gazprom different options for refining the project, but Gazprom was silent. By the way, the Balkan stream, the same UP itself, but already reduced to the requirements of the European Commission. So ... the project took place, though not on the terms of Gazprom ... hi
          1. CSKA
            CSKA April 18 2020 12: 00 New
            +9
            Quote: pytar
            Either I am expressing myself vaguely or you do not understand that!

            In 2014, Bulgaria, at the insistence of the European Commission, halted work on the project twice (in June and then in August). On June 8, Bulgarian Prime Minister Plamen Oresharski, after meeting with American congressmen, announced the suspension of work “until the comments of the European Commission are eliminated.” What a coincidence.)))) Therefore, on December 1, construction was already abandoned. Today, the European Commission will tell you, tomorrow a senator from the United States. So he asks why we need this. On this I ask again:
            Quote: pytar
            Russia did not agree and in my opinion made a major mistake

            Where is the mistake? Now you are not a hub, but Turkey, and therefore you don’t like it and you say that it’s like our mistake.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 18 2020 12: 48 New
              0
              In 2014, Bulgaria, at the insistence of the European Commission, halted work on the project twice (in June and then in August) ...

              Stopping and refusing are two different things. Russia refused, we continued to work.
              Today, the European Commission will tell you, tomorrow a senator from the United States.

              The European Commission has already pronounced. It supports the project, European banks finance it. Everything is consistent. The USA may be dissatisfied, but they cannot stop the construction; moreover, American banks are also involved. If there was a threat, they would not take risks.
              So he asks why we need this.

              Yes, everything is simple! Gazprom needs to sell its gas somewhere! Money needed! Through Bulgaria, it turns out more profitable, in fact, this is the only reasonable option. Moreover, the European Commission obliged Gazprom to transport gas through Bulgaria.
              Where is the mistake? Now you are not a hub, but Turkey, and therefore you don’t like it and you say that it’s like our mistake.

              So say many Russian experts. Turkey has always been geopolitically, is and will be a risky country for Russia. No matter how you like it, Bulgaria remains a hub; it was not possible to get around it. You can’t deceive geography. Moreover, the Balkan Stream is being built as part of the general gas transport system of Bulgaria. We have 80% of all pumping stations in the Balkans. During the project of the gas super-hub of the Balkans, near Varna, a pipe from Greece and the LNG terminal in Alexandroupoli are already working! Bulgaria acquired 25% of this terminal. Turkey is also a hub, again due to geography. What is the mistake of Russia? Political - it was impossible to give so much leverage into Erdogan’s hands. Economic - Balkan stream, this is the very South stream, but processed on the terms of the European Union. So why was it necessary to make faces and show off if Gazprom finally accepted the terms of the European Commission? Yes, they would have taken it, so they processed the South Stream, it would work normally! We offered Gazprom such an option!
              1. CSKA
                CSKA April 18 2020 13: 49 New
                +6
                Quote: pytar
                Stopping and refusing are two different things. Russia refused, we continued to work.

                Well, that's why they refused because of the suspension of constant and Bulgaria's dependence on decisions from outside.
                Quote: pytar
                uttered

                )))) I did not understand what the word was.
                Quote: pytar
                It supports the project, European banks finance it. Everything is consistent. The USA may be dissatisfied, but they cannot stop the construction; moreover, American banks are also involved. If there was a threat, they would not take risks.

                Well, it’s now, but at that time it was not clear when Bulgaria would be allowed to build the pipeline.
                Quote: pytar
                Yes, everything is simple! Gazprom needs to sell its gas somewhere! Money needed! Through Bulgaria, it turns out more profitable, in fact, this is the only reasonable option. Moreover, the European Commission obliged Gazprom to transport gas through Bulgaria.

                Well, in this I do not argue with you. It is beneficial for us to transport gas through Bulgaria to the Balkans. Only if earlier we were mutually beneficial for you to directly supply you, now they will supply you from Turkey.
                Quote: pytar
                So say many Russian experts.

                Let's only without unfounded stories about experts. Have you conducted a survey among all Russian experts?
                Quote: pytar
                Turkey has always been geopolitically, is and will be a risky country for Russia

                We have disagreements with Turkey, but they both bought and will buy gas.
                Quote: pytar
                No matter how you like it, Bulgaria remains a hub; it was not possible to get around it.

                Why did you get that I don’t like it and why did you get that the Russian Federation wanted to get around Bulgaria? From the very beginning it was said that they were planning to continue the gas pipeline from Turkey to Bulgaria.
                Quote: pytar
                You can’t deceive geography

                Well, actually, if you really wanted it, it would be possible through Greece and Macedonia.
                Quote: pytar
                Political - it was impossible to give so much leverage into Erdogan’s hands

                Well, you probably say that because you would like to be the only hub in cases of South Stream construction.
                Quote: pytar
                Economic - Balkan stream, this is the very South stream, but processed on the terms of the European Union.

                ))))) That's just not. From the South Stream gas would directly go to Bulgaria, and only then to the Balkan Stream. And so now he comes from the Turkish stream.
                Quote: pytar
                So why was it necessary to make faces and show off if Gazprom finally accepted the terms of the European Commission?

                Then, what then because of the European Commission delayed the construction of the South Stream. And so as not to continue to engage in useless chatter, we agreed with Turkey, which does not need any European Commission permissions to build a gas pipeline to its territory. They are more independent in their decisions than you.
                Boyan, admit already that it is only you who are to blame for the fact that the South Stream has not been built, since you are so much dependent on decision-making. Us that Turkish, that Southern are equally beneficial. All these tales about the European Commission are understandable, but you haven’t noticed the coincidence that the problems with the European Commission began just in 2014?
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 18 2020 16: 43 New
                  0
                  Well, that's why they refused because of the suspension of constant and Bulgaria's dependence on decisions from outside.

                  So let's be correct! Russia refused, right? Priyachny - indicated verbatim in the statement of GDP in December 2014 - "...неконструктивной позиции Еврокомисии и отсуствия разрешение на строительства из Болгарии..." What it means "зависит от решения извне"? Bulgaria is a member of the EU, we are committed to comply with the laws of the union! In the Russian Federation, its own laws, in the EU! In contracts with Gazprom, it is spelled out like clauses about force majeure!
                  uttered -)))) I did not understand what the word was.

                  She spoke out, uttered, gave an order, resolution, decision on an incident.
                  but at that time it was not clear when Bulgaria would be allowed to build the pipeline.

                  It was clear - when they bring the project in accordance with res. EC.
                  Let's only without unfounded stories about experts. Have you conducted a survey among all Russian experts?

                  There are many experts and they have different opinions. In my personal opinion, Krutikhin is one of the best. In Germany, there is an expert who predicted the situation back in 2014; everything came true 100%. Somewhere I put links to his publications.
                  We have disagreements with Turkey, but they both bought and will buy gas.

                  Initially, the TP was to have 4 branches, at the insistence of Erdogan there were 2. There are disagreements, puts the Turks in a more favorable position, not a smart decision.
                  Well, actually, if you really wanted it, it would be possible through Greece and Macedonia.

                  In spite of Bulgaria, it was possible to go through the south pole, but the money was above all ... They talked about Greece a few months earlier, but it was dust in the eyes. Look at the map...

                  There was no point in putting another transit country in the way. Going further in Macedonia to Serbia, there was no point! 1. Greece is an EU country and there 1x1 the same rules as in Bulgaria. 2. Land subject to alienation for the highway in Greece is several times more expensive than in Bulgaria. 3.Teren, especially through Macedonia and southern Serbia, are alpine. It’s more difficult to dig there, the real length due to the relief is greater. 4. Having reached Serbia, then where? Next Hungary, there is also the EU, and the EU also indicated that the entrance should be through Bulgaria! To Greece and further to Serbia, there could only be a local diversion! 5. Turkey has a difficult relationship with Greece, Erdogan immediately and without persuasion agreed, for the direction to Bulgaria. By the way, Borisov and Putin in March 2019 discussed options to go directly to Burgas or Varna. Borisov insisted on Varna, and Putin on Burgas. We didn’t agree, but I would have to examine the bottom of the World Cup.
                  Well, you probably say that because you would like to be the only hub in cases of South Stream construction.

                  Sergey, we are now in the Southeast EU, we are the only hub. Outside the borders of the EU, who is there, what kind of hub, hub, map, we do not care.
                  BP, this is UP, redesigned on EU terms. - That's just not. From UP, gas would go directly to the BG, and only then to the BP. And so now he does with TP.

                  1. South stream, this is one pipe from Varna to Austria, then there was no Balkan stream. 2. Would act, and then where ...? Dead end! Why do we, why do you need a pipe to nowhere?
                  ... because of the EC delayed ... UP. ... agreed with Turkey, which does not need any permission from the European Commission ... They are more independent in their decisions than you.

                  "Самостоятельность" весьма условное понятие. Зависит от конкретных интересах стран. Для нас в интересах соблюдать законов ЕС, у турки свои интересый.
                  Boyan, yes, admit already that only you yourself are to blame for the fact that the UP is not built, since you are very dependent on decision-making. Us that Turkish, that Southern are equally beneficial.

                  Я вообще не вижу вина ни о кого! Весь этот пропагандны вой о "вине", имеет совершенно другая подоплека! Имиджовая! Кстати ВВП не раз заявлял что ЮП выгоднее и РФ и БГ, но не учел факт, что Болгария как член ЕС имеет свои интересый, разные российским.
                  All these tales about the EC are understandable, but you just didn’t notice the coincidence that the problems with the EC started just in 2014?

                  Well, it’s understandable, the crisis in Ukraine, sanctions ... Another interesting detail is that as soon as the GDP offended Bulgaria, the Bulgarian-Russian campaign generously sponsored by Gazprom and Russian forums started! Still going on!
                  I apologize, the post was too long for me! hi
                  1. nznz
                    nznz April 19 2020 08: 23 New
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                    in the little things you can wipe anything. I don’t put it forward and do not go for the role of an expert. But there is a logic. The logic for today is that in the world (Europe) there are two forces that are fighting for commerce in the region. For now, we will postpone it, it will be in other regions it takes away from the USA (and Russia). so -2 superpowers are fighting economically. No matter how insulting it may sound, all the rest are just extras in this fight. Extras are faced with an eternal task, whose side to take. There are countries that pursue policies (all like people) understandable, clear without wobbles and meanness. For example, Serbia. Such a position causes respect and appreciation, regardless of the usefulness of such a policy for Russia. Unfortunately, the course of Bulgaria from kisses to a hickey with Brezhnev (it was possible to limit handshakes) and frank servility was replaced by the opposite. Trump does not allow kissing in a hickey, he pats on the shoulder, which is higher than any awards for extras. Bulgaria has been replaced by a master, it sounds very unpleasant, but it is.
                    The main question is with regard to the master to Bulgaria. If we all were told in the USSR that a Bulgarian, a Slav, practically a brother, that our grandfathers saved Bulgaria from the Turkish 700-year yoke, we thought so, for the most part. If they asked me 40 years ago, whoever is closest to us in Europe would instantly call Bulgaria.
                    You have all betrayed, this attitude towards you, the Slavic brotherhood, your own story. And here you will teach us that they themselves are to blame. It's like in a joke-dava crest, one says to the other, let's go beat Muscovites? Let's go to! And if they beat us? And us for what? and here you are trying to pull an owl on the globe, explaining to us that this is a business, that you are the EU and nothing more, nothing personal. Your reproach that we do not decorate our monuments with flowers. Why? Because we have in the wound of such monuments to the soldiers who died for their own and someone else’s house, thousands. Russia put a lot of its sons during the liberation of some Slavs from the Turks, then others from the Nazis. There is where to put it, there is not always enough time for overseas. Yes, and a beach holiday, he is still specific, a beach hotel. Largely, your tour industry was flourishing because the Russians went, the money brought you. It is sinful to link the rest with respect for the heroes. It seems to me that you also have gratitude and the flowers should always be there.
                    Because it is YOU freed. This is your country that appeared as an independent unit after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. For 700 years you were slaves of the Turks. During this period, you have borrowed a lot from them. How could you fight against the liberator? This is commensurate with your reproach about flowers. ?? ! Sorry to say this today, but I think Russia should not rush to release all the enslaved next time, they do not appreciate it. The slaves have a psychology such that they remember they need to be humiliated even more.
                    Bulgaria has not yet got rid of slave habits, licking the hand of the one who seems to her the boss today. The virus clarified a lot. The Russians would go to save the Bulgarians, the states most likely would just give a damn. Here and the whole humanism. The more outspoken haters of Russia are already moaning, it's Pro (there should be a letter E, but I'm afraid of the moderator, I’ll determine it in the punishment cell again). The Baltic countries are already reaping the fruits, collecting stones. Everything that will interfere with Russia will be circumvented (nothing to do with it), and it’s done according to anyone. Only short-sighted people don’t see this, your prime minister understands something and therefore arrives. fly in. Only charity is over. For everything you have to pay exorbitantly.
                  2. pytar
                    pytar April 19 2020 11: 50 New
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                    Igor, excuse me, but not only do you not recognize reality, but you don’t even understand history ...
                    There are countries that pursue policies (all like people) understandable, clear without wobbles and meanness. For example, Serbia. Such a position causes respect and appreciation, regardless of the usefulness of such a policy for Russia.

                    In the SFRY, the very same Serbs looked at you and me from above, because they were the West, and we are behind the East in their opinion! Serbia if the Yugoslav wars did not happen, the first would join NATO and the EU! Even now they are conducting exercises with NATO members, and they are also candidates for the EU! According to a survey conducted by the Bureau of Social Research in Belgrade, 45,5% of Serbs support their country's EU membership, while only 17% of respondents preferred joining the EAEU.
                    In general, you have an established mythology about Serbs in Russia!
                    If I were asked about 40 years ago, who is closest to us in Europe would instantly call Bulgaria.

                    Now 73% of the Bulgarians feel sympathy for Russia, and in Russia, only 4% of Russians sympathize with the Bulgarians.
                    https://politexpert.net/184542-v-bolgarii-obyasnili-samyi-vysokii-v-mire-uroven-lyubvi-k-rossii-i-putinu?utm_source=politobzor.net
                    http://katyusha.org/view?id=12705&utm_source=politobzor.net
                    This is what hate propaganda and the search for the enemy did in Russia. The enemy is not outside of Russia, he has settled inside!
                    The virus clarified a lot. The Russians would go to save the Bulgarians, the states most likely would just give a damn. Here and the whole humanism.

                    Unfortunately, they didn’t do anything. Ross diplomatic mission is silent, as if they are not here! What they are doing there is incomprehensible !? At that time, the US Embassy was actively helping, organized funds, activities to combat the corona virus. A Makarov / Ross. the ambassador / sleeps ... nothing to work, a good salary, and so gets it!
                    Everything that will interfere with Russia will be circumvented (costs have nothing to do with it), and it’s done by any means.

                    Of course, I have no doubt. But while you are shrouded in the disinformation fog of the created oligarchic media, you will not achieve anything meaningful.
                    Listen to Igor, I’m hereditary Russophile! I have half the Russian family. I tell you frankly and sincerely - I am amazed how far from reality your views and concepts are! This is something beyond! belay
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 17 2020 13: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      The Russian Federation did not agree and in my opinion made a major mistake.

      The Russian Federation did not have to contact Bulgaria at all - earlier the Turkish stream would have been launched. That was a mistake.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 17 2020 14: 48 New
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        The Russian Federation did not have to contact Bulgaria at all - earlier the Turkish stream would have been launched. That was a mistake.

        For some reason I have suspicions that the same thing, after a while you will talk about linking with Turkey ... lol
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 17 2020 17: 08 New
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          Quote: pytar
          For some reason I have suspicions that the same thing, after a while you will talk about linking with Turkey ...

          Может быть и так, но только уже семнадцать лет "Голубой поток" работает и увеличил пропускную способность. Так что Газпром давно все затраченные деньги вернул на его строительство - видимо не зря связались с Турцией, а не с Болгарией.
        2. nznz
          nznz April 19 2020 08: 31 New
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          This speaks of the independence of Russia. You have never dreamed of such degrees of freedom. Do what I’m sitting in a puddle. Therefore, it’s not for you to reproach. Watch for your side, there are no less problems there. But you are grazing here. Do you work here, grant?
          1. pytar
            pytar April 19 2020 12: 04 New
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            This indicates the independence of Russia.

            All countries are interdependent. It says your guarantor of GDP! Pouting your cheeks and practicing with a show-off, is not independence.
            Therefore, it’s not for you to reproach. Watch for your side, there are no less problems there. But you are grazing here.

            We are primarily interested in our own country. I am personally related, related to Russia, I have no problems with this. You are simply not used to listening to a different opinion! This is a problem for you ...
            Do you work here, grant?

            I have been on the VO site since April 2013. Once in the socialist past, was subscribed to the Soviet military-technical magazines. Still sitting in my library. Therefore, I read VO.
            In personal terms, an accomplished person, I earn quite enough. No need to fiddle with any grants. lol
    3. Maz
      Maz April 17 2020 14: 34 New
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      Quote: pytar
      The Germans, of course, are more stupid than the Bulgarians, since they led the second branch to themselves - who would doubt it ...

      Your post demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the difference between both projects! According to the rules of the joint venture, UP could be built without problems! The Russian Federation did not agree and in my opinion made a major mistake. hi

      Lord, this is Bulgaria and its government is one big mistake, and the fact that we allied with the Turks, and now you bite your elbows, proves that we have correctly eliminated Great, Mighty and Independent Bulgaria as a puppet of the USA. Nevertheless, leaving you a chance to cling to UP, but already on conditions shameful for the country, when the gas pipe is in the hands of Turkey, and Bulgaria can only have the role of a dumb servant, providing profit for both Turkey and Russia. Share the traitors and goons.
      1. pytar
        pytar April 17 2020 15: 05 New
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        Lord, this is Bulgaria and its government is one big mistake, and the fact that we allied with the Turks, and now you bite your elbows, proves that we have correctly eliminated Great, Mighty and Independent Bulgaria as a puppet of the USA. Nevertheless, leaving you a chance to cling to UP, but already on conditions shameful for the country, when the gas pipe is in the hands of Turkey, and Bulgaria can only have the role of a dumb servant, providing profit for both Turkey and Russia. Share the traitors and goons.

        Your emotions are based on incorrect information. Therefore, the roots are erroneous. By the way, the Lord is better to write with the main letter, and even better do not mention His Name in vain! He sees everything, knows everything, and you have written so much with a lie, you have earned yourself a great sin! Amen!
        1. nznz
          nznz April 19 2020 08: 33 New
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          also a preacher ....
          1. pytar
            pytar April 19 2020 12: 06 New
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            also a preacher ....

            I am an Orthodox Christian, like all my ancestors. Happy Easter! Have you seen the Lord ...? Nope ...? But the ego is ... yes
      2. Maksim
        Maksim April 17 2020 23: 34 New
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        Quote: Maz
        and the fact that we allied with the Turks, and now you bite your elbows

        You are mistaken, dear, we don’t have the comme il faut of your bombers and Natasha at the resorts. So do not mess with us and go for adventures in Turkey. Sultan provide you all.
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 17 2020 11: 19 New
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    The hegemon has remained a hegemon, just who needs to be greased and the flow has gone. Yes, and every Russian pipeline in the territories controlled by the hegemon is a lever of pressure on Russia, dependent on the sale of hydrocarbons. It turns out that they took a dagger and got a lever. More than once it was.
  • Same lech
    Same lech April 17 2020 11: 19 New
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    The Bulgarians are now on the sidelines ... but could be on the first ... they themselves are to blame ... the Turks will skim the cream.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 11: 57 New
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      The Bulgarians are now on the sidelines ... but could be on the first ... they themselves are to blame ... the Turks will skim the cream.

      BP owned by Bulgargaz. Technologically integrated in the Bulgarian gas transmission network. Deliveries are diversified! With the help of the EU, Bulgaria has even strengthened its position as a gas distribution hub on the southern flank of the EU!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 17 2020 11: 58 New
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        Bulgaria even strengthened its position as a gas distribution hub on the southern flank of the EU!

        Well, God bless you ... the main thing is that everyone is well and everyone is happy. hi
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 12: 19 New
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          Well, God bless you ... the main thing is that everyone is well and everyone is happy.

          Thank you Alexey! May God give you happiness and health! hi
          Bulgaria managed to find a compromise that suits everyone! As a result, the PSU will work soon! With NG, our gas prices fell -5%, from April -40%, from May -7%. In addition, Gazprom returned gas overpaid since August 2019. Having a narrow corridor on maneuvers, the Bulgarian government received the best possible result! good
          1. antivirus
            antivirus April 17 2020 13: 35 New
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            how will Italy through the Greeks receive gas from Azerbaijan? when?
            the only ones ...
          2. Maz
            Maz April 17 2020 14: 37 New
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            Quote: pytar
            Well, God bless you ... the main thing is that everyone is well and everyone is happy.

            Thank you Alexey! May God give you happiness and health! hi
            Bulgaria managed to find a compromise that suits everyone! As a result, the PSU will work soon! With NG, our gas prices fell -5%, from April -40%, from May -7%. In addition, Gazprom returned gas overpaid since August 2019. Having a narrow corridor on maneuvers, the Bulgarian government received the best possible result! good

            Of course, only someone who remembers the old is over, and whoever forgets is two. But Russia will not forget. We have someone not to shout.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 15: 34 New
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              Of course, only someone who remembers the old is over, and whoever forgets is two. But Russia will not forget. We have someone not to shout.

              This is your personal opinion, of course you have the right to your own. Unfortunately, politicians are never driven by emotion! They are only interested in interests! So it was, it is and it will be so. And in the future, it is quite real coincidence in the interests of our states. I hope so. hi
            2. major147
              major147 April 18 2020 21: 49 New
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              Quote: Maz
              But Russia will not forget. We have someone not to shout.

              Come on, still rely on the joy of the United States, hot Slavic guys! Enough. Easter is coming soon! All peace and health!
              1. pytar
                pytar April 18 2020 23: 53 New
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                In Bulgaria, we call Easter Velikden. Happy Holiday! Hello, peace and blessings! hi
                1. major147
                  major147 April 19 2020 10: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pytar
                  Happy Holiday! Hello, peace and blessings!

                  Thank! Christ is risen!
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim April 19 2020 13: 43 New
                    +2


                    All health and happiness !!!
          3. nznz
            nznz April 19 2020 08: 38 New
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            if you are so pious, remember how it happens, I'm talking about 30 pieces of silver and the final conflict ... brother Slav .. The guy also believed that he patched up well, but it turned out differently in the end. And the money wasted uselessly, and damned by everyone. Because the brothers sold. We still have a lot of disappointments, there are already. betrayed by Ukraine, betrayed by all the former. We are science. Now everything will be according to the scheme, ask that, the answer will be simple, I have a cigarette, but it has grown low.
            1. major147
              major147 April 19 2020 10: 29 New
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              Quote: nznz
              if you are so pious, remember how it happens, I'm talking about 30 pieces of silver and the final conflict ... brother Slav .. The guy also believed that he patched up well, but it turned out differently in the end. And the money wasted uselessly, and damned by everyone. Because the brothers sold.

              Разок в атаку сходишь, и молитвы читать научишься! А на счёт "30 серебренников", так загляните в историю отношений Болгарии и России (я заглянул) лет хотя бы на 200 назад. Поверьте мне, обоим есть за что просить прощения друг у друга.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 19 2020 12: 18 New
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                Believe me, both have something to ask for forgiveness from each other.

                In connection with your note, I want to personally apologize on my own behalf if I offended or touched someone else on the forum! Not finding the guilty is the right way! And in search of what unites us! It is much more than what it shares! We are two parts of one whole! We have a common civilizational and spiritual code! May there be Peace, may there be a Brotherhood between us! Amen!

                1. major147
                  major147 April 19 2020 17: 43 New
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                  Quote: pytar
                  In connection with your note, I want to personally apologize on my own behalf if I offended or touched someone else on the forum! Not finding the guilty is the right way! And in search of what unites us! It is much more than what it shares! We are two parts of one whole! We have a common civilizational and spiritual code! May there be Peace, may there be a Brotherhood between us! Amen!

                  In the heat of the moment, you can certainly want to offend someone, but this is not a relationship between nations but between two disputes. Governments of countries can take some actions for which people do not ask permission and which people do not support. Politics is generally a dirty business, and because of the stupidity and incompetence of politicians in wars, people who are completely not involved in the decisions are dying. I do not believe that the people of Bulgaria would like bad for Russia and vice versa.
              2. Maksim
                Maksim April 19 2020 13: 44 New
                +1
                Of course, but the point is to look forward, not backward.
            2. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 12: 12 New
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              if you are so pious, then remember how it happens, I'm talking about 30 pieces of silver and the final conflict ... brother Slav ..

              Бросая камень, вы на себе посмотрели? Вы свою историю не знаете! У вас столько мифов, пропаганда рулит, "весде враги", "весде предатели"! Своих чего забыли? У вас кажды новы правитель обявляет прежних предателями! Вы за немногих 100 лет, умудрились в 3 раза перевернутся наголову!
              I will help a little bit of history, a short excerpt from our relationship! Although I do not believe that it will have an effect.
              https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
              Now everything will be according to the scheme, ask that, the answer will be simple - I have a cigarette, but it has grown low.

              Igor, you do not live in a capitalist country? Do you have communism, universal justice, popular power? How much more will you mess with self-deception?
            3. Maksim
              Maksim April 19 2020 13: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: nznz
              We still have a lot of disappointments, there are already. betrayed by Ukraine, betrayed by all former

              And who is to blame here?
      2. Grits
        Grits April 17 2020 16: 07 New
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        Quote: pytar
        With the help of the EU, Bulgaria has even strengthened its position as a gas distribution hub on the southern flank of the EU!

        Also tell us how you, with the help of the EU, strengthened your agriculture and economy.
        Long live Independent Bulgaria! Jump-jump, jump-jump
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 17: 23 New
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          Also tell us how you, with the help of the EU, strengthened your agriculture and economy.

          In 2019, Bulgaria reached a record high GDP in its entire history.



          Agriculture - exports exceed imports from approx. 1 billion euros! In 2019, the country exported agricultural products for 5 euros. hi Bulgaria has taken the forefront in the world in terms of production and export to a number of agricultural enterprises. products. For example, in terms of revenue from export of wheat, starting in 2013, it is in the Top 10 global markets. Note: The territory of the country is only 110 thousand. sq. km., of which 2/3 of the mountains.

          Here are the graphics for 2019.


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          Long live Independent Bulgaria! Jump-jump, jump-jump

          True is my guess! Looping on ukrotems, harmful to consciousness! belay Take care of yourself, dear! sad
          1. Maksim
            Maksim April 17 2020 23: 31 New
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            History always repeats - as long as everything is normal - we work and take care of ourselves, but the liberators-democrats come in and we have a continuous crisis. And then they begin to pour shit on the forums and in their zombies as far as we are bad. They would sit in their bear corner and would not interfere with our normal life.
          2. nznz
            nznz April 19 2020 08: 53 New
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            https://www.imemo.ru/files/File/ru/publ/2018/2018_22.pdf
            This is a study of Bulgaria and Romania 10 years in the EU.

            so as not to read all the work, I brought a source to show where. Briefly, Bulgaria received from the EU subsidies of 10 billion e. that’s the whole secret. Poland is even more numerous. What will happen without recharge? We’ll see.
            quote:
            "Объем ВВП Болгарии и Румынии в расчете на душу населения за
            has grown over the past 10 years, but remains much smaller than average
            for the EU, not to mention the comparison with the European leader
            Union - Germany. So far, Bulgaria and Romania occupy,
            accordingly, the last and penultimate places in the EU in actual
            individual consumption per capita, which in 2018 is 47%
            in Bulgaria and 59% in Romania was less than the average European level
            (see Table No. 2, No. 3).
            ---
            Today, Bulgaria and Romania are the countries with the most
            low life expectancy in the EU (10 years lower than the average for
            European Union), the highest mortality rate, the highest
            incidence. In June 2016, the Bulgarian edition of Trud led
            data of the last poll of KT “Podprycha”, according to which 36% of Bulgarians consider
            that they live in poverty.6 According to one study, about 49%
            Bulgaria's population lives on the verge of poverty.7 About 70% of Bulgarian
            pensioners (1,5 out of 2,18 million) have incomes below the subsistence level,
            который в 2016 г. составлял 314 левов (около 160 евро) в месяц."
            I will recount-160 leva = 12 rubles at the rate for now.
            that is, 70% do not get higher than this. Of course, you also need to compare prices, purchasing power, if you are in the EU, I think that you haven’t had your own for a long time, even Turkish bulgarian pepper you have Turkish. Where Golobus with its canned goods, you can’t, The EU has its own globes. They pulled your owl on yours. It is not clear that acceptance on very strict conditions in the EU is a mandatory quota of all production, because the EU will not give you anything for friendship, and your shops will be slammed. There are people who bring greenhouse tomatoes to you. And Turkey and Spain and many others will flood Bulgaria. You are losing your identity. Another year and the words Bulgarian pepper will cease to be understood as the name of the vegetable. They will assume that this is a native Bulgarian man. Here you are and all your improvement.
            1. nznz
              nznz April 19 2020 09: 08 New
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              incorrectly calculated 160 levs at the exchange rate in rubles (1 lev = 41 rubles) = 160x41 = 6560 rubles. That is, 70% do not even have this.
            2. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 12: 55 New
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              I will advise you to read more than write ... Here's a little info:
              https://topwar.ru/140445-buduschee-ekonomiki-bolgarii-vyglyadit-optimistichno.html
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/26939-bolgariya-na-pyatom-meste-v-es-po-rostu-vvp
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/30012-v-2019-godu-dokhody-naseleniya-bolgarii-uvelichilis-na-9-6-a-raskhody-na-7-7
              https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/29908-detskaya-smertnost-v-bolgarii-prodolzhaet-snizhatsya
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/29604-bolgariya-na-45-m-meste-v-rejtinge-blagopoluchiya-detej
              https://bnr.bg/ru/post/101221117/bolgaria-sredi-liderov-po-dole-vie-v-potreblenii-elektroenergii
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/27225-bolgariya-vsekh-bolshe-eksportiruet-elektroniku-i-elektrotekhniku
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/25530-elektronika-dvigatel-industrii-4-0-v-bolgarii
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/22006-bolgarskie-programmisty-v-top-5-mira
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/21991-avtomobilnyj-sektor-v-bolgarii-za-poslednie-10-let-vyros-v-4-raza
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/26130-za-10-let-eksport-bolgarii-udvoilsya
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/27473-bolgariya-zanyala-40-e-mesto-v-globalnom-rejtinge-innovatsij
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/29094-po-ekonomicheskim-pokazatelyam-bolgariya-vkhodit-v-chislo-pervykh-30-40-stran-mira
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/28451-bolgariya-ostaetsya-na-tretem-meste-v-es-po-samomu-nizkomu-gosdolgu-po-sravneniyu-s-vvp
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/28832-bolgariya-odin-iz-mirovykh-liderov-po-eksportu-zernovykh-i-maslichnykh-kultur
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/28272-lekarstvennye-travy-biznes-i-zdorove
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/21228-za-5-let-ploshchad-plodovo-yagodnykh-nasazhdenij-v-bolgarii-uvelichilas-na-43
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/29598-v-2019-godu-bolgariya-eksportirovala-64-mln-litrov-vina-v-zapadnuyu-evropu-kitaj-i-ssha
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/20388-ekspert-bolgariya-vkhodit-v-pyaterku-mirovykh-liderov-po-kachestvu-vina
              https://rus.bg/ekonomika/ekonomika/28439-premer-bolgarii-stroim-zavod-za-zavodom
              https://rus.bg/esche/interesno/interesno/29100-s-1997-goda-srednyaya-prodolzhitelnost-zhizni-v-bolgarii-postoyanno-uvelichivaetsya
              https://topwar.ru/162213-otnoshenija-bolgarii-i-rossii-v-21-veke.html?utm_source=website&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=group
              Корона-вирус поставить свои корекции, но мы точно справимся лучше, чем многие другие! В резюме скажу - граждане "бедной" Болгарии, живут если не лучше, то точно не хуже, чем самой богатой на природные изкопаемые стране в Мире! Причина простая - у нас нет монополизация власти. Научившихся горьким опытом прошлое, мы это не позволяем! Существует острая конкуренция, если власть не работает, меняем! Вот так оно, Игорь... hi
      3. major147
        major147 April 18 2020 21: 43 New
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        Quote: pytar
        BP owned by Bulgargaz. Technologically integrated in the Bulgarian gas transmission network. Deliveries are diversified! With the help of the EU, Bulgaria has even strengthened its position as a gas distribution hub on the southern flank of the EU!

        But gas from Turkey will not go for some reason and why do you need all of the above, and gas would go directly to you in the UP.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 18 2020 23: 26 New
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          But gas from Turkey will not go for some reason and why do you need all of the above, and gas would go directly to you in the UP.

          A gas stop can only be due to a very serial cause. One that would stop the supply of SO. UP and BP, transit. Excessive for our needs. In addition, we have differentiated supplies, and we are not dependent on one source. Even if we are left without delivery, for Bulgaria this is not critical. We survive. hi
          1. nznz
            nznz April 19 2020 08: 55 New
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            you can survive anything and smallpox and plague. But at what cost? Usually at the expense of the people. Will he tolerate or submit to fate?
            1. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 12: 57 New
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              you can survive anything and smallpox and plague. But at what cost? Usually at the expense of the people. Will he tolerate or submit to fate?

              What is the difference between our political system and yours? We do not have a monopolization of power, if they do not work as they should, we are changing! Competition! And you ... well, you know ...
          2. major147
            major147 April 19 2020 10: 18 New
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            A gas stop can only be due to a very serial cause. One that would stop the supply of SO. UPS and BP, transit

            Turkey may have a domestic political crisis, because Erdogan has already been tried to overthrow.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 19 2020 12: 59 New
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              Turkey may have a domestic political crisis, because Erdogan has already been tried to overthrow.

              This will not affect gas transit. And Erdogan will sooner or later be overthrown. Half the Turks wildly hate him.
              1. major147
                major147 April 19 2020 17: 35 New
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                Quote: pytar
                This will not affect gas transit.

                Who knows? Pro-Americans will come, and their owners so want to block the Russian faucet in order to supply their gas.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 19 2020 19: 08 New
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                  Who knows? Pro-Americans will come, and their owners so want to block the Russian faucet in order to supply their gas.

                  Bearing in mind the geopolitical risks, Bulgaria is successfully diversifying its sources. From almost 100%, Gazprom’s share in BG is reduced by 50%. An agreement with Azerbaijan has been signed; we also acquired 25% of the assets of the LNG terminal in Alexandroupoli. Another plan, and even a case for a critical situation and a reverse from Romania / Ukraine is possible. Bulgaria will not remain without gas, that's for sure!
                  In the case of overlapping TP, Gazprom will suffer first of all! Therefore, I say - it was necessary to turn the pipe to Varna, as Putin suggested, Borisov! Yes, the completion of the project would slow down, but this is a real trifle. GDP made a major mistake, not the first time by the way.
                  У меня честно, очен плохое мнение о "эфективных менеджерах" Газпрома, а точнее о политиках, сидящие за ними и постоянно вмешивающиеся в работу. При том в компании работают прекрасные профильные специалисты! Одни из лучших в мире!
  • askort154
    askort154 April 17 2020 11: 51 New
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    В 2013 г. в Болгарии стал премьером Орешарский. До него Болгария давала согласие на "Южный поток".( премьер был Бойко Борисов) Газпром завёз, и складировал трубы и оборудование в Бургас. В июне 2014 г. в Болгарию прибыли 3 американских сенатора : Мэрфи и Джонсон, во главе с Маккейном. После встречи, Орешарский на пресс конференции с журналистами, объявил, что принято решение об остановке работ по проекту " Южный поток". В итоге, упущенная прибыль Болгарии из-за этого , за 6 лет, составила около 3 млрд. дллр. Вторично избранный премьер - Бойко Борисов , дал согласие на "балканский вариант", но уже "турецкого потока".
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 12: 39 New
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      В 2013 г. в Болгарии стал премьером Орешарский. До него Болгария давала согласие на "Южный поток".( премьер был Бойко Борисов)

      June 2014 construction of UP stopped temporarily official government of Oresharsky before the end of the European Commission verification. С август 2014 г. предпринятые шаги по возобновлении строительства, а еще увеличили капитал компанию „Южны поток - Болгария". Болгарская сторона разрабатывает новая стратегия и предлагает ее Газпрому. С стороне России в ответ... молчание...
      On December 01.12.2014, XNUMX, during a visit to Turkey, Vladimir Putin announces that Россия отказывается от строительство ЮП "из за неконструктивной позиции Еврокомисии". Moreover, Bulgaria receives an official letter with a glimpse a year and a half later! During this time, work with the Bulgarian side does not stop. Invested a few more millions of dollars.
      Болгария никогда не отказывалась от "Южны поток", отказалась Россия!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 17 2020 13: 37 New
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        Болгария никогда не отказывалась от "Южны поток", отказалась Россия!

        - there wasn’t enough power to lobby in Brussels their interests - both the Russian Federation and Bulgaria. and what did McCain sing?
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 13: 58 New
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          there wasn’t enough power to lobby in Brussels their interests - both the Russian Federation and Bulgaria. and what did McCain sing?

          Without a radical overhaul, the project could not be promoted further! We proposed to divide the land plot, as a formally separate object, which then was to be transferred back to the ownership of Ross. a company again formally unrelated to Gazprom. The problem was that according to Bulgarian laws and EU laws, everything had to happen on the basis of the Law of Public Orders, for a tender! But Gazprom was not sure that someone else would not knock the ego out of the game and therefore did not agree! Still, the monopoly has found itself in an investment crisis. Therefore, Russia abandoned the project. hi
          McCain came to threaten sanctions. This is in addition to the decision of the European Commission.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus April 17 2020 15: 33 New
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            UP, in my opinion, was immediately redundant and unprofitable - there were no ready-made consumers. To create gas consumers in a foreign territory?
            только Австрия и Сев италия --были "за", немцы свое продавили --все к ним пошло. они Будут выводить из работы АЭС-КОГДА ИМ ПОЗВОЛЯТ ХОЗЯЕВА и нефтепотребление снизят --это все Сша(шведы) и Франция + др не знаю.
            that’s 2 pools of opponents of UP and SP2 ++++ all who lose their products (we are not talking about EU members, etc.) as a result of competition with German industry, a prospect of 10-30 years.
            And the delay of SP2 and UP .5-1-2 g is a trifle for the Germans.
            but for you and us, the money lost a lot
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 15: 46 New
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              UP, in my opinion, was immediately redundant and unprofitable - there were no ready-made consumers.

              In many ways, I agree with you! good Газпром это осознал в один момент и выбрал выход, которой не угрожал его с крупные судебные разбирательства и неустоек по договорах. А чтоб сохранить имидж, пропагандная машина мега-компании бросила всю вину на Болгарии. Эсли суть случившегося выдет снаружи, я вас уверяю - многие "эфективные менеджеры" заслужили бы тюрму... вместе с политиками, вмешивающиеся все время в проекта! ЮП был политический проект по сути! Затея... ну вы догадываетесь чья... yes
              The Balkan stream is more adequate, although it will probably not be possible to use it at full capacity, as well as the joint venture.
      2. askort154
        askort154 April 17 2020 13: 44 New
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        pytar ...June 2014 construction stopped by Oresharsky’s temporary service government until the end of the European Commission check.

        Boyan, I described the events briefly, highlighting only the essence of the problem.
        А она такова. В ЕС против "Южного потока ", главным противником была Германия. И это понятно, это был "конкурент" СП-1 в Европе в обход газового "хаба" Германии. Для США так же это было неприемлемо, чтобы Россия
        "подсадила" Балканы на свою газовую трубу, не поддающуюся их контролю.
        Вот США в поддержку Германии и отправили свой "десант" в Болгарию, во главе с первым русофобом - Маккейном, после чего , Оршарский и преостановил выполнение соглашения между Россией и Болгарией, до "решении комиссии ЕС". То есть, он озвучил, то что навязали.
        А коль в ЕС Германия в первой "упряжке", то здесь её и США интересы
        совпали. А Болгарии оставалось, лишь "щёлкнуть каблуками".
        What she did, or rather, her rulers.
        С август 2014 г. предпринятые шаги по возобновлении строительства, а еще увеличили капитал компанию „Южны поток - Болгария". Болгарская сторона разрабатывает новая стратегия и предлагает ее Газпрому. С стороне России, в ответ... молчание...
        Boyan. It is naive to believe that Russia, seeing the overt pressure of the USA on Germany and the EU, would begin to invest in the continuation of this project.
        Поэтому она быстро организовала новый проект - "Турецкий поток".
        Сейчас ситуация с СП-2 наглядно показывает, чем бы закончился "Южный поток", Россия вложила бы свои средства, а он был бы мёртв. Не зря, Германия сейчас бьётся за СП-2, она боится участи Болгарии, что
        may be left without cheap Russian gas, and even more so a European gas hub, if again it goes on about the United States.
        On 01.12.2014 g. во время посещение в Турции, Владимир Путин обыявляет, что Россия отказывается от строительство ЮП "из за неконструктивной позиции Еврокомисии". При том, официальное письмо с увидомлением Болгария получает год с полтора позже! За ето время, работа с болгарской стороне не прекращается. Вложенно еще несколько милионов долл.
        Боян, это уже пропаганда вашего правительства через СМИ. Ни какого строительства не продолжалось с обеих сторон. Завезённые "Газпромом" трубы в Болгарию, лежали в Бургасе даже после начала строительства "Турецкого потока". И где логика, Болгария односторонне прервала соглашение, сославшись на решение ЕС, а сама продолжала прокладывать трубы. Это смешно. Не верьте всяким СМИ. Тем более "русофобским", которыми заполонены сейчас, все бывшие страны "Варшавского договора", а тем более "старые противники".
        Извини Боян, получилось много "букв", но я искренне хотел вам открыть глаза на эту тему. Я много раз бывал в Болгарии, начиная с 80-х годов,и всегда был рад искренним дружеским отношениям в разных городах Болгарии. Чувство братства не вызывало сомнений.
        (and, once, a taxi driver’s offer to buy 10 watermelons for $ 1, I still remember! good ) hi
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 14: 13 New
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          Dear Alexander, indeed the situation was extremely unfavorable! Going with a knife did not bode well! Therefore, do not worry. After all, in the final analysis, the Balkan stream is being built! And it will be completed, do not hesitate! hi
          Боян, это уже пропаганда вашего правительства через СМИ. Ни какого строительства не продолжалось с обеих сторон. Завезённые "Газпромом" трубы в Болгарию, лежали в Бургасе даже после начала строительства "Турецкого потока". И где логика, Болгария односторонне прервала соглашение, сославшись на решение ЕС, а сама продолжала прокладывать трубы.

          I am not interested in propaganda. What I say, I personally know from my work. I acted as an official representative at public public discussions held in all the municipalities through which the highway passed, months after Putin’s statement about Russia's refusal! These are administrative procedures that cost us considerable expenses!
          People asked me questions - But Putin said a few months ago that Russia is refusing?
          I answered them - Putin said that, but the official notice of refusal, which was provided for in the agreements, was not received by us! Respectively fulfilling our contractual obligations, we continue to work!
          By the way, Gazprom continued to pay out of the ordinary $ он million a year on saving pipes in Varna / not Burgas /!
          I am tempted to show you a scan of documents on this occasion, such as in my bulk, but I will refrain, for obvious reasons ... So, dear Alexander, do not get fooled by rusmi generously funded Gazprom. They lie, they lie, they lie! Since that time I stopped believing in general Ross. media and in speeches by some of your leaders!
          1. askort154
            askort154 April 17 2020 14: 46 New
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            pytar... I'm not interested in propaganda. What I say, I personally know from my work.

            Боян, пропагандой никто не интересуется. Её "втирают" в уши всем,везде, в любой стране. Это 21 век. Век АТI и грязной политики.Хотя политика, отродясь не была "чистой". Давай посмотрим на историю строительства трубопроводов из СССР (России). Первый нефтепровод "Дружба" строился в жёстком противодействии США. СП- 1, также ! СП-2, также ! Везде палки в колёса вставляет США.
            И вот другой пример - нефтепровод и газопровод Россия -Китай, строятся без "шума и гама", без санкций и ежедневного шума в СМИ.
            А всё просто, здесь "рученьки США" коротки. А ЕС полностью лежит под США. Это же очевидно всем. Пока, Боян, ухожу . Всего доброго! hi
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 15: 23 New
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              Thank you, Alexander! The pleasure was to chat with you! Politics is always dirty, but politicians come and go, but nations remain! Russians and Bulgarians brothers! Do not believe those who say the opposite! Take care of yourself and your loved ones, this epidemic is not comic! I wish you all the best! hi
      3. Maz
        Maz April 17 2020 14: 39 New
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        Quote: pytar
        В 2013 г. в Болгарии стал премьером Орешарский. До него Болгария давала согласие на "Южный поток".( премьер был Бойко Борисов)

        June 2014 construction of UP stopped temporarily official government of Oresharsky before the end of the European Commission verification. С август 2014 г. предпринятые шаги по возобновлении строительства, а еще увеличили капитал компанию „Южны поток - Болгария". Болгарская сторона разрабатывает новая стратегия и предлагает ее Газпрому. С стороне России в ответ... молчание...
        On December 01.12.2014, XNUMX, during a visit to Turkey, Vladimir Putin announces that Россия отказывается от строительство ЮП "из за неконструктивной позиции Еврокомисии". Moreover, Bulgaria receives an official letter with a glimpse a year and a half later! During this time, work with the Bulgarian side does not stop. Invested a few more millions of dollars.
        Болгария никогда не отказывалась от "Южны поток", отказалась Россия!

        significant you know the date is June 2014. ,,, Crimea, Donbass sanctions and then Bulgaria and the EU ..... thanks sho helped and reminded.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 15: 29 New
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          significant you know the date is June 2014. ,,, Crimea, Donbass sanctions and then Bulgaria and the EU ..... thanks sho helped and reminded.

          I have my own opinion on this issue, which probably does not coincide with yours. As for business, oligarchic circles always stand for it. I see no reason to help either our or your oligarchs in their profit. Just in case, their bank accounts will always be in the black ...
          1. The guard
            The guard April 17 2020 15: 36 New
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            Quote: pytar
            As for business, oligarchic circles always stand for it. I see no reason to help either our or your oligarchs in their profit. Just in case, their bank accounts will always be in the black ...

            Your words, yes God would be in your ears ..! We are all working on the oligarchy of our countries, and they, in turn, are on the global footballers .. And there will never be a rest for a simple working people, as long as this world structure exists. They destroyed the USSR, and the idea was good and worked in principle for ordinary people. .
            Now we are no one, or rather, CONSUMERS OF THE ELECTORATE AND EVERYTHING!
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 15: 53 New
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              I can subscribe to your words. And there is! good But let's not be pesimists! Everything changes, the progress does not stop for a moment! I am convinced that gigantic changes, transformations are coming! And they will make the world a better place now! hi
              1. The guard
                The guard April 17 2020 17: 55 New
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                Quote: pytar
                Everything changes, the progress does not stop for a moment! I am convinced that gigantic changes, transformations are coming! And they will make the world a better place now!

                I also believe in it, while Russia is alive .. hi
                Such is our mission, to change the world ..
                We’ll remove the last shirt, but we’ll get our own .. drinks
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        1. Maksim
          Maksim April 17 2020 23: 27 New
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          Quote: Gritsa
          think up silly excuses, admit that the EU, along with McCain, have raped you

          Ну да, поимели. Щас уже читаем - "Россия нарастила вложения в американский госдолг", https://vz.ru/news/2020/4/15/1034574.html
          It may be time to finish the thread and move on to normal discussion.
  • Operator
    Operator April 17 2020 11: 58 New
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    Feels Borisoff, where the wind blows - to the collapse of the EU bully
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 12: 27 New
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      Feels Borisoff, where the wind blows - to the collapse of the EU

      Borisov is an intelligent, capable leader, although he does not possess outstanding oratorical abilities! Our people judge by deeds, not by words! Therefore, Borisov now has the highest rating! According to opinion polls, he himself is the successful leader of Bulgaria, from the 90s to the present. Under the ego leadership, the country has achieved very good results in the economy and in foreign policy!
      Will the EU fall apart, the question ... The EU is the most successful political and economic unification of the European peoples, in all history!
      1. Same lech
        Same lech April 17 2020 13: 23 New
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        The EU is the most successful political and economic unification of European nations, in all history!

        How so what ... The EU did not provide urgent assistance to Italy in the fight against the pandemic ... which means it is not so successful.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 13: 42 New
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          The EU did not provide urgent assistance to Italy in the fight against the pandemic ... which means it is not so successful.

          This is judging by publications in Russian. mass media... wink They cite the fact that there is a certain proportion of dissatisfaction from the belated reaction of the EU. In fact, the Union is and will continue to provide large-scale assistance to all its members! Italy even helped Bulgaria, and we also helped Austria and other countries by supplying various consumables. The pandemic caught everyone aback, almost all were not ready! Unreadiness was initially expressed in some inappropriate, chaotic actions of European structures. Logistics is already more or less being established, the EU is removing huge resources (hundreds of billions of euros) in the fight against covid-19! hi
          1. Same lech
            Same lech April 17 2020 13: 45 New
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            EU removes colossal resources (hundreds of billions of euros) in the fight against

            It’s about real help ... what's the point that the EU has allocated something there ... Italy needs help immediately and Italians rightly resent Germany in this regard.
            So Putin did everything right and prudently here ... which the Italians appreciated.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 14: 44 New
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              It's about real help ... what's the point that the EU has allocated something there ...

              The EU removes 100 million euros to help for the most affected epidemics of the Union! Most will get Italy and Spain! Is this not real help, or what ?!
              Italians are rightly offended in this regard by Germany

              Germany was one of the first to send help to Italy! True, not on the scale that was needed, but it was in Italy itself that at first underestimated the serial nature of the situation! As an example, at that time Italy, together with another 5 EU countries, sent 30,5 tons to help China! The European Commission was late, due to limited powers and the need to develop a common plan for counteraction in order to rationally allocate resources!
              So Putin did everything right and prudently here ... which the Italians appreciated.

              I do not dispute the correctness of Putin’s actions, but ... why is it so noisy on this occasion? If you help from a pure heart, then you can not PR!
              Alexei, more than two hundred Bulgarian doctors are working in the infection zone in Northern Italy! I have a cousin, a virologist, who at the beginning of March left the Bulgarian group to help the Italians! We communicate on Skype, I am aware of what's going on there! It must be said that the Italian authorities, to a large extent, were to blame for the worsening situation, and the population itself was initially unserious.
              С начало апреля команда европейских медиков и персонал /основном из Румынии и Норвегии/ находится в Бергамо и Милано, по линии МГЗЕС /механизм гражданской защите ЕС/. Австрия уже дарила 3000 л. дезинфектанты. В координации действиях и поставок для Италии, задействованна европейская спутниковая система "Коперник". Почти ежесуточно из странах ЕС, Италия получает поставки индивидуальных средств защитой, апараты изкуственного дыхания и т.п.! Пересчитать все действия ЕС в подержку Италии не смогу, получится очень долгий пост! Помочь есть, она маштабная, это факт! Сколь сильнее разкручивается механизм эвропейскох структр, столь эфективнее будет эта помоч! У вас почемуто об этом не пишут!
              1. Same lech
                Same lech April 17 2020 15: 19 New
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                How much more is the mechanism of the European structure untwisted, this help will be more effective! You for some reason do not write about it!

                Wait and see. smile hi
            2. Maksim
              Maksim April 17 2020 23: 24 New
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              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              So Putin did it right

              Of course I did everything right. They would write WRONG and would have gone for you already.
    2. askort154
      askort154 April 17 2020 12: 37 New
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      Operator...Feels Borisoff, where the wind blows - to the collapse of the EU

      As historical practice has shown, each empire has its own deadlines.
      А ЕС, вообще, не "Империя". а искусственно созданный "союз", англосаксами, для расширения своего торгового рынка и политического контроля. Увлёкшись, развалом СССР, они прозевали Китай и АТР. А там находится 2/3 населения планеты Земля. Так что, 21 век будет финалом для англо- саксонского беспредела . Азиатская кровь в Европе, скоро будет сильнее, чем их "однополость" в семейных отношениях. Через три века, в Европе, англосаксонская "династия" вымрет как мамонты. И это ещё раз подтвердит, что Дарвинская теория - лженаука.
      (имею право - "пованговать" wink ) hi
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 17 2020 13: 48 New
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        Quote: askort154
        Через три века, в Европе, англосаксонская "династия" вымрет как мамонты. И это ещё раз подтвердит, что Дарвинская теория - лженаука.

        On the contrary, this will fully confirm Darwin's theory of intraspecific struggle - the strongest and more adapted to survival will win.
        1. askort154
          askort154 April 17 2020 14: 20 New
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          ccsr ....On the contrary, this will fully confirm Darwin's theory of intraspecific struggle - the strongest and more adapted to survival will win.

          Только, почему-то они (обезьяны) рассредоточились по планете Земля,не взирая на климатические и материковые особенности. Одни "обезьяны" эволюционировали в жёлтый вид кожи и узких глаз, одни в условиях - 50 градусов, другие в +50). Одни строили пирамиды, в северной Африке, а чуть южнее , до сих пор бегают "человекообразные" обезьяны, не желающие дальше "эволюционировать", просто рисуют на скалах, себя подобных, но только в скафандрах.
          А в том что побеждает сильнейший, это не эволюция, это избыток желудочной кислоты в желудке, требующей его заполнить. Жажда голода, или бытия. Кому сырым мясом, кому "баблом". Но это не эволюция.
          Yes, undoubtedly, there is an evolutionary development - of man and technology. Only for some reason, today's monkeys do not crave to transform into humans. No. hi
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 17 2020 12: 34 New
    +1
    Bulgarian Prime Minister: The construction of the Balkan Stream is in full swing
    Said the turtle, overtaking the snail!
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 13: 28 New
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      Construction of the Balkan Stream, go at full speed! It works simultaneously on dozens of platforms along the highway.

      Slow down the construction, archaeological discoveries alone, which are constantly found during excavation works. More than 40 large and hundreds of small ones have already been found. Bulgaria is one of the first three European countries, according to the wealth of archaeological layers.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 17 2020 13: 51 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Construction of the Balkan Stream, go at full speed!

        А могли бы уже давно по прямой трубе газ из России получать и быть крупнейшим транзитером в Европу. Но болгары "умнее" немцев оказались, вот и отказались от этой "глупости".
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 14: 52 New
          +2
          And they could for a long time already receive gas from Russia through a straight pipe and be the largest transit country to Europe.

          ccssr, you stubbornly oppress your line that has nothing to do with reality, despite the fact that I have probably already discussed the topic with you hundreds of times!
          Yes UP could not happen, understand once and for all! BP is quite happy with us, everyone is happy, everything will be fine!
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 17 2020 17: 10 New
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            Quote: pytar
            ccssr, you stubbornly oppress your line that has nothing to do with reality, despite the fact that I have probably already discussed the topic with you hundreds of times!

            Мы вообще в России ничего не понимаем в вашей хитромудрости - куда уж нам до вашего "полета мысли"...
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 17: 42 New
              +1
              Мы вообще в России ничего не понимаем в вашей хитромудрости - куда уж нам до вашего "полета мысли"...

              you ccsr not Russia ... but your personal misunderstanding is obvious ... laughing
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 17 2020 17: 49 New
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                Quote: pytar
                and your personal misunderstanding is obvious ...

                Judging by the answers to you on this forum, my opinion is shared by the majority of those who answered you. So my personal opinion coincides with that of the majority - this is obvious.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 17 2020 23: 01 New
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                  Judging by the answers to you on this forum, my opinion is shared by the majority of those who answered you.

                  Не судите по ответам в этом форуме. Тут есть своя специфика... И лучше не судить по никаких интернет-форумах. Весде "фомкини" работают... я уверен, вы в курсе... lol
          2. The guard
            The guard April 17 2020 18: 03 New
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            Quote: pytar
            everything will be fine!

            I also hope for this Boyan, but there are many questions .. We hope to break through! hi
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 23: 03 New
              +1
              I also hope for this Boyan, but there are many questions .. We hope to break through!

              There are questions, time will put everything in its place! Break through, no doubt! God is with us! good
  • NF68
    NF68 April 17 2020 16: 16 New
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    Construction will be in full swing until a formidable shout follows from overseas.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 17: 44 New
      +2
      Construction will be in full swing until a formidable shout follows from overseas.

      There will be no shout. And the PSU will be ready soon. Bet? good
      1. NF68
        NF68 April 17 2020 17: 46 New
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        Quote: pytar
        Construction will be in full swing until a formidable shout follows from overseas.

        There will be no shout. And the PSU will be ready soon. Bet? good


        Why argue if I wrote about this? Only chickens are counted in the fall, and autumn has not yet arrived.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 18: 01 New
          +2
          Only chickens are counted in the fall, and autumn has not yet arrived.

          We will argue, and by the fall we will see who was right! bully
          1. NF68
            NF68 April 17 2020 18: 03 New
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            Quote: pytar
            Only chickens are counted in the fall, and autumn has not yet arrived.

            We will argue, and by the fall we will see who was right! bully


            По смотрим. Если сейчас американской администрации до до "Турецкого" потока или Путин и Трамп как то сумеют договориться, то, вполне возможно, что и достроят.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 17 2020 18: 12 New
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              Уважаемы Николай, строительство "Балканского потока" (БП), никак не связанно с договоренностей между Трамп и Путина. БП финансируется ЕС и США. yes You did not know about this? Yes? smile А "Турецкий поток", он уже построен и работает. request
              1. NF68
                NF68 April 17 2020 18: 17 New
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                Quote: pytar
                Уважаемы Николай, строительство "Балканского потока" (БП), никак не связанно с договоренностей между Трамп и Путина. БП финансируется ЕС и США. yes You did not know about this? Yes? smile А "Турецкий поток", он уже построен и работает. request


                Вообще то БП является сухопутным продолжением "Турецкого потока" и еще не давно и ЕС и США мешали постройке БП.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 17 2020 20: 36 New
                  +2
                  Вообще то БП является сухопутным продолжением "Турецкого потока"

                  Turkish stream ends on the Turkish-Bulgarian border. Further BP. Gas transport system.
                  and not long ago, both the EU and the US were hampering the construction of a power supply.

                  How? If they wanted to interfere, they would interfere! The European Commission supports the project. There are corresponding misunderstandings.
    2. Maksim
      Maksim April 17 2020 23: 21 New
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      Quote: NF68
      an outcry from the ocean will not follow.

      Like - donate your money to US banks? Well, we don’t surrender, you surrender. This does not concern us.
      1. NF68
        NF68 April 18 2020 16: 48 New
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        Quote: Mac Sim
        Quote: NF68
        an outcry from the ocean will not follow.

        Like - donate your money to US banks? Well, we don’t surrender, you surrender. This does not concern us.


        Нет-"совет от Госдепа США" будет звучать все так же: Покупайте американский СПГ. А Россия тоже не так давно прикупила американские облигации.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim April 18 2020 17: 45 New
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          Excuse me, where do Russian officials and effective managers keep their savings?
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    1. pytar
      pytar April 17 2020 20: 37 New
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      You would have gone to your place and not annoyed by your presence.

      Do not even hope! Get used to it better ... laughing
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 17 2020 21: 26 New
        -3
        Boyan Ivanov - Well, how Putin came to you, otherwise he swore laughing I remember that.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 17 2020 23: 05 New
          0
          Gennady Fomkin, I do not read your posts! You don’t read mine either, I won’t be offended! laughing
          1. Maksim
            Maksim April 17 2020 23: 16 New
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            Quote: pytar
            You do not read mine either

            I think this character does not have those abilities. He has Bulgarianophobia.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 18 2020 10: 28 New
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              Most likely it works for one non-public office ... laughing This work is not honorable, dirty, does not cause respect. I recall on this occasion the passage from the novel by Kurt Vonnegut: "Чтоб работать на нас не обязательно быт сумашедшим, но... помогает..."
              1. Maksim
                Maksim April 18 2020 17: 47 New
                0
                So he needs to give a bonus for this. This is not an effort, it is his TALENT.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 18 2020 19: 16 New
                  +1
                  Да пусть дают, что хотят. Я таких -> игнор. Самое действенное лекарство. Не надо полнит им корзинку. yes
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      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 03: 12 New
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        Well, am I past the rash? belay laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 17 2020 21: 19 New
    -2
    Европейское "Политбюро" одобрило Мудрое решение " наших" болгарских партнеров laughing lol бывшие" братушки " нафига вам газ? Топите дровами так экологичней.Ничто так не греет как любофь к халяве.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 17 2020 23: 13 New
      -2
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Nothing warms like a love of a freebie.

      The Bulgarian hemophobia of your brain goes off scale or you have seen enough of it by a zombie creator. Maybe confused with someone else. We didn’t have anything for free, but snot from the eastern direction — yes, for free, but we do not need nichert. Howl at home.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 03: 11 New
        -2
        Oh Maxim pulled himself up laughing
        1. Maksim
          Maksim April 18 2020 04: 57 New
          +1
          And what, thought to be rude without me? Will not work!! I am here to earn my warnings.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 17 2020 21: 35 New
    -1
    All is correct. European Commissioners twisted hands to Gazprom. Against this background, the Bulgarians want to milk us. We urgently need a gas war with the EU. I always said that. Gazprom needs to supply every EU country no more than 1/4. And gas will be more expensive and less supplies will be needed to achieve the same revenue. But Gazprom wants to cheaply drain all gas in the EU.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 17 2020 21: 44 New
    0
    Они реально русофобы. Болгарский министр обороны назвал Россию главной угрозой. Поддерживают санкции против нас стоя. За пару недель до визита с Путиным настаивали на санкции против нас. Короче люди реально нас ненавидят. Или обсудить "дальновидность" внешней политики, в результате чего такие казусы и происходят. Но стебаться над "братушками" проще и веселее. laughing
    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 17 2020 23: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      They are really Russophobes.

      They, that is, we are really normal, but you are really far from normal.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 03: 13 New
        -2
        They, that is, we are really normal, but you are really far from normal. laughing lol
        1. Maksim
          Maksim April 18 2020 04: 58 New
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          You specifically - a boor and a provocateur.
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  • Maksim
    Maksim April 17 2020 23: 18 New
    -3
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    Repair Alyosha Monument is better.

    Dear, Alyosha is in a state similar to which you can only dream most of the monuments in the Russian Federation. By the way, did Zhukov’s monument be restored, or else cut money and tinker with waste paper?
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 03 New
      +1
      Did you miss the history lessons? In the Balkan War (1912-1913) - against the Ottoman Empire
      In WWI - against the Entente, where RI also entered.
      In WWII - against the USA, England, and from September 1944 to May 1945 - against Germany. Bulgaria exhibited 100 in the composition of the 000rd Ukrainian Front. They did not fight against the USSR.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 05 New
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      Now what - onna red square? I do not believe.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 13 New
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      Would care - would not give apartments to the 70th age. Would be taken care of daily. And so - show off.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 11 New
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      You can be rude to everyone, but obviously each of you is not given an intelligent conversation. Obviously, degradation is affecting.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 08 New
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      Nda, that with the upbringing you have strained, of course, you can see, but that the brain is limping on both legs, it manifests itself more clearly. Take advantage of the opportunity to read, rather than knock on clave nonsense.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 04: 17 New
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Oh Maxim pulled himself up laughing
    I watched Bulgarian TV laughing
    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 05: 09 New
      0
      So what? I’m here to see Petrosyan all the time and look nearby and nothing.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 18 2020 17: 53 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Let's anneal with Boyan here for a couple

      Che anneal something. We look at narrow-minded characters as being rude to another state and its people. That, in principle, we do not care, but rudeness (like yours) can not be left unanswered. And then the shkolota will think - everything is fine and having seen enough of the nonsense of your folk hidtori channels and pseudo-programs, I modestly keep silent about sources and newspapers on the Internet fable - I will rush to be rude even more. Against our arguments, it’s not just the facts - you have nothing to put up with. One mat and the same templates that are refuted by links from the Wiki. Even other sources are not necessary.

      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      It's funny that they sucked their tongues

      And here is your intellectual level. Below the point of daydreaming.
      1. Gennady Fomkin
        Gennady Fomkin April 18 2020 19: 48 New
        -1
        Чтобы составить представление о таких персонажах как вы и ваших "аргументов" которые вы здесь пропихиваете постоянно ничего кроме откровенного хохота и насмешек ни у кого не вызывает ,умные болгары есть я их сам знаю таких но здесь НИ ОДНОГО !!! нету. : - ваших фольк-хидтори каналов и псевдопередач Я вообще то больше ваше телевидение смотрю Болгары наверно тоже судят по о нас по таким "передачам "Пусть говорят"и считают что здесь одни дегенераты живут . Настоящий Болгарин ни когда не будет обвинять кого то в своих неудачах он будет винить только самого себя. У меня во всяком случае сложилось такое впечатление . Вот ресурс "Факти", который каких только помоев на Россию не выливали.Нам не обидно? У них что, раздвоение личности, что ли? Или это bellum omnium contra omnes? .И помните в России есть присказка : Каков привет ,таков и ответ..Русских есть за что критиковать, но тут чувствуется эдакое чувство превосходства над русскими. Причем критикуют люди, которые уже сами разучились понимать что либо не говоря уже про вещи посложнее. Впрочем пусть братушки с братушками разбираются. Не но тут противно видеть болгарское высокомерие и злорадство.Будьте терпимее . Мы на друг дружкой еще хуже надсмехаемся и никто не обижается . Скоро праздник будет у вас "Великден" – то есть Пасха . У нас тоже.
  • Maksim
    Maksim April 18 2020 20: 39 New
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    It’s not disgusting to see Bulgarian arrogance and gloating.

    What is hi, such is the answer, it seems there was a saying, no! They say to us - how he responds, so he responds. NEVER did the Bulgars in VO be the first to be rude, but always responded to moronic (yes, you can put another warning) posts. Oh frankly boorish trick I am silent. Behave normally, and not with Great Russian arrogance and a sense of universal superiority over the slaves and people will reach out to you ... they will be normal. And if you want to equal chmyry, then you will be m.
    1. Gennady Fomkin
      Gennady Fomkin April 19 2020 05: 37 New
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      Ах болгарская "обидчивость" ,никто здесь не унижал болгар .Ругали на В О за конкретные дела и решения.которые не делают болгарам чести.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim April 19 2020 13: 51 New
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        Quote: Gennady Fomkin
        , no one here humiliated the Bulgarians

        Ndaaaa, Russian forgetfulness, it seems, is not Russian in general, however, how many people called here sardonically, how derogatoryly they equated the girl with a low social responsibility, as they did not lie. Do you think it is better to believe you than your own eyes?
        1. Gennady Fomkin
          Gennady Fomkin April 19 2020 14: 45 New
          -1
          Do you recall your posts?
          1. Maksim
            Maksim April 19 2020 17: 40 New
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            Of course - go ahead.
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    1. Maksim
      Maksim April 19 2020 13: 52 New
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      And you are not one of those whom the Bulgarians call: Mistresses, Sederasts.?

      Like you are one of those that in the Russian Federation I call liberals or crap?
  • major147
    major147 April 19 2020 20: 38 New
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    Quote: pytar
    In the case of overlapping TP, Gazprom will suffer first of all!

    In case of overlap, Turkey will suffer. Half of the gas in Turkey is from Russia.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 19 2020 21: 08 New
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      In case of overlap, Turkey will suffer. Half of the gas in Turkey is from Russia.

      This is true, although the Turks, too, have diversified from the sources, and in addition they are trying to get Cypriot ones. I repeat - Russia made a major mistake, giving so many trump cards in the hands of the unforeseen Erdogan. Turkey and Russia are doomed to be geopolitical rivals. But Russia and Bulgaria have no such problems. Everything can be decided, everything can be agreed. If not immediately, then after a while in a suitable environment. Politics must be built centuries ahead, as the Chinese do! Not day after day, situationally! hi