New Russian project 22350 frigates will receive enhanced weapons

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The seventh and eighth frigates of project 22350 will now be able to arm 24 assault missiles of various types. For example, it can be supersonic Zircon missiles.

It is reported by the news agency. TASSreferring to sources in the military-industrial complex.



The frigates in question are only about to lay at the Severnaya Verf shipyard. The same weapons will be able to get the “Admiral Chichagov” and “Admiral Amelko”, which were laid down in 2019.

The construction of the seventh and eighth frigates of the series is planned to be carried out according to an improved project, which provides for enhanced weapons. They will receive 24 vertical installations of the universal ship firing complex (UKSK) ZS-14, suitable for several types of missiles. They can be used to launch Caliber, Zircon or Onyx missiles.

The developers managed to carve out a place on board the frigate to add another one to two sections of eight launchers. In this case, the displacement of the frigate has changed slightly.

The laying of two new warships of project 22350 is scheduled for the end of this month. It is assumed that the frigates included in this series will become a serious deterrent and strengthen the defense capability of the Russian Federation.
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    1. +16
      April 17 2020 10: 49
      Here's the good news! Ships seven feet under the keel!
      1. +18
        April 17 2020 10: 54
        and reliable power plant ..
        1. +3
          April 17 2020 12: 39
          Quote: novel xnumx
          and reliable power plant ..

          Is there a problem with her?
          1. +4
            April 17 2020 12: 42
            is not it so...
          2. +2
            April 17 2020 15: 12
            Her reliable just no. Bye!
            1. +1
              April 17 2020 16: 07
              Her reliable just no. Bye!

              Well, yes, he would have such a power plant with which you can go on long trips without fear. Even to circumnavigate the world could go to demonstrate the capabilities of the power plant.
              Wait a minute ...
      2. +2
        April 17 2020 10: 55
        What are seven feet? Have you read the article carefully? They are only going to mortgage. That's when they are ready - then we wish
      3. +10
        April 17 2020 10: 58
        Well, that’s already something. The news is good. But I would like to speed up work on 22350 M. Although, in my opinion, it is more logical to equip Zircons primarily with submarines due to the numerical superiority of the conditional enemy in the surface fleet. In general, it would be nice to make air-based Zircon for those the same Su-34. Although the X-59MK2 is suitable for the first time as an anti-ship missile.
        1. -11
          April 17 2020 11: 05
          There is an opinion that "Zircon" is a chilled X-32.
          1. +9
            April 17 2020 11: 10
            Quote: oleg1263
            There is an opinion that "Zircon" is a chilled X-32.

            Are you laughing? X-32 is a colossus of almost more than 5 tons, there is only a warhead per ton weighing 12 meters long. It was created on the basis of X-22 and technologies tested on the X-90 GZUR.
            1. -3
              April 17 2020 11: 34
              No, I don’t laugh. X32 has less warheads than X22. This is the first, second - these are similar Technical characteristics, of those that can be found in the public domain - flight altitude, speed, and radius of destruction. Although, of course, a completely new development cannot be ruled out.
              1. +5
                April 17 2020 11: 47
                Find on the Internet a photo of the Tu-22M3 flight with two X-32s suspended for clarity. Look at the weight and parameters of the X-32 and figure out how to theoretically launch such a program from UKKS, from where Zircon is launched. UKKS parameters on the Internet are not a problem either.
              2. +1
                April 18 2020 01: 03
                Quote: oleg1263
                X32 has less warheads than X22

                due to which the fuel supply is increased and a more powerful engine is installed

                Quote: oleg1263
                the second is similar Technical characteristics, of those that can be found in the public domain - flight altitude, speed, and radius of destruction.

                nothing like that at all. The Kh-32 is not hypersonic; nothing is known about the altitude of the Zircon. As for the range, it depends solely on the fuel supply, the gluttony of the engine and the flight profile, and is not an indicator for counting as "relatives"
                You’d better look at the dimensions of the rocket, but remember that Zircon should be launched from the unified UKKS (the length of the rocket is not more than 9 meters, the diameter is up to 0,7 m, the mass is no more than 4 tons)
          2. +5
            April 17 2020 12: 13
            Quote: oleg1263
            There is an opinion that "Zircon" is a chilled X-32.

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            There is an opinion that this is the opinion of AMATEURS who do not know anything about rocketry! fool
            1. -1
              April 17 2020 12: 16
              A bit strange reaction. Motivate, if not difficult.
              1. +8
                April 17 2020 14: 33
                Quote: oleg1263
                A bit strange reaction. Motivate, if not difficult.

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                From what? Please include the brains given to us by nature and begin to compare:
                first: X-32 is a deep modernization of the X-22, which retained the same weight and dimensions, namely: dimensions 11.7 x 0.9 m (!) And weight - approx. 6.0 tons (!!). Those. neither by DIMENSIONS, nor by MASS in UKSK - well, it does NOT fit in ANYWHERE (even if you hammer it there with a sledgehammer! It can hardly fit into UKSK and Onyx, but its dimensions and weight are much more modest: 8.0 x 0,67 m and weight - 3.0 tons Conclusion: UKSK with X-32 missiles - CANNOT! And "Zircon" - maybe (and shoots)! So its mass-dimensional x-ki roughly correspond to "Onyx" (ie, it should be almost twice lighter and one third more compact than the X-32!
                Second: The Kh-32, like the prototype Kh-22, is a SINGLE-STAGE rocket with a LIQUID RD on "high-boiling" components! Moreover, the fuel is extremely toxic, and the oxidizing agent is an extremely aggressive substance! These rockets are refueled just before takeoff, and the fuel and oxidizer (if the rocket is not used) are drained off immediately after landing! Rockets very dangerous during operation and to put them on a ship, where there can be two and a half dozen of them - it just won't come to ANYONE's head too DANGEROUS !! Even "encapsulation" of fuel components is not an option!
                As for the "Zircon", it is a TWO-STAGE rocket, where the starting accelerator is a solid-fuel one, and the rocket itself has a DIRECT RD.
                The third The X-32 has a speed of no more than 4.5 M (i.e., do not call it "hypersonic" as something does not work!), "Zircon" - from 6 to 8-10 M (according to various sources).
                Fourth: The range of the X-32 (note - with an AIR start!) - no more than 1 km, which means that during a ground (sea) start from the surface and at zero initial speed, it should be at least 000 - 1.5 times LESS (i.e. . not more than 2.5-400 km), It seems to fit in with "Zircon", BUT: If we reduce the X-32 to the mass-dimensional x-k acceptable for the UKSK 3P-14, then the range will also shrink - up to 250-300 km! And "Zircon" according to all the data - no less than 400 (and according to some sources 600 - 1000 km!) .... Again, "awkward"
                Well, "for a snack" - appearance:
                X-32:

                "Zircon":

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                Well, WHAT IS IN COMMON between them? Ok what "chilled" X-32 can we talk about ????
                1. +2
                  April 17 2020 14: 37
                  Thank you.
                  1. +3
                    April 17 2020 15: 48
                    Quote: oleg1263
                    Thank you.

                    ======
                    It's my pleasure! drinks
          3. -2
            April 18 2020 00: 48
            Quote: oleg1263
            It is believed that "Zircon" is a chilled X-32

            where are the firewood ???

            Based on the available information, the X-32 is a further development of the X-22.
            X-32 is made in the case of X-22. Due to the reduced warhead increased tank volume. Replaced electronics.
            The length of the rocket is 11,65 meters
            Diameter - 0,92 meters
            Height with folded keel - 1,8 meters
            wing span - 3 meters
            Weight - 5,8 tons
            X-22 is not hypersonic (max speed of about 4000 km / h)
            The missile does not fit into the UKKS
        2. 0
          April 17 2020 11: 10
          That is - this is not 22350M?
          But there will be 24 kr ... And why
          first 16, if 24 can be put?
          1. +2
            April 17 2020 11: 14
            Quote: Doccor18
            That is - this is not 22350M?
            But there will be 24 kr ... And why
            first 16, if 24 can be put?

            Probably thought to build more than 22350, but it was smooth on paper. Yes, and the time was a bit different, more peaceful. Now the deadlines are running out and it is clear that many frigates cannot be built.
            1. +3
              April 17 2020 11: 22
              Again they will write me down as pessimists, but how many originally wanted to build: 48, 36, 24? Looks like no. 6-8 soon. So in any case, on such a modest number of ships, try to shove it to the maximum. Saving here can come sideways.
              1. +1
                April 17 2020 12: 33
                Looks like no. 6-8 soon

                If memory serves me 6 until 2020.
          2. +5
            April 17 2020 12: 32
            And why
            first 16, if 24 can be put?

            Probably because it’s impossible at first. Your K.O.

            PS: the news is such a news, not new at all. At the fifth and sixth pledged a year ago, they also promised 24 UKKS cells.
            1. 0
              April 17 2020 13: 25
              At the fifth and sixth pledged a year ago, they also promised 24 UKKS cells.

              And about the 22350M it was reported that they would have twice the ammunition load in the UKSK compared to the usual one ... Optimists for some reason immediately "doubled" this from 24 and counted as many as 48 missiles and not 32.
              1. -1
                April 17 2020 20: 36
                Quote: alexmach
                And about the 22350M it was reported that they would have twice the ammunition load in the UKSK compared to the usual one ... Optimists for some reason immediately "doubled" this from 24 and counted as many as 48 missiles and not 32.

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                "....The total displacement of the frigate will be increased to 7000 tons, the ammunition load of the Onyx, Zircon, and Caliber missiles will reach 48 units*. New frigates will be equipped with Poliment-Redut air defense missile systems from 96 cells for rockets. ..... "
                (*) - "Russia plans to build 12 modernized frigates of project 22350M" (https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6415468); "(https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6225675);
          3. +5
            April 17 2020 13: 35
            Quote: Doccor18
            And why
            first 16, if 24 can be put?

            In the process of construction and operation, information is gathered and on its basis some design changes can be made. In this case, we are talking about rearrangement of equipment in the compartment.
            1. 0
              April 17 2020 13: 42
              This is all logical.
              However, initially there are not enough 16 cells for the ship for the ocean zone and ... it seems ... the backbone of our surface component.
              1. +3
                April 17 2020 14: 10
                Quote: Doccor18
                initially not enough 16 cells

                There are 32 more PU Reduta.
                1. -2
                  April 17 2020 14: 51
                  We are talking about USC, and not about zrk. With zrk there is a separate song.
                  1. +4
                    April 17 2020 15: 06
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    With zrk there is a separate song.

                    So the ship is one and the place for installation is limited to its hulls.
                  2. +1
                    April 18 2020 12: 32
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    We are talking about USC, and not about ZKR

                    could spy on the Americans and put missiles in the same UKKS. In fact, the anti-aircraft missile doesn’t care where to start - from a separate launcher or from a unified launcher (if only the dimensions were consistent and there was a connection to the control system)
                    It seems they took the right direction (at UVP), but again did it half
                    1. -1
                      April 18 2020 12: 44
                      [quote = Grigory_45] [quote = Doccor18] We are talking about USK, and not about Zrk [/ quote]
                      could spy on the Americans and put missiles in the same UKKS. In fact, the anti-aircraft missile doesn’t care where to start - from a separate launcher or from a unified launcher (if only the dimensions were consistent and there was a connection to the control system)
                      It seems to have taken the right direction (at UVP), but again did it in half [/ quote
                      You are right, but ... our PCRs are larger than zur in size, if unified, the total number of cells will decrease.
                      Or go on the path of amers, but then you have to limit yourself to 1,5 ton rockets, and forget about onyx / zircons.
                      1. -1
                        April 18 2020 13: 12
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        but ... our PCRs are larger than zur in size

                        let's say not all.
                        If we talk about the current UKSK, then a rocket no larger than Onyx is placed in it (the caliber is a little smaller, Zircons should be installed in it, the problem will only be with the X-35). A long-range missile defense system will also fit well. If anti-aircraft missiles are small, they can be "packed" in several pieces in one cell (as they do in the world, as they do in our case with the same Redoubt). There is only one step left - not to make a separate UVP for the same Redoubt, but to place the missiles in a single launcher. Which can be equipped with missiles based on the specific mission facing the ship (air defense, anti-aircraft defense, strike on the shore, etc.)
                        1. -1
                          April 18 2020 13: 19
                          I agree with you. Redoubt and UKKS can be completely unified, if desired and with proper funding. However, Onyx, and, it seems, Zircon, is more than 500 mm in diameter. Onyx, if I am not mistaken, is 750 mm., And weighs more than 3 tons. Missiles of the Caliber family will be included in diameter, and in length, it seems, too. But they and TTX in a weaker way. But we are used to having our PCRs - PKRishche!
                        2. -1
                          April 18 2020 13: 53
                          Onyx stands up remarkably in UKSK 3S14 (the launcher was designed taking into account the use of missiles), it is not included in torpedo tubes.

                          Quote: Doccor18
                          we are accustomed that our pcr is PKRishche!

                          I had to pay for it with large dimensions and weight. In addition, most of the Soviet-era missiles are discontinued (the same Granites), therefore it makes no sense to focus on them. Nowadays we have only Onyxes, Caliber and X-35 from shipboard anti-ship missiles
              2. +3
                April 17 2020 15: 09
                However, initially not enough 16 cells for the ship for the ocean zone

                This is a ship DMZ
                1. +4
                  April 17 2020 16: 03
                  Well, the "Moskva" is generally a ship of the ocean zone, and something does not bother anyone with an ammunition load of 16 anti-ship missiles. Everyone kicks their chest that the ship is modern.
              3. +1
                April 17 2020 20: 26
                Quote: Doccor18
                However, initially not enough 16 cells for the ship for the ocean zone

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                22350 is in no way a ship of the OCEAN zone! According to the displacement, and the main parameters: seaworthiness, autonomy and range - this is a ship 2 (second!) rank - i.e. far sea zones!
                For such ships, 16 UKSK cells (including 32 cells of the Redut air defense missile system) is MORE than enough!
                For reference, the only frigate in the world that has comparable firepower - this is the Spanish "Alvaro de Bazan" - 48 cells of the air defense missile system + 8 (2x4) deck launchers of the "Harpoon" anti-ship missile system.
                All the rest are great inferior!
                1. +1
                  April 17 2020 21: 50
                  Destroyer - ship of the ocean zone. This is clear. A frigate is a ship in the maritime zone. This is also understandable. Everything would be weighed and in its place, if ... for our fleet they built both. However, we will have to be content only with frigates. And in the marine, and in the FAR marine, and in the ocean zones. Destroyers are not expected.
                  And if so, then the frigate should not be a frigate, but a SUPER frigate.
                  A comparison with the Spanish Navy is at least incorrect. First, Spain is in NATO, and we are on our own. Secondly, the Russian fleet has a much larger range of tasks than any of the European countries. This means that our ships must have more serious requirements.
                  1. +3
                    April 17 2020 22: 19
                    we will have to be content only with frigates. And in the marine, and in the FAR marine, and in the ocean zones. Destroyers are not expected.

                    Destroyers are expected. Only they will be called cunningly - frigates of some sort of second / third sub-series. Now they’ll fill their hand in the first buildings, and we’ll enter the rhythm along the engines.
                    1. 0
                      April 17 2020 22: 22
                      Quote: alma
                      Only they will be called cunningly frigates of some kind of second / third sub-series.
                      It would be better to return to the traditional name - the cruiser.
                      3rd rank - corvettes.
                      2nd rank - frigates.
                      1st rank - cruisers
                    2. +1
                      April 17 2020 22: 23
                      We will see.
                      If it is as you said, then it is simply ridiculous.
                  2. -2
                    April 17 2020 22: 31
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    Destroyer - ship of the ocean zone. This is clear. A frigate is a ship in the maritime zone. This is also understandable. Everything would be weighed and in its place, if ... for our fleet they built both.

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                    Do not quite understand the maxim? request
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                    Quote: Doccor18
                    However, we will have to be content only with frigates. And in the marine, and in the FAR marine, and in the ocean zones.

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                    In fact, who do they interferes? The division into "oceanic", "distant sea", "near sea" and "coastal" is a lot and it is very NORMAL! Likewise, the division of ships into "ranks":
                    1st rank - displacement> 5 tons (aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers, BOD, UDC and nuclear submarines) - "ocean zone" and "distant sea zone"; The ship commander is equal to the regiment commander.
                    2nd rank - a displacement of 1 - 500 tons (frigates, patrol boats, large landing craft, diesel-electric submarines) - "far sea zone"; The ship commander is equal to the battalion commander.
                    3rd rank - displacement of 500 - 1 tons (corvettes, MRK, MPK, minesweepers, etc.) - "near sea zone".
                    Ie, as you can see, the "table of ranks" is rather arbitrary! So, corvettes 20380, like 20385, according to the Russian classification - it is quite possible to refer to frigates! Paradox? No! Just the classification is a CONDITIONAL! For example, the 22350M is a "superfrigate" or is it a destroyer? By displacement - well, almost "Burke"; Armament - and much more powerful (144 UVP versus 98 - 117 on "Burks" ..... So - WHO will it be? "Superfrigate" ... Destroyer?
                    In principle, what is the difference in FIG? Yes, "even call it a pot!" .....
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                    Quote: Doccor18
                    A comparison with the Spanish Navy is at least incorrect.

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                    Hello to you! Are you, excuse me, out of your mind? And with whom, then, to compare, if not with a potential enemy? FROM Martians? Or with yourself? (fool sorry! surprised surprised!!!).
                    1. -1
                      April 17 2020 22: 39
                      [Quote] [/ quote]
                      Well .... insults rushed ...
                      The Spaniards themselves, once said that the "truncated" Aegis is fine for them, since they will use frigates exclusively as part of a squadron in the Bay of Biscay ...
                      I think that for our frigates they will pose broader tasks.
                      Therefore, I wrote about the incorrectness of comparing the Russian frigate with the Spanish. They have different tasks, and therefore there should be different opportunities.
                      1. -1
                        April 17 2020 23: 23
                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Well .... insults rushed ...

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                        Well, first of all, Alexander, if "rude" - I beg your pardon - did not want to offend! hi
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                        Quote: Doccor18
                        Therefore, I wrote about the incorrectness of comparing the Russian frigate with the Spanish. They have different tasks, and therefore there should be different opportunities.

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                        Lord! Yes, you, Alexander, unfortunately did not understand WHAT I wrote .... And I wrote about the COMPREHENSIVE (!!!) firepower! Yes! The tasks are DIFFERENT! .... So they are in ALL fleets (and even "inside" one fleet can be DIFFERENT!). And not even in one fleet, but even within the framework of ONE PROJECT! Yes Yes! Look at Project 1134 and 1134A - First - missile cruisersecond - BOD!!!
                        Question: And HOW do they compare then ???? The answer is simple, "like a corner of a house" - according to the TOTAL characteristics!
                        "de Bazan" is a frigate, "imprisoned" for air defense (by this parameter, it even surpasses such a "station wagon" as the "Pot". Not much but superior!). But at the same time seriously inferior to "Pot" in percussion, and especially in anti-submarine opportunities !!!
                        But! In terms of the COMPATIBLE firepower - they are COMPARABLE! Well, everyone else - "and didn’t lie close"! hi
          4. +2
            April 17 2020 16: 09
            Quote: Doccor18
            That is - this is not 22350M?

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            No! 22350M will have much more powerful armament: BC "Onyx", "Zircon", "Caliber" will reach 48 units (6 x 8 UKSK 3S-14), and the UVP of the "Polyment-Redut" air defense missile system will be increased from 32 to 96 cells. Those. by the number of beam cells, it will surpass Burke by almost 1.5 times!
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            Quote: Doccor18
            And why the first 16, if 24 can be put?

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            Probably, it was necessary to make sure that there would be no "overload" and there would be enough space .... Well, maybe some constructions made it easier ...
            1. 0
              April 17 2020 22: 20
              It was written that with an increase in the number of cells from 16 to 24, the displacement of the ship also increased. So it is possible that it was not the draft of the ship and the reduction of internal free volumes that increased, but the dimensions of the hull.
              1. -1
                April 17 2020 22: 48
                Quote: Peter is not the first
                It was written that with an increase in the number of cells from 16 to 24, the displacement of the ship also increased.

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                Peter! You inattentively read the article: "...The developers managed to carve out a place on board the frigate to add another one to two sections of eight launchers. At the same time, the frigate's displacement changed insignificantly..... "
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                Quote: Peter is not the first
                So it is possible that it was not the draft of the ship and the reduction of internal free volumes that increased, but the dimensions of the hull.

                ========
                Hardly! When the "Admiral Chichagov" and "Admiral Amelko" were laid last year, the speech about additional weapons was only considered as "hypothetical" .... This means the markings on the plaza, the manufacture of keel and frame elements, the cutting of sheets, etc. - everything went almost with a "guarantee" on the initial draft! But redesigning the interior at this stage of construction is quite possible!
                So, "I'll eat my hat" (with a cap to boot!), If they ("Chichagov" and "Amelko") - at least a meter will differ from "Pot" and "Kasatonych"! hi soldier
        3. +6
          April 17 2020 11: 12
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Although in my opinion it is more logical to equip Zircons in the first place

          Although, in my opinion, it is more logical to get at least one .. "fully functioning" Zircon, start mass production, and only then .. "puff out your cheeks (or spread your fingers wassat) and indulge in ... "sweet dreams and dreams" feel
          1. +1
            April 17 2020 11: 19
            And what do you think has been successfully tested as a last resort for a ground target in the northern Urals from the side of the frigate Gorshkov? You say so as if Zircon is a myth. For some reason, no one doubts about RCC Neptune. Although it is at the same stage.
            1. +2
              April 17 2020 11: 30
              Quote: Sky Strike fighter
              was tested for the last time on a ground target in the northern Urals from aboard the frigate Gorshkov?

              Between .. "tested" and ... "implementation" ........ a chasm of time wink
              Although for "urya-patriots" ... this is normal wassat
              1. +4
                April 17 2020 11: 40
                Between .. "tested" and ... "implementation" ........ a chasm of time wink

                Your words are relevant for RCC Neptune. You’ll be inundated with video, patriots of the local flood in ecstasy.
                1. +2
                  April 17 2020 11: 41
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Youtube is littered with video

                  But more specifically? belay
                  1. +1
                    April 17 2020 11: 43
                    Video of recent trials of RCC Neptune. Relax.
                2. +8
                  April 17 2020 16: 53
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Your words are relevant for RCC Neptune

                  Engaged in "ear-pulling" ... just to get out of the situation into which you drove yourself ... with your .. "slogans".
                  What does X_35 have to do with it? She will be already 35 years old in "lunchtime" ... "in the ranks".
                  And why shouldn’t this rocket suddenly have to fly at ..country 404?
                  1. 0
                    April 17 2020 17: 15
                    Engaging in ear-pulling

                    This is what you do.
                    just to get out of the situation into which they drove themselves ... with their .. "slogans".

                    In more detail, in what situation have we driven ourselves and what are interesting slogans?
                    What does X_35 have to do with it? She will be already 35 years old in "lunchtime" ... "in the ranks".

                    Since 2003, the first version of the X-35 is in service, since 2015, the universal X-35U is in service. I spoke about Neptune and was surprised at your bias towards the trials of Zircon, while with similar trials of Neptune you have directly opposite emotions. And where is your objectivity?
                    And why shouldn’t this rocket suddenly have to fly at ..country 404?

                    And why shouldn’t the Zircon rocket suddenly have to fly near the Russian Federation? I did not say that Neptune should not.
                    1. +9
                      April 17 2020 17: 47
                      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                      and marveled at your bias towards the trials of Zircon

                      I have no bias towards Zircon, but there are .. claims to your .. "fiddling"!
                      Today, there are in fact slogans, media articles and one photo ... supposedly ...

                      Do you know about the gopher? wassat
                      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                      while with similar trials of Neptune you have exactly the opposite emotions

                      And what are my emotions about "Neptune" ???? belay
                      The fact that he flies, and not ... "runs" wassat
                      After all, you yourself write that the first X-35s were in service with us in 2003, but in general:

                      The first version of the preliminary design of the rocket was considered in 1983 and, due to non-compliance with the requirements for the characteristics of the radar seeker, it was sent for revision (source). According to sources, another Resolution on the development of the complex was adopted by the USSR Council of Ministers on April 16, 1984 (source).

                      Tests The first launch from the landfill ground launcher was planned on November 4, 1985, but due to a malfunction in automation (incorrect information was issued about the opening of the TPK covers), the launch did not take place. The first successful launch was carried out (on the second attempt that day) on November 5, 1985 at the training ground of the 31st Test Center of the USSR Ministry of Defense (Feodosia, Crimea). According to the launch program, it was assumed that the rocket would fly 40 km. The missile successfully left the TPK, flew about 50 meters and fell into the sea (source). This launch is considered the first launch in the program of flight design tests of RCC X-35.

                      The first public demonstration of the rocket took place at the "Mosaeroshow-1992" exhibition.
                      So why can't it be in the country 404? request
                      And what are your slogans? - as in that joke ... "let's run another 3 laps Karl and we ... catch up with her" wassat
                      1. -3
                        April 17 2020 18: 03
                        That is, the reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the defeat of the ground target by Zircon at a distance of more than 500 km from the side of the frigate Gorshkov and the data of the American intelligence about the test of Zircon do not believe you. Do you see the need to show the goods face, despite the fact that this is a secret development? Otherwise, you won’t take anyone’s word. Have I correctly stated your train of thought?
                        By the way, you didn’t mention the gopher in vain. If you do not see the gopher, it does not mean that it is not there. It is the same with Zircon. See everything in due time.
                        So why can't it be in the country 404?

                        I ask again: when did I say that?
                        as in that joke ... "let's run another 3 laps Karl and we ... catch up with her"

                        What is it and what is it about? Which Karl? Who will catch up with whom? Zircon is a new milestone in the history of the creation of RCC / KR, for the first time and again it’s a hypersound, and even in quite compact reasonable sizes, naturally no one is going to share information. And you show it all, show it.
                        1. +7
                          April 17 2020 19: 47
                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          That is, the reports of the Russian Defense Ministry about the defeat of a ground target by Zircon at a distance of more than 500 km from the side of the frigate Gorshkov

                          I personally have nothing but 2bukFF ".
                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          and you don’t believe the US intelligence about the Zircon test.

                          Why do not I believe ... I believe. That the tests are underway and I believe the Americans ... after all, only you think that a potential enemy can only .. "slurp soup with bast shoes."
                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          See everything in due time.

                          Now when we see, then we will fellow
                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          So why can't it be in the country 404?

                          I ask again: when did I say that?

                          And this is not your quote ??? -
                          Your words are relevant for RCC Neptune. You’ll be inundated with video, patriots of the local flood in ecstasy.

                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          Zircon is a new milestone in the history of the creation of anti-ship missiles / missiles, for the first time and again it’s a hypersound, and even in quite compact reasonable sizes

                          Long-range hypersonic cruise missile (project) / hypersonic experimental aircraft (GELA). The development of the X-90 rocket was carried out at the Raduga Design Bureau (Dubna) together with TsAGI in the 1980s to replace the X-55 KRBD in service with Long-Range Aviation. General Designer - I.S. Seleznev. The development was a continuation of the work on the creation of a hypersonic missile, begun at the Raduga Design Bureau in the early 1970s by the creation of the Model 1 hypersonic prototypes (tested in 1973-1978) and Model 2 (1980-1985). ). Preparation of production and production of missiles on the B-239 theme of the "Raduga" design bureau began in 1986 at the Tushino machine-building plant. In addition to several technological and design examples on the B-239 theme, three flying missiles were also built. We have no information on successful flight tests of the X-90.

                          On the basis of the X-90 rocket project, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, an experimental hypersonic apparatus, GELA, was created and supposedly tested (source). According to unconfirmed data from the TV programs, the first flight tests of either the X-90 prototype or the GELA took place at Engels airbase in early December 1987. The airborne rocket engine test bench for the GELA, designed for marching speed 4.5M, was successfully completed in October 1988. Project work X-90s were discontinued in 1992. For the first time in public, the GEL apparatus was demonstrated at the MAKS-1995 air show in Ramenskoye.

                          When describing the X-90 / GELA missile in various media and other sources (including well-deserved ones), confusion often arises with the "Meteorite" missile system - AS-X-19 KOALA.
                        2. -3
                          April 17 2020 20: 29
                          Well, how much did the X-90 weigh? 15 tons. It was planned to place 160 X-2s on the Tu-90. The range of 3000-3500 km was good, but the weight was bad. It was largely because of this that the X-90 was not adopted for service. There are few platforms for them. Zircon fits into the standard UKKS sizes at hypersonic speed, which for the first time achieved a balance between the size and performance characteristics of a hypersonic missile.
                        3. -1
                          April 18 2020 13: 27
                          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                          Zircon, however, fully fits into the standard UKKS sizes at hypersonic speed, which is the first time that a balance has been achieved between the size and performance characteristics of a hypersonic missile

                          Do you know the performance characteristics of the rocket (Zircon)? Where, if, as you say, the development is so secret that you can’t even show a photograph of a rocket? A TTX can be published?
    2. +4
      April 17 2020 10: 55
      The developers managed to carve out a place on board the frigate to add another one to two sections of eight launchers. In this case, the displacement of the frigate has changed slightly.
      That's interesting - how? Maybe the dimensions were increased, but the layout was redrawn. Or maybe the crew will be smaller, and more automation. In general, of course, the good news ... 24 launchers .. not enough! wink
      1. +10
        April 17 2020 10: 59
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        24 launchers .. not enough!

        request so and so "thrust unsupported". And thanks for that
        1. +1
          April 17 2020 11: 14
          Quote: Overlock
          so and so "thrust unsupported". And thanks for that

          Promise (which is done very regularly at the latest and on all ... "fronts" wink ) does not mean yet ..... "marry" wassat
      2. -1
        April 17 2020 11: 01
        For the frigate 22350, its size is normal. But why didn’t you find a place for 24 launchers from the very beginning, if this was originally possible?
        1. +2
          April 17 2020 11: 17
          Most likely, the free volumes pledged for modernization were used. And maybe they stung the crew’s area, taking out some of the equipment from the vacated area.
          Although, who can except the developers themselves know exactly. hi
      3. 0
        April 17 2020 12: 40
        That's interesting - how?

        If you take a look at the photographs you can see that the UKKS are placed perpendicular to the board in the bow. Perhaps lengthened by a meter and a half to 2 of one of the sections?
        1. +2
          April 17 2020 13: 30
          Quote: alexmach
          Perhaps lengthened by a meter and a half to 2 of one of the sections?

          Nope, we turned it 90 degrees (in the position "along the side) and fit exactly 3 UKSK. Such a decision immediately suggested itself - it is obvious that the place is walking. And the BC of 24 RC is much more rational:
          - 8 PLO;
          - 8 anti-ship missiles;
          - 8 KR on the ground.
          As a result, to fulfill the knowledge base there will be an assortment for everything, with possible variations.
          1. 0
            April 17 2020 16: 00
            Nope, they turned it 90 degrees (in the "along the side" position) and fit exactly 3 UKSK. Such a decision suggested itself right away - it is obvious that the place is walking

            Obviously the place is walking? And the mass also walks? And where is she walking?

            The mass of one UKKS 14 tons. If, for example, load it with Onyxes we get + 24 Tons. Onyxes in the Launch glass + 31 tons, okay, well, let's say we dispensed with glasses, total + 8 UKKS cells are + 38 tons. Is it like this just that you can add 38 tons to the bow of the ship? or still you have to add something else to balance the stern? Yes, and given the fact that the missiles, of which now in three UKKS can be up to 73 tons, can shoot, which will ease the nose ...
            1. +3
              April 17 2020 19: 17
              How exactly the three UKKS will be located was shown a year ago, when the previous two buildings were laid. Surely they also thought about balancing, but unfortunately they did not report the details ... request
              The 22350M seems to add a section with three more UKKS in the same way located, bringing the ammunition up to 48 units. The picture was also given.
              1. 0
                April 17 2020 19: 21
                Quote: bayard
                The 22350M seems to add a section with three more UKKS in the same way located, bringing the ammunition up to 48 units.

                No, there the whole ammunition will be increased by both Caliber and Redoubt.
                1. 0
                  April 17 2020 20: 16
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  No, there the whole ammunition will be increased by both Caliber and Redoubt.

                  Well, that means two sections.
                  Just kidding.
                  Of course I know about it. Hopefully next year they will already be laid.
                  1. +1
                    April 17 2020 22: 20
                    Quote: bayard
                    Hopefully next year already laid

                    I hope.
              2. +1
                April 17 2020 20: 24
                How exactly three UKKS will be placed was shown a year ago

                Unfortunately, I have not seen.
                But in general, as they have already said in other comments, the main question is not how they will be raised, but how quickly they can be built in a series ...
                1. +1
                  April 17 2020 23: 53
                  Everything will depend on how domestic power plants show themselves on sea trials. If there are no complicated shoals and you don’t have to redo / eliminate anything critical, then the power plant is successful and nothing will hinder serial production.
                  And if there is a power plant, then the rate of construction of frigates will be 4 - 5 years - 5 years at the initial stage and about 4 years when the series goes into acceleration. The fact that this will be so is evidenced by the construction time of the previous series of frigates - the so-called. "Indian order". Then, in general, they fit into 3,5 years. And the first three Black Sea frigates were built at the same pace.
                  The same will happen with the 22350 and 22350M, when all issues with the power plant will be resolved, now only this slows down normal operation. And the fact that the frigates are laying in pairs for the second year, indicates that everything should be normal with the GEM.
                  Another sign of this is the early launch of a frigate from the first domestic power plant. They were supposed to be lowered in the middle of summer, and lowered in the period from late April to early May. So installation installation went smoothly and without any problems. It remains to wait for the descent and sea trials.
                  After 5 years, the entire series (8 frigates) will be in operation.
                  1. 0
                    April 18 2020 09: 47
                    After 5 years, the entire series (8 frigates) will be in operation.

                    Hmm ... just need more of them ... But in general, your forecast is realistic.
                    Here, in my opinion, not only the question is "how will they show" but also the speed of production, including the power plant. The first pilot was assembled at the stand for almost a year.
                    1. 0
                      April 18 2020 11: 35
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Hmm ... just need more of them ..

                      If you are about the prospect in 5 years, then if the 22350M bookmarks begin next year at a rate of 2 per year, then there will be another 5 8M destroyers on the stocks, in completion and in tests (22350 years later). But this is if you build on one shipyard, and USC seems going to drive them with two shipyards, apparently they will connect Kaliningrad.
                      Production capacities for power plants were created \ are created at the rate of building a large fleet at a good pace, so there will be enough power plants for shipyards. If only their tests and refinement passed without delays and executions.
                      1. 0
                        April 18 2020 17: 14
                        then if bookmarks 22350M begin next year at a rate of 2 per year

                        and USC seems going to drive them by two shipyards, apparently they will connect Kaliningrad

                        Oops .. and here you have become overly optimistic.
                        1. +1
                          April 18 2020 18: 40
                          I just listed the statements made, but any loafer can fill up any good deed.
                          I appreciated the opportunities and plans. There were statements from USC that they were ready to lay 4 buildings each year only in the Baltic shipyards ... which, by the way, was done last year. How will it be - let's see.
                          Well, the reasons for our long-term construction should be looked at objectively. There are already (I hope) no reasons for them, but the work will show everything.
                        2. +1
                          April 19 2020 10: 44
                          Hmm .. see what they write in the next article. As per order.
                          Regarding the improved frigate of project 22350M, it is reported that after the completion of the preliminary design in 2019, the military did not make any decision on further work on the project.

                          In general, there is no certainty regarding the 22350M, only a preliminary design is ready, and so far no specifics are on.
                          There were statements from USC that they were ready to lay 4 buildings each year only in the Baltic shipyards ... which, by the way, was done last year. How will it be - let's see.
                        3. 0
                          April 19 2020 13: 16
                          In the next article (in the comments) I already wrote off my opinion. In addition, it was still about plans to force majeure with a fictitious virus. If the space marines landed from the planet Nibiru tomorrow, they will show it to us on TV and ask them to throw in cartridges, this will also be a new reality and an occasion to abandon some plans.
                          With 22350M problems most likely with power plants on gas turbines M70FRU and M90FR and their gearbox, and laying ships with an unprepared and untested power plant is a crime. Apparently, therefore, it was decided so far to slow down work with the 22350M, and continue to continue the 22350+ series. Therefore, quite recently, the opinion was voiced that a brigade of frigates 22350+ would also be built for the Black Sea Fleet.
                          But even these plans are directly dependent on whether the landing party will land from Nibiru, and whether the evil coronovirus will eat everyone.
                          In the meantime - Christ is Risen, The fire was lit, life goes on! drinks
                        4. 0
                          April 19 2020 18: 00
                          In addition, it was still about plans to force majeure with a fictitious virus

                          But what does the virus have to do with it. It is said that they finished the sketch design in 2019, even before the virus, the Ministry of Defense thinks further. If he thinks that means there are no plans yet. And all the statements like "we could" are talking about nothing.
                          With 22350M problems are most likely with power plants on gas turbines M70FRU and M90FR and their gearbox

                          Experts say that the problems with these power plants, and especially with the gearboxes, should be less than with the power plant 22350. Two high-speed turbines are easier to make friends than a turbine and a diesel engine.
                          and laying ships with an unprepared and untested GEM is a crime

                          Firstly, no crime. The ship and the power plant for it begin to build plus or minus at the same time. Well, experience 22350 showed that Russia is able to bring at least one project to its logical end. And the GEM by 22350M would be brought to readiness.

                          Well, with one comment above, you wrote that almost 2 brigades of them will be laid down in the next 5 years ... This ship will not be ready for bookmarking, let alone mass. Moreover, there is no decision to build them yet.
                          Apparently, therefore, it was decided so far to slow down the work with the 22350M

                          IMHO a strange decision, maybe by the way they are waiting for launching and testing 22350+
                          Therefore, quite recently, the opinion was voiced that a brigade of frigates 22350+ would also be built for the Black Sea Fleet

                          The brigade? Yes, at least a couple would have been built for him, I’m still silent about at least the brigade for the Pacific Fleet and the Northern Fleet. And this is already almost 2 times more than the number of ships laid down and planned for construction at the given moment.
                          But generally correct. 22350 and + should be built as much as possible until other ships of other development options for the surface fleet capable of operating in the DMZ have been mastered and there are none.
                        5. 0
                          April 19 2020 18: 43
                          Quote: alexmach
                          Yes, what does the virus have to do with it?

                          Well, let me restrain my unreasonable fears. lol

                          Quote: alexmach
                          It is said that they finished the outline design in 2019,

                          Yes, at the end of the year. And this year (presumably until the end of it) a full technical project should be completed.
                          But.
                          One of these days (until the middle of May) the first frigate with the domestic power plant should be launched. Sea trials of it can begin before the end of this year, but they need at least another year to complete them.
                          At this time, the GEM for the 22350M is not yet ready. It is of course simpler to implement, you are right, but on it the work of both turbines should be plus on the gearbox at full speed. That is, this GEM must be properly tested first at the stand, and it will take a year or two.
                          Moreover, with such difficulty the obtained GEM for 22350, if the series is not continued, may be limited to a series of only 4 sets ... this is very, VERY irrational. Therefore, it seems that a decision was made to continue the 22350+ series, laying MORE 4 pcs. for the Black Sea Fleet, bringing the entire series to at least 12 copies. The very two years of the lag, before the appearance of a fully tested GEM for the 22350M, can be used for laying them.
                          That is, the capacity of CVDs will not be idle, on the contrary, they will be fully utilized. But when the industry is fully ready for the laying of 22350M, they will be laid. And the percentage of novelty in new ships relative to 22350 will not exceed 15 - 20%, which is the optimum for the industry. After all, 22350M is the same "Gorshkov", but with a larger VI, with a new power plant and an increased ammunition load (CD and SAM). Everything else will be the same.
                          And this is good .
                          In addition, enterprises must also be prepared to start production of a new GEM, and this is time, costs and stress for the industry. Therefore, the industry should be protected from stress.
                          Quote: alexmach

                          Well, with one comment above, you wrote that there will be almost 2 brigades of them in the next 5 years ...

                          This is not my statement, but Putin and the head of the USC - 12 frigate-destroyers, with an option for another 6 pcs.
                          Decision is made .
                          But the contracts have not been signed yet, because there is not yet a technical project and the GEM is not ready. Well, the new production will not be pulled by the launch of almost simultaneously the production of TWO new power plants request , let it be gradual - launch turbodiesel couples, fix all their childhood illnesses and launch full and reliable products in a series, and only then launch the next product in a series. So it will be more correct.
                          It seems to me that this is the case.
                          In any case, the ships will be laid down, which we should see very soon - before May 9th. hi
    3. +1
      April 17 2020 11: 00
      It will be pleasant when the ships are launched, otherwise there was talk at the top about the revision of cash flows in the defense industry. The owners of factories and shipyards, amid the economic downturn, will begin to tear the budget cake and pull the blanket over themselves and, as usual, accuse each other of disrupting the defense order. Examples are already available.
      1. +3
        April 17 2020 11: 07
        But what’s the point? This will only aggravate the situation, because then factories will rise and unemployment will increase. During the crisis, it is necessary to start new jobs in order to revive the economy and overcome the crisis, and not vice versa. These are elementary things. What is not clear? If everything is stopped, then it is simply impossible to get out of the crisis. Post-Soviet Eastern Europe, as an example, where everything stopped after the Union and everything in industry is not very successful.
    4. 0
      April 17 2020 11: 03
      The power of the Navy is growing !!
    5. +1
      April 17 2020 11: 17
      According to the good frigates 22350 and 22350m, 15 pieces and 30 pieces are needed now, after 15-20 years, all fleets will be retired, as 956 Sarychei, BPC 1155, old Black Sea men and Baltic 11540 are dropped out. and in general, the GEM needs to be addressed first. The project is excellent, if you expand the bottlenecks and build it continuously in large batches, you can reduce the cost and seriously accelerate the construction. It would be nice, after solving issues with the geo-electric power plant, to master the project also at Yantar. TO BUILD IMMEDIATELY ON TWO SHIPYARDS.
    6. +3
      April 17 2020 12: 19
      "It is assumed that the frigates of this series will become a serious deterrent and strengthen the defense capability of the Russian Federation." For this, they must at least be! And then for the required period of 8 ships were handed over 1! And God forbid this year the fleet will be handed over
    7. +2
      April 17 2020 14: 00
      Quote: oleg1263
      A bit strange reaction. Motivate, if not difficult.

      Sorry, Oleg, and how to motivate? To motivate, excuse me, your stupidity about the fact that "Zircon" is a chilled X-32? You can find out how it is possible to shove rockets, 12 meters long and in dimensions (the circumscribed circle around the folded planes - about 1,3-1,5 meters) into a universal launcher 8-8,5 meters long and less than 0,9 meters in diameter? To hammer her there with a sledgehammer?
    8. +2
      April 17 2020 21: 33
      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Well, how many X-90 weighed

      And there was no such rocket. Its name is an invention of our media. What is now called "not our" word "Fake".
    9. 0
      April 18 2020 15: 27
      The seventh and eighth frigates of project 22350 will now be able to arm 24 assault missiles of various types.
      years ago, news about the laying of frigates sounded the same ....
    10. 0
      April 18 2020 15: 29
      24 ... four times smaller than Arlie Burke and almost five times smaller than Type 55 ... What to be proud of?

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