KienThuc: how to turn a US ship into a “Russified” frigate


The American patrol ship, which appeared in the service of the coast guard of Vietnam, can be converted into a full-fledged frigate, taking its rightful place in the local navy battle pennants. This opinion was expressed by the publication KienThuc.


A Hamilton class Morgenthau patrol ship with a displacement of 3000 tons was handed over to Hanoi in May 2017 at no cost, as part of military assistance. At the same time, weapons were dismantled from it, which is the traditional practice of the United States when exporting ships abroad. Only a 76 mm gun was left.

However, we can completely re-equip this type of warship.

- writes KienThuc.

Ships of this class were created during the Cold War era and implied the possibility of transformation into shock pennants of the American fleet: on board there is a place for installing the Mk 141 GARP Harpoon launcher.

In terms of the payload given to it, the fully armed Hamilton is able to act as a frigate

- indicates the Vietnamese edition.

According to him, Vietnam is able to modify Morgenthau by deploying on its board the KT-184 launcher for the Kh-35 missiles [Uranium complex], the Positive-ME active airborne radar and the Harpoon-Ball fire control radar. All these systems are manufactured in the Russian Federation, in connection with which, in fact, we are talking about the "Russification" of the American patrol ship.

Expanded to the level of "frigate" Hamilton in the Vietnamese fleet will have an extremely formidable force

- concludes KienThuc.

Recall that a similar "procedure" has already passed the former South Korean class "Pohan" corvette, which received the Uran UCC in Vietnam.

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  1. Avior April 17 2020 05: 47 New
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    And what about the air defense, without which the frigate would not be?
    1. Probably, for starters, they will put fighters with MANPADS, and then ... Either they will acquire a marine version of the "shell", or they will make something themselves.
      1. Avior April 17 2020 08: 46 New
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        weak for a frigate
        even the shell
        Now a corvette with air defense with a range of less than 30-50 km is better not even to meet with helicopters
        And with aircraft, all the more so, there will be little chance
        what to say about the frigate
        1. The leader of the Redskins April 17 2020 08: 52 New
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          But I still do not see other ways for the Vietnamese Navy. request
          1. Avior April 17 2020 08: 59 New
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            They will deliver anti-ship missiles, MANPADS - there will be a reinforced patrol
            All the same, the frigate assumes air defense and plo, and not just PCR
            maybe they’ll add some Israeli to Barack or something French, maybe a shell or some Umkant
            but a full-fledged frigate will not work anyway, in my opinion
      2. Angry April 17 2020 09: 46 New
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        Well, let's start with the fact that we still have the ZPRAK “PM” and it is not clear when it will appear. But the ZRAK “Palma” on the TFR pr.11661 “Cheetah” took root in them. They say they are satisfied. Probably just one such, or even two, they can install on the Hamilton.
    2. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 10: 34 New
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      Quote: Avior
      And what about the air defense, without which the frigate would not be?

      in the best case, they will deliver some short-range based on MANPADS missiles (such as Bending). And most likely - ZAK will cost.

      Well, the frigate in any case does not work. Wrong cake. It is too expensive to redo this junk into a frigate. As he was a guard, it will remain so.
  2. Mitroha April 17 2020 06: 03 New
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    The Vietnamese have always been very economical about the weapons received. In every possible way trying to modify and modernize it, extending the service life. A very pragmatic and economical approach for this small but proud country
    1. Zoldat_A April 17 2020 07: 15 New
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      Quote: Mitroha
      The Vietnamese have always been very economical about the weapons received. In every possible way trying to modify and modernize it, extending the service life. A very pragmatic and economical approach for this small but proud country

      My father, who had experience in interacting with the military of different countries, said that the Vietnamese stood out very strongly for the better in terms of learning ability, a desire to learn, and they went with their tail asking to explain what they did not understand the first time. And he noted the wild performance and discipline of the Vietnamese - even in the rice field, even in the jungle with a gun, even in the classroom.

      Therefore, I think if they strongly want to make a frigate from a patrol ship, they will.
      1. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 10: 37 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Therefore, I think if they strongly want to make a frigate from a patrol ship, they will.

        here one desire is very small - you need money, and in such a quantity that it is probably better to order a new ship (especially considering the age of the "gift")
  3. rotmistr60 April 17 2020 06: 23 New
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    The Americans probably did not expect such agility and sharpness from the Vietnamese and now perhaps they think, but was it worth it to transfer a patrol ship? Moreover, the Vietnamese side already has experience
    the former “Pohan” class South Korean corvette has already passed a similar “procedure”
    1. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 11: 20 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      The Americans probably did not expect such agility and sharpness from the Vietnamese and now perhaps they think, but was it worth it to transfer a patrol ship?

      they do not value this stuff. Since 2011, Hamilton has been actively withdrawn from the US Coast Guard and sold to foreign fleets. Three ships were transferred to the Philippine Navy (WHEC 715 Hamilton, WHEC 716 Dallas and WHEC 719 Boutwell), 2 to the Navy of Nigeria (WHEC 718 Chase and WHEC 721 Gallatin), 2 to the Navy of Bangladesh (WHEC 723 Rush and WHEC 725 Jarvis), 1 - Navy of Vietnam
  4. Graz April 17 2020 06: 27 New
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    and what happened to the ship 3 years after the transfer to Vietnam?
    Is it not too late for the Vietnamese to sniff, it was not new, to say the least, it wasn’t equipped for another 3 years, and now how long will it be equipped
    1. jonht April 17 2020 07: 42 New
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      Handing over papers and handing over the ship itself are two big differences. Add that a project is needed for the alteration, and most likely they didn’t give the drawings and schemes to Vietnam, then from the beginning it was necessary to carry out reverse engineering and only then calculate the project. And that’s it, time.
      1. Angry April 17 2020 10: 00 New
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        Of course, the Americans betrayed the ship of BOKHR with some sort of hope ... He didn’t shine with their armaments either. And anti-ship missiles are foreseen on it, but have never been installed, from the air defense only Zak "Vulkan-Falanks". But there was no PLO at all? It is interesting to Vietnam as the largest BNK of their fleet. But no one has canceled their age, and they are already 50 years old .... Against the background of the refusal to purchase the Sigma, and the age of the ship, they are unlikely to start any serious fashion. And of the weapons that they have, of course, they will deliver the Uran UCC, Palma anti-ship missile system, South Korean anti-submarine TA, a helicopter already exists, and they will send controversial international waters to patrol.
        1. jonht April 17 2020 10: 08 New
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          Well, as patrolmen, he can still serve in full, there is a PLO especially not needed. The main task is to show presence, fix violations and stop them. If it turns out hi.
          1. Angry April 17 2020 10: 12 New
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            Of course, as an option, you don’t spend money on the old man’s fashion, but relieve the load on the BNCs that carry databases in conflict areas. Autonomy there is exactly 60 days ... The same BOHR for international waters.
        2. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 12: 26 New
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          Quote: Angry
          But there was no PLO at all?

          originally - it was. As part of the GAS SQS-3S, two three-tube TAs for 324-mm torpedoes and a pair of Hedgehogs, plus a helicopter. Pretty good for TFR (in fact, the Hamiltons were very good for their time. And instead of the 76-mm Oto-Melara there was a 127-mm gun mount)
          During the modernization of 1985-1993, all the ships of the series were equipped with new fire control systems, radar stations, electronic warfare systems, the 127-mm automatic control system was replaced with a 76-mm automatic machine, the six-barreled Vulkan-Falanks was installed, and the PLO armament was apparently removed ( because after it does not appear in the armament)
    2. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 11: 17 New
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      Quote: Graz
      and what happened to the ship 3 years after the transfer to Vietnam?

      WHEC 722 Morgenthau retired from the U.S. Coast Guard in 2017. In April, he was officially transferred to Vietnam. The ship must undergo repairs and preparations for the transition, the United States also pledged (for Vietnamese money) to train the team.
  5. Oleg Olkha April 17 2020 13: 08 New
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    A unique ship in its design, seaworthiness and durability, as it should be. At one time, Filipinos made a request to Israel about the possibility of modernization and prices (AFAR radar, combat control system, anti-ship missiles, air defense / missile defense, electronic warfare, etc., etc.) Naturally, it turned out to be very expensive and coordination with the Americans on loads and structures was required ( when inserting and placing under deck cassettes Barak-8 / C-DOME) electromagnetic compatibility with existing navigation systems, cable channels, fire safety, etc. A powerful frigate of "blue water" would turn out to be powerful.
    1. Avior April 17 2020 13: 41 New
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      I watched how the Filipinos ordered it
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Gregorio_del_Pilar_(PS-15)
      Actually left by the patrolman
      Only instead of the phalanx they put another Bushmaster with optical guidance, in my opinion not even anti-aircraft
      1. Oleg Olkha April 17 2020 13: 54 New
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        It’s really serious to remake the finished for someone else’s, while designing the “unknown”, it’s practically not feasible for sane money and time. Not without reason does the old English proverb of shipbuilders say: - "steel is cheap and air is free", it’s easier to build a new building.
  6. tolmachiev51 April 18 2020 03: 32 New
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    - "A Hamilton class Morgenthau patrol ship with a displacement of 3000 tons was handed over to Hanoi in May 2017 at no cost, as part of military assistance" - how beautifully served !!! a gesture of free will. We got rid of the trash, just not to pay for disposal ..
  7. Grigory_45 April 18 2020 10: 23 New
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    In terms of the payload given to it, the fully armed Hamilton is able to act as a frigate
    then they rolled out the sponge, they would have reached the corvette.

    In terms of the payload given to it, the fully armed Hamilton is able to act as a frigate
    not in drums. Just a little better armed. Soviet icebreakers also imply the installation of weapons during the war period (Russian ones, including the installation of missile systems), this does not make icebreakers strike ships

    At the same time, weapons were dismantled from it, which is the traditional practice of the United States when exporting ships abroad. Only a 76 mm gun was left.
    it would be something to dismantle))




    Hamilton-type ships (total displacement of 3350 tons, length 115,2 m, power plant - 2 x diesel and 2 x gas turbine engines, maximum speed - 29 knots, cruising range - 9600 nautical miles at a speed of 15 knots, autonomy 45 days, a crew of 167 people) became part of the US Coast Guard from 1967 to 1972. Ships of this class have great autonomy, were actively involved in intercepting ships trying to illegally deliver foreigners, smuggled goods, primarily drugs, to the United States, and also to protect the country's exclusively economic zone.
    The armament includes a 76-mm gun mount Mk 75, two 25-mm AU Mk 28, six-barrel ZAK "Vulkan-Falanks"; two 12,7-mm machine guns, two launchers for staging obstruction and false targets. The ships are equipped with a hangar and a take-off platform for one Jeyhawk helicopter. Hamilton-type TFRs are close to reaching maximum terms of stay in the combat fleet coast guard established for ships of this class.
    that is why ships are handed out to third world countries. For the Americans to dispose of them will cost more. The Americans will also make money on them - although the ships themselves are transferred free of charge, the recipient country must pay for the repairs and necessary modifications to the ships, and the training of their crews in the USA.
    1. Avior April 18 2020 10: 43 New
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      It’s not a problem to dispose of it - they sold it under the hammer, and then private owners will cut it, it’s a long-established system.
      Americans emphasize with such transfers of ships who is their ally, who is not.
      And the fact that they gave Vietnam is a symbol