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Reboot matrix. The political crisis in Russia

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While citizens around the world are self-insulating, very important processes are taking place. “Reset matrix”: on the example of Russia, you can clearly see the destruction of the old world, the current socio-political and economic system.


Reality change


The global global financial system is collapsing. Oil system. Countries that felt very good in this system, including the Russian Federation, are plunging into a tough crisis. Governments and elites are deliberately breaking the economic ties that have developed over decades. Production stops, unemployment, poverty and crime are growing rapidly. People thrown into conditions of self-isolation sharply reduce consumption. But their resources are limited, so in a month, two or three they will look for sources of subsistence, which will intensify the processes of turmoil. Either a huge social transformation will be carried out - people will be made dependent on external assistance, they will restrict their rights in return and introduce a social rating (in a word, “digital concentration camp”).

In particular, under the pretext of fighting the virus, Bill Gates has already proposed a global project to chip people through vaccination. True, while Trump is opposed to this idea and therefore refused to fund the World Health Organization. In Russia, the leaders are Moscow, where they are trying to break in the technology of new personality control systems.

Socio-political systems created in the XNUMXth century are actually self-destructing under the influence of many factors, the main of which is information (information panic, pandemic of fear). The central government was "self-isolated", powers were transferred to the regions. The leaders of the regions and mayors unexpectedly became unit princes and barons. National statehood and sovereignty are collapsing under the influence of global panic, escalated by the media and supranational organizations like the IMF and WHO. The collapse of the economy, including the oil collapse, regionalization, which may soon turn into separatism, and the growth of social tension break statehood.

Interestingly, almost the whole world capitulated to the "virus", leading to the complete destruction of the old world. Only civilization countries like China and Japan have their own characteristics. Trump resists, quite reasonably arguing that destroying the economy is much more dangerous for ordinary Americans than a strange virus. Resists Lukashenko. After all, it is obvious to any sane person that there is no epidemiological catastrophe! On April 16, 2020, 2 million patients in the world and over 138 thousand died. A pandemic is about 10% of those affected by the population, an epidemic is in the region of 1%. That is, in Russia for the epidemic there should be 1,4 million sick people, and pandemics - 14 million. Many ordinary diseases like pneumonia, cancer, cardiovascular diseases take much more people. Tens and hundreds of thousands of people mow down alcohol, tobacco, drugs, kill in wars or bandits, die of hunger, on the roads, etc. But why think about it? People should be in fear without a situation analysis.

Let the storm break out stronger?


Why are regional authorities fighting the virus? Where is the sanitary-epidemiological service, the Ministry of Emergencies, and if the business is very bad, the armed forces? Where is the central authority? Putin is "self-isolating." If it goes on like this, then he will repeat the fate of Gorbachev or Boris Godunov. Instead of the leader of the country - Sobyanin. The army was isolated, like other central organs. Current legislation is violated everywhere. Like the Constitution.

Thus, we see rather the development of not an epidemic, but mass psychosis. The Kremlin made a strategic mistake when it followed the Europeans in developing this epidemic of psychosis and fear. Although the example of sanity at hand is Belarus, the “father” of Lukashenko. While the head of White Russia holds an information blow, but one in the field is not a warrior. Europe, Ukraine and Russia - in common.

It is already obvious that in the spring and summer of 2020 the situation will not magically reverse. A new Great Depression has come. It must be remembered that in the first Great Depression, when the capitalist world writhed in agony, the USSR-Russia prospered, we had an economic miracle. Thousands of new industrial and agricultural enterprises, health centers, schools, institutes, houses of creativity and culture, theaters were built. Large-scale infrastructure projects were implemented. Life has become better, life has become happier. The people enthusiastically built a beautiful new world, the civilization of the future. Then we were a self-sufficient system, and it was “violet” to us that the West was feeling bad.

Now the opposite is true. The Russian Federation is the periphery of the capitalist world. Energy Power Station. With the top, which is used to living within the framework of the oil-dollar system and otherwise does not know how and does not want. If Europe and the United States will be hurt during the crisis, then peripherals like the Middle East and the Russian Federation will die. In the scenario of the fight against the virus that we see now in Russia, the current society and economy simply will not survive. All available reserves will be quickly exhausted. The destruction of a single economy will be followed by the state apparatus and power structures. At the same time, in Moscow, the population is clearly preparing for a powerful protest, after which many regions can explode. Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power, the interim government of the Kudrins, Chubais, Sobyanins, Kiriyenko. The scenario of the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR.
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  1. Vend
    Vend April 20 2020 15: 05 New
    -42
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head laughing
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 20 2020 15: 28 New
      49
      A new Great Depression has come. It must be remembered that in the first Great Depression, when the capitalist world writhed in agony, the USSR-Russia prospered, we had an economic miracle.

      And now we are going to bend across the west. An urgent need to bring the socialists to power and nationalize the oil and gas sector and energy ..
      We played the thieves' liberal democracy, for 20 years did not create anything substantial and fundamental .. it is time for the socialists to save the country ..
      1. CSKA
        CSKA April 20 2020 15: 58 New
        +6
        Quote: Svarog
        Played thieves' liberal democracy

        ))))) Democracy cannot be liberal or conservative. Svarog, do you finally bother to read the meaning of the word liberalism?
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU April 20 2020 16: 11 New
          25
          I could be wrong, but in this context I see what was meant by bourgeois democracy ...
          1. CSKA
            CSKA April 21 2020 13: 53 New
            0
            Quote: TAMBU
            I could be wrong, but in this context I see what was meant by bourgeois democracy ...

            )))) There is no such democracy. In theory and in the DPRK, democracy, but in fact there is authoritarianism.
            1. TAMBU
              TAMBU April 21 2020 15: 16 New
              +1
              In fact, for authoritarianism, 2 out of 8 signs are lacking there (the illegal nature of the authorities ’activity is doubtful, if only because in the international legal field treaties with the DPRK were considered and are considered legitimate and within the country I’m ready to argue there is a system of law, and the second is the violation of rights and freedoms citizens - pff ... this is generally the funniest ... the state apparatus in any state in fact serves to infringe on the rights of some in favor of others), but these signs, as well as the concepts themselves, are so blurred that authoritarianism can be called any system in any trance of the world throughout history ...
              and with regards to what happens and what does not happen in this case, it’s all essentially the interpretation of such a thing as democracy from the point of view of different political worldviews. Nevertheless, today these are all concepts - the wording of which can be comprehended in the primary sources of various authors defending their worldviews. Read - and you will understand what people mean with such concepts.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA April 23 2020 12: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: TAMBU
                In fact, for authoritarianism, 2 out of 8 signs are lacking there (the illegal nature of the authorities ’activity is doubtful, if only because in the international legal field treaties with the DPRK were considered and are considered legitimate and within the country I’m ready to argue there is a system of law, and the second is the violation of rights and freedoms citizens - pff ... this is generally the funniest ... the state apparatus in any state in fact serves to infringe on the rights of some in favor of others), but these signs, as well as the concepts themselves, are so blurred that authoritarianism can be called any system in any trance of the world throughout history ...

                In the DPRK, democracy or authoritarianism is honestly not very interesting to me. Although, by all criteria, it is authoritarian. Authoritarianism is a type of undemocratic political regime based on the strong centralized power of one person (president, monarch, prime minister) or a group of people (for example, a certain party) while maintaining economic, civil, spiritual freedoms for citizens.
                It implies a harsh suppression of non-systemic opposition by authoritarian authorities and the impossibility of legal opposition to significantly affect the course of the state or its complete absence. Authoritarian leaders use power, almost or completely not looking at popular views that are different from the opinions of the authorities and the permitted opposition (if it is present), and it is almost impossible to change them.
                Quote: TAMBU
                Read - and you will understand what people mean with such concepts.

                I read and understand. The question is, we have a swami in another. Democracy is a political system, and liberalism is a philosophical and socio-political movement.
                1. TAMBU
                  TAMBU April 23 2020 16: 14 New
                  -1
                  What I mean is that any definition implies the presence of signs peculiar only to him and not peculiar to another definition.
                  Then let’s say this: democracy is a system in which the power in a state works for a part of citizens, and which part of people depends on officially declared philosophical and socio-political movements in this state ...
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA April 24 2020 13: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: TAMBU
                    What I mean is that any definition implies the presence of signs peculiar only to him and not peculiar to another definition.
                    Then let’s say this: democracy is a system in which the power in a state works for a part of citizens, and which part of people depends on officially declared philosophical and socio-political movements in this state ...

                    I agree with you.
            2. vavilon
              vavilon April 22 2020 14: 32 New
              +1
              democracy exists in any system, whether capitalist or communist, only each has its own, but the transfer of power from system to system in a democratic way, except as long as the military does not exist
              And by and large, as such, democracy does not exist
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 20 2020 20: 54 New
          +4
          Look at the USA and you will understand that it may well.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA April 21 2020 13: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: NordUral
            Look at the USA and you will understand that it may well.

            A country can be either democratic or authoritarian. Authorities can pursue either liberal policies or conservative ones. Conservative power can pursue a liberal economy, as in Singapore, for example. Do you understand that these are completely different concepts of democracy and liberalism? Not related to each other.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 21 2020 16: 58 New
              +5
              Actually, any system is authoritarian, slightly or not very retouched by the buns of democracy.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA April 23 2020 12: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: NordUral
                Actually, any system is authoritarian, slightly or not very retouched by the buns of democracy.

                Well, I agree with you on this, but how does this relate to what you wrote above?
                1. NordUral
                  NordUral April 23 2020 12: 24 New
                  -2
                  CSKA, you already indicate where above. In general, I’m quite a solid person, not a nightingale, and I don’t write something that is difficult or impossible to combine.
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA April 24 2020 13: 41 New
                    0
                    Quote: NordUral
                    CSKA, you already indicate where above. In general, I’m quite a solid person, not a nightingale, and I don’t write something that is difficult or impossible to combine.

                    Quote: NordUral
                    Look at the USA and you will understand that it may well.

                    So can it be democratic or not?
                    1. NordUral
                      NordUral April 24 2020 14: 05 New
                      0
                      Behind any democracy are hidden powers or the power of government.
                      Maybe democratic visibility can be, as it is.
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA April 27 2020 12: 42 New
                        +1
                        Quote: NordUral
                        Behind any democracy are hidden powers or the power of government.
                        Maybe democratic visibility can be, as it is.

                        In my opinion, we have moved away from the essence of the matter.
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 20 2020 20: 56 New
          18
          Quote: CSKA
          ))))) Democracy cannot be liberal or conservative.

          It can very well. And democracy can be liberal, and autocracy, and the monarchy with theocracy too. The essence of liberalism is the freedom of making money, the power of money, and the division into people and non-people by the thickness of their wallet. The rest ... Verbal garbage and scenery. Selected in accordance with the moment, and little effect on. Take the United States as an example. Liberal from the moment of its origin to this day. Liberal and at the time of creation, with prosperous slavery, puritanism and restrictions on access to elections, it is stupid from the availability of finances for the voter, and to today's gay parades, the third sex and discrimination are already white. The scenery turned around 180 degrees. the essence has not changed a gram. Just as several dozen seeds ruled the country, they still rule. Is personalities have changed, but not the principle.
          And democracy, it can also be very different. It depends on some economic theory to fertilize it. Democratic southern states, and democratic policies, where there were more slaves than free, this is democracy. And tribal, military, democracy. in which for the slightest attempt to limit freedom of the intestine they easily let go, she is also a democracy. Two poles of the same democracy. And how democratic is democratic, and how demagogic it is, depends on the economic superstructure on it.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA April 21 2020 15: 01 New
            +2
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            It can very well. And democracy can be liberal, and autocracy, and the monarchy with theocracy too.

            What the hell are you talking about ?! Democracy cannot exist in countries with absolute monarchy and theocracy. Though read these concepts. You understand that democracy and liberalism are generally different concepts. Democracy is a political system, and liberalism is a philosophical and socio-political movement.
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            The essence of liberalism is the freedom of making money, the power of money, and the division into people and non-people by the thickness of their wallet. The rest ... Verbal garbage

            Verbal garbage is what you wrote. You absolutely do not understand what you are writing about. Learn to read the terms.
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Take the United States as an example. Liberal from the moment of its origin to this day. Liberal and at the time of creation, with flourishing slavery, puritanism

            Again, sheer nonsense. In liberal ideology, there can be no slavery and especially Puritanism.
            Until you read what conservatism and liberalism have nothing to talk about, you do not understand the meaning of these terms.
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 21 2020 02: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: CSKA
          bother to read the meaning of the word liberalism

          liberalism is permissiveness from liberty - freedom. Unfortunately, in our age of substitution of concepts, freedom is not limited to duties, it gives power over oil rigs, and here is the whole point of liberalism sad
          1. CSKA
            CSKA April 21 2020 15: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            liberalism is permissiveness

            This is absolutely not true.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            she gives power over oil rigs

            Liberalism is a philosophical and socio-political movement. What does the oil rig have to do with it?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 April 21 2020 15: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: CSKA
              Liberalism is a philosophical and socio-political movement. What does the oil rig have to do with it?

              Culture is a system of internal restrictions, where does the amateur activity of which the Ministry of Culture deals with ??? smile
              in fact, I completely agree with you, it’s just that in our time, substitutions of concepts are judged by cases. Liberalism in politics and social order allows some people to use the bowels separately from the people.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA April 23 2020 12: 21 New
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Liberalism in politics and social order allows some people to use the bowels separately from the people.

                I would not say that we have liberals in politics.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                use the bowels separately from the people.

                And in which country did people use mineral resources?))))
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 April 23 2020 12: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: CSKA
                  And in which country did people use mineral resources?))))

                  norway, and many others partially.
                  and liberals in relation to themselves are
                  1. CSKA
                    CSKA April 24 2020 13: 52 New
                    +1
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    norway, and many others partially.

                    For example, the Norwegian state owns a 67,0% stake in Equinor. Just like we have Rosneft for example. And it is the state, not the people.
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    and liberals in relation to themselves are

                    I would say that Kudrin and Gref are supporters of the liberal economy, but this does not mean that they are liberals.
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 April 24 2020 14: 06 New
                      +1
                      я же говорил про то что сегодня время подмены смысла слов. Вот заезженное слово "Элита" -военный французский термин, означает лучшее воинское подразделение. Социальная функция элиты это показывать пример как жить, сражаться и умирать. Во что сегодня превратилась элита? что называют этим словом? - плутократов! это их самоназвание. Поэтому, пожалуйста не цепляйтесь за грани смысла! smile today, words are used separately from their semantic meaning. It's a pity! sad
                      1. CSKA
                        CSKA April 27 2020 12: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        я же говорил про то что сегодня время подмены смысла слов. Вот заезженное слово "Элита" -военный французский термин, означает лучшее воинское подразделение.

                        Как там раньше значило слово "Элита" не столь важно. В Римской империи император изначально тоже другое означало. Я считаю, что элиты как таковой нет, есть истеблишмент.
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 April 27 2020 14: 31 New
                        0
                        drinks fellow
                        Quote: CSKA
                        I believe that there is no elite as such; there is an establishment.
                        exactly! good
          2. victor50
            victor50 April 22 2020 05: 21 New
            0
            Quote: CSKA
            What does it have to do with

            Гуру, прежде чем кого-то учить, вы бы русский подучили! Или "патриотизм" (на самом деле - лишь приверженность существующей власти) и безграмотность ноне неразлучны? laughing You even have a short comment about errors. And there too - to teach philosophy and politics! Ambition ...
            1. CSKA
              CSKA April 23 2020 12: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: victor50
              Гуру, прежде чем кого-то учить, вы бы русский подучили! Или "патриотизм" (на самом деле - лишь приверженность существующей власти) и безграмотность ноне неразлучны? У вас даже в коротеньком комментарии ошибки. А туда же - философии и политике учить! Амбиции...

              Literacy, where is the error with me?)))))) Mind was only enough to understand the grammar, but essentially nothing to answer?
    2. TAMBU
      TAMBU April 20 2020 16: 07 New
      +7
      already over 30 ...
    3. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 16: 46 New
      10
      Quote: Svarog
      in 20 years they haven’t created anything substantial and fundamental

      Already over 30 ...
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 32 New
        +4
        For 36, take it and you will not be mistaken. And also the source of such changes pliz ...
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 20 2020 20: 56 New
          +3
          I’ll probably extend it for half a century +, and that’s for sure, it’s just that at first it was invisible to us, but today it doesn’t reach many
          1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
            evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru April 20 2020 22: 49 New
            17
            50 years, respected NordUral, as it were, is not quite the right figure. As if..
            In 1970, headed for the restoration of ,, capitalism ,,? Of course not. The real communists of the Stalinist draft, front-line soldiers, reconnaissance officers, policemen were still alive and strong in every sense ... Another thing is that the West has been working closely on the topic since 1917. After all, socialism is a threat to ,, ordinary nonhumans ,, (briefly, conveniently, and intelligently, in terms of communication with us, ,, ufo ,,).
            These ,, guys ,, - what are those chameleons. It doesn’t matter which country they live in, it doesn’t matter which class they belong to, which party they belong to ... Take the example of Tukhachevsky and ,, Tukhachevites ,,. Great work of German intelligence! The Kaiser intelligence began .. Then there was the Weimar Republic, the Third Reich, and ,, Arsenic ,, (Tukhachevsky’s home nickname) as he served, in good faith, to the Hans and continued until 1937 ... What level of work! But British intelligence is even cooler ,, (the example of Canaris says a lot to thinking people). Therefore, unfortunately, our country is a “passage yard” for foreign intelligence.
            ... ,, Dumb ,, killed Stalin's protégés during the life of the Leader, they killed him himself. They imposed the country on Khrushchev-Perlmutter. And he, "freak out", in full. The collapse of the Army, the Ministry of State Security, aviation, artillery, delusional, and virgin, virgin,, American, corn, as a panacea for the agriculture of the Country of Bread ...
            The old communists called 1976 the year when Leonid Ilyich thoroughly ,, fell ill. ,, Outwardly, it was connected with, “self-award,” Order of Victory. But we (,, mi ,, - with a Georgian accent)) here partially agree with NordUral - powerful ,, oddities ,, and ,, movements ,, began before 1976. Already in the period from 1970 to 1975, the country began to impose, a happy path, a raw materials appendage. Laying pipelines for, feeding, UFOs in the West, squandering Russia's natural wealth, began to appear as some kind of extraordinary success, for glorious achievements.
            Strange purchases of West German motor vehicles to, commemorating the 30th anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people, ... The intentionally stupid and absurd constitution of 1977, written under the dictation of experienced Western ,, explosive engineers ,,, intentionally sending thousands of Soviet to Afghanistan for slaughter boys since 1979 ... By the way, in the episode with Afghanistan, the cultural influence of Britain is clearly traced. Well done, of course, James Bond, no doubt - those who are lucky go on that one. Now they say, would, forgive me: ,, Without a sucker - life is bad ,,.
            Powerfully, the course for restoration was taken, of course, since 1985. Here the American trace is already clearly visible. I had enough mind with my wife to go to Kapstran ... However, there would be a MAN - I would cope with the situation, and not, “floated”.
            But what about our good guys with a cold head and a warm heart? How did you overlook, how did you oversleep?
            It’s not enough to be “clean”, outwardly, healthy, smart. It is not important. The collapse of the Union perfectly demonstrated this. NO ROD - ,, homo sapiens ,, - a dummy. Any serious ,, bait ,, can be caught .. ,, karasika ,,.
            Such, in our opinion, the chronology of restoration of capitalism in Russia.
            The author of the article does not speak clearly about this. And we will say. SOCIALISM ONLY! Only caring for ALL social groups (classes). There is no other way. Or satanic ,, electronic concentration camp ,, and the power of bestial UFOs or the power of PEOPLE. There is no third option. Or God or Satan. ..
            By the way, with the Feast of all! Christ is risen!
            1. Sergey Artamonov
              Sergey Artamonov April 20 2020 23: 35 New
              +2
              Radically but incomprehensible. Authorship? Is there no peace? All by yourself? Mobilization economies and rations? The Union has destroyed the cognitive dissonance between egalitarianism (and imitation of labor by unnecessary people) and conspicuousness (forgive my God). It is known that when surpluses appear, someone appropriates them (and not the one who produces, but who distributes) and eats under the bed. How to deal with this? Realism comes from an idea, and ideas are driven in childhood by a stick at the level of training, otherwise you get spoiled wimps, but what about childhood? The personality is formed through the will, which drives animal instincts into the subconscious. It will not work to instill a will in a person with a stick; a stick produces cowards or aggressors. There are no simple solutions; there is the work of specialists on each problem and the teacher (good) is the highest value of the country that wins the school desk. Where are they? Teachers are now pariahs, and this is on any end of any country, Bantustan with a consumer without options for fascism has been verified. Therefore, no slogans are needed; a firm, but quiet, well-thought-out policy, which only an empire can give, is needed.
              1. Digital error
                Digital error April 21 2020 10: 53 New
                +2
                Цитата: Сергей Артамонов
                There are no simple solutions; there is the work of specialists on each problem and the teacher (good) is the highest value of the country

                Согласен. А теперь, после пандемии, "дистанционка" может быть признана приоритетной ценностью. Со всеми вытекающими.
                Цитата: Сергей Артамонов
                that only empire can give

                I agree, if only an empire can provide sovereign education, but the thesis is controversial, depending on what is meant by an empire.
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            3. NordUral
              NordUral April 21 2020 10: 17 New
              +2
              Eugene, you are all qualitatively spread out on the shelves, I completely agree. And the only true conclusion is only socialism!
        2. Digital error
          Digital error April 20 2020 23: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Okolotochny
          For 36 take

          Until 2036 do you mean? smile Well, they haven’t voted yet, but Annushka has already spilled oil ...
    4. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay April 20 2020 18: 19 New
      -17
      Quote: Svarog
      and nationalize the oil and gas sector and energy ..

      To nationalize what is already state is certainly a fresh and deep thought ....
      1. Digital error
        Digital error April 20 2020 23: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Ded_Mazay
        To nationalize what is already state is certainly a fresh and deep thought.

        In this case, can you explain why the government paid for the purchase of Sberbank from the NWF?
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay April 21 2020 08: 35 New
          +4
          Объясните для начала каким боком движуха со сбером относится к идее "национализировать нефтегазовую отрасль"?
          Rosneft and Gazprom are legal entities in the form of joint-stock companies in which the Russian Federation owns a majority stake. What is there, one asks, to nationalize? What is the point of this action, if the state in one way or another (through the law, and in some cases even property rights) controls the subsoil, exploration, production, export, and tax collection?
          Нет, я понимаю, у всех свои "ритуальные песнопения" - либералы в любой непонятной ситуации заводят песнь про "права и свободы", а наша "левая" публика про "национализацию". Только вот до такой степени терять с связь с реальностью уже неприлично. Тут и до автора статьи недалеко...

          P.S. Если бы Svarog завел речь о национализации угольной промышленности, потому что у нас там разброд, шатание и бардак, какой еще поискать, что "эффективные собственники" ничерта в нее не вкладывают, и как следствие у отрасли проблемы и с экологией, и с безопасностью, и разработкой современных технологий экологически чистого сжигания угля они не занимаются, а потому у нас есть все шансы пр*ср*ть и рынок и отрасль как таковую - вот тут бы он в точку попал. Прям вот точней некуда.
          Only here, the coal industry, as practice shows, for some reason doesn’t touch people’s minds or hearts (although we mostly use coal-fired thermal power plants in the winter) and you won’t be able to hype it, unlike oil and gas ...
          1. Digital error
            Digital error April 21 2020 10: 04 New
            -1
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            у всех свои "ритуальные песнопения" - либералы

            Ah, here it is. You would not be in a hurry to hang up labels, this is empty. Personally, I am for a strong and sovereign Russia. This task (like any) can have many solutions. But I do not like Putin if you are talking about it, although he, according to Peskov, is a liberal himself.
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            what sideways dvizhuha with sber

            Сбер итак платил дивиденды в бюджет. Зачем его было покупать (может стоило "национализировать"?), да еще в кризис, да еще из средств ФНБ, являющегося частью средств федерального бюджета. Фонд призван стать частью устойчивого механизма пенсионного обеспечения граждан Российской Федерации на длительную перспективу https://www.minfin.ru/ru/perfomance/nationalwealthfund/mission/
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            controlling interest in which belongs to the Russian Federation

            The share of the Russian Federation in PJSC Gazprom is 38,37% https://www.gazprom.ru/investors/stock/
            Direct state stake in Rosneft PJSC - 0,000000009%
            https://www.rosneft.ru/Investors/structure/share_capital/
            Зачем нужна "прокладка" между бюджетом и нефтегазом в лице АО "РОСНЕФТЕГАЗ", учрежденным ФГУП «Внешнеэкономическое объединение «Технопромэкспорт»?
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            we have confusion, reeling and mess there

            Не потому ли, что спрос на уголь все меньше и меньше (объективно - без обид)? Тут, скорее, нужно шахтеров превентивно трудоустраивать, проблема в том, что мало кто начинает искать другую работу при наличии "действующей". Квартиры в Кузбассе скоро по цене теплиц будут продаваться, это же не случайно - люди не видят перспектив и уезжают на "вахту". Национализация тут если и нужна, то в ограниченных объемах.
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            unlike oil and gas, it will not work

            I'm not at that age to tap on the keyboard for hype. I want to understand, but you, by the way, have not stated your position request
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay April 21 2020 11: 49 New
              0
              Quote: DigitalError
              You would not be in a hurry to hang labels

              Постоянные разглагольствования про "национализацию" к месту и не к месту, как о средстве "от всех проблем" иначе как "Ритуальные песнопения" не назовешь.
              Quote: DigitalError
              But I do not like Putin if you are talking about it, although he, according to Peskov, is a liberal himself.

              Кто Вам нравится, а кто нет, меня не интересует. Единственное, не путайте "либерализм" в его классическом значении и тот дурдом который рукопожатная тусовка, цинично именующая себя "либералами", пытается за него выдать.
              Quote: DigitalError
              Quote: Ded_Mazay
              what sideways dvizhuha with sber

              As already said, I do not consider the situation with the reassignment of savings to property related to the topic.
              Quote: DigitalError
              Зачем нужна "прокладка" между бюджетом и нефтегазом в лице АО "РОСНЕФТЕГАЗ", учрежденным ФГУП «Внешнеэкономическое объединение «Технопромэкспорт»?

              What is the difference if the ultimate owner is the Russian Federation?
              Quote: DigitalError
              Is it because the demand for coal is less and less ...

              Не потому. Ситуация с углем хорошо раскрыта Борисом Марцинкевичем (главред "Геоэнергетика") в статье "Декарбонизация энергетики» как способ демонизации угля" (http://geoenergetics.ru/2020/01/28/dekarbonizaciya-energetiki-kak-sposob-demonizacii-uglya/ ).
              Quote: DigitalError
              Quote: Ded_Mazay
              unlike oil and gas, it will not work
              t:

              This is generally not about you, but about one oil and gas nationalist ...
              Quote: DigitalError
              you, by the way, did not state your position

              About what? Sberbank? See above.
              1. Digital error
                Digital error April 21 2020 12: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                As already said, I do not consider the situation with the reassignment of savings to property related to the topic

                Well, that is, you will not help me understand this. Sorry request
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                What is the difference if the ultimate owner is the Russian Federation?

                Большая. Обычно посредники оставляют себе часть маржи. Плюс зарплаты сотрудникам и топам платить надо, вести "иную хозяйственную деятельность".
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                See above

                Это отказ от диалога под предлогом "не будем флудить".
                hi
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay April 21 2020 14: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DigitalError
                  Quote: Ded_Mazay
                  See above

                  Это отказ от диалога под предлогом "не будем флудить".

                  Consider as you please.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 19 New
        0
        And in what place is our state oil and gas company, Ded_Mazay? And where is the state itself?
    5. Leo_59
      Leo_59 April 20 2020 18: 38 New
      -7
      Whom to bring? Social s?
      Hto such, why do not I know?
      What do they want in which caves live? Not in Norway, who are the Vikings?
      Something scary ...
    6. Polente the Wanderer
      Polente the Wanderer April 20 2020 20: 16 New
      +2
      They say horseradish is not sweeter. They steal regardless of party affiliation and everything else.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 21 New
        -1
        You listen less than nightingales, the Wanderer of Polente.
    7. savage1976
      savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 02 New
      -4
      Социалисты, звучит конечно хорошо и красиво. Строительство фабрик, театров, электростанций в 30х годах и стремительный рост благосостояния советского народа это очень здорово. А как быть с теми миллионами умерших от голода 30х годов? Что ж социалисты строя одну из крупнейших электростанций мира "Днепрогес" не накормили ближайшее население? Или эти тоже не в писались в рынок? Так в чем же отличие социалистов от капиталистов, раз и при тех и при тех люди с голоду умирают при улучшении уровня жизни? И кто тогда, при социалистах разворовывал государственные ресурсы в таких объёмах, что людям еды не было? Тоже современные продавшиеся западу и золотому тельцу реформаторы?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 21 2020 03: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: savage1976
        Что ж социалисты строя одну из крупнейших электростанций мира "Днепрогес" не накормили ближайшее население? Или эти тоже не в писались в рынок?

        Many people did not fit into socialism, but there were few special rations and state deliveries request
      2. Fanur Galiev
        Fanur Galiev April 21 2020 07: 38 New
        +1
        Какая разница между социалистами тех лет и капиталистами? Разница достаточно большая. Можно, конечно, привести множество причин, почему такое происходило. От вполне стандартного: осажденная крепость со всеми вытекающими, экстренная подготовка к войне, индустриализация, множество ошибок и т.д. и т.п. Но пожалуй, ключевая разница заключается в следующем: СССР - это прототип социалистического государства, создаваемый не в тепличных лабораторных условиях, а так сказать, сразу выброшенный на фронт. Как у любого прототипа, у него было огромное множество "детских болезней". От части из них удалось избавиться, но все же этого оказалось недостаточно. И прототип, так сказать, не смог пойти в серию улучшенным продуктом.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 April 21 2020 08: 58 New
          -1
          Clearly, therefore, it is possible for them and no matter how many lives it costs. Well, for the sake of good intentions. And why all the roads to hell are paved with good intentions. But now Russia evidently has hothouse, laboratory conditions and it is not a besieged fortress, it has no childhood diseases and that is why everything is bad in its structure and it is still necessary to destroy a certain number of millions for the sake of your good intentions.
          1. Fanur Galiev
            Fanur Galiev April 21 2020 09: 34 New
            +2
            The Soviet Union - was the prototype of a socialist state. The Russian Federation is a completely standard, one might say, serial peripheral capitalist state, fully integrated into the world system and occupying in it a strictly allocated source of resources for it. Being a peripheral capitalist state (and capitalism, as we know, the currently dominant economic formation), it has the same problems as other peripheral capitalist states. Only these are not childhood diseases, but systemic ones.
            Говоря о уничтожении миллионов. Гибель от голода большого числа граждан - это не источник экономического роста СССР. Оно же не является следствием целенаправленной политики. Никто не подписывал приказов в стиле: "В целях обеспечения освоения и серийного производства тракторов для нужд сельского хозяйства приказываю заморить голодом один миллион крестьян в Поволжье. В резервных целях можно использовать территорию Украинской ССР". Гибель людей - следствие трагических ошибок и недочетов. Также, как и гибель людей в горящих торговых центрах следствием целенаправленной политики современного правительства.
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 April 21 2020 09: 52 New
              +1
              А есть сейчас приказы нынешней, капиталистической власти, уничтожить сколько-то там миллионов людей каким либо способом? Тут же, на ВО, сторонники социализма так усердно обвиняют нынешние власти в уничтожении десятов миллионов людей. Или тяжёлое положение некоторых слоев населения это тоже трагические ошибки, недочёты, случайности? И где гарантии, что при новом построении социализма с национализацией, конфискацией, перераспределением и всеми остальными благами прихода к власти "Сварога и ко" не повторится очередная череда ошибок, недочётов, трагических случайностей? Нет таких гарантий. Но очень уж хочется все это повторить.
              1. Fanur Galiev
                Fanur Galiev April 21 2020 10: 16 New
                0
                I think it was written in such a way that the death of people in situations when shopping malls are burning (Winter Cherry), for example, is not a consequence of the purposeful policy of the modern leadership, aimed specifically at extermination. People in our country are not dying right now because they want to kill them. But because people, in general, just don't give a damn. True, you cannot say this in person, because it can lead to riots, unrest, and so on.

                As for your question about building a new socialism, I like it. This is the right question for any person who does not want to become worse than they are now. There are no guarantees. And it cannot be. Because one way or another there will be those who are against. There will be those who will defend their interests, such as a layer, for whom everything is normal, if not good. There will be defectors, sneaks, careerists and others. Much will depend on the conditions in which the construction process is going on, on the level of training of the builders themselves, on the presence and number of allies (countries where socialism is also built). True, we must also understand that the question is not whether we, the current inhabitants of Russia, should build socialism. We just won’t be able to build it, even if we have such a desire. This question will arise when the level of tension in society reaches such a level that there will be an explosion. And ordinary people (and not ordinary people who go to rallies at the urging of certain people) will try to lose power, simply because they can’t stand it anymore. Spontaneously. And then there will be a choice of options: which way to go: try to cover up the holes or completely rebuild the building.

                This is purely my personal opinion. True, clumsy, somehow I, in my opinion, outlined ...
                1. savage1976
                  savage1976 April 21 2020 11: 31 New
                  +1
                  Good answer, thanks. Only then again everything will return to square one. The society of builders of a brighter future will be diluted with enthusiasts, sub-plains, careerists and simply striving for an easy life, and the builders will have their own children, and what kind of parent will not help set foot on the path of a good life. and again the division will begin of all that can be reached and everything will be in a circle. Paradise on earth is impossible, if only not to fall into hell.
                  1. Fanur Galiev
                    Fanur Galiev April 21 2020 11: 38 New
                    0
                    We will believe in progress. It took hundreds of thousands of years to go from the primitive system to slavery, thousands to feudalism and hundreds to capitalism. With characteristic changes. So let's see.
                    1. savage1976
                      savage1976 April 21 2020 14: 09 New
                      +1
                      And yet, all these hundreds and thousands of years have not weaned a person from killing another person for a piece of grub and personal gain.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 21 2020 08: 55 New
        0
        And so be it that there were no millions of dead. That was before the construction of factories and plants, because without tractors and fertilizers, hunger in central Russia was a regular and inevitable phenomenon. It’s not necessary to write delirium simply.

        And that era has no relation to the current one.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 April 21 2020 09: 20 New
          +1
          And what did the socialists do for 10 years that they could not build a tractor. Well, since it was a regular occurrence without a tractor, how did people live there for centuries and did not die out in millions, And they also mastered Siberia right up to Kamchatka, squeezed Crimea from the Turks, conquered Paris in 1814. And how is it all without tractors however. Without the socialists, apparently this was not all.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 21 2020 10: 38 New
            0
            Quote: savage1976
            And what did the socialists do for 10 years that they could not build a tractor

            Well, one cannot deny the enormous work of communism in the agricultural economy: in 43 of the year, in 1956, they nevertheless reached harvest level 1913! yes

            And people, however, were able to eat and get dressed, as in 1913 (Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR 1955)!

            Is this not a tremulous CARE of the party about the people? yes

            author: Necessary rememberthat in the first Great Depression, when the capitalist world writhed in agony, the USSR-Russia prospered, we had an economic miracle

            Remember, author, remember. It is impossible to forget SUCH: "сводка НКВД 1933 g: YEY DISTRICT. Village Dolzhanskaya-gr. G **** ate the corpse of the dead sister's owl.
            In the same village it was established that group D ***, remaining after the death of his father and mother with young sisters and brothers, ate the meat of brothers and sisters who died of starvation.


            And this is already built socialism: NKVD report 1937 d: In Litvinovsky, Svishchevsky, Neverkinsky and Chembarsky districts 10 cases are noted starvation death. There are facts of swelling, eating meat of dead animals, various surrogates and diseases of collective farmers from malnutrition. In the Svishchevsky district, 62 facts of swelling of collective farmers from malnutrition were noted, in the Staro-Kulatkinsky district ...
            in the village Joy committed suicide collective farmer A. Zakharova with two newborn babies. for several days with a 13-year-old daughter lived in an unheated hut, without bread and other food. .. by the relatives of Zakharova who arrived in the furnace, two corpses of newborns and the corpse of Zakharova herself were found.


            and never forget.

      4. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 23 New
        -2
        They learned the lies of Solzhenitsins well; there is no desire to think anymore.
    8. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 21 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      There are no socialists in Russia. There are Grudinins and Platoshkins, animated characters of jokes. And grandfather Zu, who has been leading red round dances for almost 30 years without doing anything. In general, in the post-Stalin years, the CPSU turned into a parallel structure to the state, doing nothing but climbing everywhere, so any former party functionaries are useless for any work in principle.

      And as for the fundamental, well, the standard of living in Russia is now much higher than in the USSR, if you have not noticed. And everyone has cars, and apartments (here are miracles, you’ll also get a free Soviet apartment of FIGs, but everyone has money for mortgages), and holidays in Turkey, and in shops are everything that your heart desires. Putin arranged for you by some miracle exactly what the USSR was being broken for, and there are 20 kinds of sausages and there is no particular strain.
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 April 21 2020 09: 34 New
        -4
        And cars for everyone, and apartments

        Cars have nothing to do with it .. It has nothing to do with the standard of living !!

        A hundred years ago, in the deserts, caravans robbed camels with sabers .. now the barmalei on Toyotas are driving around with automatic weapons .. Does this mean that their political system has changed, a wise leader has appeared, and this has increased the standard of living ??
        Neither the first, nor the second, nor the third happened to them .. So stop writing this nonsense about cars ..

        My father got a free apartment twice .. In the year 85, he got a one-room apartment, in the 1s he managed to get a three-ruble note ..
        А вот моя квартира уже в ипотеке.. и это нервяки и стресс для любого человека на многие годы.. Я уж молчу про то, что творится сейчас во время "самоизолямии"

        Putin arranged for you by some miracle exactly what the USSR was being broken for, and there are 20 kinds of sausages and there is no particular strain.

        Если уж на то пошло, то "организовал" всё это не Путин, а Ельцин..
        It was Yeltsin’s lot when the plowman stayed in one country, the miller in another, the baker in the third .. and the tractor in the fourth (to put it mildly) .. And in order to devour the bread, it was necessary to contrive ..
        Я ярый противник ЕБН, но, стоит признать, что джинсы, жвачка и прочие ништяки - это именно его "заслуга", а никак не Путина..
        Putin has already arrived at everything ready ... the market economy was already established by then ..
        Единственная "заслуга" Путина - это цены на нефть..
      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 26 New
        0
        And indeed the CPSU in post-Stalinist years has turned into a parallel structure to the state, doing nothing but climbing everywhere, so any former party functionaries are useless for any work in principle.

        I agree that it was precisely after the assassination of Stalin that everything started to go (he did not have time to shorten the party riffraff).
    9. Sckepsis
      Sckepsis April 21 2020 11: 19 New
      +1
      A wonderful picture showing the whole ax: two comments side by side, an adequate one hundred minuses, delirium has a hundred pluses.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog April 20 2020 15: 31 New
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    Quote: Wend
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head laughing

    Do you live in Russia? What do not observe the crisis? Amazing ..
    Пора социалистам вытаскивать страну из пропасти.. "Реформаторы" заигрались и в итоге самоизолировались .. Срочно нужно национализировать всю нефтегазовую отрасль с энергетикой и продажей спирта..
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 20 2020 15: 57 New
      15
      Quote: Svarog
      . An urgent need to nationalize the entire oil and gas industry with energy and the sale of alcohol ..

      Listen, Comrade, what are you going to nationalize there and in whose favor? First, do not get confused in terminology, nationalization or confiscation? If you are going to nationalize something under the current system, then it means you have to pay money from the budget, that is, people’s, and then transfer it to someone, And here is the second and main point, to whom are you going to transfer the nationalized confiscated property in a privatized country? I hope you will make your own conclusions. hi
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 20 2020 16: 12 New
        14
        Quote: Malyuta
        and then transfer to management to whom, And here is the second and main point, to whom are you going to transfer nationalized confiscated property in a privatized country?

        Correctly. First, the socialists must take over. Further nationalization, I personally would not mind confiscation. Because for 30 years, they have already stolen so much that they actually should remain. hi
        1. Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy
          Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy April 20 2020 17: 19 New
          +1
          Do not pass, but go! Sorry, but it really cuts ....
          1. dedusik
            dedusik April 20 2020 18: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: Dmitriy Vyazmenskiy
            Do not pass, but go! Sorry, but it really cuts ....

            Or maybe a person in the 50s studied and it’s hard for him to switch to a new form of writing, instead of come write come up, но в данном случае явная ошибка. У меня, вот, до сих пор язык не поворачивается отнести кофе к среднему роду, да и частенько говорю "придти", хотя знаю, что в данное время это неправильно. но что поделаешь - так нас учили и во многих книгах последующего времени было написано именно come
            1. Digital error
              Digital error April 20 2020 23: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: dedusik
              come write come

              the main thing is not to get away from the essence! hi
        2. Fanur Galiev
          Fanur Galiev April 21 2020 07: 42 New
          0
          Недавно я сам столкнулся с мнением, что говорить "национализация" не совсем правильно. Потому что, если посмотреть, то крупнейшие нефтегазовые компании, к примеру, являются государственными. А национализация подразумевает именно передачу под государственный контроль. Лучше использовать понятие "обобществление" - перераспределение доходов, чтобы их получала не кучка менеджеров и акционеров, а все общество.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2020 10: 30 New
            -1
            then the largest oil and gas companies, for example, are state-owned.
            A small part of the state, there the devil will break his leg, who owns what.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 21 2020 12: 05 New
            0
            The best owner is the one who creates the enterprise and production himself and also develops it.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 22 2020 11: 57 New
              0
              The best owner is the one who creates the enterprise and production himself and also develops it.

              Vadim, I’ll gladly put a very fat plus!
              А теперь перечислите из верхних "собственников" таких.
      2. vavilon
        vavilon April 23 2020 00: 18 New
        +3
        And when the privatization took place, then "gentlemen" paid a lot of money to the budget? ))))
        So here! for which they grabbed for the same and about we will repay and not a dime more)))
    2. edasko
      edasko April 20 2020 16: 05 New
      10
      Urgent need to nationalize the entire oil and gas industry

      Is it to give Sechin chtol?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 20 2020 16: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: edasko
        Urgent need to nationalize the entire oil and gas industry

        Is it to give Sechin chtol?

        Pick up from Sechin and Miller .. pick up .. confiscate.
        1. edasko
          edasko April 20 2020 16: 20 New
          16
          Ага, понял. А кто управлять-то энтим всем будет? У нас государство - это друзья гаранта. Больше нету никого.. У нас даже ГУП "Ритуал" имеет конкретного владельца.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 20 2020 16: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: edasko
            Ага, понял. А кто управлять-то энтим всем будет? У нас государство - это друзья гаранта. Больше нету никого.. У нас даже ГУП "Ритуал" имеет конкретного владельца.

            Soviet power must rule! But naturally, socialists need to be supported.
            1. edasko
              edasko April 20 2020 16: 28 New
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              In order for the Soviet power to form, there must be a revolution (otherwise they will not give it up), so that there is a revolution - there must be a real fighting party (it does not and will not be). What to do?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 20 2020 16: 36 New
                -8
                Quote: edasko
                In order for the Soviet power to form, there must be a revolution (otherwise they will not give it up), so that there is a revolution - there must be a real fighting party (it does not and will not be). What to do?

                This is the most difficult stage .. Here, much will depend on the leaders, how the Communist Party will behave, Platoshkin, Grudinin .. if they can consolidate and protest, then much can change even without revolution .. I’m certainly for the evolutionary path and what would it be was just evolutionary, here the support of the population is needed. If 80% of citizens want to live under socialism and will actively support, then evolutionary changes are possible .. although it may be naive to think so ..
                1. edasko
                  edasko April 20 2020 17: 10 New
                  +5
                  This is a very difficult stage .. Especially if you focus on such a charm as Platoshkin or Grudinin.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog April 20 2020 17: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: edasko
                    This is a very difficult stage .. Especially if you focus on such a charm as Platoshkin or Grudinin.

                    And who do you propose to focus on?
                    1. edasko
                      edasko April 20 2020 17: 23 New
                      +9
                      Of those whom the government itself is promoting - not for anyone. There is, for example, the deputy of the Saratov Regional Duma Nikolay Bondarenko. He doesn’t seem to be feeding up .. These people need to be supported. If you want to change life, you have to change it yourself, and not be guided. Get to know Bondarenko, suggest something .. You look at something and it starts to turn out. Only the thorny path hurts - they will beat the policemen with sticks on the head, and they will have to sit in prison. And sexots will appear nearby. In another way. Of course, I would like to pee letters in a cozy apartment to resolve problems of a global scale .. But it will not work. It’s better to reassure yourself - I’m going to the polls, but how I vote against them! So they are scared of me and they will give everything back that they stole ..
                    2. Svarog
                      Svarog April 20 2020 17: 26 New
                      +1
                      Quote: edasko
                      Meet Bondarenko

                      Familiar with Bondarenko, energetic comrade ...
                    3. bober1982
                      bober1982 April 20 2020 19: 49 New
                      -5
                      Quote: edasko
                      And sexots will appear nearby. No other way

                      Under the Soviet regime, by the way, every tenth Soviet citizen was a sexot; in the army, this percentage was much higher.
                      Quote: edasko
                      No other way

                      Exactly so, the more developed socialism, the more sexots. Under capitalism, they, excuse me, are fucking unnecessary.
                    4. edasko
                      edasko April 20 2020 20: 11 New
                      +7
                      Yes, of course not needed! They need any power. Otherwise, you will all agree to such an extent that it will not seem enough. The effectiveness of any special services in any country is based primarily on intelligence work. This is the alphabet.
                    5. bober1982
                      bober1982 April 20 2020 20: 15 New
                      -2
                      Quote: edasko
                      The effectiveness of any special services in any country is based primarily on intelligence work.

                      I agree, the more agents - the better, after 1991 the first thing they started to smash the KGB
                    6. edasko
                      edasko April 20 2020 20: 18 New
                      +8
                      Yes, no one was smashing him, half remained, the other half went away for businessmen. And one finally got to the very top.
                    7. bober1982
                      bober1982 April 20 2020 20: 21 New
                      -1
                      Quote: edasko
                      And one finally got to the very top.

                      Должно же было России "повезти" с правителем,и это чудо произошло.
              2. edasko
                edasko April 20 2020 20: 15 New
                +6
                Under the Soviet regime, by the way, every tenth Soviet citizen was a sexot; in the army, this percentage was much higher.

                Это откуда у вас такие данные-то? "Штрафбатов" насмотрелись? В армии достаточно иметь 1 чела на подразделение, и уж никак не каждый 9-й..
              3. bober1982
                bober1982 April 20 2020 20: 19 New
                -1
                Quote: edasko
                In the army it is enough to have 1 person per unit, and certainly not every 9th ..

                Well, if this person (as you put it) is an conscript, this is probably enough, the higher - the more, of course, if you are competently approached.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral April 22 2020 11: 50 New
              +1
              As I understand it, you base this statement on the personal experience of the informer?
              He gave his motherland what was supposed to be, did not knock, did not knock on me, sat on my lip, but for a job and not knock Around me, no one was knocking and no one made organizational conclusions for us that one would think that one of us was knocking.
              If you knocked, this does not mean that others are knocking.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 17: 44 New
          -5
          On Sergei Novikov, deputy head of Khakassia. Also a member of the Communist Party.
        3. Romey
          Romey April 20 2020 19: 03 New
          +8
          The names of future leaders are not yet known to us. They will be put forward only by the emerging political situation. Which of us in the 14th year heard about the admissible Gubarev or Strelkov? At the moment, not one of the system parties, nor even more famous persons are able to unite around themselves. I, dear colleagues, believe that while we, patriots, left and right, need to unite around a common program, and the names will appear later.
        4. Svarog
          Svarog April 20 2020 19: 09 New
          +5
          Quote: romey
          I, dear colleagues, believe that while we, patriots, left and right, need to unite around a common program, and the names will appear later.

          I agree with this suggestion. At the moment, the main thing is to resign the parasites ..
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 20 2020 20: 30 New
        +6
        Unfortunately, Zyuganov and others like him spoiled and betrayed the Soviet, socialist system. The party needs a strong leader, and it is necessary to clear the Compromisers there.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 17: 31 New
      -15
      They have the same path and stage there, one crap the second has come - everything is phased.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 33 New
        0
        Are you talking about power, 237th?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 21 2020 12: 09 New
        0
        Это я про всех кто туда рвётся из так называемых "коммунистов"
      3. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 12: 24 New
        0
        But in more detail, personally, can you blame Vadim?
        А я приведу из ЕР: https://pulse.mail.ru/?first_doc_id=5172073974018163054&first_source_id=6692206566593341883
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 22 2020 11: 46 New
    -2
    And what did they not please you, Vasily?
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 20 2020 17: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: edasko
    In order for the Soviet power to form, there must be a revolution (otherwise they will not give it up), so that there is a revolution - there must be a real fighting party (it does not and will not be). What to do?

    This is the most difficult stage .. Here, much will depend on the leaders, how the Communist Party will behave, Platoshkin, Grudinin .. if they can consolidate and protest, then much can change even without revolution .. I’m certainly for the evolutionary path and what would it be was just evolutionary, here the support of the population is needed. If 80% of citizens want to live under socialism and will actively support, then evolutionary changes are possible .. although it may be naive to think so ..

    Do you think someone will voluntarily give in good faith stolen? belay Прохоров как-то открыто говорил - если кто-то захочет отменить итоги приватизации, страна "умоется кровью". Большевики в 18-м тоже никакой гражданской не планировали.
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard April 20 2020 21: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Here a lot of leaders will depend on how the Communist Party will behave, Platoshkin, Grudinin ..

    Та же " Единая Россия" только вид с боку. laughing
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 23: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Tank Hard
      side view

      Не эти ли "товарищи" тянули время с депутатским обращением в КС по поводу конституционности пенсионной "реформы"?
    2. savage1976
      savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 44 New
      0
      The question is, from which side, because it’s also a view in the ass with a very high probability :)
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard April 20 2020 21: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    here the support of the population is needed.

    Yelling into the voice! Communist Party and the support of citizens of Russia. laughing
  • Digital error
    Digital error April 20 2020 23: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    how the Communist Party will behave, Platoshkin, Grudinin

    To achieve the desired result, this is not enough. We need a more extensive consolidation of all left forces - from conditional Kurginyan to conditional Udaltsov. To hell with disagreements, it’s not the time for them, then they’ll split up into factions and scatter over committees, but that’s later.
  • Yehudi Menuhin
    Yehudi Menuhin April 21 2020 01: 20 New
    +2
    Oh my god, what naivety! Svarog, apparently you are a very decent person. Only decent people can be so naive.
  • savage1976
    savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 23 New
    -1
    And there are guarantees that Grudinin, Platoshkina will not sit down in a place you know who and will not begin to fill their pockets? Or will they not choose the path of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Gaidar? And with the remaining 20% ​​of those who disagree, what will you do? Didn’t fit in? Will you die out or help?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 21 2020 10: 36 New
      0
      I have such confidence.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 April 21 2020 11: 26 New
        +2
        I am happy for you, but I have full confidence of 200% that we will again slide into complete anarchy, civil war, famine and will not be destined to return. We used all our chances in the 20th century and completely profiled them. People tend by nature to strive for a better, a better apartment (house), a car, a better wife, husband, a more expensive fur coat than a neighbor's. And even now having found several thousand people who do not need material wealth for themselves, but will strive for a better life for everyone, in a generation their ranks will be replenished by careerists, toadies, sloppies and everything will return to square one with another looting and redistribution of everything and everything.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 11: 35 New
        -1
        All that you described is the real state of affairs. And I’m sure that in the country there will be not several thousand, but tens of thousands of people who are able to lead the country out of the peak and will not get rid of it, savage1976.
      3. savage1976
        savage1976 April 21 2020 14: 11 New
        0
        And all these honest water people, reaching the feeder, start to fill their pockets :)
      4. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 16: 55 New
        -1
        Facts? I don’t argue, there will be such people (according to the same law of life - all rubbish sticks to sweets), but the new mass will work for the country and the people, as it was in the Union in its best years.
      5. savage1976
        savage1976 April 22 2020 02: 26 New
        -2
        Here is the main fact, the whole history of the USSR. Its heyday and its collapse. And unfortunately, the socialists can only impose their power through blood and violence. In a competitive environment, they will not be able to confront other parties that give the individual a chance at success.
      6. NordUral
        NordUral April 22 2020 11: 45 New
        0
        The post-Stalinist Communist Party has rotted so much, and not without the efforts of the khrushch who released and caressed those who subsequently poisoned the top and middle layer of the party with cadaveric poison. And then he killed the Union.
        It was the betrayal of the very top that led the country, or rather, the stub of the country today.
      7. savage1976
        savage1976 April 22 2020 13: 06 New
        +2
        So I wrote about this, and it will manifest itself constantly. There was a man with an idea and believing in it, his careerist was replaced, his careerist was replaced by a sneak and there is no longer any place for an idea. Filling pockets.
  • AnderS
    AnderS April 22 2020 01: 50 New
    0
    Soviet power must rule!

    I have a feeling that you are completely unaware of what the Soviet regime was and where the name came from ... For the Soviet regime, first of all, strangely enough, you need the Soviets. Have you even seen a couple of tips in your immediate neighborhood? I’m talking about councils in which officials, and not ordinary people, would solve their domestic, social and other problems with the help of these councils ... Now when such councils arise in every city, village, enterprise - then we can talk about the transfer of power to them. In the meantime, the people do not really want to organize themselves into these very councils ... So far, they are more inclined toward the usual rebellion, senseless and merciless ...
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 17: 53 New
    -18
    Soviet power never controlled anything. She showed maximum approval, unanimously. The ordinary puppet in the hands of the kpsesovtsev. So, she has no management experience.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 23: 56 New
      0
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Ordinary puppet in the hands of the Special Forces

      В Госдуме и Совфеде "через одного" - члены КПСС. Это так, для размышлений.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 21 2020 00: 13 New
        -1
        Или комсомольские вожаки. Те самые, которые с криками "ура" пошли кто в бизнес, а кто в братву.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 21 2020 10: 46 New
          0
          The decayed CPSU gave rotten growth; he himself knew such in the 80s.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 21 2020 10: 50 New
            +1
            As the party was taken out of control of the special services, it was rotten. Initially, a rotten organization - could not exist without constant monitoring and purges.
          2. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2020 10: 52 New
            +2
            Andrey, the parties are all like that. The more successful the party, the more rot it climbs for a warm little place. So the Stalinist purges are an objective factor in history.
          3. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 21 2020 10: 56 New
            +3
            There is such an opinion, based on facts, that Comrade Stalin wanted to remove the party from power altogether, leaving it with only ideological functions. And transfer all power to the Soviets, as declared in the Constitution of the USSR. Therefore, he soon died.
          4. NordUral
            NordUral April 21 2020 11: 06 New
            0
            I agree, Andrew, could not and did not have time.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 21 2020 10: 38 New
    +1
    Быть коммунистом и быть членом КПСС - это не всегда одно и тоже. И с этими "В Госдуме и Совфеде "через одного" - члены КПСС" как раз этот случай, Евгений.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 21 2020 10: 41 New
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      just this case

      This is indisputable, but I had in mind management experience — both of them have it.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 21 2020 10: 43 New
        +1
        The main thing is whether the members of the Communist Party are motivated. The former work for the country, the latter for themselves, and to the detriment of the country.
      2. Digital error
        Digital error April 21 2020 10: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        The main thing is motivation

        Now we understand each other correctly, Eugene hi
  • iouris
    iouris April 20 2020 23: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    The ordinary puppet in the hands of the kpsesovtsev.

    Propaganda stupidity does not need to throw. Or you don’t even know the history of your country.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 21 2020 00: 23 New
      -3
      According to the Constitution of the USSR, the highest authority is the USSR Armed Forces. And who actually controlled the country? Sun Chairs? Kalinin, Mikoyan, Voroshilov, Shvernik? Or all the same, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev. (Brezhnev combined posts, I am in the know) So: in the country of Soviets, oddly enough, there was no Soviet power. There was the power of the CPSU and the Political Bureau made key decisions, and the Armed Forces, and the Soviets of all levels, were essentially decorative bodies dancing to the tune of the party.
  • Digital error
    Digital error April 20 2020 16: 52 New
    +9
    Quote: edasko
    Our state is friends of the guarantor.

    Людовику XIV, королю-солнце, приписывают фразу "государство - это я".
    According to Wikipedia, the result of the whole system of Louis XIV was the economic ruin and poverty of France ...
    1. edasko
      edasko April 20 2020 17: 08 New
      +4
      Людовик был монарх, а значит имел полное право так заявлять. А разорение и нищета случались и у других монархов. Вот наш император говаривал - "Мы, Николай вторый..", так тут вообще бардак получается.. Кто там у него государство и сколько их, непонятно..
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 20 2020 18: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: edasko
        Вот наш император говаривал - "Мы, Николай вторый.."

        Quote: edasko
        It’s not clear who his state is and how many there are ..

        This is from the official title, as you put it, not only Nicholas II used to say ........ Tsar of Georgia, Tsar of Siberia, Tsar of Poland, and further on the title, listing - it will take a lot of time.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 20 2020 18: 15 New
        11
        Quote: edasko
        Louis was a monarch, which means he had every right to say so.

        and with us - not so?
        Мона́рхия (лат. monarchia от др.-греч. μοναρχία «единовластие» < μόνος «одиночный, единый» + ἀρχή «власть, господство») — форма правления или государственного устройства, при котором верховная государственная власть частично или полностью принадлежит лицу,— монарху, занимающему должность главы государства и носящему соответствующий титул .
        What we do not meet this definition?
        DG and SF- power? - No, the screen. deputies of all levels of power? - No, a sham.
        Where does the country make decisions? For oil, for example, or about war and peace? request
        What is the title is not important. the essence is the content
        1. Romey
          Romey April 20 2020 19: 12 New
          +2
          Colleague, here I do not agree with you. The point is different. Here to take the late Nikolai Alexandrovich. Yes, he made a lot of stupidities and mistakes, but to call him an enemy and a pest language does not turn. Unlike you yourself understand ...
        2. iouris
          iouris April 21 2020 00: 10 New
          +3
          В статье "Об авторитете" Маркс показал, что принцип единоначалия имеет объективный характер. Спорить по этому поводу бессмысленно. Там где нет единоначалия, там управление невозможно и система управления деградирует. При этом "сверху" будут раздаваться заявления типа: "Спокойно, всё под контролем!" На самом деле "сверху" только наблюдают за системой (в лучшем случае). Другой вопрос, каким образом происходит отбор и смена единоначальников. Именно здесь "собака порылась".
          Кстати, по-американски "управление" - это control. Управление включает наблюдение в смысле сбора и передачи данных для организации обратной связи о состоянии объекта управления и подсистем нижнего уровня. Пороком той системы, в которой мы оказались является отсутствие обратной связи поскольку данные часто представляют собой не информацию, а шум.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 21 2020 10: 32 New
    -1
    To begin with, we don’t have a state, Vasily. A gang of thieves settled on top and pretends that they are the state.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 17: 50 New
    -8
    Since when has Sechin been the owner of Rosneft, is he not even a majority? Hired employee.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 20 2020 19: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      Since when has Sechin been the owner of Rosneft, is he not even a majority? Hired employee.

      His salary is too good for an employee.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 19: 15 New
        -11
        Envy silently. As if you would refuse such a salary. So he did not refuse.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 20 2020 19: 28 New
          +8
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Envy silently. As if you would refuse such a salary. So he did not refuse.

          Вы видимо головой ушиблись. Во всех подобных "гос корпорациях" зарплаты с семью, восемью нулями, плюс дивиденды у директоров, являются скрытым присвоением прибавочной стоимости, средняя зарплата рабочих, на несколько ПОРЯДКОВ ниже, Вы считаете это и есть социальная справедливость.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 19: 39 New
            -5
            The salaries of managers are set at the general meeting of shareholders. What's wrong?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets April 20 2020 19: 46 New
              +8
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              The salaries of managers are set at the general meeting of shareholders. What's wrong?

              Can you tell me how the votes are distributed at the general meeting of shareholders? And who are the main shareholders? Probably workers? Apparently they are they appointing such a salary?
          2. savage1976
            savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 47 New
            -6
            Therefore, the salaries of ordinary workers of Rosneft are also a hidden appropriation of surplus value. All select, share and shoot all?
        2. Digital error
          Digital error April 21 2020 00: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          So he did not refuse

          Его к ней "принудили", чтоб за бугор не убежал к конкурентам smile
          Supervaluable personnel with unique experience must be protected, that’s what motivates ...
    2. Karabin
      Karabin April 20 2020 19: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: AS Ivanov.
      he is not even a majority

      This is by law. And according to the notions of Putin’s political bureau, the majority and what else.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 19: 59 New
        0
        With a share of Rosneft in 0.08%? Yeah, the majority. Almost a controlling stake holder.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin April 20 2020 20: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          With a share of Rosneft in 0.08%?

          What is the difference how many shares he has? His income and share in the company is determined not at all by stocks, but by his proximity to the sun and Ko.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 20: 16 New
            +1
            Do not have a hundred rubles, and a hundred friends.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2020 20: 25 New
              -2
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Do not have a hundred rubles, but have a hundred friends

              Not so: do not have a hundred rubles, but have one brazen face. I'm not talking about you, or even about your opponent - I just remembered from childhood request laughing
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 20: 32 New
                -1
                Все забывают концовку классической пословицы, а она звучит так: " Не имей сто рублей, а имей сто друзей - будет тысяча рублей"
                Insolent erysipelas is also a kind of talent.
              2. Digital error
                Digital error April 21 2020 00: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                have one brazen face

                How many of them are still in Moscow and in St. Petersburg forests ...
                Bad advice, however, give stop
            2. Karabin
              Karabin April 20 2020 20: 41 New
              +5
              and have a hundred friends.
              That's it. But what about the insignificant 0.08% of the shares?
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 20: 44 New
                +1
                Communication is a business and it’s as much your capital as education and qualifications.
              2. Karabin
                Karabin April 20 2020 21: 15 New
                +3
                Communication is a business
                Да кто бы спорил с прописной истиной. В наших гос.реалиях образование и квалификация зачастую и не нужны. Филолог-романист, преподаватель португальского и французского языков - главный нефтяник, журналист - главный космонавт и т.д и т.п. Но мы отклонились от темы. Вы по прежнему будете настаивать на роли Сечина как "наемного сотрудника"?
              3. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 21: 30 New
                +1
                The Executive Director is an employee.
                As for the profile education, in our USSR, the shoemakers of the NKPS were also in charge. Nothing new.
              4. Karabin
                Karabin April 20 2020 22: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                The Executive Director is an employee.
                In this case, on paper. In fact, much more. One of the actual owners. At least until the GDP from the chair is not flooded. (In this case, I think the parachute is prepared). At the same time, Rosneft, such as a state-owned company.
              5. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 22: 53 New
                -3
                In fact, Sechin is not the master, but the beholder, as they say in certain circles.
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 20 2020 23: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Karabin
            Novel philologist, teacher of Portuguese and French - main oilman

            ... а также, например, "проведший" 4 года в Анголе... вы знаете, что такое Ангола, "Карабин"?

            Фигею с оппов - пишут только то, что им выгодно, а когда тыкаешь их носом - делают удивленные глаза: "а нас-то за шо???" negative
          3. New Year day
            New Year day April 20 2020 23: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            you know what is angola

            tell us Roman .....
            In 83, a military translator from Angola was dying; he was telling me something.
            A classmate fought on the other hand, also told
          4. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 20 2020 23: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            tell us Roman .....

            А вы причем? Разговор с "Карабином"...

            That's it, I'm horizontal, call hi
  • for
    for April 20 2020 16: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    nationalize the entire oil and gas industry with energy and alcohol sales

    Quote: Svarog
    nationalize the entire oil and gas industry with energy and alcohol sales

    Nationalization according to the modern change of ownership in Russia.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 20 2020 16: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: for
      Nationalization according to the modern change of ownership in Russia.

      Собственником природных ресурсов, нефти, газа, энергетика... должен быть народ. Тогда лозунг "Народное достояние" будет звучать не как насмешка...
      In another way, all revenues should go into the pocket of the state, and TOP managers should receive a fair, adequate salary. Well, let's say 5-8 times more than the national average ..
      1. Gost2012
        Gost2012 April 22 2020 11: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: for
        Nationalization according to the modern change of ownership in Russia.

        Собственником природных ресурсов, нефти, газа, энергетика... должен быть народ. Тогда лозунг "Народное достояние" будет звучать не как насмешка...
        In another way, all revenues should go into the pocket of the state, and TOP managers should receive a fair, adequate salary. Well, let's say 5-8 times more than the national average ..

        laughing naivety, in its extreme expression, becomes stupid.
        Equalization could not take root and give an effective economy anywhere. There is no need to lament about the CPSU and the USSR, it all died because of inefficiency and leveling.
        We don’t need the balloons here, it was already enough.
  • Vend
    Vend April 20 2020 16: 55 New
    -4
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Wend
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head laughing

    Do you live in Russia? What do not observe the crisis? Amazing ..
    Пора социалистам вытаскивать страну из пропасти.. "Реформаторы" заигрались и в итоге самоизолировались .. Срочно нужно национализировать всю нефтегазовую отрасль с энергетикой и продажей спирта..

    I live in Russia and imagine comparing it with the crisis of the 90s, I see a huge difference.
    1. Romey
      Romey April 20 2020 19: 42 New
      +3
      I'm afraid you can’t imagine ... Then there was still a Soviet backlog, more enterprises worked, albeit with delays and inflation, one way or another paid pensions and salaries. In the village there was an opportunity to feed on the household. But if something like this happened now ... Yes, you will simply be thrown out for debts from your mortgage apartments and dropped out of credit auto-buckets, of which you are so proud to die of hunger on the street.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 52 New
        -3
        That is exactly what the socialists with a very rather large part of the USSR population did in 1932-1933. Want to take their place?
      2. Vend
        Vend April 22 2020 20: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: romey
        I'm afraid you can’t imagine ... Then there was still a Soviet backlog, more enterprises worked, albeit with delays and inflation, one way or another paid pensions and salaries. In the village there was an opportunity to feed on the household. But if something like this happened now ... Yes, you will simply be thrown out for debts from your mortgage apartments and dropped out of credit auto-buckets, of which you are so proud to die of hunger on the street.

        With a delay of three months, or even half a year, they paid off and rent debts grew and the light with gas was turned off for non-payment. Here they couldn’t evict according to the law, yes.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 20 2020 17: 31 New
    -4
    Well go, select and nationalize ...
    I wonder who will give you this ...
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard April 20 2020 21: 28 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    It's time for the socialists to pull the country out of the abyss ..

    Well, who are our socialists? Please, by name. wink
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 20 2020 21: 29 New
      -3
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Quote: Svarog
      It's time for the socialists to pull the country out of the abyss ..

      Well, who are our socialists? Please, by name. wink

      Tank, hi

      Who are you asking? At the bot? belay
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 20 2020 21: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Who are you asking? At the bot?

        hi Jack, is everything so bad with him? belay
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2020 21: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Tank Hard
          is everything so bad with him?


          There ... funny yes
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 20 2020 22: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            There ... funny

            Ага, там и "Аталеф" подобный... hi
  • CSKA
    CSKA April 20 2020 15: 56 New
    -4
    Quote: Wend
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head

    Another month of quarantine has not passed, only recently oil prices have dropped, and the author:
    The global global financial system is collapsing. Oil system.
    Production stops, unemployment, poverty and crime are growing rapidly.
    Can he bother to give examples ?!
    1. cniza
      cniza April 20 2020 17: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: CSKA

      Can he bother to give examples ?!


      This is how the world’s fires inflate and someone started it, and therefore they write without concrete examples ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 20 2020 18: 00 New
        +3
        Беспредметный спор, сплошная теория ... хоть бы учебники советские почитали, прежде чем замахивается на "великие свершения".
        Again, well, the epidemic will not go anywhere, you have to fight it, otherwise the consequences will be much worse.
        I, in some cases, disagree with the actions of the authorities, but basically everything is aimed at preserving, not destroying. Not without errors, but not in the worst way.
        Change right now, this is clearly making it worse.
        You can just wait, but you can take it and help the country survive this crisis! After all, everything will be counted in the future.
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 April 21 2020 01: 54 New
          0
          Вы что, а как же "разрушить весь мир до основан я, а потом... " суп и не факт что с котом, ибо их тоже на всех не хватит.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 21 2020 02: 02 New
            +2
            Just a virus, I like it less than this power. The choice, or maybe an elementary order ... we solve problems as they become significant.
            Moreover, with a virus the problem can be solved easier and faster ....
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 April 21 2020 02: 54 New
              +1
              With this virus, on the other hand, all the ins and outs of the little people immediately became visible. They began to shake about their skins, and before that only about their humiliated and deprived thoughts were. :)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 21 2020 07: 00 New
                0
                In an extreme situation, it is usually known who is ... who!
                We must end the virus, we have plenty to do !!! V.h. ask some for how they showed themselves in this situation too !!
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 21 2020 10: 58 New
          -3
          Quote: rocket757
          Pointless argument, solid theory ... хоть бы учебники советские почитали, прежде чем замахивается на "великие свершения".
          Again, well, the epidemic not going anywhere, it is necessary to fight it otherwisethe consequences will be much worse.
          I, in some cases, with actions authorities disagreebut mostly everything is aimed at preserving, not destroying. Not without errors, but also not worse.
          Change right now, this is clearly making it worse.
          You can just wait, but you can take and help the country survive this crisis! After all, everything will be counted in the future.

          Absolutely sound position, balanced and calm.
          So I think it shouldhi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 21 2020 12: 06 New
            +1
            Welcome soldier
            Много у нас торопыг, к тому ж безграмотных, спешат половить рыбку в мутной воде! Смотрю, уже отметились, " оценили"!
            Therefore, I remind everyone that learning is not very harmful, because you see they’ll break firewood, after all, the whole world will have to rake it!
            Those who were bought with giblets, only mine ... force to work with your hands, Schaub to corns, labor, and then send on all four sides, if only they would not interfere underfoot, if they do not understand that BREAK DO NOT BUILD, we are completely breaking do not.
            And it’s necessary to build, too, so that this time everything works out as it should!
            Хочется вразумить тех, кто просто не понял, на что и кто их собирает в "поход" на ....
            In short, not to break, but to build, build that which is not ashamed to hand to descendants.
  • Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack April 20 2020 16: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Wend
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head

    Surname obliges (I am on the content of the article). From the first two paragraphs, I realized who it is. Flipped down, and realized that he was not mistaken winked
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 20 2020 17: 28 New
    -1
    The same topic, the same author, the same nonsense - Polit 3D Samsonova.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 20 2020 18: 32 New
      -7
      Quote: Vadim237
      The same topic, the same author, the same nonsense - Polit 3D Samsonova.

      Apparently, he was writing an article in a state close to starving for a swoon, due to a sharp decrease in consumption, they ate all the buckwheat.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 20 2020 21: 46 New
        0
        No, probably from the toilet paper it got stupid - I decided to make a sausage according to Soviet guests of the late 80s.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 April 20 2020 18: 00 New
    13
    Actually - what do we see? Putin’s much-praised vertical power in a crisis doesn’t work. The worst thing is that they simply started to send Nolbolshoy .. Because he violated the commander’s main rule - never give orders that you are not able to force to execute .. But he gives such orders because he does not know what to do. He cannot and does not want to share, but without it, panic, despair and a mess begin in the country. And so - in all countries. Conclusion - a classic general crisis of capitalism and a type of democracy .. With all that it implies ..
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  • husband
    husband April 22 2020 10: 56 New
    +1
    The USSR flourished during the Great Depression !! There was no famine! Disposal of money is a fake! It's just that the country, in the framework of a healthy lifestyle, decided to lose weight and stopped eating. Apparently, the consequences of that prosperity influenced the psychiatry of the author, leading to outpourings of such nonsense.
  • Gost2012
    Gost2012 April 22 2020 11: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Wend
    The crisis is not in Russia, but in the author’s head laughing

    I support, KG / AM
  • Dart
    Dart April 25 2020 23: 45 New
    0
    Автор ,как сказать...по видимому,слегка "переизолировался"... wassat
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    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 39 New
      -7
      Поддерживаю, паникеров, плакальщиков ...в волонтеры и помощь медикам. Как в свое время граф Орлов с чумой в Москве боролся - выпустил из тюрем "лихих людей" и вперед!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 20 2020 18: 18 New
        12
        Quote: Okolotochny
        I support alarmists, mourners ... to volunteers and help doctors.

        Are real heroes coming from behind?
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 25 New
          -2
          Are real heroes coming from behind?

          Себя к героям не причисляю, герои - медики. Считаю, что в такое время быть юродивыми ради хайпа - это не есть хорошо. В такое время надо отбросить все свои политические пристрастия и диванные думы об обустройстве России, выполнять законы и другие подзаконные нормативные акты, они пишутся "кровью", жизнями наших сограждан, и устраивать свои политические пляски на этом фоне безнравственно, особенно для тех, кто обвиняет в этом руководство страны. Для себя считаю правильным спокойно делать свое дело.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 20 2020 18: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: Okolotochny
            the heroes are doctors.

            thanks for appreciating our contribution
            Quote: Okolotochny
            выполнять законы и другие подзаконные нормативные акты, они пишутся "кровью"

            only bosses do not comply with these laws, at least to take the simplest thing. 221 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation
            so
            Quote: Okolotochny
            пишутся "кровью", жизнями наших сограждан,
            and doctors.
            In Italy, more than 120 doctors died, 2 committed suicide after being diagnosed.
            How many doctors have got sick or died? Today I looked at my hospital, more than 2 dozen, and these are the ones I know.
            So our sins of power are corrected by our blood
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 35 New
              +3
              and doctors.

              You do not rank doctors among our citizens? I meant them first of all.
              only bosses do not comply with these laws

              Так в семье не без урода, об этом и Президент говорил. А вот с этим что делать? - вчера супруга Ватсап показывает, а там "пасхальные шашлычки" на природе, на берегу Кубани! Это как? Причем, сельские станичные жители, у которых свои подворья, неплохо оборудованные мангальными зонами, зонами посиделок и т.д. Чего все время на власть кивать, когда мы сами такие же?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 20 2020 18: 41 New
                +9
                Quote: Okolotochny
                You do not rank doctors among our citizens? I meant them first of all.

                and among our heroes we have not only Russian citizens. Next to us is a citizen of Kyrgyzstan. For instance.
                Quote: Okolotochny
                а там "пасхальные шашлычки" на природе, на берегу Кубани! Это как?

                this is what the state wanted in educating the population, do not care. The authorities said: themselves. Who lowered the doctors below the sewer? - Power and citizens. Now the heroes. So, what kind of power, such citizens. What goes around comes around.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 46 New
                  -1
                  this is what the state wanted in educating the population, do not care.

                  And before it was not so? Let's remember the rise to power of Andropov. Do you remember raids on cinemas and other vacation spots? Our people have always been like that. And in the Second World War, the negligent and the jackal were also missing, in the markets who sold underfloor products? Americans, capitalists, liberoids?
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day April 20 2020 18: 51 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    And before it was not so?

                    I will not say for everyone, but after the 17th Komsomol Congress I almost left the BAM
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 10 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  what power, such and citizens

                  Everything is correct, just the opposite (s) yes

                  Quote: Silvestr
                  after the 17th Komsomol Congress I almost left the BAM to build

                  Велик и могуч наш русский язык! Какой пассаж - "чуть было не" belay

                  Правильно читается так: "я не уехал". Прочее - лирика request
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 20: 49 New
                    +1
                    It reads like this: I wanted to go to BAM for a long ruble. Not fused. The Komsomol congress here is no more than an excuse; this passage could have been missed.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day April 20 2020 21: 49 New
                      +3
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      It reads like this: I wanted to go to BAM for a long ruble. Not fused.

                      в 17 лет при Союзе понятие "длинный рубль" похоже было только в вашей голове. Фарцовщик видать, по себе все меряем
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 22: 15 New
                        +3
                        But why? I deliberately requested a distribution after flying school to the Far North. Motivation: a high salary - that same long ruble, good flight practice and fast career growth, in the middle lane it is unattainable. I am a realist and have never been fed ideas.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day April 20 2020 23: 28 New
                        +5
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Motivation: a high salary - that same long ruble, good flight practice and fast career growth, in the middle lane it is unattainable. I am a realist and have never been fed ideas.

                        and my motivation was to treat people for 110 rubles a month. I fed on this idea and the idea of ​​becoming a good doctor. Do you catch the difference?
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day April 20 2020 21: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Правильно читается так: "я не уехал". Прочее - лирика

                  right, Roman, did not leave. Because the mother did not let. For me, the authority of my mother and now the authority. But in fact, she was right.
                  You see parents - not authority
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 20 2020 21: 53 New
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    right Roman didn’t leave

                    Sylvester, then why force with what was not? I, too, can write a lot to you that could have happened to me, but it wasn’t ... but I’m not writing, no?

                    Not manly it somehow. And not even patsansky.

                    IMHO hi
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day April 20 2020 23: 31 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Sylvester, then why force with what was not?

                      I'm talking about my state of mind, impulse. Is that feeling alien to you? And the implementation of the impulse depends on many components and often beyond our control.
                      so that
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Not manly it somehow. And not even patsansky.

                      everyone decides to the extent of his upbringing. And you, Roman, what was your dream at 17? What did you want to become? But only without clowning around!
                    2. Amateur
                      Amateur April 21 2020 08: 08 New
                      +1
                      105-110-115 рублей была стандартная зарплата любого "молодого специалиста" после окончания ВУЗа. Интрига была только в том, в какой части СССР ты будешь её получать после распределения.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 21 2020 11: 09 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Sylvester, then why force with what was not?

                    Also do not understand, brag about ..... what was not. belay request

                    У меня соседка , таки, поехала на целину, исковеркала себе жизнь, кроме как матом тот свой "порыв" не вспоминает...
                  3. Gost2012
                    Gost2012 April 22 2020 11: 40 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    right Roman didn’t leave

                    Sylvester, then why force with what was not? I, too, can write a lot to you that could have happened to me, but it wasn’t ... but I’m not writing, no?

                    Not manly it somehow. And not even patsansky.

                    IMHO hi

                    No, well, because I wanted to ... I almost did it now laughing
    2. Leo_59
      Leo_59 April 20 2020 18: 44 New
      -1
      Exactly, - with buckwheat and a notebook, or even with ...
  • Karabin
    Karabin April 20 2020 19: 56 New
    +5
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    Order 227 in force

    It is still necessary to give it. And the one who is supposed to give such orders hid somewhere.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 20 2020 20: 31 New
      +7
      Quote: Karabin
      It is still necessary to give it. And the one who is supposed to give such orders hid somewhere.

      He fearlessly prepares appeals, being in an orange house and asks to treat this with understanding.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 20 2020 21: 46 New
    -4
    When will the order number 666 come out.
  • Alexga
    Alexga April 20 2020 15: 15 New
    +4
    I would not like to believe that it will be so, but there is some truth. In any case, it is very believable.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: AlexGa
      I would not like to believe that it will be so, but there is some truth. In any case, it is very believable.

      Надо учиться отличать "правдоподобно" от "ненаучной фантастики", к примеру цитата из текста:

      "В частности, под предлогом борьбы с вирусом Билл Гейтс уже предложил глобальный проект чипизации людей через вакцинацию."

      Этот бред опять тиражируют - Гейтс банально фантазирует на тему будущих "перспективных" технологий, которые могут не появиться и в течение еще лет 50-100, чем и занимался всю сознательную жизнь, не так давно он разглагольствовал про "программирование бактерий", что сейчас только-только учатся делать...

      Это только один пример. А вообще мне понравилась фраза в одной "статье", что текущий кризис это "самый страшный кризис в истории современной России, его глубина и продолжительность пока неизвестны, но, без сомнения, он самый тяжелый".
      It’s clear that life isn’t sugar right now, that it’s impossible to work normally, and comprador incompetent authorities can only obscurely bleat from the screens ... But hitting the hysterical apocalyptic is extremely unwise in a situation where sober mind is needed more than ever!
      1. depressant
        depressant April 20 2020 17: 59 New
        +7
        Albert 1988 colleague!
        Автор, конечно, сгущает краски, либо предвосхищает события. Почему я откликнулась именно на ваш пост? Потому что Вы использовали слово "фантастика". Да, такое ощущение и у меня возникло. Читала и будто окунулась в атмосферу блокбастера-предупреждения. Аж жуть взяла!Выглянула в окно, а стоянки перед домом -- пустые. То ли народ на работу дружно вышел, то ли за неуплату кредтов машины отняты. И никто не машет ни красными, ни белыми флагами. И такое мирное небо над головой!..
        Но, знаете, что? В свое время вот так же поверить никто не мог, что СССР больше нет, что наутро проснулись в другой стране и даже в иной социально-экономической реальности. Вполне допускаю, что лягушек, то есть нас, по ходу в растворе коронавируса варят медленно, чтобы не выпрыгнули. Вот Автор пишет: "Все имеющиеся ресурсы будут исчерпаны". Я бы сюда добавила золотой запас. Злые языки утверждают, что запас вывозится в Лондон. Да, собственно, этого особо и не скрывал никто. То какой-то частник тонны слитков перевозил, то Набиуллина официально 115 тонн золота продала или что-то вроде. А без оповещения прессы -- сколько? Это как понимать? Эвакуация? В общем, движение идет, оно очевидно. Однако мы видим лишь рябь на поверхности внутриполитической воды, а что происходит в её страшных, мутных глубинах, неведомо. И очень боюсь, что что в один отвратительный день мы снова окажемся в иной реальности, куда более худшей, чем можно себе вообразить.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 20 2020 18: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: depressant
          Автор, конечно, сгущает краски, либо предвосхищает события. Почему я откликнулась именно на ваш пост? Потому что Вы использовали слово "фантастика". Да, такое ощущение и у меня возникло. Читала и будто окунулась в атмосферу блокбастера-предупреждения. Аж жуть взяла!

          That's it! These articles are harmful and harmful - they sow panic and psychosis, about which the author himself painstakingly and cynically writes! Now, as air must be calm, lose your head!
          Quote: depressant
          She looked out the window, and the parking lots in front of the house were empty. Either the people went out to work together, or the machines were taken away for non-payment of loans. And nobody waves either red or white flags. And such a peaceful sky above your head! ..

          Exactly, though the weather has let us down, rain and snow hail regularly pouring from the peaceful sky in my city and region)))) But the parking lots in front of my house are just the opposite - everyone is jammed, it’s good that my swallow is in the underground garage ))) But people still go decently to work - in the direction of Moscow, so the noble stream goes!
          Quote: depressant
          But, you know what? At one time, no one could believe like that the USSR was no more, that the next morning they woke up in another country and even in a different socio-economic reality. I fully admit that frogs, that is, we, along the way in a solution of coronavirus, are boiled slowly so as not to jump out.

          You need to understand what? That coronavirus is not a controlled phenomenon - the global elites need this crisis as cavers collapse! This mixed up all the cards for them and led to enormous losses and a crisis, the scale of which is generally impossible to predict!
          Quote: depressant
          Вот Автор пишет: "Все имеющиеся ресурсы будут исчерпаны". Я бы сюда добавила золотой запас. Злые языки утверждают, что запас вывозится в Лондон.

          Злые языки утверждают, что "Земля налетит на небесную ось!"(тм), так что меньше слушайте всякие там языки))))
          Quote: depressant
          Yes, in fact, no one really hid this. Either some private owner transported tons of bullion, then Nabiullina officially sold 115 tons of gold or something like that.

          So let's start from the facts - the private trader moved his gold, they spoke clearly and in essence about the sales of part of the gold. Rumors are now a phenomenon not only not useful, but also harmful! so my advice to you is to focus only on specific confirmed facts!
          Quote: depressant
          In general, the movement is on, it is obvious.

          Опять же - некоторым "очевидно", что земля плоская... Так что еще раз совет - давайте опираться только на железные факты!
          Quote: depressant
          And I’m very afraid that on one disgusting day we will again find ourselves in a different reality, much worse than you can imagine.

          No one is safe from this, in the end, scientists can blink some mega-asteroid or huge comet ... So to intimidate yourself in advance is a thankless task!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 20 2020 18: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: depressant
          Evacuation?

          Maybe. Judge for yourselves: the Saudis entered the peak in oil prices and Salman froze all megaprojects. We have all megaprojects saved. The size of gold and foreign exchange reserves is approximately equal, but the population of Arabia is much smaller than ours. Question: why such different approaches? It is clear that the population will get crumbs in our case
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 20 2020 19: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            Judge for yourselves: the Saudis entered the peak in oil prices and Salman froze all megaprojects. We have all megaprojects saved.

            Уважаемый Сильвестр! А что вы понимаете под мегапроектами? И потом - какие мегапроекты в Саудии? Строительство очередной скважины или очередного небоскреба/дворца? И осуществляются кем эти проекты? Правильно - завозными индийско-индонезийскими рабочими! У нас, например, ту же "Ангару" заморозьте - что будет? Правильно - куча людей сядет без работы... Хотите еще ухудшить ситуацию?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 20 2020 21: 31 New
              -1
              Quote: Albert1988
              Want to make things worse?

              but does it really depend on me? I have given two behaviors of two rival states.
              With regards to megaprojects ...
              Ours are known to you.
              My question is, why are there so different behaviors of states in the economic crisis?
              1. Albert1988
                Albert1988 April 20 2020 23: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Ours are known to you.
                My question is, why are there so different behaviors of states in the economic crisis?

                Просто потому, что у арабов работают ТОЛЬКО гастеры! Да и деньги у них ТОЛЬКО от нефти! У нас над той же "Ангарой" НЕ работают индусы и малазийцы! Сильвестр! Вы же образованный человек! Уж можно понимать такие простые вещи! Останови любой проект - "Ангару", "Армату", Су-57 - сколько людей без денег сидеть будет? То-то и оно!
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets April 20 2020 19: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Maybe. Judge for yourselves: the Saudis entered the peak in oil prices and Salman froze all megaprojects. We have all megaprojects saved. The size of gold and foreign exchange reserves is approximately equal, but the population of Arabia is much smaller than ours. Question: why such different approaches? It is clear that the population will get crumbs in our case

            Lived, we have to compare Russia with Saudi Arabia.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 20 2020 21: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Lived, we have to compare Russia with Saudi Arabia.

              propose to compare Russia with anyone in a dispute over the price of oil? - Two interested in one dispute.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 20 2020 21: 50 New
                +4
                An idiotic comparison, however, is a pug that lives in heat and a mammoth living in the north.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day April 20 2020 21: 52 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  a pug that lives in warmth and a mammoth living in the north.

                  for oil, however, they fight
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets April 20 2020 23: 32 New
                -3
                Quote: Silvestr
                propose to compare Russia with anyone in a dispute over the price of oil? - Two interested in one dispute.

                Я о том, что Россия, с недавних пор "Энергетическая Сверхдержава", а по простому, сырьевой придаток более развитых стран.
          3. alone
            alone April 20 2020 20: 39 New
            -1
            Quote: Silvestr
            the population will get crumbs in our case

            As usual ... Where did you see ordinary people with bold slices?
      2. Alexga
        Alexga April 20 2020 19: 44 New
        0
        I try to express only my personal opinion, here about this:
        "В частности, под предлогом борьбы с вирусом Билл Гейтс уже предложил глобальный проект чипизации людей через вакцинацию."

        I envy those specialists who created software for digital passports from scratch, from scratch, another question is how much all this is necessary. Then they created a database of Muscovites and others to enter the capital. The Ministry of Internal Affairs has no such data. Everything is there, and addresses, and passport data, and places of work, and transport! And who else owns all this is another question. It seems that the data for the Interbank Identification System is somewhere close. And you say, Bill Gates. The bonanza, with doubtful need. There is also a chipization of the population nearby.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 20 2020 20: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: AlexGa
          I envy those specialists who created software for digital passports from scratch

          Digital passports are already issued - there was an order, and there are a lot of specialists who will tear themselves in one place, but will do everything in half an hour to grab a gold contract.
          Quote: AlexGa
          Then they created a database of Muscovites and others to enter the capital. The Ministry of Internal Affairs has no such data.

          But the FSB has such a base! I once communicated with one interesting FSB officer - and so, they can find out about anyone. anything in half an hour - he arguably gave me complete information about the place of work, residence and the marital status of my classmate, whom I had not seen for about 15 years ... Note - without any chip, etc. - the tip was just at the educational institution where the citizen once studied! Then I really became scared!
          Quote: AlexGa
          Everything is there, and addresses, and passport data, and places of work, and transport! And who else owns all this is another question.

          The FSB owns this)))
          Quote: AlexGa
          It seems that the data for the Interbank Identification System is somewhere close.

          Not close, but already here - banks can instantly learn a lot about you, about your income / property / credit history, they don’t have a single base yet, yes, but there are already methods for obtaining information ...
          Quote: AlexGa
          And you say, Bill Gates.

          Billy loves to just dream up - he already does not solve anything, but as a consultant he works out in his own office, and yes - the technologies go and go quickly, especially digital ones, although there are problems, but you don’t have to draw fiction at all.
          Quote: AlexGa
          There is also a chipization of the population nearby.

          next, I agree. only to monitor a person using such a chip, you also need to install equipment everywhere that will scan it, because it is not a smartphone. he does not have enough power.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga April 20 2020 22: 37 New
            +1
            If, of course, the FSB did the software, then there are no questions, and the telephone companies that receive and process millions of SMS with data also do not work for free, it’s a profitable business. Time will tell if these databases will be available for sale. The question is the appropriateness of all this and the price of the question.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 April 20 2020 23: 51 New
              0
              Quote: AlexGa
              If, of course, the FSB did the software, then there are no questions

              The FSB does not need to make a program - they hired third-party specialists for this - professionals in this area are a dime a dozen, and the money for such a program will amount to tens of millions, if not hundreds! The FSB was obviously responsible for filling the database with info ...

              Quote: AlexGa
              Yes, and telephone companies that receive and process millions of SMS with data also do not work for free, it’s a profitable business.

              They are obliged to do this! The same FSB! Do you think it’s just that they fought against telegrams? And they took up arms from the fact that even its creators wanted to eat, they won’t be able to give anything out to anyone - such a method of encryption, and the competent authorities contemplated it)))

              Quote: AlexGa
              Time will tell if these databases will be available for sale.

              A lot of things may appear on sale that hackers have hacked, but here, firstly, the case is serious - hackers can also shorten the hacker after hacking, and secondly, everyone who needs the same banks will have access to this data just by request in FSB. If in our country elite schools can check whether their students were resting abroad instead of classes, and then they brought a certificate they bought that they were sick ...

              Quote: AlexGa
              The question is the appropriateness of all this and the price of the question.

              Целесообразность очевидна - тотальный контроль государства за гражданами - тихий такой и незаметный, но абсолютный... Этот "цифровой концлагерь" с "электронными ошейниками" наступит, но не сразу и в одночасье, как нас пытаются убедить сторонники теории заговора, а постепенно и медленно, в результате долгой и кропотливой работы. Еще лет 5 - 10, я думаю, и мы все увидим...
    2. CSKA
      CSKA April 20 2020 15: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: AlexGa
      I would not like to believe that it will be so, but there is some truth. In any case, it is very believable.

      Are you kidding me? What is believable? This:
      The global global financial system is collapsing. Oil system.
      Production stops, unemployment, poverty and crime are growing rapidly.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga April 20 2020 19: 50 New
        +1
        Sergey, read the news about the United States, and even better, talk with friends there. My acquaintances, who have previously had a stable business, are queuing for benefits. And if the mess begins there, then it will affect almost everyone, except, probably, the DPRK and the Republic of Belarus. But there is nothing to talk about states with young capitalism. IMHO.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA April 21 2020 15: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: AlexGa
          Sergey, read the news about the USA, and even better, talk with friends there.

          Talking to classmates. One in San Francisco, the other in Atlanta.
          Quote: AlexGa
          My acquaintances, who have previously had a stable business, are queuing for benefits. And if the mess begins there, then it will affect almost everyone, except, probably, the DPRK and the Republic of Belarus. But there is nothing to talk about states with young capitalism. IMHO.

          The bottom line is different. In what the author wrote.
          Quote: CSKA
          Collapsing global financial system

          How did he get it to collapse?
          Quote: CSKA
          Oil system

          It’s not at all clear what a fictitious system is.
          Quote: CSKA
          Production stops

          Partially stop, large cuts, and this is worldwide and temporary.
          Quote: CSKA
          unemployment, poverty and crime are growing rapidly.

          But this is generally a fairy tale.
  • DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO April 20 2020 15: 17 New
    +8
    Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power, the interim government of the Kudrins, Chubais, Sobyanins, Kiriyenko.
    Og, they have popular support zero point ten. With the socialists and nearby liberals did not lie. wink Unless the provisional government will be fooled for a short while using the fact that the Kremlin hangs on, and then the rails of history ... more precisely, the millstone of history for them. winked
    1. Vend
      Vend April 20 2020 15: 30 New
      -3
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power, the interim government of the Kudrins, Chubais, Sobyanins, Kiriyenko.
      Og, they have popular support zero point ten. With the socialists and nearby liberals did not lie. wink Unless the provisional government will be fooled for a short while using the fact that the Kremlin hangs on, and then the rails of history ... more precisely, the millstone of history for them. winked

      And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 20 2020 16: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.

        Have you ever asked yourself the question, why do this? Maybe the West is not giving something away from us? Maybe we don’t export the resources that we ourselves extract? Maybe we don’t export money to them?
        Or maybe we did not give them our market?
        1. Vend
          Vend April 20 2020 17: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Malyuta
          Quote: Wend
          And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.

          Have you ever asked yourself the question, why do this? Maybe the West is not giving something away from us? Maybe we don’t export the resources that we ourselves extract? Maybe we don’t export money to them?
          Or maybe we did not give them our market?

          Not only asked, but also know the answers to them. Strong Russia is not needed, we need either Russia of the 90s, or divided into parts.
          1. Zastupnik
            Zastupnik April 20 2020 17: 56 New
            -3
            Quote: Wend
            Not only asked, but also know the answers to them.

            I also know, like you, with this coven inside Russia and in the world ..
            Quote: Wend
            Russia is not needed, we need either Russia of the 90s, or divided into parts.

            Именно ! Заметили ,как тут все активировались резко и к чему нас в России все склоняют опять ..? С этой пандемией и изоляцией есть шанс ,устроить очередную смуту в России и нас тонко к этому подводят ..Типо ,это не мы (неолиберы") ,это вы сами начали..
            I hope to break through .. hi
            1. Alexga
              Alexga April 20 2020 19: 52 New
              +1
              With this pandemic and isolation, there is a chance to create another turmoil in Russia and we are subtly led to this

              I absolutely agree with you. Not only the Russian Federation, but the whole of Europe is under attack.
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 20 2020 18: 20 New
            +5
            Quote: Wend
            Not only asked, but also know the answers to them. Strong Russia is not needed, we need either Russia of the 90s, or divided into parts.

            Я сильно извиняюсь, но вы разговариваете штампами. Я конкретизирую вопрос, каким образом можно развалить РФ ,с учётом того, что у нас нет национальных окраин?И второй "котрольный" вопрос, почему "слабую" РФ не развалили в 90ые?Чтобы наконец дождаться, когда она станет сильной и пробовать разваливать её снова?
            Don't you think that your logic is missing here?
            1. Vend
              Vend April 20 2020 18: 34 New
              -6
              Quote: Malyuta
              Quote: Wend
              Not only asked, but also know the answers to them. Strong Russia is not needed, we need either Russia of the 90s, or divided into parts.

              Я сильно извиняюсь, но вы разговариваете штампами. Я конкретизирую вопрос, каким образом можно развалить РФ ,с учётом того, что у нас нет национальных окраин?И второй "котрольный" вопрос, почему "слабую" РФ не развалили в 90ые?Чтобы наконец дождаться, когда она станет сильной и пробовать разваливать её снова?
              Don't you think that your logic is missing here?

              С логикой у меня все в порядке, Что это за термин такой, национальные окраины? Есть государственные границы, вот окраина России, как и любой другой страны. А с чего вы взяли, что Россию в 90-х прекратили разваливать? Вы оглянитесь, сколько чиновников, бизнесменов имеют счета и недвижимость загранице, сколько сми на западной дотации, сколько неправительственных организация работают на развал. Просто наш президент со своей командой переиграл всех. Как в строй пословице, курочка по зернышку. Создавая компромисс с чиновниками, олигархами, чтобы привести страну к изменениям в конституции, которые закрепляют многие законы для людей и страны. Не думал, что доживу до такой перемены. А нынешняя эпидемия наглядно показывает, что запад стоит лишь но одной старой доктрине Геббельса "Ложь сказанная тысячу раз становится правдой". Россия все дурное обращает на пользу себе, чего не могут сделать западные страны.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta April 20 2020 19: 09 New
                +8
                Quote: Wend
                Just our president and his team outplayed everyone.
                I understand and agree
                С тем , что он всех "переиграл" -только у меня остаётся один махонький вопрос. а кто , пардон, на ваш взгляд, входит в его команду? hi
                1. Vend
                  Vend April 21 2020 10: 25 New
                  0
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Quote: Wend
                  Just our president and his team outplayed everyone.
                  I understand and agree
                  С тем , что он всех "переиграл" -только у меня остаётся один махонький вопрос. а кто , пардон, на ваш взгляд, входит в его команду? hi

                  Naturally, I don’t know everyone, but for example Minister of Defense Shoigu, Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov.
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 21 2020 10: 36 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Wend
                    Naturally, I don’t know everyone, but for example Minister of Defense Shoigu, Minister of Foreign Affairs Lavrov.

                    Well, yes, we are not supposed to know all, and the main thing is to believe that they are. What do you think, are they now hiding in one bunker or in different ones?
      2. Svarog
        Svarog April 20 2020 16: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.

        And now doesn’t this happen .. exactly what you wrote, you can add another population decline of 400 tons per year .. and the picture is completed
        1. Zastupnik
          Zastupnik April 20 2020 17: 58 New
          -6
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Wend
          And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.

          And now doesn’t this happen .. exactly what you wrote, you can add another population decline of 400 tons per year .. and the picture is completed

          Well, what do you suggest Vladimir? Dig trenches and sharpen forks ..
        2. Vend
          Vend April 20 2020 18: 42 New
          -3
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Wend
          And enough for them to ruin and reduce to poverty and the collapse of the country, to the delight of the West and romantic revolutionary idiots.

          And now doesn’t this happen .. exactly what you wrote, you can add another population decline of 400 tons per year .. and the picture is completed

          You can not see the simple program of the Russian government to improve demography. Maternity capital, preferential mortgages for young families, support for large families, etc. So, contrary to Western inhuman plantings in the stupid heads, Russia continues to work to increase demography. Want to know what a crisis and the collapse of the country compare with the 90s))) I think you get your salary on time, and dress well, and you have a good cell phone, etc.))) and all the collapse in your country))) the collapse is not in the country, but in the head)))
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 20 2020 19: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            You can not see the simple program of the Russian government to improve demography.

            Does it work that program? And if it works, why are we dying out?
            So in spite of Western inhuman plantings in the stupid heads, Russia continues to work to increase demography

            For 30 years, our government has been working tirelessly, and Russia is dying .. you don’t think this is strange, in words they work, but in reality the population is declining ..
            I understand that women love with their ears .. but men must look at the facts and the result.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 20: 04 New
              -4
              Only Russia is dying? In fact, the indigenous population is declining in all civilized countries, except Islamic. Despite all their injections into the social sphere.
            2. Vend
              Vend April 21 2020 10: 41 New
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Wend
              You can not see the simple program of the Russian government to improve demography.

              Does it work that program? And if it works, why are we dying out?
              So in spite of Western inhuman plantings in the stupid heads, Russia continues to work to increase demography

              For 30 years, our government has been working tirelessly, and Russia is dying .. you don’t think this is strange, in words they work, but in reality the population is declining ..
              I understand that women love with their ears .. but men must look at the facts and the result.

              Программа работает и не одна программа. Нет не кажется, большое количество пенсионеров, "поколение снежинок" не желающих создавать семьи, пропаганда ЛГБТ и тд. За 90-е среди чиновников такое количество западных эмиссаров прикормлено, да и советский период воспитал чиновничью лень и страх, потерять место у кормушки.
              https://www.gks.ru/free_doc/2019/demo/edn12-19.htm тут можете посмотреть всю сводку о приросте и смертности.
            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 21 2020 11: 16 New
              -4
              Quote: Svarog
              For 30 years, our government has been working tirelessly, and Russia is dying .. you don’t think this is strange

              Russia is dying out with 1964 g (depopulation and aging — FIRST in Europe!) and some Russian regions and since the 1950sso nothing strange.
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 20 2020 15: 47 New
      +3
      Given that among the Russian population, usually a third are pessimistic about power, a third are loyalists, and the rest are apolitical, liberalism may well slip through.
      1. Zastupnik
        Zastupnik April 20 2020 17: 59 New
        -8
        Quote: Deniska999
        Given that among the Russian population, usually a third are pessimistic about power, a third are loyalists, and the rest are apolitical, liberalism may well slip through.

        Rush through to Kolyma and bring down the forest .. Here you have a place .. laughing
        And then I got inspired here I look. Well, well
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 17: 47 New
      -4
      Compare how many people go to the shares of the left. Shish yes kumysh, that’s all the support of the socialists.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 20 2020 15: 21 New
    -3
    Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power,

    Rather, the Martians will be invited than these. If they break it, then the military will come to power.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 20 2020 15: 50 New
      +9
      In Russia, the military were not in power. The army as a political force is loyal to the system and its will is completely in line with the current government.
      1. Zastupnik
        Zastupnik April 20 2020 18: 03 New
        -14
        Quote: Deniska999
        In Russia, the military were not in power. The army as a political force is loyal to the system and its will is completely in line with the current government.

        Is that a call for a coup in Russia ..? You didn’t get the son on the shore. What are you talking about? This site is a MILITARY REVIEW and it seems like a Russian site, and not some kind of neoliberal blog ..
        Generally insolent ..
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 April 20 2020 18: 10 New
          +3
          Eyes are given to read, the mind is to comprehend what is read. Only the first function apparently works for you. And my message was a response to the post of the person above.

          PS And yes, before hanging labels, read the history of political doctrines.
          1. Zastupnik
            Zastupnik April 20 2020 20: 02 New
            -7
            Quote: Deniska999
            Eyes are given to read, the mind is to comprehend what is read. Only the first function apparently works for you. And my message was a response to the post of the person above.

            Otmazalas and twisted, well done)))
            Quote: Deniska999
            PS And yes, before hanging labels, read the history of political doctrines.

            Talmud? I read Trotsky too bully
            1. Deniska999
              Deniska999 April 20 2020 20: 55 New
              0
              I answered adequately, unlike you. I doubt that you had enough to master the Talmud.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 20 2020 17: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Amateur
      Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power,

      Rather, the Martians will be invited than these. If they break it, then the military will come to power.

      Are you talking about a builder who successfully ruined the Civil Defense and much more? laughing
  • vvvjak
    vvvjak April 20 2020 15: 21 New
    +8
    Although the example of sanity at hand is Belarus, the “father” of Lukashenko.

    Эта фраза меня особенно "порадовала".
    1. Masha
      Masha April 20 2020 15: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: vvvjak
      Although the example of sanity at hand is Belarus, the “father” of Lukashenko.

      Эта фраза меня особенно "порадовала".

      Or amused? recourse
      1. vvvjak
        vvvjak April 20 2020 15: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Masha
        Or amused?

        Можно и так. А лучше "сразила наповал". smile
        1. Masha
          Masha April 20 2020 16: 01 New
          +6
          Можно и так. А лучше "сразила наповал". smile

          Then, you are no longer in danger wink love
          1. vvvjak
            vvvjak April 20 2020 16: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Masha
            Then, nothing more threatens you wink love

            Think everything is so hopeless?
            1. Masha
              Masha April 20 2020 16: 15 New
              +5
              Hope dies last!!!
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 41 New
      +4
      Panikovsky immediately remembered - Give a million, well, give a million!
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 20 2020 15: 22 New
    0
    Why are regional authorities fighting the virus? Where is the sanitary-epidemiological service, the Ministry of Emergencies, and if the business is very bad, the armed forces?
    I don’t understand ... do you have to impose martial law? Curfew? What media are causing a panic? And I see a panic in this article. 40 tons of people got sick out of 145 million. Tea is not cholera. And there is nothing to regret the governors, or do they again, as always, follow the orders from above? And their brains do not need them? More and more yellowness is here.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 20 2020 15: 31 New
      +8
      Quote: Alexander S.
      I don’t understand ... do you have to impose martial law? Curfew?

      Or introduce an emergency, with a complete ban on the movement of everyone who is not part of the special life support team. and landings / executions on the spot, for especially active and very mobile, or not to twitch at all. And this very self-isolation is the classic escalation of hysteria, with a passing blow to the economy. And the sense of it, like a goat’s milk, and complicate life to the maximum, and constantly put pressure on the brain, in the style - everything is bad, everyone will die.
    2. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 20 2020 15: 53 New
      10
      The governors, like the ministers in the government and many others, were chosen from us not by the principle of professionalism, but by the principle of loyalty to higher ones. Some officials, please.
      Ну а они себе команды подбирали таким же образом. Все они только умеют в привычной обстановке "осваивать" бюджет. А теперь эта система тупит не по детски. Думаете достаточно стукнуть кулаком по столу и все волшебным образом изменится? Все эти бездарности вдруг станут отличными инициативными управленцами?
      Да ничего подобного. Они просто тоже "самоизолируются" по примеру центральной власти и мы рискуем получить вообще полную анархию на местах.
      Sawing the budget is one thing, and having full responsibility with limited resources is another. Bad Nem, as they say.
  • Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 20 2020 15: 23 New
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    lawlessness at all times .. engendered violence. I think the residents behind the Kremlin wall, they remember that.
  • Kolin
    Kolin April 20 2020 15: 26 New
    +4
    В Бергамо в марте этого года умерло в 6 раз больше, чем в марте прошлого. Это для поклонников "этАпростАгрипп".
    1. withoutreverse
      withoutreverse April 20 2020 15: 35 New
      16
      in Russia in 2019 15,6 thousand people died on the roads.
      Every fourth of the dead in Russia in 2019 .. did not reach the age of 60

      In Russia, despite the observed decrease, the proportion of young people among all deceased remains relatively high. So, according to the data for 2018, almost one in ten did not live up to the age of 45 years (9,5%), every fourth (24,6%) - until the age of 60 years.

      and you say Bergamo .. we would have to sort out our problems. and then help the rest of the world.
  • Shadow
    Shadow April 20 2020 15: 27 New
    +4
    Corporations have a chance to drive smaller competitors into the grave, authorities gain fear and then appear as a savior, and a small person is pricked by infantile-blind gypsy.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 20 2020 15: 28 New
    -6
    Такое ощущение что автор и не "автор" вовсе. Уже не в первый раз замечено что под одним и темже "авторством" принципиально разные люди. Даже по стили изложения. recourse А может режим "самоизоляции" повлиял? Так сказать синдром "Горлума"? belay lol wassat
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 20 2020 15: 28 New
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    Грустно такое читать, но автор то и прав! Самоустранение власти под предлогом пандемии свидетельствует о неспособности власти адекватно реагировать на внутригосударственные процессы, в массе своей неготивные! И, ведь началось то все не вчера! Падение экономики идет годы, а кремль как не имел решения этой проблемы, так и ее имеет этого решения сейчас! Достаточно вспомнить "сказку сверху " о 25 миллионах ВЫСОКОТЕХНОЛОГИЧНЫХ рабочих местах! Сейчас это напоминает издевку над народом!Власть обязана вывести страну из режима самоизоляции, и заняться экономикой немедленно! А в перспективе кремль должен в течении года провести ЧЕСТНЫЕ перевыборы руководителя страны!
    1. CSKA
      CSKA April 20 2020 16: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      It’s sad to read, but the author is right!

      What is he right about? There, even the initial text is pure fiction.
      Quote: Thrifty
      Self

      What is self-removal? The president holds meetings every day.
      Quote: Thrifty
      The economic decline has been going on for years

      Actually it was only in 2008 and in 2014 if you are not in the know.
      Quote: Thrifty
      Достаточно вспомнить "сказку сверху " о 25 миллионах ВЫСОКОТЕХНОЛОГИЧНЫХ рабочих местах!

      Do you even know what kind of jobs these are? It seems not.
      Quote: Thrifty
      The government is obliged to withdraw the country from self-isolation

      Are you a virologist or a doctor? I’m more inclined to trust their opinion, not yours.
      Quote: Thrifty
      and get busy immediately!

      She does it every day.
      Quote: Thrifty
      And in the future, the Kremlin should conduct HONEST re-election of the country's leader during the year!

      A connoisseur of democracy is elected only by the president and parliament, not ministers. and what you want is categorized as your problem.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 20 2020 17: 27 New
        +1
        The president holds meetings every day
        belay lol
        1. CSKA
          CSKA April 21 2020 15: 08 New
          +2
          Very informative.))))) For more was not enough.
      2. Revival
        Revival April 20 2020 17: 52 New
        +5
        From his meetings, it’s useless, like milk.
        Sneeze on directions .... sneeze.
        Loans at zero% = 0!
        Министр попробовал взять в сбере и втб, послали его, "банкам это не выгодно".
        Mishustin was indignant.
        Sberbank: we do not accept applications for such loans.
        Credit holidays: 85% of banks rejected, the rest is still under consideration (CB head) ~ 0
        1. CSKA
          CSKA April 21 2020 15: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Revival
          From his meetings, it’s useless, like milk.
          Sneeze on directions .... sneeze.

          And you thought in a week everything will be decided? This is a bureaucracy, it’s impossible for everyone to catch up.
    2. depressant
      depressant April 20 2020 18: 18 New
      +3
      Бережливый... Ну, так всем же понятно, что экономические провалы абсолютно тупого руководства будут списаны на коронавирус. Тупого и загребущего. На днях довелось увидеть ролик с "рыбачьим домиком" Медведева. "Домик" с хозяйственными постройками размером больше стадиона. Вот этим и были заняты наши управители последние 20 лет. Строили "рыбачьи домики" и ловили золотых рыбок в взбаламученной ими же мутной экономической воде.
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 17: 45 New
      -1
      У нас подобных много - пора им уже альянс создавать с коммунистами - фантазёрами, адептами плоской земли, неоанархистами и прочими "аметистами" теоретиками заговоров и параноиков. Верхняя палата считай будет сформирована с наполнением нижних палат проблем не будет - маразматики заполнят.
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA April 20 2020 15: 31 New
    +2
    In Vladikavkaz, protests have already begun
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4326717?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: BIABIA
      In Vladikavkaz, protests have already begun

      Вы эти "протесты" сравните с тем, что в том же Техасе пошло... Хотя там типа как власть по штуке баксов платит "самоизолирующимся"...
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei April 20 2020 15: 33 New
    -4
    Автор, Вы очень четко показали, что у Вас в голове: "Таким образом, мы видим скорее развитие не эпидемии, а массового психоза." В пример привести Белоруссию!?? Очень развитая и главное открытая по информации страна.. Перестаньте писать то в чем Вы не разбираетесь. Если у Вас есть экономическое или медицинское или политологическое образование , то сделайте нормальную статью с выкладками и размышлениями. А если нет, то не лезьте на трибуну с ерундистикой: "Сопротивляется Трамп,", "Сопротивляется Лукашенко", "Ведь любому здравомыслящему человеку очевидно, что эпидемиологической катастрофы нет!" ...
    Are you sick or kidding ?? In the US, more than 40 thousand deaths in 1,5 months and the pace is only growing. There are more than 160 thousand dead in the world, and this despite the fact that for sure the whole world if there is a possibility (for example in India) underestimate losses.
    If you do not understand that if more than 1% of the US population, i.e. 3,2-3,5 million people in the country there will be a collapse of medical care and growth will increase at times !!!
    AGAIN QUESTION TO MODERATORS !!! Do you even check what the authors put on the pages of BO ??
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 April 20 2020 15: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Sfurei
      " В пример привести Белоруссию!?? Очень развитая и главное открытая по информации страна..

      Недавно созванивался с родственниками и знакомыми из Беларуси - живут в Витебске и Минске, говорят в стране атас полный - очень тяжелая эпидемия, очень много людей ложатся с тяжелой пневмонией (догадайтесь с какой), врачам при этом откровенно запрещают ставить диагнозы "коронавирус", просто вирусная пневмония, никаких мер не предпринимается, чтобы купировать ситуацию...
      1. Oleg Skvortsov
        Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 16: 06 New
        +2
        Do not lie. Everything is normal there, nobody even puts on masks. What benefit do you pursue by rolling all sorts of nonsense?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 20 2020 16: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
          Do not lie. Everything is normal there, nobody even puts on masks. What benefit do you pursue by rolling all sorts of nonsense?

          I just pass on what relatives and friends tell me!
          Да - масок никто не одевает, потому что ничего не объявляли! НО! Люди болеют - от хорошей знакомой в Минске - за последнюю неделю две семьи на ее лестничной клетке из соседних квартир оказались в больницах в полном составе с диагнозом "пнемония"... Как вы думаете, с чего бы? Так холодно на улице, все простужаются?

          Племянница работает в больнице в Витебске - открыто написала - руководство вызвало всех завотделениями и дало указиловку - "коронавируса не упоминать, диагнозы не ставить"...

          And there’s no benefit to me from this - I’m just reporting information from eyewitnesses ...
          1. g_ae
            g_ae April 20 2020 17: 20 New
            +4
            It seems that I do not live in Minsk. Well, the situation, of course, is not simple, everything happens, but the apocalypse, as some describe, something is not yet visible. We’ll wait and see who is right and who is wrong. At least, I do not need such a madhouse and idiocy as in Moscow. And whining is, unfortunately, a national feature of Belarusians. And not the best.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 April 20 2020 17: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: g_ae
              It seems that I do not live in Minsk. Well, the situation, of course, is not simple, everything happens, but the apocalypse, as some describe, something is not yet visible.

              If you are not working as a doctor, then, of course, you don’t see the whole situation. Well, the apocalypse is very far away - the situation is just difficult, many sick. I repeat - an acquaintance from Minsk said - during the week at the beginning one family came down - father, mother, sixth grade daughter, then the second family came down - husband and wife, the adult son doesn’t live with them, it’s not known how he is, because that same week He came. All the neighbors in the same stairwell ...

              Ну и племянница работает в больнице - говорит много очень народу с пневмонией, при этом диагноза "коронавирус" по указке "сверху" не ставят, пишут просто пневмония...
              1. g_ae
                g_ae April 20 2020 18: 13 New
                +3
                A lot of such stories and even worse can tell and Russian, and Italian, and Spanish, and American, and Polish, and Ukrainian doctors. And what? This proves nothing and does not mean anything. The final results can be summed up by the fall. Who will survive. Most likely everyone will be ill. There is no vaccine yet, and when it will be incomprehensible, and whether it will be unknown at all. At least everyone who wants to sit out (or self-isolate) has no obstacles at work. At my own expense. And for working dressings, sanitizers, an operating mode to minimize contacts, an udalenka if possible. If your authorities do not want to pay your own from the NWF, then ours simply do not have such funds. Moreover, this will not end in two weeks, and there it will be possible to die stupidly from hunger. Well, what for such a quarantine? Especially since I can sit locked up in the blue, and then go out and with a high probability again bite. Especially in the fall, the second wave is predicted. Not. Better as we have now than such a tin as in Russia. By the way, the other day I called my sister to the district center in the North Caucasus. She told me the same thing about their district hospital. And about the diagnoses, and that the doctors got into their mouths like water. And what?
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 April 20 2020 18: 17 New
                  -1
                  This, of course, is your will, the problem is that if nothing is highlighted now, it is not a fact that we will later find out how it was real, and rumors will only worsen the situation. The problem here is something else - if you are around 30-40 - then do not worry, but if you have elderly relatives - then you already have to save them.
                  As for the NWF, normal laws must be adopted immediately, which will regulate the behavior of employers in this period ... And not a month later. when people already lost their jobs ...
                  1. g_ae
                    g_ae April 20 2020 18: 29 New
                    +3
                    Освещать что? Пожалуйста, на tut.by каждый день статистику публикуют. От этого кому-то легче? Вирус пропадает от этого? Тем более есть масса людей, которые все равно будут сомневаться и считать, что от них скрывают. Да и пожилых насильно никто на улицу не гонит. И службы доставки тоже имеют место быть. Вы что , думаете, что у нас тут союз образца 70-х годов? А уж как у вас полицаи в том числе и пожилых женщин, ко орый на улицу вышли винтят (видимо для "поберечь"). Аплодирую стоя.
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 April 20 2020 19: 10 New
                      +2
                      Quote: g_ae
                      you have cops

                      Вы, уважаемый, на своих "полицаев" смотрите, наши выполняют распоряженгие - выход из дома в Москве по пропуску...
                      Quote: g_ae
                      Cover what? Please publish statistics on tut.by every day. Is this easier for someone?

                      Do not cover, but warn and conduct quarantine measures! When everyone walks, the situation only gets worse! It’s another question what will you (God forbid), taking into account the fact that in Russia it all began much later than in the world, and the peak is just ahead - late-April-early May, according to optimistic forecasts!
                      Quote: g_ae
                      Do you think that we have here an alliance of the sample of the 70s?

                      And what do you have against the Union of the sample of the 70s? And you can not convince me - I have an aunt, niece and grandmother who live in Vitebsk, I visit them every year, a good friend of my family lives in Minsk, I trust these people!
                      The current infection is a very dangerous thing, precisely because it is very contagious and can cause complications for some percent of people.

                      А так есть пример для подражания - Туркмения! Там вообще коронавирус запретили, а от болячек населению рекомендуют защищаться "тысячелетними средствами"...
                      1. g_ae
                        g_ae April 20 2020 19: 23 New
                        0
                        Oh yeah! Perform so perform. Make a fool pray to God ... And why did you decide that they did not warn us and did not cover us? And in Russia, no one declared quarantine a dare to remind. And as in the Moscow metro the other day, quarantine measures were held - this is a song. No, you can be proud of yourself in front of us. For God's sake. But what the hell.
                      2. g_ae
                        g_ae April 20 2020 19: 43 New
                        -1
                        Кстати, против короновируса сейчас, похоже, "тысячелетние" средства не сильно то и уступают современным по эффективности Вот с осложнениями другое дело. Так что иронизировать на туркменами можно будет когда закончится эпидемия, и когда будут посчитаны потери. Если реальные цифры хоть кто-то в мире огласит. В чем я очень сомневаюсь.
                      3. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 April 20 2020 19: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: g_ae
                        Кстати, против короновируса сейчаспохоже "тысячелетние" средства не сильно то и уступают современным по эффективности

                        Only one thing helps against this virus: to stay at home and have minimal contact with others, this is the only way to stop its spread, the only way the Chinese have stopped it!
                        Quote: g_ae
                        So it will be possible to ironize with the Turkmens when the epidemic ends, and when the losses are calculated.

                        Do you seriously think that one of the most closed countries will take and publish like this?
                      4. g_ae
                        g_ae April 20 2020 20: 04 New
                        0
                        I am sure that no one will publish real data, including Russia. And when Rosstat was repaired by the Ministry of Economic Development ... Yes, and there is no such data and it cannot be. And all the data published now is very, very dubious.
                      5. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 April 20 2020 20: 07 New
                        +3
                        Quote: g_ae
                        I am sure that no one will publish real data, including Russia. And when Rosstat was repaired by the Ministry of Economic Development ... Yes, and there is no such data and it cannot be. And all the data published now is very, very dubious.

                        Now they publish only what they know - whom they tested positively, and they publish it, of course, that you can’t catch all those who have been ill - there will not be enough tests, especially for those who were asymptomatic, but who were contagious!
                  2. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 57 New
                    +4
                    Quote: g_ae
                    If at least someone in the world announces real numbers. What I really doubt

                    Keep the site:


                    I can give you a couple more links - both ours and foreign ones. The numbers (in general) are the same. What, like kakbe, hints ...

                    Да и какой смысл скрывать? Цифры, в-общем, не запредельные, проблема в том, что вирус уж больно "активный", и, если не окарантиниться, то цифры возрастут на порядок-два. Вот тогда уже будет реальная попа...
                2. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 April 20 2020 19: 45 New
                  +3
                  Quote: g_ae
                  Oh yeah! Perform so perform. Make a fool pray to God ... And why did you decide that they did not warn us and did not cover us?

                  Dear, you can go to the hospital and ask the doctors. how are you ...
                  Quote: g_ae
                  And in Russia, no one declared quarantine a dare to remind.

                  Quarantine is one thing, quarantine measures are another thing ...
                  Quote: g_ae
                  And as in the Moscow metro the other day, quarantine measures were held - this is a song.

                  Have you been the other day in the Moscow metro?
                  Quote: g_ae
                  No, you can be proud of yourself in front of us. For God's sake. But what the hell.

                  Where am I proud? In Russia, there are shoals, but almost completely ignored - no ...
                3. g_ae
                  g_ae April 20 2020 19: 55 New
                  -5
                  А с чего вы взяли про "полное игнорирование" то? С чего такие выводы? Вы ж поймите, что Россия в 15 раз больше Беларуси. И на любой найденный вами ужас у нас я найду в 15 раз больше ужас-ужас у вас. И че? А уж эффективность периодических обращений откуда-то из бункера мне тоже представляется весьма сомнительной. Все покажет время и сейчас судить не о чем.
                4. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 April 20 2020 20: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: g_ae
                  А с чего вы взяли про "полное игнорирование" то?

                  Nothing, wait and see ... The main thing is that everything is fine ...
                  And I rely solely on the information of relatives - they are all there on the nerves, which is not characteristic of them at all, which is why my anxiety ...
                5. g_ae
                  g_ae April 20 2020 20: 26 New
                  0
                  Я вполне понимаю и ваше беспокойство и их. Я, кстати, 30 лет прожил в Витебске, как раз в шаговой доступности от областной больницы, и масса знакомых и родственников в Витебске. И очень хорошо знаю эту компанию, что из Италии в Витебск заразу притащила. Буквально вчера созванивались с бывшими соседями по даче. Да, обстановка напряжённая и тяжелая, но никто в трубку не кричит "а, мы все умрём". И вирус уже здесь и никуда не уйдёт, и никакими самоизоляциями и карантинами его не победить, пока не будет коллективного иммунитета или вакцины. Надо беречься, выполнять возможные меры и надеяться. Все равно денег на длительный карантин нету. И не будет. Береженого бог бережёт, а чему быть, того не миновать.
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka April 20 2020 21: 22 New
    -3
    Quote: Albert1988
    Quote: Sfurei
    " В пример привести Белоруссию!?? Очень развитая и главное открытая по информации страна..

    Недавно созванивался с родственниками и знакомыми из Беларуси - живут в Витебске и Минске, говорят в стране атас полный - очень тяжелая эпидемия, очень много людей ложатся с тяжелой пневмонией (догадайтесь с какой), врачам при этом откровенно запрещают ставить диагнозы "коронавирус", просто вирусная пневмония, никаких мер не предпринимается, чтобы купировать ситуацию...

    Well, I'm from Minsk ... so what? Minsk has worked and works like that. Yes, people in masks-entrance / exit to any institution are equipped with disinfection devices; We try to keep a distance, i.e. we follow the recommendations of the Ministry of Health. And believe me, there is NO PANIC.
    April 24th we have a clean-up day ...
  • CSKA
    CSKA April 20 2020 16: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: Sfurei
    If you have an economic or medical or political science education, then make a normal article with calculations and reflections.

    That's it. A set of letters without analysis. All the doctors say one thing, and the author is trying to give us pearls without numbers about anything, from his conclusions it is not clear what are based on.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 21 2020 11: 27 New
      -3
      Quote: CSKA
      All doctors say one thing, but the author tries to give us pearls without numbers nothing, from his conclusions it is not clear what is based on.

      This one is interesting:
      After all, it is obvious to any sane person that there is no epidemiological catastrophe! On April 16, 2020, 2 million patients in the world and over 138 thousand died.


      And it doesn’t reach the author that such small numbers are the RESULT of unprecedented quarantine measures and it’s even scary to imagine what would happen without them ....
      1. CSKA
        CSKA April 21 2020 13: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        And it doesn’t reach the author that such small numbers are the RESULT of unprecedented quarantine measures and it’s even scary to imagine what would happen without them ....

        That's it. And according to the author, 138 thousand dead are such a trifle. Thanks to our measures, we have 0,8% mortality among those infected, and in Belgium, for example, 15%.
  • Digital error
    Digital error April 20 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Sfurei
    Do you even check what the authors put on the pages of BO ??

    Of course check, tested on yourself :)
    Статья опубликована в разделе "Мнения" - можете с ним не согласиться.
    1. Sfurei
      Sfurei April 20 2020 17: 23 New
      +3
      No one is against expressing opinions. But I would like to see OPINION on the pages of the site, and not gossip from the chat of plumbers' fitters in WhatsApp or discussions at the kitchen table after a bottle of vodka. Let it be supported by arguments and conclusions and become interesting to everyone ... And I myself can throw so much from a hangover as a set of such words and sayings ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 20 2020 17: 32 New
    +2
    Stop writing what you don't understand.
    Stand in front of the mirror and tell yourself.
    In the US, more than 40 thousand deaths in 1,5 months and the pace is only growing. More than 160 thousand dead in the world
    You seem to believe in numbers and write right there
    probably all over the world if there is an opportunity (for example, in India) to underestimate losses.
    Do you criticize the author, but what have you written yourself?
    1. Sfurei
      Sfurei April 20 2020 19: 48 New
      +2
      Dear, I wrote exactly what I would like to get from the author:
      1. Cited official statistics,
      2. I concluded that it was insufficient due to the understatement or impossibility of fixing exactly these data (slums of India, Brazil's favelas, homeless USA, etc., etc.).
      This is called an opinion.

      А то что написал автор - это домыслы и бред: "...Ведь любому здравомыслящему человеку очевидно, что эпидемиологической катастрофы нет!... "
      Those. ALL GOVERNMENTS and THE BEST REPRESENTATIVES OF THE WORLD (who had never before had the same opinion on any of the problems voiced) RECOGNIZED the situation as a global catastrophe, and the author is one of the few sane people !!! Did he outbid himself ???
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 20 2020 20: 02 New
        -1
        there is no epidemiological disaster! ..
        I agree here. And there is no pandemic, it’s enough to take statistics on past flu. But the country is self-arrested, and this is not good.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2020 20: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          And there is no pandemic, it’s enough to take statistics on past flu.

          "Гардамир", вы б хоть почитали что-нить, чем корововирус от прочих-бывших отличается... даю маячок: есть такой звёр R0... а потом уж лепили бы (а лучше - не лепили бы) тут, кхм, ерунду всякую negative

          Quote: Gardamir
          the country is self-arrested, and this is not good

          Италия долго не хотела "самоарестовываться", и теперь там... хорошо?

          Not only is illiterate, but also stubborn ... it's me about the president of Italy, yes yes
        2. Sfurei
          Sfurei April 20 2020 20: 14 New
          +3
          Well, if you think so, then:
          1. Do not wear a mask, do not wash your hands, continue to meet friends with a large company, etc.
          2. Do not see a doctor if you or your relatives become ill. If you think that this virus is not more dangerous than seasonal influenza. Sit at home and wait for it to pass. Do not occupy the beds of people more concerned about this epidemic.
          3. And move to a country where there is no self-restoration: Sweden (more than 10% mortality), to Belarus (where the Old Man said to be treated with vodka).

          Well, in general, it’s a very correct indicator of checking your rationality, when EVERYTHING around says that: a house is burning / a ship is sinking / it smells of gas, and you say that it’s: a chicken burned / this is a spray of waves / the smell of violets ... It's nice to consider yourself a genius but reality usually puts everything in its place !!
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir April 20 2020 21: 50 New
            -1
            reality usually puts everything in its place !!
            You are right, the reality is that the choice is small, to die from a virus or to survive, and the second to die from hunger, because the state, as always, has nothing to do with it, we ourselves locked ourselves up.
            A virus carrier needs a mask so as not to infect healthy people, I have been washing my hands since Soviet times, movement is life, you don’t need a crowd to walk in the park. and for the elderly, self-restraint in movement is bad for health ...
  • savage1976
    savage1976 April 21 2020 02: 38 New
    +1
    Why should the author think about this, why should the VO administration verify this? These are all elements of democracy and freedom. But neither one nor the other does not care that 650000 people die every year without flu and without quarantines and self-isolation, from cove for 3 months 160000x4 = 640000, that's only in quarantine and self-isolation. In fact, mortality today in the world from covid is 25% of the number of cured. There is something to think about. And these socialists dreaming only of the possibility of rebelling on both human lives and the people, the main process of the revolution is permanent and infinite.
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 April 20 2020 15: 39 New
    +2
    И "ножек Буша" уже, не будет.... yes
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 21: 56 New
      +3
      And in America they themselves will devour.
  • gridasov
    gridasov April 20 2020 15: 45 New
    -2
    do not confuse the political crisis with the crisis of the elites. Generations of these elites are changing. The previous crisis was veiled by perestroika. I wonder what definition will be the real one.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 16: 41 New
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      do not confuse the political crisis with the crisis of the elites

      Right. Politically, there is nothing to offer for a long time, and the crisis has just broken out :)
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd April 20 2020 15: 50 New
    11
    Солидарен с автором. Наконец то кто то не испугался и обозначил реальную ситуацию. Европа то же проснулась и открыто говорит о фальсификации пандемии в интересах фармкорпораций. Принудительная медицина в купе с чипизациец, это бизнес модель проталкиваемая Билл Гейтсом, Клинтон и рядом других семей диктующих свою волю правительства. Не факт, что у нас лоббируется тот же сценарий, очень хочется думать, что причины другие, но факт, что нарушается конституция, причём на местах тупо исполняют указания из кремля, которые не могут иметь юридической силы без введения чс/чп. То что происходит очень похоже на антиконституционный переворот. Неважно под каким соусом нарушается конституция. Вопли не грамотных "жертв короновируса" про защиту не могут иметь значения, так как в этом случае власть вообще находится вне правового поля. Где режим чс? Где реальные меры по борьбе с биологической угрозой? Открытые магазины, метро и церкви (мечети) ни как не являются мерами от вируса. Используемый метод для тестирования не является объективным и забракован ещё в 2005г. Проще говоря погоду показывает. Врачи во ВСЕМ мире занимаются фальсификации ставя диагноз кв на Все легочные инфекции, а зачастую на несвязанные даже с этим. Фальсификации отмечают во всех странах, в САШ, где как ни странно президент пытается бороться по крайней мере с принудительно вакцинациией.
    Voice of Germany (in Russian) https://youtu.be/z1blpjk2gQg
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 16: 39 New
      0
      Quote: avdkrd
      in the interests of pharmaceutical corporations

      Ohhh ... There are not just a lot of interested people :)
      Обратите внимание на "антикризисное" законотворчество.
      Скорее, "не только лишь все" (тм) хотели бы поймать рыбку в мутной воде...
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 44 New
      +5
      I agree with the author. Finally, someone was not afraid and outlined the real situation.

      So this, he denotes it in every article ... lol
  • Digital error
    Digital error April 20 2020 15: 50 New
    +3
    sovereignty collapses under the influence of a global panic escalated by the media and supranational organizations like the IMF and WHO

    1. А был ли он (реальный суверенитет) с 1991 г.? 2. Не иначе МВФ и ВОЗ в "связке" работают?
    possible coming to power of pro-Western liberals of the 90s

    Именно они и у власти. Короля делает свита. Откровения Пескова напомнить про "абсолютного либерала по своей натуре, и гораздо большего либерала, нежели назывные либералы, которые именуют себя "оппозицией""? Была Россия, есть и будет. С ними ли, без них ли.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 20 2020 15: 51 New
    0
    3-5 years ago, the Lord of the Sith was relevant. Yes, and now relevant. Shells under fire.
    А сейчас на ВО лучше предоставить "зону вне критики" Сильвестру. Это надёжней, чем "конспирологический слёт".
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov April 20 2020 15: 53 New
    +3
    Самсонов глядит в будущее. И он прав.Либеральная власть не справляется. Вместо того, чтобы реально бросить все ресурсы на улучшение медицинской помощи населению и реальными деньгами! каждому человеку - они нагнетают истерию и психоз. Людям не делают плановых оперций, хронические больные не получают помощи и загибаются у себя дома. Народа вымрет больше, так вовремя не диагностируются и не лечатся другие тяжелые заболевания. Это просто диверсия власти против народа. Поэтому в народе растет озлобление - и виновата в этом порочная вертикаль , выстроенная "великим кормчим" за 20 лет
    1. Digital error
      Digital error April 20 2020 16: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      It’s just a diversion of power against the people

      Я бы не стал так утверждать, скорее они просто делают то, что умеют - не пущают и запрещают. Кадровая "селекция" иного вряд ли допустит...
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 20 2020 18: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
      Самсонов глядит в будущее. И он прав.Либеральная власть не справляется. Вместо того, чтобы реально бросить все ресурсы на улучшение медицинской помощи населению и реальными деньгами! каждому человеку - они нагнетают истерию и психоз. Людям не делают плановых оперций, хронические больные не получают помощи и загибаются у себя дома. Народа вымрет больше, так вовремя не диагностируются и не лечатся другие тяжелые заболевания. Это просто диверсия власти против народа. Поэтому в народе растет озлобление - и виновата в этом порочная вертикаль , выстроенная "великим кормчим" за 20 лет

      But is it really different in other countries?
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 20 2020 20: 49 New
      0
      Абсолютно верно. Вот смотрите, что делается, без особой шумихи в СМИ, под шумок "борьбы с короновирусом:
      Во время пандемии коронавируса Госдума РФ практически незаметно 17 апреля приняла во втором чтении правительственный законопроект "О едином федеральном информационном регистре, содержащем сведения о населении РФ", включающий в себя всю полную информацию о каждом гражданине страны - от рождения до смерти.

      Этот проект со звучной аббревиатурой ЕФИР будет содержать все данные на каждого человека, собранные из всех информационных систем России. Пока в этот, по словам авторов, "золотой идеальный профиль" войдут около 30 видов сведений о человеке: ФИО, дата и место рождения и смерти, пол, реквизиты записи акта гражданского состояния о рождении и смерти, СНИЛС, ИНН, семейное положение, все данные о физическом лице, об образовании, о всех местах его работы, сведения о постановке на учет в налоговом органе, в том числе в качестве налогоплательщика налога на профессиональный доход, сведения о регистрации в качестве ИП, о постановке на воинский учет, регистрация в системах ОМС, соцстраха и пенсионной системе, документы об образовании/учебе, квалификации, о присуждении, лишении, восстановлении ученой степени/звания, сведения о всех родственных связях и т.д
      The single register may enter into force on January 1, 2022. The Federal Tax Service (FTS) will become its holder, but information about citizens' solvency, income and tax revenues will not get into it, the agency assured. From the day of the official publication of the law and until December 31, 2025, a transitional period is established during which the features of creating and maintaining a register of the population, the formation and use of the information contained in it will be worked out.

      The explanatory note to the project says that its implementation will improve the quality of public administration, reduce the time for the provision of public services, increase the effectiveness of the fight against fraud in terms of obtaining social support measures and paying taxes, fees and other mandatory payments. Every citizen will have access to information about themselves in the register, therefore, after the law enters into force, citizens will not need to fill out information about themselves every time they receive public services, and the authorities’s work in forecasting the socio-economic development of the country and regions, targeted support will be easier and more precisely.

      Как заявил на пленарном заседании Госдумы глава комитета по информполитике, депутат Александр Хинштейн, эта инициатива является "первым шагом к цифровизации" российского общества. "В условиях коронавирусной инфекции очевидно, что нам такого закона не хватает", - сказал Хинштейн.

      Замруководителя ФНС Виталий Колесников также сослался на ситуацию с коронавирусом, отметив, что "жизнь сегодня показала, особенно последние месяцы (на фоне введения ограничений в связи с коронавирусом), что у нас нет нормального объективно счетного понятия семьи, домохозяйства. Соответственно, мы не понимаем, какой среднедушевой доход семьи, как оказывать адресные меры социальной поддержки, чем мы сейчас пытаемся заниматься. И собственно, как это оценивать, не забирая какие-либо данные у человека, у членов его семьи".

      С октября 2018 года все записи актов гражданского состояния уже совершаются в едином "облаке" в центрах обработки данных ФНС, которая стала оператором единого реестра. "Вот эти 8 млн записей и еще 540 млн (мы конвертируем все актовые записи, которые сохранились на территории РФ с 1926 года - эту работу мы заканчиваем к концу года), вот этот реестр ЗАГС наряду со сведениями МВД России станут основой единого реестра населения, в котором будет рождаться так называемый "золотой профиль" по данным этих двух ведомств, который будет включать в себя основные идентификаторы личности, включая паспорт, место рождения и так далее..., и идентификаторы других информационных систем. Это ни в коем случае не дублирование, а это приведение всех систем к одному знаменателю. Соответственно, реестр населения будет рождать так называемый "золотой идеальный профиль", который будет обогащаться сведениями 12 остальных поставщиков. Примерно 30 видов сведений, которые они будут давать", - сообщил замглавы ФНС Колесников на заседании комитета Госдумы, где рассматривался соответствующий проект закона.

      По оценке одной из крупнейших аудиторских компаний мира KPMG, основная цель создания регистра заключается в более точном определении групп лиц, которым нужна адресная помощь государства. В фискальных целях эту базу данных можно будет использовать, если указать в ней имущество, которым владеет человек, его накопления и активы в российских и зарубежных банках и нефинансовых организациях (остатки на счетах, стоимость портфелей ценных бумаг, страховки и т. п.), а также расходы - как минимум по тратам через банковские счета и снятие наличных, пишет "Коммерсант". Таким образом, можно будет сопоставить официально декларируемую доходную часть и расходы, а в случае существенного расхождения и отсутствия достаточных доходов других членов семьи и близких родственников задать вопросы об источнике доходов.

      Напомним, идея цифровизации общества в последнее время обсуждается постоянно - у нее становится все больше как сторонников, заявляющих, что это поможет контролировать ситуацию во время глобальных катаклизмов, подобных нынешнему, так и противников, отмечающих, что население в конце-концов попадет в "цифровой концлагерь".

      Бывший депутат Госдумы, экс-первая ракетка мира Марат Сафин даже напрямую связал охватившую планету вспышку пандемии коронавируса с заговором теневого мирового правительства с целью чипирования людей через вакцину. Сафин, будучи общественным советником по вопросам спорта председателя Госдумы VII созыва Вячеслава Володина, заявил, что "с вирусом все не так, как рассказывается, но народ же верит во все, в страшилки по телевизору". "Просто скоро будем ходить с чипом. Весь мир же посадили домой, так что все работает", - добавил он.

      "Есть ребята покруче мировых лидеров, которые реально хозяева денег, хозяева мира, и они это могут легко провернуть. Можно называть это теневым правительством, можно как угодно. Я думаю, мы даже не догадываемся, что они существуют. Ротшильды и Рокфеллеры - это раскрученные имена, а за ними еще кто-то стоит", - подчеркнул Сафин. "Я думаю, что людей готовят к чипизации. Билл Гейтс еще в 2015 году рассказал, что у нас будет пандемия, следующий враг - вирус, а не ядерная война. Они провели симуляцию на Давосском форуме, как все будет. Я не думаю, что Билл Гейтс такой предсказатель - он просто знал", - уверен Сафин.
      .

      https://www.newsru.com/russia/20apr2020/registr.html
      Go ahead at an accelerated pace towards a digital concentration camp!
  • Masha
    Masha April 20 2020 15: 58 New
    +4
    In short ...
    Everyone died ... crying
  • iouris
    iouris April 20 2020 16: 05 New
    +1
    Не понял, кто на ком стоял? Что такое "матрица"? Как её можно "перезагрузить". Кризис очевиден, пути выхода из кризиса не очевидны. Система выглядит очень монолитной. Снаружи.
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU April 20 2020 16: 06 New
    0
    After all, it is obvious to any sane person that there is no epidemiological disaster

    and before that there was porridge, and after that I didn’t even continue to read ...
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth April 20 2020 16: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Masha
    Quote: vvvjak
    Although the example of sanity at hand is Belarus, the “father” of Lukashenko.

    Эта фраза меня особенно "порадовала".

    Or amused? recourse

    Chickens (sick) in the fall count.
    If But father has taken the right strategy, there will be another term for the president. But if worse than the Russian Federation will be, then he will remember this experiment.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 20 2020 16: 20 New
      +5
      К сожалению ,постсоветский период на территории бывшего СССР -это всегда выбор между плохим -и очень плохим . Каким бы плохим ни был Лукашенко ,но тот ,кто будет после него -будет еще хуже . И недаром пропаганда путинских "глашатаев "-это "а при Ельцине было еще хуже ,а на Украине еще хуже ,чем в России ".
      1. Digital error
        Digital error April 20 2020 16: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: tatra
        And not without reason propaganda

        Не в этом дело. Просто не умеют они по другому или не хотят. Иначе за итог "указов" 2012 года кто-нибудь бы ответил. Всё было ясно уже тогда. Пугать, что будет хуже - гораздо проще, чем сделать лучше. К тому же это бесплатно.
      2. Sergey49
        Sergey49 April 22 2020 13: 59 New
        -1
        In the republics where there was no lustration and de-communization, it is foolish to expect good things - the entire leadership is former communists and Komsomol members.
        1. tatra
          tatra April 22 2020 14: 01 New
          -1
          30-летняя идеология врагов коммунистов после захвата России "а мы ни при чем ,это всё коммунисты виноваты ","а мы ни при чем ,это и в СССР было ,до сих пор расхлебываем ". Вы "при чем " только к тому ,что вы ПОИМЕЛИ после захвата вами России .
          1. Sergey49
            Sergey49 April 22 2020 16: 48 New
            0
            All is in power. We both vegetate and we live in poverty. Unless there is no need to run for food and shortages and crowd in turns. Yes, to go abroad does not require permission from the experts on Marxism-Leninism. In general, people benefited from the collapse of your concentration camp, only you consumers of special rations and government grants want to return the rotten system.
            1. tatra
              tatra April 22 2020 16: 55 New
              0
              Враги СССР и советского народа после захвата и расчленения ими СССР на их злобные антисоветско-русофобские "независимости ",в которых они уничтожают не только советское ,но и русское , ни только ничего полезного не сделали для своей страны и народа за те большие и огромные ,по сравнению с народом ,зарплаты и доходы ,что они поимели ,но и доказали ,что никогда и не собирались брать на себя ответственность за страну и народ ,никогда и не собирались ничего полезного сделать для страны и народа .
              И если на территории СССР все 100 лет после Октябрьской революции существует общность людей по убеждениям -настощие коммунисты , которые никогда не предавали свою партию ,СССР и советский народ ,и их сторонники ,то их враги ненавидят и предают друг друга ,и постоянно подкидывают друг друга коммунистам и их сторонникам ,начиная со своего "Освободителя " Горбачева .
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow April 20 2020 16: 21 New
    +6
    Sheer crap !!! Apparently the virus hit the author!
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 April 20 2020 16: 24 New
    +5
    rather, we see the development of not an epidemic, but mass psychosis.

    Несколько дней назад на одном из сайтов(где все плачут :) ) .были представленны данные по количеству умерших за 2019 год,с разбивкой по месяцам,и данные за первые три месяца 2020 года в Испании,Италии и Германии. причем с их (из этих стран) ресурсов. Ну,те страны,прокоторые,особенно первые две ,все слышали из наших неполживых СМИ,что там десятками тысяч умирают от "короны".
    So, the difference in the number of deaths in January / February / March 2019 and in 2020 is not more than the statistical error - less than 1%.
  • kriten
    kriten April 20 2020 16: 26 New
    +2
    Power, if it destroys the Russian economy, is again profitable for it. He writes everything down to the virus and you can refuse promises to the people - the crisis has eaten up the grandmother, well, and someone else ...
  • seacap
    seacap April 20 2020 16: 27 New
    +5
    This, of course, is solely my opinion of the average layman, but it seems to me that our leading estate, more like a colonial or occupation administration, constituting (representing) as a state, in essence and its activity is hostile to basic human interests. All behavior, decision-making is based on the algorithm of the occupation regime, Ausweis, policemen behaving cynically, uncompromisingly and harshly, decrees with prohibitive fines and imprisonment, it’s good not to be shot on the spot, instead of real help, explanations and real work with the population. This is not just a crisis, these actions jeopardize our very existence, they are hostile, and there is no need to wait for a miracle, it will not.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 20 2020 16: 42 New
    -1
    I went to the store today, just for fun I looked, buckwheat - 135 rubles. ha 1 kg., up to - 30 rubles., lemons - 590 rubles., up to - 130 rubles., ginger - 1800 rubles., others - 350 rubles. The pharmacy has no masks, antiseptics, paracetamol ....
    Well, our government cannot affect the dollar, the price of oil, the coronovirus and other global circumstances, but on its own ...
    What happened that individual product positions went up 5 times? Why there are no antiseptics. And the production of penny paracetamol is not more complicated than the production of penny analgin.
    Analgin in the pharmacy is. There are complex problems, challenges that require serious solutions, challenges. The news says about 300 thousand tons of buckwheat in elevators. But in stores it is either not there, or it is many times more expensive. I'm not a fan of buckwheat and lemons, but can our rulers solve this issue?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 20 2020 16: 45 New
      +8
      Quote: Doccor18
      I went to the store today, just for fun I looked

      1. City
      2. Name of the store

      Or you, my friend, a talker.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 49 New
        +6
        Роман, за лимоны могу подтвердить и имбирь, сеть магазинов "Агрокомплекс" (А.Н. Ткачева в Краснодарском крае). И ВСЁ. За эти две позиции правда. Но, что интересно, свинина подешевела (домашняя причем) процентов на 15, курятина тоже. За лимоны и имбирь - тут еще на цену откладывается сложности в логистике из-за бугра. Ну и увеличенный ажиотажный спрос.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 20 2020 19: 12 New
        -1
        Magnet in the Nizhny Novgorod region.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Doccor18
          buckwheat - 135 rubles ha 1 kg., up to - 30 rubles

          Good, I understood about lemons. I myself buy rarely and individually, and therefore - not an expert even once. Ginger didn’t bother me at all ... but this -

          Quote: Doccor18
          buckwheat - 135 rubles ha 1 kg., up to - 30 rubles.,

          - this is lawlessness. I have Attack near me, buckwheat - something in the region of a fifty dollars per kg. (something like - because I'm also not very interested).

          И, да - а что такое "до - 30 руб"?
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 20 2020 19: 21 New
            -1
            Before this artificial excitement, there were 30 rubles each.
            And chatting, as you put it,
            so it’s from the TV ... chatting.
            What's the point? In easy to check.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: Doccor18
              A chat, as you put it

              My apologies hi

              It’s just very different from what I see myself.
              1. NN52
                NN52 April 20 2020 23: 15 New
                +4
                Golovan Jack (Roman)
                Roma, tomorrow I’ll go to Magnet and say whether a person is lying or not, about buckwheat.
                About the antiseptic and paracetomol lying, about the mask does not lie. (let Novgorod go into any pharmacy on Komintern St. Mr. N. and buy a WAGON of paracetamol.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny April 21 2020 10: 37 New
                  +1
                  Dima, in our village at the pharmacy yesterday - Masks and antiseptics - eat ... the fifth point I want! The delivery went, it is obvious that the plants began to work. Moreover, masks in a roll, one roll of 100 rubles, in a roll of 50 pieces, pharmacists offer themselves, so that people know. Antiseptics are also different and in containers of different volumes.
              2. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny April 21 2020 10: 39 New
                +1
                У нас в "Магнит" гречка 49 рубликов, также ешь хоть пятой точкой.
                1. NN52
                  NN52 April 21 2020 19: 49 New
                  0
                  Photo below. Look ..
              3. NN52
                NN52 April 21 2020 19: 46 New
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                Golovan Jack (Roman)
                Here is today's photo from Pyaterochka. Address Nizhny Novgorod, Bazarnaya St. d8 (center Sormovo)

                The forum member is lying ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 21 2020 19: 47 New
                  -3
                  Quote: NN52
                  The forum member is lying ...

                  Well, God judge him request
      3. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 20 2020 19: 24 New
        -1
        Do not you believe about masks, antiseptics and paracetamol?
        As if living in different countries, honestly.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 26 New
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          Quote: Doccor18
          Do not you believe about masks, antiseptics and paracetamol?

          Mytishchi - Korolev - Jubilee. Everything, except paracetamol, is definitely there, I bought it today. Paracetamol stocked up two weeks ago, specifically check - I will not run. Well, nafig, to catch cow viruses laughing
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 20 2020 19: 36 New
            -2
            I am very happy, without sarcasm, for you.
            We don’t have it yet, I want to believe that they will appear soon ...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Doccor18
              We don’t have it yet, I want to believe that they will appear soon ...

              A couple of weeks ago, and we did not have. IMHO, will appear hi
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 20 2020 16: 57 New
      +6
      Санкт -Петербург. Греча , бюджетный магазин "Семишагофф" 44 руб за кило. Вчера.
  • pavelpavel
    pavelpavel April 20 2020 16: 44 New
    0
    Кризис затеян на радикализацию "мирового правительства". Правительство вынуждено противодействовать, что бы остаться у власти.
  • Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 April 20 2020 17: 06 New
    -2
    Full of idiots like Kasparov and so on. Hence, there are so many minuses to a sound comment. I will support Venda (Anatolia). Correctly. Not rested ball. They are here - a whole kennel.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 50 New
      +6
      Not rested ball. They are here - a whole kennel.

      good
  • dgonni
    dgonni April 20 2020 17: 08 New
    +5
    Samsonov! Stop rewriting el murid (Nesmyan). Well, you can’t even rewrite analytics.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: dgonni
      Samsonov! Stop rewriting el murid (Nesmyan). Well, you can’t even rewrite analytics.

      If Nesmyan is analytics, then I am a telephone box.

      By the way, I fully agree good
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 20 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    Hmm ... the word happiness in the current situation, you cannot add four letters ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 17: 54 New
      +2
      Let’s go - they didn’t go through this.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth April 20 2020 17: 12 New
    +1
    Antiglobalists will either raise their heads or chop off their hands, if it gets worse.
  • Starter52
    Starter52 April 20 2020 17: 25 New
    +2
    Author. Everyone has long been under an electronic cap. Whoever took a loan at least once. For example, I don’t see a crisis at all. The crisis is in your head. How do we do airplanes? We just dispersed the house out of control. And a miracle happened at the factory. Plan as did it and do it. But not 850 people go to work, but 100. Workers. So the salary was raised. And in general, the weather is excellent. Gasoline fell 2.50. For me, let this crisis last forever.
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 20 2020 17: 26 New
    +4
    I read, I can’t believe my eyes! The incredible is becoming apparent?
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 20 2020 17: 51 New
      +1
      I read, I can’t believe my eyes! The incredible is becoming apparent?

      Are you for Samsonov? Have you not read it before? For Russia-Tartaria also believed?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 20 2020 17: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Are you for Samsonov?

        I don’t read the authors, the content is more interesting
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 19 New
          +4
          I read, I can’t believe my eyes! The incredible is becoming apparent?

          What are your words? You want to say that you have not read or commented on Samsonov’s articles? Sylvester, do not dissemble.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 20 2020 18: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Okolotochny
            Sylvester, do not dissemble.

            I tell you again, I don’t even read the authors. What does it matter? And who is Samsonov? Why is there such a stir around him?
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 30 New
              +3
              Why is there such a stir around him?

              Абсолютно правильный вопрос. А вот и спросите об этом своих "однопартийцев" - Сварога, Стаса и др. Читаешь название статьи и представляешь чьи комменты будут в мейнстриме. Доходишь до комментов и ...бинго, 100 процентная точность, все те же на манеже. Хотя, этот автор пишет об этом ПОСТОЯННО. laughing
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 20 2020 18: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Okolotochny
                А вот и спросите об этом своих "однопартийцев" - Сварога, Стаса и др.

                I have my own party - this is me and what I see with my own eyes.
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Although, this author writes about it constantly

                I may not focus on the authors, but you must agree, the following:
                - pension reform
                -% on deposits
                - talk about freezing deposits
                - course depreciation
                - falling oil prices
                testify to the successful economic course of power?
                For 20 years she, the authorities, raped medicine, and now the remnants of medicine are suffocating. save people. Just do not tell me about the perfect of our medicine, nonsense, which says some gentleman by the fireplace
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny April 20 2020 18: 42 New
                  +5
                  Sylvester, I'm not saying that our power is the fairest in the world. It is not in any state formation, it is utopia. I appreciate what I have. Compare what I had. For some of your indicators - I already wrote here that now EVERYTHING is lost, ABSOLUTELY, all over the world, those who are less, who are more, China will lose 7 percent of GDP (according to optimistic forecasts). We do not live according to Juche theory, right? Essentially, these processes affect us too. And it’s good that we now manage with money and fewer deaths than others. I feel sorry for people, very sorry, every morning I open the Internet and read as reports from the fronts. Did you mention Italy yourself? Well, that’s not how it is.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day April 20 2020 18: 49 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    . It is not in any state formation, it is utopia.

                    agree
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    And it’s good that we now manage with money and fewer deaths than others.

                    I don’t mind!
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    Did you mention Italy yourself? Well, that’s not how it is.

                    the difference between us and Italy is that they don’t lie there like ours.
                    "Случаев заражения врачей и медперсонала коронавирусом от пациентов с положительным диагнозом в России нет. Об этом сообщил в субботу журналистам министр здравоохранения РФ Михаил Мурашко.
                    You see, sick doctors, whom I know are, but the minister does not have them. And these are occupational diseases. Who guarantees that Covid does not leave consequences in the future? And the complications after Covid medication treatment! Very serious complications! And if the death of a medic? Who will pay for it?
                    Read: all hospitals are infected along with doctors and patients! And why? - because even those laws and orders the authorities (city, regional) do not want to execute. These situations are due to the negligence of administrations.
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 20 2020 19: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              And who is Samsonov? Why is there such a stir around him?

              An alarmist is cleaner than you, doctor wink
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    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 20 2020 18: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Oleg1
      Статья вранье на вранье, автору должно быть стыдно за "произведение" но откуда у таких как он стыд....

      Are the harbingers of the crisis not noticeable? Pension reform,% on deposits, talk about blocking deposits, falling oil prices - what is this?
      1. depressant
        depressant April 20 2020 19: 33 New
        0
        Sylvester, the harbingers of the crisis is that no matter what the authorities are undertaking, nothing really comes out of it. Self-isolation fails: the authorities did not know that the people were poor and not materially ready for it. And now, not only in Vladikavkaz, the rally was against, but also a very original rally in Rostov-on-Don - a network. I believe the number of rallies against self-isolation will increase. In our village, we completely ignore the epidemic, and therefore the instructions of the authorities.
        Further - the advertised help to the unemployed. Only those who work officially receive. And what will happen to those who worked informally? There are millions of them! The authorities did not know that we have such? Failure.
        Issuing interest-free mortgage loans due to bankers' resistance is a failure!
        Helping small businesses for the same reason is failure.
        Epidemic preparedness is zero due to optimized medicine.
        The initiative of the governors and mayors in carrying out self-isolation of the population - who is much worth it because of vague instructions, the lack of a legislative framework - is a failure.
        We can assume that the epidemic was first encountered, and therefore it turns out like this. But it can be considered differently, with the assumption that the authorities will cope with all subsequent political and economic challenges in the same way, that is, in no way. The inability of political power to cope with numerous challenges and the growing discontent of the people - these are the harbingers of the crisis.
        Похоже, власть надеется на русское "авось!" Авось кривая вывезет.
  • Shahno
    Shahno April 20 2020 17: 45 New
    +3
    // The global global financial system is collapsing. Oil system. Countries that felt very good in the conditions of this system, including the Russian Federation, are plunging into a tough crisis.
    And what collapses in this system?
    We got into a crisis, so everyone will participate ... What does the oil-dollar system have to do with it.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 21 2020 10: 43 New
      +1
      We got into a crisis, so everyone will participate ... What does the oil-dollar system have to do with it.

      Absolutely ... in the hole! All developing and developed countries are interconnected. And even more so, when the giants such as China and the USA are shaking - global manufacturers and consumers, then everyone will shake!
  • shinobi
    shinobi April 20 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    Автор попал пальцем в небо,ну или в другое место.Типичный представитель "всепропало",вовсёмвиноватПутин.Для введения ЧС и прочего,"пандемия короновируса" мелковато плавает даже в сравнении с сезонными ОРВИ.Повторяется,в информационном плане,история предшествинников.Свинного и птичьего грипа.Но там вирусы подобрали откровенно слабые.Этот поактивней будет.И тут я согласен с сторонниками теории заговора.Проводится операция мирового масштаба,цель/цели которой не очевидны.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 22: 07 New
      -1
      The ghosts of communism still walks in ruins in the heads of our leaders of the feast from the age of 91 - and so they write everything.
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 20 2020 18: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Oleg1
    Статья вранье на вранье, автору должно быть стыдно за "произведение" но откуда у таких как он стыд....

    Are the harbingers of the crisis not noticeable? Pension reform,% on deposits, talk about blocking deposits, falling oil prices - what is this?


    There were no pensions before the revolution, as we lived ... And yes, about the fall in oil prices in 2014, they were hysterical in the same way, we live nothing.
    PS when I found out how many hundreds of thousands of vacationers were taken from abroad, I immediately thought what Putin had brought Russia to .... ....

    And yes, the harbingers of the crisis, that’s not it; you can take them from Lenin’s thesis, but not one of them now.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 20 2020 18: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Oleg1
      you can take them from the theses of Lenin, but not one of them is now.

      poorly you read Lenin. I have no more questions
  • Oleg1
    Oleg1 April 20 2020 18: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Oleg1
    you can take them from the theses of Lenin, but not one of them is now.

    poorly you read Lenin. I have no more questions


    Я как раз читал его хорошо, а вот вы когда в числе признаков назревания Рев. ситуации перечисляете: "Пенсионная реформа, % на вклады, разговоры о блокировке вкладов, падение цены на нефть" - это полная чушь и неграмотность.
    But the fact that you have no more questions is good ....
    PS and where, in which article Lenin listed the signs of Roar. situations? Huh?
  • 2112vda
    2112vda April 20 2020 18: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: CSKA
    Democracy cannot be liberal or conservative

    You just need to know the true meaning of the word democracy. Democracy is the power of the estate called demos. Demos, in ancient Greece, was called wealthy citizens who were not related to the aristocracy. This category included wealthy landowners, owners of craft workshops and large merchants who had slaves. The common people were called okhlos. Slaves were considered talking cattle. The modern equivalent of the demos is our businessmen of different levels, with the exception of small traders, factory owners and our bureaucrats sitting in different thoughts. Thus, in Russia there is classical democracy, which our president actually and constantly talks about.
    Демократия либеральная или консервативная, это просто разновидности этой самой демократии. В общем, за что боролись на то и напоролись! На Руси демократии не было исторически. У нас было народовластие, правда не всегда и не везде. Демократия и народовластие не одно и то же. Это абсолютно разные формы правления. При демократии государство строится как республика с выборными и сменяемыми правителями. При народовластии существует Копное Право и народ выбирает себе монарха. Не нужно только путать с абсолютистской монархией. Для однородных народов предпочтительна демократическая форма правления. Для имперских народов, например как Россия, предпочтительна монархическая форма правления. Постоянные выборы за деньги не для России, имели уже одного "вечно пьяного".
    About the coronovirus. My friends work in the intensive care unit where the coronovirus ones are.
    They put on an adult diaper, are sealed in a jumpsuit and walk 6 hours like this.
  • pru-pavel
    pru-pavel April 20 2020 19: 13 New
    +1
    A new Great Depression has come. It must be remembered that in the first Great Depression, when the capitalist world writhed in agony, USSR-Russia flourished, we had an economic miracle.


    The famine in the USSR (1932-1933) is a mass famine that swept over the vast territories of the USSR (mainly steppe regions) that were part of the Ukrainian SSR, the Russian SFSR (including the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the regions of the Central Chernozem, the North Caucasus, the Urals, in 1932-1933) Volga, Southern Urals, Western Siberia) and the Byelorussian SSR [1] [2] [3].
    The famine covered an area of ​​about 1,5 million km² with a population of 65,9 million people.
    According to Russian scientists, the demographic losses in 1932–33 due to a decrease in the birth rate, exacerbation of diseases associated with hunger, deportations, and repressions amounted to 3.5 million people in Ukraine [36] [37], 1.3 million people in Kazakhstan, and the Volga region 0.4 million people, in the North Caucasus - 1 million people, in other regions - 1 million people [37]. In this case, direct losses from hunger amounted to (in the Volga region) approximately three quarters, with the number of direct victims of hunger at 365 people and indirect losses due to a drop in the birth rate in the same region by 722 people [115].

    We are thriving! they said.
    We can repeat it! they said.
  • bar
    bar April 20 2020 20: 12 New
    +5
    Why are regional authorities fighting the virus? Where is the sanitary-epidemiological service, the Ministry of Emergencies, and if the business is very bad, the armed forces? Where is the central authority?

    Mr. author, there is no need for tantrums, much less distortions. The Ministry of Health is fighting the virus with the support of all authorities, both central and regional. The regional authorities have only been delegated the authority to determine the degree of isolation based on the situation on the ground. And this is logical, because and the population, and the economy, and the degree of infection in different regions is different.
    As for the armed forces, for example, the Russian Guard is dispersing spontaneous rallies in North Ossetia, warmed by such alarmists like you.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy April 20 2020 20: 51 New
    -3
    А я писал что этого гейтса-надо "того" А трамп получается нормальный мужик Уверен вакцинка с чипом еще до вируса заготовлена была -такие вопросы с кандачка не решаются А кто не привьется чипом получаеться вне закона-типа рассадник инфекции и делай с ним что хошь но денюжки точно на карту перестанут переводить или на чип?-Сатанинская идея в апокалипсисе про это написано А еще и другие люди говорили про то -"И положат с одной стороны крест а с другой хлеб и скажут выбирайте!" Пока то ниче а вот через пол года наверное будет актуально для многих
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 22: 12 New
      +5
      On the fence the same thing is written and even the chips are there - take a good look at when you will pass by. And the author, by his article on infidelity, overwhelmed all the fences - as he demolished it with a bulldozer.
  • NordUral
    NordUral April 20 2020 20: 52 New
    -5
    Now the opposite is true. The Russian Federation is the periphery of the capitalist world. Energy Power Station. With the top, which is used to living within the framework of the oil-dollar system and otherwise does not know how and does not want. If Europe and the United States will be hurt during the crisis, then peripherals like the Middle East and the Russian Federation will die.

    We will have to return socialism, it is to us, the people, and not the corrupt and near top, or we will dissolve in History.
  • Linxs
    Linxs April 20 2020 20: 57 New
    +1
    WTI crude oil fell by 90%. The cost of a barrel is 0.9 $

    https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/CL1:COM

    Turn off the light?


    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 20 2020 22: 14 New
      +3
      Already paid off - the bet on the fall of WTI is closed. Let's see what happens tomorrow.
  • businessv
    businessv April 20 2020 22: 11 New
    -1
    Further, the pro-Western liberals of the 90s may come to power, an interim government of the Kudrins, Chubais, Sobyanins, and Kiriyenko. The scenario of the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR.
    Interestingly, now who is in power? Are the communists really? Something is wrong with the author's assessment of the current situation! The authorities now have just an untimely government of kudrins, chubais, sobyanins, kirienko .... For the rest, thanks for the article, plus! hi