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The Great Lenin: 150 years without the right to oblivion

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The Great Lenin: 150 years without the right to oblivion

In the homeland of Ilyich and in distant Yanan



Forgetful recall that April 22 will mark the 150th anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. In the Ulyanovsk region, unlike the whole of Russia, they plan to celebrate the anniversary of the man who really turned the whole world upside down. Broadly and informally, with the obligatory participation of foreign delegations, the main of which should be the Chinese. Unless, of course, coronavirus hysteria and everything connected with it do not interfere.

However, the case may ultimately be limited to just transfer to other terms. After all, the Victory Parade is already being rescheduled, and, as one might expect, at the request of veterans.

The governor of the traditionally "red" region Sergey Morozov managed to declare that

Chinese representatives will take part in the celebration of the 150th anniversary of the birth of Vladimir Lenin, which will be held in the Ulyanovsk region. An international forum of historians, philosophers and publicists dedicated to Lenin is scheduled to be held with the participation of representatives of the PRC.

In addition, the anniversary plans include a number of events, including

An exhibition project of the region about Lenin was prepared, which is planned to be exhibited from April 22 to December 2020 in various cities of the PRC.

But even in China itself, the authorities are also not going to limit themselves to on-duty meetings and meetings.

Solemn events will be held at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism and the Ideas of Mao Zedong, the Center for Translation into Foreign Languages ​​of the Works of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin, in the Museum stories CCP in Yanan, in the house-museum of the great helmsman Mao in the city of Shaoshan.

But everything planned is just a pale shadow of the project that the PRC leadership planned fifty years ago, on the 100th anniversary of the birth of Lenin. In anticipation of that anniversary, the PRC quite seriously expected that an alternative Leninist Communist Party would be created in the Soviet Union - of course, “pro-Chinese”, especially since in the Celestial Empire they considered themselves winners in border conflicts with their northern neighbor.

There were no real promises to this in the USSR. Competent authorities managed to control individual groups and potential leaders long before they became popular. The party nomenclature under Khrushchev and Brezhnev openly stuck, which helped not to think about degeneration and Marxism in the party and socialism in the country.

“Ideology, already debauched by the 1973th Congress of the CPSU, began to interfere with a relatively prosperous life,” - this is how the leader of the Greek Communist Party, Nikos Zahariadis, the hero of anti-fascist resistance in Greece and the prisoner Dachau, described the situation. Later, when the “black colonels” came to power in Greece, he was arrested in the USSR, and Zakhariadis committed suicide in Siberian Surgut in XNUMX. (see “The Acts of Nikita the Wonderworker. Part 3. Khrushchev and the “Non-Aligned”).


Nikos Zachariadis

Stalin underground and "parallel" CPSU


On the 100th anniversary of Lenin, the Chinese media regularly published articles calling for the re-establishment of a "truly communist party, the foundations of which were laid by Stalin, but were destroyed by degenerates with party cards." Examples of such a party were, of course, called the Communist Party of China and the Albanian Party of Labor. The abbreviation “Soviet Bolshevik Communists” (SKB) often flaunted as a signature.

It is characteristic that the first of these publications in Beijing was timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the October Revolution, and the company in the press dragged on until its 60th anniversary. The KGB at one time estimated the number of the "Maoist" underground in the USSR to be no more than 60 thousand people scattered across 50 cities of the Union, starting from Moscow, Leningrad and Gorky, and ending with the distant Sumgait and Chita.

The groups that were immediately called “Trotskyist-Maoist” included both “legal” members of the CPSU, non-partisan workers and engineers, as well as youth, who in some incomprehensible way imbued with the ideas of the notorious “Cultural Revolution” in the PRC (1966-1969 ) These were by no means the “thaw” children — almost all of them rejected the anti-Stalinist campaign in the USSR and the CPSU. These underground members were well aware that the "cultural revolution" in China was officially called the "continuation of the class struggle under the dictatorship of the proletariat based on the great teachings of Marx - Engels - Lenin - Stalin - Mao Zedong."

There was no longer an Iron Curtain, and many in the USSR heard the “appeal” of Marshal Lin Biao, then considered the successor to the great Mao:


“None of those who betrayed the October Revolution can escape the punishment of history. Khrushchev has long gone bankrupt. But the Brezhnev-Kosygin clique pursues a renegade policy with even greater zeal. The proletariat and working people of the USSR will never forget the covenants of the great Lenin and the great Stalin. They will certainly rise to the revolution under the banner of Leninism, overthrow the dominance of the reactionary revisionist clique and return the Soviet Union to the path of socialism. ”

For some time, the calculation of the Chinese Communists was based on the fact that the “parallel” CPSU would be created. In principle, there were some prerequisites in the USSR itself. But it is entirely possible to agree with N. Zakhariadis about the main reasons why such a party did not take place.

In the context of the political, and most importantly, economic rapprochement between China and the United States and the West as a whole, the revival of Stalinism in the USSR and, as a result, the restoration of the Soviet-Chinese union did not meet Western interests. The economic dependence of China on the West has grown since the mid-70s by leaps and bounds. In addition, starting from the Czechoslovak events of 1968, there was a rapprochement of the geopolitical interests of China and the West, and in almost all regions of the world.

Different coordinate system


It is clear that in such a coordinate system the "restalinization" of the USSR and Sino-Soviet relations inevitably transformed into a watch slogan. As early as November 1, 1977, an extensive publication by the Central Committee of the CPC in the Chinese party officialdom, People's Daily, dedicated to the 60th anniversary of the October Revolution, did not say a word in support of the creation of the Stalinist CPSU.

It seems that the silence was explained by the fact that, firstly,
Brezhnev group, discrediting the teachings and cause of Lenin-Stalin, strengthens its state machine and in every possible way strives to firmly attach the Soviet people to its chariot. The KGB became a sword hanging over the Soviet people and over many countries of the world.

Second, the
“Due to the betrayal of the ruling group of the Soviet Union, the widespread spread of the revisionist ideological movement and the split in the ranks of the working class, the revolutionary labor movement abroad cannot yet survive the period of reform.”

Therefore, there "there is still no revolutionary situation for a direct seizure of power."

Nevertheless, in the USSR, the Stalinist underground did not give up. For example, in 1964-1967 in Moscow and Gorky there was a group led by Guo Danqing, a citizen of China, and Gennady Ivanov, candidate of economic sciences. They distributed propaganda literature from China and Albania, also forming a document called “The manifesto of socialism: the program of the Revolutionary Socialist Party of the Soviet Union”.

Let us cite only one appeal from this program: "... to recreate a party of the Stalinist model", "to overthrow the party bureaucracy" and thereby prevent the final degeneration of socialism. "

In February 1967, all members of the group were repressed, although Guo Danqing was lucky: in 1969 he was sent to China. In March 1968 in Moscow, the workers V. and G. Sudakov created the Union for the Fight against Revisionism group, which already in 1969 neutralized the KGB.

On February 24, 1976, on the opening day of the XXV Congress of the CPSU, in Leningrad, on Nevsky Prospekt, four young men scattered and pasted over 100 leaflets of Stalin-Maoist content with a fair portion of criticism of "Soviet revisionism." They ended with an appeal: “Long live the new revolution! Long live communism! ”


Only in the fall of 1977, the special services managed to figure out the main participants in this speech: they were students of Leningrad universities Arkady Tsurkov, Alexander Skobov, Andrei Reznikov and a tenth grader Alexander Fomenkov. Back in 1974, they were co-organizers of the illegal Stalin-Maoist group "Leningrad School".

In 1977-1978, this "school" organized an illegal commune on the outskirts of the city of Lenin, where Mao's ideas were studied. By 1978, the Leningrad School established contacts with sympathetic groups from Moscow, Gorky, Riga, Kharkov, Tbilisi, Gori, Batumi, and Sumgait. In an attempt to organize an illegal youth conference to create a large association, the “Revolutionary Communist Youth Union,” members of the Leningrad School were repressed.

But on December 5, 1978, an unprecedented event took place in Leningrad. More than 1876 young men and women gathered at the Kazan Cathedral, where as early as 150 students organized the first mass demonstration in Russia against tsarism, who protested against the arrest of "Leningraders". In the early days of April 1979, during the trial on Arkady Tsurkov, according to the law - open, protests and anti-party slogans were also heard. Most of the participants in those pickets were expelled from universities and schools.

Communist impasse and dictatorship of the proletariat


On the eve of the 100th anniversary of Lenin at the plant named after Maslennikov’s office in Kuibyshev created the Work Center group with a somewhat blurred ideological platform, but clearly of a Marxist and pro-Chinese orientation. Its leaders were the worker Grigory Isaev and the experienced 35-year-old oil engineer Aleksey Razlatsky, who also created the "Party of the dictatorship of the proletariat." By 1975, the organization already numbered about 30 members.

In October 1976, the "Work Center" was able to distribute its "Manifesto of the Revolutionary Communist Movement":

The counterrevolutionary coup in the USSR shortly after Stalin took place in such an unexpected way that no one noticed it. The administration dictating now in the USSR manages to impersonate the Marxist-Leninist leadership, manages to fool the workers' head. The Soviet Union is declared a nation-wide state. But it is clear to the Marxists that as long as the victorious proletariat cannot do without a state at all, this state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat. ”

Further, Beijing’s position was briefly explained: “The events connected with the emergence of N. S. Khrushchev on the political arena made Mao Zedong think about the viability of a system capable of nominating such figures to senior leaders.” Therefore, the "Cultural Revolution" held in the PRC is a direct call for reprisal against the newly formed and degenerating bureaucracy, it is an attempt to demonstrate to the masses on cruel facts that it is it who is the master of the situation in the country, that it is omnipotent in its collective actions. "

Isaev and Razlatsky, of course, were recorded as dissidents, although their views were radically different. But the development of events in the USSR, which, after stagnation and perestroika, will confidently move towards disintegration, as a result did not allow Beijing to continue the policy of creating a parallel CPSU. Appeals to this by Beijing Radio and other Chinese media did not last long, were heard less and less, and with the death of Brezhnev in November 1982, they ceased altogether.

But for many years, huge portraits of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin adorned the legendary Tiananmen Square, surprising not only Josip Broz Tito and the representatives of the North Korean family Kim, but Richard Nixon with Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski and Margaret Thatcher, and even Bloody Dick Sese Seko.
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  1. Arlen
    Arlen April 22 2020 05: 15 New
    52
    Hello dear comrades, friends and associates!
    Today is a special day - 150 years ago, on April 22, 1870, an outstanding world-famous man was born, the main organizer and leader of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917, the first chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, the creator of the first in the world history of the socialist state of workers and peasants Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin )
    Lenin is an outstanding theoretician of communism and the leader of the world proletarian movement.
    Lenin is the founder of the Soviet state, the state whose main goal was to take care of the people.
    Remembering Lenin, the first thing we remember is his ideas in building the Soviet state. Lenin's ideas are fundamental. Lenin's contribution to the development of the Soviet, communist idea is so significant that science itself began to be called Leninism. Leninism is a science and a deep science, and its conclusions are absolutely convincing. Lenin must be studied and understood. It is necessary not only to recognize his genius, but also to master his methodology. The basis of Lenin's analysis and his work remains relevant always. In modern conditions, every day we have new proofs of the correctness of Lenin's position and his theory. Lenin discovered the law of the unevenness of the economic and political development of capitalism. This was the greatest theoretical discovery that enriched Marxism and propelled it forward. 
    On this significant day, it is worth recalling the successor of Lenin, the great statesman of the USSR, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
    It is deeply symbolic that the Leninist and Stalinist anniversary dates almost coincide. Stalin always insisted that he was a student of the cause of Lenin. Stalin said that the purpose of his life was to be a worthy student and continuer of Lenin’s cause. He repeated this idea repeatedly.
    The modern neo-bourgeoisie, realizing that it cannot defeat Lenin, is trying to "attach" Stalin to its own needs. Neo-bourgeoisie "molds" from a revolutionary creator a sovereign counter-revolutionary and a "red emperor". Attempts to tear Stalin away from Lenin, oppose them to each other are being undertaken deliberately and purposefully. The anti-Soviets are ready to recognize in Stalin a creator and sovereign in order to declare Lenin the destroyer and deny the socialist revolution its creative character.
    Dear friends! At the end of my commentary, I once again cordially congratulate you on the 150th anniversary of the Outstanding Person, our compatriot Vladimir Ilyich Lenin! I believe that the ideas of the Great Lenin will triumph again on the territory of our state and spread throughout the entire planet! Everything is in our power. It is only for us to decide where to go, to a capitalist impasse, where representatives of the liberal neo-capitalist oligarchy are leading us, or to the bright Soviet future! The main thing is to make the right choice, not to be mistaken and not to fall for the tricks and propaganda of all kinds of "new socialists" who are, in fact, ordinary supporters of the petty-bourgeois government.
    PS Virtual tour of the exhibition "Lenin in the First Person" http://leninmemorial.ru/lenin-ot-pervogo-litsa.html
    1. ninguem
      ninguem April 22 2020 05: 17 New
      49
      Happy birthday to grandfather Lenin!
      1. DMB 75
        DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 32 New
        32
        On the October holiday
        Grandfather neighbor
        Gave me a frame
        Lenin's portrait.

        I give this
        I really value
        And always with love
        I look at him.

        I have a conversation with him
        I am alone ...
        Lenin today
        Will smile at me.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus April 22 2020 13: 28 New
          13
          I'm back, Lenin!
          Ardent greetings to all adherents of the "prosperity of 1913" and today's "breakthroughs". You are tired of waiting for the "home" - there, "over the hill", in the camp of enemies, whom you serve in unison with your "master"! Sweets "Sudoplatovskie" from grateful people as a gift. All others - Happy Holidays, Comrades!
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 22 2020 18: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: lexus
            All the rest - Happy Holidays, Comrades!

            You, comrade, may I personally congratulate you on your release! good
            NO PASARAN!
      2. Private89
        Private89 April 22 2020 15: 54 New
        13
        Lenin will remain the sun for all the peoples of the world, and obscurantists will not have enough land on the planet to bury Lenin's ideas.
        1. Private89
          Private89 April 22 2020 16: 19 New
          12





          Workers of all countries unite!
          1. Private89
            Private89 April 22 2020 17: 59 New
            +9

            Live speech of Lenin - What is Soviet power!
    2. atalef
      atalef April 22 2020 05: 41 New
      -57
      Quote: Arlen
      Lenin is an outstanding theoretician of communism and the leader of the world proletarian movement.

      the most disastrous idea that did not lead a single country or more people to prosperity.
      Costing millions and millions of lives.
      Leader of the movement
      1. Arlen
        Arlen April 22 2020 07: 26 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Costing millions and millions of lives

        Yeah, we already heard these tales about hundreds of millions of dead, tortured ...
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina April 22 2020 08: 40 New
          28
          Arlen
          Yeah, we already heard these tales about hundreds of millions of dead, tortured ...
          And they just have nothing more to tell. It remains only to cry out from under the baseboard, because the achievements of their power are even less than zero. Moreover, they completely deny causal relationships. For them, Tsar Lenin overthrew, he unleashed a civil war, millions of those who died of starvation on his own conscience, although everything is exactly the opposite.
          THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE WEST SHOULD THAN GRANDFATHER LENIN FOR SOCIAL BENEFITS THAT APPEARED TO THEM THANKS TO THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION! Otherwise, they still would have had a 12-14 hour working day, lack of medicine and education for the poor. Everything was forgotten as in England, until the October Revolution, hard labor was used in mines.
          And such as "atalef" would not have been born at all if the USSR, led by Comrade Stalin, had not broken the back of the Nazi beast. His parents would simply be disposed of on soap, wigs and leather wallets. Saved on his own head, now he is here his "gratitude" and pours out in the form of slops.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 22 2020 08: 34 New
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        I greet the representative of the Israeli proletariat, suffering under the burden of the clique of the petty-bourgeois Zionist clique of the Ganza-Bibi! hi
        I do not agree with the thesis put forward by you, comrade ...
        1) All nishtyachki and buns received in the Western countries by the workers went from fear of the exploiters of the popularity of Soviet Russia among the workers of their countries. And Soviet Russia arose, as you know, as a result of the actions of Lenin - the October Revolution, thanks to which there is a beautiful social program in Eretz-Israel and other Europe / North America
        2) RI FIG would defeat the Nazis - the USSR broke their ridge, which saved millions of lives
        3) The idea is a failure for practitioners, but Lenin’s fault is no longer here
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb April 22 2020 08: 41 New
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          Happy holiday, comrades!

          Ilyich’s ideas are relevant now!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 08: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            Happy holiday, comrades!

            Ilyich’s ideas are relevant now!

            Happy Holidays!
            The construction of communism (which is socialism + electrification of the whole country) in a single country? Well I do not know ...
            1. Ilya-spb
              Ilya-spb April 22 2020 09: 23 New
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              It is a pity that you reduce the ideas of Vladimir Ilyich to the slogan.

              But I am forced to answer that after the "Chubais ruin" of the energy industry, no matter how it was necessary to re-electrify.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 09: 45 New
                +3
                Lenin's goal was to build communism in a single country.
                Trotsky - Throughout the World Through the World Revolution
                Stalin - building socialism in a single country
                Read Lenin's works - starting with The Development of Capitalism in Russia.
                But Chubais, Gaidar, and others - have nothing to do with the topic.
                1. Ilya-spb
                  Ilya-spb April 22 2020 09: 53 New
                  +8
                  You separate the essence from the particular. You have reduced the legacy of Vladimir Ilyich to a specific slogan.

                  In addition, Lenin’s goals were changing. Lenin was a genius of tactics, a genius of turning ideas.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 09: 56 New
                    +1
                    Yes, this is not a slogan, but a GOAL laughing
                    Can you give specifics? Turning ideas - what works of Lenin are you referring to?
                    1. Ilya-spb
                      Ilya-spb April 22 2020 10: 25 New
                      +4
                      The question is not specific. You refuse to admit that Vladimir Ilyich’s goals have changed in life. This is a natural process for the thinker. Lenin was not a dogma.

                      Or do you think that he woke up in a lesson in a gymnasium, and decided to build communism in the Russian Empire? This is not true.
                      Ilyich’s views changed.

                      Here is a concrete example for you: In 1917, Lenin wrote an article about the impossibility of a revolution in Russia in the next 30-50 years.

                      “We, old men, may not live to see the decisive battles of this coming revolution. But I can, I think, express with great confidence the hope that the youth who work so well in the socialist movement of Switzerland and the whole world that they will have the happiness not only to fight, but also to win the coming proletarian revolution. "


                      And then February 17th struck. And dared the monarchy.

                      What about the NEP? Is this not a departure from ideas? Not a maneuver?

                      Here is a popular link to a brief biography of Ilyich from his opponents.

                      https://ruskline.ru/history/2017/01/17/my_stariki_mozhet_byt_ne_dozhivem_do_reshayuwih_bitv_gryaduwej_revolyucii
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 22 2020 10: 29 New
                        +2
                        Yes, I know the biography of Lenin. All that he did - the usurpation of one of the factions of the RSDLP power, the NEP and so on, served one purpose - the building of communism in a single country))
                      2. Ilya-spb
                        Ilya-spb April 22 2020 13: 00 New
                        +4
                        And now, attention is the question:


                        Do you acknowledge the merits of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in creating the Soviet State and in improving the lives of Soviet people through generations?

                        Do you acknowledge that Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was an outstanding personality on a global scale?
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 07 New
                        +5
                        Naturally, I admit
                      4. Ilya-spb
                        Ilya-spb April 22 2020 13: 16 New
                        +4
                        So, here we have no disagreements.
      3. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr April 22 2020 15: 31 New
        +2
        "Building socialism in a single country" is rather Stalin's idea ...
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 22 2020 15: 51 New
          +3
          Wrote about it above
    3. Red Bogatyr
      Red Bogatyr April 22 2020 21: 25 New
      0
      HOLIDAY !!!!! especially for the Russian Federation !!!!!
  2. Revival
    Revival April 22 2020 20: 33 New
    0
    Each item to the point ..
    Just do not express in words how I agree with you now!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets April 22 2020 09: 03 New
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    Quote: atalef
    the most disastrous idea that did not lead a single country or more people to prosperity.
    Costing millions and millions of lives.
    Leader of the movement

    This vomit has been heard a hundred times, name the achievements of the current government over the past 30 years. The constant growth of billionaires does not count.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 22 2020 13: 11 New
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      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      What are the achievements of the current government over the past 30 years. The constant growth of billionaires does not count.

      What is nothing at all?
      1. Revival
        Revival April 22 2020 20: 35 New
        +1
        It immediately became clear that there was nothing to say to you !!
  • tatra
    tatra April 22 2020 09: 31 New
    +7
    Your most monstrous crime, enemies of Lenin, in front of our country and our people is that for all 100 years after the October Revolution, by what you have done, said and supporters, while never intending to take responsibility for the country and the people, never intending to do anything useful for the country and the people. And just take it away, and that's it, "and we don't owe this country and this people anything."
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 22 2020 09: 58 New
      +2
      Duc the top of the Bolshevik Communists and ruined the country, taking everything away from the people laughing The collapse of the Union and further privatization by whom was headed?
      1. tatra
        tatra April 22 2020 09: 58 New
        0
        And what is this stupidity?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 22 2020 10: 11 New
          +4
          What nonsense?
          Who ruined the country, huh? laughing
          1. tatra
            tatra April 22 2020 10: 19 New
            +2
            Our country twice during the Civil War, and during anti-Soviet Perestroika, Lenin’s enemies were divided into separate evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic States, and cowardly blamed the blame for this on Lenin and his supporters.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 22 2020 10: 34 New
              +3
              lol
              Party affiliation initiators restructuring? The consequence of whose policy was the need for restructuring?
              Party affiliation of the initiators of the collapse of the Union? )))
              1. tatra
                tatra April 22 2020 10: 39 New
                +4
                Lenin's enemies on the territory of the USSR lack the concept of betrayal. According to their cowardly "logic", if a member of the Communist Party, General Vlasov, went over to the side of the enemies of the Communists, then it is not he himself who is to blame for his betrayal, but the Communists, and it is not himself who is to blame for Snowden's betrayal, but the American enemies of the Communists.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar April 22 2020 12: 19 New
                  +4
                  Once again, without demagoguery - which party was led by the organizers of perestroika? The leadership of which party created a situation in the country requiring radical changes? The heads of the republican branches of which party decided on the collapse of the Union?
                  1. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 22 2020 12: 40 New
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                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Once again, without demagoguery - which party was led by the organizers of perestroika? The leadership of which party created a situation in the country requiring radical changes? The heads of the republican branches of which party decided on the collapse of the Union?

                    What the hell demagoguery ?! Lenin’s greatness lies in the fact that, foreseeing, he said that the party itself could destroy the party, he said that it was necessary to get rid of opportunists and bourgeois degenerates. Stalin cleaned the party precisely according to the precepts of Lenin, but as we see now he has not finished.
                    So read Lenin, there are answers to all your questions.
                  2. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 12: 51 New
                    -1
                    I read Lenin)). He was right - the Communist-Bolshevik Communist-Bolshevik party affiliation of bourgeois degenerates and opportunists fellow Well, the party would be destroyed - they brought down the country.
                    As for Stalin, his work "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR", in principle, was the beginning of a reassessment of Marxist economic theories, the adaptation of the laws of economics to the "new socialist reality", which resulted in the collapse of the USSR.
                  3. Jager
                    Jager April 22 2020 15: 29 New
                    +8
                    The "Bolsheviks" of the perestroika era had very little in common with the Bolsheviks of the October Revolution.
                  4. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 15: 49 New
                    +1
                    I agree - but this does not cancel the fact of the collapse of the USSR by the Communists.
                  5. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 22 2020 16: 23 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    I agree - but this does not cancel the fact of the collapse of the USSR by the Communists.

                    A gay person also looks like a normal person, he even speaks absolutely correct words, but in fact, in common people his name is "abnormal" laughing The same thing happens with the party, in the movie "Eternal Call" everything is clearly shown.
                    The so-called "repression" of Stalin was the actual purge of the party ranks, and in other words the class struggle, which, according to Lenin and Stalin, does not stop in the era of socialism. The real construction of communism in the USSR was prevented by the war, which decimated the generation of true Bolsheviks and the young generations of Builders Communism.
                  6. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 31 New
                    +5
                    The real constructions of communism in the USSR were hindered by human nature - ego and ambition)).
                  7. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 22 2020 16: 40 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    The real constructions of communism in the USSR were hindered by human nature - ego and ambition)).

                    You are mistaken, a person is not an animal, therefore education is the most important task.
                    "... enemies are different. There are class enemies who do not put up with
                    Soviet authorities and seek its overthrow at all costs. There are also
                    such class enemies who reconcile, one way or another, with Soviet power.
                    There are enemies who are trying to prepare the conditions for the overthrow of the dictatorship
                    proletariat. These are the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Cadets and others. But there are some
                    enemies who collaborate with Soviet power and fight against those
                    who stand on the point of view of the overthrow of Soviet power, hoping that
                    the dictatorship will gradually weaken, reborn and will go later
                    towards the interests of the new bourgeoisie. "
                    ("VII Extended Plenum of the ECCI" vol.9 p.70.)
                    The enemy understood the changed situation, understood the power and might of the new
                    building in the village and, realizing this, was rebuilt, changed his tactics, - went over
                    from a direct attack against collective farms to work as a silent glander. But we didn’t understand this,
                    We did not make out the new situation and continue to search for the class enemy where
                    he is already gone, we continue to conduct the old tactics of a simplified struggle with
                    kulaks, while she, this very tactic, has long been outdated.
                    They are looking for a class enemy outside collective farms, they are looking for him in the form of people with brutal
                    physiognomy, with huge teeth, with a thick neck, with a sawn-off shotgun in his hands. Are looking for
                    fist as we know him from the posters. But these fists have long been gone
                    surface. Current fists and elders, current anti-Soviet elements
                    in the village they are mostly "quiet", "sweet", almost "saints".
                    They do not need to be sought far from the collective farm; they sit on the collective farm itself and occupy
                    there are positions of storekeepers, supply managers, bookkeepers, secretaries, etc. They
                    they will never say, "Down with the collective farms." They are in favor of collective farms. But they lead to
                    collective farms such sabotage and wrecking work that collective farms from them
                    will not be good. "
                    ("On work in the village" PSS. V.13 p. 229.)
                    I.V. Stalin.
                  8. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 42 New
                    0
                    Comrade Dzhugashvili didn’t even suspect that the land needs one owner, a native of the city of Gori laughing
                  9. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 22 2020 18: 08 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Comrade Dzhugashvili didn’t even suspect that the land needs one owner, a native of the city of Gori

                    He knew EVERYTHING! good drinks
                    PySy Quotes I quoted in the context of the class struggle, and not the structure of rural settlements. yes
                  10. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 18: 09 New
                    +1
                    Yes, it is clear that he knew and understood everything - he just broadcast, as you correctly noted, in the context of the class struggle drinks
                  11. Malyuta
                    Malyuta April 22 2020 18: 26 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Yes it is clear

                    Then for friendship, mutual understanding and world peace! drinks
          2. bk316
            bk316 April 22 2020 18: 20 New
            +8
            Human nature prevented the real constructions of communism in the USSR

            Of course. That is why it was not the acquisition of knowledge that was put at the head of all types of education, but EDUCATION OF A NEW ESSENCE OF A SOVIET MAN. This task, the educational system failed miserably and brought up the Chubais of ebony and gref belay
            By the way, and GDP and squabble with Tatyana and Malyut. This suggests that she did not deal with her main task at all.
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 18: 47 New
            +5
            Malyuta is friendly and not intrusive, Svarog wants to solve the problems of Russia by returning to the USSR upgrade, and Tatyana is simply engaged in self-education, listening to the YouTube videos of the lamp of Dugin's philosophy laughing
          4. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 22 2020 19: 24 New
            +7
            Quote: bk316
            That is why it was not the acquisition of knowledge that was put at the head of all types of education, but EDUCATION OF A NEW ESSENCE OF A SOVIET MAN. This task, the educational system, failed miserably and brought up the Chubais of ebony and Gref belay
            By the way, and GDP and squabble with Tatyana and Malyut. This suggests that she did not deal with her main task at all.

            Strange, why did you exclude yourself from the line of pupils of Soviet education? You were not in the Soviet school?
            I explain to you that it was not a "new essence" that was brought up, as you have chosen to put it, but the goal was the Formation of a New Man, harmoniously developed, combining spiritual wealth, moral purity and physical perfection.
            It was this pre-war generation of the Builders of Communism that defended Brest heroically during the Great Patriotic War, lay down with bundles of grenades under German tanks, protecting Moscow, defended Stalingrad with its bosom, bravely went to ram in the sky near Leningrad, fired back to the last shell in a burning tank near Prokhorovka, the first rose to the attack, the first and died. Therefore, virtually no generation remained after the war from 1917 to 1925, and it was they who were supposed to equip the country. And what happened then is another story.
          5. bk316
            bk316 April 27 2020 15: 17 New
            +6
            It is strange, why did you exclude yourself from the line of pupils of Soviet education?

            The stump is clear and me too. But then I found a scythe on a stone - on my parents.
            By the 8th grade, I could independently carry out a comparative analysis of information about the same events from the time and voice of america program, or check for compliance with the decisions of the 26th congress with the advice of the classics. Accordingly, he could evaluate the "education" given by the Soviet school.

            Regarding War, as usual you have a problem with arithmetic. The Soviet school taught you badly.
            This task was set in 36, in fact, under the new Constitution. Therefore, people brought up in the war fostered completely on another, namely, on living examples of their parents who fought in the civilian and their grandfathers in the First World War.
      2. Red Bogatyr
        Red Bogatyr April 22 2020 21: 30 New
        +1
        China flag intercepted! ;) we look where now China and where the Russian Federation
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 22 2020 21: 49 New
        +1
        In China, oligarchic capitalism under the leadership of the CCP. )))
      4. Red Bogatyr
        Red Bogatyr April 22 2020 22: 41 New
        +1
        Russian mantra)))
      5. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 23 2020 01: 07 New
        0
        Chinese realities laughing
  • atalef
    atalef April 22 2020 15: 58 New
    -3
    Quote: Jager
    The "Bolsheviks" of the perestroika era had very little in common with the Bolsheviks of the October Revolution.

    How do you know what those Bolsheviks were?
    Good and ideological 7
    And why did Stalin multiply almost all of them by zero?
    Yes, and with families.
  • atalef
    atalef April 22 2020 13: 16 New
    -5
    Quote: Malyuta
    What the hell demagoguery ?! The greatness of Lenin lies in this

    The fact that he died on time.
    Otherwise, one of the two, or he would have planted Stalin or Stalin him.
    And so during the dead.
    Quote: Malyuta
    Stalin cleaned the party precisely according to the precepts of Lenin, but as we see now he has not finished.

    What commies are centenarians - those which Stalin did not clean 70 years ago (70 - Karl)
    Still crap in elevators.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 15: 03 New
    +2
    Behold at the root! If the burr had lingered in this world, then Stalin would not have seen the power as his own ears - everything was going to this. And then the country has the expected skiff: Lenin's comrades-in-arms, for the most part, according to Stalin's definition, "enemies of the people" would have ruined the country in the late 20s and early 30s. And if Stalin managed to take power into his own hands, as it was in real history, then Ilyich, with a greater degree of probability, would have shared the fate of Trotsky. Or Zinoviev and Kamenev.
  • Jager
    Jager April 22 2020 15: 31 New
    -1
    Stalin was elevated precisely because Lenin left the stage. And the squabble began.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 15: 48 New
    +1
    "Comrade Stalin, having become general secretary, has concentrated immense power in his hands, and I am not sure whether he will always be able to use this power with sufficient caution."
    "Stalin is too rude, and this defect, which is quite tolerable in the environment and in communication between us, communists, becomes intolerable in the post of general secretary. Therefore, I invite my comrades to consider a way to move Stalin from this place and appoint another person to this place."
    V.I. Lenin.
    And where would these faithful Leninist comrades-in-arms lead the country? Which were subsequently recognized as enemies of the people.
    The country was extremely lucky: Lenin left the stage in 1922.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 22 2020 15: 56 New
    -2
    I don’t think - Trotsky, for example, was against adventures such as the Polish Campaign, was the initiator of the adoption of imperial specialists in all areas of Soviet life, etc. This is despite his commitment to the ideas of the world revolution.
  • atalef
    atalef April 22 2020 15: 57 New
    -3
    Quote: Malyuta
    The greatness of Lenin lies in the fact that he foresaw, talked about that the party itself can be destroyed by the party

    shit - so did Lenin foresee?
    What else did he foresee?
    Maybe he said something about coronovirus?

    Quote: Malyuta
    that we must get rid of opportunists and bourgeois degenerates

    he damn it all decided, more had to shoot .more.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 22 2020 14: 57 New
    +1
    Yes, you have already finished the demogogy and walker in a circle with a song, who, by belonging to which party, was in 20-30-90 and so on. The record is jammed with creaks. No matter which party, the main thing is what has been done and for what! The current collapse since the 85th in the name of his own pocket was done, in 17m to take orphan power, in the 30s for the sake of modernization of the country, in the 70s for the population. Each time leading round dances in a circle you will never come to anything, for that reason he and the circle-figure are closed. But how nice it is for you to see your opponent to be a squirrel in this circle, it’s fun and fervent to run nowhere.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 22 2020 15: 59 New
    0
    I write - it is not necessary to give power today to the communists who once ruined the country. Lenin is a human being, but he is part of history, no more.
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 22 2020 16: 46 New
    +2
    You do not entrust your life to people, but to the idea. I hope you can catch the difference?
    But the cliche is a thief that the Communists themselves have collapsed and they don’t need to give power a great deception, and people who believe this are fools.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 23 2020 12: 17 New
    -1
    laughing Well, of course - this is the State Department and the Masons decided to transfer from the Black Volga to Maybachi, and instead of special clinics to be treated in Assuta and Vivantes)). Therefore, they didn’t steal - they simply privatized everything sweet for themselves after the collapse of the country they initiated hi
    The idea is a good one, I had a chance to live a couple of years under Krapotkin communism - and the external capitalist sales market was still determining the quality of life of the commune)).
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 23 2020 16: 35 New
    0
    Vots Ze metta "Krapotkin communism"?
    You, in my opinion, greatly simplify life.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 23 2020 20: 01 New
    0
    The Israeli kibbutz is an anarchist commune.
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 23 2020 21: 31 New
    0
    Curiously, I heard about kibbutzim, but not about anarchist ones. Not sure kibbutz is synonymous with communism)
    Well, the fact that the kibbutz works on the market is normal. Israel is still a capstran.
    As for trust in the communists, I can say that only communists can build socialism, because others will build something else. But to trust or not to trust is a matter of choice. It is clear that no one would have trusted Yeltsin with Gorbachev. But to question all communists is foolish and to consider communism as a primordially Marxist doctrine without any changes is foolish. Everything is developing.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 23 2020 22: 14 New
    -1
    Absolute synonym)). From each possible, to each according to his needs, with an equal distribution of basic material wealth, regardless of position.
    And the quantity and quality of wealth was determined by the market fellow Those. Che kibbutz earned, then on the common fund
    -------
    Yes, mankind has not grown to communism, STUPIDLY NOT MATTER laughing
    Ideal communists are good people - would I entrust them the chair of the general director of small business? No )).
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 23 2020 23: 44 New
    0
    And why then the anarchist kibbutz?
    An idealist is not a sentence. Idealists drive peace and progress, Tsiolkovsky, Korolev and a lot of them.
    Small business is small, but here we are talking about more.
    .
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 24 2020 00: 06 New
    0
    Kibbutzim are all anarchic - from religious (there are some) to "kolontaevskiy" Shomer Hatzair. Believe what you want, vote for any party, the main thing is not to bother anyone and observe the rules of the commune. There is no pariah hierarchy. The Chairman also Washes dishes in the common dining room every two (say) months. Etc.
    Yes, progress in science, art, culture - this is unconditional. Just managing the state is much more complicated than small business laughing And how to control your project to build ... mmm ... missiles. Harder
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 24 2020 10: 12 New
    0
    Why is it difficult?
    General Designer and supervises the project. And it turned out well in the USSR. And now the managers gobbled up the entire economy based on purely financial considerations.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 24 2020 12: 41 New
    -1
    Heh, so in the USSR it turned out due to the hypertrophied expense of funds - which became the next brick, knocked out of the building of the Union's bearing wall. Roughly - grandmas did not count and collapsed after changing the world market conjunct
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 25 2020 10: 49 New
    +1
    And there was no hypertrophied flow. Yes, since 17, due to natural conditions, a lot has been spent on defense, but our military industries were super-efficient.
    I consider the main trouble of the Soviet system dogmatism. The flexibility of the Soviet machine was not enough, especially in post-Stalin times.
    Collapsed due to betrayal, it was hard to imagine that everything stopped suddenly. But this happened, all of a sudden the products disappeared, and after all, all households continued to work. Muddy situation.
    But even despite the problems with the goods, the main thing is to undermine the people's faith in power. The talk-shop, mistakes people were disoriented and all this in the absence of a worthy leader.
    Therefore, they rushed for the populist and bastard Yeltsin! And it seems to me that he was just a fool.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 25 2020 14: 00 New
    -2
    How was it not? The shortage of consumer goods also occurred as a result of hypertrophied defense and space spending due to underfunding of the agricultural farm (for example) - with expensive oil and cheap wheat, this was normal - there was a shortage with cheap oil and expensive wheat, etc. in other areas.
    The erosion of trust began in the 80s. The decaying West sent parcels with rags and letters from emigrants to relatives in the USSR describing the "plight of the working people of the USA and other capitalist countries."
    Yeltsin - turned up a gamble in the success of which he himself did not fully believe and drank. hi
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 23 2020 11: 09 New
    -1
    but I repeat that it is not the communists, capitalists and other onanists, but the people themselves, their upbringing and concepts about themselves and those around them as well as about the country as a whole. A loop in a circle way to nowhere. Yes, it was, it means that in those conditions and the education of people it was not otherwise, Now let's isolate good things and mistakes and move on without stepping on the same rake and not walking stupidly in a circle. What could it be like to develop China with an alliance of private traders in the example, (setting the strategy and tactics for attracting technologies and their copy-paste itself) is possible. Yes, and after living in our madhouse, socialism minus all partners freeloaders abroad I am more impressed with.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 22 2020 21: 01 New
    0
    Eugene, you hastily skipped classes in political economics
  • Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack April 22 2020 17: 59 New
    -3
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Once again and without demagoguery

    With this, the girl is difficult ... she is not able to "without demagoguery" request
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 14: 42 New
    -7
    That's right. The Communists are to blame for not identifying a traitor in their ranks. What kind of party is it that without constant purges is simply rotten. Apparently, it was originally rotten.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella April 22 2020 16: 48 New
      0
      What nonsense, do you even read what you write?
  • Revival
    Revival April 22 2020 23: 00 New
    -1
    The same as the "party" membership of cancer cells, reincarnates from that organism, but they are removed, and not blamed where they are from, and give the body a second chance.
    So the presence of such an experience with rebirths does not interfere, but obliges you to try again, taking into account the experience gained
  • bk316
    bk316 April 22 2020 18: 13 New
    +5
    evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic States enemies of Lenin

    Wow, that's just why ALL THEY were united in one party in the CPSU? belay
    How did it happen that the enemies of Lenin were bored in the party of Lenin? Don't want to ask this uncomfortable question?
    And another tip to you - read the charter of the CPSU. This is such a strange party that postulates collective responsibility. It is convenient, of course, but it will be necessary to answer before history for the collapse of a great country not to the labeled and the drunk but to the whole party.
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 14: 44 New
    -2
    The one who was in power collapsed. That is - the Communists.
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 22 2020 16: 42 New
    +4
    Traitors and fools! Is it really unclear to you!
    And your capitalism has nowhere to fall apart, it is the bottom of social development.
  • Tochilka
    Tochilka April 22 2020 15: 53 New
    +3
    Reborn Traitors. From the party nomenclature. Right?
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr April 22 2020 16: 06 New
    0
    Led by under-repressed traitors ... And it was clearly not the Bolsheviks and certainly not the Communists (for they were not going to defend a single communist idea) ...
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 22 2020 16: 38 New
    +2
    What is the most unsuccessful idea?
    Making a man a slave is by far the most outstanding idea that rules the world.
    Bravo, Mr. Atalef, you are very erudite)))
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 17: 18 New
      -2
      The Communists have done much more in terms of slavery.
      1. Campanella
        Campanella April 22 2020 21: 12 New
        0
        What is in your head? Not even funny! You still call the USSR an evil empire. Did you get education in Kentucky?
      2. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav April 22 2020 21: 16 New
        -2
        Andrei did you get a high school diploma for money? your parents learned in the ussr and they had the opportunity to give birth to such a miracle and socialism cannot be held responsible for every single person you would now shit by the name of us everything is fair there is paradise for you personally on earth but just return the money for your soviet education
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent April 22 2020 19: 16 New
    11
    Quote: atalef
    Movement leader

    So that you know bats, it’s not clear that Stakhanov was buried in my city, I found him alive ...

    It’s not for you to judge, a defector-repatriate about how we lived and how we can live on.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 April 22 2020 10: 25 New
    -8
    it is interesting what the classics of Marxism-Leninism would say if they knew that their theory had failed, that after socialism capitalism again came, and even a nationalist, sort of national capitalism. The answer is obvious all these theories of the dialectics of class society are not just bluffs, but deliberate misleading of humanity.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 22 2020 10: 42 New
      +6
      To this stupidity they would answer that in October 1917, the country was seized by those who built socialism in the country, and during Perestroika, the country was seized by those who returned capitalism to the country.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri April 22 2020 12: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: tatra

        To this stupidity they would answer that in October 1917, the country was seized by those who built socialism in the country, and during Perestroika, the country was seized by those who returned capitalism to the country.

        Irina, how did it happen that in the leadership of the Mind of Honor and Conscience of our era, by the mid-80s, only people remained, maybe with intelligence, but without honor and without conscience, who destroyed the country? How did they, with their petty-bourgeois consciousness, get there? Why didn't the light bulb with the inscription “Melkoburzhui detekted?” Appear anywhere? Why was not a mechanism created that would automatically cut such citizens out of the party ranks? What do you think?
        1. tatra
          tatra April 22 2020 13: 10 New
          +3
          First, Gorbachev did the same as Putin did, as they had done many times in world history before them, when a person who became the head of the State immediately began to replace people in the highest echelons of power with his own. So Gorbachev, under the false justification of "rejuvenation" of the highest echelons of power, replaced the real, by convictions, communists with those with whom he together destroyed the USSR. Secondly, the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR always, both under the USSR and after their capture of the USSR, pretended to be and pretend to be those who are profitable for them at the moment, including the fact that they are all, and the members of the CPSU who “saw the light” in the anti-Soviet Perestroika, and all the rest, pretend to be "great philanthropists" STRICTLY in their anti-Sovietism.
          Both the October Revolution and the anti-Soviet counter-revolution are the same large-scale change of power and the socio-economic System, BUT with directly opposite goals and results, including the fact that the revolution was made by those who were always clear and honest opponents of the existing power and System, and the counter-revolution - those who for years, decades pretended to be supporters of the existing power and the System. .
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri April 22 2020 13: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: tatra
            Firstly, Gorbachev did the same as Putin did, as they did to them many times ........

            You apparently did not understand the essence of the question. Let me repeat with an explanation: How did Khrushchev & Co., Gorbachev & Co., Yeltsin & Co. find themselves in the leadership of the party?
            Quote: HanTengri
            How did they, with their petty-bourgeois consciousness, get there? Why didn't the light bulb with the inscription “Melkoburzhui detekted?” Appear anywhere? Why wasn’t a mechanism created that would automatically cut such citizens out of the party ranks? What do you think?
            1. tatra
              tatra April 22 2020 13: 32 New
              +3
              You, apparently, did not understand my answer. The enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR are people without conscience, convictions, moral principles, and in life they always pretend to be those who are beneficial to them at the moment. And if one of them, Gorbachev, had not got hold of power, he, Yeltsin, Putin, and all the other members of the CPSU who "saw" the anti-Soviet Perestroika, would pretend to be "loyal communists" for the rest of their lives. Gorbachev's Perestroika is a "moment of truth" that proved "who is who."
            2. Campanella
              Campanella April 22 2020 16: 52 New
              0
              Ordinary, they rushed for the winner, and then surrendered. Because the ideological is always less than the payroll. Do you really understand this?
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri April 22 2020 17: 19 New
                +4
                Quote: Campanella
                Ordinary, they rushed for the winner, and then surrendered. Because the ideological is always less than the payroll. Do you really understand this?

                This is just understandable to me. It is also understandable that, as a result of negative selection, all of this, in the absence of a sane self-cleaning mechanism in the system, sooner or later had to be at the very top, crowding out all ideological and correct ones.
                I was just curious to know how tatra Presents the process of appearance in the party leadership of these ubiquitous "enemies of the communists" (c).
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella April 22 2020 21: 43 New
                  +1
                  I think this is too complex a question that does not have a simple explanation. And the appearance of traitors is not a monotonous process, everyone goes his own way towards him.
                  And the fact that the enemies were a fact, as well as fools, who are sometimes worse than enemies. That was Gorbachev.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 April 27 2020 15: 21 New
                    +5
                    That was Gorbachev.

                    So I'm somehow not sure that Gorbachev is a fool and not an enemy. I’m calm for EBN .... laughing
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 22 2020 14: 55 New
          +4
          After Joseph, the purges stopped, as a result of which it was possible to go to the wall, here after his death the party secured itself, now the worst punishment was to go as an ambassador to Mongolia.
        3. evgen1221
          evgen1221 April 22 2020 15: 01 New
          +1
          I think that for this, thanks to Khrushchev with a personality cult and the abolition of state control should be as the ancestor of the phenomenon, then Suslov and everyone who kept Brezhnev to the last, and by the way, an analogy with our self-peeling GDP that you did not find on Valdai? Also, after all, they will keep and will keep the whole to death.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 00 New
            0
            Quote: evgen1221
            I think that for this, thanks to Khrushchev with a personality cult and the abolition of state control should be as the ancestor of the phenomenon, then Suslov and everyone who kept Brezhnev to the last, and by the way, an analogy with our self-peeling GDP that you did not find on Valdai? Also, after all, they will keep and will keep the whole to death.

            You read the last works of Stalin - you are lucky to leave on time.
          2. Campanella
            Campanella April 22 2020 16: 55 New
            +3
            Not so simple. Still, this is a consequence of miscalculation and errors, and simply betrayal, which Stalin fought with.
            That's when the godfather sits on the throne and feeds with the friends, there will be no betrayal, and when the feeder is under you, and you are like everyone else, here the traitors will be above the roof.
      2. Bar1
        Bar1 April 22 2020 14: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: tatra
        To this stupidity, they would answer that in October 1917, the country was captured by those who organized socialism in the country, and during Perestroika, those who returned capitalism to the country were captured

        and the country can be seized by those who can arrange feudalism in the country, and then take the country and arrange slavery, do you think?
        You poorly know the theory of Marx, humanity goes from the lower to the upper and cannot backtrack in loops, but socialism, and after it communism is the inevitable development of mankind.
        1. tatra
          tatra April 22 2020 14: 18 New
          +1
          Well, you're not talking about that again. Those who captured the USSR / Russia returned to the country the same quality power, the same system with a huge gap in the incomes of the people, the same wretched raw materials-import economy, high mortality of the people, as it was before the October Revolution. And I'm a realist, I judge only by reality, not by theories.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 03 New
            0
            Here I completely agree.
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr April 22 2020 16: 14 New
      +5
      If your son drinks and squanders all the property and the house you built, it means that your idea of ​​building a house was a utopia and there was no need to build a house, endure the need ?! So do I understand you? Not the theory failed, but the leaders crap ... They drank and plundered or allowed to plunder what was built by their fathers ... Or simply there weren’t enough brains and the theory to develop (and not ruin) and save the country ...
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 17: 21 New
        0
        Not a son. This is the father who first built the house, set up a garden, and then, either he swelled, or set off with his mind, and he ruined the house and cut down the garden. How do you remember such a figure? That's right - a destroyer.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr April 22 2020 17: 36 New
          +5
          Well, even I don’t remember which house Yeltsin managed to build for us? Against Lenin and Stalin, he is full of shit ... How he pissed at the airport under the cameras and conducted a bukh, rejoicing in our departure from the GDR I will never forget ...
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 18: 34 New
            -2
            Yeltsin has something to do with it. The destruction of the country began Brezhnev. Under him, a fusion of power with crime began.
  • Magistr
    Magistr April 22 2020 21: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Arlen
    Hello dear comrades, friends and associates!
    Today is a special day - 150 years ago, on April 22, 1870, an outstanding man of world scale was born, the main organizer and leader of the Great October Socialist Revolution of 1917,

    Founder of the world power of the USSR! Leaving a huge and progressive mark in the history of mankind .. hi
    Workers of all countries unite! This call is more relevant than ever again ...
    But the enemies are not asleep and in every way pick out and distort the story ..
    Break through comrades, where ours did not disappear ..

    And so we live, we only dream of peace ..
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 15 New
    34
    Dear comrades, I wish you happy birthday to the leader of the world proletariat, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin!
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 22 2020 05: 18 New
    31
    Happy birthday to the founder of the first socialist state!
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 36 New
      22
      October! Overthrown forever
      power
      Bourgeois and nobles.
      So in October the dream came true
      Workers and peasants.

      The victory was not easy
      But Lenin led the people,
      And Lenin saw far
      For many years to come.
    2. cniza
      cniza April 22 2020 16: 33 New
      +1
      I am for this slogan, I know that V.I. Lenin is a genius, only followers never fulfilled this covenant, but left posts forward with their feet ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 22 2020 05: 32 New
    19
    Happy birthday to the great Lenin.
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 34 New
      24
      Lenin is always alive
      Lenin is always with you
      In sorrow, in hope and joy.
      Lenin in your spring,
      In every happy day,
      Lenin is in you and in me!

      In the old hour, in the severe darkness,
      At the dawn of Soviet power,
      He said on earth
      We will build people happiness.
    2. atalef
      atalef April 22 2020 05: 42 New
      -44
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

      It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
      Bury and let it burn in hell.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 April 22 2020 07: 36 New
        13
        To bury and let it burn in hell .... your holiday on April 20. what is it here? to the country at 404 wheels
      2. Deniska999
        Deniska999 April 22 2020 08: 22 New
        11
        Atalef, the modern generation, is very calm about finding Lenin in the mausoleum. And among people 20-40 years old, few people feel animal hatred towards him. Therefore, let it lie.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 22 2020 16: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: Deniska999
          And among people 20-40 years old, few people feel animal hatred towards him. Therefore, let it lie.

          Well, agreed - let it lie.
          really what a difference.
          Someone is worshiping an icon - someone is a mummy.
          Kakya I see in VO mainly in the mummy.
          1. Deniska999
            Deniska999 April 22 2020 16: 54 New
            0
            Say, VO is a slightly different generation after all. And I focused on the young people who are absolutely neutral to Lenin. And I think the decision should be left to them, and not to people who hate or adore Lenin until they turn blue.
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 22 2020 08: 42 New
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

        It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
        Bury and let it burn in hell.

        Maybe Ramses and Ehtamon too - that? )))
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 22 2020 11: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Maybe Ramses and Ehtamon too - that? )))

          Five points! drinks
        2. atalef
          atalef April 22 2020 12: 25 New
          -4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

          It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
          Bury and let it burn in hell.

          Maybe Ramses and Ehtamon too - that? )))

          Akhenaten?
          Or maybe with Artemon?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 12: 41 New
            +8
            Artemon is a bourgeois poodle of exploiters of working dolls - don’t mention the name of the capital’s henchman Bar Abas, who looks suspiciously like a beard and a hat on Chabad of Lubavitcher Hasid, on such a bright holiday for the whole proletariat! am
            1. atalef
              atalef April 22 2020 12: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Artemon is a bourgeois poodle of exploiters of working dolls - don’t mention the name of the capital’s henchman Bar Abas, who looks suspiciously like a beard and a hat on Chabad of Lubavitcher Hasid, on such a bright holiday for the whole proletariat! am

              Bar Abas and his servant Malka Vina-
              With the help of a depressive apparatus headed
              Art Amun - in a monstrous manner
              suppressed the just struggle of the puppet proletariat.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 06 New
                +2
                But inspired by Engels, Kautsky and their Correspondence (underground nickname Malki Vina) Pin Okio (underground nickname Burat Eno, aka Sasha Bar On Cohen) overthrew the Schneerson regime (self-designation of the Zonowski Snows) of the exploiters and their assistant Samantha Fox (Alice? Alice..who the ..hell..is Alice)
                1. atalef
                  atalef April 22 2020 16: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  But inspired by Engels, Kautsky and their correspondenceth (underground nickname Malki Vina) Pin Okio (underground nickname Burat Ino, aka Sasha Bar On Cohen)

                  The correspondence in the end was Akhenaten’s secret muse and even tried to destroy (with the help of Art Amon - in the proto-people called Amalek) the popular favorite Nifertiti,
                  vile order

                  I didn’t help to drag the log to Akhenaten - there’s no place for you in the peramide and you’re not fucked to live. am
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 33 New
                    +1
                    About Amalek - one of the few commandments that I fulfill. I hate him! soldier As the scripture says, Lisnoa Amalek!
      4. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 22 2020 08: 51 New
        10
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

        It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
        Bury and let it burn in hell.

        Why are you from Israel about our square so worried? No, that's enough, now we ourselves.
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          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 22 2020 10: 19 New
            -5
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: neri73-r
            Why are you from Israel about our square so worried? No, that's enough, now we ourselves.

            you start to think that this boy was right in something.

            Hitler was right, do you think ?! am

            you think WHAT are you talking ?! angry

            inhuman, destroying only our fellow citizens 26 millionis something right?

            delete this immediately abomination!

            ps. you no longer exist for me. negative
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r April 22 2020 10: 47 New
              +2
              Hitler was right, do you think ?! am

              Do you realize what you are talking about ?! angry

              the inhuman, destroying only our fellow citizens 26 million in something is right?

              remove this abomination immediately!

              ps. you no longer exist for me.


              Demanding to remove, you simultaneously demand that you stop the discussion of interference in other people's affairs in general and in the affairs of our state, people and the Fatherland in particular, on the part of elites alien to us with the goal of our destruction / weakening! And the involvement of certain nationalities in this process should not automatically end the discussion as a whole. Here no one justifies the extermination of different peoples and Jews in particular. hi Do not provoke! Then everything will be fine.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 22 2020 10: 55 New
                -6
                Quote: neri73-r
                Demanding to remove, you at the same time, demand to terminate the discussion about interference with others

                do not think for me!

                I demand that the Nazi propaganda be removed from the pages of VO. implemented by tihonmarine stating. what....... "HITLER WAS RIGHT about something!"

                That don't you understand?

                Or you too so do you think? negative
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r April 22 2020 11: 04 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  What do you not understand?

                  After reading the post
                  tihonmarine
                  I do not see Nazi propaganda in him, I see that a person (hints) writes to Atalef - do not provoke, with your provocation you play into the hands of fascism / Nazism!
                  You read people like atalef and you start to think that this was something the boy was right about.
                  At the same time, I agree, let's not think of others! hi
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine April 22 2020 13: 56 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  tihonmarine, who stated. that ....... "HITLER WAS RIGHT in some ways!"

                  Do not misinterpret my words, and do not invent what ge was.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 22 2020 14: 21 New
                    -6
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Do not misinterpret my words, and do not make up what was ge.

                    this :
                    tihonmarine - "boy what was right.
                    с photo of a boy-Who said ?! fool

                    that invented by me. liar? fool

                    what disgusting Nazi trick!

                    a disgrace .... angry negative
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ April 22 2020 14: 59 New
                      +2
                      Isn’t Chubais pictured there?
                      1. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine April 22 2020 18: 23 New
                        0
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Isn’t Chubais pictured there?

                        I put a photo of the boy, and there who thinks. But put in response to an insult to V.I. Lenin.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 19 New
                +2
                Demanding to remove, you simultaneously demand that you stop the discussion of interference in other people's affairs in general and in the affairs of our state, people and the Fatherland in particular, on the part of elites alien to us with the goal of our destruction / weakening! And the involvement of certain nationalities in this process should not automatically end the discussion as a whole. Here no one justifies the extermination of different peoples and Jews in particular. hi No need to provoke! Then everything will be fine.

                Aliens alien to us, who? lol
            2. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr April 22 2020 16: 27 New
              +1
              Hitler, when he was a schoolboy, was not a fascist ... And ... Until a certain period of his life, he could be right in something ... (Although, in general, I do not know a single person who would be right in everything or wrong in everything ...). And in the photo he looks like Chubais ...
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 46 New
                +2
                Hitler was hardly once a fascist. He was a Nazi. Yes, do not excuse Tikhonmarin - he is a resident of Estonia, nobody will give the data to IP, no one will sue him, etc.
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          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine

            You read people like atalef and you start to think that this was something the boy was right about.

            I think that about Hitler’s rightness you will find many consonants in your Estonia. On the territory of the Russian Federation, this is called the propaganda of Nazism.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 22 2020 14: 04 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              On the territory of the Russian Federation, this is called the propaganda of Nazism.

              No, it was a response to V. Lenin's insults to that lad who wrote "Bury and let him burn in hell", and how should one interpret his words? Or do you also agree with these words? I write again, "Do not insult our leaders."
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 14: 13 New
                +3
                What are yours? Estonian ?? Atalef is the same "former Soviet man" as you are, only he lives in a country less hostile to Russia. I do not agree with his opinion, because demolishing historical monuments, taking out the mummified remains of political figures - this is the lot of all populists who do not know how to raise their rating among the sloppy layers of the population. And again - the justification of Nazi propaganda by the defense of the leader of the world proletariat, this is something new, incomprehensible to me ..
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine April 22 2020 18: 32 New
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Which of yours? Estonian?

                  But I am not a former person, I remained a citizen of the USSR, I only have a residence permit, and I am not an immigrant, I just lived in the ESSR. I am a Russian person born and living in Transbaikalia, but I do not like when people of a different nationality encroach on the holy name of Lenin. And what should I say to the person who spoke about Lenin
                  Bury and let it burn in hell.
                  ,. that he would continue to insult further, but his native blood protects him and is indignant.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 19: 05 New
                    +2
                    1) You remained a citizen of a non-existent country in a non-existent Soviet republic - very commendable.
                    2) Atalef is a Jew. With the collapse of the international Union, according to Lenin’s precepts, he left for his national homeland, and you, Russian, preferred your native Transbaikalia to a country that joined the EU and NATO. Your business, do not blame.
                    3) What do you and the internationalist Lenin have in common - can you explain? laughing
                    4) Well, of course, apart from the phrase about Hitler’s rightness in solving the Jewish question, there was nothing to say fellow Straight to Vlasov - we are for Russia without the Yudo-Bolsheviks, the question is - where does the communist-internationalist Lenin and the opinion about his activities of the proletarian Atalef? )))
                    You tell the Estonian comrades about their beloved Adolf, the Russian public does not need ...
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine April 22 2020 18: 45 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  What are yours? Estonian ?? Atalef is the same "former Soviet man" as you are, only he lives in a country less hostile to Russia.

                  Estonia is a less aggressive country than the one you talk about and live about (you don't live there). But the people of Estonia, unlike your friendly country of residence, are much friendlier to Russia. Many went to the Christmas holidays of 2020, and came to rest (before the Caron) and no one said a bad word to them, but they spoke a lot to me in Haifa and Ashdot after the collapse of the Union, thank you former compatriots.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 22 2020 19: 09 New
                    +2
                    laughing NATO is generally a friendly organization to Russia ... The people of Estonia - yes, very friendly to the Russian Federation, I believe. Unlike Haifa and Ashdod, this is because there is no airport with 5 direct flights per day to Moscow, unlike Lod (the town where Ben Gurion Airport is) lol And yes, they’re persecuting Russians, they don’t give citizenship without knowing the language ....
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine April 22 2020 19: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      NATO is generally a friendly organization to Russia.

                      I don’t know this for a long time, that NATO is Israel, the most friendly organizations in Russia. But I am an enemy because I live in Estonia.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 22 2020 19: 35 New
                        +2
                        Unlike NATO, Israel has other opponents, Russia is not one of them, and, in general, visa-free travel between countries has long been. )))
                        You are an enemy because you support Hitler in "some things." In Estonia, perhaps, this is the norm, in the Russian Federation - not.
                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine April 23 2020 10: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        In Estonia, perhaps this is the norm, in the Russian Federation - no.

                        I am more of a monarchist, and I support this since childhood, because I was brought up more by my grandfather, and we also lived in Transbaikalia, where there were about 20 nationalities in the village and lived together. The demoniac, like everyone else, I hate, but you always need to delve into everything to the smallest detail, and indiscriminately shouting "ours are beaten" is not a muzhik. Even the most idiots have a reasonable grain, take at least Trotsky or Yurovsky.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 23 2020 12: 22 New
                        +1
                        The monarchist defending Lenin - that's cool laughing I understand - you, as a supporter of autocracy, found a rational kernel from Hitler after the insult of a Lenin by a Jew what
                        And why is it not peasant?
                      4. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine April 23 2020 13: 33 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The monarchist defending Lenin - that's cool

                        After the liquidation of the royal family, the monarchy could not be restored, so the Bolshevik empire became, and I am for it, but not for "democracy". And the possessed one had positive views, everything cannot be denied. I have a pretty negative attitude towards the pink triangle.
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 23 2020 14: 41 New
                        0
                        Atalef - these are two yellow triangles, Lenin is one of the initiators of the liquidation of the royal family, no need to tell tales.
                      6. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine April 23 2020 16: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Lenin is one of the initiators of the liquidation of the imperial family, no need to tell tales.

                        You don’t tell us tales. They don’t have faith.
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 23 2020 16: 51 New
                        0
                        laughing
                        So do not believe, just remember - the mention of Hitler's righteousness, in the context of the destruction of gays, Jews, communists or the enslavement of the Slavs - is the propaganda of Nazism. And "you" - who like these moments, I would advise you to express your opinion in a narrow circle of like-minded people - in the Russian Federation it is criminally punishable and you can easily grab it - not Estonia laughing
  • atalef
    atalef April 22 2020 15: 48 New
    0
    Quote: tihonmarine
    No, it was a response to V. Lenin's insults to that lad who wrote "Bury and let him burn in hell", and how should one interpret his words?

    Simply . Bury and let it burn in hell.
    It is possible in a pan adjacent to Hitler.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 22 2020 18: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: atalef
      Simply . Bury and let it burn in hell.

      Well, I also answered you. We are even, no offense.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 22 2020 14: 22 New
    0
    Purely theoretically, there are a lot of children in this photo) Prove who he meant.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 22 2020 14: 25 New
      +2
      Purely practical, the judge is not. I don’t set out to do something like that, but if I had to - laughing - a maximum penalty, for a resident of an EU country is not critical)).
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 22 2020 09: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Bury and let it burn in hell.

    You speak very badly about our leaders, but what if we also start talking about your leaders?
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r April 22 2020 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Quote: atalef
      Bury and let it burn in hell.

      You speak very badly about our leaders, but what if we also start talking about your leaders?

      In general, I agree with you, but they, as blood relatives, can do a little, but without touching the country and our people. It seems to me that they do not like him so much because they did not bring the world revolution to the end and could not transfer their business to Trotsky and his bloodthirsty gang. I.V. Stalin was able to beat and shod all Western figures (Anglo-Saxons and Jews)!
      1. tatra
        tatra April 22 2020 09: 36 New
        -3
        The enemies of Lenin slandered both Stalin and Trotsky.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 22 2020 09: 50 New
          +6
          Quote: tatra
          The enemies of Lenin slandered both Stalin and Trotsky.

          Well, you give !!!! Put Trotsky and I.V. Stalin in one row .....! Here, either remove the cross or wear panties ... (c) No options.
          1. tatra
            tatra April 22 2020 09: 53 New
            -3
            They wrote nonsense. The enemies of the Communists slandered ALL Bolsheviks. In particular, they attributed to Trotsky a fake, beginning with the words "we must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white blacks ...".
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 22 2020 09: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: neri73-r
            Put Trotsky and I.V. Stalin in one row .....!

            Yes, here he has garbage in his head, like cutlets and flies together. Kindergarten or?
      2. atalef
        atalef April 22 2020 10: 40 New
        -5
        Quote: neri73-r
        It seems to me that they do not like him so much for not completing the world revolution

        For all the Jews there is a judge.
        For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
        For a Jewess who shot the leader
        For the fact that she missed.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 22 2020 10: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: neri73-r
          It seems to me that they do not like him so much for not completing the world revolution

          For all the Jews there is a judge.
          For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
          For a Jewess who shot the leader
          For the fact that she missed.

          No need to hide behind the Holocaust! Flies separately, cutlets on the table!
      3. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: neri73-r

        I.V. Stalin was able to beat and shod all Western figures (Anglo-Saxons and Jews)!

        Especially sponsoring Anglo-Saxon Roosevelt elections through Jewish Hammer lol
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 22 2020 13: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: neri73-r

          I.V. Stalin was able to beat and shod all Western figures (Anglo-Saxons and Jews)!

          Especially sponsoring Anglo-Saxon Roosevelt elections through Jewish Hammer lol

          Yeah, and you drown for Truman? Roosevelt became a friend of Stalin, for which he bothered to amend the US constitution to be elected in a row. But the US elite realized their loss and Truman became a prezik.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 49 New
            +1
            lol
            22 Amendment to the US Constitution was adopted 2 years after the death of Roosevelt - in 1947, when Truman was in power
            I'm talking about your words about how Stalin "outplayed" the Jews and Anglo-Saxons
            And by the way, the American elites were against Truman - for your information
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r April 22 2020 14: 40 New
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              lol
              22 Amendment to the US Constitution was adopted 2 years after the death of Roosevelt - in 1947, when Truman was in power
              I'm talking about your words about how Stalin "outplayed" the Jews and Anglo-Saxons
              And by the way, the American elites were against Truman - for your information

              Exactly, then they couldn’t get to the shooting, his affairs were too great, that is why they let him die quietly. Dallas will be later.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 14: 45 New
                +1
                These are conspiracy theories - I am only strong in dates.
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r April 22 2020 14: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  These are conspiracy theories - I am only strong in dates.

                  The modest man! (WITH) laughing love
    2. atalef
      atalef April 22 2020 12: 30 New
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      You speak very badly about our leaders

      It is absolutely pink to me what you think of Lenin, I have the right to my opinion.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Well, if we also start talking about your leaders?

      I don’t know who you mean.
      I have no leaders and are not expected.
    3. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine

      You speak very badly about our leaders, but what if we also start talking about your leaders?

      Lenin was the leader of the world proletariat - to whom you, like me, are unlikely to have any relation (unlike atalef, by the way) ..
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r April 22 2020 13: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: tihonmarine

        You speak very badly about our leaders, but what if we also start talking about your leaders?

        Lenin was the leader of the world proletariat - to whom you, like me, are unlikely to have any relation (unlike atalef, by the way) ..

        Thinly troll the world revolution! wassat
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 22 2020 13: 42 New
          0
          Not at all - Lenin was not a national leader and never positioned himself as such
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r April 22 2020 14: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Not at all - Lenin was not a national leader and never positioned himself as such

            I'm talking about Atalef!
            1. atalef
              atalef April 22 2020 16: 27 New
              0
              Quote: neri73-r
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Not at all - Lenin was not a national leader and never positioned himself as such

              I'm talking about Atalef!

              from w.
              I’m actually the proletariat.
              But Lenin is definitely not my leader.
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r April 22 2020 16: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: atalef
                I’m actually the proletariat.

                Netuti TOGO of the proletariat and its leaders! Some managers and office workers. The proletariat is now pecking in Southeast Asia.
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 22 2020 16: 48 New
                +2
                Show them your quote pad Mao to keep up repeat
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 22 2020 09: 11 New
    +2
    Bury and let it burn in hell.
    Are you a fan of Yeltsin and company?
  • Camel
    Camel April 22 2020 12: 30 New
    +3
    Is Israel more visible? Maybe we ourselves will decide what to do in our country? No outside advice.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 22 2020 21: 30 New
    +2
    you will burn with Putin
  • Revival
    Revival April 23 2020 02: 06 New
    -1
    Come from where you came
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 22 2020 05: 33 New
    12
    Very interesting. I never heard about an attempt to create a parallel party. However, I think these were not pro-Chinese groups, but an anti-bureaucratic orientation. And the Chinese helped any movement against the CPSU.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 22 2020 05: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Very interesting. I never heard about an attempt to create a parallel party. However, I think these were not pro-Chinese groups, but an anti-bureaucratic orientation. And the Chinese helped any movement against the CPSU.

      Fundamentally new information that I have never met anywhere. It is interesting to know how the authors found this information. What has been preserved about this? What about the intentions of the Chinese?
      Thank you for the article
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 22 2020 08: 38 New
        0
        In general, as my mother said, my grandfather, a teacher, knew about such protest groups and tried to whisper to grandmother. Mum heard some words, understood a little, remembers a little? It happened when my grandfather came from some meetings in the evening, apparently they were given such information. And they lived either in a communal apartment or later in Khrushchev. My grandmother stopped these conversations .. My mother only remembers that according to my grandfather, there were some military men against Khrushchev, agreed, the Leningrad ones. It turned out, then, to them, already retired senior pensioners of high ranks, there were observers until their death. This all the 70s continued observation --- an employee in the front door. It was also simply against socialism that the schoolchildren spoke in the Grazhdanka district. End of the 60s? Or in general to the 50th anniversary?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim April 22 2020 09: 05 New
          +2
          It is interesting to know how the authors found this information.
          Using Google. There is a lot of information. Even Wikipedia has an article on the Group of Revolutionary Communism.
          In 1999, a collection of disseminated documents "Supervision Proceedings of the USSR Prosecutor's Office on Cases of Anti-Soviet Agitation and Propaganda" was published. A thick book of almost 1000 pages.
          She is online.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 22 2020 09: 33 New
            +5
            Well yes! To correctly ask a question, you need to know half the answer ((Robert Sheckley))
            Quote: Undecim
            It is interesting to know how the authors found this information.
            Using Google. There is a lot of information. Even Wikipedia has an article on the Group of Revolutionary Communism.
            In 1999, a collection of disseminated documents "Supervision Proceedings of the USSR Prosecutor's Office on Cases of Anti-Soviet Agitation and Propaganda" was published. A thick book of almost 1000 pages.
            She is online.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ April 22 2020 09: 06 New
          +4
          It is clear that Brezhnev's ideological stagnation ultimately led to economic stagnation. There probably was a hidden protest against the Khrushchev experiments in all areas of activity in the USSR. Just do not portray this rejection of Khrushchev’s plans as an endorsement of the Chinese path - here the author seems to be mistaken, being held captive by the Chinese propaganda of the 60-70s.
          And Lenin is a really great man. When I was preparing my candidate's minimum in philosophy, I honestly studied his works, including "Materialism and Empirio-Criticism" (Collected Works vol. 18). An amazingly deep thing. For a person with a legal education to write this, he needs to be a genius.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 22 2020 09: 31 New
            0
            ..... candidate minimum in philosophy ....
            Great! Was it Marxist-Leninist philosophy? Respect! And in what year, Sergey, was that?
            It is a pity that now they do not study the works, as before. After all, at school and everywhere later they studied .... I know that there were Lenin offsets every year to everyone ....
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ April 22 2020 09: 35 New
              +1
              It was 1981. But in philosophy, I then got "bad", as I began to reason logically before the commission, which was not recommended. The retake took place a year later, on the day of Brezhnev's funeral, "Ud" was delivered.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 22 2020 09: 41 New
                -1
                Did you keep the text? Grandfather’s text was-was, a long time ago, and then when he moved the grandmother and eliminated. And I would read now
                Quote: Aviator_
                It was 1981. But in philosophy, I then got "bad", as I began to reason logically before the commission, which was not recommended. The retake took place a year later, on the day of Brezhnev's funeral, "Ud" was delivered.

                It was a completely different life, a different time
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ April 22 2020 09: 45 New
                  0
                  Do you mean the summary of the work? I’ve looked somewhere. Naturally, in paper form, and the scanner is at my work.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ April 22 2020 09: 38 New
              +2
              Lenin offsets are a miserable Komsomol profanation of the idea of ​​studying primary sources.
              I passed the exam in 1981, got "bad", as I began to reason logically before the commission, and this was not welcomed. The retake took place a year later, on the day of Brezhnev's funeral, and it was "satisfied"
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 22 2020 10: 20 New
                0
                Well, I can’t believe that profanity is right everywhere. I agree, could it take place somewhere, but not everywhere?
                Not always? Although then profanity, apparently, spread, why did the year 91 come?
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ April 22 2020 13: 50 New
                  +3
                  I’m talking about what I myself encountered, about the leaders of the Komsomol at all levels of the 1970-80s. Those who went there because of their stupidity were not able to make a scientific or industrial career. With the Komsomol they were seated a place in the same party structure. A striking example is Valka-glass (another Komsomol nickname - Valka is red underpants).
                  Here you sometimes come across nostalgic memories of working "on potatoes". It is clear, the bad is forgotten, only the good remains in the memory. It's the same for me. But in essence, this work spoke about the fact that our skilled labor is worth nothing, in comparison with this, agricultural. It is clear that if we are talking about one-time aid ("forgetting that potatoes are decomposing in the fields" - Vysotsky), then the aid is justified. But every autumn it was unpleasant to see the stupid smug faces of the workers of the Podmoskovny state farm, reveling in the fact that MIPT students plow on them, and there are no natural disasters, "potatoes do not decompose in the fields". Moreover, ten-kopeck potatoes disappeared from grocery stores in mid-February.
            3. Hantengri
              Hantengri April 22 2020 11: 05 New
              +4
              Quote: Reptiloid
              It is a pity that now they do not study the works, as before. After all, at school and everywhere later they studied ....

              You can study in different ways. Sometimes the very pedagogical method of "studying" contributes to the formation of a persistent gag reflex. As in universities, sample of the 1980s, and it was.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 22 2020 12: 01 New
                -1
                Quote: HanTengri
                ..... You can study in different ways. Sometimes the very pedagogical method of "studying" contributes to the formation of a persistent gag reflex. As in universities, sample of the 1980s, and it was.
                Greetings, dear Khan.! My parents must have finished 5-6 years earlier. It seems that according to conversations of relatives this was not yet. Or maybe the chip went down? . approximately I compare this with the fact that when I was in school, they began to study mythology. If for example the mythology of the Mayans or Egyptians had a finished look, then everything went wrong with Slavic mythology
                Approximately, as with the preaching of religion. .Some teachers, 5 minutes, as they turned to faith, they said who was what they were and opposed.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus April 22 2020 05: 38 New
    14
    The more time passes since the collapse of socialism and the USSR, the deeper the entire "post-Soviet space" plunges into capitalist hell and nothingness, the more we all understand what this man did for all of us.
    "He's a powerful word
    He led us all to new sources.
    He told us: “To end the torment,
    Take everything into working hands.
    There is no more salvation for you -
    How is your power and your advice. ”

    And we went under the screech of a blizzard,
    Where his eyes looked:
    Let's go where he saw
    Liberation of all tribes ... "
    Happy Birthday Vladimir Ilyich!
    1. DMB 75
      DMB 75 April 22 2020 05: 46 New
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      Everyone understands this now. If they are friends with the head, and not just put food there ...
      Here's another verse on the line April 22 excellent student always read

      Listen to what our children are talking about
      Converging in the morning, they sing:
      “Lenin is the best in the world,
      There is no equal to him! "

      Civil war bullets
      They whistle and beat in the heart
      Children of the land of spanish
      In the morning, converging, they sing:

      "Just dressed, with others
      You lived a simple life
      Let your name rattle
      Lenin, over the whole earth. " *

      * - Song of Spanish children about Lenin. The words Play-and-Beltran. Music by D. Saliman-Vladimirov.
      I always wanted to read, but I was a threesome. You understand, the chances are zero. Here I read.
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 22 2020 06: 20 New
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    I did not understand what the article was about. Lenin, this is a man who sought to improve our lives.
  • apro
    apro April 22 2020 06: 32 New
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    The case of VILenin is the creation of a new civilization based on new principles. The rejection of the notion of profit on the pocket. The common ownership of the means of production. The creation of new mutual relations between people.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 22 2020 07: 04 New
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    Lenin is truly the greatest figure who changed the world !!! Happy 150th birthday Vladimir Ilyich !!!
  • Olegater
    Olegater April 22 2020 07: 07 New
    +6
    Happy birthday, dear VLADIMIR ILYICH LENIN!
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. April 22 2020 07: 11 New
    +7
    A bust of deeds, a bustle of phenomena,
    The day receded, gradually darkening.
    Two in the room: me and Lenin ...,
    From a photograph on a white wall ...
    Comrade Lenin, I am reporting to you,
    Not for the service, but for the soul,
    Comrade Lenin, the work is hellish,
    It will be done and is being done .....
    1. A.TOR
      A.TOR April 22 2020 15: 40 New
      -3
      ... Two in the room: You - and Lenin
      orderlies stand apart.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 22 2020 07: 24 New
    -18
    Stalin underground and "parallel" CPSU

    which, as we see, did not exist and which unsuccessfully tried to create in our country ...China belay :
    Beijing to continue the course towards the creation of a parallel Communist Party. Appeals to this by Beijing Radio and other Chinese media did not last long, were heard less and less, and with the death of Brezhnev in November 1982, they ceased altogether.

    And WHERE tens of millions of their faithful regular Leninists-Stalinistswhole who were carefully brought up by the Leninist government 40 years? belay request

    Where are they millionth demonstrations, strikes, armed uprisings, processions, where their party in exile is in Lausanne, London, i.e. all that was before the thief?

    Ah .... silence. Mystery covered in darkness
    request

    All stranger and more wonderful ... recourse
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 22 2020 07: 40 New
      +3
      Where are their millions of demonstrations, strikes, armed uprisings, ...... why. ??? what country do u want? monuments to tumble down? look for a beg
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  • Million
    Million April 22 2020 08: 08 New
    +9
    Vladimir Ilyich, we remember you!
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 22 2020 08: 27 New
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    Sky morning banner
    The first step in life is important.
    Hear: fly over the country
    Winds of furious attacks!
    And the battle continues again,
    And the heart is anxious in the chest.
    And Lenin is so young
    And young - October is ahead!
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 22 2020 09: 36 New
    +7
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

    It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
    Bury and let it burn in hell.

    You are a troll and a provocateur, burn yourself in .... sad Happy holiday, comrades!
  • tatra
    tatra April 22 2020 09: 47 New
    +3
    If Lenin's supporters were always proud and proud of what they did - both the October Revolution, and the results of their work, and their Victory, then Lenin's enemies cowardly whine that they had nothing to do with what they did in the Soviet period, starting with the Civilian they unleashed with the aim of overthrowing the power of the Bolsheviks and seizing Russia, in the post-Soviet period, starting with their anti-Soviet Perestroika and the results of their highly paid work, and in every possible way they try to slander, discredit the victories and achievements of Lenin and his supporters. And Lenin's enemies have nothing and no one good for their country and people, starting with the head of state.
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  • FIR FIR
    FIR FIR April 22 2020 10: 29 New
    0
    “None of those who betrayed the October Revolution can escape the punishment of history. Khrushchev has long gone bankrupt. But the Brezhnev-Kosygin clique pursues a renegade policy with even greater zeal. The proletariat and working people of the USSR will never forget the covenants of the great Lenin and the great Stalin. They will certainly rise to the revolution under the banner of Leninism, overthrow the dominance of the reactionary revisionist clique and return the Soviet Union to the path of socialism. ”
    There is nothing special to add. If only after the third sentence add the destructive policy of the modern clique ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 17: 54 New
      +1
      Yes, if Kosygin managed to implement his reforms, market ones, by the way, the Union would not have broken up and would have lived in a state with a high standard of living and social support. But this is capitalism! No way!
  • Leo_59
    Leo_59 April 22 2020 11: 12 New
    -1
    Thank. I liked the article, a lot of unknown facts to me. Without personal ratings from the authors. That is how clever it is to write in the historical section.
    For commentators IN - themselves hoo! -Writers;)
    On the topic: with the thoughts of Sages such as Confucius, in my opinion, few argue (fortunately, they were recorded by his students on time). Thoughts these kakby themselves and do not need forced propaganda, slowly penetrating into people. minds.
    What is characteristic, during his lifetime, he acted only by the method of persuasion, including, and above all !, the then rulers. And, surprisingly, he survived !;)
    The methods of introducing beliefs, as the history of mankind shows, are extremely important, especially for posterity.
    They say that even during his lifetime there were real successes and that in China they are very respectful to him now ...
  • saygon66
    saygon66 April 22 2020 11: 18 New
    -7
    - The greatest adventurer! Nothing but admiration ... hi
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 22 2020 11: 28 New
    +5
    A man whom the whole world considers genius, despite the difference in political views. Lenin managed to make the October Revolution, without the participation of Lenin and the help of the German Social Democrats, the November Revolution in Germany was unlikely. But the most ingenious is the NEP, which determined the further development of the world economy. Twice, the principles of the NEP helped the countries of the RSFSR in the 20s and the PRC in the 80-90s make a sharp breakthrough in the economy. And the cries of the liberals, like the disguise of the Mausoleum, speak of their mental level, nothing more. The anniversary of the Great Man is all.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN April 22 2020 11: 51 New
    +7
    The vast majority of us who made the Soviet era wore the badges of the Octobrists and pioneers. Those. they are inextricably linked to our carefree childhood. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin on them was familiar and canonized. But today, April 22, 150 years to this truly Great Man. His name is associated with tectonic changes in world history.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 22 2020 20: 14 New
      0
      Quote: xomaNN
      The vast majority of us who made the Soviet era wore the badges of the Octobrists and pioneers.

      I wore such stars too, they were then made of pure brass with high-quality enamel. The later ones were already plastic, not that, not that ...., it was this generation that wore plastic stars and collapsed the USSR, they all had little sausage, jeans ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 April 22 2020 21: 21 New
        0
        - Well, in what year was that brass? Aluminum were for sure! And plastic, with photo insert ... Komsomol badges were brass.
  • iouris
    iouris April 22 2020 12: 38 New
    +1
    In accordance with the Leninist principle of the "main link", by holding on to which you can stretch the entire chain, we will highlight the main thing. As Lenin taught us, there is nothing more practical than a good theory. The theory is becoming obsolete. The initiative was seized by world capital, which pursues narrow class interests. The reason for all the perturbations is the absence of an alternative center for the development of theory. Without the development of the theoretical foundations for building an "ideal society" (that is, a society that pursues a certain ideal), constructive social and political practice is impossible.
    The project of the USSR was forcibly based on a primitive socio-economic base, while the political model of the USSR was completely unreasonably idealized. She could and should be different. Of course, the Chinese model, which is largely repelled by the political practice of the USSR and denies it, is not a real alternative for objective reasons. There is a strong suspicion that it is rather a National Socialist than a Communist one.
    Conclusion: the communist alternative should be based on the main results and achievements of mankind in the material, technological and spiritual spheres, on overcoming the antagonistic contradiction between the interests of the development of society and the interests of the development of the individual. The methodology for resolving this contradiction is dialectics, not "naked, wasted negation."
    This fully applies to the theoretical legacy (namely the legacy) of V.I. Lenin, the 150th anniversary of his birth, which is celebrated today.
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR April 22 2020 12: 52 New
    -4
    Communism = Soviet power + electrification
    Soviet power = communism - electrification
    Electrification = Communism - Soviet Power
    1. iouris
      iouris April 22 2020 14: 38 New
      0
      Communism - Soviet power = "Rusnano"
      1. A.TOR
        A.TOR April 22 2020 14: 47 New
        -2
        Communism = (Soviet power + electrification) - Soviet power = electrification = "Rusnano"
        those. electrification = "Rusnano"
        on the other hand, "Rusnano" + Soviet power = communism. With codpiece
  • WayKheThuo
    WayKheThuo April 22 2020 13: 07 New
    -2
    What an interesting and informative article - I liked it.
    Author, thanks!
  • Whispering in the night
    Whispering in the night April 22 2020 13: 07 New
    -1
    And how Ukrainians are grateful to Lenin!

  • Pushkar
    Pushkar April 22 2020 13: 42 New
    +1
    The content of the article is completely inconsistent with the title and photographs, do gentlemen have cognitive dissonance?
  • Darek
    Darek April 22 2020 13: 50 New
    -3
    Ulyanov (Lenin) - Jew (Ouch!) Ovsky I will kill (Ouch!) The dock, by whose orders the Russian people were destroyed. And not just people, but one of the best representatives of the then society. The destruction was of a systemic nature. Starting with the ritual murder of the family (with women, children, servants) of the last Russian Tsar and further according to the scheme. The most brutal suppression of peasant uprisings, the most brutal extermination of priests, the destruction of churches, both religious objects and historical monuments, and so on. The list goes on. And why rejoice? Sdo (Ouch!) X and Glory to God.
  • IL-64
    IL-64 April 22 2020 14: 40 New
    -4
    Rare scum guilty of the deaths of millions of Russian citizens. History has put everything in its place
    1. tatra
      tatra April 22 2020 17: 03 New
      +1
      Guilty of the death of TENS of millions of people on the territory of the USSR-YOU, the enemies of Lenin, so if Lenin's supporters were always proud and proud of what they did, that you cowardly whine in chorus that you have nothing to do with what you did in the Soviet the period after your capture and dismemberment of the USSR, and to accountability for the capture and dismemberment of the USSR by you, because you yourself admit to your crimes what you have done. And none of you a priori is able to honestly, objectively, adequately, like people who want good for their country and people, to discuss the history of their country, WHAT and WHO is better for your country and people.
      1. IL-64
        IL-64 April 23 2020 01: 29 New
        -1
        Yes you do not worry so. You will be treated too. By the way, do you know that Lenin’s grandfather was a Jew? Today they told on NTV. Live now with this wassat
        1. tatra
          tatra April 23 2020 09: 16 New
          +1
          Exposing for the crime of the Communists that they put Lenin’s enemies in the psychiatric hospital, Lenin’s enemies themselves are ready to send all dissenters to the psychiatric hospital, and due to mental deceit, Lenin’s enemies always tear out from the general only what is beneficial to them. So from 5 nationalities in the genealogy of Lenin, they pulled out only that which is beneficial to them.
          1. IL-64
            IL-64 3 May 2020 08: 50 New
            -1
            And you will be treated. If you will wear a mask)))) about Ilyich’s syphilis and cohabitation with two women have no objections?)))
  • igorra
    igorra April 22 2020 14: 50 New
    +5
    Yes, we are all shallow before Lenin and our ancestors. Previously, such as we called bourgeois, then the townsfolk, now consumers ...
  • Alex
    Alex April 22 2020 17: 46 New
    +2
    To the 150th anniversary of Lenin:

    All life as a single impulse
    Like a storm she flew.
    Lenin lived without sparing himself
    In the struggle for the working cause.

    Marxism is completely mastered,
    He embodied it in practice.
    Having lived a little while
    In a country of unprecedented hitherto.

    Pushing the story hard
    A short but powerful blow
    Bourgeois bent into the steering wheel -
    He lived his life for a reason!

    Now the "communists" are different.
    Forgot completely about the workers.
    Intentions are kind, good,
    In fact, it doesn’t work out very well.

    Without the power of the working class,
    Without his complete dictatorship -
    The mass will remain powerless
    Workers are fooled and fooled.

    Bourgeois be lackeys
    Only hoping for the election -
    Here you will receive what fate
    Marxism-Leninism forgetting.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 22 2020 17: 55 New
    0
    Personally, I have a very ambiguous attitude towards Lenin. The fuse of the bourgeois system, yes. An ingenious manager of the revolution, yes. An outstanding builder of a new type of political party, a "militant detachment of the proletariat" - yes. A virtuoso political tactician, yes. And now negative ratings. Hater of Russian culture and Russian historical tradition, yes. The builder of a socialist society is more likely no than yes. Erroneously placing "proletarian internationalism" at the forefront - yes, the Communist utopian - yes. Let me explain: socialism in Russia won not because "Russia was backward and bourgeois-weak", but because it is Russia! With its deepest values ​​and the centuries-old archetypal aspiration of the people for just free labor, for mutual assistance, including in the supposedly "immature" environment of the Russian peasantry (90% of the population of Ingushetia, if anything). "How" to make revolutions, "how" to fight the exploiters - thanks to Lenin for these manuals. "How" and "with whom" to build a society of a new type, a society of fair, not equal labor — there is nothing to be thankful for. For people like Lenin, the socialist state should be filled with unrooted "masses", educated from scratch with the slogans of violent leaders. For me, a socialist state should be filled with the Russian people (in a broad sense) with its multinational culture, traditions and millennia-old history, from where all the best comes from, and the worst is singled out and swept aside. There was no communism, no, and there will not be on planet Earth. Socialism, yes, it can be built and maintained.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 22 2020 18: 21 New
      0
      Lenin is the creator of the BEST State for Russia and the Russian / Russian people, in comparison with the Republic of Ingushetia and the "independence" of Lenin's enemies, including Russia, and Lenin's external and internal enemies are all Russophobes, and Lenin's internal enemies are also racists. The USSR is the best state both for the Russian people and for all other nationalities on the territory of the USSR, except for criminals, enemies of the country and the people and worthless parasites on the neck of the people.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 22 2020 18: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: Arlen
    The basis of Lenin's analysis and his work remains relevant always. In modern conditions, every day we have new evidence of the correctness of Lenin's position and his theory.

    Dear comrades and comrades!
    If, of course, it does not bother you, then explain to the Dilettante what kind of "shisha", the fugitive sworn attorney V. Ulyanov, who never worked anywhere, lived in Switzerland (which was never a cheap country) and at the same time supported his wife, mother-in-law, mistress. In addition, he published the newspaper Iskra. In addition to Switzerland, he moved now to London, then to Paris, then again to Switzerland.
    As you know, he never unloaded wagons anywhere, and Nadezhda Konstantinovna didn’t wash the porches anywhere. A financial genius, however.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 20: 08 New
      0
      Assistant attorney. He was not allowed to defend himself. Really: what shisha? And Stalin at the same time drove the wolves in Turukhansk.
    2. impostor
      impostor April 22 2020 20: 42 New
      0
      Ready to present to the studio paychecks or advises of Kaiser Germany? No? So I didn’t work out 30 pieces of silver ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 April 22 2020 21: 40 New
        -1
        - This is not an answer but a hitting! And yet - where did the money come from?
        - And they were obviously not enough ... Why would someone Dzhugashvili be engaged in the expropriation of the expropriators ... And you immediately: "Fall ... fall ..." (C)
      2. Amateur
        Amateur April 23 2020 06: 14 New
        +1
        Ready to present to the studio paychecks or advises of Kaiser Germany?

        Read the memoirs of A.I. Denikin. All this is there.
        1. impostor
          impostor April 23 2020 12: 50 New
          0
          Memoirs?! This is not even funny. Come with memoirs to any loyer, he will explain everything in detail.
          1. Amateur
            Amateur April 23 2020 13: 01 New
            -1
            Come with memoirs to any loyer, he will explain everything in detail.

            I’m not a judge to listen to lawyers. Well, those who wish can read and draw conclusions themselves. By the way, in 1921 the officers still fired for libel or because of a loss of reputation. These are not current zhurnalyugi.
            Denikin A.I. Essays on Russian Troubles. - Paris, 1921
            1. impostor
              impostor April 24 2020 22: 40 New
              0
              Journalists in your world earn the same money as the oldest profession, at least try to study the issue of admissibility of evidence yourself.
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 April 22 2020 21: 37 New
      0
      - No answer? And it won’t be ...
      - And this cannot but rejoice, because any sane person understands: Every unreasoned "minus" in a virtual discussion will in reality turn into a Khmer Rouge stick, with which the neo-Bolsheviks, revised and enlarged edition, will break the skulls of opponents as voluptuously as they put minuses to those who dare express disagreement ....
      - Such here
      simple and time-tested answer to all uncomfortable questions ....
      1. impostor
        impostor April 23 2020 12: 46 New
        +1
        The answer, a painful one, is in the right pocket of Stalin's overcoat, his only property inheritance. And who is sane here is a debatable question. Anyone who leaves behind one overcoat is not without sanity, for, firstly, it relies on the ideology that is absolutely opposite to your brother’s worldview, and secondly, it is aware that there are no pockets in the coffin. So that your vile mercantile creeps better send to their owners, who will have to answer such questions, sooner or later, but under the beam of a table lamp aimed directly at the face. So it didn’t grow up, my friend, your brother’s not just a Khmer red stick, but also a straw, which would only grab the board of the last ship, sailing from the port of Odessa. You, sorry to try to trample in the mud the names of the most progressive, ever known history, will always be waiting for a public flogging.
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 April 23 2020 13: 28 New
          0
          - Ours doesn’t ... Unfortunately! And then such ghouls would have long been transferred ...
          - I’m only glad that you don’t know how to convince you of their rightness ... To frighten - yes! Destroy - of course! But this is a failed strategy - this is where your predecessors flew.
          - The undisguised hatred of those who disagree that you are demonstrating here will help determine the choice of the side, those who still believe in a bright socialist future - with such bloodthirsty bastards at the head ... These zealous wrestlers became the reason for the complete discredit of all bright ideas .. Kill all dissenters, providing an indefinitely bright future with the faithful! So do not cover up the idea of ​​your personal, atrocious aspirations!
          - And you could not answer the question about financing the revolution ... If only Savva Morozov would have mentioned the same - so, for an answer ... Comrade "Mauser" solves all the problems?
          1. impostor
            impostor April 24 2020 18: 29 New
            0
            Do not tremble so frankly ... it is disgusting to see even a class enemy, but in such an obscene form, and it was only worth stepping on a corn with the truth. Don't worry, comrade "Mauser", although he was clearly underworked in his time - the Chinese comrades can confirm, but the truth is stronger than the bill for the bullet sent to the relatives of his counterparty. You will devour yourself like spiders in a bank, all prerequisites for this, judging by the realities, are being formed at full speed. And for the future, have at least a little bit of conscience not to crap on the bright memory of people who have done as much for their people as has not been done in history. And don't print sentimental posters about the "horrors" of communism. How do not try to pass yourself off as saints - the image of the savior can never be pulled onto the bourgeois icon of sin.
            1. saygon66
              saygon66 April 24 2020 22: 18 New
              0
              - To be afraid of you personally and of your accomplices - not to respect yourself! And with the class enemy - they also cheated on liquid: although I am a "lumpen", but still a "proletarian"!
              - And it’s not about the blessed memory of Lenin, but about the next benefactors of mankind ... Are you eager to pull on a commissar’s leather jacket, to close up with such a red inquisitor ...
              - Is it tempting to cover up your sadistic inclinations with a red banner?
              - Answer the person the question: Where did the funds for the revolution come from?
              1. impostor
                impostor April 24 2020 22: 46 New
                0
                You see, one-on-one. Nobody here. I can throw a glove into your identity. PM satisfied? What accomplices ?! I have not clarified enough about the property status of the leaders of the proletariat? Suppose I’m not an oracle, read the latest news - on Ilyich’s account in Switzerland - 5 francs. Stop kneading the dough - choose PM, APS, TT?
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 April 24 2020 22: 58 New
                  0
                  - Yes, I do not care - the technique is familiar ... If the TT then the cartridges - at your expense!
                  - On the question of the disinterestedness of leaders - the whole difference is in the size of the pocket .... The former had the whole country in their pocket, the present - what was stolen ...
                  - And, by the way, to which wing of the Communist Party do you belong, if not secret? There is a desire to go to the party office on Kirov Street - to talk about the sanity of some adherents ... If I stay alive after a duel I will stay ...
                  1. impostor
                    impostor April 24 2020 23: 03 New
                    0
                    CPSU. Do not be distructed. Time, place, weapons - your choice!
                    1. saygon66
                      saygon66 April 24 2020 23: 12 New
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                      - I repeat ... Any of the systems you have listed.
                      - I do not invite you to Kaliningrad, the gimp with the virus will end - I will consider the possibility of going "to the mainland." Or you can entrust your noble mission to your comrades-in-arms in the struggle - if they are in our places ...
                      1. impostor
                        impostor April 24 2020 23: 15 New
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                        That is, moved out, Mr. good, liberal? And I would like to end the journey, if destined, in Baltiysk.
                      2. saygon66
                        saygon66 April 24 2020 23: 18 New
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                        - I will provide such an opportunity ... I visit there periodically ... I will be in Greater Russia - I will notify publicly, through this resource ...
                      3. impostor
                        impostor April 24 2020 23: 22 New
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                        You have no reason to ignore the call, so the shooter may have one of you, but I don’t see the officer.
                      4. saygon66
                        saygon66 April 24 2020 23: 28 New
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                        - I do not have the honor of belonging to the officer corps ... And therefore, following the dueling code, I challenge the senior rank (if this is so - I have no opportunity ...) I refuse to shoot in protest, especially because of political disagreements !
                      5. impostor
                        impostor April 24 2020 23: 43 New
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                        The lack of skill in handling cold, handgun combat hand weapons is indeed the basis for not being brought to justice (Flos Duellatorum in Armis of Fiore dei Liberi). However, I would not have the slightest remorse ...
                    2. impostor
                      impostor April 24 2020 23: 28 New
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                      If you decide to protect the honor - write in a personal, I will accept the challenge. I have the honor.
                    3. saygon66
                      saygon66 April 24 2020 23: 54 New
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                      - Questions of political convictions cannot be equated with questions of honor ...
                      - I’ll inform you as soon as possible.
                      -
                    4. impostor
                      impostor April 24 2020 23: 59 New
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                      I'm waiting. Believe me, I'm waiting.
                    5. impostor
                      impostor April 25 2020 00: 17 New
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                      Saigon 66, go to dido in Chernivtsi, you don’t need tobi, lie in the Ukrainian land, live and think about the Dithins. Forget about my call, I blundered Malekh. Raise children and think about the horizons of your country.
  • impostor
    impostor April 22 2020 18: 47 New
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    Happy holiday, comrades! I am proud of my Komsomol ticket!
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE April 22 2020 19: 06 New
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    I remember the hands of Lenin
    Stalin's eyes ...
    But, Sergeyevich came,
    And to everything - this, "star"! ..
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 19: 38 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    Duc the top of the Bolshevik Communists and ruined the country, taking everything away from the people laughing The collapse of the Union and further privatization by whom was headed?

    Reborn, traitors, Judas, whoever they are !. Do not confuse pretending, clinging to and taking advantage of the true fighters for the cause of the Proletarian Revolution. The counter-revolution goes far beyond 90 ...
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 19: 43 New
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    Quote: Krasnodar
    I agree - but this does not cancel the fact of the collapse of the USSR by the Communists.

    These are not COMMUNISTS !!! One name is reborn! You can be KGB by name and worship Western "partners".
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 22 2020 21: 30 New
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      This is the communists. As soon as the whip ceased to whistle above their head, they immediately became rotten. While they were periodically shot, they kept within. What kind of party is one that needs a shepherd with a whip?
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 19: 51 New
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    Quote: Bar1
    it is interesting what the classics of Marxism-Leninism would say if they knew that their theory had failed, that after socialism capitalism again came, and even a nationalist, sort of national capitalism. The answer is obvious all these theories of the dialectics of class society are not just bluffs, but deliberate misleading of humanity.

    The practice failed ... The theory and dream of progressive humanity about freedom, equality and fraternity will hover in the minds of MANKIND (not consumers) always until the universal death!
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 19: 56 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Happy birthday to the great Lenin.

    It is time to take it out of the mausoleum and clean the main square of the country from this mummy.
    Bury and let it burn in hell.

    Any mongrel can now urinate on the deathbed of the Titan of the World Proletarian Revolution, that's why she is a mongrel. In our time, and did not have time to squeak ... Ay, Pug! know she is strong, What barks at the Elephant! ".. What is your honor, dear !?
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 20: 25 New
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    Quote: Free Wind
    I did not understand what the article was about. Lenin, this is a man who sought to improve our lives.

    Quite right, in an article about the Leader only in context.
    In his younger years, he also did not take his works for proper reading. Only now, when it is vital "What to do !?" and "How long will this gloom last !?" referring to his works. It is a pity that so little was given to the life of a genius!
    I was trying to understand by date whether there were such Titans in the history of Russia or the world !? It turns out, no! Peter the 1st is the greatest builder, but within the framework of Russia. In other states as well. IN AND. Ulyanov (Lenin) is a thinker, organizer, philosopher, practitioner, leader of the working people of the world scale. His example, the legacy of his ideas and methods of the revolutionary struggle, the fact of the existence of the Country of the Labor People were the impetus and soil for social revolutions and national liberation movements around the world!
    It is not for nothing that the name of Lenin is so disgusting to the bourgeoisie of the whole world, the bourgeois authorities of modern Russia. His shadow does not allow them to calmly count the profits and sleep at night! Glory to the Leader of the world proletariat V.I. Lenin!
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 22 2020 20: 26 New
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    Only Vladimir Ilyich pleases me. And drips a beneficial balm warm on the soul. After so many years .. And Ilyich-heart warms.
    Let the opponents begin to tear me.
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 20: 41 New
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    Quote: Reptiloid
    Well, I can’t believe that profanity is right everywhere. I agree, could it take place somewhere, but not everywhere?
    Not always? Although then profanity, apparently, spread, why did the year 91 come?

    By 91, the CPSU had finally disintegrated, in the first place its top, and the people lulled by its slogans "everything for the people, everything in the name of the working people" rested in the established inaction and indifference. It seemed that all the advantages of socialism would be forever! The enemy, the bourgeoisie, is cunning. All you need is a box of cookies (1pc) and a barrel of jam (1pc) so that the bad guys (0,01-1% of the population) blew up the powder magazines .. And the People woke up from their rumble, and capitalism around them, from factories, collective farms, hospitals, sanatoriums , kindergartens and so on. - a large funnel. The slogans have changed. Man is a wolf to man. Eat the other or he will devour you! Consume (if you can !?)! etc.
    Trouble came from where they did not wait ... But what to do !? Read Lenin!
  • Amper
    Amper April 22 2020 20: 53 New
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    Quote: Amateur
    Quote: Arlen
    The basis of Lenin's analysis and his work remains relevant always. In modern conditions, every day we have new evidence of the correctness of Lenin's position and his theory.

    Dear comrades and comrades!
    If, of course, it does not bother you, then explain to the Dilettante what kind of "shisha", the fugitive sworn attorney V. Ulyanov, who never worked anywhere, lived in Switzerland (which was never a cheap country) and at the same time supported his wife, mother-in-law, mistress. In addition, he published the newspaper Iskra. In addition to Switzerland, he moved now to London, then to Paris, then again to Switzerland.
    As you know, he never unloaded wagons anywhere, and Nadezhda Konstantinovna didn’t wash the porches anywhere. A financial genius, however.

    You, my dear, are interested in what funds the Great October Revolution took place! The details do not matter - the main thing is the result! For what and for whom it was done! (And if you are interested in purely "selfish" aspects, then compare with what capital the revolutionaries and modern counter-revolutionaries passed away and what goals, and by what means (for what pardon "grandmothers") their successors achieved. What honor does everyone have!? The country of the Soviets from semi-serfdom Russia Micky2go has become a superpower in 30 years, then what was the superpower turned into by 30 years of domination by the bourgeois "elite", headed by an eternal scrubber in toilets!
    1. Amateur
      Amateur April 23 2020 13: 22 New
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      You, my dear, are interested in how the Great October Revolution took place!
      I am interested in what means Lenin lived in Switzerland for almost 10 years "with children and households"
      If the Country of Soviets from semi-serfdom Russia Mikki2go has become a superpower in 30 years,
      What does Lenin have to do with this? His last economic successes - NEP, i.e. return to bourgeois economy. In 1922, he actually retired and died in 1924. "The course towards industrialization was outlined by the XV Congress of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in December 1927, which instructed to draw up the first five-year plan. (Vicki). These are the merits of J.V. Stalin.
      But
      What has been turned into a superpower by 30 years of domination by the bourgeois "elite", headed by an eternal wrecker in toilets !?
      What does it have to do with Lenin, Stalin, or my comments on this article?
      As a statesman said: "Flies separately, cutlets separately"
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 22 2020 21: 35 New
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    Among other things, Lenin is worthy of respect as a man who brilliantly "threw" the world caste of bankers who wanted to achieve the collapse of Russia. In fact, with their money, he built the USSR to replace the crumbling RI.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav April 22 2020 21: 42 New
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    Comrades, this is my personal opinion, in the old mausoleum, to bury the remains of Lenin and next to transfer the ashes of comrade Dzhugashvili to the mausoleum, write Lenin Stalin is a tribute to the memory of making these backward countries a terrible rival to goats from the United States for all these soros, etc.
  • Red Bogatyr
    Red Bogatyr April 22 2020 22: 57 New
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    Universal belief in revolution is already the beginning of revolution

    Ideas become power when they take over the masses

    Indifference is the tacit support of one who is strong, one who dominates

    We will work to introduce the rule: “all for one and one for all”, the rule: “each according to his abilities, each according to his needs” in order to introduce into the consciousness, habit, daily routine of the masses, in order to introduce communist discipline gradually but steadily and communist labor

    We cannot do without romance. An excess of it is better than a disadvantage. We always sympathized with revolutionary romantics, even when we did not agree with them.

    PS I think you do not need to sign;) and again !!! WITH THE HOLIDAY, COMRADE !!!!!
  • IL-64
    IL-64 April 23 2020 01: 37 New
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    Poor Nadenka Krupskaya. What it was like for her to endure being drawn into the "Swedish family" by this moral corruption
  • Felix Chuykov
    Felix Chuykov April 23 2020 18: 04 New
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    Candle

    In a biased separate country
    Clarifies bridges breeding
    And in every unbroken day -
    Great world birth!

    Felix Chuykov

    April 22 2020 years
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper April 23 2020 21: 57 New
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    Well, you must. I read one and a half hundred comments and was surprised that there were no questions about who is to blame "why there is no water in the tap"
    But then everything returned to normal. winked
  • Artashes
    Artashes April 26 2020 02: 17 New
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    Socialism and its ideals degenerated and betrayed in stages, in all directions. The same thing happened with the Communist Parties. It is easiest to blame EVERYTHING on the West: the leaders of the socialist countries and their communist parties bought into the collapse, not the West. RAVE was Mao Zedong in 1962, addressing Khrushchev with his forecast: "You started with Stalin, and finish the matter with the destruction of the CPSU and the Soviet Union."
    In general, betrayal first "For the Motherland, for Stalin!", Then the USSR - by "communists", war veterans, military men, leaders, the KGB - UNIQUE in scale. And it requires detailed research and publications.