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In India, they said that Russia again proposes together to create a 5th generation fighter

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The Indian Air Force needs a super-heavy, high-performance combat aircraft to be able to withstand the growing military capabilities of its neighbors. And as such, New Delhi is considering the possibility of purchasing the latest Russian Su-57s.


But as an alternative, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov offers the Indian side to return to the previously stopped joint Russian-Indian project to create a fifth-generation FGFA fighter.

About this writes the Indian edition of Indian Defense News.

Denis Manturov considers it possible and necessary to conclude a contract for the development of a new military aircraft using Indian defense technologies.

Although India has shown interest in the new Russian Su-57 heavy fighter, it is not in a hurry to acquire it, because the new fifth-generation Russian aircraft has not even entered service with the Russian Air Force. Perhaps in New Delhi they expect an assessment of its characteristics in practice, and only then will they decide on a purchase.

It is also likely that India will purchase a trial batch of Su-57 in Russia to first assess the capabilities of the fighter, and only after that conclude a contract for their joint production.

Recall that earlier in India they criticized the FGFA program. Either the Indian side was not satisfied with the price parameters, then the characteristics of the engines, then the level of "stealth" coverage.
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  1. Prahlad
    Prahlad April 16 2020 13: 57 New
    -12
    It will be difficult to finish, given the financial crisis, maybe even make concessions in terms of technology transfer.
    But it’s better than a formal party. At least we will have real troops
    1. Mastodon
      Mastodon April 16 2020 14: 05 New
      0
      Something Indians stir up ..! We know their cunning nature, again they freeze something
      Is the technology completely? But figs to you .. tongue
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire April 16 2020 19: 21 New
        +4
        Something Indians stir up ..! We know their cunning nature, again they freeze something

        Time works for us, they too began to realize this.
        We will see it will be interesting. hi
    2. knn54
      knn54 April 16 2020 14: 36 New
      0
      India retained $ 9 billion - its "contribution" (according to the agreements) in this project,
      Itself will not pull, France does not have 5 generation aircraft. The Yankees will ONLY sell the F-35, no more.
      There is no third.
  2. The comment was deleted.
    1. venik
      venik April 16 2020 14: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: September 3rd
      What does it mean: "offers the Indian side to return to the previously stopped joint Russian-Indian project to create a fifth generation fighter FGFA"?

      ========
      Essentially, this means developing "export"versions with the use of Indian" technologies ", but most importantly - for THEIR MONEY! And we don't have to" break our heads "- WHAT to replace what we DO NOT WANT and CANNOT (!), and through India, get to" sanctioned "(for us) materials and components ..... Well, in general - something like" Brahmos ".....
  3. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 16 2020 14: 02 New
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    Quote: Prahlad
    It will be difficult to finish, given the financial crisis,
    - it will be difficult to start .. with such partners. the inconstancy of this partner is already going wild.
    1. Mastodon
      Mastodon April 16 2020 14: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: Atlant-1164
      the inconstancy of this partner is already going wild.

      Not that word !!!!! They are just slobs in weapon standards negative
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 16 2020 14: 22 New
      +5
      India maneuvered, maneuvered, but did not fish ...
      Mig-35 I want, no, I don't want
      Eurofighter want, don't want ..
      then Rafal, then FGFA,
      then Rafal, then F18,
      then 36 rafals, now again the resuscitation of the FGFA ..
      One serious contract SU-30MKI still maintains the air force afloat.
      Without it, there would have been just a disaster for the rearmament of the air force.
      1. whitebeard
        whitebeard April 16 2020 15: 33 New
        +3
        "The psychology of a poor man" on the scale of an entire country, which is large, but poor, so they need a lot of everything, but everything is expensive. So they dance endlessly in front of the windows of the coveted, but inaccessible military goods. "I want to, and inject, and the Vedas do not command")) Well, + corruption, of course
  4. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 16 2020 14: 04 New
    0
    Indian Air Force needs super heavy high performance combat aircraft

    Heavyweight? PACK YES want something? And where is the Su-57?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 16 2020 14: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      PACK YES want something?

      These gypsies themselves do not know what they need. Seven Fridays of the week.
  5. bar
    bar April 16 2020 14: 09 New
    0
    Denis Manturov invites the Indian side to return to the previously stopped joint Russian-Indian project to create a fifth generation fighter

    But proud Indians refuse again? Or are they going to organize endless tenders with muddy results again?
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 16 2020 14: 10 New
    0
    Superheavy? Is it like mig31?
  7. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 16 2020 14: 13 New
    0
    Who and what offers whom is hidden from the eyes and ears of strangers, but informational stuffing is done specifically to induce a partner to some kind of reaction through publicity. Because such articles, read and forgot.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 April 16 2020 14: 23 New
    0
    Difficult, dreary ... but there is some sense in this.
    One thing can be seen, the assertion that the giraffe is big, he knows better, is not enough, in this particular case!
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 16 2020 14: 27 New
    0
    Many countries gained access to aviation technology during a crisis with the owner of such technology.
  10. tarabar
    tarabar April 16 2020 14: 33 New
    +3
    If the previous deal was canceled by the dancers, I hope that when we conclude a new one, according to the classics, more stringent conditions will be put forward, because our product flies and is preparing to enter the army, we have brought it to marketability on our own and an additional passenger in terms of production will be superfluous. Buyer, yes, please for real money, and in order to join the technology and production, here the Indians have to offer something substantial. Especially since they were raped by the white gentlemen with Rafales, they are already aware and somewhat annoyed. And we still offered them equal partnership.
  11. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill April 16 2020 15: 00 New
    -4
    Russia again proposes to create a fifth generation fighter together

    Well, we offer, not Indians. It’s clear that we need money. It is necessary to complete the Su-57, in the end, then. Yes, and not only finish, but also put on the conveyor. And here the Indians' money will not be superfluous.
    The question is different: is it necessary for the Indians? Why did the Indians leave the FGFA?
    Here is a quote:
    Representatives of the Indian Air Force called the reason for leaving the program that the Russian Su-57 did not meet the stated requirements for secrecy. In addition, the Indian side believes that the combat avionics, radars and sensors of the Russian development allegedly do not meet the standards of the fifth generation.


    At the same time, the Indian military says that they can later revise plans for the FGFA program or will purchase serial models of the Su-57 if the characteristics of its final version meet the requirements of the Indian Ministry of Defense.

    How much has changed since 2017? Can we get Indians interested? Question!
  12. Karaul15
    Karaul15 April 16 2020 15: 18 New
    -6
    For the Hindus, this would be one of the best options, if they refuse it, then with the TTX the Su-57 is in complete disaster.
    1. shonsu
      shonsu April 17 2020 02: 14 New
      0
      They want these performance characteristics, but they want it for free. So what does a plane cost us $ 50 million? Nobody will sell military technology at cost or with a minimal margin. Su-35s cost us $ 30 million, and China bought them for $ 84 million, and nothing worth buying. Those Indians gave Rafali about $ 200 million apiece, the full price of the contract. And the French did the right thing, what is the point of selling high-tech equipment without accompaniment to a backward country? Then they will yell to the whole world that it does not fly. Because it’s not possible for the Papuans to explain what Android is (I’m figuratively, normal programmers in India, but nothing more).
      1. shonsu
        shonsu April 17 2020 02: 26 New
        0
        Oops. For what? )
      2. Karaul15
        Karaul15 April 17 2020 08: 28 New
        -3
        Quote: shonsu
        They want these performance characteristics, but they want it for free. So what does a plane cost us $ 50 million? Nobody will sell military technology at cost or with a minimal margin. Su-35s cost us $ 30 million, and China bought them for $ 84 million, and nothing worth buying. Those Indians gave Rafali about $ 200 million apiece, the full price of the contract. And the French did the right thing, what is the point of selling high-tech equipment without accompaniment to a backward country? Then they will yell to the whole world that it does not fly. Because it’s not possible for the Papuans to explain what Android is (I’m figuratively, normal programmers in India, but nothing more).
        Given the participation in the program, it would also cost them cheaply, they would also be produced under a license, only when they got acquainted with the characteristics, they decided that even Rafal would be better at three.
        1. shonsu
          shonsu April 17 2020 10: 18 New
          +1
          Why then do they dance around this contract? If the plane is bad, then they would have forgotten with the end.
          1. Karaul15
            Karaul15 April 17 2020 12: 08 New
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            Quote: shonsu
            Why then do they dance around this contract? If the plane is bad, then they would have forgotten with the end.
            Who is dancing? India left the project. It is Russia that offers her to enter it again.
  13. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 April 16 2020 15: 30 New
    +2
    Better they build vimanas, it’s closer to them and there is technology from their ancestors
  14. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 16 2020 15: 57 New
    0
    Quote: whitebeard
    "The psychology of a poor man" on the scale of an entire country, which is large, but poor, so they need a lot of everything, but everything is expensive. So they dance endlessly in front of the windows of the coveted, but inaccessible military goods. "I want to, and inject, and the Vedas do not command")) Well, + corruption, of course

    It’s hard to believe that Rafali is cheaper for them than our MIG-35 or SU-35. The French put such price tags, horror! So it’s far from poverty and budget ..
  15. slipped
    slipped April 16 2020 16: 47 New
    +2
    India has little choice - either they buy an export version of the Su-57 with the Russian cut-down avionics, or they make their own FGFA with full-fledged Indian avionics under the Make in India program. Not, of course, the landlord - they don't want to do their own - they will buy someone else's ...
  16. APASUS
    APASUS April 16 2020 17: 04 New
    +1
    I think it’s not worth contacting the Indians or discussing everything as a separate item, up to the color of the rivets! When ours complied with the requirements of the Indians in the construction of ships for the Navy, it turned out very difficult, expensive and time-consuming.In essence, these were completely different ships, the Indians wanted to cram everything there in the world, regardless of the specification, standards and displacement of the ships.
  17. alexmach
    alexmach April 16 2020 17: 55 New
    0
    Cry - cry, dance, dance
  18. Alf
    Alf April 16 2020 19: 32 New
    +2
    But as an alternative, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov offers the Indian side to return to the previously stopped joint Russian-Indian project to create a fifth-generation FGFA fighter.

    I go nuts, dear colleagues .. The Hindus shook and shook our nerves, finally left the program. Manturov SAM invites these unreliable "tovarischas" to start joint development again. Didn't the last kidok teach you anything? Why do we suggest ourselves? Or the loot is over? If only Manturov put on black glasses ..
  19. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 17 2020 10: 50 New
    0
    Lord)) dancers decide whether or not)))
  20. Mentat
    Mentat April 17 2020 11: 04 New
    0
    Quote: shonsu
    I figuratively, normal programmers in India

    The Boeing case hints, as it were, to put it mildly, not always. And the phrase "Hindu code" has already become a meme among programmers.
  21. Mentat
    Mentat April 17 2020 11: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Alf
    But as an alternative, the head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov offers the Indian side to return to the previously stopped joint Russian-Indian project to create a fifth-generation FGFA fighter.

    I go nuts, dear colleagues .. The Hindus shook and shook our nerves, finally left the program. Manturov SAM invites these unreliable "tovarischas" to start joint development again. Didn't the last kidok teach you anything? Why do we suggest ourselves? Or the loot is over? If only Manturov put on black glasses ..

    So they write what we offer them, i.e. some specific journalist. This has not happened in our media. Find, share the link.