Tank panopticon


Cowen Steam Armored Car, 1855


About tanks with love. Today we will begin another series of articles in which the "pictorial" part, let us say so, will prevail over the textual. Let it be our kind tank Murzilka and Young Technician in one package. And the stories about various interesting tank moments will come from illustrations. And then I recently read an article “about armor” on VO, but I didn’t see any interesting illustrations in it ... At least there will be an interesting “video sequence”, and maybe something interesting will be found in the text ... In addition, today in Russia we have a fashion for everything “remote”, here we are “remotely” today we will visit a rather unusual museum of armored vehicles and look at its exhibits.

Judging by the first illustration, the desire to mislead one's neighbor and not get anything in return may have been manifested by people for a very long time, but in the mechanical flesh it really only began to clothe itself in the era of steam. So the steam armored car, Cowen, proposed in 1855, was one of the first such developments, but they didn’t give the project a go, because the then British Prime Minister Disraeli considered him uncivilized! And it’s interesting that this shows the extremely low cost of human life. Groshovy, you could say. One has only to recall the attack of the light cavalry brigade near Balaclava ... She was admired, but it was a massacre, not a war, for this it was necessary to judge those responsible. People did not understand that it was necessary to fight so that your opponent was already connected in advance and lay face down in the dust, and you ... could do anything with him ... However, it was obvious that the five wheels on Cowen’s car made it difficult to control, that the roads it needs high quality, and most importantly, a lot of such machines will be needed to protect Britain. The fact is that there was a ring road project around the coast. And so that BA Cowen would patrol her and, if there was a threat of landing, would come to a dangerous place! Of course, then no one would dare to build a road in various difficult places.


Armored Car Pancho Villa

At the same time, the design idea of ​​the past was often very modern. For example, look at this "barn on wheels." This is the armored car of the Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa. It had a searchlight and loopholes for the installation of four machine guns "Hotchkiss." But the most interesting thing in it is the two-layer armor, between which the “sea grass” was laid. Interestingly, both sheets were pierced by a Mauser bullet at close range. But if grass was laid between them, then they could not do it!


Armored Tractor "Akhtyrets"

During the First World War and the Civil War, Russian engineers failed to create their own, Russian tank. But on the other hand, they created a mass of unique wheeled and tracked vehicles based on foreign equipment, which clearly indicates their ingenuity and dexterity. They were made by both red and white, and sometimes very “solid” and well-armed cars were produced. Here, for example, is how this armored car, armed with a pair of machine guns in the turret and a 76,2 mm gun in the aft casemate!


Armored Car "Vana Pagan"

However, this was what they did in many countries in those years. For example, in Estonia such an armored car “Vana Pagan” was made, also with a casemate arrangement of weapons.


Czechoslovak armored car RA-III (OA-27), 1927

In the 20s of the last century, all countries were content with armored vehicles during the First World War, only a few began R&D in this area. In particular, Czechoslovakia was one of such countries, creating a whole series of very original armored vehicles, the so-called steel turtles. They differed from earlier armored cars in their symmetrical shape and the presence of two control posts, which gave them the opportunity to move back and forth without turning around. In addition, the armored corners of the hull on them were located at different, sometimes very fancifully located angles, which, as the creators of these BA hoped, would provide a rebound to the bullets that hit them. But the armor itself was thin: 3-5,5 mm nickel-chromium steel.


A tank developed by the engineers of the Aberdeen Proving Ground to the peak of the U. Christie tank

As you can see, it turned out “something”: a tower with a 12,7 mm machine gun and 7,62 mm anti-aircraft gun, two pairs of driving wheels at the rear and a pair of steering wheels in front. Christie didn’t allow the car engine to develop high speeds, the armor was thin, and the bulwark from the drive wheels of the car drive constantly came off, hitting obstacles.

But after 1929 and the advent of the Christie wheeled-tracked tank, especially the 1931 model, a fashion for high-speed tanks appeared. And it’s funny that the American military, who tested his tank, didn’t want to buy it, but ordered their engineers to construct something similar, but better and cheaper. Better and cheaper!


Another attempt to get around W. Christie: the T7 cavalry tank with a hull from the M2 tank and wheeled-tracked chassis. There were two options: on wheels with molded “rubber band” and wheels such as automobiles, with cameras filled with sponge rubber. Neither one nor the other joined the army, although the M1931 tank almost caught up with the speed


German Grossstractor

Interestingly, the Germans began experimenting with new tanks at the same time as the British. One of their first tanks 1928-1929. Grossstrakttor is a two-turret tank similar to the French 2C. Six vehicles were delivered unassembled to the USSR, after which they were used to train German and Soviet tankmen at the Kama training ground.


T-46-5 - the first Soviet tank with anti-shell armor

In early 1937, the Soviet engineer S.A. Ginzburg on the basis of the T-46 tank, created at the factory No. 174, developed the design of the T-111 tank, which was given the T-46-5 index at the factory. The hull of the tank was planned to be assembled from sheets of cemented armor, and when they were docked, electric welding was to be used. He survived in the crucible of repression literally by a miracle and still managed to finish his tank with armor 60 mm thick. Interestingly, the development of the T-46-5 tank was also attended by M.I. Koshkin, one of the future creators of the T-34. Before he got to the Kharkov Locomotive Plant, he worked in Leningrad at plant No. 185 as Deputy S. A. Ginzburg and for participating in the development of the T-46-5 tank was awarded the Order of the Red Star. The tank, however, “did not go.” Weak gun, weak motor - all this put an end to it. But this is how useful experience accumulated!


Tank destroyer on the chassis of the Pz 38d with a 75-mm cannon RAK-43. There are practically no alterations to the chassis. A gun and an armored shield - that's the whole car!

What are the benefits of visiting our virtual museum? We can see in it machines that really did not exist, but were developed and were known not only by drawings, but also in layouts. On them you can trace all the “bends” of design thought in search of effective solutions. Well, for example, in the same Czechoslovakia, German tank specialists who worked side by side with Czechs, seeing that the caliber of the guns and the thickness of the armor are growing, but the chassis of the mass tank ChKD 38t no longer allows you to create a full tank equal to the T-34, tried Nevertheless, use it to the maximum.


Experiments have shown that if the number of wheels is increased and the chassis is lengthened, then even a 128-mm gun and 150-mm howitzer can be put on it. But late, they thought of it!


Projects of German self-propelled guns on the "light" and medium chassis "

It was quite simple to turn up nothing at all in the chassis of the Pz 38d, but only to increase the distance between the wheels. So there was a "light chassis", and on its basis, projects of new self-propelled guns with 88-mm guns were also developed. But the top, so to speak, of German-Czechoslovak creativity (in the sense of originality!) Was the self-propelled guns on the "middle chassis with a rising tower and a 105-mm howitzer. Raised it, shot it, lowered it ... Convenient for action due to ambushes and hocks!

Well, the Germans also tried to use ordinary, not improved chassis, for a wide variety of new products. For example, as a carrier of a killer 240-mm recoilless weapon, capable of destroying any tank from the first shot with a direct hit by a shell.


Self-propelled guns with a 240 mm recoilless gun


They even tried to turn an ordinary Ost tractor, even that one, into a platform for a 75-mm anti-tank gun. No armor, no seats. Boards threw back and sit yourself, fight. The armor was only on the driver’s cab and on the gun’s armor shield

In our panopticon there will be many American cars. You can insert pre-war and military, but today we will limit ourselves to a number of post-war samples. Who, for example, says that the era of multi-tower tanks took place at the beginning of World War II?


Here in front of you is the Hunter tank with just two towers. But he didn’t go to the series


American heavy tank N-3. The disease, which our designers finished getting sick in August 41st, and the Germans in 45th, lasted among American engineers until 1950 ...


American nuclear tank TV-1. Instead of an engine, it had a nuclear reactor and frontal armor 305 mm thick. But two crews were needed due to increased radiation and a high salary. Here is the tank and "did not go"

Now we look at the tanks "for the poor." Egypt received military aid M-113 from the USA in military aid. But he didn’t receive Zul “Zolotoy Vulkan”. And from the USSR - ZU-23 and MANPADS "Strela". They crossed everything and got this: M113 “Sinai” - two 23-mm anti-aircraft guns and four “Arrows”. The funniest thing in this car is the boxes with shells carried outside the tower. But how to recharge? Do you see hatches on the roof left and right? The tower turned back and forth and reloading was carried out through the hatches. But your own anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex!


M113 "Sinai"


But when the United States-supplied Colombian BA M8 became obsolete at once, the Colombians turned them into such police armored cars ...


Those Egyptians turned the Soviet tank T-34-85 into self-propelled guns with a 122-mm howitzer D-30. And they managed to place it in a rotating tower! Here is truly a find of supplies cheaply in Zimbabwe and Namibia. “At the request of the customer, it can be delivered with a fully automatic system for destroying flying ammunition!”


T-55 tank of the Iraqi army during Operation Desert Storm

In preparation for repelling the Allied strike on Iraq, the Iraqi military created an impressive ground defense system that included tanks buried in the ground. Well, in order to further increase their security, first of all, the security of the Soviet T-55s, which worked well in the desert, they upgraded them by installing mounted armor on the tanks. It was a container filled with sheets of duralumin and rubber 5 mm thick. The total weight of such armor exceeded 5 tons, but it did not demonstrate much efficiency. But outwardly such tanks looked very impressive! And then 39 days aviation the coalition launched air strikes against the Iraqi army and it was air strikes that destroyed most of its tanks, including those that received such protection. One of the captured tanks, by the way, got into the British Museum in Bovington.

PS The author and site administration express their gratitude to the artist A. Sheps for the provided illustrations.
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  1. apro April 18 2020 05: 52 New
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    What can I say ... the author can write. And the topic is interesting and he is personally passionate about it. With iron, better than anti-Soviet opuses ..
    1. kalibr April 18 2020 07: 41 New
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      Quote: apro
      What can I say ... the author can write.

      Oh, thanks!
  2. Amateur April 18 2020 06: 04 New
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    And why there is no "classics of the genre": "tank Lebedenko." It was even built, though he only reached the nearest hole.
    1. kalibr April 18 2020 07: 42 New
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      Victor! Do you think it is so easy to draw? No, it’s not easy at all ...
      1. Amateur April 18 2020 07: 49 New
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        The fact that the pictures are drawn, did not pay attention. Sorry.
        Happy holiday!
        1. kalibr April 18 2020 07: 52 New
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          And you too! Holiday greetings!
      2. Simargl April 20 2020 05: 47 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Do you think it is so easy to draw?
        Everything is done for you ...
        1. kalibr April 20 2020 08: 59 New
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          Done, yes. But I can’t use it.
      3. Piramidon 6 May 2020 00: 41 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Do you think it is so easy to draw? No, not easy at all

        You can not draw, but find ready-made ones.
    2. BAI
      BAI April 18 2020 11: 41 New
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      Well then, you need to start with the tanks of Mendeleev (not D.I.) and Porokhovshchikov.

      1. BAI
        BAI April 18 2020 11: 47 New
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        If you need a picture
        1. kalibr April 18 2020 12: 06 New
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          This is all fiction of pure water. Here many years ago was my article about this "tank" ...
  3. Kot_Kuzya April 18 2020 06: 29 New
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    He survived in the crucible of repression literally by a miracle and still managed to finish his tank with 60 mm thick armor. Interestingly, the development of the T-46-5 tank was also attended by M.I. Koshkin, one of the future creators of the T-34. Before he got to the Kharkov Locomotive Plant, he worked in Leningrad at plant No. 185 as Deputy S. A. Ginzburg and for participating in the development of the T-46-5 tank was awarded the Order of the Red Star. The tank, however, “did not go.” Weak gun, weak motor - all this put an end to it. But this is how the useful experience accumulated!

    Well, how about without mentioning the "repression." So read, all survived only by a "miracle." But judging by the demands made by the military times of Tukhach on armaments, how many millions of rubles and precious time was spent on developing dead-end weapons and equipment, it’s worthwhile to admit that Tukhach and his accomplices were not in vain. For only his demand for a "universal divisional cannon" he had to be shot. It was thanks to the efforts of Tukhach that only in 1940 they began to produce DShKs and 37-mm anti-aircraft guns, and in 1941 the Red Army was practically defenseless against air attacks. And if they began to produce DShK since 1934? A 37-mm anti-aircraft guns since at least 1937?
    1. Zementbomber April 21 2020 03: 04 New
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      Well, that's it - the 20- and 37-mm licensed German anti-aircraft guns - and were launched into gross production just at Tukhachevsky. Dr. the matter is that the technological level and qualification of the personnel of artillery factories did not allow then this production to really begin in “weight” quantities. And a 12.7 mm DC appeared in the Red Army under Tukhachevsky. Dr. the thing, again, is that the machine gun turned out to be fake-like - the "talents" of Degtyarev. A division wagon is an American concept.
      PS I'm not a fan of Tukhachevsky (and this is still mild). But you don’t hang all the dogs on him.
      1. Kot_Kuzya April 21 2020 05: 04 New
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        But nothing that the Palace of Culture as an anti-aircraft machine gun was not suitable due to a drum magazine with 30 rounds? Yes, several dozen pieces were released, and in 1935 they altogether stopped the production of DCs. So in 1937, when Tukhach was removed, the designers received an order to remake the recreation center for tape power, in 1938 they adopted the DShK, and in 1939 its mass production began. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
        And for some reason, it was after they removed Tukhach that reasonable military requirements began to come from the military, and they adopted the remarkable SPM, M-30, M-10, tanks with anti-ballistic armor. Also a coincidence?
        1. Zementbomber April 21 2020 05: 48 New
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          And he was not supposed to serve anti-aircraft. To do this, in the baht and the regiment there had to be a Rheinmetallian communized 2-K. But it didn’t work out. Subordinates comrade Ordzhonikidze - not Shmogli.
          Well and yes - the task for the recreation center (which also determined store food - by the way, the difference with the tape there is unprincipled; the tape under 12.7 - for only 50 rounds) was given back in 1928. But Tukhachevsky became deputy commissar for armaments only in 1931. How much DK was issued - fortune telling on coffee grounds - documents either have not been preserved or have not been found yet. But it is known that the DShK before the war was also issued a miserable amount on the scale of the Red Army - only ~ 2 thousand.
          SPM is just a modification of the F-22. Designed and adopted by Tukhachevsky.
          The task has been worked out and a competition of projects for a new light divisional howitzer has begun - also under Tukhachevsky.
          And tanks with bulletproof armor are a Spanish experience. To the Flaming (literally bully ) The lessons of Tenderness and Adoration presented by the Condor panzerjacks to the Soviet and Republican tankmen in Spain - the importance of booking tanks in the USSR was really underestimated. Tukhachevsky - too. But - not only to them.
          1. Kot_Kuzya April 21 2020 07: 00 New
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            At the level of the regiment, 25 mm assault rifles were supposed to serve, but unfortunately, their production began to be mastered only in 1941, and at the beginning of the war they were practically not in the troops. In 12,7, when they gave the technical specifications to the designers, they planned to make 1928 mm machine guns as anti-tank and anti-aircraft, but by 1939 it was already clear that they could not be anti-tank, but they could be very good, as the experience of the Great Patriotic War showed .
            SPM is a radically different gun, its barrel has 40 calibers, and not 50, like the F-22, the vertical angle of +45 degrees, and not +75 like the F-22, the weight is 200 kg less.
            1. Zementbomber April 21 2020 07: 16 New
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              At the level of the regiment were to serve 25 mm machine guns

              It was already "in the second run." Initially, in 1930, for the air defense regiment and the air defense and anti-tank battalion, it was adopted by the 2-K.
              Well, reducing the barrel length from 48 to 42 caliber (which, incidentally, was a serious mistake), reducing the elevation angle and some technological modernization of the product - do not allow us to state that the F-22USV is a new weapon compared to the F-22.
              PS By the way - TK for the competition, which led to the adoption of the F-22USV - this is also the time of Tukhachevsky. So it goes. smile
              1. Kot_Kuzya April 21 2020 10: 11 New
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                It was already "in the second run." Initially, in 1930, for the air defense regiment and the air defense and anti-tank battalion, it was adopted by the 2-K.
                If the military insisted, the factories would produce these machines. I do not think that the production of such automatic machines was more difficult than the production of T-27, which were produced by thousands. Better resources would be transferred to the production of machine guns, and not the squalid T-27s, whose combat value was none. By the way, for the inept spending of resources on these wedges, you also need to "thank" Tukhach.
                Well, reducing the barrel length from 48 to 42 caliber (which, incidentally, was a serious mistake), reducing the elevation angle and some technological modernization of the product - do not allow us to state that the F-22USV is a new weapon compared to the F-22.
                PS By the way - TK for the competition, which led to the adoption of the F-22USV - this is also the time of Tukhachevsky. So it goes. smile
                And why is the reduction of the trunk bad? This leads to cheaper production, to facilitate the gun, reduce its size and increase maneuverability. A decrease in the initial velocity of the projectile from 690 to 660 m / s has almost no effect on armor penetration.
                Tukhach was removed from the post of deputy commissar in May 1937, and issued a technical assignment for a new gun in March 1937. Coincidence? I don’t think so. As early as 1936, the arrests of Tukhach’s associates began, so their elimination helped the sensible generals issue the terms of reference for a new division, which would be both easier and cheaper.
                1. Zementbomber April 21 2020 10: 33 New
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                  Well, and what "associates of Tukhachevsky" - were arrested back in 1936? Particularly interesting are the names of those who could influence military-technical policy. laughing
                  "Machine guns escort" - it was decided to adopt and launch into the gross series before the appointment of the Tukhachev deputy commissar. He himself was a supporter of the T-26 double-turret, "mobilization tank" T-34 (the first under this index) and armored tractors. Ideas are also not a fountain, to put it mildly, but you should not ascribe to him that garbage that he did not suffer from.
                  Well and yes - NPO could not affect the technological level and production culture at the NKTP / NKOP plants. Including and because comrade Sergo - was cooler in weight-influence, not only Comrade. Tukhachevsky, but also the "most" comrade Voroshilov.
                  And yes, the unrealized advantage of the F-22 is the result of the stupidity of the leadership of the GAU and of the personally "invincible Marshal of the working class, Comrade Voroshilov." Insisted on using for her and subsequent models the same shot arr. 1899. The Germans, using all the capabilities of the Hrabin cannons, turned them into enchantingly cool class artillery systems.
                  PS I understand that GBfilam - the story of "always wise and vigilant [genital] organs" - warms the soul. But to those who know the materiel at that time - this is ridiculous. Especially if they are like me, for example bully - in reserve with the same bodies and familiar with them not by hearsay since the era of the Reds.
                  1. Kot_Kuzya April 21 2020 11: 36 New
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                    The arrests of Putna and Turovsky in 1936 tell you nothing? But they are people of Tukhach.
                    And yes, the unrealized advantage of the F-22 is the result of the stupidity of the leadership of the GAU and of the personally "invincible Marshal of the working class, Comrade Voroshilov." Insisted on using for her and subsequent models the same shot arr. 1899. The Germans, using all the capabilities of the Hrabin cannons, turned them into enchantingly cool class artillery systems.
                    But it’s nothing that, in 1943, having examined Panther’s shells and experimentally tested 76-mm shells with high initial speed, the military concluded that it was cheaper and more efficient to use 85-mm guns, the production of barrels and shells of which had already been established for a long time, so How will the sleeve of a 76 mm high-power projectile in size, gunpowder content and price be almost the same as the cost, size and powder content with a long-mastered 85 mm shell? Despite the fact that an 85-mm shell will be much more effective in HE impact than a high-speed 76-mm shell, where it will be necessary to make thick walls of the shell and, accordingly, the explosive mass of the shell will decrease? For comparison, 85-mm Soviet shells had similar armor penetration, like high-speed German 75-mm shells. These British with their 17 pounds were equal with the German 88-mm PAK-41 and the Soviet BS-3 thanks to the sub-caliber shells and the traditionally highest English quality, which has been a world leader in industry for 200 years.
                    1. Zementbomber April 25 2020 20: 04 New
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                      The arrests of Putna and Turovsky in 1936 tell you nothing? But they are people of Tukhach.

                      If you still tell - as a deputy. with the commanders of the secondary internal military organization - could influence the military-technical policy in the Red Army - it will be extremely interesting to me! laughing
                      Last post comrade Putna is a military attaché in the UK. So here is a similar question for you.
                      But it’s nothing that, in 1943, having examined Panther’s shells and experimentally tested 76-mm shells with high initial speed, the military concluded that it was cheaper and more efficient to use 85-mm guns, the production of barrels and shells of which had already been established for a long time, so How will the sleeve of a 76 mm high-power projectile in size, gunpowder content and price be almost the same as the cost, size and powder content with a long-mastered 85 mm shell? Despite the fact that an 85-mm shell will be much more effective in HE impact than a high-speed 76-mm shell, where it will be necessary to make thick walls of the shell and, accordingly, the explosive mass of the shell will decrease? For comparison, 85-mm Soviet shells had similar armor penetration, like high-speed German 75-mm shells. This British with its 17 pounds were equal with the German 88-mm PAK-41 and the Soviet BS-3 thanks to the sub-caliber shells

                      PBS - were in dressing and in the USSR.
                      Well - here are the keywords - "in 1943" And the F-22 was adopted in 1936. Gross production of 85 mm barrels and shots for 85 mm guns was mastered by the NKV enterprises only on the eve of the Winter War.
                      1. Kot_Kuzya April 25 2020 23: 52 New
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                        Now explain to me why the impoverished state, like the USSR in 1936, began to produce extremely expensive and heavy F-22 cannons? As an anti-aircraft gun, it was completely flawed and unusable, it weighed 1700 kg, while the ZIS-3 weighed 1200 kg. The difference of 500 kg is huge, horse-drawn pull was barely dragging the cannon, namely horse traction was then the main one in the Red Army, and it’s almost impossible to drag a fool of 1700 kg onto the battlefield by calculation forces. If it weren’t for Tukhach, then in 1936 they would have adopted at least an SPM weighing 1500 kg, a gun lightened by 200 kg is already something! I read the memoirs of the artilleryman, he was enthusiastic about the SPM, wrote that the gun is magnificent, accurate, powerful, and light and maneuverable in comparison with the F-22. And the ZIS-3 was able to lighten up to 1200 kg thanks to the muzzle brake, which on the one hand was a drawback, since the muzzle brake unmasked the gun.
                      2. Mordvin 3 April 25 2020 23: 57 New
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                        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
                        namely horse traction was then the main one in the Red Army

                        But do not.

                        This is the 41st year, if Che.
                      3. Kot_Kuzya April 26 2020 14: 19 New
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                        And how many were released? Minuscule.
                      4. Zementbomber April 29 2020 04: 51 New
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                        For a second - this "minuscule" was in the volume of almost exactly 10 thousand pieces.
                  2. Zementbomber April 26 2020 00: 33 New
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                    122nd howitzer arr. 1938 - was even harder. 3100 kg in a horse-drawn cart. And also created under horse traction. And even she was part of the staff of the same SD paws, in which there were 76,2 mm division guns. And even to the staff of the artillery regiment of the cavalry divisions - for which mobility, very decent even according to current ideas, was required. And it proved itself to be excellent, including in direct-fire operations - when the gun must be “turned over” by calculation forces ..
                    And with universal and semi-universal artillery systems - then many sinned. They were actively forced by the Americans. They were adopted by the French and the Belgians. They (battalion anti-tank anti-aircraft) were adopted by Italians, Austrians and Hungarians. Tukhachevsky was absolutely mistaken here - but then many "bison" were much more efficient than he was mistaken in this matter. Which partly excuses him, KVM.
  • Golovan Jack April 18 2020 06: 53 New
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    I propose to consider:


    T-35
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      But he fought in 41. And the article, like, about non-fought prototypes.
      And at 45. One such tank was dug by the Germans, like a bunker at a crossroads in Berlin.
  • igordok April 18 2020 07: 07 New
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    And about the World of Tanks, they forgot. There are so many "panoctium". Much of the article presented there shoots and fights. smile
    The Polish and Italian branches are almost “tissue” projects.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 18 2020 09: 39 New
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      However, like Czechoslovakia and Japan!
      And the last Soviet, British and German delights, all from paper !!!
  • DMB 75 April 18 2020 07: 35 New
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    Thank you, an interesting and well-illustrated article, I read it with pleasure ..
  • bionik April 18 2020 08: 50 New
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    The Egyptians turned the Soviet T-34-85 tank into a self-propelled gun with a 122-mm howitzer D-30
    They have another creation, BS-3 on the T-34 tank.

    1. Maki Avellevich April 18 2020 09: 54 New
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      Quote: bionik
      They have another creation, BS-3 on the T-34 tank.

      Museum of Armored Vehicles - Latrun, Israel. trophies
    2. kalibr April 18 2020 09: 58 New
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      I know, but there’s no picture!
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        How is it not? Everything is there !!!
        1. kalibr April 18 2020 11: 18 New
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          Sergei!!! This is not my drawing! He has an author and I have no right to use it without copyright infringement. And this is a court, an execution and a century of will not to be seen ...
          1. bionik April 18 2020 11: 29 New
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            I’m not Sergey, but Vladislav ...))
            1. kalibr April 18 2020 12: 05 New
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              Sorry ... I didn’t look.
              1. bionik April 18 2020 12: 13 New
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                It happens..))
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            Who prevents to give a link to it if it is posted on the Internet? (For an Internet article). By the way, you post your photos of exhibits from the museum, but at best ask permission from the museum administration. You do not ask the author of the product.
            1. kalibr April 18 2020 12: 04 New
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              You do not ask the author of the product.

              And you won’t ask them. They all died long ago! Back in the 16th century ...
          3. kieferandreas April 18 2020 13: 21 New
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            this is the case if you use this drawing for commercial purposes for profit, but for your own use it is allowed, but if you indicate the author, then this can already be said an advertisement for the author and he can even "thank" for the continuation of his work and himself .
  • Peter is not the first April 18 2020 09: 31 New
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    Nice to visit the illustrated museum! There is something to see.
    But why did you write that you didn’t create anything in Russia during the First World War, or in the civil one, I’m talking about designs and single pieces, not serial tanks? Above is a photo of the Lebedenko tank, and this is the time of the First World War. And during the civil war, in our factories in 1920-1921 they were able to make the Russian tank Renault based on the captured FT-17 tanks, and the civil war was still ongoing. And in the conditions of the collapse of industry, this was a great achievement.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka April 18 2020 09: 44 New
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      The theme is immense. The author at the beginning warned that everything rests on hand-drawn pictures !!!
      So if you have a friendship with a pencil and paints, give Vyacheslav Olegovich a couple of dozen illustrations, I think then the continuation of Murzilka will appear, although I would call it the Primer of a Beginning Tank Amaterer!
      Regards, Kote!
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    2. kalibr April 18 2020 09: 57 New
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      I so much hope that the topic will be continued ... And there ...
  • Peter is not the first April 18 2020 09: 56 New
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    Please:

    1. kalibr April 18 2020 10: 17 New
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      Peter! Neither I nor Sheps use images from the zone.
      1. Peter is not the first April 18 2020 10: 28 New
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        That is my advantage, that I am just a commentator, and not an author like you. It’s more difficult for you.
        1. kalibr April 18 2020 11: 18 New
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          That's the whole point!
  • Operator April 18 2020 11: 18 New
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    Tankomaster magazine is more alive than all living laughing
  • xomaNN April 18 2020 11: 42 New
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    The illustrations of the armored vehicles are wonderful! And what exotic hybrids are shown. I saw many for the first time, although I'm interested in the history of armored vehicles. Thanks to the author
    1. kalibr April 18 2020 13: 26 New
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      The second part will be even more interesting!
  • Nikolaevich I April 18 2020 12: 03 New
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    All this is interesting .... and the author showed only the "tip of the iceberg"! And if its "mentions" are expanded into topics? I think that will not seem enough? That is, there is, for example, a “mention” of “wheeled-tracked” tanks ... but there were more of them than the “mentioned”! And how did the Germans use everything “armored and on tracks” that fell into their playful hands? If it was impossible to use, for some reason, “for its intended purpose”, then it was used as a chassis for self-propelled guns ... And there were such “crafts”, you’ll list right away!
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    IN. Thank.
  • garri-lin April 18 2020 16: 17 New
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    The Czech symmetrical project is really beautiful. Moreover, it looks like something modern chtoli. Other wheels to him and just do a handsome man. Thanks to the author for such beautiful and informative drawings.
  • Freeman April 18 2020 16: 59 New
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    Well then, you need to start with the tanks of Mendeleev (not D.I.) and Porokhovshchikov.


    And you can with Leonardo da Vinci. From his project of a combat protected vehicle of 1487.


    And if you dig even deeper, then the siege towers can also be considered “tanks” - moving, armed, protected.
  • Type 63 April 18 2020 17: 23 New
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    A slightly modified version of the material from the book "Tanks are unique and paradoxical."
  • irontom April 18 2020 17: 48 New
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    During the First World War and the Civil War, Russian engineers were unable to create their own, Russian tank. But on the other hand, they created a mass of unique wheeled and tracked vehicles based on foreign equipment, which clearly indicates their ingenuity and dexterity. They were made by both red and white, and sometimes very “solid” and well-armed cars were produced.
    Alas, the author is a dunno, I heard something, but did not understand. The photo caption is not the correct chassis Allis Chalmers tractor.

    To begin with, artillery colonel N.A. Gulkevich, on July 15, 1915, from the experience of the start of the WWI, sent a report to the GAU on the design of an armored tractor on Holt's chassis or the like, at that time the Admiralty Committee in Britain had a land ship committee.
    As a result, on September 10, 1915, the Britons began testing the prototype of little Willy, and Gulkevich went around the courts and bought the Ellis-Chalmers tractor of the Ellis Chalmers Motor Truck Ltd. company at his own expense, as a result of which the chassis was reserved for the only and unique Russian Tank that was called at first “Ilya Muromets” then “Akhtyrets” he is in the Red Army “Red Petrograd”.

    1. kalibr April 18 2020 17: 59 New
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      And why did you bring the drawing of the IF tank from my book "Tanks Unique and Paradoxical"?

      There were many similar cars. Here, for example, a photo of the Lombard-Bullock tractor ... Although the chassis of your tractor is indeed more suitable for the Akhtyrts. It will be necessary to look again and if you need to change in the inscription above the picture.
      1. irontom April 18 2020 18: 10 New
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        For comparison with the armored car Gulkevich. In fact, classmates, the one on the tractor chassis with armor. But alas, as in an indecent joke - there is a nuance.
        White reserved the Bullock-Lombard in the 19th.
        If Willie is yours, take off my hat, a very good reconstruction, what would it be if the British did not want more.
        I just was outraged by the wrong inscription in the figure.
      2. irontom April 18 2020 18: 23 New
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        Here's an article on White armored tractors on a Lombad chassis from Topwar
        https://topwar.ru/102114-bronetehnika-beloy-gvardii.html




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    Dear Vyacheslav, if possible, let the artist correct and more accurately draw the tank of Gulkevich Akhtyrets / (Red Petersburg). I understand that a schematic drawing is taken while walking on the net, alas, it is not true, because the tower was round and protruding beyond the dimensions, the other aft part of the armored hull, etc. Here are more accurate photos.



  • irontom April 19 2020 06: 17 New
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    Another small rivet on the chassis is also not bad to draw it normally.
    It is a pity that there is no normal picture of this unique car.
    Very interesting design, one roller chain is worth what.

  • irontom April 19 2020 06: 37 New
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    A small clarification is the patent drawing of the chassis used on Alison tractors with tractors, on the previously posted photos an earlier version of the tractors with steam tractors, later used on Lombard tractors.
    If you will be interested in the history of tracked vehicles, there is a foreign forum of Truck fans.
    https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/ot-crawler-tractors-196276/?s=f8b5452bb53b47467c4c6687a2231f98
    1. kalibr April 19 2020 08: 02 New
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      Vitaliy! Thank you so much! A very interesting selection of materials. But so far, hardly anything can be done, alas. There is a lot of money tied up. But they are not! For example, all book agreements are delayed until the summer. Do you understand what this means? Especially now ...
      1. irontom April 19 2020 08: 23 New
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        Sadly - I’ll try the mood myself, alas, a matter of time and mood.
        Moreover, there is experience. Here is my fantasy on the RI project of the 17th year of an artillery BA on the chassis of an all-wheel drive truck FWD mod B.
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          And you have a good experience, however! I would like that !!!!!!!
          1. irontom April 19 2020 08: 57 New
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            Armored vehicles of the first world was my weakness, at one time under the influence of the book of Vasily Zvyagintsev. "Odysseus leaves Ithaca" and his "St. Andrew Brotherhood" fantasized over AI developments in technology at the beginning of the century. This is one of the works on this topic. The project was in RI, but I don’t know how it looked, it’s generally a compilation of the design ideas of Russian engineers.
            Several of my fantasies walk through the expanses of papadan alternatives to fellow writers.
            Although he himself was not without the sin of Graphomania, it was even a matter from afar on the Yauza.

            1. kalibr April 19 2020 09: 21 New
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              Ay, yes, Vitaliy! I respect from the bottom of my heart! I can only ... suggest, as the author to the author, go to author. today and see 3 of my books there. "People and weapons" and "Creator God" (just about the alternative world) should interest you.
              1. irontom April 19 2020 09: 41 New
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                Thank you - we will see.
  • hohol95 April 19 2020 21: 44 New
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    Let it be a kind of our tank Murzilka and Young Technician in one package.


    March - April 1942!
    And in Soviet times, such magazines helped many children in understanding the nature of our country.
  • Zementbomber April 21 2020 02: 54 New
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    Thanks, very interesting!! good

    If the author has the opportunity and desire, I would like to read material about the projects of the "pre-tank" era tanks that were technically feasible at the time. In particular, about the “armored steam crew equipped with movable rails” Buyenne (France, 1874).
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      Thanks, very interesting!!

      If the author has the opportunity and desire, I would like to read material about the projects of the "pre-tank" era tanks that were technically feasible at the time. In particular, about the “armored steam crew equipped with movable rails” Buyenne (France, 1874).

      I have a desire to buy a house, but I have no opportunity ... to buy a goat - desire. So here, with something very bad in terms of information. Once, at the request of VO readers, I tried to find out about a “hole” in the frontal armor of Saint-Chamonix. He picked up a bunch of people "there" ... and never recognized. Even in Samur they didn’t even know that!
  • Zementbomber April 21 2020 06: 09 New
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    Here is truly a find of supplies cheaply in Zimbabwe and Namibia.

    If it is SHYUTK - then normal. But so - neither in Zimbabwe, nor - especially in Namibia - there were no self-propelled guns spawning. No at all.
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    Van Pagan, there is only an Estonian name. This monster was taken by them from the army of General Yudenich. (the north-westerners gathered him)