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F-35 pilots are wary of the ALIS automated system: reasons are identified

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F-35 pilots are wary of the ALIS automated system: reasons are identified

In the USA, the improvement of the ALIS automated information logistics system continues. The main task that was initially set for the developers was to create a system that would significantly reduce the cost of operating a new generation of F-35 fighters. Targets - 80% reduction in operating costs.


It is planned to automate the supply of components, scheduled software updates, including dispatch control, on-board systems. The system should also allow technical services to be informed about the need for refueling by flying tankers from those airfields that are closest to the square of the operation.
However, while with the ALIS system for the F-35 - problems.

Theoretically, software updates should be carried out in real time - "no more complicated than what happens on a smartphone." However, military pilots are wary of such a functional component of ALIS. The reason is that the actual use of the software with the function of updating it has already demonstrated failures. And these problems are not resolved, although work has been going on for several years. This was reported by F-35 pilots in Japan, Norway. There is still no exact answer to the question of what specific reason the Japanese Air Force F-35 fighter fell into the sea. Experts previously voiced assumptions about possible failures in the software of the aircraft's fighter systems.

Pilots are also wary of the fact that it is the automation that ultimately should determine the main logistic parameters, including an assessment of whether the fighter is ready for the operation or not.

It should be recalled that previously in the United States themselves voiced problems with the automation of logistics. The ALIS system, analyzing the time it took to receive spare parts from the factory for repairing an aircraft, could produce a result of several years. All this time, the automation would have recognized the aircraft as unsuitable for flying. To “trick” ALIS, the technical staff of the US Air Force bases were sometimes forced to print parts on a 3D printer and make replacements. However, the manufacturer after that was ready to remove the aircraft from warranty service.
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  1. purple
    purple April 16 2020 08: 34 New
    +4
    There is still no exact answer to the question of what specific reason the Japanese Air Force F-35 fighter fell into the sea.

    Update came, software updated, plane rebooted after update laughing
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 16 2020 08: 38 New
      -1
      In the USA, the improvement of the ALIS automated information logistics system continues. The main task that was initially set for the developers was to create a system that would significantly reduce the cost of operating a new generation of F-35 fighters. Targets - 80% reduction in operating costs.


      However, while with the ALIS system for the F-35 - problems.



      And what will the development, implementation, and operation of the logistics system itself cost? Will the game be worth the candle?
      1. iouris
        iouris April 16 2020 10: 17 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        And what will the development, implementation, and operation of the logistics system itself cost? Will the game be worth the candle?

        Be.
        Логистическая система - неотъемлемая часть новой технологии. Передовые технологии сначала внедряются и проходят испытания в вооружённых силах США. После получения положительного заключения аналогичная система будет внедрена при проектировании всех подобных объектов техники, в том чисте и прежде всего, невоенного назначения. После этого все эксплуатанты начинают "окупать" бюджетные средства, вложенные государством (США) в создание технологии. Государство (США) внедрило систему понуждения производителей приобретать и внедрять передовые технологии. Морально устаревшие технологии объявляются "небезопасными". Так было всегда, начиная с середины 1960-ых годов. В этом и состоит суть того, что они называют "обществом потребления", а не то, что под этим термином понимается в "карго-цивилизациях".
      2. Navat
        Navat April 16 2020 14: 28 New
        -3
        These are "childhood diseases." In general, the future lies with this system.
    2. venik
      venik April 16 2020 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: purple
      Update came, software updated, plane rebooted after update

      ===========
      Ехал как то по городу - передо мной маневрировал вишневый "ситроенчик". сзади наклейка: "System ERROR!", а ниже: "driver is UNLOADED!" laughing lol
      Conclusion: When you restart the aircraft, the most important thing is not forget "загрузить" туда ПИЛОТА!!! wassat
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  3. knn54
    knn54 April 16 2020 08: 48 New
    0
    Procurement agents, they are also procurement agents of the Yankees.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS April 16 2020 09: 33 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Procurement agents, they are also procurement agents of the Yankees.

      So they wanted the plane to order parts for itself, to monitor the technical condition and send requests for maintenance and repair. That's because the system didn’t like something and it downloaded the update, and the plane was in the air ........ ............. laughing lol lol
  4. Amateur
    Amateur April 16 2020 08: 58 New
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    Theoretically, software updates should be carried out in real time - "no more complicated than what happens on a smartphone."

    Вообще то когда обновляешь софт, то для его корректной работы систему надо перегрузить. Грубо говоря "железяку" надо выключит, посчитать до 10 и снова включить. Наверное и Фу35. Выключается, считает и ... и ... бац - "приехали". wassat
  5. HAM
    HAM April 16 2020 09: 08 New
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    "...Пилоты насторожены ещё и в связи с тем, что именно автоматика в конечном итоге должна определять основные логистические параметры, включая оценку того, готов ли истребитель к выполнению операции или нет....."

    DEPARTURE MUST ALSO BE CARRIED OUT IN AUTOMATIC MODE, possible right in the air ...
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 16 2020 09: 45 New
    +4
    This is an auxiliary logistics system for the supply of spare parts.
    It is not connected with the combat qualities of the aircraft.
    The system is the first of its kind. Naturally, it gives bugs.
    In the future will be on every combat aircraft.
    1. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill April 16 2020 11: 40 New
      0
      Lightning, oddly enough, is the most complex device from a technological point of view today. Everything that is today was stuffed into it. Lightning is the cutting edge of technology for today!
      Software problems were, are and will be, but they will be eliminated. The F-16 also had problems with software at one time, but today it is the most massive 4th generation fighter.
      And remember the Su-24, which for us both technically and technologically was very difficult, brought him to mind for a long time. As a result, we got a good car!
      For some reason, not everyone understands that technology will always be with problems that will fix over time. And Lightning, as I wrote above, is a technological pioneer, so to speak.

      Unfortunately, we know little about the Su-57, about the problems that it has. And they are, they simply can not be, but we have a closed program, unlike JFS.
      If PAK-FA were to be opened in the same way as JFS, then it is scary to imagine that they are discussing at VO now. )
    2. iouris
      iouris April 16 2020 11: 48 New
      0
      It is not connected with the flight technical characteristics of the aircraft, but with the (combat) effectiveness and (combat) readiness of the aircraft, the connection is direct.
  7. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 16 2020 09: 48 New
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    А я думал, что только у нас Су-57 долго до "ума" доводят
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      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 16 2020 12: 51 New
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        Quote: September 3rd
        So, envy silently and bring to mind the Su-57)))

        Это надо услышать тем кто уже тут обнылся, когда и когда. Прям без Су-57 и "Арматы" наша боеготовность скатилась к "нулю" и воевать нам если что, уже нечем
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 16 2020 09: 53 New
    +2
    All right, the more they’re afraid of their own aircraft, the better for our pilots.
  9. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 16 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    It will soon come to the point that the F-35s will not be able to fly simply because they can’t figure out who to inflate.
  10. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 16 2020 10: 13 New
    0
    Well, and why do you need a pilot for this Wunderwaffle, since they are afraid of it?
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 16 2020 10: 57 New
    +3
    А мне почему-то вспомнился Boeing 737 MAX, который так захвалили за "умность" (пилот будет отдыхать) и нашпиговали компьютерной электроникой так, что он вдруг начал падать с небес на землю в прямом смысле слова.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 16 2020 11: 50 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      And for some reason

      Very far from the topic under discussion. Focus.