The data on the creation of a new operational tactical aviation platform was confirmed

The United Aircraft Corporation confirms information that work is underway in Russia to create a promising aviation platforms. We are talking about a platform for operational tactical aviation.

According to information provided on the government procurement portal, at the first stage, it is planned to carry out aerodynamic calculation of the LMFS - a light multi-purpose front-line aircraft. It is noted that the aircraft should become twin-engine, and at the same time, comparisons should be made in terms of parameters and characteristics with foreign parameters. 4 million rubles are allocated for this. The order has been placed by RSK MiG.

A promising aircraft platform for a light multi-purpose aircraft will expand the capabilities of the Russian aerospace forces. In fact, we can talk about the appearance in the future of several options for aircraft, one of which could have the design of a combat training.

It should be noted that so far no specific plans for the implementation of the project have been announced.

Experts believe that the new platform could eventually replace the Su-25 attack aircraft in operation today. These aircraft for many years of use in the Air Force (VKS) went through several upgrades. Today, they actually retained only the initial appearance, and the entire "stuffing", including on-board electronic systems, went through a radical update. In addition, the platform will create a light front-line fighter for the Russian Air Force.

Comments

[Victor_B]

I understand that this is an analogue of the MIG-29. To replace it.

light multi-purpose front-line aircraft. It is noted that the aircraft should become twin-engine, and at the same time, comparisons in parameters and characteristics with foreign parameters should be made. 4 million rubles are allocated for this. The order has been placed by RSK MiG.

But where does the SU-25?
After all, the MiG-29 was never a replacement for the Su-25.

[Starover_Z]

work is underway in Russia to create a promising aviation platform.

And MIG-35 doesn't count anymore ?! For what is "digging a vegetable garden"? "Autumn bite the hotsya?" Not understood ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Victor_B

I understand that this is an analogue of the MIG-29. To replace it.

I think they want a cheaper version ... like the F5Tiger ...

[Alex777]

If a cheaper fighter to do - you need to do with one engine.
Significantly cheaper service. Fuel is also needed less ...

[Roma 1977]

But for this you must first have a very powerful, massive, cheap and reliable engine with a long resource.

[Stas-90]

Quote: Starover_Z

But the MIG-35 doesn’t count?

MiG-35 and Su-35S.
As you want to call and through any pink glasses do not look at them, but these are the same MiG-29 and Su-27 after modernization.
We want to fool the adversary with new names? So the adversary is not fooling around and assigned these 35th the corresponding designations - Fulcrum-F and Flanker-E +.
So let the water in the stupa not be pushed there, but they are developing something new.

[Voyager]

What is the difference between modernization or not, if the capabilities of the Su-27 and Su-35S are not comparable? The capabilities of the 35th are many times superior to those from the first iteration.

[Stas-90]

And the difference is that for someone the capabilities of the F-15A are also not comparable with the capabilities of the F-15X. However, this does not cancel the creation of the new F-117, F-22, F-35. And we all modernize.

[Voyager]

We are both modernizing and creating new ones. For the same time period created the Su-34 and Su-57. Work is underway on the PAK DP.

[Stas-90]

Fiction type PAK DP leave for Yandex Zen.
About the T-10V (Su-27IB) aka Su-34 - from the name it is clear that this is a variation on the T-10.
Su-57 - the only thing that is created as an analogue of the F-22. But when he finally enters the troops, to put it mildly, it is not known, roughly speaking, whether he will do so now.
But is there a new, NEW, own, breakthrough, original? Well, what are we all catching up and copying, then F-15 with F16 (Su-27), now F-22 (Su-57). The impression that the design idea in Russia ceased to exist at the turn of the 70-80s of the last century.

[Voyager]

Any of your points above are not adequate. Even comment laziness.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

But the MIG-35 doesn’t count ?!

Everything counts, only the new MiG will be 5 generations - super maneuverability, cruising supersonic speed, radar with AFAR, multifunctionality (it can work on air, sea and ground targets), and of course with stealth technology.

[ancient]

Quote: Starover_Z

Do not understand ...

And how else to "earn" from an "empty" place?

[bayard]

About five years ago, MiG RSK proposed the UAE to develop a new 5th generation light fighter (of course, for kingdom money). In the dimensions of the MiG-29, but inconspicuous, cruising supersonic, with engines of 11 kg. each ... It seems that the Arabs have not grown together, but some developments have remained, so they move.
If you look soberly at our realities, then the first prototype will appear (with proper funding) no earlier than 2030. , and drill no earlier than 2035
Hopes for export potential?
Work for the future?
Or ..

Quote: ancient

And how else to "earn" from an "empty" place?

Most likely all together.
And before its appearance, several MiG-35 regiments will be built ...
If the coronovirus does not interfere.
Or they will begin to master the planets, as Rogozin promised ...

[jonht]

We need such an apparatus, but are there any engines for it? And in what dimensions do they want to see him?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Too little information. Neither the estimated performance characteristics, nor the dimensions, nor the approximate place on the battlefield - attack aircraft or fighter bomber?

[alexmach]

There are of course ... From the SU-57. One. Second stage.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: alexmach

There are of course ... From the SU-57. One. Second stage.

It is said - "... must be twin-engine"
I am very far from aviation, but still - to develop 4 lemons is this a joke? This is the first thing. Second, "light multi-purpose ..." and "twin-engine is it compatible? In principle, yes, but for this you need to have a" small and light "engine, but is it?
After all, neither the 29th nor the 35th can be fastened to the lungs.
Yes, and single-engine does not work - there is no engine.
Maybe we don't all know? And the developers have a "surprise" in their pocket?

[alexmach]

In principle - yes, but for this you need to have a "small and light" engine, but is it?

That's exactly why it is worth taking one engine brought to mind from a heavy one. And live with him.
At the output, we get an increase in the series of engines, and therefore cheaper and universalized maintenance. In general, the Yak-130 flies on something, the MiG-35 is also threatening to launch production with something.

For some vehicles, such as attack aircraft, this approach may not work. Provided that such machines are still needed.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Second, "light multi-purpose ..." and "twin-engine is it compatible?"

Yes, look at the Yak130, M346, L15, F5Tiger, F18hornet ...

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

you need to have a "small and light" engine, but is it?

AI222, RD93, TRDD-50.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, and single-engine does not work - there is no engine.

see J10, JF-17 .......

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Or maybe we do not all know?

uniquely

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And the developers have a "surprise" in their pocket?

maybe C54 / C55 / C56 .....

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: NEOZ

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Quote: Krasnoyarsk
Second, "light multi-purpose ..." and "twin-engine is it compatible?"

Yes, look at the Yak130, M346, L15, F5Tiger, F18hornet ...

Without arguing, I’ll ask you - YAK130, M346, can this be attributed to the MULTIFUNCTIONAL MULTIFUNCTIONS without a stretch? No, well, the Papuans to drive on the shroud, maybe it will. But we are not going to do this. We are going, if something happens, to stop the aggression of a serious adversary. And for this we need a serious, albeit light class, plane.

Quote: NEOZ

maybe C54 / C55 / C56 ..

Yes, S-54, judging by the alleged performance characteristics, very ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

it can be attributed without a stretch to the BATTLE MULTIFUNCTIONAL?

you can’t do it without stretching an owl on a globe ...

[NEOZ]

Quote: alexmach

There are of course ... From the SU-57. One. Second stage.

By the way, the thought is good !!!!! I agree!!!!

[NEOZ]

Quote: jonht

We need such an apparatus, but are there any engines for it?

calibers fly on something .....

[alexmach]

fly on disposable engines.

[NEOZ]

Quote: alexmach

fly on disposable engines.

like F5 .... right?

[fa2998]

Quote: jonht

And in what dimensions do they want to see him?

They will again process the MiG-29 with a file, call it a MiG-229, pump out billions from the treasury, and not let it go into a series. This has been done more than once.

[alexmach]

Again will be processed MiG-29 file

First would be worth
Secondly vryatli. Firstly, it is no longer quite light. Secondly, what kind of aerodynamic calculation is it? The plane is ready.

[bars1]

fa2998, are you stupid (local censorship does not give you a true definition)?

[fa2998]

You can only hang labels? What exactly can you say? Sukhoi, even though the Su-57 is engaged, is simple for Migov. I have to think of something. There is no money for Sukhoi, the program of the new aircraft is "No money". They will conjure on existing models (descendants of Mig -29)

[Operator]

4 million rubles - to maintain the pants of KB "Mig".

The niche of "operational-tactical aviation" is forever closed by reconnaissance and strike complexes of UAVs + MLRS with 200-300 kilometers of firing range.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Operator

4 million rubles - to maintain the pants of KB "Mig"

For that kind of money they can only draw a picture with watercolors.

[bars1]

And this research (calculation) will be carried out in the period from 2020 to 2025. So indicated in the request.

[askort154]

The data on the creation of a new operational tactical aviation platform was confirmed.
(Article title)

It should be noted that so far no specific plans for the implementation of the project have been announced.
(Summary of the article)

Question: Why such an article on VO

[Poplar M1]

4 million rubles for the aerodynamic calculation of the LMFS is most likely a mistake. It was about a buffet table or corporate party for responsible employees. And at the expense of scientific research for aviation - here all the terms will be postponed so much "to the left" that you can break your neck. With oil of $ 15, there will be no money for wars and the army, the greatness is temporarily canceled until the oil needle, on which the Russian economy "does not depend", gains strength again.

[Errr]

Quote: Poplar M1

And at the expense of scientific research for aviation - here all the terms will be postponed so much "to the left" that you can break your neck.

Well, finally "left", otherwise everything is "right" and "right" ...

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to make a single-engine aircraft of the J-10 type ... for "Product 30"

[501 Legion]

4 lyama is nothing at all

[knn54]

They will work right up to the seventh (?) POT.

[Keeping]

This is a sixth generation aircraft?

[Peter is not the first]

No, judging by the amount of money allocated for the study, we are talking about the restoration of the aircraft of the pre-war generation I-16.
As it was written above, that money is not enough even for a buffet, and not just for the 6th generation.

[Keeping]

Someone from the text of the article understood what 4 million rubles are allocated for?
What needs to be done for this money, to come up with a platform? The concept of a promising aircraft?
- So, we need a universal platform for a promising aircraft! Where can I pick up 5 lyamas?

[Ros 56]

In fact, a picture to draw, such a good picture worth 4 mulika.

[AAK]

The author ate something stale, it hurts too much .... one platform for the development of an attack aircraft and a light fighter? And what, in the opinion of some of your colleagues, should be urgently replaced by the MiG-29, when the MiG-35 has not really gone into production? And what to develop there, they lifted materials on the S-54-S-56 and MiG-LFI from the shelf, blew off the dust, found not yet dead developers, fed a little, figured out how to combine the best solutions from both projects, which of the more modern engines and electronics there can be changed and after 1-2 years they were put into production. The question is that we do not have sensible small-sized engines for a two-engine scheme of a relatively light aircraft, EMNIP even on the Yak-130 engines either completely "from there", or based on the "from there" model ...

[JD1979]

Briefly the essence of the article: we want to create one base for both the tractor and the racing car. Experts believe ... Rather guess about what they do not understand at all.

[Butchcassidy]

4 million rubles? It's only going to the stationery so much

[V.I.P.]

Again 2 engines on a light aircraft. Mig-35 can’t push anyone into another and again step on the same rake. If only to cut the money .. We would look at the number of F-16s sold, Grippen ... We would learn from the Chinese with their J-10 and JF-17 (our engines were on them). The Chinese can create a plane with one of our engines, we have no way. But they will never be able to sell our light aircraft with 2 engines for money to anyone. If only for free to give out how the USSR will begin. But only the economy of the USSR and the Russian Federation does not even make sense to compare ...

[Peter is not the first]

This is already a customer’s wish, once said to the morgue, then to the morgue. If the terms of reference say that there should be two engines, then certainly there will not be one or three.

[Ros 56]

Someone wanted to easily cut the dough that they can offer better than the already proven MiG-29 and Su-25 or 39. Well, if you do something lightweight, then a single-engine device like F-16.

[K-50]

In addition, the platform will create a light front-line fighter for the Russian Air Force.

And that the MiG-35 is no longer bully?

[bars1]

MiG-35 is not an easy fighter and everyone understands this very well.

[alexmach]

Not already but still

[sanik2020]

It would be better if all efforts and finances were thrown to finalize the SU-57, this is now the main thing.
And then without completing one, they rush to another, etc., and then they say: -the money is over.

[bars1]

Well, do not tell, 4 million. rub. until 2025 - this is not money

[bars1]

Guys, why are you so excited! This is one of the research that has become known, probably not the most important (judging by the fact that it was reported and the amount of funding) It is far from the fact that it will even reach OCD.

[bars1]

It is likely that this research is designed to create LMFs for different bantustanov. IMHO for VKS such nafig is not necessary.

[Ilya_Nsk]

PAKs already poheril?

[Mentat]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

It is said - "... must be twin-engine"
I am very far from aviation, but still - is it a joke to develop 4 lemons?

Not for development, but for "aerodynamic calculation", attach more attention to reading material before writing comments.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

We need a light fifth-generation fighter with the ability to take off and land vertically so as not to depend on airfields.

[iouris]

The marketing department is working! But plans must be corrected yesterday.