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Labor market: this is not a disaster, this is a disaster!

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Four out of five lost revenue



The COVID-19 pandemic catastrophically affects the amount of working time and the level of earnings around the world. This is the conclusion reached by analysts of the International Labor Organization (ILO) based on the latest survey. Meanwhile, a third of Russian employers rate their company's position as negative or extremely negative. With all the ensuing consequences.

Two weeks ago, the ILO made a menacing forecast that a pandemic could trigger an increase in world unemployment to 25 million people. Now such a forecast can be regarded as overly optimistic. The new forecast sounds like a sentence: there is a high probability that at the end of the year this figure will be significantly higher than the originally forecasted 25 million.

Currently, full or partial cessation of work has affected 81 percent of the global workforce of 3,3 billion people, that is, more than four out of every five workers, the ILO report says. According to recent expert estimates, in the second quarter of 2020, the crisis associated with the pandemic will lead to a 6,7 percent reduction in global work time, which is equivalent to the full working time of 195 million workers.

The greatest reductions in working hours are expected in the Arab countries (full-time work 5 million workers), in Europe (full-time work 12 million workers) and in the Asia-Pacific region (full-time work 125 million workers). Serious losses will be suffered by countries with very different income levels, but most of all - with income levels above the average. This far exceeds the scale of the consequences of the financial crisis of 2008-2009, ILO experts emphasize.

The most at risk are sectors such as hospitality, catering, manufacturing, retail, commercial and administrative activities. In fact, this is exactly the picture we are seeing now in our country.

According to an ILO study, there are 1,25 billion workers in sectors where the risk of a “sharp and destructive” increase in layoffs, lower pay and shorter working hours is highest. Many of them are engaged in low-paid unskilled labor, and for them the sudden loss of income becomes simply murderous.

“In both developed and developing countries, workers and enterprises are facing disaster,” said ILO Director General Guy Ryder. - We must act quickly, decisively and all together. "Whether our reaction will be unmistakable and prompt depends on whether we survive or fail.”

Moscow and Peter - territories of gloom


The research service of one of the largest Russian online recruiting companies, hh.ru, conducted a survey of employers to find out how they are experiencing the current crisis. The survey was conducted from April 2 to 9. Among more than 350 representatives of Russian companies.

Compared to August 2019, the percentage of interviewed employers who stated that they rated their company as “rather negative” or “extremely negative” was much larger: 33 percent compared to 10 percent. At the same time, the share of those companies that feel stable declined from 49 to 36 percent. 18 percent of companies feel confident, but this share has more than halved compared to August last year, hh.ru experts emphasize.

It is logical that large companies feel most confident: among companies with more than 500 employees, the share of those who assess the company's position as stable is over 40 percent. The most vulnerable are small and medium-sized companies: among companies with up to 100 employees, the share rated their position as negative - 48 percent.

As for territorial features, according to hh.ru, the companies in Moscow and St. Petersburg, together with the Northwestern Federal District, are now subject to the most negative sentiments. In the regions, the proportion of positively-minded employers is higher.

Who will drown first


According to a survey, the number of employees has decreased in 20 percent of companies since the crisis began. It is interesting that most of the employees of small and large companies fell under the distribution. The reductions were reported by 24 percent of organizations with up to 100 employees and 27 percent of enterprises with over 3 employees. And again, St. Petersburg and the North-West Federal District are in the anti-leaders, where almost half of the surveyed employers reported reductions.

In the next six months, it is precisely planned to reduce the number of employees in 12 percent of companies, another 25 percent make a cautious, but nonetheless negative forecast, the authors of the study say. This share is highest among companies with over 3 employees. Together, they expect a reduction of 000 percent.

The average people have slightly better plans and expectations. About a quarter of regional companies with 251 to 500 employees are hoping to increase staffing levels. And in Moscow and St. Petersburg, together with the NWFD, this share is only 9 and 16 percent, respectively.

The most vulnerable to cuts, according to employers, are ordinary specialists and interns / trainees. More than 80 percent of employers who reported that their headcount either had already decreased or would decrease in the next six months, said that rank-and-file specialists were, or would fall, primarily.

About a third of the companies said that their recruitment plans for the coming period did not change at all with the onset of the crisis. 23 percent unscheduled stopped the selection (in Moscow such - 31 percent). A quarter of the companies unscheduled reduced staffing (in St. Petersburg and the NWFD - 39 percent).

Pensioners are profitable in the household


For a simple working people, a forced vacation, of course, does not cause any enthusiasm. Even if they do not cut you, then the income will definitely fall for many. What are we observing at the moment?


It is unlikely that anyone today wants a repetition of the Great Depression of 1929

62 percent of employers told hh.ru that employee salaries have not changed since the onset of the crisis. Salaries of employees decreased in 23 percent of companies, more often among small companies (27 percent), and also primarily in Moscow (29 percent), St. Petersburg and the North-West Federal District (26 percent) and the Volga Federal District (24 percent).

Over the next six months, 30 percent of companies do not expect salary changes, and medium and large companies, as well as companies in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East, feel the most confident in this regard. 27 percent of companies expect a reduction in employee salaries (45 percent among companies with a staff of 100 to 250 people).

Does it make sense to explain that the smallest business is now in the most difficult situation - small trade and the service sector, where usually only one or two employees are employed? How do they pay salaries if there are no sales? Hopes for revival after the crisis remain, but they are melting away under the threat of universal impoverishment.

A familiar entrepreneur has one “mercenary” - a woman who has been working with his family for almost 10 years. Dismiss a hand does not rise. And where can she go now? If the epidemic lasts, then in May there will be nothing to pay. There is, however, one positive circumstance - the woman is already retired. So, without a piece of bread, it certainly will not remain. So, you look, and "wintered."
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  1. Finches
    Finches April 17 2020 09: 04 New
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    Everything connected with the word "market", "speculation", "venality", "profit" ... ever since Jesus expelled the merchants from the Temple, carries with it the imprint of misfortune and the most base human vices ...
    1. Campanella
      Campanella April 17 2020 09: 16 New
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      Gold words! The violinist is not needed!
      Just think, this "humane system", which is advocated here by some stubborn individuals with foam at the mouth, sums up a simple thing - he does not need a man!
      He needs a slave, a screw, a tool for profit!
      Congratulations to you gentlemen, the apollogets of modern and any capitalism!
      You are blind, deaf and dumb lovers to consume rabbits, who do not understand the simple thing; you are just food for this inhuman, inhuman and, no matter how it calls itself, machine.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 17 2020 09: 21 New
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        I agree!

        There are those who work - grows bread, stands at the machine, removes garbage, puts experiments in science, teaches children, treats people.

        And there are speculators and parasites. They "work" - they earn by resale, interest on loans. Let them perish. I will not cry!
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 17 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          There are those who work - grows bread, stands at the machine, removes garbage, puts experiments in science, teaches children, treats people.

          and which were not needed by the country
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          And there are speculators and parasites.

          which make up the country's elite and determine the quality of our lives
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb April 17 2020 10: 56 New
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            And now ... It turned out - a simple nurse is 100 times more important than an elite shoe sales manager or a loan specialist! Paradox?
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 17 2020 11: 01 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              It turned out that a simple nurse is 100 times more important

              judging by the payment, not really. The virus will pass and everything will return to its place
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova April 17 2020 13: 38 New
                -3
                all medical services will receive a salary of 300%
                1. nikvic46
                  nikvic46 April 17 2020 16: 08 New
                  +6
                  They are paid for the shortage of doctors. Currently, there is a shortage of the necessary doctors. Cosmetologist-surgeons will not be needed for a long time.
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova April 17 2020 18: 14 New
                    0
                    Now any doctor and nurse in price and at work
              2. bandabas
                bandabas April 17 2020 15: 13 New
                +6
                You're right. We will not take equations with the nth number of variables (we will discard the doctors). Enough 3. X-head physician, Y-nurse, Z-nurse. We bring to the general, round off ... And, we get everything in chocolate.
            2. Sklendarka
              Sklendarka April 17 2020 17: 07 New
              +7
              Or one ventilator is more important than F / C "Zenith" together with Miller and their fees ...
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 17 2020 22: 31 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              It turned out - a simple nurse is 100 times more important than an elite shoe sales manager or a loan specialist!

              There is one type here (on VO) who constantly calls workers' professions failures. At the same time, they are very proud of the position of a system administrator in a company that sells imported sportswear (or footwear). I wonder how, in the conditions of the economic crisis, coupled with "self-isolation", will he continue to defend his inflated self-esteem? By the way, he was missing something.
              Who doesn’t understand, I’m talking about the character Jack (he is a cat manul, and many other hypostases of one person)
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 18 2020 12: 46 New
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Who doesn’t understand, I'm talking about the character Jack

                The character "Ingvar", I happened to be passing by here ...

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                one type that constantly calls working professions losers

                Lies.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                At the same time, they are very proud of the post of system administrator in a company selling imported sportswear (or shoes)

                I am a programmer, not an admin. But for people like you, all cats are sulfur, I understand. The online store is working, so I (for now) need it. We make stocks, work, from home, essno.

                So deal better with your problems, and do not meddle in mine (I have them, believe me. But at the same time - I do not whine) ... my friend negative
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 18 2020 15: 09 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Lies

                  I can easily dig your comments, from which you can draw one-word conclusions. Tequila at stake. wink
                  Regarding the online store - you are not a fool, you must understand that the store’s profits have sagged significantly. Factor of. Accordingly, in the near future your s / n will sag. This is mathematics. And I, unlike you, do not gloat, I simply state the fact that without working professions (underpaid) such as you there is no one, and there’s no way to call you.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 18 2020 15: 43 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    ... the store’s profits sank significantly. Factor of...

                    There is a place to be. Although not "at times" yet, I myself am surprised.

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    ... Accordingly, in the near future your s / n will sag

                    Z / P has already slipped, by 20%, it suits me quite well - I have 7 rubles a month in transport, but right now - no. So it’s already not 20% laughing

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    It's math

                    Well, of course, you are "supposedly an economist by diploma" ... This is nonsense, not mathematics, "Ingvar", a company worldwide and is not going to die easily. And she needs me. Something like this yes

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I can easily dig your comments, from which you can draw one-word conclusions

                    Ya know, how do you draw conclusions... "A fish is a pike, a pike is a teeth, a teeth is a dog ...". Well, okay, right? So the vegetable is for you, not tequila, tequila was when the event was not interpreted by you, and I was really mistaken. And now - "shama, only shama" (c) request
            4. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 11: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: Ilya-spb
              And now ... It turned out - a simple nurse is 100 times more important than an elite shoe sales manager or a loan specialist! Paradox?

              In fact, you are now engaged in demagogy. Contrasting some employees to others. If possible, the nurse will calmly leave to work as a specialist in the issuance of loans. Because if you can live better, why live worse. The fault is not the specialist in granting loans.
              1. Ilya-spb
                Ilya-spb April 18 2020 12: 16 New
                -1
                Sir, we did not drink to the Brudershaft.

                And, sir, you distort, sir! Congratulations to you, Mr. liar! (with)
        2. WIKI
          WIKI April 17 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          And there are speculators and parasites. They "work" - they earn by resale, interest on loans. Let them perish. I will not cry!

          For example, does a resale magnet fall into your category of "parasites"? In my opinion, "gaskets" firms created in companies with state participation and companies closely related to the state budget can and should be attributed to parasites to feed brothers and sisters in general. Their activities only reduce profits and increase costs. As a result, an increase in the final price of the goods produced.
        3. Comrade Michael
          Comrade Michael April 17 2020 12: 49 New
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          They will not perish. They are business owners. Rather, we will work for them for a plate of borsch.
        4. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi April 17 2020 13: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          And there are speculators and parasites. They "work" - they earn by resale, interest on loans. Let them perish. I will not cry!

          Kind. Here's another 3 weeks ago, I trained children. And now I am invited to disappear. I would like to clarify. What exactly did I do, striking a child? Resale, or knocking out loan interest? And then somehow I get lost in riddles ....
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb April 17 2020 13: 08 New
            +3
            I will answer. You were doing real work. In my post were the words "teaches children." It's strange that you didn't notice them ...

            You have nothing to do with the loan interest.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi April 17 2020 13: 33 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              I will answer. You were doing real work. In my post were the words "teaches children." It's strange that you didn't notice them ...

              Yes, I noticed. Only this is what a strange thing. It’s just for me, by hanging financial obligations on me, with an accompanying ban on activities, they offered to disappear. So I do not belong to real work in any way. So I decided to clarify.
              I mean that the real activities of the authorities, and your words, in principle, do not intersect.
        5. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 18 2020 09: 08 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I agree!

          There are those who work - grows bread, stands at the machine, removes garbage, puts experiments in science, teaches children, treats people.

          And there are speculators and parasites. They "work" - they earn by resale, interest on loans. Let them perish. I will not cry!


          And you will die of hunger.
          For all those whom you listed above could receive money - for this we need a network of banks throughout the country. Someone should just give out and carry money.
          And where will the salary come from, except from the percentage for the service?

          Or did the craving for communism wake up again?

          With the total theft of everything, what do the pens reach?

          "Bring every nail from work - you are the owner here, not the guest!"

          In Soviet times, why was there so much cattle on every farmstead?
          Yes, because everything state was stolen and then settled in a private yard.
          For a bottle of moonshine you and a grain machine will be brought. And a hay machine.

          And so in all sectors.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 07 New
            +5
            Massive theft is your capitalism with a spin of surplus value. And yes, about the 90s, when 10 percent robbed 90 people did not forget.
          2. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb April 18 2020 12: 19 New
            0
            My sir, you like to poke. And I didn’t drink with you on brudershaft either.

            You clearly love familiarity.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 24 New
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              Quote: Ilya-spb
              My sir, you like to poke. And I didn’t drink with you on brudershaft either.

              You clearly love familiarity.


              In fact, that is, what to argue?

              Do not get angry in the "state" - and object?
        6. ALARI
          ALARI April 18 2020 12: 10 New
          +3
          Here are just speculators and bankers will suffer little they have money. The first category will suffer, and when everything is over they will be pressed even harder by those who have money.
        7. 210ox
          210ox April 19 2020 08: 57 New
          0
          Smart words! Give "office plankton to the masses .... janitors!" There will be more benefits.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 19 2020 09: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: 210ox
            Give "office plankton to the masses .... janitors!"

            We have already taken to the wipers for a minimum wage of FIGs, all places are crammed.
          2. mirexes
            mirexes April 24 2020 04: 40 New
            0
            so by the way, you could leave your comment here and just do this site works like the entire Internet thanks to office plankton .............
        8. mirexes
          mirexes April 24 2020 04: 37 New
          0
          here in our city of Gorno-Altaysk 4000 as you said speculators, these speculators give 12000 jobs in a city with a population of 60000 people, as you wished that these 4000 would disappear, but then the question is for you, and 12000 people where to send then so that they can to feed themselves and their families? If you said, then tell B. Another question is what do you produce? or as always stink on the couch)))
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 17 2020 10: 03 New
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        Quote: Campanella
        Congratulations to you gentlemen, the apollogets of modern and any capitalism!
        You are blind, deaf and dumb lovers to consume rabbits, who do not understand the simple thing; you are just food for this inhuman, inhuman and, no matter how it calls itself, machine.

        Well said! +100500
        I just want to note that Russian capitalism has a special cynical and barbaric character. The state does not give a damn about citizens who are perceived solely as a cash cow or second oil.
        Someone from the authorities or their apologies can explain how a person can live on 12130 rubles ????
        1. alone
          alone April 17 2020 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Someone from the authorities or their apologies can explain how a person can live on 12130 rubles ????

          Well, why, all of you were quite seriously explained that if a person has an income of 17000 rubles, then he is the middle class .. belay I think it’s not worth explaining what the middle class means .. The authorities specifically spoke about the fact that for 12130 you can live fool
          P.S. Any power and their apologies do not care about the people.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 17 2020 10: 57 New
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            Quote: lonely
            The authorities specifically spoke out that for 12130 you can live fool
            P.S. Any power and their apologies do not care about the people

            Quote: Overlock
            So according to their understanding, not everything is so bad. The poorer the more obedient

            In this case, the saying, "how long the string does not hang, but the end will be" becomes quite relevant. After all, a mouse hanging in the refrigerator will convince any TV. In November-December 1916, not many could have assumed that in a couple of months another reality would come, and in another six months, many would end their existence in this reality.
          2. Comrade Michael
            Comrade Michael April 17 2020 12: 52 New
            +4
            Well, he is not alone. One business owner was surprised how the family could not live on 45 thousand rubles, because we have neither servants nor large houses, therefore the costs are very small ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock April 17 2020 10: 47 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Someone from the authorities or their apologies can explain how a person can live on 12130 rubles ????

          so the middle class, in their opinion, has 17 thousand a month. And we have 70% of these. So according to their understanding, not everything is so bad. The poorer the more obedient request
        3. Machito
          Machito April 17 2020 10: 57 New
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          25 million unemployed by the end of the year may be in only one RF.
          Instead of those promised by the guarantor, 25 million high-tech jobs - 25 million unemployed. Just a fantastic result of work, zeroed power. Censorship words are not enough to express their attitude to the work of the government.
          Where does HE only take these diby ministers?
          1. Dimy4
            Dimy4 April 17 2020 11: 07 New
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            Instead of those promised by the guarantor, 25 million high-tech jobs - 25 million unemployed.

            What were the guarantees of the guarantor, we had the opportunity to see the example of pension reform.
          2. alone
            alone April 17 2020 11: 08 New
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            Quote: Bearded
            25 million unemployed by the end of the year may be in only one RF.
            Instead of those promised by the guarantor, 25 million high-tech jobs - 25 million unemployed. Just a fantastic result of work, zeroed power. Censorship words are not enough to express their attitude to the work of the government.
            Where does HE only take these diby ministers?

            With the system of power that he created, people with their own opinions do not need him .. He is only interested in those who only do what he says
          3. alma
            alma April 17 2020 11: 09 New
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            Where does HE only take these diby ministers?

            Indeed, it is very difficult for the white and fluffy EMU to control these morons-ministers.
          4. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 17 2020 11: 09 New
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            Quote: Bearded
            25 million unemployed by the end of the year may be in only one RF.

            There is still a question whether there will be money to pay salaries to workers.
            In general, after some time the results of ebony Putinism will be studied as the darkest period in Russian history.
            Quote: Bearded
            Where does HE only take these diby ministers?

            Folk wisdom says, "to look smarter, you need to surround yourself with fools." Or as it was sung in one famous song "at the festival of idiots, I would be a member of the jury."
            1. Galleon
              Galleon April 17 2020 11: 51 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              need to surround yourself with fools

              It is not necessary for these people to have such an ability or characteristic - the main thing is that they are well controlled, ideally - committing crimes, the materials of which are safely stored. Yes, he himself is. Then they will lie in the eyes, and take back their words, and perform supposedly stupid actions ...
              Let's not justify the stupidity of people who are much more capable than you and me. They are far from stupid, if they have grown to what ranks.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi April 17 2020 13: 12 New
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                Quote: Galleon
                Let's not justify the stupidity of people who are much more capable than you and me. They are far from stupid, if they have grown to what ranks.

                Far from a fact in general then. Nobody canceled the negative selection. The subordinate must be worse, so that no one has any thoughts, raise him to your place. Three decades of such selection ... And a limited circle of persons admitted to power becomes limited not only numerically.
          5. Overlock
            Overlock April 17 2020 11: 48 New
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            Quote: Bearded
            Where does HE only take these diby ministers?

            everything is simple! The principles of forming a personal power are expected on:
            family and personal ties
            - devotion
            - the subordinate should not be smarter than his boss
            and somewhere far below - professional abilities
          6. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 17 2020 12: 06 New
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            25 million unemployed in Russia will not be a maximum of 10 the most affected will be travel agencies; 90 percent of them will be closed - since no foreign tours will be closed by the end of the year and the flow of gastres from the CIS and other countries will decrease to zero with them.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A April 18 2020 09: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              25 million unemployed in Russia will not be a maximum of 10 the most affected will be travel agencies; 90 percent of them will be closed - since no foreign tours will be closed by the end of the year and the flow of gastres from the CIS and other countries will decrease to zero with them.


              I don’t understand why you were blundered, because you wrote everything correctly.
              Not only travel companies, but also:
              All airlines.
              All airports and their staff.
              A third of oil and fuel sales companies.
              All concert, theater, sports, fitness and other organizations.
              These are those who will definitely fall into the Stone Age.

              the rest will collapse in half.

              Therefore, all the same, 10 million is the minimum figure.
        4. awdrgy
          awdrgy April 17 2020 19: 16 New
          +5
          While the wife did not come out of the decree, they lived at 7 per person somewhere, although sometimes I was lying with the second job and I got lucky somewhere around 11-13 per family member. When 7 then, of course, not ice, but when 11-13 then a thousand 2-3 put off so that children could be brought to the sea. The apartment is really not removable with us and we don’t sell our own potatoes, but we don’t sell it cleanly so we can live it, it’s verified by experience if a person is of course (yeah, we don’t take any current on the car one time, of course, they gave away for a long time for 3 years almost all the same 300 tons of big bucks) Well, someone says on the Internet that with a snout income of less than 50 tons and there’s nothing to start a family
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 12 New
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            Do you even understand what you're talking about? Such a life is life on the edge of the abyss.
            1. awdrgy
              awdrgy April 18 2020 13: 57 New
              +4
              Somehow, at the end of the 90s, I went into a boutique and went nuts, seeing the prices Well, the owner of my peer-talked about me, he said that what is better to live like this and not live (meaning my financial situation) Hooked, of course, but nothing - I studied and started a family working for the good of the country what I say I understand and on the edge of the abyss is when on "zucchini" in a dugout with a potbelly stove in winter and not a couple of months (an example is also from life, the end of the XNUMXs)
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 April 19 2020 11: 35 New
                -1
                Tell me straight, you have come to terms with such a life. And do not pull the owl on the globe trying to justify it. And so of course you can still recall the primitive communal society. Fortunately, Africa often still lives like this.
                1. awdrgy
                  awdrgy April 19 2020 16: 10 New
                  0
                  Well, why do we now have exactly fifteen per person in the family coming out and put aside 5 thousand a month (if there is no force majeure, well, there are medications, tests, etc.) me a stash of a ruble 2 per month always Che still need something? And here, at 12 per person, even if it’s a year old, it’s garbage, and if we wouldn’t even notice for a couple of months. Not well, if what expenses are inadequate, cafes restaurants. the sewer, why are you jumping too? " Of course, who is being built will have to slow down, but again, not quite, but if he took a mortgage, then he risked himself and himself and get out (although I think this is a jump into the sewer) What else can make you think that 12 sput per person per month cannot be lived ( and it is understood that this is for 2-4 months and not always)?
        5. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 21 2020 00: 43 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          I just want to note that Russian capitalism has a special cynical and barbaric character. The state does not give a damn about citizensthat are perceived solely as a cash cow

          Was it different in the USSR and / or RI?
        6. mirexes
          mirexes April 24 2020 04: 42 New
          0
          so show a comprehensive calculation of how much the state can give so as not to go bankrupt?
    2. lucul
      lucul April 17 2020 09: 37 New
      +4
      Everything connected with the word "market", "speculation", "venality", "profit" ... ever since Jesus expelled the merchants from the Temple, carries with it the imprint of misfortune and the most base human vices ...

      These are spurious sectors of the economy .....
    3. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m April 17 2020 18: 46 New
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      Quote: Finches
      Jesus kicked out of the Temple by merchants

      It was a custom in the Temple to buy pigeons and let them out into the sky. People from different lands with different money came to the temple. And the traders just exchanged money for local ones, naturally, not without profit. Here Jesus and his comrades-in-arms and drove them away from the Temple. According to modern concepts, at least it attracts petty hooliganism.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 17 2020 09: 05 New
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    who will drown first?
    For me, the more important question is who will come up!
    I will repeat myself. I am working in a private company. The salary has already been cut by 30 percent, the work is guaranteed until May. Then - the unknown. Well, okay, even if there is no work, I will last four months on "fat reserves". And what about those who lived worse? Read articles on VO, how to survive in the event of the apocalypse?
    1. AUL
      AUL April 17 2020 10: 20 New
      20
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      For me, the more important question is who will come up!

      Well, offhand, Rusnano ...
      One famous cellist, too, I think, will not drown.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 17 2020 10: 23 New
        14
        Thank you, but I mean simple, mortal. Celestials in the case of even a universal apocalypse will go to the bunkers and will not grieve what to cook for children for breakfast.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 17 2020 10: 49 New
        21
        Quote: AUL
        One famous cellist, too, I think, will not drown.

        not only a cellist! The entire orchestra, led by the conductor and support staff, will not drown. What about the audience? Why are they needed, especially since the music is bad and the performance is so-so.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 17 2020 10: 23 New
      14
      Until recently, I was an individual entrepreneur (individual entrepreneur), or rather, a "handicraft-lonely"! That is, I did not have hired workers ... in the event of large volumes of work, I temporarily hired my acquaintances from work in the same company ... even, often, I did not conclude contracts ... everything on parole (they knew me- trusted ...) In the "sphere" of my activity was the maintenance of networks, communication systems, which, often, I installed! So, in principle, the current "crisis" for me is "in a roll"! We have signed contracts with the enterprises for a year at least for the maintenance of communications equipment ... the enterprise is working or not ... whether it works "well" or "bad" - I get my fee under the contract! And if you take into account that it has developed "historically" that these are mainly "state institutions", then, I hope, you will understand the situation .... (now I am curtailing my activities ... I am closing the sole proprietor in connection with the forthcoming departure to another region ... damn it, the coronavirus has begun to interfere with the departure plans!)
      1. AUL
        AUL April 17 2020 11: 00 New
        +8
        You know, I'm happy for you. This is completely sincere. A person who creates a really necessary product with his own hands can get out of a crisis situation with his own head with much less losses. But those who have made a bet on serving the "most respectable public", all kinds of stylists, make-up artists, showmen, they can fly seriously when there is no time for them. After all, you cannot put them on the construction of roads, and they will not be able to. Yes, I feel sorry for them and will not. Many offices "blowing the air" burst. There will remain not 8 pharmacies within the line of sight, but one or two. A huge number of workers will be freed up, which, with the correct, competent organization, can be used to restore the economy, industry, and agriculture. But many will have to be retrained, and labor resources will have to be redistributed across regions. And this requires competent and honest managers who will root for the country, and not look "what can I get from this." Will the current leadership cope with this task? Honestly - I'm not at all sure! They are not sharpened for that!
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 17 2020 12: 03 New
          +5
          Thank you for your kind words! True. about the fact that "the crisis for me ... not really!" - I got a little excited; since I will receive the money in the "same amount", but the purchasing "opportunity" of this money falls! The ruble is getting cheaper! And yet, this is still better than nothing!
        2. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m April 17 2020 18: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: AUL
          A huge number of workers will be freed up, which, with proper and competent organization, can be used to restore the economy, industry, and agriculture.

          Vague doubts torment me about the organization.
    3. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert April 17 2020 10: 23 New
      20
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And what about those who have lived worse?

      I heard a good joke on the topic:
      A wife in a medical mask calls her husband from the store:
      - Honey, I'm in the store, what to take?
      - Are you in a mask?
      - Yes, in a mask ...
      - Well then, take the cash! wink
    4. Campanella
      Campanella April 17 2020 12: 06 New
      +1
      The one who has the cut paper, resources, stocks, power will survive and be the last to die. This is an apocalliptic scenario.
      But in fact, a pandemic can reformat the whole of world reality, but most likely everything will go away with minor changes, and over time, they can be leveled by the more relevant challenges of everyday life. It all depends on the nature of power.
    5. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 12 New
      -2
      I believe that fat reserves in any private company should be for 4-6 months. Otherwise, it's a bullshit business. If the forecast for the development of the situation shows that nothing will improve in 4-6 months, then it’s better not to eat up the fat reserve, but switch to other forms of business or other forms of preserving the fat reserve.
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 21 2020 00: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      who will drown first?
      For me, the more important question is who will come up!

      And to me, will I swim ...
  3. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 April 17 2020 09: 08 New
    +4
    the market works well under normal conditions .... and is paralyzed in crisis situations ... you have to switch to "manual control" ... then everything repeats over again ... crises in this system are inevitable ... they are part of it .. ...
    1. Finches
      Finches April 17 2020 09: 19 New
      +3
      Market - there is a golden calf devouring the human soul! If you measure the number of souls consumed, then the market, fulfilling its sacred essence of destroying the human spiritual principle, works fine in any situation (it has a crisis there or a heyday!) laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 17 2020 09: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        then the market, fulfilling its sacred essence of destroying the human spiritual principle, works normally in any situation (it has a crisis there or a heyday!)

        Here, for all 100 I agree with you. The market works to destroy the spiritual principle.
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            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 15: 52 New
              0
              Torgash is apparently bad, in your opinion? Is the proletarian good?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 19 2020 17: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Aleksandr1971
                Torgash is apparently bad, in your opinion? Is the proletarian good?

                So. laughing
        2. Alf
          Alf April 19 2020 14: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          The market just keeps the human soul.

          Tell it to Red.
          "Well, 30-50 million will die out, they did not fit into the market."
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 17 2020 10: 52 New
      15
      Quote: Pvi1206
      have to switch to "manual control"

      subjectivity again! And if these pens grow from one place? There must be a system. working regardless of the condition of the handles and the mood of the head
  4. apro
    apro April 17 2020 09: 09 New
    +3
    Gentlemen ... what is wrong ??? You wanted a market when they broke the USSR ??? Well, that's the market and decided who is effective and who is not very ..
    The labor market, and is there any at all .. the feeling is that the collusion of employers is ubiquitous ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 17 2020 11: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: apro
      Gentlemen...and what is wrong??? You wanted a market when they broke the USSR??

      And who was breaking the USSR (and wanted a market)? Who are you talking to? In VO I do not know such!
      1. apro
        apro April 17 2020 11: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        And who was breaking the USSR (and wanted a market)? Who are you talking to? In VO I do not know such!

        Remembering the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s .... how many rainbow illusions there were. Like adult men. I was 18. they told the owner to appear. There are no owners in the country .. and we will live. compared. Communists working class rottenness. paid little ...
  5. Baloo
    Baloo April 17 2020 09: 11 New
    +7
    "Russians in Britain", Cypriot offshores of "Russians", the arrest of their money and deportation are not a pity. But what about Rusnano's money in foreign assets? There is a feeling of impending disaster, although this is not felt in grocery stores. The crown will end someday. Whoever can get sick will get sick, someone will die, and maybe me. Perhaps as a result of a new mutation, the virus itself will nullify aggressive strains, or other viruses will be able to win. There should be measures to support the population. It is hard for me to imagine how I will live on retirement at 13900 while I have a job, although there are no savings, I am calm. But what will happen next. The feeling of a hybrid war against Russia from the collective West is also there. New sanctions aimed at our economy are likely to be. The pressure on the elite at the alternate airfields across the river has already begun. I hope that the vertical of power will withstand attempts from the outside and from within to undermine the state economically and politically. Hopefully.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 17 2020 09: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: Balu
      New sanctions aimed at our economy will probably be.

      They will certainly be, and will be much tougher.
    2. lucul
      lucul April 17 2020 09: 54 New
      -1
      But what will happen next. The sense of a hybrid war against Russia from the collective west is also there. New sanctions aimed at our economy will probably be. Pressure on the elite at alternate airfields across the river has already begun. I hope that the vertical of power will withstand attempts from outside and from within to shake the state economically and politically.

      But the Soviet Union then collapsed under the slogan-if only there was no war.
      Like, if we ourselves surrender, then the West will unanimously accept us in our fold (at least we were so inspired). But as it turned out in fact, their policy towards us did not differ at all from Hitler's policy ....
      As Putin voiced - losses over the 90s are comparable to a complete loss in a real war - maybe you shouldn’t give up then, and even more so now?
      1. alone
        alone April 17 2020 11: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: lucul
        losses over the 90s are comparable to a complete loss in a real war - maybe it wasn’t worth giving up then, and even more so now?

        It would be interesting to hear how he compares the losses that exist in the 21st century.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 17 2020 11: 44 New
      11
      Quote: Balu
      I hope that the vertical of power will withstand attempts from outside and from within to shake the state economically and politically. Hopefully.

      Can you now randomly list attempts to shake the Russian state from without? What are they? In the ban on Russian officials to participate in work in PACE? In the blatant disregard for NATO's eastward expansion treaty and in the admission to membership of all those who manifest, encourage and cultivate Russophobia? The refusal of cooperation of OPEC with "+"?
      The creation of capitalism in a separate country without like-minded people implies only such an outcome - a place in the outsiders and dependence on the will of the parties to the Bretton Woods agreement.
      You don’t see that since 1993 there has been a continuous advertising campaign in Russia where they impose “the best”, “optimal”, “effective”, but in reality all this is either useless, expensive, or has nothing to do with extolled properties and qualities.
      Want an example? Yes, the easiest. Putin himself is touted as an Almag capable of raising the half-dead and forcing him to run. But, in reality, he managed to do so much “good and good” that his rule will be remembered for a long time.
      Do you keep hoping? It's your right. With such success, one can hope for an early victory over the pandemic with a reduction in the country's total number of medical institutions and the medical staff itself.
      I, naively, would like to hope that the citizens of our country will receive a decent salary. That the living conditions of families will enable them to live a normal, civilized life. That work will not be a source of food, but a choice of creation.
      That the cost of gasoline at gas stations in the country will be one of the lowest in the world, and the dollar will cost 60 kopecks. That banking speculation will disappear in the country, thanks to which the whole "civilized world" lives, and we all rummaged around in the backyards. That the queue for the Russian ISS will be scheduled ten years in advance ... That schoolchildren will not study the “Gulag Archipelago” in schools ... But you never know ... Only between us there is one big difference: I don’t hope that it’s a fabulous zero “ the guarantor "is able to provide this with his" sensitive "leadership.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 24 New
      +3
      What a mess in your head. Is this a collective west that has implemented pension reform? Is this collective west saving banks and other corporations in the event of a crisis and throwing ordinary people?
  6. Grading
    Grading April 17 2020 09: 13 New
    +3
    The total damage to the sectors of the economy most affected by the coronavirus pandemic could amount to 17,9 trillion rubles, and up to 15,5 million people may be potentially unclaimed in the labor market. Such estimates are given in the macroeconomic review of the National Rating Agency (NRA), which Izvestia reviewed. The service sector will be hit hardest by the crisis; it will affect food production, agriculture, fisheries and forestry least of all. According to analysts, the government will not allow such significant damage and will take additional measures to overcome the crisis. In its updated forecast, the NRA focuses on the baseline scenario, which assumes a drop in GDP and real wages by about 3% and an increase in the dollar to 85–90 rubles. Experts consider the optimistic scenario with maintaining economic growth, as well as the pessimistic, characterized by a deep decline, unlikely
    1. lucul
      lucul April 17 2020 09: 42 New
      -11
      The service sector will be hit hardest by the crisis; it will affect food production, agriculture, fisheries and forestry least of all.

      Well, all sectors of the economy that produce nothing, but only resell or are engaged in the legal withdrawal of surplus money from the population, have sent for a walk. The real sector is working. Therefore, this is not expected to fall; your analysts are exaggerating.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 17 2020 21: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: lucul
        The real sector is working. Therefore, this is not expected to fall; your analysts are exaggerating.

        It works, so much so that it rushes up. In Samara, Progress was closed, what he is releasing, I will not say, everyone knows. Workers sit on 2/3 of the TARIFF, not 2/3 of the average. An order was issued to Kuznetsov — 50% of employees, no more.
        1. The guard
          The guard April 17 2020 21: 34 New
          -3
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: lucul
          The real sector is working. Therefore, this is not expected to fall; your analysts are exaggerating.

          It works, so much so that it rushes up. In Samara, Progress was closed, what he is releasing, I will not say, everyone knows. Workers sit on 2/3 of the TARIFF, not 2/3 of the average. An order was issued to Kuznetsov — 50% of employees, no more.

          Strike US comrades support)))) laughing
      2. ALARI
        ALARI April 18 2020 12: 27 New
        0
        Oh well So 3 weeks I have absenteeism and the authorities do not call, well, just now they’ll fire me
  7. prior
    prior April 17 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    During the Great Depression, America picked up shovels and built a network of roads that it still uses. Roads gave impetus to the development of all other industries. And depression was blown away.
    What roads do not need in Russia?
    Office plagton, pedicurists, waiters shovel in hand ... and forward to a bright transport future. They’ll earn a piece of bread, they’ll die.
    Well, we are unshaven, tolerate.
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 April 17 2020 09: 24 New
      16
      They forgot about the officials, of which a whole labor army will turn out, that's who the shovels are in the first place.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 17 2020 09: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Van 16
        They forgot about the officials, of which a whole labor army will turn out, that's who the shovels are in the first place.

        Yes, now they will all stand behind a shovel, but they will take the officials last, they are not used to a shovel, and work hard for 12 hours.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 17 2020 10: 55 New
        13
        Quote: Van 16
        They forgot about the officials, of which a whole labor army

        will not work!
        Firstly, they have parachutes,
        secondly - where did you see the official with a shovel?
        1. Van 16
          Van 16 April 17 2020 12: 19 New
          +7
          Already impossible to dream ..))
    2. vindigo
      vindigo April 17 2020 09: 50 New
      +5
      Migrant workers from Asia will be taken.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 17 2020 12: 11 New
        -6
        Given that the border will be locked until the end of the year, there will be big problems with migrant workers from Asia and other countries.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 21 2020 01: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Given that the border will be locked until the end of the year, there will be big problems with migrant workers from Asia and other countries.

          The Russians will have problems because of the migrant workers who remained in Russia ...
          ASI invited the government to temporarily equate migrants with Russian citizens to pay them unemployment benefits. Due to the pandemic, many migrants lost their jobs and cannot leave. Initiative will require legislative changes
          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/economics/20/04/2020/5e99977a9a79476eebb62cd5?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews

          So fans of road construction who are here on the site will fight for soldering not only with office "plankton", but also with migrant workers (and not only from neighboring countries) ...
    3. Campanella
      Campanella April 17 2020 16: 41 New
      -2
      And what has this America achieved? Do you give her an example? Sits in the ass as she sat. There are plenty of poor, illiterate too.
      1. prior
        prior April 17 2020 16: 46 New
        +4
        My idea was not for America, but about employment in hard times.
        Have you seen American roads, parking lots, gas stations? Or you a good example is not an example.
        1. Campanella
          Campanella April 17 2020 16: 49 New
          -3
          And what roads? Will they raise production? And to refuel what we beggars will be?
          1. prior
            prior April 17 2020 16: 58 New
            0
            "horses, people and volleys of thousands of guns mingled in a heap ...."

            It’s pointless to prove the obvious to you.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella April 17 2020 17: 26 New
              +2
              And what to prove, do you understand that America and Russia are different states, the mentality is different?
              The American pattern does not work with us. There is no trust in the authorities, there is no understanding of the relationship between the authorities and the people, there are no such working institutions as in America.
              Not if you want to work for an uncle for a penny forward and with a song! And do not say that it will benefit everyone!
              We benefit only in one mug can be distributed in the current state system.
              1. malyvalv
                malyvalv April 17 2020 20: 46 New
                -2
                Quote: Campanella
                There is no trust in the authorities, there is no understanding of the relationship between the authorities and the people, there are no such working institutions as in America.


                Your information about America is very outdated. There, working institutions rested in a Bose.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella April 17 2020 23: 14 New
                  +1
                  So this is an example of social work during the great depression.
                  And what institutions in America stopped working, if not secret?
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 18 2020 09: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Campanella
            And what roads? Will they raise production? And to refuel what we beggars will be?


            Honestly, yes.
            Developed transport service - greatly reduces operating costs for any enterprise.
            And production is developing, including often where there are excellent transport components.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella April 18 2020 10: 06 New
              +1
              All this is understandable, but the roads will not help if the authorities are only engaged in their projects divorced from the life of the people,
              if the government understands its role only as an integrator in the world community.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Campanella
                All this is understandable, but the roads will not help if the authorities are only engaged in their projects divorced from the life of the people,
                if the government understands its role only as an integrator in the world community.


                When 1 kilometer of the federal road simply appears, it gives jobs from 10 to 50 people. Straight.
                And up to 300 people indirectly.
                By itself.
                Without the participation of the state.

                The simplest example is the M5 road.
                How many cafes, shops, car services are there. gas stations, motels, electrical substations.
                And these people also live somewhere, with the money they buy, they build, raise children - the whole sphere of life - a full-fledged one begins to take shape.
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella April 19 2020 23: 11 New
                  -1
                  Nonsense, this. You are repeating mechanically other people's thoughts.
                  All these jobs cost nothing when there is no basis, i.e. powerful modern economy.
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 18 2020 09: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Campanella
        And what has this America achieved? Do you give her an example? Sits in the ass as she sat. There are plenty of poor, illiterate too.


        Beggar in America and illiterate in America - compared with Russia - these are two big differences.

        In Russia, you can work 8-12 hours a day, seven days a week, and be really poor.
        Do not believe me - look at the current situation in the countryside. Especially somewhere in Kurgan, Tomsk, Omsk. Mordovia, Altai ...

        And in America, if you work, you cannot be a beggar.
        For the minimum salary is already official 11 dollars per hour.
        Even gray mexes for less than $ 8 an hour don't work.

        And we have a "quarter rate", "half rate" ...
        1. Campanella
          Campanella April 18 2020 10: 14 New
          +2
          I mean our flayers .. But America I did not cite as an example. I personally do not like either the American or any other way of life. Yes, something can be copied from them, but their whole device is alien to me. Russia is self-sufficient and could very well live happily if the power ghouls did not have the consumer horizons of a vision of life and did not seek the happiness and meaning of life in power and money. They (our stewards) are very limited people! From the word quite. From this and all the troubles.


          1. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 20 New
            -1
            Self-sufficient no one can live a normal life. You can live shitty and self-sufficient as a juche.
            1. Campanella
              Campanella April 19 2020 12: 26 New
              0
              Self-sufficiency does not exclude contacts, but all this should be in moderation and taking into account the interests of the people and the state as a whole.
              And turning your house into a guesthouse is silly for anyone and everyone. Moreover, living by the laws of someone invented.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Campanella
                Self-sufficiency does not exclude contacts, but all this should be in moderation and taking into account the interests of the people and the state as a whole.
                And turning your house into a guesthouse is silly for anyone and everyone. Moreover, living by the laws of someone invented.


                Nobody will let anyone live the way he wants. The world has long turned into a communal apartment.
                Your freedom ends where the stranger begins.

                And when we are 140 million, and we want to live the way we want, the remaining 7 billion will not be given to us.
                In principle, they will not.
                This is if it is completely simplified.
                Learn to look at the world wider
                1. Campanella
                  Campanella April 19 2020 23: 09 New
                  -1
                  Wider not where (((With such a slavish look, of course, everything will be merged. But in 1941 our great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers proved that the impossible is possible!
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 19 2020 23: 38 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Campanella
                    in 1941 our great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers proved that the impossible is possible

                    When the sane agrument ends, they begin to swing, including the great-great-grandfathers-heroes.

                    You still remember Borodino ... stands negative
                    1. Campanella
                      Campanella April 20 2020 09: 49 New
                      +1
                      When there is nothing to say, propaganda clichés are used!
                      I don’t swing anything!
                      A person sets goals and goes to them regardless of their impossibility. Flying into space was also impossible to say in the 18th century .., but in 19 people did it!
                    2. Campanella
                      Campanella April 20 2020 09: 54 New
                      +1
                      And you don’t even have anything to swing!
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 20 2020 11: 28 New
                        0
                        Quote: Campanella
                        And you don’t even have anything to swing!

                        But you said nothing in vain yes laughing
    4. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka April 17 2020 17: 16 New
      -1
      Are they dying ?, it’s rude and stupid ... But where will they make so many shovels or will they have to buy Taiwan again?
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy April 18 2020 01: 12 New
        0
        For example, I make a shovel in the garage for 3 hours, but this is a cool telescope shovel + a folding blade made of spring-spring steel with a pencil case in the handle and an attaching hatchet made of alloyed, pinned 30kA shorter fiskar rests and it costs me 400-450 r if all retail is cheaper to buy on wholesale but I do not trade, but as gifts, therefore, I did not take materials in bulk So, at least eat these blades in warehouses and stores (of course, a lot of lousy steel (I don’t know of taiwan or china) but also normal and super type "rail" enough and I tried all sorts and under load and on a spark and a canvas and a grinder) So these "rail" ones are not Taiwan, they are made in Chita, and then cut off the handle, garbage in any copse
    5. Alf
      Alf April 17 2020 21: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: prior
      During the Great Depression, America picked up shovels and built a network of roads that it still uses.

      Quite right. There are only some "nuances" ...
      The so-called “community service” introduced by President Roosevelt was the salvation for a huge number of unemployed and landless Americans. However, this salvation was very illusory, Boris Borisov notes in his work. Held under the auspices of the Public Works Administration (PWA) and Civil Works Administration - IAS, the works consisted of the construction of canals, roads, bridges, often in uninhabited and marshy malaria areas. Up to 3,3 million people were engaged in such jobs at a time, all in all, 8,5 million people went through the American system of “public works” - “this is not counting the prisoners themselves,” Borisov notes

      “The conditions and mortality in these works are still waiting for their attentive researcher,” the author notes, citing, however, a rather indicative point: “moreover, compulsory deductions from $ 30 of the nominal wage [of the participant in“ public works ”] were $ 25. Five dollars a month of hard labor in a malaria swamp. ” In fact, people labored for food.
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: prior
      Well, we are unshaven, we will tolerate

      In any case, you will be cut, until you finally understand that you need to fight not with office plankton.
    7. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 19 New
      -1
      It is not true. Depression in the US from construction was not blown away. It’s just that through increased government spending, unemployment was brought down a bit and given a piece of bread to the workers. But the real depression in the United States has passed since the beginning of World War II and the loading of US industry with European and military orders.
    8. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 21 2020 01: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: prior
      During the Great Depression, America picked up shovels and built a network of roads that it still uses. Roads gave impetus to the development of all other industries. And depression was blown away.
      What roads do not need in Russia?
      Office plagton, pedicurists, waiters shovel in hand ... and forward to a bright transport future. They’ll earn a piece of bread, they’ll die.
      Well, we are unshaven, tolerate.

      And then (due to lack of funds) cut each other on the bald head and go for the above-mentioned citizens to correct everything ... laughing
  8. knn54
    knn54 April 17 2020 09: 26 New
    +1
    Will be claimed:
    -Anti-crisis manager.
    -programmers. PERSONAL IT consultant
    Call Center Operator is needed in ALL industries.
    -To Europe (and at home) social workers helping to housekeeping, nurses, nannies. For. Elderly people and patients with chronic diseases.
    This is so offhand.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 17 2020 09: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      -Anti-crisis manager.
      -programmers. PERSONAL IT consultant
      Call Center Operator is needed in ALL industries.
      -To Europe (and at home) social workers helping to housekeeping, nurses, nannies. For. Elderly people and patients with chronic diseases.
      This is so offhand.

      There are enough competitors from eastern Europe and Ukraine. The crisis will affect Europe.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech April 17 2020 09: 45 New
      +3
      Will be claimed:

      We will need grain growers ... without them you won’t grow bread, bakers without them you won’t bake bread, machine builders wouldn’t start sowing bread without them, oil workers wouldn’t fill cars with gasoline without them ... such a chain stretches far.
      Human needs to eat and sleep under a roof over his head have not disappeared.
    3. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn April 17 2020 09: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: knn54
      Will be claimed:
      -Anti-crisis manager.
      -programmers. PERSONAL IT consultant
      Call Center Operator is needed in ALL industries.
      -To Europe (and at home) social workers helping to housekeeping, nurses, nannies. For. Elderly people and patients with chronic diseases.
      This is so offhand.

      What they need is what, and from what income should they pay?
      1. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka April 17 2020 17: 19 New
        0
        I really liked the way your thoughts are PERSONAL and further down the line ...
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 18 2020 09: 37 New
        0
        Quote: vladimirvn

        What they need is what, and from what income should they pay?


        And here already it is necessary to be defined.
        A figurative example.

        Family of 3 people.
        dad, mom and baby 3 years old.
        Pata earns 20000.
        1. To sit mom with a child and not earn anything, and the family live from hand to mouth, and without clothes and rents.
        2. To find mother a job for a minimum wage (12500) and give the hired nanny 8000, but increase the total income by 4500, and at least miserably, but have a chance for cheap clothes and rent.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 18 2020 18: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          and give the hired babysitter 8000,

          But not in kindergarten? Education does not allow mom? Or fingers like a fan?
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 19 2020 01: 25 New
            +1
            In France, children, I think, from 3 or 4 years old, are required to go to kindergarten, regardless of the desire of the parents. For the factor of socialization.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              In France, children, I think, from 3 or 4 years old, are required to go to kindergarten, regardless of the desire of the parents. For the factor of socialization.

              It was introduced six months ago only. due to the fact that migrants refused to live according to the laws of their country of residence.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 April 19 2020 22: 05 New
                0
                I read material about this in 2008.
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: SovAr238A
            and give the hired babysitter 8000,

            But not in kindergarten? Education does not allow mom? Or fingers like a fan?


            And quarantine kindergartens don't close?
            And is there enough space in the state gardens for everyone?

            My wife is a preschool worker with an experience of 30 years, so I know more about kindergartens, 99% write on this site.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 19 2020 20: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: SovAr238A
              And quarantine kindergartens don't close?

              And the grandfathers for what? Or did you forget about them as soon as you left the family? Does the expression "don't spit in the well" mean anything? And is quarantine forever?
              Quote: SovAr238A
              And is there enough space in the state gardens for everyone?

              In Samara, there is no shortage of places in kindergartens, everyone is provided.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A April 19 2020 20: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: SovAr238A
                And quarantine kindergartens don't close?

                And grandfathers for what? Or did you forget about them as soon as you left the family? And is it really quarantine forever?
                Quote: SovAr238A
                And is there enough space in the state gardens for everyone?

                In Samara, there is no shortage of places in kindergartens, everyone is provided.


                I am also Samara like you.
                I see that you, just like me, come across in life with Kuznetsov and Motor-builder.

                Believe me, not everyone is provided.
                We, in our Samara with you, have a huge number of baby clubs.
                And paid kindergartens.

                And yes.
                My mom is now 70 years old. And she still works.
                And all her school friends work too.
                Despite working in Soviet times in foundries, electroplating, etc. That gave her a 5-year reduction in retirement, but the pension was not given a normal one. 13 thousand rubles her pension for now.

                And those parents whose children are 3-5 years old - they themselves are 20-30, respectively, "grandmothers / grandfathers" 40-50. Most working age.
                And great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers already somehow in the first few left ...
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 19 2020 21: 06 New
                  +2
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  I am also Samara like you.

                  hi
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  I see that you, just like me, come across in life with Kuznetsov and Motor-builder.

                  And what does this have to do with it?
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  My mom is now 70 years old. And she still works.

                  72. And she retired back in 2012.
                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  but they didn’t give a normal pension. 13 thousand rubles her pension for now.

                  My little bit, but I do not forget her, therefore, I can always count on her help, although I live separately.
                  Believe me, not everyone is provided.

                  I calmly arranged my eagle in the kindergarten, yes, I had to pay, but only to get to that kindergarten, which is visible from the window, and not across the road.
    4. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 21 2020 01: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: knn54
      Will be claimed:
      -Anti-crisis manager.
      -programmers. PERSONAL IT consultant
      Call Center Operator is needed in ALL industries.
      -To Europe (and at home) social workers helping to housekeeping, nurses, nannies. For. Elderly people and patients with chronic diseases.
      This is so offhand.

      I would also add - a lawyer (on labor disputes), after the end of the stage of "self-isolation", layoffs will begin (ts. Organizational arrangements and "personnel optimization") and they will concern both "office plankton" and "heads of the transport department "....
      Already now, many employers offer their employees to sign additional supplements to labor contracts relating to the reduction of salary .... after "self-isolation" there will be reductions of entire structural units ....
  9. lucul
    lucul April 17 2020 09: 35 New
    -7
    Basically, the crisis hit everyone
    "parasitic" sectors of the economy. The real sector suffered to a much lesser extent ...
    1. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 April 17 2020 12: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: lucul
      Basically, the crisis hit everyone
      "parasitic" sectors of the economy. The real sector suffered to a much lesser extent ...

      The oilwoman, for example, is also parasitic? Looks like she’s fucked up on her. No, everyone will get it. hi
      Look, just half an hour. For me, this is very, very realistic description of what is happening now and the near future.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 17 2020 10: 04 New
    10
    Interested in retirees? It is high time ! Not one year ago he proposed such a plan: to create unitary municipal enterprises "from pensioners" under the city administration! Beneficial for everyone! Pensioners, when they have a job, have extra earnings for their pension ... no job, they will be interrupted by a pension! And the administration is good (!) ... firstly, the "shortage" of labor is decreasing ... secondly, if something happens, the enterprise can be "suspended" for a while and without any problems! But tupari officials first of all understand their personal (!) Benefit, and not the benefit of the city, the state!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 17 2020 10: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      And the administration is good (!) ... firstly, the "shortage" of labor is decreasing ... secondly, if something happens, the enterprise can be "suspended" for a while and without any problems! But tupari officials first of all understand their personal (!) Benefit, and not the benefit of the city, the state!

      Every month, the Employment Bureau organizes job fairs. There are many more offers than official unemployed. Not everyone will be satisfied with the salary.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 17 2020 10: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        Not everyone will be satisfied with the salary

        Duc, we are talking about pensioners! Who already have a pension! In this case, the size of the salary is not "fundamental"! yes
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 17 2020 10: 57 New
          +8
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          In this case, the size of the salary is not "fundamental"!

          but does pension allow you to live?
          Quote: Balu
          It’s hard for me to imagine how I will retire at 13900
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 18 2020 14: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Overlock
            but does pension allow you to live?

            Well, and why this debate on the topic of Kartsev: which is better ... crayfish for 5 r. yesterday or crayfish 3 r. Today ? Especially when there is not a ruble in your pocket!
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 43 New
      +1
      And of those who died, you can make fertilizers. Waste-free production. Who said that this person sounds proudly?
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 21 2020 01: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Not one year ago he proposed such a plan: to create unitary municipal enterprises "from pensioners" under the city administration! But tupari officials first of all understand their personal (!) Benefit, and not the benefit of the city, the state!

      I would read the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, I would not suggest such a setup for the "nicest" officials .... If they agreed to hire people in the "poorhouse" by their social status and age, the district attorney would then send them to cut the forest .. ...
      So, in the presence of a full-time lawyer, they now perceive you as a provocateur ...
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 21 2020 03: 58 New
        0
        Nonsense! There is more than one way to "arrange" this "operation" in a proper way!
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 21 2020 08: 31 New
          -1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Nonsense! There is more than one way to "arrange" this "operation" in a proper way!

          As I understand it, you yourself will not "execute" this "operation" .... wassat
  11. Grading
    Grading April 17 2020 10: 39 New
    +8
    April 17. FINMARKET.RU - The epidemic will hit the welfare of Russians hard. According to experts' forecasts, the real money income of the population will decrease by more than 2020 percent in 5. The decline will be the highest since 2014. Citizens will feel the deterioration of the macroeconomic situation by the end of the non-working April, writes the columnist for Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Valery Vyzhutovich.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 17 2020 10: 50 New
    0
    If the doctors do not hold the situation, then everyone will have to remember military skills ... Whether professions related to the Internet (sysadmins, bankers, "operators") will work is a question ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 17 2020 11: 11 New
      +2
      Of course there will be - communications, loans, computerization of data
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 17 2020 11: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Of course there will be - communications, loans, computerization of data


        Well, this is if power plants and networks work. And what if production and trade chains break? Here many "bury" the market ... Without it, we will not be able to write to VO ... Well, perhaps, again, some GM. Krzhizhanovsky will revive "communist electrification".
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 17 2020 11: 54 New
          +4
          In the event of a total collapse at full speed, only military and administrative resources will work together with law enforcement agencies)).
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 18 2020 12: 45 New
          0
          Quote: samarin1969
          Here many "bury" the market

          Isn’t he burying himself?
  13. Quasipatriot
    Quasipatriot April 17 2020 11: 02 New
    +5
    The Minister of Economic Development Reshetnikov called 2 large Russian banks for interest-free loans for the salaries of workers, about which Putin spoke. Reshetnikov was denied. They said to call in May.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 17 2020 21: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Quasipatriot
      They said to call in May.

      Which year ?
  14. krops777
    krops777 April 17 2020 12: 23 New
    0
    Coronavirus, like a litmus test, showed the whole depth of problems, both of society and of power, and this is just a month of a pandemic, this is not a war, most people were not ready, no one makes food supplies, household plots and houses were thrown into life is better in the city, the government turned out to be helpless, except to introduce self-isolation and mediocre, in my opinion, to squander the accumulated money more than anything. I think everyone will be a good lesson.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 17 2020 14: 48 New
      -5
      Now all people will make financial savings and in general.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock April 17 2020 16: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: Vadim237
        Now all people will make financial savings and in general.

        only the main question remains: where to make savings?
        13% of deposits are already there!
        Kudrin called for nationalizing (borrowing, which in our country means taking and not giving) ALL people's savings.
        1. krops777
          krops777 April 17 2020 18: 06 New
          -4
          only the main question remains: where to make savings?
          13% of deposits are already there!


          Not from deposits, but from interest to contribution, for some reason I’m paying 13 percent of my salary, and those who live on interest are not present, although this is also income, it is not fair.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 17 2020 19: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: krops777
            13 percent of the salary, and those who live on interest there, although this is also income

            those. in the case of obtaining a net salary, a person should pay 13 + 13% of income tax? the first time - upon receipt of a salary. 1nd time while saving your money on deposit?
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 19 2020 01: 29 New
              +1
              You will not understand in any way that the tax is not on the deposit, but on the accrued interest on the deposit.
      2. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 22 New
        0
        Money in war is unreliable. More reliable weapons and canned goods. wink
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 21 2020 02: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          Money in war is unreliable. More reliable weapons and canned goods. wink

          You can wind up the cartridges yourself, but there can be a misfire with canned goods, do not understand twice what kind of stew you got ...
          Before the new year, I went to St. Petersburg on a business trip at a local cinema, watched our Russian film called "Outpost", the plot seemed frostbitten, but now for some reason it seemed that it was some kind of prophetic ...
          Speaking of weapons, you know that with the onset of a pandemic (self-isolation), the licensing and licensing departments at local ATSs stopped working, at least for us .... I think in other cities with million-plus population too ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 19 2020 01: 28 New
      0
      Relatives in the village, no one is going to plant more in the household plots than usual.
  15. Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb April 17 2020 13: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: WIKI
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    And there are speculators and parasites. They "work" - they earn by resale, interest on loans. Let them perish. I will not cry!

    For example, does a resale magnet fall into your category of "parasites"? In my opinion, "gaskets" firms created in companies with state participation and companies closely related to the state budget can and should be attributed to parasites to feed brothers and sisters in general. Their activities only reduce profits and increase costs. As a result, an increase in the final price of the goods produced.


    Yes. "Magnet" and other "retailers" are intermediaries. They bend suppliers and inflate prices for consumers. That is what they live on.
    1. 1970mk
      1970mk April 17 2020 18: 30 New
      -2
      "Magnet" and other "retailers" are intermediaries. They bend suppliers

      You are funny)))) For one reason - "Magnet" is whose office? Answer this simple question and laugh at yourself.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 April 19 2020 01: 30 New
        +1
        And I like Magnet and Pyaterochka. The assortment has not changed for the worse, and there is no appreciable price increase yet. It’s more pleasant to go there than to small shops.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 19 2020 14: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergej1972
          And I like Magnet and Pyaterochka.

          I like too. I do not like only double price tags, tightness, delay, lack of price tags and frantic prices, that is, the signature features of Magnet and Pyaterochka. Therefore, I prefer Auchan.
  16. The guard
    The guard April 17 2020 14: 58 New
    +4
    Here are the "gentlemen" and freedom of democracy .. In the days of the USSR, there was even no such thing as unemployment, and even criminally various parasites were persecuted, etc. Eh times, eh morals ..
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 26 New
      -4
      There was no unemployment in the USSR. But unemployment in itself is not evil. Unemployment at some level and for a short time is a normal occurrence. In addition, the incentive to work better and improve their skills. But labor productivity in the USSR was rather small. And the standard of living was much lower than desirable; certainly lower than now in Russia.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 19 2020 14: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        And the standard of living was much lower than desirable; certainly lower than now in Russia.

        You're right. There were no Chinese iPhones, American jeans, foreign cars, sausages from the periodic table.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 16: 43 New
          -3
          There were not enough apartments and nice private houses, but there were communal apartments, barracks and huts; there were home phones, one at a time, in an apartment building entrance. There were no trips abroad several times a year, but there were trips by a savage to the Black Sea and living in a terrible private sector. The sausage was only a liver-water purple. Now every second family has 2 foreign cars; many have children studying abroad. Of course there is a poor person, but it is less than in the USSR. In the USSR, everyone was poor, who were not even from the middle, but from the highest nomenclature, plant directors and national artists. Only these poor people did not understand that they were poor, because they did not see any foreign cars, nor good houses, nor study abroad, nor 100 types of sausages.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 19 2020 16: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            There were not enough apartments and nice private houses, but there were communal apartments, barracks and huts; there were home phones, one at a time, in an apartment building entrance. There were no trips abroad several times a year, but there were trips by a savage to the Black Sea and living in a terrible private sector. The sausage was only a liver-water purple. Now every second family has 2 foreign cars; many have children studying abroad. Of course there is a poor person, but it is less than in the USSR. In the USSR, everyone was poor, who were not even from the middle, but from the highest nomenclature, plant directors and national artists. Only these poor people did not understand that they were poor, because they did not see any foreign cars, nor good houses, nor study abroad, nor 100 types of sausages.

            Hmm, the case is hopeless, well, only if not on a salary.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 19 2020 17: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            There were not enough apartments

            And now enough, yes ...
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            and nice private houses

            Who wanted, he built.
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            There were no trips abroad several times a year,

            So you can see the word for which my comment was deleted.
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            Now every second family has 2 foreign cars; many have children studying abroad.

            See above.
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            Only these poor people did not understand that they were poor, because they did not see any foreign cars, nor good houses, nor study abroad, nor 100 types of sausages.

            I would say everything that I think about you, but I have 9 recent Chinese warnings.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 21 2020 02: 15 New
              -1
              [quote =Mordvin 3] Whoever wanted, he built. [Quote = Alexander1971]
              For those who wanted and built it was OBHSS, and who only wanted was Yuri Vladimirovich .....
  17. parusnik
    parusnik April 17 2020 16: 04 New
    +4
    Russia, the weakest link in the chain of imperialism ..
  18. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 17 2020 16: 16 New
    0
    Capitalism has not come up with anything new for a long time; these fluctuations of rise and fall will continue. And this is not important Russian capitalism or American. It is true that in some countries it is spelled out that the lower layers of the population have the right to protest. Credit is provided and collection agencies are right there. Everything goes according to the established rut.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 37 New
      -4
      In the USSR, the right of workers to protest did not actually exist. But there was a right to anonymous whims.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 19 2020 14: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        In the USSR, the right of workers to protest did not actually exist.

        And now it is. That's just the result of the protest there.
  19. iouris
    iouris April 17 2020 16: 24 New
    0
    I did not understand which is better: trouble or disaster?
    By the way, where is the nearest labor market?
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka April 17 2020 17: 21 New
      0
      Come to us and Belarus ...
  20. 1970mk
    1970mk April 17 2020 18: 28 New
    +4
    The collapse of the labor market is inevitable .... and not the coronavirus, the reason ... it just accelerated this process ... The fall of the ruble, the decrease in demand, the increase in prices ....... there are a lot of derivatives .... 20 years to zero it’s necessary to start anew ... from the same position ... Although probably from the worst enterprises, masses were killed in 20 years .....
    Hooray????
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 17 2020 18: 32 New
      -6
      Quote: 1970mk
      Blah blah blah

      Thick negative
  21. itis
    itis April 17 2020 23: 11 New
    0
    Opensource projects are not in price. Earlier, the owner of 3000 subordinates of three secretaries was smart, beautiful and funny, but now the service market will seriously understand the difference between a flint ax and a bronze one. by "helpfulness" and all because of the panic of "public opinion", and introduced by the Angles somewhere two hundred years ago for personal, of course, not public interests. Now, the "fifth estate" is a pity that we will never know (they will not do a free test for antibodies to anyone, what else!) the most common statistics of any epidemic- divide all (!) infected by the dead from. I am sure that the ratio will not exceed seasonal flu (in fairness, yes, this second SARS is infectious, like cholera). yes, there will be more unemployed, here would Russia, under the guise, and solve the eternal the problem of eternal "downtime" for the freebie of the continent inherited. To accept again, once driven East. for heartburn in the rest of the continents, in anarchist way! land for the unemployed of the world (unite!) for rent without payment. all taxes - rip off. did not flood the first time- interest-free credit. taxes-tear, credit t-forget. you look and this last non-capitalized piece of the planet will become half-dumb. if everything does not return to normal, these new unemployed from all over the planet, it is quite possible that they will stop a galloping horse in Siberia and personally extinguish the burning forest ... a comic dream of course
  22. And why do you need
    And why do you need April 18 2020 12: 33 New
    0
    Nurses are full in our region, 59 years old sister. The last place of work is a nurse in a nursing home and people with disabilities. They reduced in early April, they themselves will probably cope.
  23. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 19 2020 01: 32 New
    +1
    Under these conditions, it is necessary to cancel or at least 5-10 years to suspend the increase in the retirement age.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 07: 38 New
      -3
      This is not necessary. It is necessary to establish the retirement age at which the ratio of working and paying in PF to pensioners will be 10: 1. Then the size of pensions will be normal
      1. Alf
        Alf April 19 2020 14: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Aleksandr1971
        It is necessary to establish the retirement age at which the ratio of working and paying in PF to pensioners will be 10: 1.

        That is, in 100 years. And why not return to the Soviet model, when pensions were paid to their coffers, and not from an incomprehensible education-Pension Fund?
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 16: 28 New
          -2
          Because the treasury is for the present and the future, for workers and for their children. The treasury is education, health, law and order, defense, science and technology. And pensions are for the past, for the elderly. How much the elderly have worked for themselves, even if they live on so much, and do not burden youth and future. If pensioners are fed from the treasury, then the country will die at the same time as pensioners, that is, 10-25 years after retirement. And I would like our country to live no less than 1000 - 2000 years. For example, I will not refuse a pension, no matter how small it is. But I can live without it at all, because I don’t want to be an engraftment and a parasite on someone else’s neck, like some.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 19 2020 16: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr1971
            But I can live without it at all, because I don’t want to be an engraftment and a parasite on someone else’s neck, like some.

            And what are you going to eat and where to live?
            How much the elderly have worked for themselves, even if they live on so much, and do not burden youth and future.

            Are you going to live forever?
          2. Aleksandr1971
            Aleksandr1971 April 19 2020 16: 34 New
            -4
            Now the probable retirement age, providing a ratio of workers and pensioners of 10: 1 a little over 70 years. This would be a normal retirement age with a normal pension from PF funds. For those who worked in risky or unhealthy areas, it would be advisable to establish a retirement age of 5 years less than the total.
            And for those who received a "gray salary" and did not pay contributions to the Pension Fund, or paid less than 25 years, it is correct not to establish pensions at all. For it is not right for society to pay those who at one time did not bear financial obligations to society
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 21 2020 02: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Aleksandr1971
              Now the probable retirement age, providing a ratio of workers and pensioners of 10: 1 just over 70 years old. This would be a normal retirement age. with a normal pension from PF funds.

              And you are "good", and what is the average life expectancy of a man in the Russian Federation, right, so you tell me here about social justice .....?
              1. Aleksandr1971
                Aleksandr1971 April 21 2020 08: 22 New
                -2
                As a fairer option, as amended by you, men can set the retirement age of 65 years (and 60 for northerners, hazardous industries, military and law enforcement agencies), and for women retirement age of 70-75, because women live longer and spend less than men. accordingly pay less taxes and contributions to the PF
                (and give birth less and less, and even remain childless).
  24. APASUS
    APASUS April 19 2020 10: 29 New
    0
    I know two workers by%. Why one will pay a mortgage, and the second what will be rented for housing is not clear. I think the chain of tragic events is yet to come.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 21 2020 02: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      I know two workers at%. Why one will pay a mortgage, and the second what will rent a house is not clear.

      You know the answer yourself. One will get a mortgage loan with a "copper basin", his wife will leave him and he will be marked with a negative financial history for each bank, while others will find another job, most likely in a different profile, or will return to his collective farm "40 years no harvest ".... and there he gets drunk ...
      I think the chain of tragic events is yet to come.

      You think correctly ... the young generation is sorry .... before they at least could believe in liberalism about the power of the West, and now they will believe in what and to whom ....
      ... The time is coming for "rocking chairs" in the basements of residential buildings and chipped lanterns in the streets .... but this is closer to winter, when the harvest harvested this fall will stick to the barns ....
  25. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 21 2020 00: 25 New
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    There is, however, one positive circumstance - a woman is already retired. So, without a piece of bread, it certainly will not remain. So, you look, and "wintered."

    Most likely, in the summer, the freeze of the indexation of pensions and salaries of civil servants will be announced .... the state budget has been "laid out" due to oil prices and the "freeze" of large state projects ...
    The most difficult times will fall in the summer-autumn ....
  26. Lunt
    Lunt April 29 2020 02: 21 New
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    It is no secret that the majority of the population of developed countries is overweight, which means they are too hungry. Therefore, the pandemic could be caused by the desire of the collective consciousness of humanity to get rid of excess "fat", as well as for people to become more human, kind and loving creatures, enduring difficulties and helping each other.