Strange situation with the "stuck" in the US Russian high school students

On the eve of the news agencies there was information that more than 70 Russian schoolchildren were not evacuated from the United States. The information was confirmed by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Maria Zakharova. According to her, we are talking about 74 high school students who are “stuck” in the United States.

As it turns out, Russian schoolchildren in the United States were not as tourists (vacationers). The US Embassy informed the US State Department about schoolchildren that attracts special attention. It turned out that the USA was implementing the SSSP (Secondary School Student Program).

Zakharova:

Now it (of this program, approx. “VO”), the implementation in the fire order is being minimized due to a pandemic. The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

According to the official of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the department learned about the presence in the USA of other children who also received training in various educational programs. According to Zakharova, the host families of some of them "put out the door."

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Now, the Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.

But, as it turns out, all this time, Russian students continued to travel to the United States to study. Maria Zakharova now speaks of "the demarches made by the State Department and the US Embassy in Moscow."

Zakharova:

There is no substantive reaction yet.

From all this we can conclude that even for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the situation with Russian schoolchildren in the USA was a complete surprise.

It turns out that for six years, neither the Russian Foreign Ministry, nor the Ministry of Education and Science (now the Ministry of Education) were aware that the US school exchange programs were not curtailed at all?

Historystrange to say the least. First of all, she raises the question of the level of control, and that educational programs on Russian children can be “worked out” unilaterally.

Comments

[Amateur]

It turns out that for six years, neither the Russian Foreign Ministry, nor the Ministry of Education and Science (now the Ministry of Education) were aware that the US school exchange programs were not curtailed at all?

And then we wonder where the "Kolisurengoy" comes from. The Americans are preparing the "5th column" in Russia in advance.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Amateur

And then we wonder where the "Kolisurengoy" comes from. The Americans are preparing the "5th column" in Russia in advance.

With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

[Stas157]

. About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Stas157

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are!

This is a shame ... Which, among other things, will soon be "hushed up", and as always, without drawing any conclusions ...

Quote: Stas157

And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

And the State Department, thus, skillfully and subtly, "with gusto", mocked Russia ...

[Stas157]

The host does not bear any responsibility for children

And our side is responsible for these children? If it bears, then why did they end up there?

and still did not even provide lists and information about their specific location.

Sounds helpless. Why should someone keep an eye on our children? I don’t demand this from my neighbor. I control the situation myself.

And if our Foreign Ministry wants this from the Americans, then there was no need to do:

Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014

[dzvero]

Not to the detriment of you, but the United States does not give location information for private requests. Brother Kuma was in the states for a long time and there was no news from him for several years. Kum turned to the embassy a couple of times, they refused information. Maybe the case is solitary, but indicative.

[Stas157]

Quote: dzvero

US location information by private do not give requests

You're right. But, the requests of the Foreign Ministry and the exchange program with the USA are not private requests, and interstate affairs.

[dzvero]

I inserted about "private queries" because it is impossible for parents to control them themselves. Only through the Foreign Ministry. In the meantime, the state machines will run out of steam ... and with the "exhaust" it is unclear ... what we observe in this case.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Stas157

But, the requests of the Foreign Ministry and the exchange program with the United States are not private requests, but interstate affairs.

They do not care.
The judge of the American New Pupinsk will decide that it is impossible to transmit information, and the Foreign Ministry will be with a nose.
Even if it would be a violation of the Russian-American agreement, as it was with the adopted.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stas157

exchange programs with the USA are not private requests, but interstate affairs.

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

[Avior]

Foreign Ministry requests and exchange programs with the United States - these are not private requests, but interstate affairs

if there was an interstate agreement, then undoubtedly
What if parents simply sent their children to participate in the program without such an agreement?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Stas157

But, the requests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the exchange program with the USA are not private requests, but interstate affairs

Factory "Kohl from Urengoy." Why are Russian schoolchildren secretly transported to the United States?

In 2014, Russia announced an indefinite suspension of its participation in the FLEX program.

https://aif.ru/politics/world/fabrika_kol_iz_urengoya_zachem_rossiyskih_shkolnikov_tayno_vozyat_v_ssha?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr


strange you ... you don't like the dictatorship, freedom too !!! choose something already !!!

[Alex Justice]

This is beneficial for someone.

[alexmach]

And our side is responsible for these children? If it bears, then why did they end up there?

And how can she, excuse me, prevent this then? So a child goes abroad on his own with all the necessary parental permissions and? What should "your side" do in this case? Iron curtain?

Why should someone keep an eye on our children?

And who should follow your children? MFA? Lavrov personally? Maybe Putin?

[Stas157]

Quote: alexmach

And who should follow your children? MFA? Lavrov personally? Maybe Putin?

It looks like the US State Department!

[Svateev]

Quote: Stas157

why did they end up there?

Because parents do not inform government agencies that they send their children to study for a long time. Russia, if you have forgotten, is a free country - whoever wants to go there and send children. And then he yells: "Help, save, take out!"

[krillon]

Funny, don’t you? They suggest that in connection with the coronovirus, everything on the pencil, electronic passes, will soon think of putting on boletts. And the fact that in America, schoolchildren are no one in the know, you see. I would like to know by what programs they were sent there if the Foreign Ministry is not in the know? Although some kind of nonsense, the purpose of the visit in the papers should have been indicated, which means that all the information in the Foreign Ministry is available.

[seregatara1969]

Could issue through third countries to circumvent sanctions

[krillon]

So privately. And the responsibility is above all parents. Something tells me that people are not with a salary of 25.000 rubles and are quite capable of solving their problems without the help of the state.

[Souchastnik]

It's a shame...

This is not a shame. This is complete lack of control. It seems that there are no professionals left. Each solves his own personal problems, and the interests of the state sideways.

[shark]

I am becoming more and more convinced that our country is not a power but a country an imitation of activity. This is worse than a country gas station. The blatant lack of professionalism at all levels of government does not even make you want to laugh. They learned to tear, steal, kickbacks. But to do their work, no.

[4ekist]

The fault of the parents. First of all, they are in demand, the second is the US Embassy (visa department).

[shark]

FSB wines. After all, it is precisely it that must know and lead by name of all those who drive in and out. Or total control OVER ALL. Or this is not a country, but a complete mess.

[4ekist]

This is just unreal. Entry and exit from the country disappear by the millions. It is not possible to keep track of everyone, especially if they are absent from any "black" lists.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Stas157

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are!

Do you think the Russian Foreign Ministry knows where every Russian citizen goes? They issued a passport, and then people themselves choose where to go. This event was not coordinated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the program is not state-owned, and we went at our own risk.

[Faron]

Is there a database at the airport at customs? Does it show who flies out, who flies? Does it indicate the direction of movement? Maybe yes.
Is it impossible to upload all this to a file, for example, Excel, then exclude those who arrived and eventually get those who did not return.

[Svateev]

Quote: Faron

and eventually get those who did not return.

Can. But what will it give? People freely went where they wanted. Offer to return by force?
The Foreign Ministry is now simply making claims to the State Department that exchange programs continued secretly from our Foreign Ministry. This is a showdown between the two states. And a lesson for parents who sent children without having the support of our state.

[_Sergei_]

They traveled privately at the invitation of the Americans. Russia did not send them. Now they got everything they wanted. Guilty are the parents who decided to send them to America for free. All these programs are tied to various American funds such as Sorovskie.

[major147]

Quote: Stas157

Ours did not know where their children are!

The question is, do these children have parents? Why do they sit quietly like mice and do not turn to the Foreign Ministry? Something suspicious ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

The question is, do these children have parents?

And parents are glad that the children left to study for free

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: major147

The question is, do these children have parents?

And parents are glad that the children left to study for free

Yes, it is understood that they are glad. Just now their joyful screeching is not heard.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

Yes, it’s understood that we’re glad. Just now you can’t hear their joyful screeching

Now they are not screaming for them, but everyone barks at the Foreign Ministry and the state

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

bark at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the state all and sundry

I wrote below that no one put them on the consular register. Not clean here .....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

I wrote below that no one put them on the consular register. Not clean here .....

Of course not clean. The program is officially closed.
So by and large they at least gave incorrect information about the purpose of visiting the country

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

. Not clean here .....

And you know what came to my mind now.
Or maybe it was an exam for these kids, well, or an offset, according to the desdritization of our Foreign Ministry
See how it goes
The consulate did not report the purpose of arrival and location.
They turned for help not to our consulate, but to the State Department
The pandemic is not the first day, but "put out of the door" only now
Parents did not raise the alarm
Yes, and there are still oddities ..
Yes, not everything is clean here

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

on deskriditatsii our Foreign Ministry

Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...

Yes, I'm talking about what our kids organized

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: major147

Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...

Yes, I'm talking about what our kids organized

They are just a means. Organizers overseas.

[primala]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: major147

The question is, do these children have parents?

And parents are glad that the children left to study for free

It would be interesting to know the names of these children. I think we’ll be surprised ...
(unlikely to be published)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: primaala

It would be interesting to know the names of these children.

Well, what will it give you?
And why do you need these names?

[primala]

And why do you need these names?
==============
... to understand ... in whose interests it was such a "bemarsh" for teaching our children under the State Department.

[Lipchanin]

The surnames will give you the concept of ".. in whose interests was such a" bemarsh "for teaching our children at the State Department." This is how the names will say about this?

[Overlock]

Quote: primaala

It would be interesting to know the names of these children.

offhand you can guess: from high-income families with real estate abroad. Most likely, from the families of deputies and government officials of all stripes.

Quote: primaala

I think we’ll be surprised ...

What?

[Insurgent]

Quote: major147

The question is, do these children have parents?

[primala]

Quote: Stas157

. About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.

The training program was supervised by the US State Department.
The United States conducted training programs secretly from Russian authorities. Moscow made demarches to the US State Department and the embassy to find out on what grounds the children left the country.
And for reference: in 2014, Russia REFUSED the US State Department to undergo training for our students at the US State Department.
And further. At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???

[major147]

Quote: primaala

At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???

This would make our Foreign Ministry "bang its head against a blank wall," And the West poked its finger.

[primala]

Quote: major147

Quote: primaala

At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???

This would make our Foreign Ministry "bang its head against a blank wall," And the West poked its finger.

The Foreign Ministry is clearly already "running around" in fright. I think it has already been struck who sent their children. The news presented information - "clarifying the situation ..", etc.

[major147]

Quote: primaala

The Foreign Ministry is clearly already "running around" in fright.

There is no need for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "run on cylinders", if you speak in your language, this is not their "joint". Parents exercise control over their children. If the children went abroad with parental consent, then the demand from the parents. Their unofficial Russian organizations were exported abroad and, accordingly, the official structures have nothing to do with it. I would not be surprised if, as a result of the investigation, it turns out that the children were taken out privately "for treatment."

[primala]

Quote: major147

There is no need for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "run on cylinders", if you speak in your language, this is not their "joint".

"this is not their" cant "" - this is a "cant" (in your language).
US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ... And even more so children.
And I already wrote, the State Department has repeatedly received a proposal to educate our students in their troubled program, to which the Russian Federation answered NO.

[major147]

Quote: primaala

(in your language).

Well, what has to do with the "cirly" of the Foreign Ministry if

RF replied NO.

[primala]

Quote: major147

Quote: primaala

(in your language).

Well, what has to do with the "cirly" of the Foreign Ministry if

RF replied NO.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (MFA of Russia) is the federal executive body of the Russian Federation that exercises state administration in the field of relations of the Russian Federation with foreign states and international organizations.
US STATE DEPARTMENT - What function do ???????????

[major147]

Quote: primaala

Quote: major147

Quote: primaala

(in your language).

Well, what has to do with the "cirly" of the Foreign Ministry if

RF replied NO.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (MFA of Russia) is the federal executive body of the Russian Federation that exercises state administration in the field of relations of the Russian Federation with foreign states and international organizations.
US STATE DEPARTMENT - What function do ???????????

We have a dumb conversation with the deaf! You speak

The Foreign Ministry is clearly already "running around" in fright.

what am I telling you

"The Foreign Ministry does not need to" run on cylinders ",

it is not his fault, but to rake him. Or we understand "cirly" in different ways.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: primaala

US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ..

Yes, because these children and their parents asked for help not at our embassy or consulate, but at the State Department
Does this not tell you anything?

[primala]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: primaala

US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ..

Yes, because these children and their parents asked for help not at our embassy or consulate, but at the State Department
Does this not tell you anything?

So, therefore, they are also interested in the Foreign Ministry - WHO is behind everything for this arbitrariness.

[primala]

I will add: In addition, the United States conducted these educational programs secretly from the Russian authorities and did not report them to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
"For its part, the Foreign Ministry and Russian diplomatic institutions in the United States, of course, are doing everything possible to find the children," Zakharova said and asked their parents and teachers to provide any available information that would help in the current situation.

[Vend]

Quote: Stas157

. About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.

"Russia abandoned the exchange program with the United States within the framework of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was motivated by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home."

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Wend

The refusal was based on the US's failure to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home. "

But our people are on the drum. After all, we went for free

[major147]

Quote: Lipchanin

But our people are on the drum.

Most likely some kind of "left" scheme.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: major147

Most likely some kind of "left" scheme.

Of course
Raising new "bulk"
The fifth column needs "fresh blood"

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stas157

Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

Did the parents of these children inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where their children are?

[Vend]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Stas157

Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

Did the parents of these children inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where their children are?

Probably not, but knowing how the representatives of the State Department lie, I won’t be surprised if it turns out that the parents were just lying brazenly, they say the children are in order.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Wend

Probably not

Yes, not likely, but definitely not informed.
I think my parents didn’t know what to do.
Entrusted to the Merikos
Freebie eyes and mind closed

[vik669]

An interesting picture! Ours did not know where your children are! This is from what orphanage they were sent to the United States and for whose money!

[Plate]

Ours did not know where their children are!

We have the same freedom of movement. Tracking and restricting is prohibited. Wherever they wanted, they flew there :)

[den3080]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Amateur

And then we wonder where the "Kolisurengoy" comes from. The Americans are preparing the "5th column" in Russia in advance.

With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

I do not really understand where does the Russian Foreign Ministry?
parents wanted, the child wanted, wrote a statement, joined the program, received a visa and sent to study.
All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.
and work abroad and tourism as well. Restrictions apply only to persons with access to state secrets (defense industry, law enforcement agencies) and criminals.

[Insurgent]

Quote: den3080

All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.

It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?
And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

It seems to me that you are somewhat mistaken, otherwise then the borders of the Russian Federation are a gateway, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is an organization like "Kolkhoz Incorporated LTD" in a bad performance ...

[den3080]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: den3080

All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.

It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?
And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

It seems to me that you are somewhat mistaken, otherwise then the borders of the Russian Federation are a gateway, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is an organization like "Kolkhoz Incorporated LTD" in a bad performance ...

The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. Such information is available from the FSB, that is, from border guards who put stamps in their passports at checkpoints.
This "database" gets into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only for statistics and periodically, as I understand it. Otherwise, the consular offices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would not ask the citizens of the Russian Federation to write applications for registering their whereabouts abroad (which is now happening in droves to organize the export to their homeland).
And then ... a citizen crossed the border of Finland, with a Schengen visa obtained at the Finnish consulate, and drove off to rest or live in Spain or Thailand (visa-free) or the Dominican Republic ... yes, anywhere. Like fleas. To calculate (to know) who is where - Sisyphean labor and generally useless.

[Insurgent]

Quote: den3080

The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. Such information is available from the FSB, that is, from border guards who put stamps in their passports at checkpoints.
This "database" gets into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only for statistics and periodically, as I understand it. Otherwise, the consular offices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would not have asked citizens of the Russian Federation to write statements to register their whereabouts abroad

Do not you think that in the modern "digital world", such information maybe(and I am 100% sure that there is) at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs online?
What citizens not required register, but they can do it at will, a problem for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it’s definitely.
But nonetheless,Foreign Ministry could not know, in which country, how many and which citizens are at one time or another, I repeat - in online mode".

[den3080]

Don't you think that in the modern "digital world", such information can be (and I am 100% sure that there is) the Ministry of Foreign Affairs online?
The fact that citizens are not required to register, but can do it at will, is a problem for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it is definitely.
But nevertheless, the Foreign Ministry could not fail to know in which country, how many and what citizens are at one time or another, I repeat - online.

I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information. And it is given by special services at the request of the relevant foreign affairs agencies.
In connection with the pandemic and the total closure of borders, this situation will change dramatically. Worldwide.

[Insurgent]

Quote: den3080

I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information.

Maybe you just do not know all the functions and capabilities of the "big brother"?
"Digitalization of highways" with cameras and sensors, does not give you the opportunity to evaluate the capabilities of information systems?

Believe me, they know much more about you than you expect.

I was convinced from my own experience Under a certain set of circumstances, the DPR MGB dumped so much information about me on the table that I was taken aback - almost to the point when
he had chickenpox in childhood ...

And this is just the MGB of the DPR ... Not Russia, not the FSB, not the Foreign Ministry ...

[den3080]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: den3080

I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information.

Maybe you just do not know all the functions and capabilities of the "big brother"?
"Digitalization of highways" with cameras and sensors, does not give you the opportunity to evaluate the capabilities of information systems?

Believe me, they know much more about you than you expect.

I was convinced from my own experience Under a certain set of circumstances, the DPR MGB dumped so much information about me on the table that I was taken aback - almost to the point when
he had chickenpox in childhood ...

And this is just the MGB of the DPR ... Not Russia, not the FSB, not the Foreign Ministry ...

You live in the DPR, as I understand it. You have a special regime there, martial law for many years. Your access mode can probably be compared with the DPRK or ... Cuba.
About the "big brother." The EU and the UK are rapidly digitalizing. At the entrance, and somewhere at the exit already, to the normal EU countries and to the UK, at airports, mainly border checkpoint control is organized, like in the metro approximately. Approach the turnstile, put your passport on the scanner, face the other scanner, then zhzhzhzh, pause and plastic doors open. Everything.
And a couple of local border guards on the side are bored. This applies to citizens of the EU and some other countries (USA, Canada, someone else). Citizens of other countries stand in line, they check visas, put stamps and so on.
In Russia, this is not yet, as far as I know. But there will be no doubt, especially given the current circumstances.
I think that there are several factors that interfere:
1. Lack of adequate funding.
2. The lack of domestic software and domestic technology (otherwise all the info can go to the enemy)
3. The subjective factor. This is the “battalion” to the “platoon” or even to the separation will have to be reduced. And posts and shoulder straps + corresponding types of allowance how?

[Insurgent]

Quote: den3080

3. The subjective factor. This is the “battalion” to the “platoon” or even to the separation will have to be reduced. And posts and shoulder straps + corresponding types of allowance how?

But actually NO

I will explain with a clear example.

Back in the USSR, right after the first strike of the miners, it became fashionable to elect directors.
Here is one nimble guy, on the wave of "destruction of bureaucracy", said that the entire office at the mine "he will replace one girl with a computer."
He became a director, a computer appeared, a girl, too ... But the office did not go anywhere
And the computer ... The computer was broken and forgotten ...

Therefore, don't worry about "battalions" ...

[Terenin]

Quote: den3080

In connection with the pandemic and the total closure of borders, this situation will change dramatically. Worldwide.

Yeah as in Gogol ... The inspector, for many officials (not only in Russia) came really incognito

The coronavirus, who has arrived at the behest from China, demands you to see you right now. He stopped "everywhere"

Silent scene

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

But nevertheless, the Foreign Ministry could not fail to know in which country, how many and what citizens are at one time or another, I repeat - online.

The Foreign Ministry could know in which country.
But in what specific place he could not know in any way.

Now, the Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.

Do you think that after this at the border crossing someone told the truth where and why he was going?

[Stas157]

Quote: den3080

The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. The FSB has such information.

That is, there is still information. Why is it that our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about Russian schoolchildren, and not the FSB?

The entry-exit procedure has the same accounting mechanism. In fact, we see that the US State Department knows everything and sees who moved in and out, but the Russian authorities do not. At least the American side has to suggest this. And our Foreign Ministry is surprised after that!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stas157

Why is our Foreign Ministry informing the US State Department about Russian schoolchildren,

Because Russian schoolchildren and their parents did not inform the Foreign Ministry

not the FSB?

And what about this office?

In fact, we see that the US State Department knows everything and sees who drove into it, left

The State Department does not know. Knows frontier service
Because these kids turned to the State Department, and not to our Foreign Ministry
No wonder why they did it?

[major147]

Quote: den3080

The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time.

Since such a situation, then they did not become consular records. Very suspicious!

[alexmach]

It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?

Of course he does not know, but how can the Foreign Ministry know this?

And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

Have you ever crossed the border? Did they apply to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Did you go to the consulate or embassy in the country of arrival? what are these weird questions?

[Stas157]

Quote: alexmach

Have you ever crossed the border?

You seem not. Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in lines of people.

If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

[major147]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: alexmach

Have you ever crossed the border?

You seem not. Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in lines of people.

If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

Customs has a slightly different task than accounting for "entered / left".

[alexmach]

You seem not.

Crossed, including the Russian

Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in the lines of people

That's what I didn’t see, I really didn’t see it.
I even saw the queue for passport control, even stood in it, even with a child even at the Russian border, so that I could not remember much, I didn’t have a couple of times when I went by buses and on “cash day” it was very unpleasant.

If customs does not keep records,

Customs? Customs? So who do you keep records? Customs already? And the janitors at the place of registration still do not lead? I just spoke with a customs officer once in my life at a Borispol airport purely by accident.

what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

Guessing of course on the coffee grounds, where will you go further after crossing the border? Maybe in Kaliningrad, maybe in France and maybe studying in the USA.

[Stas157]

Quote: alexmach

That's what I didn’t see, really didn't see.

Well look.

There are queues in all countries, but here they are the slowest.

[alexmach]

There are queues in all countries, but here they are the slowest.

I saw something similar at Seattle Airport. They didn’t even let us go directly to the main line, at first our flight had to stand in the corridor until the place in the passport control hall was vacated. They stood in line for half an hour at least, then they waited another hour for a colleague whom they mistakenly took for interrogation with addiction.

And you will see it at any large airport.

PS: We seem to have moved from the discussion of the mistakes of Putin, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry to the stupidity of the administration of the Airport? A little more and to the very earthly problems in the neighboring JACKET get?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stas157

If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

Do not confuse soft with round
Customs records border crossings.
And where exactly did the tourist go in the country where he had left, customs, by no means, can know

[Stas157]

Quote: Lipchanin

Customs leads accounting border crossing.

That's it.

Quote: Lipchanin

And where exactly did the tourist go in the country where he had left, customs, by no means, can know

And I did not write about it.

[kpd]

The customs office checks whether you are on the wanted lists, whether you are a state secret bearer and whether you are allowed to travel abroad. Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.

[Stas157]

Quote: kpd

Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.

Yes. And if the competent authorities request that this or that citizen cross the border, customs will always give an answer.

As to why, suddenly, because of our children, Americans began to worry, and not our own bodies, this only applies quality our management. Which in extreme situations can only be weak-willed extras, but not make appropriate decisions.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stas157

As to why, suddenly, because of our children, the Americans began to worry,

Yes, because they muddied this provocation
It never occurred to you why these children turned to the State Department for help, and not to our embassy?
And you didn’t think that the Americans always didn’t give a damn about foreigners.
And then they took care of the vdug

[major147]

Quote: kpd

The customs office checks whether you are on the wanted lists, whether you are a state secret bearer and whether you are allowed to travel abroad. Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.

I do not agree with you! Customs controls the import / export of goods, duty collection, etc. And the functions listed by you are assigned to the border guards.
I had to get a large consignment of goods from abroad for quite a long time at work and arrange all this personally.

[Avior]

border guards do it

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

And do citizens notify the Foreign Ministry about this?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation left the country, how many returned, for what purpose, and where they went

Knows only those who informed the embassy about this.
And for what purpose I left ...
Aren't you funny yourself? Yes, you can say anything

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?

Quote: Insurgent

for what purpose,

You yourself are not funny about the goal?

[antivirus]

Latinina, Venediktov and Navalny should conduct their investigations. Work out money against the MIDRF

[Evil543]

When a person goes on vacation, does he inform the Foreign Ministry? So here we went on vacation with the consent of the parents, but in fact "to learn democracy" and at the same time to tighten up the language. Upon arrival, they will enter the Higher School of Economics and forward to the political barricades.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Evil543

When a person goes on vacation, what does the Foreign Ministry notify?

Tell me, does Russia still have informational and statistical interaction between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - the Border Service of the FSB of Russia?

Or is the interaction of these services in a "free liberal-bourgeois society" no longer relevant and unnecessary?

[Evil543]

AND? When you cross the border you report where and for what you fly, go? I have never. Only when the visa was done in the visa center did they clarify everything.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Evil543

AND? When you cross the border you report where and for what you fly, go?

Yes, you do not tell , and do not make of border guards who even without you know which visas you have open ...

[Evil543]

I honestly don’t understand you, dear, what can a tourist or study visa say to a border guard, and what should they pass to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that Vasya Navalny went to the states not to study or relax, but has other goals?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Evil543

that Vasya Navalny went to the states not to study or relax, but has other goals?

And went not to Boston, but to Washington

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Yes, you do not make laugh, and do not make from the border guards who even without you know what visas you have open ...

Open to a country, but not to a specific place in that country

[den3080]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Evil543

When a person goes on vacation, what does the Foreign Ministry notify?

Tell me, does Russia still have informational and statistical interaction between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - the Border Service of the FSB of Russia?

Or is the interaction of these services in a "free liberal-bourgeois society" no longer relevant and unnecessary?

Exists :) I wrote above how it exists in my opinion.

In the decaying West, it’s even cooler :) there is an almost total “visa-free” visa.
Stamps are not placed in the passport for their citizens either at the exit or at the entrance.

The United States puts a stamp on the passport at the entrance to the country for almost everyone except its citizens, and at the exit passport control is practically absent, leaving is a good riddance.
Obtaining permission to enter the United States for a number of countries is notification in nature and takes 10-15 minutes on the Internet, depending on ... the speed of your Internet connection :))

Great Britain is the same, with the exception of citizens of the USA, Canada, and the EU, who are not stamped in their passports at the entrance to the UK.
The courtyard, of course, is not quite the right definition, but it is very similar :)
So Russia in this sense is a police state. They put a square stamp on themselves and strangers both at the entrance and at the exit.

[Insurgent]

Quote: den3080

Exists :) I wrote above how it exists in my opinion.

A similar meaning comment on this subject, I also did ...

Quote: den3080

So Russia in this sense is a police state. They put a square stamp on themselves and strangers both at the entrance and at the exit.

So the "police state" could not fail to know that in the United States, in an incomprehensible status, during an epidemic, a certain number of Russian citizens "hang out", including these "lost schoolchildren" ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Insurgent

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

Interesting ... Received visas, bought tickets, crossed borders and the official authorities are completely unaware ?! Get it ... There are no words about border control and the responsibility of our officials for our citizens, especially minors!

[Malyuta]

Quote: Insurgent

Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

And what is characteristic

Quote: Author

Now the Russian Foreign Ministry remembered that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.

but nobody knew about this with us.
Now Madame Zakharova will again "sing" and "dance", Lavrov will again express concern on Russian TV, some kind of a pump with a Maltese passport and a dollar millionaire will speak angrily in the Duma, the drain tank understands the frenzied noise about reptiles and aggressor partners, well and the cherry on top of the cake will be the guaranteed promise of all promises from the "man in the case." Again, the peremog and Rospozorstat's rating will rise.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Insurgent

Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

Yes, and let him deny.
Moreover, even if it does not return.

[smphantom]

Parents of the kids wanted to be the most cunning ... backside.
When the heat begins to yell:
-Russia save !?
Are they put there by Putin or Lavrov?

[DMB 75]

A perfectly right-focused policy of educating the fifth column. In Europe, the same thing has been done in all sorts of colleges, and for a long time.

[Snail N9]

Well, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, despite all the charisma of Lavrov, which is so popular with many here in VO, scored on Russian citizens for a long time, he is engaged in his own business, incomprehensible to the uninitiated, well, like ... "suitcases in Argentina", "organize another money-box", " diplomatically escort-cover up the right deal of the right person "and so on. It is not up to some" schoolchildren "for them now, other tasks ...

[Ilya-spb]

Children must be saved!

And the attitude of Americans in a crisis situation towards guests is the best vaccine against the "fifth column".

[Varyag_0711]

Ilya-spb (Ilya)
Children must be saved!

Who sent them there, let him save. Who are you trying to save? These are no longer our children, these children have already received such a vaccine against Russia that you will be very surprised if you listen to what they are taught there.
So let their parents do the salvation of these children at their own expense.

P.S. And for the FSB it would be necessary to take their children and parents immediately with a pencil. Two hundred percent out of a hundred that these are potential deep-lying spies. It is then that local officials will be made of them. Whose interests they will defend, the question is purely rhetorical ...

[Snarkxnumx]

"Whoever sent them there, let him save. Whom are you trying to save?" You are insane ..... These are children ... You need to be treated ...

[Varyag_0711]

Snark1876 (Andrey)
These are children ... you need to be treated ...

What are you talking about? Well, run, save. Why are you sitting? These are children, in the sense of "they are children."
These children are already 16-17 years old and their parents sent there quite consciously, with well-defined goals. For example, I feel more sorry for my children when these little children whom you are eager to save come into power.

You are crazy .....

Are you sure that I'm crazy, maybe it's just the opposite, maybe you yourself need to turn on your head?

[Stas157]

Quote: Varyag_0711

Who sent them there, let him save. Who are you trying to save? These are not our children anymore, these children have already received such a vaccine against Russia

What, ideology has already muddied the whole mind? Save the country from such commentators!

[Peter Panfilov]

Absolutely right! They hit their "friends" ...

[xvot]

yes, many Russian citizens do not even have a salary for a plane ticket, so their children are at home, well, poor children are in America and not in the orphanage

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Snail N9

scored on Russian citizens a very long time ago

Have Russian citizens not scored at the Foreign Ministry?
Parents could not notify the Ministry of Foreign Affairs exactly where and for what purpose did their children leave?

[AUL]

Quote: DMB 75

Absolutely true-focused policy of the education of the fifth column.

IMHO, you should first of all look at who are the parents of these kids sent to the "school of the fifth column". Obviously these are not the children of turners-teachers-drivers. And a number of hard-hitting questions arise to the Foreign Ministry.
And the guys are sorry, God forbid, be in their place now!

[Malyuta]

Quote: DMB 75

A perfectly right-focused policy of educating the fifth column. In Europe, the same thing has been done in all sorts of colleges, and for a long time.

Yes, the 125th motorcade, the Pechenegs and the Polovtsy are the main threat to the Russian Federation. After all, our main putriots with dual citizenship are our main support in the fight against world evil ..

[knn54]

"And Gnat is not to blame, and Mary is not to blame. Only the hut is to blame for letting Gnat out for the night."
A little off topic. At one time travel agencies and ballroom dancing schools came up with international competitions, usually in a European country. Beautiful letters, cups, etc.
As a result, EVERYTHING was satisfied, including the parents ... up to a certain point.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amateur

And then we wonder where the "Kolisurengoy" comes from. The Americans are preparing the "5th column" in Russia in advance.

Another mildly said "5th column". It smells of serious problems here. Already once they have taught such a "Caudle" led by Sobchak and Kalugin, and everyone knows what happened next.

[Finches]

This long-standing US policy in training pro-American cadres is what an amendment needs to be made to the Constitution, if you have been to an exchange school / university in the United States for even a day and listened to something there, then the path to officials, defense science and the military-industrial complex is closed for you. 100% national traitor, the way to start is latent, but already spoiled product! Of course, in this situation, you need to help the kids - but figure out who sent them there, what kind of program, who are the parents of these children ... And this is not paranoia! I always cite a classic example - Hafizullah Amin, graduated from college at Columbia University ... as a result, the USSR lost more than 15 thousand lives because of this "comrade", the country arrives in the Middle Ages and the USA has a springboard for unrest and drug trafficking in the underbelly of Russia - Amin, the most successful geostrategic project of the American State Department for decades!

[barclay]

Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of his state are located, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as always, beautifully breaks off.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: barclay

Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of their state are located,

And how can the Foreign Ministry know "where and for what reason the subjects of its state are located,"
Where can the Foreign Ministry get this data?

[Malyuta]

Quote: barclay

Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of his state are located, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as always, beautifully breaks off.

It is more important for them to know where the citizens are located inside the country, so that more than three do not gather and do not come close to the ancient fortress with towers and clocks.

[major147]

Quote: Amateur

The Americans are preparing the "5th column" in Russia in advance.

And then the "Kolya boys" appear who, with tears in their eyes, tell what "good" German soldiers were in WWII .....

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

So what about the 5th column, "they are children." Therefore, we urgently need to return home and warm it on the chest of our Motherland ...

[Malyuta]

Quote: Muddy-Seeing ORACLE

Muddy Seeing ORACLE (Artur)

I put a plus for your account plus!

[d ^ Amir]

Well, I don’t believe that these are kids from the "middle class - 17 thousand" ...

[Thrifty]

Only one question is who is to blame? I will not ask how it turned out that 74 citizens of Russia due to someone's stupidity, or self-interest, but turned out to be virtually illegal, since we left this program in the United States, they will appoint them in the fire mode! And why does the jamb on the jamb very often? Who and how removed them from the country, how and where are they now? Why did this actually turn out to be commonplace, why didn’t the herds of our lawyers and the ombudsmen fly to the USA to bring them back home? And, what is the guarantee that this foolish house will not happen again?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

Only one question is who is to blame?

Parents

I will not ask how it happened that 74 citizens of Russia due to someone's stupidity, or self-interest, but it turned out to be virtually illegal, since we left this program in the United States

And who loves a freebie?

Who and how removed them from the country, how and where are they now?

Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States
Themselves kosyachat, but as fried smelled so immediately "Russia, help"
Russia will help, where are we going to get to?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States

But as "WHO"if not as tourists? Explain ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And what about "WHO" if not like tourists? Explain ...

Easily

As it turns out, Russian students in the United States were not as tourists (vacationers).

[Malyuta]

Quote: Insurgent

And what about "WHO" if not like tourists? Explain ..

There are options.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States

And the parents knew perfectly well why they sent their children there. And they were silent until the last so that no one knew anything. And what were these children taught there, since they hid everything like that? Well, of course, not the history of the United States and its fauna and flora.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Thrifty

Why do not the herds of our lawyers and ambassador to fly to the USA to return them home?

Where to fly?

The receiving party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and still have not even provided lists and information about their specific whereabouts.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Where to fly?

Yes, and why fly? You flew by yourself, at your own peril and risk, you flew so that your state does not know about you. And what can a lawyer, a lawyer, and some sort of ambassador be presented to the American side? The salvation of drowning, the work of the drowning themselves.

[major147]

Quote: Thrifty

then stupidity, or self-interest,

Rather, for profit, because organizers and parents sit quietly, like mice under a broom.

[Lipchanin]

that the USA was implementing the SSSP (Secondary School Student Program).

With the long-term task of making them agents of influence.
In other words, the fifth column

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

With the long-term task of making them agents of influence.

Rather, make illegal undercover agents.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Rather, make illegal undercover agents.

Well, which of them are illegal, if everywhere their education in the USA is fixed)

[Same lech]

The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

How so .

[Victor_B]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

How so.

That's how!
As well as with the adoption of orphans.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

How so

As the contract was made, so it will be. Well, officially no one invited them, they drove themselves. If everything was reflected in the contract, and everything is official, then you can make a presentation. But it’s not so simple, and moose’s horns stick out there.

[Victor_B]

Preparation of future "oppositionists". The future fifth column!
From young nails!
This is where the Americans are great, is that they "play long", that is, they have a STRATEGY that they have followed for many decades.
Effective strategy. Repeatedly paid off.
That is why these programs of one-sided "exchange" are continuing so stubbornly, even illegally.
Even our Foreign Ministry does not know about it.

[Same lech]

Russian schoolchildren continued to travel to the USA to study

Preparation of future "oppositionists"

Undoubtedly ... only where does the FSB look then? ... this is their clearing and they should have known about such things and nipped them in the bud.

[major147]

Quote: Victor_B

Preparation of future "oppositionists". The future fifth column!

They will accumulate compres on them. Here they will push who needs to be "smeared" and you look even after 20-30 such a boy is already a deputy, but the most stupid anti-Russian posts will be tapping on the keyboard.

[andrewkor]

Go to the States for "freebie", but who would refuse, even though by the Foreign Ministry! They will study at school, the promising ones will receive grants to study in universities. Here and agents of influence are ready!
But here's an example from life. Little daughter became one of the laureates of the French language competition held by the French Embassy in Uzbekistan. The award is a trip to the French theater festival somewhere in Gascony (Lower Perinei, it seems). All the fun at the expense of the host for five people. The state program to support the French language around the world. 1998 witnessed the triumph of the World Cup finals!

[Same lech]

To go for a "freebie" to the States, but who would refuse, though by the Foreign Ministry!

I know one such one ... I went to the USA on a student visa and stayed there ... now she is a US citizen and pays taxes to this state ... our country, as I understand it, has lost another citizen ... these are the pies from such cooperation from the USA.

[Andrey Mikhaylov]

Each problem has a name, surname and patronymic. And also the address of a residence permit. This is not just a problem that no one knew, it is already a kalaps. Who controls such things.

[jonht]

It is often not a state, but parents are at the forefront. They want to educate and send children for permanent residence over the hill. This is their right, the question of why they sending them there did not notify the authorities? On the other hand, they want to go there, let them get together and go. Will be able to get lucky. No, then here they are not needed, for everyone is to blame, except for them.

[Same lech]

They want to educate and send children for permanent residence over the hill. This is their right, the question of why they sending them there did not notify the authorities?

What a joy this is for our country ... all the benefits are received by the USA.
Youth leak ... brain drain is an indicator that we are not doing well with youth.

[jonht]

Believe me, young people are very different. I worked for 10 years in further education, and enthusiastic children come there and often those who are brought by their parents remain engaged, but the role of the teacher is colossal !!! If he knows how to captivate children (this is not a school, he is not obliged to go), then they go to such people with joy and study with pleasure.

[Same lech]

Of course it’s different ... I myself watch hundreds of children every day and see our future in them ... you can’t give them to a foreign state ... you can’t give them to the USA under any pretext.

[Snail N9]

you can’t give them to a foreign state ... you can’t give them to the United States under any pretext.

You tell this to our state, which has established 17000 rubles with a pass to the "middle class" .. Children, those who are smarter, themselves strive to get the education that is in demand on the world labor market and it is up to them to decide where they will use this education and the acquired skills.

[Tavrik]

Of course not, neither in the United States nor in Europe! Otherwise, they will see how other countries live and think, and this is fraught with the formation of a negative attitude towards Russian reality: "who is to blame and what to do?" Everyone stay at home! In 1813-14 they went on foreign campaigns - then they got the Decembrists. "So you goofs went on a foreign tour" (C).
There is another option - to make our reality attractive to young people. And smart, well-read, competent boys and girls look at how their good, smart, honest and decent parents live for 17-20 thousand and think about their future ... The fish is looking for where it is deeper, and the man - where is better. No one has canceled this rule.

[Svetlana]

Do Russian special services see nothing at all? Really strange.

[Chingachguk]

And what can they mainly teach in the USA? Answer ---- What is the best way to spoil Russia !!!! You can blame me to death, but in most cases this is the case! When was it profitable for the Americans to prepare smart, knowledgeable, reliable personnel for Russia? The answer is never.
Everything depended mainly on the children themselves, how much they were processed by the American special services. What, what, and these things mattresses do great .... Parents sending their children there what they thought? Did they not know that? I am sure they knew! And apparently approved of it .... Many are probably upset that their children will now be returned ....

[Svetlana]

No. They are not taught how to "shit". They are instilled in them a love of America and taught the methods and methods of coups d'etat. From hundreds of tests, they choose one who is able to lead the crowd behind them, on which they will bet and return to Russia. This is not "shit" it is more serious. This is a way to conquer a country without an army.

[1536]

"What happens! You go to school, and then - bam! - the second shift."
(Lyapishev. From the movie "Big Break")

[Adam Khomich]

Do these "schoolchildren" have parents? Probably they issued a power of attorney for export to the organizers of the "exchange"! Indeed, according to the Law, they are the ones who bear full responsibility for their children! Where are the rogue ombudsmen of all levels and other bodies of guardianship and trusteeship looking like locusts. And on what basis does this SSSP (Secondary School Student Program) work in Russia unilaterally? Where are all the many overseers on the state budget?

[7,62x54]

It's like: "You climbed into our pocket for 6 years, and did not tell us anything. No shame, even if you warned you. Now we are making a remark to you!"

[Mihail55]

A WAR has long been going against us (declared ... not declared ...). And in LOGO I send children to study. And now the moaning has gone. I am surprised ... such things would previously be kept in the strictest confidence. We are already completely began to hold for idiots ??? How many failures have already happened ... and no one to blame. Sadly

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: Insurgent

With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...

decipher pzhsta your deep thought about "indifferent indulgence"!

[maykl8]

And on the other hand, colleagues, how else to introduce agents to undermine damned capitalism and the expropriation of technology? IMHO. The competent authorities see and know everything. The work is on. And the Russian Foreign Ministry is working out its part of the legend.

[Fast_mutant]

Quote: den3080

parents wanted, the child wanted

I would like to know whose children are these? "Simple mortals", apparently, there are not many

[Svetlana]

Officials at the level of regions and large cities, I think. The smaller ones will not have the arrogance and money, because children need food. And the larger federal officials are covered by special services. Their children study at Moscow State University.

[Curbstone xnumx]

Children of mere mortals, not there

[vlad cave]

Yes, I think we mean a lot of things that we don’t know yet. The virus will reveal a lot more.

[APASUS]

So I believed in the strangeness of the event. Just try to get a visa to the United States, you are my strange ............

[sabakina]

I am sure that these are children of not simple hard workers, and certainly not oligarchs. Most likely these are the children of regional officials. So that....

[Chingachguk]

This means that for the most part, Russian officials would gladly move to live in the United States, further away from Russia. They themselves didn’t succeed, so at least the kids should live great ...

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

That's what you break your spears like in a bazaar during hipesha. Read on their resources, if not laziness of course. This is a one-way program for high school students. It takes part in it on the basis of the application you are selling. I emphasize this is your personal decision to participate in it. And you take all the risks precisely because it is one-sided. Russian authorities, official organizations are not legally liable for not being seduced by the opportunity to send another baby to the United States by weighing the risks. This is the shining light of democracy, wealth and generally hail on the hill !!! If you get a little jerk somewhere in Somalia on business, the state has to do with? Here the situation is similar. And there are many such unilateral programs.
Regarding again, where the state was looking. And we have freedom. Tomorrow, think of the state to begin total control as in the Soviet Union, you are the first platoon that we have totalitarianism !!!
In general, I believe that all people are adults and should have a head on their shoulders and a bit of personal responsibility for their actions. Do you want to stick your head in .... Do not complain later that it stuck and stained.

[Same lech]

In general, I believe that all people are adults

Well, the children are still not adults ... not all of them understand what is happening to them.

[_Sergei_]

They rode with the consent of their parents. What did parents think only about a freebie?

[fif21]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Well, the children are still not adults ... not all of them understand what is happening to them.

Parents must understand! Guaydenyshey (Guaydo) educate. Here are the parents and send to the mattresses, to their children, and deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation.

[jovanni]

Well Foreign Ministry! N-n-n-a ... yes ... razzzzyavy!

[Adam Khomich]

Quote: Evil543

Foreign Ministry informs?

You will not believe it, but you must register at the consulate at the place of rest if you left yourself. If he is driven by a travel agency, then it takes on this responsibility!

[aglet]

Quote: Svetlana

And the larger federal officials are covered by special services. Their children study at Moscow State University.

such as Peskov’s daughter

[Mountain shooter]

An absolutely wild situation ... Would you like to investigate the "sauce" under which the schoolchildren were transported? IMHO, for "guest" visas. And the State Department could not but know about it ... The technology of "sucking" brains from other countries in action. Who made the selection? In Russia? Calculate, and ... ask ... With passion!
And if this is a personal initiative of the parents - then the bill for the evacuation to the parents! Plus a "bonus" for disturbing the Foreign Ministry!

[rocket757]

Tail nagging EVERYONE who is involved in this.
On the ears or in another way, the investigation will figure it out!
Parents first of all !!!

[Esaul]

Most probably children of officials

[bar]

even for the Foreign Ministry, the situation with Russian schoolchildren in the USA was a complete surprise

It is strange that the intelligence services did not inform. Or were they also unaware of the mass training of agents of influence? Then the trouble ...

[JD1979]

Quote: bar

It is strange that the intelligence services did not inform. Or were they also unaware of the mass training of agents of influence? Then the trouble ...

The trouble ... Urgently check the personal scout assigned to your child or not, if not, call the hotline, the country is in danger.
PS: intelligence has nothing more to do than shepherd all students abroad.

[bar]

PS: intelligence has nothing more to do than shepherd all students abroad.

I repeat - then trouble.

[bar]

And now it suddenly turned out that the “exchange programs” were not actually curtailed, and the US embassy in Russia and the State Department illegally continued the selection and removal of Russian students for the “exchange program”. They were taken to the United States on private visas, that is, hiding the real purpose of the trip. In intelligence, this is called "legend."

https://vz.ru/politics/2020/4/15/1034551.html
And you laughed ...

[Maks1995]

Yeah. Did not know. And the parents did not know, and the Embassy, ​​and customs ....

As at one time they did not know what Peskov seemed to have, his daughter worked as an assistant to the European MP, in the midst of sanctions and a break in relations ...

[nikvic46]

0 If there wasn’t a pandemic, no one would have remembered these guys. For some time, there suddenly appeared faith in a good uncle who is a sponsor. 90 years we weren’t taught when many young people, promising a good job, were simply deceived. When the state leaves from the problems associated with traveling abroad, a different infection appears. In the end, let them go. But what they import from there must be in control.

[rocket757]

Question - AND PARENTS WHAT THOUGHT THAN?
This is very similar to the desire / preparation of those who are "to blame"!
The consulate knows only about those citizens who are registered with the consulate! So what claims to the Foreign Ministry.
Even to the authorities not to make any special claims until it is clear what structures / organizations arranged this "school landing" in the camp of the ENEMY!
Even in the mines of education, someone could / could not know. In short, a muddy story, the ends of which must be sought and chopped so that Schaub was not discouraged by others !!!
In short, seek, understand and punish everyone who is to blame for nonsense or criminal acts!
Children need to be returned, this is understandable, even if they are from those who intend to bring down. Let them then knock themselves down, officially, of their own conscious choice.

[Ros 56]

It can be seen that the country's leadership was gathering GDP from masochists, we are being hit by slaps from all sides, and ours, apart from concerns, do not express anything. And then, when it is already completely impossible not to react. And this is very bad, you must always respond appropriately, otherwise even striped mongrel begin to bark too loudly. And it would be necessary to gird one, the other with a whip along the ridge, you should look at the agility and reduce it. Do not try to be holier than the Pope.

[Chaldon48]

Now, probably all hope for the SVR, maybe the GRU, I don’t know, can they help at least find the kids among those who were shown the door and they had to solve their problems on their own.

[sleeve]

Is this a joke from Zakharova’s side? Students on tourist visas for several months went? Perhaps without relatives? And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not ask themselves what do teenagers do there during the school year? Why are you fooling around?

[Professor]

Now it (of this program, approx. “VO”), the implementation in the fire order is being minimized due to a pandemic. The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

To lie like that. A 16-year-old schoolgirl appeared on a flight to Moscow with tickets in her hands, but she was not allowed on the flight as it was intended only "for Muscovites and residents of the Moscow region", and the girl was from Novosibirsk. Zakharova left her to herself since the educational program had already ended. Zakharova just now remembered about her? Or after Trump threatened with sanctions those countries that obstruct the evacuation of their citizens from the United States?

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Like this? Minor Russians were in the United States alone, and the Russian Foreign Ministry could not take a single foot? Or maybe these children were forcibly kept there or God forbid they adopted him in violation of the law of scoundrels?

[Insurgent]

Quote: professor

Like this? Minor Russians were in the United States alone, and the Russian Foreign Ministry could not take a single foot? Or maybe these children were forcibly kept there or God forbid they adopted him in violation of the law of scoundrels?

A rare case when I support you Professor...

[vitalm]

The fifth column is quietly being prepared

[Operator]

And why, damn it, to return underage initiators to their homeland at state expense?

Let them go homeless - they get used to the local situation in the United States until their parents or the State Department pay them back the tickets.

[Ingenegr]

The situation is, in general, quite understandable. Interstate exchange programs should not be confused with private ones. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs keeps track of all official transfers. And in this situation we are talking about the "left" program.

[Ham]

it’s necessary to find out who on our part participated in all this ... who covered all this movement

[yfast]

How to get into a difficult situation, so immediately the students. And how they got there, so, apparently, they got lost in the Russian forests and went along the path directly to Washington. There would be no virus, no one would know about this magical path. We will consider them American children.

[Shadow041]

And what, in the Russian Federation it became bad with universities, or are these Russophobia kids who went Russophobia from the owners of the Rains to study ?! Well, let them stay there, among them are citizens of the Russian Federation, like a Chinese from me ..

[svp67]

First of all, she raises the question of the level of control,

It's already funny ... Is this the only story that poses such a question? If so, then it's already good ... Well, now this problem with children has been discovered, but what next? The Foreign Ministry will undertake "heroic" efforts to save ... according to the results, someone will be rewarded for this, but who will be punished? Who on our side promoted all this? Which of the officials was tied up? Will these people answer? Like those in power during the pandemic, despite the ban, "on the sly" flew "to rest" in Spain, Italy, the United States, etc., bringing the "infection" from there?

[comradChe]

Charming, charming .... bother her into a swing!

[sanik2020]

Imagine if the United States was preparing its agents from Russian children, and now in Russia no one, not a dream, what will happen next when these agents take office and begin to act.?

[aries2200]

Did the FSB know?

[Hto tama]

I read the comments, most of them about whether our Foreign Ministry should or should not know about its citizens abroad. I don’t know about the Foreign Ministry, I have another question: does the FSB know about these "educational" programs What are these children being taught? Won't we get any terrorist cells after such training? Not for anyone, I think it’s not a secret who is the main sponsor of terrorism in the world

[rocket757]

And how can the FSB hinder the departure of schoolchildren from the CONSENT of PARENTS, organized, under the supervision of an adult escort and PAID BY PARENTS, for example ???
Do we have an iron curtain and there are legitimate reasons for not allowing this to happen?
If the responsible authorities are not in the know, they didn’t take such a landing on a pencil in the ENEMY camp, they need to write down plumes for this.
So you need to understand and take reasonable measures.
Who knows how and why this exit was made out. Figures are different, FIG knows how everything was designed .... we can "tourists", see the world?
Questions should be to the PARENTS!
And then all the claims to the authorities, and the "kids" and their parents are not guilty!
This makes no sense.

[Reptiloid]

Greetings, Victor!

... And how can the FSB interfere? ......

Of course! No way, Victor! I think that even parents accepted all kinds of conspiratorial measures by sending children to an officially canceled program. And so much time, almost 6 years, this conspiracy acted?

[rocket757]

Hi Dmitry
So that no one knows anything at all, it doesn’t. But it happens that the signal from the lower level is ignored at a higher level !!! Here it is also necessary to UNDERSTAND! Chop the tails to the ears.
But EVERYONE should hold the answer now.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

Hi Dmitry ..... it happens that the signal from the lower level is ignored at a higher level !!! ..... But everyone should answer, now.

ALL ---- probably pretending to be valenki and deceived, but it wouldn’t hurt to expose parents to it ..... let the juvenile police go to them every day, but what kind of penalty would be for violating the quarantine and leaving children in danger ...

[rocket757]

And yet, the process of traveling abroad of teenagers outside the family is the execution of a bunch of documents!
There are signatures, seals, permits and other bureaucracy for which specific employees can be asked! I hope they do it, finally.

[Hto tama]

I didn’t mention in my comment that the FSB should somehow impede the departure, I asked if this service had any idea what and how these children were taught .And at the expense of parents, well, let them be dealt with by the guardianship authorities and the PDN, although if it turns out who is being prepared from these children by all these funds and "benefactors", then it would not hurt to check other bodies. Excuse me, but the hedgehog understands that they are there They definitely teach not to love their homeland. And yes, I agree with the comment below, let the parents themselves take care of the export of their children.

[rocket757]

Quote: Hto tama

Forgive me, but the hedgehog understands that they are definitely taught there not to love their homeland.

Most likely it is, most likely the parents did it consciously, BUT, we need to "develop" this case, ie. either the grounds or an indication from above.
Those. Now there are reasons, but will there be instructions from above ??? we will see.

[bogart047]

why are these children needed? Let them stay there, more harm from them. Once at your own peril and risk flew there, let them return in the same way.

[BAI]

I would dismiss all those involved in this case from the Russian Federation. Including those who were "not in the know."

[rocket757]

It’s necessary to break all the goodies, first of all to parents! With officials who are in the know and not in the know, ask, with a record on the ears.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

It’s necessary to break all the goodies, first of all to parents! With officials who are in the know and not in the know, ask, with a record on the ears.

I think that now many are spared the illusions of American democracy. and about the place of Russians in it.

[rocket757]

So there, even as if they divided theirs into grades!
It always has been, it just crawled out clearly.

[Reptiloid]

Ever since pre-perestroika times, our leaders, with low social responsibility, imagined that they would be equal with the Western bourgeoisie if they agreed. Time and events since then have shown that no! Not an equal. Not all of this came to everyone. They decided that their children would be equal to staff members. Events show that no, not equal, so consumables .. in the actions of the states against historical Russia.

[rocket757]

Quote: Reptiloid

Not a match.

but who and where betrayed their people respected? handouts thrown, for a look, and so, only on a side chair and then for the time being.

[16112014nk]

Can you read out a list of these "schoolchildren"? And who are their parents?
But these "schoolchildren" are a ready-made "fifth column".

[rocket757]

The correct assessment of the situation! And then everyone is to blame, but their parents are not very innocent ???
It is high time to decide that EVERYONE should bear his own measure of responsibility!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

...... all are to blame, but the parents are not very innocent at all ??? ......!

I'm embarrassed to say, but I have a suspicion that the parents, maybe bribes, bonuses, which they gave to those who organized such "" exchanges "" ....

[rocket757]

This assumption deserves to be! But .... wait, that the trial will show. It will be more true.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

This assumption deserves to be! But .... wait, that the trial will show. It will be more true.

So it was written, what about the exchange, and what changed for what? Something about American children is not mentioned, what would they be here

[rocket757]

Not clear! We will not rush to conclusions.

[Reptiloid]

Victor, remember how in Murphy's Laws? ((or in the consequences of their laws)) - if it is not clear what it is about ---- it means, about money

Quote: rocket757

Not clear! We will not rush to conclusions.

[rocket757]

Everything ultimately comes down to grandmas!
But this does not detract from all intermediate Wishlist.

[orionvitt]

educational programs for Russian children can be "worked out" and unilaterally

What's surprising? There are hundreds of similar programs in the West, almost at every major Russophobic fund, so to speak in private, but under the guise of the State Department. Studying in the West is a deliberate choice of children and their parents (it's so fashionable anywhere, just not in a "filthy rashka), let them get out by themselves. Or have they now remembered about the state?"

[Curbstone xnumx]

And then these “schoolchildren” will sell the country piece by piece

[faterdom]

Quote: alexmach

And who should follow your children? MFA? Lavrov personally? Maybe Putin?

Actually, these three for sure. And besides them there are many others. Not a single school or university in the country should independently conduct any kind of international activity (and exchange is still such), without notification, or better yet, without permission from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and any children's ombudsmen there.
And if these people don’t want it personally, then they are not in the right place - it’s as simple as that, and there is no need for amendments to the Constitution...
Or is it still necessary: ​​“It is prohibited for all officials to squander Russian children to foreign states under the guise of adoption, student exchange, teaching something by the State Department, or in any other way...”?
Without amendments, life has no purpose and is meaningless? How can there be no differentiation of pants?

[Incvizitor]

What were parents thinking when sending their children to this place? It’s like sending martyrs to ISIS to study; children are now essentially dead for humanity. Not the parents, but... They will give me a ban again, there are no words.

[rocket757]

They're innocent and didn't know?
There was only one answer to everything, there is, I hope they will wean off these too! So let's go!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

They're innocent and didn't know? ... there was only one answer, there is... now they will wean off these too! .....!

If these are weaned off, others will be found

[Light]

This is what the life-giving virus does! Muddy schemes for the departure and training of Amer’s democracy for new bulks are being revealed

[Super]

In general, it is not clear - who in their right mind would go to a state hostile to Russia, with which we are at war?

[turbris]

Strange story! Our schoolchildren ended up in the USA, under some programs that no one in Russia knows about, do you believe? I don’t, the main thing is that there are specific people who, together with their parents, must be responsible for this mess.

[Brigadier]

It seems to me that there are not quite ordinary “schoolchildren” studying there and according to an not quite ordinary American “training program”, who are apparently being prepared by American “teachers” along the path followed by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other figures...

Then the question arises - why take them out of there?
Let them stay there until the full course is completed."American training".

After all, I believe they are sure that America is the best country, including in terms of medicine. Let them be convinced of this to the fullest. To end...

And we will come for them later... (you understand - when... ...) let's rejoice!

And for those who still don’t understand anything, remember someone and everything will become clear right away...
For example, Kolya from Novy Urengoy...

[T.Henks]

And to hell with these schoolchildren. Moms and dads happily sent them there, even if they were worried about returning. The elite (well, the ones that never sink) should be encouraged to live forever in paradise.

[Pvi1206]

the right hand of power does not know what the left is doing...and so in everything...

[petrol cutter]

What a twist!..
A lot of questions arose. Moreover, not to me.

[seacap]

And in our dumpster-beau monde, it’s easier to name someone whose children are not on their “Olympus”, and all the county princes have thrown their relatives there. Our “upper boyar” class does not see and does not connect their future, either for themselves or for their children, with the country and people they despise, at whose expense they can fatten and carouse in the metropolis overseas.

[Azis]

Quote: major147

Most likely some kind of "left" scheme.

We need to grab hold of the office that in Russia is engaged in sending students for the “Secondary School Student Program”; isn’t it directly the State Department that selects and sends schoolchildren for it?