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Strange situation with the "stuck" in the US Russian high school students

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Strange situation with the "stuck" in the US Russian high school students

On the eve of the news agencies there was information that more than 70 Russian schoolchildren were not evacuated from the United States. The information was confirmed by the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Maria Zakharova. According to her, we are talking about 74 high school students who are “stuck” in the United States.


As it turns out, Russian schoolchildren in the United States were not as tourists (vacationers). The US Embassy informed the US State Department about schoolchildren that attracts special attention. It turned out that the USA was implementing the SSSP (Secondary School Student Program).

Zakharova:

Now it (of this program, approx. “VO”), the implementation in the fire order is being minimized due to a pandemic. The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

According to the official of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the department learned about the presence in the USA of other children who also received training in various educational programs. According to Zakharova, the host families of some of them "put out the door."

The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

Now, the Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.

But, as it turns out, all this time, Russian students continued to travel to the United States to study. Maria Zakharova now speaks of "the demarches made by the State Department and the US Embassy in Moscow."

Zakharova:

There is no substantive reaction yet.

From all this we can conclude that even for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs the situation with Russian schoolchildren in the USA was a complete surprise.

It turns out that for six years, neither the Russian Foreign Ministry, nor the Ministry of Education and Science (now the Ministry of Education) were aware that the US school exchange programs were not curtailed at all?

Historystrange to say the least. First of all, she raises the question of the level of control, and that educational programs on Russian children can be “worked out” unilaterally.
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  1. Amateur
    Amateur April 15 2020 07: 25 New
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    It turns out that for six years, neither the Russian Foreign Ministry, nor the Ministry of Education and Science (now the Ministry of Education) were aware that the US school exchange programs were not curtailed at all?

    And then we wonder where the Kolisurengoy comes from. The Americans are preparing the 5th column in Russia in advance.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 15 2020 07: 38 New
      11
      Quote: Amateur
      And then we wonder where the Kolisurengoy comes from. The Americans are preparing the 5th column in Russia in advance.

      With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...
      The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

      Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 April 15 2020 07: 39 New
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        . About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

        An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

        By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 15 2020 07: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Stas157
          An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are!

          This is a shame ... Which, in other matters, will soon be "hushed up", and as usual, without making any conclusions ...
          Quote: Stas157
          And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

          And the State Department, thus, skillfully and sophisticatedly, “with relish,” mocked Russia ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 April 15 2020 08: 07 New
            +8
            The host does not bear any responsibility for children

            And our side is responsible for these children? If it bears, then why did they end up there?

            and still did not even provide lists and information about their specific location.

            Sounds helpless. Why should someone keep an eye on our children? I don’t demand this from my neighbor. I control the situation myself.

            And if our Foreign Ministry wants this from the Americans, then there was no need to do:

            Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014
            1. dzvero
              dzvero April 15 2020 08: 26 New
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              Not to the detriment of you, but the United States does not give location information for private requests. Brother Kuma was in the states for a long time and there was no news from him for several years. Kum turned to the embassy a couple of times, they refused information. Maybe the case is solitary, but indicative.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 15 2020 08: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: dzvero
                US location information by private do not give requests

                You're right. But, the requests of the Foreign Ministry and the exchange program with the USA are not private requests, and interstate affairs.
                1. dzvero
                  dzvero April 15 2020 08: 50 New
                  +3
                  I inserted “private requests” because it’s impossible for parents to control for themselves. Only through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In the meantime, state-owned cars will open up ... and with the "exhaust" it is not clear ... which is what we observe in this case.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 15 2020 08: 59 New
                  16
                  Quote: Stas157
                  But, the requests of the Foreign Ministry and the exchange program with the United States are not private requests, but interstate affairs.

                  They do not care.
                  The judge of the American New Pupinsk will decide that it is impossible to transmit information, and the Foreign Ministry will be with a nose.
                  Even if it would be a violation of the Russian-American agreement, as it was with the adopted.
                3. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 34 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Stas157
                  exchange programs with the USA are not private requests, but interstate affairs.

                  The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.
                4. Avior
                  Avior April 15 2020 10: 37 New
                  +8
                  Foreign Ministry requests and exchange programs with the United States - these are not private requests, but interstate affairs

                  if there was an interstate agreement, then undoubtedly
                  What if parents simply sent their children to participate in the program without such an agreement?
                5. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek April 15 2020 15: 47 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  But, the requests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the exchange program with the USA are not private requests, but interstate affairs


                  Factory "Kohl from Urengoy." Why are Russian schoolchildren secretly transported to the United States?

                  In 2014, Russia announced an indefinite suspension of its participation in the FLEX program.

                  https://aif.ru/politics/world/fabrika_kol_iz_urengoya_zachem_rossiyskih_shkolnikov_tayno_vozyat_v_ssha?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr


                  strange you ... you don't like the dictatorship, freedom too !!! fool laughing choose something already !!! lol
                6. Alex Justice
                  Alex Justice April 15 2020 17: 50 New
                  0
                  This is beneficial for someone.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach April 15 2020 08: 51 New
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              And our side is responsible for these children? If it bears, then why did they end up there?

              And how is she, excuse me, can this interfere with that? That child goes abroad of his own free will with all the necessary parental permissions and? What should “your side” do in this case? Iron curtain?
              Why should someone keep an eye on our children?

              And who should follow your children? MFA? Lavrov personally? Maybe Putin?
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 15 2020 09: 32 New
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                Quote: alexmach
                And who should follow your children? MFA? Lavrov personally? Maybe Putin?

                It looks like the US State Department!
            3. Svateev
              Svateev April 15 2020 13: 02 New
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              Quote: Stas157
              why did they end up there?

              Because parents do not notify state agencies that send children to study for a long time. Russia, if you have forgotten, is a free country - whoever wants to, goes there and sends children. And then he yells: "Help, save, take out!"
            4. krillon
              krillon April 16 2020 15: 23 New
              0
              Funny, don’t you? They suggest that in connection with the coronovirus, everything on the pencil, electronic passes, will soon think of putting on boletts. And the fact that in America, schoolchildren are no one in the know, you see. I would like to know by what programs they were sent there if the Foreign Ministry is not in the know? Although some kind of nonsense, the purpose of the visit in the papers should have been indicated, which means that all the information in the Foreign Ministry is available.
          2. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 April 15 2020 11: 36 New
            0
            Could issue through third countries to circumvent sanctions
            1. krillon
              krillon April 16 2020 15: 30 New
              +2
              So privately. And the responsibility is above all parents. Something tells me that people are not with a salary of 25.000 rubles and are quite capable of solving their problems without the help of the state.
          3. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik April 16 2020 12: 19 New
            +1
            It's a shame...

            This is not a shame. This is complete lack of control. It seems that there are no professionals left. Each solves his own personal problems, and the interests of the state sideways.
        2. shark
          shark April 15 2020 08: 54 New
          -3
          I am becoming more and more convinced that our country is not a power but a country an imitation of activity. This is worse than a country gas station. The blatant lack of professionalism at all levels of government does not even make you want to laugh. They learned to tear, steal, kickbacks. But to do their work, no.
          1. 4ekist
            4ekist April 15 2020 12: 32 New
            +7
            The fault of the parents. First of all, they are in demand, the second is the US Embassy (visa department).
            1. shark
              shark April 16 2020 08: 50 New
              +2
              FSB wines. After all, it is precisely it that must know and lead by name of all those who drive in and out. Or total control OVER ALL. Or this is not a country, but a complete mess.
              1. 4ekist
                4ekist April 16 2020 12: 17 New
                -1
                This is just unreal. Entry-exit from the country is disappearing by millions. It’s not possible to keep track of each, especially if they are not in any black lists.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 15 2020 09: 13 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are!

          Do you think the Russian Foreign Ministry knows where every Russian citizen goes? They issued a passport, and then people themselves choose where to go. This event was not coordinated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the program is not state-owned, and we went at our own risk.
          1. Faron
            Faron April 15 2020 12: 49 New
            0
            Is there a database at the airport at customs? Does it show who flies out, who flies? Does it indicate the direction of movement? Maybe yes.
            Is it impossible to upload all this to a file, for example, Excel, then exclude those who arrived and eventually get those who did not return.
            1. Svateev
              Svateev April 15 2020 13: 10 New
              +6
              Quote: Faron
              and eventually get those who did not return.

              Can. But what will it give? People freely went where they wanted. Offer to return by force?
              The Foreign Ministry is now simply making claims to the State Department that exchange programs continued secretly from our Foreign Ministry. This is a showdown between the two states. And a lesson for parents who sent children without having the support of our state.
        4. _Sergei_
          _Sergei_ April 15 2020 09: 16 New
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          They traveled privately at the invitation of the Americans. Russia did not send them. Now they got everything they wanted. Guilty are the parents who decided to send them to America for free. All these programs are tied to various American funds such as Sorovskie.
        5. major147
          major147 April 15 2020 09: 25 New
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          Quote: Stas157
          Ours did not know where their children are!

          The question is, do these children have parents? Why do they sit quietly like mice and do not turn to the Foreign Ministry? Something suspicious ....
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: major147
            The question is, do these children have parents?

            And parents are glad that the children left to study for free
            1. major147
              major147 April 15 2020 09: 47 New
              +8
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: major147
              The question is, do these children have parents?

              And parents are glad that the children left to study for free

              Yes, it is understood that they are glad. Just now their joyful screeching is not heard.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 52 New
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                Quote: major147
                Yes, it’s understood that we’re glad. Just now you can’t hear their joyful screeching

                Now they are not screaming for them, but everyone barks at the Foreign Ministry and the state
                1. major147
                  major147 April 15 2020 09: 54 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  bark at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the state all and sundry

                  I wrote below that no one put them on the consular register. Not clean here .....
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 18 New
                    +6
                    Quote: major147
                    I wrote below that no one put them on the consular register. Not clean here .....

                    Of course not clean. The program is officially closed.
                    So by and large they at least gave incorrect information about the purpose of visiting the country
                  2. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: major147
                    . Not clean here .....

                    And you know what came to my mind now.
                    Or maybe it was an exam for these kids, well, or an offset, according to the desdritization of our Foreign Ministry
                    See how it goes
                    The consulate did not report the purpose of arrival and location.
                    They turned for help not to our consulate, but to the State Department
                    The pandemic is not the first day, but "put out of the door" just now
                    Parents did not raise the alarm
                    Yes, and there are still oddities ..
                    Yes, not everything is clean here
                    1. major147
                      major147 April 15 2020 11: 41 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      on deskriditatsii our Foreign Ministry

                      Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: major147
                        Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...

                        Yes, I'm talking about what our kids organized
                      2. major147
                        major147 April 15 2020 15: 47 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Quote: major147
                        Yes, with the naked eye you can see that the setup ...

                        Yes, I'm talking about what our kids organized

                        They are just a means. Organizers overseas.
          2. primaala
            primaala April 15 2020 10: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: major147
            The question is, do these children have parents?

            And parents are glad that the children left to study for free

            It would be interesting to know the names of these children. I think we’ll be surprised ...
            (unlikely to be published)
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: primaala
              It would be interesting to know the names of these children.

              Well, what will it give you?
              And why do you need these names?
              1. primaala
                primaala April 15 2020 10: 21 New
                +2
                And why do you need these names?
                ==============
                ... to understand ... in whose interests was such a "march" for the education of our children under the State Department.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 47 New
                  +1
                  Surnames will give you the notion ".. in whose interests there was such a" march "for the education of our children under the State Department." This is how in this way the names say about it? laughing
            2. Overlock
              Overlock April 15 2020 14: 42 New
              +8
              Quote: primaala
              It would be interesting to know the names of these children.

              offhand you can guess: from high-income families with real estate abroad. Most likely, from the families of deputies and government officials of all stripes.
              Quote: primaala
              I think we’ll be surprised ...

              What?
        6. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 15 2020 11: 40 New
          -5
          Quote: major147
          The question is, do these children have parents?

      2. primaala
        primaala April 15 2020 09: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        . About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

        An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

        By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.

        The training program was supervised by the US State Department.
        The United States conducted training programs secretly from Russian authorities. Moscow made demarches to the US State Department and the embassy to find out on what grounds the children left the country.
        And for reference: in 2014, Russia REFUSED the US State Department to undergo training for our students at the US State Department.
        And further. At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
        Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???
        1. major147
          major147 April 15 2020 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: primaala
          At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
          Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???

          It would be that our Foreign Ministry “banged its head against a blank wall," And the West poked a finger.
          1. primaala
            primaala April 15 2020 11: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: major147
            Quote: primaala
            At the moment, the State Department has NOT provided data on Russian teenagers.
            Isn't it strange ??? American side behavior ???

            It would be that our Foreign Ministry “banged its head against a blank wall," And the West poked a finger.

            The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is clearly already "running" in circles with a fright. I think they already struck who sent their children. The news presented the information - "clarify the situation ..", etc.
            1. major147
              major147 April 15 2020 12: 02 New
              +5
              Quote: primaala
              The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is clearly already "running" in circles with a fright.

              There is no need for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "run on cylinders," speaking your language, this is not their "cant." Parents control their children. If the children went abroad with the consent of the parents, then the demand is from the parents. Non-official Russian organizations exported them abroad, and accordingly, official structures have nothing to do with it. I would not be surprised if, as a result of the investigation, it turns out that the children were taken out privately "for treatment".
              1. primaala
                primaala April 15 2020 12: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: major147
                There is no need for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to "run on cylinders," speaking your language, this is not their "cant."

                "this is not their" cant "" - this is the "cant" (in your language).
                US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ... And even more so children.
                And I already wrote, the State Department has repeatedly received a proposal to educate our students in their troubled program, to which the Russian Federation answered NO.
                1. major147
                  major147 April 15 2020 12: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: primaala
                  (in your language).

                  Well, where does the "cirles" of the Foreign Ministry if
                  RF replied NO.
                  1. primaala
                    primaala April 15 2020 12: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: major147
                    Quote: primaala
                    (in your language).

                    Well, where does the "cirles" of the Foreign Ministry if
                    RF replied NO.

                    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (MFA of Russia) is the federal executive body of the Russian Federation that exercises state administration in the field of relations of the Russian Federation with foreign states and international organizations.
                    US STATE DEPARTMENT - What function do ???????????
                    1. major147
                      major147 April 15 2020 15: 51 New
                      -1
                      Quote: primaala
                      Quote: major147
                      Quote: primaala
                      (in your language).

                      Well, where does the "cirles" of the Foreign Ministry if
                      RF replied NO.

                      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation (MFA of Russia) is the federal executive body of the Russian Federation that exercises state administration in the field of relations of the Russian Federation with foreign states and international organizations.
                      US STATE DEPARTMENT - What function do ???????????

                      We have a dumb conversation with the deaf! You speak
                      The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is clearly already "running" in circles with a fright.
                      what am I telling you
                      "The Foreign Ministry does not need to" run on cylinders, "
                      it is not his fault, but raking him. Or do we understand the "circles" in different ways.
                2. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: primaala
                  US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ..

                  Yes, because these children and their parents asked for help not at our embassy or consulate, but at the State Department
                  Does this not tell you anything?
                  1. primaala
                    primaala April 15 2020 12: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: primaala
                    US STATE DEPARTMENT strangely appears ..

                    Yes, because these children and their parents asked for help not at our embassy or consulate, but at the State Department
                    Does this not tell you anything?

                    So, therefore, they are also interested in the Foreign Ministry - WHO is behind everything for this arbitrariness.
                  2. primaala
                    primaala April 15 2020 12: 50 New
                    +3
                    I will add: In addition, the United States conducted these educational programs secretly from the Russian authorities and did not report them to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
                    "For its part, the Foreign Ministry and Russian diplomatic institutions in the United States, of course, are doing everything possible to find children," Zakharova said and asked their parents and teachers to provide any information that would help in this situation.
      3. Vend
        Vend April 15 2020 09: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        . About schoolchildren that attracts special attention, Russian Embassy informed the US State Department.

        An interesting picture! Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

        By the way, schoolchildren could already be taken out on those planes with which Americans were sent help. It would be if our authorities really controlled the situation with Russian schoolchildren.

        "Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system as early as 2014. The rejection was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home."
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Wend
          The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home. "

          But our people are on the drum. After all, we went for free
          1. major147
            major147 April 15 2020 09: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Lipchanin
            But our people are on the drum.

            Most likely some kind of "left" scheme.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 20 New
              +3
              Quote: major147
              Most likely some kind of "left" scheme.

              Of course
              Education of new "bulk"
              Fifth Column Needs "Fresh Blood"
      4. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

        Did the parents of these children inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where their children are?
        1. Vend
          Vend April 15 2020 09: 49 New
          +5
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Stas157
          Ours did not know where their children are! And our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about this, they say, take your children already.

          Did the parents of these children inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where their children are?

          Probably not, but knowing how the representatives of the State Department lie, I won’t be surprised if it turns out that the parents were just lying brazenly, they say the children are in order.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            Probably not

            Yes, not likely, but definitely not informed.
            I think my parents didn’t know what to do.
            Entrusted to the Merikos
            Freebie eyes and mind closed
      5. vik669
        vik669 April 15 2020 18: 40 New
        -1
        An interesting picture! Ours did not know where your children are! This is from what orphanage they were sent to the United States and for whose money!
      6. Plate
        Plate April 16 2020 08: 10 New
        0
        Ours did not know where their children are!

        We have the same freedom of movement. Tracking and restricting is prohibited. Wherever they wanted, they flew there :)
    2. den3080
      den3080 April 15 2020 07: 48 New
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      Quote: Insurgent
      Quote: Amateur
      And then we wonder where the Kolisurengoy comes from. The Americans are preparing the 5th column in Russia in advance.

      With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...
      The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

      Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

      I do not really understand where does the Russian Foreign Ministry?
      parents wanted, the child wanted, wrote a statement, joined the program, received a visa and sent to study.
      All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.
      and work abroad and tourism as well. Restrictions apply only to persons with access to state secrets (defense industry, law enforcement agencies) and criminals.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 15 2020 07: 58 New
        -13
        Quote: den3080
        All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.

        It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?
        And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

        It seems to me that you are somewhat mistaken, otherwise then the borders of the Russian Federation are a passage yard, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is an organization like "Kolkhoz Incorporated LTD" in a bad way ...
        1. den3080
          den3080 April 15 2020 08: 14 New
          15
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: den3080
          All this happened and is happening without the knowledge of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, but with the knowledge (visa) of the corresponding department of the host country. for almost 30 years.

          It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?
          And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

          It seems to me that you are somewhat mistaken, otherwise then the borders of the Russian Federation are a passage yard, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is an organization like "Kolkhoz Incorporated LTD" in a bad way ...

          The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. Such information is available from the FSB, that is, from border guards who put stamps in their passports at checkpoints.
          This "database" gets into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only for statistics and periodically, as I understand it. Otherwise, the consular offices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would not ask the citizens of the Russian Federation to write applications for registering their whereabouts abroad (which is now happening in droves to organize the export to their homeland).
          And then ... a citizen crossed the border of Finland, with a Schengen visa obtained at the Finnish consulate, and drove off to rest or live in Spain or Thailand (visa-free) or the Dominican Republic ... yes, anywhere. Like fleas. To calculate (to know) who is where - Sisyphean labor and generally useless.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 15 2020 08: 26 New
            -14
            Quote: den3080
            The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. Such information is available from the FSB, that is, from border guards who put stamps in their passports at checkpoints.
            This "database" gets into the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only for statistics and periodically, as I understand it. Otherwise, the consular offices of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would not have asked citizens of the Russian Federation to write statements to register their whereabouts abroad

            Do not you think that in the modern "digital world", such information maybe(and I am 100% sure that there is) the Foreign Ministry in the "online" mode?
            What citizens not required register, but they can do it at will, a problem for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it’s definitely.
            But nonetheless,Foreign Ministry could not know, in which country, how many and which citizens are at one time or another, I repeat - in online mode".
            1. den3080
              den3080 April 15 2020 08: 49 New
              +5
              Do not you think that in the modern "digital world", such information can be (and I am 100% sure that there is) the Foreign Ministry in the "online" mode?
              The fact that citizens are not required to register, but can do it at will, is a problem for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it is definitely.
              Nevertheless, the Foreign Ministry could not know in which country, how many and which citizens are at any given moment, I repeat - online.

              I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
              I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information. And it is given by special services at the request of the relevant foreign affairs agencies.
              In connection with the pandemic and the total closure of borders, this situation will change dramatically. Worldwide.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent April 15 2020 09: 01 New
                -2
                Quote: den3080
                I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
                I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information.

                Maybe you just do not know all the functions and capabilities of the "big brother"?
                "Digitalization of highways" with cameras and sensors, does it not give you the opportunity to evaluate the capabilities of information systems?

                Believe me, they know much more about you than you expect.

                I was convinced from my own experience yes Under a certain set of circumstances, the MGB of the DPR so much information about me "poured onto the table" that I was taken aback - almost to the point where
                he had chickenpox in childhood ...

                And this is just the MGB of the DPR ... Not Russia, not the FSB, not the Foreign Ministry ...
                1. den3080
                  den3080 April 15 2020 09: 33 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Quote: den3080
                  I think that "maybe", but in the "online" mode is not yet.
                  I’ll also suppose that in the “online” mode no foreign ministry in the world has such information.

                  Maybe you just do not know all the functions and capabilities of the "big brother"?
                  "Digitalization of highways" with cameras and sensors, does it not give you the opportunity to evaluate the capabilities of information systems?

                  Believe me, they know much more about you than you expect.

                  I was convinced from my own experience yes Under a certain set of circumstances, the MGB of the DPR so much information about me "poured onto the table" that I was taken aback - almost to the point where
                  he had chickenpox in childhood ...

                  And this is just the MGB of the DPR ... Not Russia, not the FSB, not the Foreign Ministry ...

                  You live in the DPR, as I understand it. You have a special regime there, martial law for many years. Your access mode can probably be compared with the DPRK or ... Cuba.
                  About the "big brother." The EU and the UK are rapidly digitalizing. At the entrance, and somewhere at the exit already, to the normal EU countries and to the UK, at airports, mainly border checkpoint control is organized, like in the metro approximately. Approach the turnstile, put your passport on the scanner, face the other scanner, then zhzhzhzh, pause and plastic doors open. Everything.
                  And a couple of local border guards on the side are bored. This applies to citizens of the EU and some other countries (USA, Canada, someone else). Citizens of other countries stand in line, they check visas, put stamps and so on.
                  In Russia, this is not yet, as far as I know. But there will be no doubt, especially given the current circumstances.
                  I think that there are several factors that interfere:
                  1. Lack of adequate funding.
                  2. The lack of domestic software and domestic technology (otherwise all the info can go to the enemy)
                  3. The subjective factor. This is the “battalion” to the “platoon” or even to the separation will have to be reduced. And posts and shoulder straps + corresponding types of allowance how?
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent April 15 2020 10: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: den3080
                    3. The subjective factor. This is the “battalion” to the “platoon” or even to the separation will have to be reduced. And posts and shoulder straps + corresponding types of allowance how?

                    But actually NO fellow

                    I will explain with a clear example. yes

                    Back in the USSR, right after the first strike of the miners, the "fashion for electing directors" went.
                    Here is one nimble fellow, in the wake of "the destruction of the bureaucracy" said that "he will replace the entire office in the mine with one girl with a computer."
                    He became a director, a computer appeared, a girl, too ... But the office did not go anywhere laughing
                    And the computer ... The computer was broken and forgotten ...

                    Therefore, do not worry about the "battalions" ...
              2. Terenin
                Terenin April 15 2020 09: 48 New
                +4
                Quote: den3080
                In connection with the pandemic and the total closure of borders, this situation will change dramatically. Worldwide.

                Yeah winkedas in Gogol ... The inspector, for many officials (not only in Russia) came really incognito belay
                A coronavirus, who has arrived by name from China, is demanding you this very hour. He stopped "everywhere"


                Silent scene
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Insurgent
              Nevertheless, the Foreign Ministry could not know in which country, how many and which citizens are at any given moment, I repeat - online.

              The Foreign Ministry could know in which country.
              But in what specific place he could not know in any way.
              Now, the Russian Foreign Ministry recalled that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.

              Do you think that after this at the border crossing someone told the truth where and why he was going?
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 April 15 2020 08: 55 New
            -2
            Quote: den3080
            The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time. The FSB has such information.

            That is, there is still information. Why is it that our Foreign Ministry informs the US State Department about Russian schoolchildren, and not the FSB?

            The entry-exit procedure has the same accounting mechanism. In fact, we see that the US State Department knows everything and sees who moved in and out, but the Russian authorities do not. At least the American side has to suggest this. And our Foreign Ministry is surprised after that!
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 40 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              Why is our Foreign Ministry informing the US State Department about Russian schoolchildren,

              Because Russian schoolchildren and their parents did not inform the Foreign Ministry
              not the FSB?

              And what about this office? belay
              In fact, we see that the US State Department knows everything and sees who drove into it, left

              The State Department does not know. Knows frontier service
              Because these kids turned to the State Department, and not to our Foreign Ministry
              No wonder why they did it?
          3. major147
            major147 April 15 2020 09: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: den3080
            The Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation are abroad at this particular moment in time.

            Since such a situation, then they did not become consular records. Very suspicious!
        2. alexmach
          alexmach April 15 2020 08: 56 New
          +4
          It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?

          Of course he does not know, but how can the Foreign Ministry know this?
          And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

          Have you ever crossed the border? Did they apply to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Did you go to the consulate or embassy in the country of arrival? what are these weird questions?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 April 15 2020 09: 11 New
            0
            Quote: alexmach
            Have you ever crossed the border?

            You seem not. Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in lines of people.

            If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?
            1. major147
              major147 April 15 2020 09: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: alexmach
              Have you ever crossed the border?

              You seem not. Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in lines of people.

              If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

              Customs has slightly different tasks than accounting for "entering / leaving."
            2. alexmach
              alexmach April 15 2020 10: 09 New
              +3
              You seem not.

              Crossed, including the Russian
              Otherwise, you would have seen our customs muzzle in the lines of people

              That's what I didn’t see, I really didn’t see it.
              I even saw the queue for passport control, even stood in it, even with a child, even on the Russian border, so that I couldn’t remember my face “No, there weren’t a couple of times when I went by bus and on a“ cash day ”it was very unpleasant.
              If customs does not keep records,

              Customs? Customs? So who do you keep records? Customs already? And the janitors at the place of registration still do not lead? I just spoke with a customs officer once in my life at a Borispol airport purely by accident.
              what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

              Guessing of course on the coffee grounds, where will you go further after crossing the border? Maybe in Kaliningrad, maybe in France and maybe studying in the USA.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 15 2020 10: 31 New
                -2
                Quote: alexmach
                That's what I didn’t see, really didn't see.

                Well look.


                There are queues in all countries, but here they are the slowest.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach April 15 2020 12: 02 New
                  +1
                  There are queues in all countries, but here they are the slowest.

                  I saw something similar at Seattle Airport. They didn’t even let us go directly to the main line, at first our flight had to stand in the corridor until the place in the passport control hall was vacated. They stood in line for half an hour at least, then they waited another hour for a colleague whom they mistakenly took for interrogation with addiction.

                  And you will see it at any large airport.

                  PS: We seem to have moved from the discussion of the mistakes of Putin, Lavrov and the Foreign Ministry to the stupidity of the administration of the Airport? A little more and to the very earthly problems in the neighboring JACKET get?
            3. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Stas157
              If customs does not keep records, what do they do with my passport by tapping the keyboard on their computer?

              Do not confuse soft with round
              Customs records border crossings.
              And where exactly did the tourist go in the country where he had left, customs, by no means, can know
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 15 2020 10: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Customs leads accounting border crossing.

                That's it.

                Quote: Lipchanin
                And where exactly did the tourist go in the country where he had left, customs, by no means, can know

                And I did not write about it.
            4. kpd
              kpd April 15 2020 10: 23 New
              +1
              The customs office checks whether you are on the wanted lists, whether you are a state secret bearer and whether you are allowed to travel abroad. Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 April 15 2020 10: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: kpd
                Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.

                Yes. And if the competent authorities request that this or that citizen cross the border, customs will always give an answer.

                As to why, suddenly, because of our children, Americans began to worry, and not our own bodies, this only applies quality our management. Which in extreme situations can only be weak-willed extras, but not make appropriate decisions.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stas157
                  As to why, suddenly, because of our children, the Americans began to worry,

                  Yes, because they muddied this provocation
                  It never occurred to you why these children turned to the State Department for help, and not to our embassy?
                  And you didn’t think that the Americans always didn’t give a damn about foreigners.
                  And then they took care of the vdug
              2. major147
                major147 April 15 2020 11: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: kpd
                The customs office checks whether you are on the wanted lists, whether you are a state secret bearer and whether you are allowed to travel abroad. Well, he marks the moment of crossing the border.

                hi I do not agree with you! Customs controls the import / export of goods, duty collection, etc. And the functions listed by you are assigned to the border guards. hi
                I had to get a large consignment of goods from abroad for quite a long time at work and arrange all this personally.
            5. Avior
              Avior April 15 2020 10: 47 New
              +1
              border guards do it
        3. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Insurgent
          And the embassies and consulates of the Russian Federation, are not up to date on the goals, terms and place of stay of such citizens?

          And do citizens notify the Foreign Ministry about this?
        4. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many citizens of the Russian Federation left the country, how many returned, for what purpose, and where they went

          Knows only those who informed the embassy about this.
          And for what purpose I left ...
          Aren't you funny yourself? Yes, you can say anything
        5. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 15 2020 09: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          It turns out that the Foreign Ministry does not know how many Russian citizens have left the country, how many have returned, for what purpose, and where did they go?

          Quote: Insurgent
          for what purpose,

          You yourself are not funny about the goal?
    3. antivirus
      antivirus April 15 2020 08: 04 New
      +1
      Latinina, Venediktov and Navalny should conduct their investigations. Work out money against the MIDRF
    4. Evil543
      Evil543 April 15 2020 08: 09 New
      14
      When a person goes on vacation, what does the Foreign Ministry notify? So here we went on vacation with the consent of the parents, but in fact, “learn democracy” and at the same time tighten our tongue. Upon arrival, they will enter the HSE and go on to the political barricades.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 15 2020 08: 15 New
        -7
        Quote: Evil543
        When a person goes on vacation, what does the Foreign Ministry notify?

        Tell me, does Russia still have informational and statistical interaction between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - the Border Service of the FSB of Russia?

        Or is the interaction of these services in a "free liberal-bourgeois society" no longer relevant and necessary?
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 April 15 2020 08: 21 New
          +6
          AND? When you cross the border you report where and for what you fly, go? I have never. Only when the visa was done in the visa center did they clarify everything. request
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 15 2020 08: 30 New
            -7
            Quote: Evil543
            AND? When you cross the border you report where and for what you fly, go?

            Yes, you do not tell laughing , and do not make of border guards fool who even without you know which visas you have open ...
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 April 15 2020 08: 41 New
              +9
              I honestly don’t understand you, dear, what can a tourist or study visa say to a border guard, and what should they pass to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that Vasya Navalny went to the states not to study or relax, but has other goals?
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Evil543
                that Vasya Navalny went to the states not to study or relax, but has other goals?

                And went not to Boston, but to Washington
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Insurgent
              Yes, you do not make laugh, and do not make from the border guards who even without you know what visas you have open ...

              Open to a country, but not to a specific place in that country
        2. den3080
          den3080 April 15 2020 08: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          Quote: Evil543
          When a person goes on vacation, what does the Foreign Ministry notify?

          Tell me, does Russia still have informational and statistical interaction between the Ministry of Foreign Affairs - the Border Service of the FSB of Russia?

          Or is the interaction of these services in a "free liberal-bourgeois society" no longer relevant and necessary?

          Exists :) I wrote above how it exists in my opinion.

          In the decaying West, it’s even cooler :) there is an almost total “visa-free” visa.
          Stamps are not placed in the passport for their citizens either at the exit or at the entrance.

          The United States puts a stamp on the passport at the entrance to the country for almost everyone except its citizens, and at the exit passport control is practically absent, leaving is a good riddance.
          Obtaining permission to enter the United States for a number of countries is notification in nature and takes 10-15 minutes on the Internet, depending on ... the speed of your Internet connection :))

          Great Britain is the same, with the exception of citizens of the USA, Canada, and the EU, who are not stamped in their passports at the entrance to the UK.
          The courtyard, of course, is not quite the right definition, but it is very similar :)
          So Russia in this sense is a police state. They put a square stamp on themselves and strangers both at the entrance and at the exit.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 15 2020 08: 52 New
            -6
            Quote: den3080
            Exists :) I wrote above how it exists in my opinion.

            A similar meaning comment on this subject, I also did ...
            Quote: den3080
            So Russia in this sense is a police state. They put a square stamp on themselves and strangers both at the entrance and at the exit.

            So, the “police state” could not but know that in the USA in an unclear status, during the epidemic, a certain number of Russian citizens “hang out”, including these “lost schoolchildren" ...
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 15 2020 09: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: Insurgent
      The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

      Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

      Interesting ... Received visas, bought tickets, crossed borders and the official authorities are completely unaware ?! Get it ... There are no words about border control and the responsibility of our officials for our citizens, especially minors!
    6. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 15 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Insurgent
      Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

      And what is characteristic
      Quote: Author
      Now the Russian Foreign Ministry remembered that Russia refused the exchange program with the United States as part of the FLEX education system back in 2014. The refusal was argued by the inability of the United States to guarantee the safe return of Russian children home.
      but nobody knew about this with us.
      Now Madame Zakharova will again “sing” and “dance,” Laurels will again express concern on Russian TV, will angrily speak in the Duma some kind of pump with a Maltese passport and part-time dollar millionaire, the drain bachrk can understand the frantic noise about reptiles and partner aggressors, well and the cherry on the cake will be the guaranteed promise of all the promises from the "man in the case." Again paramog and Rospozorstat rating will rise.
    7. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke April 15 2020 22: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Insurgent
      Of course, now that it has come out so you can’t hide it, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will deny everything and everything ...

      Yes, and let him deny.
      Moreover, even if it does not return.
    8. smphantom
      smphantom April 16 2020 13: 32 New
      0
      Parents of the kids wanted to be the most cunning ... backside.
      When the heat begins to yell:
      -Russia save !?
      Are they put there by Putin or Lavrov?
  2. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 15 2020 07: 40 New
    18
    A perfectly right-focused policy of educating the fifth column. In Europe, the same thing has been done in all sorts of colleges, and for a long time.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 April 15 2020 07: 58 New
      +2
      Well, the Russian Foreign Ministry, in spite of all the charisma of Lavrov, which many people like in VO so much, scored on Russian citizens a very long time ago - he’s doing his own business, uninitiated, incomprehensible, like ... "suitcases in Argentina", "organize a regular cup," diplomatically escort-cover up the right deal for the right person ", etc. Not for some" schoolchildren "they now have other tasks .... wink
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 15 2020 08: 04 New
        +2
        Children must be saved!

        And the attitude of the Americans in a crisis situation towards the guests is the best vaccine from the “fifth column”.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 April 15 2020 08: 25 New
          -3
          Ilya-spb (Ilya)
          Children must be saved!
          Who sent them there, let him save. Who are you trying to save? These are no longer our children, these children have already received such a vaccine against Russia that you will be very surprised if you listen to what they are taught there.
          So let their parents do the salvation of these children at their own expense.

          P.S. And for the FSB it would be necessary to take their children and parents immediately with a pencil. Two hundred percent out of a hundred that these are potential deep-lying spies. It is then that local officials will be made of them. Whose interests they will defend, the question is purely rhetorical ...
          1. Snarkxnumx
            Snarkxnumx April 15 2020 08: 45 New
            0
            "Who sent them there, let him save. Who are you eager to save?" You are crazy ..... These are children ... You need to be treated ...
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 April 15 2020 09: 17 New
              -8
              Snark1876 (Andrey)
              These are children ... you need to be treated ...
              What are you saying? Well, run, save. Why are you sitting? These are children, in the sense of “one child”.
              These children are already 16-17 years old and their parents sent there quite consciously, with well-defined goals. For example, I feel more sorry for my children when these little children whom you are eager to save come into power.
              You are crazy .....
              Are you sure that I'm crazy, maybe it's just the opposite, maybe you yourself need to turn on your head?
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 April 15 2020 09: 46 New
            +7
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Who sent them there, let him save. Who are you trying to save? These are not our children anymore, these children have already received such a vaccine against Russia

            What, ideology has already muddied the whole mind? Save the country from such commentators!
        2. Peter Panfilov
          Peter Panfilov April 15 2020 08: 41 New
          +7
          Absolutely right! It was they who hit their "own" ...
      2. xvot
        xvot April 15 2020 09: 12 New
        +7
        yes, many Russian citizens do not even have a salary for a plane ticket, so their children are at home, well, poor children are in America and not in the orphanage
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 15 2020 10: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        scored on Russian citizens a very long time ago

        Have Russian citizens not scored at the Foreign Ministry?
        Parents could not notify the Ministry of Foreign Affairs exactly where and for what purpose did their children leave?
    2. AUL
      AUL April 15 2020 08: 04 New
      12
      Quote: DMB 75
      Absolutely true-focused policy of the education of the fifth column.

      IMHO, you should first of all see who the parents of these kids are sent to the “fifth column school”. Obviously, these are not the children of turners-teachers-drivers. And a number of unpleasant questions arise for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
      And the guys are sorry, God forbid, be in their place now!
    3. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 15 2020 10: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: DMB 75
      A perfectly right-focused policy of educating the fifth column. In Europe, the same thing has been done in all sorts of colleges, and for a long time.

      Yes, the 125th motorcade, the Pechenegs and the Polovtsy are the main threat to the Russian Federation. After all, our main putriots with dual citizenship are our main support in the fight against world evil ..
  3. knn54
    knn54 April 15 2020 08: 12 New
    +7
    "And Gnat is not to blame, and Mary is not to blame. Only the hut that Gnat let out at night is to blame."
    A little off topic. At one time travel agencies and ballroom dancing schools came up with international competitions, usually in a European country. Beautiful letters, cups, etc.
    As a result, EVERYTHING was satisfied, including the parents ... up to a certain point.
  4. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 15 2020 08: 27 New
    +7
    Quote: Amateur
    And then we wonder where the Kolisurengoy comes from. The Americans are preparing the 5th column in Russia in advance.

    Still softly said "5 column". It smells of serious problems. Already once they taught such a "kodla" led by Sobchak and Kalugin, and everyone knows what happened later.
  5. Finches
    Finches April 15 2020 08: 31 New
    +8
    This long-standing US policy in training pro-American cadres - that’s what the Constitution needs to be amended, if you’ve been to an exchange school / university at least a day and listened to something there, then the path to officials, defense science and the military-industrial complex is closed for you 100% national traitor, a way to start a latent, but already spoiled product! Of course, in this situation, the kids need help - but to figure out who sent them there, what kind of program, who are the parents of these children ... And this is not paranoia! I always give a classic example - Hafizullah Amin, graduated from college at Columbia University ... as a result, the USSR lost more than 15 thousand lives because of this "comrade", the country arrives in the Middle Ages and the USA has a bridgehead of anxiety and drug trafficking in the underbelly of Russia - Amin, The most successful US Department of State geostrategic project for decades!
  6. barclay
    barclay April 15 2020 08: 58 New
    -1
    Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of his state are located, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as always, beautifully breaks off.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: barclay
      Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of their state are located,

      And how can the Foreign Ministry know "where and for what reason are the subjects of its state,"
      Where can the Foreign Ministry get this data?
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 15 2020 17: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: barclay
      Instead of being aware of where and for what reason the subjects of his state are located, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as always, beautifully breaks off.

      It is more important for them to know where the citizens are located inside the country, so that more than three do not gather and do not come close to the ancient fortress with towers and clocks.
  7. major147
    major147 April 15 2020 09: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: Amateur
    The Americans are preparing the 5th column in Russia in advance.

    And then the "Kolya boys" appear, who with tears in their eyes tell what "good" German soldiers were in the Second World War .....
  8. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
    Muddy Seeing ORACLE April 15 2020 10: 25 New
    +4
    So what is the 5th column, "they are children." Therefore, we urgently need to return home and warm on the chest of his homeland ...
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 15 2020 17: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Muddy-Seeing ORACLE
      Muddy Seeing ORACLE (Artur)

      I put a plus for your account plus! good drinks laughing
  9. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir April 16 2020 09: 28 New
    0
    Well, I don’t believe that these are children from the "middle class - 17 thousand" ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 15 2020 07: 26 New
    -3
    Only one question is who is to blame? I will not ask how it turned out that 74 citizens of Russia due to someone's stupidity, or self-interest, but turned out to be virtually illegal, since we left this program in the United States, they will appoint them in the fire mode! And why does the jamb on the jamb very often? Who and how removed them from the country, how and where are they now? Why did this actually turn out to be commonplace, why didn’t the herds of our lawyers and the ombudsmen fly to the USA to bring them back home? And, what is the guarantee that this foolish house will not happen again?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 15 2020 07: 34 New
      12
      Quote: Thrifty
      Only one question is who is to blame?

      Parents
      I will not ask how it happened that 74 citizens of Russia due to someone's stupidity, or self-interest, but it turned out to be virtually illegal, since we left this program in the United States

      And who loves a freebie?
      Who and how removed them from the country, how and where are they now?

      Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States
      They squint themselves, but how fried it smelled so immediately "Russia, help"
      Russia will help, where are we going to get to?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 15 2020 07: 48 New
        -2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States

        But as "WHO"if not like tourists? Explain ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 53 New
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          But what about “WHO,” if not like tourists? Explain ...

          Easily
          As it turns out, Russian students in the United States were not as tourists (vacationers).
        2. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 15 2020 17: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Insurgent
          But what about “WHO,” if not like tourists? Explain ..

          There are options.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 15 2020 08: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Themselves went. But not as tourists, and therefore the Foreign Ministry did not know about the presence in the United States

        And the parents knew perfectly well why they sent their children there. And they were silent until the last so that no one knew anything. And what were these children taught there, since they hid everything like that? Well, of course, not the history of the United States and its fauna and flora.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 15 2020 07: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Why do not the herds of our lawyers and ambassador to fly to the USA to return them home?

      Where to fly?
      The receiving party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and still have not even provided lists and information about their specific whereabouts.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 15 2020 08: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Where to fly?

        Yes, and why fly? You flew by yourself, at your own peril and risk, you flew so that your state does not know about you. And what can a lawyer, a lawyer, and some sort of ambassador be presented to the American side? The salvation of drowning, the work of the drowning themselves.
    3. major147
      major147 April 15 2020 09: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      then stupidity, or self-interest,

      Rather, for profit, because organizers and parents sit quietly, like mice under a broom.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 15 2020 07: 26 New
    +7
    that the USA was implementing the SSSP (Secondary School Student Program).

    With the long-term task of making them agents of influence.
    In other words, the fifth column
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 15 2020 08: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      With the long-term task of making them agents of influence.

      Rather, make illegal undercover agents.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 15 2020 12: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Rather, make illegal undercover agents.

        Well, which of them are illegal, if everywhere their education in the USA is fixed)
  • Same lech
    Same lech April 15 2020 07: 26 New
    +2
    The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

    How so belay what .
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B April 15 2020 07: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: The same Lech
      How so.

      That's how!
      As well as with the adoption of orphans.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 15 2020 08: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      How so

      As the contract was made, so it will be. Well, officially no one invited them, they drove themselves. If everything was reflected in the contract, and everything is official, then you can make a presentation. But it’s not so simple, and moose’s horns stick out there.
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B April 15 2020 07: 28 New
    +8
    Training future "opposition". Future fifth column!
    From young nails!
    That’s what the Americans are doing well in because they “play long”, that is, they have a STRATEGY that they have been following for many decades.
    Effective strategy. Repeatedly paid off.
    Therefore, these programs of unilateral "exchange" continue so persistently, even against the law.
    Even our Foreign Ministry does not know about it.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 15 2020 07: 29 New
      +1
      Russian schoolchildren continued to travel to the USA to study


      Training future "opposition"

      Undoubtedly ... only where does the FSB look then? ... this is their clearing and they should have known about such things and nipped them in the bud.
    2. major147
      major147 April 15 2020 09: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Training future "opposition". Future fifth column!

      Accumulate them there. Here they will push who needs to be "smeared" and you look even after 20-30 such a boy is already a deputy, well, the most stupid anti-Russian posts on the keyboard will be tapped.
  • andrewkor
    andrewkor April 15 2020 07: 32 New
    10
    Go to the United States for free, but who will refuse, even by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs! They will study at school, prospective students will receive grants to study at universities. Here and agents of influence are ready!
    But here's an example from life. Little daughter became one of the laureates of the French language competition held by the French Embassy in Uzbekistan. The award is a trip to the French theater festival somewhere in Gascony (Lower Perinei, it seems). All the fun at the expense of the host for five people. The state program to support the French language around the world. 1998 witnessed the triumph of the World Cup finals!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 15 2020 07: 37 New
      +1
      Go to the "freebie" in the States, but who will refuse, though by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs!

      I know one such one ... I went to the USA on a student visa and stayed there ... now she is a US citizen and pays taxes to this state ... our country, as I understand it, has lost another citizen ... these are the pies from such cooperation from the USA.
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  • Andrey Mikhaylov
    Andrey Mikhaylov April 15 2020 07: 34 New
    -2
    Each problem has a name, surname and patronymic. And also the address of a residence permit. This is not just a problem that no one knew, it is already a kalaps. Who controls such things.
  • jonht
    jonht April 15 2020 07: 35 New
    +8
    It is often not a state, but parents are at the forefront. They want to educate and send children for permanent residence over the hill. This is their right, the question of why they sending them there did not notify the authorities? On the other hand, they want to go there, let them get together and go. Will be able to get lucky. No, then here they are not needed, for everyone is to blame, except for them.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 15 2020 07: 39 New
      -2
      They want to educate and send children for permanent residence over the hill. This is their right, the question of why they sending them there did not notify the authorities?

      What a joy this is for our country ... all the benefits are received by the USA.
      Youth leak ... brain drain is an indicator that we are not doing well with youth.
      1. jonht
        jonht April 15 2020 07: 45 New
        +6
        Believe me, young people are very different. I worked for 10 years in further education, and enthusiastic children come there and often those who are brought by their parents remain engaged, but the role of the teacher is colossal !!! If he knows how to captivate children (this is not a school, he is not obliged to go), then they go to such people with joy and study with pleasure. hi
        1. Same lech
          Same lech April 15 2020 07: 47 New
          +1
          Of course it’s different ... I myself watch hundreds of children every day and see our future in them ... you can’t give them to a foreign state ... you can’t give them to the USA under any pretext.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 April 15 2020 08: 39 New
            -2
            you can’t give them to a foreign state ... you can’t give them to the United States under any pretext.

            You tell this to our state, which has set 17000 rubles as a pass to the "middle class" .. Children, those who are smarter, themselves strive to get education that is in demand on the world labor market and they decide for themselves where they will use this education and acquired skills.
          2. Tavrik
            Tavrik April 15 2020 09: 41 New
            0
            Of course it is impossible, neither in the USA, nor in Europe! And then they will see how other countries live and think, and this is fraught with the formation of a negative attitude towards Russian reality: "who is to blame and what to do?" Everyone stay at home! In 1813-14 they went on foreign trips - then they received the Decembrists. “So the revs went on your foreign tours” (C).
            There is another option - to make our reality attractive to young people. And smart, well-read, competent boys and girls look at how their good, smart, honest and decent parents live for 17-20 thousand and think about their future ... The fish is looking for where it is deeper, and the man - where is better. No one has canceled this rule.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana April 15 2020 07: 43 New
    -1
    Do Russian special services see nothing at all? Really strange.
  • Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 15 2020 07: 46 New
    +9
    And what can they mainly teach in the USA? Answer ---- What is the best way to spoil Russia !!!! You can blame me to death, but in most cases this is the case! When was it profitable for the Americans to prepare smart, knowledgeable, reliable personnel for Russia? The answer is never.
    Everything depended mainly on the children themselves, how much they were processed by the American special services. What, what, and these things mattresses do great .... Parents sending their children there what they thought? Did they not know that? I am sure they knew! And apparently approved of it .... Many are probably upset that their children will now be returned ....
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 15 2020 07: 56 New
      11
      Not. They are not taught how to "shit". They instill a love of America and are taught methods and methods of coups d'etat. Out of hundreds of tests, one is selected who is able to lead the crowd along with whom they will bet and return to Russia. This is not a “shit” it is more serious. This is a way to conquer a country without an army.
  • 1536
    1536 April 15 2020 07: 47 New
    +5
    "What is it! Go-go to school, and then - bam! - the second shift."
    (Lyapishev. From the movie "Big Break")
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich April 15 2020 07: 52 New
    +8
    Do these "schoolchildren" have parents? Perhaps they gave the organizers of the "exchange" the power of attorney for export! Indeed, according to the Law, it is they who bear the full responsibility for their children! Where the ombudsmen-loafers of all levels and other bodies of guardianship and guardianship, which have bred like locusts, look. And on what basis does this SSSP (Secondary School Student Program) work unilaterally in Russia? Where are all the many overseers on the state budget?
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 15 2020 07: 54 New
    0
    It’s like: “You climbed into our pocket for 6 years and didn’t tell us anything. It’s not a shame, at least warned. Now we’re making a remark to you!”
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 April 15 2020 07: 55 New
    +1
    A WAR has long been going against us (declared ... not declared ...). And in LOGO I send children to study. And now the moaning has gone. I am surprised ... such things would previously be kept in the strictest confidence. We are already completely began to hold for idiots ??? How many failures have already happened ... and no one to blame. Sadly
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich April 15 2020 07: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Insurgent
    With the complete indifference of the Russian side ...

    decipher your deep thought of indifferent indulgence!
  • maykl8
    maykl8 April 15 2020 07: 57 New
    0
    And on the other hand, colleagues, how else to introduce agents to undermine damned capitalism and the expropriation of technology? laughing IMHO. The competent authorities see and know everything. The work is on. And the Russian Foreign Ministry is working out its part of the legend.
  • Fast_mutant
    Fast_mutant April 15 2020 08: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: den3080
    parents wanted, the child wanted

    I would like to know whose children it is? "Simple mortals", apparently, there are not many
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana April 15 2020 08: 09 New
      +3
      Officials at the level of regions and large cities, I think. The smaller ones will not have the arrogance and money, because children need food. And the larger federal officials are covered by special services. Their children study at Moscow State University.
    2. Curbstone xnumx
      Curbstone xnumx April 15 2020 12: 27 New
      +1
      Children of mere mortals, not there
  • vlad kave
    vlad kave April 15 2020 08: 04 New
    +2
    Yes, I think we mean a lot of things that we don’t know yet. The virus will reveal a lot more.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 15 2020 08: 06 New
    +2
    So I believed in the strangeness of the event. Just try to get a visa to the United States, you are my strange ............
  • sabakina
    sabakina April 15 2020 08: 06 New
    +1
    I am sure that these are children of not simple hard workers, and certainly not oligarchs. Most likely these are the children of regional officials. So that....
    1. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk April 15 2020 08: 36 New
      0
      This means that for the most part, Russian officials would gladly move to live in the United States, further away from Russia. They themselves didn’t succeed, so at least the kids should live great ...
  • Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 April 15 2020 08: 15 New
    10
    That's what you break your spears like in a bazaar during hipesha. Read on their resources, if not laziness of course. This is a one-way program for high school students. It takes part in it on the basis of the application you are selling. I emphasize this is your personal decision to participate in it. And you take all the risks precisely because it is one-sided. Russian authorities, official organizations are not legally liable for not being seduced by the opportunity to send another baby to the United States by weighing the risks. This is the shining light of democracy, wealth and generally hail on the hill !!! If you get a little jerk somewhere in Somalia on business, the state has to do with? Here the situation is similar. And there are many such unilateral programs.
    Regarding again, where the state was looking. And we have freedom. Tomorrow, think of the state to begin total control as in the Soviet Union, you are the first platoon that we have totalitarianism !!!
    In general, I believe that all people are adults and should have a head on their shoulders and a bit of personal responsibility for their actions. Do you want to stick your head in .... Do not complain later that it stuck and stained.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 15 2020 08: 19 New
      -3
      In general, I believe that all people are adults
      Well, the children are still not adults ... not all of them understand what is happening to them.
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ April 15 2020 09: 29 New
        0
        They rode with the consent of their parents. What did parents think only about a freebie?
      2. fif21
        fif21 April 15 2020 09: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: The same Lech
        Well, the children are still not adults ... not all of them understand what is happening to them.

        Parents must understand! Guaydenyshey (Guaydo) educate. Here are the parents and send to the mattresses, to their children, and deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation. hi
  • jovanni
    jovanni April 15 2020 08: 16 New
    -3
    Well Foreign Ministry! N-n-n-a ... yes ... razzzzyavy!
  • Adam Khomich
    Adam Khomich April 15 2020 08: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: Evil543
    Foreign Ministry informs?

    You will not believe it, but you must register at the consulate at the place of rest if you left yourself. If he is driven by a travel agency, then it takes on this responsibility!
  • aglet
    aglet April 15 2020 08: 21 New
    -1
    Quote: Svetlana
    And the larger federal officials are covered by special services. Their children study at Moscow State University.

    such as Peskov’s daughter
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 15 2020 08: 21 New
    +4
    Absolutely wild situation ... Would you investigate under what “sauce” schoolchildren were transporting? IMHO, on "guest" visas. And the State Department could not know about it ... The technology of "exhausting" the brain from other countries in action. Who made the selection? In Russia? Calculate, and ... ask ... With an addiction!
    And if this is a personal initiative of the parents - then the bill for the evacuation of the parents! Plus a "bonus" for the concern of the Foreign Ministry!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 15 2020 08: 47 New
      +3
      Tail nagging EVERYONE who is involved in this.
      On the ears or in another way, the investigation will figure it out!
      Parents first of all !!!
  • Esaul
    Esaul April 15 2020 08: 31 New
    0
    Most probably children of officials
  • bar
    bar April 15 2020 08: 32 New
    -1
    even for the Foreign Ministry, the situation with Russian schoolchildren in the USA was a complete surprise

    It is strange that the intelligence services did not inform. Or were they also unaware of the mass training of agents of influence? Then the trouble ...
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 April 15 2020 08: 41 New
      0
      Quote: bar
      It is strange that the intelligence services did not inform. Or were they also unaware of the mass training of agents of influence? Then the trouble ...

      The trouble ... Urgently check the personal scout assigned to your child or not, if not, call the hotline, the country is in danger.
      PS: intelligence has nothing more to do than shepherd all students abroad.
      1. bar
        bar April 15 2020 09: 07 New
        -1
        PS: intelligence has nothing more to do than shepherd all students abroad.

        I repeat - then trouble.
      2. bar
        bar April 16 2020 07: 21 New
        -1
        And now it suddenly turned out that the “exchange programs” were not actually curtailed, and the US embassy in Russia and the State Department illegally continued the selection and removal of Russian students for the “exchange program”. They were taken to the United States on private visas, that is, hiding the real purpose of the trip. In intelligence, this is called "legend."

        https://vz.ru/politics/2020/4/15/1034551.html
        And you laughed ...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 15 2020 08: 44 New
    0
    Yeah. Did not know. And the parents did not know, and the Embassy, ​​and customs ....

    As at one time they did not know what Peskov seemed to have, his daughter worked as an assistant to the European MP, in the midst of sanctions and a break in relations ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 15 2020 08: 45 New
    +3
    0 If there wasn’t a pandemic, no one would have remembered these guys. For some time, there suddenly appeared faith in a good uncle who is a sponsor. 90 years we weren’t taught when many young people, promising a good job, were simply deceived. When the state leaves from the problems associated with traveling abroad, a different infection appears. In the end, let them go. But what they import from there must be in control.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 15 2020 08: 45 New
    +3
    Question - AND PARENTS WHAT THOUGHT THAN?
    This is very similar to the desire / training of those who "time to bring down"!
    The consulate knows only about those citizens who are registered with the consulate! So what claims to the Foreign Ministry.
    Even the authorities do not have to make any special claims until it is clear what structures / organizations arranged this "school landing" in the camp of the ENEMY!
    Even in the mines of education, someone could / could not know. In short, a muddy story, the ends of which must be sought and chopped so that Schaub was not discouraged by others !!!
    In short, seek, understand and punish everyone who is to blame for nonsense or criminal acts!
    Children need to be returned, this is understandable, even if they are from those who intend to bring down. Let them then knock themselves down, officially, of their own conscious choice.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 15 2020 08: 46 New
    0
    It can be seen that the country's leadership was gathering GDP from masochists, we are being hit by slaps from all sides, and ours, apart from concerns, do not express anything. And then, when it is already completely impossible not to react. And this is very bad, you must always respond appropriately, otherwise even striped mongrel begin to bark too loudly. And it would be necessary to gird one, the other with a whip along the ridge, you should look at the agility and reduce it. Do not try to be holier than the Pope.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 15 2020 08: 53 New
    -2
    Now, probably all hope for the SVR, maybe the GRU, I don’t know, can they help at least find the kids among those who were shown the door and they had to solve their problems on their own.
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  • sleeve
    sleeve April 15 2020 08: 57 New
    +1
    Is this a joke from Zakharova’s side? Students on tourist visas for several months went? Perhaps without relatives? And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs did not ask themselves what do teenagers do there during the school year? Why are you fooling around?
  • Professor
    Professor April 15 2020 09: 00 New
    0
    Now it (of this program, approx. “VO”), the implementation in the fire order is being minimized due to a pandemic. The host party does not bear any responsibility for the children, and so far have not even provided lists and information about their specific location.

    To lie like that. A 16-year-old schoolgirl appeared on a flight to Moscow with tickets in her hands, but she was not allowed on the flight as it was intended only "for Muscovites and residents of the Moscow region," and the girl was from Novosibirsk. Zakharova left her to herself as the educational program has already ended. Zakharova just now remembered about her? Or after Trump threatened with sanctions those countries that obstruct the evacuation of their citizens from the United States?

    The Russian Foreign Ministry emphasizes that the programs were implemented by the American side without informing the Russian authorities about this.

    Like this? Minor Russians were in the United States alone, and the Russian Foreign Ministry could not take a single foot? Or maybe these children were forcibly kept there or God forbid they adopted him in violation of the law of scoundrels?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 15 2020 09: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Professor
      Like this? Minor Russians were in the United States alone, and the Russian Foreign Ministry could not take a single foot? Or maybe these children were forcibly kept there or God forbid they adopted him in violation of the law of scoundrels?

      A rare case when I support you Professor.
  • vitalm
    vitalm April 15 2020 09: 04 New
    +2
    The fifth column is quietly being prepared
  • Operator
    Operator April 15 2020 09: 08 New
    +1
    And why, damn it, to return underage initiators to their homeland at state expense?

    Let them go homeless - they get used to the local situation in the United States until their parents or the State Department pay them back the tickets.
  • Ingenegr
    Ingenegr April 15 2020 09: 09 New
    0
    The situation, in general, is quite understandable. Do not confuse interstate exchange programs with private ones. The Foreign Ministry is in control of all officially carried out movements. And in this situation we are talking about the "left" program.
  • Ham
    Ham April 15 2020 09: 31 New
    +2
    it’s necessary to find out who on our part participated in all this ... who covered all this movement
  • yfast
    yfast April 15 2020 09: 41 New
    +2
    How to get into a difficult situation, so immediately the students. And how they got there, so, apparently, they got lost in the Russian forests and went along the path directly to Washington. There would be no virus, no one would know about this magical path. We will consider them American children.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 15 2020 09: 44 New
    +4
    And what, in the Russian Federation it became bad with universities, or are these Russophobia kids who went Russophobia from the owners of the Rains to study ?! Well, let them stay there, among them are citizens of the Russian Federation, like a Chinese from me ..
  • svp67
    svp67 April 15 2020 09: 46 New
    +2
    First of all, she raises the question of the level of control,
    Already ridiculous ... Does this story only pose such a question? If so, then it’s already good ... Well, now this problem has been discovered with the children, but what's next? The Foreign Ministry will make "heroic" efforts to save ... based on the results, someone will be awarded for it, but who will be punished? Who, on our part, has promoted all this? Which of the officials was tied? Will these people answer? Like those in power during the pandemic, in spite of the ban, "quietly" flew "to rest" in Spain, Italy, the USA and the like, bringing "infection" from there?
  • comradChe
    comradChe April 15 2020 09: 47 New
    0
    Charming, charming .... bother her into a swing!
  • sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 15 2020 10: 16 New
    0
    Imagine if the United States was preparing its agents from Russian children, and now in Russia no one, not a dream, what will happen next when these agents take office and begin to act.?
  • aries2200
    aries2200 April 15 2020 10: 23 New
    +1
    Did the FSB know?
  • Hto tama
    Hto tama April 15 2020 10: 24 New
    +3
    I read the comments, most of them should our Foreign Ministry know or should not know about its citizens abroad. I don’t know, as the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, I have another question: does the FSB know about these "educational" programs what What are these children being taught? Won't we get any terrorist cells after such training? request Not for anyone, I think it’s not a secret who is the main sponsor of terrorism in the world yes
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 15 2020 11: 46 New
      +2
      And how can the FSB hinder the departure of schoolchildren from the CONSENT of PARENTS, organized, under the supervision of an adult escort and PAID BY PARENTS, for example ???
      Do we have an iron curtain and there are legitimate reasons for not allowing this to happen?
      If the responsible authorities are not in the know, they didn’t take such a landing on a pencil in the ENEMY camp, they need to write down plumes for this.
      So you need to understand and take reasonable measures.
      Who knows how and why this departure took shape. There are different figures, FIG knows how to arrange everything .... can we be “tourists”, can we see the world?
      Questions should be to the PARENTS!
      And then all claims to the authorities, and the "kids" and their parents are very innocent!
      This makes no sense.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 15 2020 13: 30 New
        +1
        Greetings, Victor!
        ... And how can the FSB interfere? ......
        Of course! No way, Victor! I think that even parents accepted all kinds of conspiratorial bully bully bully measures by sending children to an officially canceled program. And so much time, almost 6 years, this conspiracy acted? request
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 15 2020 14: 30 New
          +2
          Hi Dmitry soldier
          So that no one knows anything at all, it doesn’t. But it happens that the signal from the lower level is ignored at a higher level !!! Here it is also necessary to UNDERSTAND! Chop the tails to the ears.
          But EVERYONE should hold the answer now.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 15 2020 16: 11 New
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            Hi Dmitry soldier ..... it happens that the signal from the lower level is ignored at a higher level !!! ..... But everyone should answer, now.
            ALL ---- probably pretending to be valenki and deceived, but it wouldn’t hurt to expose parents to it ..... let the juvenile police go to them every day, but what kind of penalty would be for violating the quarantine and leaving children in danger ... am negative
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 15 2020 16: 43 New
              +2
              And yet, the process of traveling abroad of teenagers outside the family is the execution of a bunch of documents!
              There are signatures, seals, permits and other bureaucracy for which specific employees can be asked! I hope they do it, finally.
      2. Hto tama
        Hto tama April 15 2020 15: 34 New
        +2
        I didn’t mention in my comment that the FSB should somehow impede the departure, I asked if this service had any idea what and how these children were taught what .And at the expense of the parents, well, let them be the responsibility of the guardianship and private institutions, although if it turns out who these funds and "philanthropists" are preparing from these children, then the verification of other bodies would not hurt either. Excuse me, but the hedgehog knows that they are there they definitely teach you not to love your homeland. And yes, I agree with the comment below, let the parents take care of the export of their children themselves. yes
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 15 2020 16: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: hto tama
          Forgive me, but the hedgehog understands that they are definitely taught there not to love their homeland.

          Most likely it is, most likely the parents did it consciously, BUT, we need to "develop" this case, i.e. either grounds, or an indication from above.
          Those. Now there are reasons, but will there be instructions from above ??? we will see.
  • bogart047
    bogart047 April 15 2020 10: 40 New
    +3
    why are these children needed? Let them stay there, more harm from them. Once at your own peril and risk flew there, let them return in the same way.
  • BAI
    BAI April 15 2020 10: 55 New
    +2
    I would dismiss all those involved in this matter from the Russian Federation. Including those who were "not in the know."
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 15 2020 11: 48 New
      +3
      It’s necessary to break all the goodies, first of all to parents! With officials who are in the know and not in the know, ask, with a record on the ears.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 15 2020 13: 33 New
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        It’s necessary to break all the goodies, first of all to parents! With officials who are in the know and not in the know, ask, with a record on the ears.

        I think that now many are spared the illusions of American democracy. and about the place of Russians in it.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 15 2020 14: 32 New
          +2
          So there, even as if they divided theirs into grades!
          It always has been, it just crawled out clearly.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 15 2020 16: 21 New
            +1
            Ever since pre-perestroika times, our leaders, with low social responsibility, imagined that they would be equal with the Western bourgeoisie if they agreed. Time and events since then have shown that no! Not an equal. Not all of this came to everyone. They decided that their children would be equal to staff members. Events show that no, not equal, so consumables .. negative negative in the actions of the states against historical Russia.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 15 2020 16: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Not a match.

              but who and where betrayed their people respected? handouts thrown, for a look, and so, only on a side chair and then for the time being.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 15 2020 11: 15 New
    +5
    Is it possible to announce the list of these "schoolchildren"? And who are their parents?
    But these “schoolchildren” are the finished “fifth column”.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 15 2020 11: 49 New
      +4
      The correct assessment of the situation! And then everyone is to blame, but their parents are not very innocent ???
      It is high time to decide that EVERYONE should bear his own measure of responsibility!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 15 2020 13: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        ...... all are to blame, but the parents are not very innocent at all ??? ......!
        I’m shy to say, but I have suspicions that my parents, maybe bribes, bonuses, which were distributed to those who organized such "" exchanges "" ....
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 15 2020 14: 33 New
          +2
          This assumption deserves to be! But .... wait, that the trial will show. It will be more true.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 15 2020 16: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            This assumption deserves to be! But .... wait, that the trial will show. It will be more true.
            lol laughing So it was written, what about the exchange, and what changed for what? Something about American children is not mentioned, what would they be here
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 15 2020 17: 00 New
              +1
              Not clear! We will not rush to conclusions.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 15 2020 17: 15 New
                0
                Victor, remember how in Murphy's Laws? ((or in the consequences of their laws)) - if it is not clear what it is about ---- it means, bully about money
                Quote: rocket757
                Not clear! We will not rush to conclusions.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 April 15 2020 17: 24 New
                  +1
                  Everything ultimately comes down to grandmas!
                  But this does not detract from all intermediate Wishlist.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt April 15 2020 11: 37 New
    +7
    educational programs on Russian children can be “worked out” unilaterally
    What's so surprising? There are hundreds of similar programs in the West, with almost every large Russophobic fund, so to speak privately, but under the guise of the State Department. Studying in the West is a deliberate choice of children and their parents (it’s so fashionable. Anywhere, just not in a “rotten rash”), let them now get it out themselves. Or now remember about the state?