“If only the hatches were open”: Poland intends to arm itself with tens of thousands of RPG-75

“T-90M near Moscow”: with this title came the Polish edition of Defense24. As it indicates, armored vehicles of this type began to enter service with the 1st tank Army ZVO. In total, the transfer of the army 400 T-90M by 2027 is expected.

The new hope of the Polish defense industry

These will be one of the most modern main battle tanks of the army there.

- notes Defense24.

At the same time, it is indicated in parallel that it is planned to significantly increase the anti-tank potential of the Polish armed forces. Its basis should be the 68-mm RPG-75 grenade launcher. They were developed in Czechoslovakia and have been used by the local army since 1975.

But [this grenade launcher] is constantly evolving to meet the modern requirements of the battlefield

- writes Defense24.

According to him, Warsaw plans to buy the RPG-75 production technology and release tens of thousands of weapons of destruction for enemy armored vehicles - various numbers, 10, 50 and even 150 thousand units are called weapons. Now all rights to the grenade launcher belong to the Czech side, but it is ready to meet Polish wishes.

The main thing is open hatches

The grenade launcher is currently available in three major versions. The first modification, the RPG-75M, of cumulative effect, is capable of penetrating armor with a thickness of more than 300 mm and is intended to destroy equipment: not only BMPs and armored personnel carriers, but also tanks - taking into account “in areas with poor protection”.

The second option, RTG (RPG-75 TB) thermobaric action. As Defense24 points out, he is able to “disable armored vehicles (including heavy tanks) [...] Elements of the optical systems of tanks, communication antennas or equipment responsible for remotely controlled weapons are being destroyed.”

The third modification, RPG-75 MP, has a cumulative-thermobaric warhead capable of penetrating at least 150 mm of armor. This version “can be especially effective against equipment in which hatches are open at the moment of contact,” the Polish publication points out.

Our opponents [in Iraq and Afghanistan] clearly avoided fighting with soldiers armed with [RPG-75] grenade launchers with such [thermobaric] shells. The weapon is lightweight, reliable and easy to use.

- One of the Polish military personnel who has visited “hot spots” considers.

As a result, it remains to “wish” the Polish military a clash with the enemy, who was seated in tanks with open hatches. When the RPG-75, the new hope of the local defense industry, is pointed at it, the crews of the armored vehicles themselves will scatter from the battlefield, abandoning the armored vehicles.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

If only the hatches were open ”: Poland intends to arm itself with tens of thousands of RPG-75

For God's sake. That's just dealing with Russia, options are possible. You're with a grenade launcher, and she's with an airplane. Or he won’t come at all, as to a neighbor.

[seregatara1969]

Russia did not come to war but there are already killed Poles

[Hammer]

In the video presented, the airsoft homemade from a tube from RPG-75.
No video found?

[Grandfather]

Psheks are rude at first, then scared, then they are looking for what to shoot themselves from.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dead Day

then get scared

Interestingly, do their shorts have time to dry out on a rope near the house?

[Navat]

I would not make fun of the pshek. They have 3600 Spikes, which are guaranteed to destroy any of our tanks. See for example what Spikes did with Armenian 72s

[Piramidon]

Quote: Navat

They have 3600 Spikes, which are guaranteed to destroy any of our tanks.

But you forgot that for this it is necessary that our tanks come to Poland. Do we need it? Well, or for the Poles to invade Russia. And for that they have a thin gut.

[Navat]

Everything is possible in our life. If you were told 10 years ago that we would free Crimea and New Russia, you would hardly have believed .... But Poland is historically a part of the Russian Empire, the Slavic people and I personally are not going to abandon it. After all, historically we are collectors of Slavic lands

[Piramidon]

Quote: Navat

And Poland is historically part of the Russian Empire, the Slavic people and I personally I’m not going to refuse it.

Planning to conquer? And why, for example, do I have this hemorrhoids with malicious, Russophobic "noble masters" in my country? And when Poland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, the Emperors also had only a constant headache from it.

After all, historically we are collectors of Slavic lands

Well, yes, gather all the "Slavic brothers" who dream of seeing Russia in ruins.

[Navat]

[quote = Piramidon] [quote = Navat]
Planning to conquer? And why, for example, do I have this hemorrhoids with malicious, Russophobic "noble masters" in my country? And when Poland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, the Emperors also had only a constant headache from it.
[Quote] [/ quote]


Chechnya doesn’t particularly like us either, but this is not a reason to refuse it. The conquered peoples do not need to love the empire, they need to be afraid of it. All of the above is true regarding the Poles.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Navat

Chechnya doesn’t particularly like us either, but this is not a reason to refuse it.

The example is not correct. Chechnya has long been a part of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and Russia, and Poland has been a separate sovereign country for more than 100 years, and you are about to conquer it. Sharpen a knife in Finland too? After all, she once was part of the Republic of Ingushetia.

[Navat]

Comrade Stalin from Poland bit off a piece and digested it safely

[Albert1988]

Quote: Navat

Comrade Stalin from Poland bit off a piece and digested it safely

Oga, "a piece of Poland" is the territory of Belarus and Ukraine, where the Belarusian and Ukrainian population lived?

[fider]

Navat "In Chechnya, they don't like us too much, but that's not a reason to refuse it." It is an illusion that Russia owns Chechnya, just the opposite; it was Chechnya that had Russia.

[Albert1988]

Quote: fider

. Quite the contrary. This Chechnya raped Russia.

Oha, yes ... Of course ... Are you even aware that after this "capture" by Chechnya Russia the indigenous population of this very Chechnya has almost halved?

[mister-red]

Russians live in Crimea. Without them, this territory would be impossible to return. Compare with the DPR / LPR - they were left there because there was no general consensus on where to go and what to do. The territory inhabited by unfriendly people does not need anyone.
And you do not need to collect Slavic lands, they are the first to stab into the back. Crimea returned and that's enough. The maximum is still the Ukrainian border regions, if most there ever want to. But it’s better not to want

[Prisoner]

You are strange. He drove the Uzbek, Azerbaijani rollers, drown for the Russian Empire, threatening Israeli anti-tank systems, armed with the Poles, our tanks. You’re also going to fight Poland.

[Navat]

Ayrat, and what does my drive in Uzbek mean? And the only word in Uzbek that I know is “yachshi”

[Prisoner]

Uzbeks call it sugar. Choose a call sign, so take the trouble to find out, otherwise you can get into an awkward situation.

[bobba94]

I remembered an old joke about a revolutionary sailor and a search in the jeweler’s apartment: last name? - Sugars! - more precisely - Sakharovsky - more precisely - Sakharovich - and what if to the wall? - Zuckerman!

[Navat]

Ayrat, when you choose a drive, it is impossible to know what it means in all languages ​​of the world. Maybe a captive in the Evenki language has a bad meaning? So presenting yours is not the case ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Navat

Everything is possible in our life.

Respected! If, God forbid, this happens, then before the first Russian tank crosses the Polish border, all these spikes, like the rest of the Polish army, will be plowed first with Iskander, X-101, calibers, and then artillery ...

[evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru]

So far, we do not have our own state for Russians （and other Indigenous peoples of Russia）. ,, Capitalist Russia ,, （,, RK ,,） is a dependent, very weak and meaningless quasi-state. It does not pay the majority of Russians SALARY, but pays ALLOWANCES. For 30 years, he didn’t have the mind to do the basic thing - to divide the sectors of the economy, to share medicine and education ... He doesn’t need paid services in the STATE medical institution, there can be no advertising on the STATE TV channel ... PEOPLE do not!
The Republic of Kazakhstan has a frankly weak Army and Navy. Five （!） Years of war in Syria. Where is the result? Or ,, traders ,, important only ,, participation ,,? But after all, not only the Syrians who need help are dying, SPECIFIC citizens of Russia are dying. Is it good, is it worthy of a serious state?
Which ,, New Russia, ”you, Navat, have released? A smaller part of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions is controlled by the impoverished LDNR. Sixth （!） Year, soldiers and civilians die there. Sluggish, stupid positional war. The monetary support of a soldier at PEREDOVAYA is lower than the salary of the Moscow metro technicals. Who needs it? When will it end?
At the end of the thirties of the last century, the state of the USSR, the USSR, had something to say, and in a matter of days it decided the question of the annexation of Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. Clearly and clearly solved the problem. Well, if you can’t, don’t know how, don’t know and don’t want to know, WHERE ARE YOU CLIMBING? Why are you artificially creating PEOPLE all this, I'm sorry, hemorrhoids?
What can RK tell Poland? Think, dear Navat, about the standard of living in the Polish Republic. ... when the dollar was worth only 4 （! ） Hryvnias, even then Ukrainian, zarobitchans, successfully, willingly and FAVORABLE went to work in PR.
Where are you going to join whom? Join the Force! RK is not power, but ... ,, misunderstanding ,,

[Petrik66]

We do not need to be a collector of land. I am pleased to observe how the Poles will get back their Lions and at the same time several million horses. Then you just need to stock up on good beer and fish, relax and have fun.

[mister-red]

Hk, as if they still need to be managed to be applied somehow. Most of these missiles are on armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, which are very vulnerable. And yes, is Russia going to attack them? And tank wedges go forehead?

[Albert1988]

Quote: mister-red

Hk, as if they still need to be managed to be applied somehow. Most of these missiles are on armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, which are very vulnerable.

If we take into account that Russia will launch its first attacks with serious missiles (iskander, calibers, etc.), and then artillery will work first, then a very big question arises - will these missiles remain intact by then?

[businessv]

Quote: Navat

They have 3600 Spikes, which are guaranteed to destroy any of our tanks.

And why haven’t they done so yet ?! The Poles always behaved like jackals - if weak, attack, if strong - run away, if far away - bark. The number of weapons never says that they will be used correctly and in a timely manner!

[Slavenin82]

They don’t even dry them anymore ... they cut out and walk around ...

[Mytholog]

Given that the T-90 in Syria withstood even TOW hits, the Poles will let the money go. However, they are not used to ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mytholog

Given that the T-90s in Syria withstood even TOW hits,

That nooo. We will open all hatches, and so we will go to fight

[Vladimir_2U]

And in reverse, otherwise the Poles will say that it’s so dishonest!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mytholog

Given that the T-90 in Syria withstood even TOW hits

And even with open hatches.

[Gogia]

Quote: Mytholog

Given that the T-90 in Syria withstood even TOW hits, the Poles will let the money go. However, they are not used to ...

You can immediately see the specialist on anti-tank weapons ...
TOW is a system of the 80s. SPIKE is the 2000s. He stupidly beats from above and having a large hitch he breaks through all the fuck even with active armor. The only option KAZ with the ability to control the blind funnel up. then yes spike fails. But where are these systems? They are only being developed for Merkav, and the T-90s do not have a KAZ at all (although with their presence, the probability of defeat is 2-3 times less)

[Albert1988]

Quote: Gogia

The only option KAZ with the ability to control the blind funnel up. then yes spike fails.

For this, there is already a fully developed "umbrella" system, which is installed on the T-14 and other machines on the "armature", it should not be difficult to integrate it into the T-90M board, plus there are the latest versions of the "arena" that work in the upper hemisphere.

[Gogia]

The cost of the KAZ kit is approximately equal to the cost of overhauling the T-72. Therefore, our generals will save on KAZ. And they will start to set as always, when God forbid, the takni will begin to burn. But these are high-tech systems and they are not fast to make.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Gogia

The cost of the KAZ kit is approximately equal to the cost of overhauling the T-72. Therefore, our generals will save on KAZ. And they will start to set as always, when God forbid, the takni will begin to burn. But these are high-tech systems and they are not fast to make.

First of all. we DO NOT know whether KAZ are being manufactured now or not, and how quickly they can be manufactured, this is one, two - it makes no sense to keep KAZ on cars when they only ride on exercises, and finally, it will be possible to say for sure only if our tanks will find themselves in the zone of mass use of these very roof-breakers, but we would not like that. Note that in Syria, only old models of ATGM are used in our zone of responsibility.

[Gogia]

Quote: Albert1988

For this there is already a fully developed umbrella system,

I have not heard and have not read anywhere that Afghanistan does not have a blind zone from above. Judging by the location of the AFAR antennas - they look to the sides around the perimeter.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Gogia

I have not heard and have not read anywhere that Afghanistan does not have a blind zone from above.

Do not confuse an Afghani with an umbrella - an Afghani is a vigorous KAZ, sharpened to intercept BOPS, and an umbrella is, as it is now fashionable to say "Soft Kill", a system that disguises the tank by spraying an IR-impermeable suspension just in the upper hemisphere - at the armature. these smoke pipes stick up and stick out - take a closer look at the T-14 tower from above - you will immediately see)))

[Mytholog]

Quote: Gogia

You can immediately see the specialist on anti-tank weapons ...
TOW is a system of the 80s. SPIKE is the 2000s. He stupidly beats from above and having a large hitch he breaks through all the fuck even with active armor. The only option KAZ with the ability to control the blind funnel up. then yes spike fails. But where are these systems? They are only being developed for Merkav, and the T-90s do not have a KAZ at all (although with their presence, the probability of defeat is 2-3 times less)

Have you read the article? It is about RPG-75 of Czech production.
Before showing off and trying to fool someone, look in the mirror.

[Gogia]

Quote: Mytholog

Have you read the article? It is about Czech-made RPG-75

I read - a very interesting device - very small and light. But they won’t work on tanks.
I agree about spike carried away. but the thought is true. KAZ must be on all tanks. And in modern conditions, it is KAZ in the upper hemisphere - against ammunition from UAVs, aircraft, spikes and ammunition barrage. A hitch for TOW and BOPS. The tank should become a high-tech fortress capable of delivering a serious blow. (By the way, why not use 125 mm thermobaric shells) Do we have this?

[businessv]

Quote: Gogia

SPIKE is the 2000s. He stupidly beats from above and having a large hitch he breaks through all the fuck even with active armor.

What does Spike have if the article is about the 75th RPG?

[Ilya-spb]

Oh, that Polish ambition!

They say that once the Polish cavalry rushed at tanks with sabers ... It was a long time ago ...

[svp67]

Quote: Ilya-spb

They say that ... It was a long time ago ...

“In the battle of Alma, under the command of Menshikov, there was Lieutenant General Vasily Kiryakov, who commanded the 17th Infantry Division.
Having received an order from Menshikov on disposition, accompanied by a demand to meet the attacking enemy on the ascent with frontal fire, he replied: “Do not worry, Your Excellency. We'll shower the enemy with our caps. "

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, give the couch generals a soul in the morning!)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, give the couch generals a soul in the morning!)

[cost]

The new hope of the Polish defense industry

Grenade launcher RPG-75
The RPG-75 manual anti-tank grenade launcher was designed in the 1970s in Czechoslovakia.
The 68-mm RPG-75 rocket-propelled anti-tank grenade launcher is a disposable hand-held anti-tank weapon designed to destroy tanks, armored vehicles, fortified enemy targets and used in mechanized units as an additional support weapon.
The launcher RPG-75 grenade launcher consists of two telescopically extendable parts: pipes and a combustion chamber with a nozzle. The pipe is a duralumin shaped product with two reinforcing ribs.

TTH:
Grenade launcher caliber, mm 68
Mass of grenade launcher, kg 3.2
Starter weight, kg 2.2
Grenade launcher length, mm
(in traveling position / in combat position) 630 / 890
Maximum firing range, m 300
Armor penetration, mm 300
The duration of the self-liquidator, s 3-6

[Vadim237]

This grenade launcher with armor penetration of 300 millimeters against modern tanks is useless

[hohol95]

So is it a Grenade launcher or the Anti-tank Grenade ???
reusable product or disposable?
In the USSR, disposable grenade launchers were called grenades for ease of decommissioning after their use.

[svp67]

Quote: hohol95

So is it a Grenade launcher or the Anti-tank Grenade ???
reusable product or disposable?

One-time. So, according to our classification, this is a rocket-propelled grenade

[hohol95]

And the noise was made ...
And then we had few such products, and now available!

[svp67]

Quote: hohol95

And then we had few such products, and now available!

Yes, the range of these munitions is more diverse.

[hohol95]

The seditious thought arose that "disposable products" were never made in the Polish Republic !!!
Always bought a license for this or simply imported.

[svp67]

Quote: hohol95

The seditious thought arose that "disposable products" were never made in the Polish Republic !!!

Grenade Launcher "RРG-76 KOMAR"

[hohol95]

Yes, the range of these munitions is more diverse.

They started with the "Fly" RPG-18, and now they have acquired the "Hook" RPG-30.

[svp67]

Quote: hohol95

They started with the "Fly" RPG-18, and now they have acquired the "Hook" RPG-30.

Well, these are anti-tank, and since the RPG-75 has a "thermobaric" grenade, then it is worth remembering our RPO "Bumblebee" ... it will obviously be "cooler"

[hohol95]

"ShmEl" is not an RPG, but an RPO -

Reactive infantry flamethrower - aerosol, RPO-A or "Bumblebee" (known in the war in Afghanistan as "Shaitan-pipe" - Soviet and Russian single-use infantry flamethrower.

[svp67]

Quote: hohol95

"ShmEl" is not an RPG, but an RPO -

And what did I write?

[hohol95]

I was inattentive!

[your1970]

Why hats? Hats do not need to, the foreman will swear for the promotion of public property ...
Or do you think that we are immediately a crowd and tanks, tanks, but in the face of the Poles?
But for some reason, I’m sure that if we suddenly feel the urge to go to Poland on tanks, then we will hit nuclear weapons first, and then, maybe (or maybe not), the tanks will go ...

[Normal ok]

Quote: your1970

But for some reason, I’m sure that if we suddenly feel the urge to go to Poland on tanks, then we will hit nuclear weapons first, and then, maybe (or maybe not), the tanks will go ...

The use of nuclear weapons so close to their own borders is fraught with serious problems for themselves in the first place.

[your1970]

Quote: Normal ok

Quote: your1970

But for some reason, I’m sure that if we suddenly feel the urge to go to Poland on tanks, then we will hit nuclear weapons first, and then, maybe (or maybe not), the tanks will go ...

The use of nuclear weapons so close to their own borders is fraught with serious problems for themselves in the first place.

And the situation in which Tanks should enter will be in Poland- not fraught ???? !!! The only option for such an event is a war !!! And here it will be all the same, close or far ....

[mark1]

Quote: Ilya-spb

It was a long time ago ...

Since then, no one has seen this cavalry ... desperate. heartfelt ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The problem of Poland is not in armament, but in geographical position. No matter what the weapon will be and its small army. Poland was, and remains, a passage room in a European communal apartment and all wars will pass through its territory. Arrogance and geographical location will always bear their negative fruits to this country and its people.

[IL-18]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Arrogance and geographical

Again preparing for the section. Well, they always, if there is an alliance with someone from the West (now NATO and the EU), then they will share it.
Although, the main sign, the presence among the allies, as at the moment, France.

[Thrifty]

The American clones of our RPG7 will impose trumps on them, so, Polyahia, take care of the loot, buy what the United States is obligated to buy, and not what you want.

[Navat]

I would not be so categorical. At the Polish anti-tank competition, the American Javelin loses to Israeli Spike

[Albert1988]

Quote: Navat

I would not be so categorical. At the Polish anti-tank competition, the American Javelin loses to Israeli Spike

One problem is that javelin can be carried on the shoulder and behind the shoulder, and the spike can only be carried on equipment, which at times reduces mobility.

[rotmistr60]

Warsaw plans to buy the RPG-75 production technology and release tens of thousands ... even 150 thousand units

Attach a memo on the grenade launcher - shout to the enemy to open the hatches. The Poles will have to create a "Kachinskiyugend" in order to attach hundreds of thousands of grenade launchers to the hands of true Poles. I wonder to what point Russophobia can be whipped up to make the nation completely mad? Today, most likely, the critical mass is already at the red line.

[cat striped]

Raising the level of Russophobia is easy. It is enough to read what is written here.

[Amateur]

And what about you, colleagues, such a new medical term:

Brain pole

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Amateur

And what about you, colleagues, such a new medical term?

[Dmitry Vyazmenskiy]

A heavy pole of the brain!

[Ros 56]

Yeah, Poles, you will not survive another section, and no grenade launchers will help. During the war, courage and courage are needed, and the grenade launchers themselves do not shoot. So buy better diapers more, come in handy.

[Machete]

Yes, tell the Psheks already that no one is attacking with tank wedges.
There is such a thing as front-line aviation, there is strategic aviation. And there are troops of the Strategic Missile Forces.
Tanks are already crushing caterpillars of what remains.

Well, yes, how do psheks know this?
They RPGeshki from Warsaw will bomb Moscow ...

[voyaka uh]

And they do not have aviation? Only grenade launchers?

[IL-18]

They are subject to division with aviation. Moreover, at least 3 NATO members will participate in the sharing. The Germans are happy, they need to resettle migrants there.

[voyaka uh]

Immigrant Germans APPEAL to themselves from everywhere. And from Poland, and from
Of Russia. From all of eastern Europe.
Germany has a huge labor shortage. They don’t need foreign lands,
they now have their own empty. Villages are disappearing, youth is leaving the towns.

[IL-18]

But when they will divide from the new territories they will not refuse. Any territory has a price, there are certain resources, if the territory is populated, then rabsila,
Migrant to migrant strife. If, for example, from Russia, then yes, in the vast majority they are useful. If those who say that Merkel invited him, then okay, when he only receives the allowance and engage in petty theft. Such assimilation is almost impossible. But offspring, you can. And to evict to the governor-general, it is quite convenient, there selection can be carried out without annoying voters.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Machete

no one is attacking with tank wedges.

In any case, tanks remain the main striking force of the ground forces. Only the Poles do not take into account the fact that tanks usually do not advance on their own. Always accompanied by infantry, whose tasks include the fight against tank-hazardous targets. That is, with the same grenade launchers. With the correct conduct of a military operation, with full interaction of all branches of the military (reconnaissance, tanks, infantry, aviation, electronic warfare, etc.), the Polish grenade launchers, the chances of hitting the tank are close to zero. A guerrilla war against a "dozen tanks" is one thing, and it is another thing to fight a trained and equipped army.

[K-50]

Our opponents [in Iraq and Afghanistan] clearly avoided fighting with soldiers armed with [RPG-75] grenade launchers with such [thermobaric] shells.

That is, it was not possible to apply them, since "the enemy avoided the battle.
I wonder how he (the enemy of the Polish warriors) determined what they were armed with.
It may be easier. The Polish sat on the bases, together with their masters-pin dosniks and did not stick their nose out of the fence?

[Peter is not the first]

Of course not! They reported over loudspeakers that they would soon leave the base with an RPG-75 and go for an hour to the "kurvas" and then both the Iraqis and Taliban fled somewhere far away for that hour so as not to meet with anxious and armed Polish pacifiers.

[jovanni]

The second option, RTG (RPG-75 TB) thermobaric action. As Defense24 points out, he is able to “disable armored vehicles (including heavy tanks)

Ah well! Thermobaric means ... Well then, if anything, please try "Solnepeka". And nafig, as they say, we would not need them, but they themselves suggest ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Let them establish the release of PTR. Although to steal money will do.
So I see Iraqis and Afghans screaming: O Allah, there is a Pole with an RPG-75, we are done, we must run away.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Let the PTR issue be established

[APASUS]

As I understand it, in order to shoot at the tank, and then kill with an empty tube?

[Winnie76]

In addition to tanks, there are a bunch of BBMs for which this same RPG-75 is fatal. Yes, and the tank is quite possibly not good. With mass equipment, the troops of the Polish IMHO are a very dangerous thing

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Winnie76

In addition to tanks, there are a bunch of BBMs for which this same RPG-75 is fatal. Yes, and the tank is quite possibly not good. With mass equipment, the troops of the Polish IMHO are a very dangerous thing

any grenade launcher is a dangerous thing.
But in comparison with the RPG-7 veteran, the Czech thing looks pale, the only advantages are less weight and ease of use.

[Slavik rusin]

and why is the people calling out? The most important thing is the Polish army. What is this? Is it there or is it not? Since it is not there, what is the bazaar about?

[Esaul]

They are strange, no matter what Russia does, they always perceive that it is against them. A perverse megalomania of some kind. Poland for us now is just a territory through which it is not necessary to lay pipes with gas.

[prior]

Who would explain to the Poles - why in a nuclear war a grenade launcher ?!
They wetly hope that Russia will go out to conquer tanks ?!
I used to think better about Poles ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: prior

Who would explain to the Poles - why in a nuclear war a grenade launcher ?!

what nuclear war? Surround ...

Quote: prior

They wetly hope that Russia will go out to conquer tanks ?!

India and Pakistan, both nuclear powers, bite with conventional weapons. They have enough intelligence not to use nuclear weapons

[prior]

Okstilsya. Assuming that an armed conflict begins with the NATO bloc (count with America), how long will it remain nuclear-free? Try to answer yourself.
And India and Pakistan have only border conflicts.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: prior

Assuming that an armed conflict begins with the NATO bloc (count with America), how long will it remain nuclear-free? Try to answer yourself.

it is necessary to try very hard for the conflict to arise with NATO, and not with any separate country.

Quote: prior

And India and Pakistan have only border conflicts.

yeah, with the use of aviation and long-range artillery. What is not the situation for the use of nuclear weapons? Do not use because there is a head on the shoulders

[sanik2020]

Our opponents [in Iraq and Afghanistan] clearly avoided fighting with soldiers armed with [RPG-75] grenade launchers with such [thermobaric] shells. The weapon is lightweight, reliable and easy to use.

Opponents probably asked at first: -show if you have an RPG-75, if you have one, then we went home.

[Fishery]

good, inexpensive, national grenade launcher will not be superfluous

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Tonya

good, inexpensivefolk grenade launcher

yeah, put it under the bed) For each Pole - a grenade launcher

[Fishery]

))) I do not mind, I love weapons)

[ustal1951]

Horseradish gentry. Suvorova A.V. not on you.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Immediately the question. Why does a rocket launcher have such a return that it twitches in the hands of trained shooters ?! He shot with RPG-7 there is nothing like that, and this Polish RPG-75 seems to be oiled and glides in hands.

To say that grenade launchers will save from modern tanks is simply stupid. A grenade launcher can be effective from an ambush (moreover, such as the Poles only have a tank without a DZ, and the T-90M is covered everywhere), but how can the Poles stop the advancing BTG with tanks and artillery with grenade launchers and covered by air defense and aviation ?! In their dreams, they calmly shoot Russian tanks from grenade launchers from around the corner, ditch, windows of the building, but in reality everything will be different, the range of the aimed shot from the tank is more than 2-3 km against 500 meters from such a grenade launcher, including with a high-explosive fragmentation shell, tanks will shoot all fortifications and firing points from a distance at which no RPG-75 can reach them, and artillery will work from above at these positions starting from mortars ending with howitzers and MLRS + aviation, and after that tanks and infantry will go through the positions of the brave Poles with an RPG-75 like a knife through a newspaper.

The 3rd generation ATGMs like Spikes and Javelins can be dangerous for tanks, but there is a simple and cheap way to protect against these missiles -

Only the mesh will need to be pulled on top of the tank. This is a simple and easy way to completely nullify the capabilities of anti-tank systems. The grid is much more efficient, easier and easier to operate than various grilles, especially from ordinary mild steel, which the cumulative grenade / rocket simply either pushes the hull and strikes the armor, or, when initiated, it breaks through the grille and armor.

The grid works differently, it tears the rocket body and the cumulative funnel inside it as a result of which the rocket explodes, but the cumulative stream is not formed.

It is unclear why no one has come up with such a simple method (in this case, ours means that it is already used in the West), especially where it is needed. If there was money, to demonstrate the effectiveness of this defense I would buy an abyss of this net and send it to Syria, conduct demonstration firing on equipment protected by this net and put it on all Syrian tanks.

Such a grid will save you from all RPGs and ATGMs with a high degree of probability, but it certainly does not save you from BOPSs. Therefore, all the same, KAZ is necessary for tanks, but the mesh can effectively protect from ATGMs and RPGs not only tanks, but also armored personnel carriers and armored vehicles of the "Tiger" type

This is used in the West, and in our country, as always, they will only think about it after hundreds of lost tanks. But how did this happen? And the most interesting thing is that it turns out that we have this grid, but for some reason it was not put into the troops. And judging by the T-90M photo, it really is in Russia and its effectiveness is known, but what kind of horseradish it is not used to protect all armored vehicles and they do not deliver the same Syria to our allies I honestly do not understand.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

it tears the body of the rocket and the cumulative funnel inside it as a result of the rocket exploding, but the cumulative stream is not formed.

it is on this principle that the lattice works, its ribs are designed to destroy (cut) the cumulative funnel of the ammunition, thereby ensuring either its inextricability (in the case of piezoelectric fuses), or significantly reducing the power of the kumstroy.
The effectiveness of all these gratings (and competently designed and manufactured) is not more than 0,5. So that

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

simple and easy way to completely nullify the capabilities of anti-tank systems

alas, it doesn’t work out

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The principle is the same, only the result for the gratings is much worse. And they themselves are more bulky and time-consuming to install.

So often, a cumulative grenade / rocket either passes between the ribbons pushes them apart with the body, or is initiated against this lattice and breaks through the armor anyway, and in the case of the grid, the initiation of the grenade is minuscule, but the metal parts woven into this grid work like buckshot, only here not the buckshot flies into the shell, but the shell itself hits the buckshot and collapses.

As another argument, this is the transition of the US Army from bars to grids in Afghanistan and Iraq.

By the way, on the T-90M at first it was like this -

and then it became like that -

I read several cases of their successful use in real combat, with a 100% defense result. Although everything looks very flimsy in appearance.

Everything will work out, you just need to do and close the armored vehicles both from the sides and from above.

The USA and NATO do not fasten the grid from above, because we do not have an anti-tank system that hits from above.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

So often a cumulative grenade / rocket either passes between the ribbons pushes them apart

this is precisely why the emphasis was placed on the competent design and manufacture of gratings (rather than using what comes to hand). The distance between the ribs should be less than the caliber of the ammunition, the ribs are oriented horizontally, the grille is made of high-strength steel.
Only in this case is the deformation of the ammunition

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

in the case of a grid, the initiation of a minuscule rocket grenade, but the metal parts woven into this grid works like a buckshot, only here there is no buckshot flying into the shell, and the shell itself hits the buckshot and collapses.

the mesh bends much more than rigid structures.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

As another argument, this is the transition of the US Army from bars to grids in Afghanistan and Iraq.

and ordinary networks cost bourgeois?
Or like those developed at the Steel Research Institute?

These are the networks installed on the T-54/55 and T-62 tanks, when cumulative ammunition gets into them, they lead to its initiation

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

You don’t see that the grids on the T-55 and the modern ones are completely different?

Modern ones consist of metal inserts that destroy the grant / rocket.

I don’t know what the Steel Research Institute is doing, but I see that our tanks are now not protected by anything, like other armored vehicles, but the United States is doing much better with this.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Modern ones consist of metal inserts that destroy the grant / rocket.

see my comment below

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

What is the Research Institute of Steel doing there, I don’t know

the pictures are pretty clear without comment, no? They work the same way. like bourgeois nets.
Which, by the way, do not give even close to 100% probability of non-destruction of ammunition.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

our tanks are now unprotected, like other armored vehicles, but the United States is doing much better with this

controversial statement. Domestic modern and modernized tanks are normally covered with DZ and grilles, but on Abrpms, Leclerc and Challengers, these pieces are installed only as "urban battle kits"

Yes, and in Afghanistan and Iraq that tanks, that BRM still ride with bars

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes, and in Afghanistan and Iraq that tanks, that BRM still ride with bars

Maybe they still ride somewhere, but now they are massively switching to the grid -

[Grigory_45]

But such a grid, with weights, will work - it is they (weights) that destroy the cumulative funnel of ammunition.

The T-90M is supposedly arranged the same way, but ... the lower edge of the grid is not fixed. Because I doubt that this grid will work

[voyaka uh]

"but ... the bottom edge of the grid is not anchored" ////
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We can work, although not 100%.
It’s about like weights on chains under the tower of the old Merkava.
They were checked, not just hanged. It also helps sometimes, sometimes not.
But better than nothing.

[voyaka uh]

"To say that grenade launchers will save you from modern tanks is just stupid" ////
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Such small-caliber grenade launchers are not against tanks,
and against the rest of the armored vehicles: self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles, trucks, tractors, etc.
They can penetrate a tank only from the side, and even then not always.

[aloleggry]

Somewhere after 1987

Somewhere until 1987. Rubber over the tracts, on the tower a piece of caterpillar. The caterpillar’s ​​target has two goals, both from the grenade launcher and after the blasting, the broken tracks should be quickly changed.

[LuidmilaN1956]

Our soldiers thought of using a mesh anti-cumulative screen during the Second World War.

[hohol95]

Analogue RPG-22/26! Simple disposable rocket-propelled grenade. And the noise is ...

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Navat

They have 3600 Spikes, which are guaranteed to destroy any of our tanks.

But you forgot that for this it is necessary that our tanks come to Poland. Do we need it? Well, or for the Poles to invade Russia. And for that they have a thin gut.

When they had a large intestine, they ate all the rats in the Kremlin in 1612. and finally having cut it off, they began to eat each other when the corpses in the cemeteries were over. .

[Mentat]

Quote: Navat

They have 3600 Spikes, which are guaranteed to destroy any of our tanks.

There is no weapon in the world guaranteed to destroy anything. Only with a certain probability. Stop revenge on the blizzard and at the same time advertise your Spikes.

[Dormidont Evlampievich]

Let the flies be sure to cut

[shadow]

RPG is not 75, but 7.5 They are a little mistaken with the sign.

[Slavik rusin]

I don’t understand why the people make fun of the psheks and jest. Well they are in the same position as we are in Russia. Today they have seized power by an audience calling themselves panas, and people by cattle. They used to fall into the bondage of the Nazi gentry coloborant who donated truly proud and cultured Poland for the US liver. They received very good money for this. They built roads, renewed cities and ... destroyed industries.
Once the Poles built excellent ships, airplanes of different equipment, lots of cosmetics and perfumes. A very decent item. Today the Poles are over. Only the psheks and their panov remained.

[aloleggry]

Yes, there is nothing special for the Poles. Their money, whatever they want, then let them buy it. Although against a modern tank, it’s zilch. Perhaps a bunch of grenades would be more useful.

[Stalllker]

You can tie RPG grenades and more. Long shoulder, with proper training you can throw far)))

[Stalllker]

The article "smiled", childish and naive)

[Shuttle]

These will be one of the most modern main battle tanks of the army there.

If only once again our army did not turn out to be indigenous. For these warriors.

[victorlitvin]

But

[Gogia]

Quote: svp67

In the battle of Alma under the leadership of Menshikov

And do not say. This battle is a disgrace to the Russian Empire as Tsushima. How many times on this field stood and thought - how could everything be so mediocre about $?

[Pvi1206]

The West is preparing a campaign to Russia again ... they have a short memory ... in the world there is a continuous struggle between good and evil ... Russia is one of the few strongholds of good ... still holds ...