The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan has responded to the article "Why Kazakhstan seeks to return to China"

Chinese Ambassador Zhang Xiao visited the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where he was handed a note of protest. The discontent of the Kazakh side was caused by an article on the Chinese portal Sohu.

This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan.

An article on Sohu came out under the heading "Why Kazakhstan Tends to Return to China." Its author doubts that Kazakhstan belongs to its territory. He states that the modern Kazakh state is located on lands that should historically belong to China.

The Kazakh Foreign Ministry indicated to the ambassador that such a publication does not correspond to the “spirit of an eternal comprehensive strategic partnership” between Kazakhstan and the PRC. Thus, the Chinese side was reminded of the joint statement of the heads of the two countries, signed in September last year. In particular, the document implies the interaction of China and Kazakhstan in the dissemination of information.

The same note was handed over to the Chinese Foreign Ministry by the Kazakh Embassy in Beijing.

Although conflicting moments occasionally occur between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the PRC, on the whole, relations between these two states can be called partnership and even friendly. Particularly noteworthy is Chinese assistance in the fight against coronavirus. For example, the Chinese billionaire Jack Ma sent an impressive shipment of protective equipment to Kazakhstan free of charge, and from the official Beijing, medical equipment was sent as part of humanitarian aid. In addition, a large group of doctors from China arrived in Kazakhstan to share their experience with Kazakhstani specialists.

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[mitroha]

Kazakhs and Chinese brothers forever? We also would not hurt about Siberia in Chinese textbooks indignant

[Terenin]

Although between the RK and the PRC periodically conflict moments occur ...

but, nothing will cancel the "gravitational policy" in interstate relations. (Remember, the greater the mass of an object, the more it attracts others ...). Of course, if the policy of a large state is not inert
Chinese, not Russians, you can't let your fingers go like a fan in front of them, they will quickly teach you how to walk.

[Mastodon]

Quote: Terenin

Chinese, not Russians, you can't let your fingers go like a fan in front of them, they will quickly teach you how to walk.

This is true, if it weren’t for Russia to cover Kazakhstan, then China would already be operating there as owners and very tough .. Kazakhs rushing between the three hammers Russia-China -West .. Tony Blair the kid there is not in vain sitting in advisers at the brightest Nursultan ..
But the Kazakhs still moved the capital closer to Russia ..)))
PSI would join Russia and many problems would disappear by themselves and would lag behind you ..
So far, I don’t know of any “former” where they would flourish in their independence ..

[Vita vko]

Quote: Mastodon

PSI would join Russia and many problems would disappear by themselves and would lag behind you ..

Kazakhstan is far from Crimea, not the same history and culture. This is exactly the case when "a fly in the ointment can spoil a barrel of honey." For example, can you imagine that the Russian President would receive bribes from the CIA, personally carry kickbacks to the United States for defrosting national funds, or sue the British authorities for the property of his children in London? And for the majority of Kazakhs and their inviolable "leader of the nation" this is not just a norm, it is a goal to which they strive.
One thing is good that Russian politicians and economists understand all this. Therefore, Russia takes one of the last places in terms of investments in the Kazakhstani economy. It is not difficult to guess who takes the leading places. And whoever pays dances her.

[Mastodon]

Quote: Vita VKO

For example, can you imagine that the Russian President would receive bribes from the CIA, personally take kickbacks to the United States for defrosting national funds, or sue the British authorities for the property of his children in London?

Well, the humpback and ebn, something like that was done ..)))

Quote: Vita VKO

And for the majority of Kazakhs and their inviolable "leader of the nation" this is not just a norm, it is a goal to which they strive.

There is another question, who will be the first to build them ..))))
I really hope that Russia !!! Freedom is understood too literally by the "former", the same Ukraine, the Baltic states ..
And "friendship" will be different ..
And at first the "debriefing" will be tough.

[Kasym]

Vita VKO, about the CIA, this is unlikely. Otherwise, we would not have been in the EAEU, they did not support silos, etc.
Probably, it is not in vain that the GDP wants to prohibit dual citizenship for senior officials, etc.

Everything is the same as ours. The export of capital by the rich, their children study abroad, etc.

The Russian Federation itself needs investments - it is not for nothing that the West has imposed sanctions on this. Do you really think that Russians do not invest in our economy because they understand something there? In my opinion, Russia itself needs investments. After the pandemic, we (both Russia and Kazakhstan) will not see investments from the West. This is unambiguous - the Western countries will dismantle their "blockages" in the economy. We will be left with our own problems. Arab monarchs will not give anything either - they need to "digest" the decline in oil prices. There remains only China, which can invest something, but they are investing in projects that are of interest to them. And here the appointment of Tokayev can somehow help - he is one of the few leaders of countries who knows Chinese perfectly ... Generally speaking, the investments that come from the west to us are the withdrawn money of our rich people.

[Doccor18]

Chinese companies have been "operating" in Kazakhstan for a long time: they extract oil, polymetals, build roads ...

[Kasym]

Oil from Kazakhstan to the PRC - look at the statistics - as far as I remember, this is not more than 3 million tons out of 80, plans are up to 6-7 million tons.
Pipelines in China. 55bn cubic meters of gas and 10 million tons of oil through our new pipelines - ours there are only 15 billion cubic meters of gas, the rest of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan; and 10 million tons of oil Rosneft from the Russian Federation pumps (the link of oil pipelines takes place in Pavlodar - Tyumen oil goes). Due to this, the south of Kazakhstan is completely gasified, now work is going on in Central Kazakhstan (1,7 million people will receive gas - this is slightly less than 10% of the country's population). For each tenge of our pipeline costs, up to 5 tenge of foreign investment for these projects was made. Is it profitable to RK? In my opinion, YES. We see money for transit or offsetting for investments ...
Railways. Silk Road. It was built according to the project about 1 km. After the disintegration, about 500 thousand tons of cargo from the PRC passed through transit. Now it is about several tens of mil. tons. KTZh (an analogue of Russian Railways) receives about 250% of all its revenues just through transit from China. Comrade Xi claims that Kazakhstan is the "champion" in overland transit of Chinese goods. Is it beneficial for Kazakhstan? Moreover, the transit is growing every year. KTZ plans to increase the transit figure to 25% of its income ... Actually, new railways with a length of 50 km have been built in Kazakhstan.
Autobahn. Western China - Western Europe. He is almost ready in the Republic of Kazakhstan - it remains in the Almaty region. to complete. The transit of trucks goes on continuously (until the pandemic) .. Your president has already been demanding from the government for the second year to START building a highway through your territory ... Now on the agenda is the construction of roads from Astana in all directions. Almost all cities already have good roads ... Don't Russians want to drive on good roads? I agree that the Chinese have invested in these roads, but what's wrong with that ?!
Russian companies and fields have enough foreigners. So the situation is mirror.

[maratenok]

good roads?? how long have you been driving on the autobahn? autobahn falling apart as construction

[Kasym]

If with a short circuit, then poking the elder ... Repair is cheaper than building. In Taldyk, it’s quite normal.

[TermNachTer]

Maybe now it will come to them who is their friend, and who just went out for a walk.

[tarakan]

If I am not mistaken, the capital was moved because of the "war of the taipes" who is in the subject, correct.

[Talgat 148]

Because of the threat of earthquakes !!!
Types! ???

[Errr]

Quote: tarakan

If I am not mistaken, the capital was moved because of the "war of the taipes" who is in the subject, correct.

With taipas - this is to Vainakhs. In Kazakhstan, the genus is called Rulars. When transferring the capital, the Belgian version was applied there, so that the northern part, inhabited at that time mainly by Slavs, did not really want to run away with the land. Tselinograd turned out to be a suitable option, as was at the junction of the residence of two main ethnic groups - Kazakhs and Russians.

[Romey]

Kazakhs did not transfer the capital at all because of China’s fear, but rather the opposite. One side of the transfer was aimed at paralyzing the Russian North and Center, strengthening the influence of moderate nationalists on the Kazakh zhuzes and clans of these regions. The other side, paradoxically, was aimed at weakening the influence of the radical nationalists of the South and West, who could instantly bring down the fragile state structure at that time. I must frankly admit that the move was brilliant. From the point of view of geopolitics, the potential influence of Russia (not the Russian Federation) was dealt a blow under the breath: the European population finally ceased to represent itself as some kind of significant political force in terms of taking into account its interests.

[Talgat 148]

And how does Russia cover us! ??? You cannot cover your Far East! Concealer!

[Romey]

Exactly. The Russian Federation and Kazakhstan, no more than half a colony of world powers. Which actually was China until 1946. Therefore, I also do not quite understand what kind of cover can be discussed ...

[16329]

The transfer of the capital of Kazakhstan was planned back in Soviet times.
Alma-ata was considered a seismically problematic city officially, and unofficially the same Chinese question was raised.
In general, Almaty is much nicer and more beautiful than Astana (Akmola)

[georgigennadievitch]

It is a pity for the Kazakhs. Their fate is not enviable. Since Russia has weakened and is not able to solve its problems at the proper level, then it slowly, but methodically and inexorably crushes the heavy Chinese under the skating rink. And then it will be like Uighurs, Dungans, etc. The Chinese call it labor camps, Erdogan concentration camps .... The Chinese have no Kazakh history, culture, education, independence, and the Kazakhs themselves as an isolated community are not needed. They need Kazakh minerals, territory and natural resources. rapprochement with Russia, they (Kazakhs) cannot because of the position of their local "elite". She is most afraid that she will be moved away from the "trough" because of its uselessness and uselessness. That is how the Kazakhs will cheat and shy away while the Chinese are their will not be completely crushed or put on a short leash.

[Kasym]

George, with all due respect, but to the Chinese ... We are divided by the Uighur (XUAR). If the edge touches, then we will begin to arm them. And that's 30 mil. person. Does Beijing need this? Therefore, we have nothing to fear from the Chinese.

[antivirus]

Zhuzes will hum and swallow. Only "Soviet Kazakhs" have a unifying upbringing and correct orientation towards the Russian Federation. to take money from them for help right now? or after?

[Talgat 148]

Let’s ask right now! I am a Soviet Cossack!

[Beringovsky]

Better is a couple of thousand medium-range corebatons near the Chinese border.
Acts better than any concern.

[NF68]

Quote: Mitroha

Kazakhs and Chinese brothers forever?

These brothers will swallow Kazakhstan over time and will never choke.

[Insurgent]

Quote: NF68

These brothers will swallow Kazakhstan over time and will never choke.

If only Kazakhstan does not agree to a large-scale rapprochement with Russia ...
In order for Kazakhs, as an ethnos, to remain Kazakhs, only such a step of rapprochement, the only defense against the expansion of China ...

[NF68]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: NF68

These brothers will swallow Kazakhstan over time and will never choke.

If only Kazakhstan does not agree to a large-scale rapprochement with Russia ...
In order for Kazakhs, as an ethnos, to remain Kazakhs, only such a step, the only salvation from the expansion of China ...

Something tells me that if everything in Kazakhstan continues to be sold at the same pace, then the time will come when few people will ever reckon with the indigenous people of Kazakhstan.

[Insurgent]

Quote: NF68

Something tells me that if everything in Kazakhstan continues to be sold at the same pace, then the time will come when few people will ever reckon with the indigenous people of Kazakhstan.

To be honest, quite a long time ago Kazakhstan and what was happening there became Terra incognita for me, of which the only unknown in the post-Soviet space is Turkmenistan ...

[NF68]

Quote: Insurgent

Terra incognita

I lived there for 31 years. There were friends, acquaintances, work colleagues, not many relatives, etc.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

what was happening there became Terra incognita for me,

We have an area in which many refugees from Kazakhstan live. I worked with some. They told a lot of stories. Retell everything is not enough no place, no time.
I'll tell you three.
One woman told.
Her son graduated from the road institute with a "red diploma".
I could not find work by profession. With great difficulty, in tremendous doom, he tripled a loader into a store.
Another woman told
She worked as the head of the railway station in a coal mine. She is fired, and in her place they put a Kazakh woman, who previously worked as the head of the kindergarten.
They go on a trolley to take to take the site.
Our woman tells the one where, what and how. The Kazakh woman does not listen to her, looks at the driver. When we arrived she asked him, "How do you get on these pieces of iron?" This is it about the rails.
The last story. One guy told
They were three friends as they remembered themselves, as they say do not spill water.
Everything was common.
Two Russians, the third is Kazakh.
One day, the Kazakh said.
Let's kick you Russians out and live ... "

[Anika]

There is such, but this mostly happens in ignorance of the state. Language, in Kazakhstan, by the way, the second state Russian (unlike other CIS countries), how can a person occupy the rank of a person who cannot read and draw up a document order, as before it was necessary to keep Tolmach, and so soon Kazakhstan will become a mono-national country and Russia will not will remain in Kazakhstan "their" people, therefore, from the Russians from Kazakhstan back to their homeland are accepted with a creak than other nations, they are needed by the Motherland there, do not judge strictly personally, especially my opinion

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Anika

how can a rank be held by a person who cannot read and write an order

Well, firstly, she was born and lived there. Hence the language knew
Secondly. Previously, I read and drafted a document, and then forgot how to do it?

[Anika]

You will not believe, in Kazakhstan after the virgin land, there was less of a titular nation than immigrants, new cities, towns were created, from scratch in an open field, for example, came from the Chernihiv region. They called Chernihivka, Kievka, etc., no one spoke Kazakh, the document was in Russian. Therefore, a person who has worked all his life as an accountant cannot understand the docks in the Kazakh language

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Anika

You will not believe,

I will believe

Therefore, a person who has worked all his life as an accountant cannot understand the docks in the Kazakh language

She knew

[Anika]

That's exactly what none of the people could even think that one day he would wake up in another country! Although Kazakhstan was sent to raise the homeland by the Komsomol, etc.,

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Anika

Although Kazakhstan was sent to raise the homeland by the Komsomol, etc.,

In general, we went to master the virgin lands. Mostly volunteers

[Anika]

In our Homeland, everything is usually voluntarily forced, the choice is mine or virgin, choose! We arrived in a field on a virgin soil, a peg with the name of a village, wild strawberries, and then each family took turns to make log houses the whole state farm, and then the Moldovans built barracks, the Armenians laid asphalt, in general the entire Union was on virgin soil

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Anika

, everything is usually voluntarily forced,

Then really the volunteers rode. People were then
And then ...
We built in the mid 70s KKC-2
Announced Komsomolsk youth construction.
But since the Komsomol members were not eager to go somewhere to build something, they gave district police officers throughout the country to recruit "Komsomol volunteers."
They did their best. You know what kind of contingent you were.
In less than 6 months they almost all fled
Then the MO deployed a military unit. Stroybat. Previously, this unit was in Mukachevo.
Two guys from our yard served in that part, and after moving, they were practically at home.
But after the "Komsomol volunteers" they left an invented ditty
"KKTs you KKTs
Blue distance
And we are such a KCC
We saw on the vegetable "

[NikolaiN]

in Kazakhstan, by the way, the second state Russian (unlike other CIS countries)

There is no second state language in Kazakhstan. The state language is one - Kazakh. The Russian language has the status of the language of interethnic communication, but not the state language.

[Anika]

All contracts and other documentation are in two languages.

[NikolaiN]

All contracts and other documentation are in two languages.

It’s not always true, sometimes I get documentation on work only in the state language. But the conversation was about the status of the language, only the Kazakh language has the status of the state. Russian is the language of interethnic communication; this is a big legal difference.
I myself live in the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan, I do not experience obvious problems from ignorance of the Kazakh language. We have a very large population outflow, and not only Russian-speakers are leaving. The main reason is economic. The children themselves left for Russia, but no one forced them to go. Just here, in the north, there are few jobs, low salaries, few opportunities to realize oneself, low living standards.

[Vadim02rus]

by the way the second state Russian

Before all this confusion, I took my wife to the tax office. She left the office with big eyes: "-He doesn't understand me!"
I had to ask for another "manager".

[Talgat 148]

Tales from the crypt! ??)))
It’s not funny to write this nonsense!
Russian refugees !? They do not exist! There was no war in Kazakhstan! There was no massacre, etc.
Do not carry garbage!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Talgat 148

They do not exist! There was no war in Kazakhstan! There was no massacre, etc.

Who are they?
They ran away from the lawlessness and attitude towards the Russians that was going on there
No war is needed to bring to flight. It is enough to bring to such a state that the person RUN
What did they Kazakhs do

[Talgat 148]

Examples in the studio!
And then I can tell you so unfoundedly!

[musketon64]

And in February of this year in Masanchi what happened? Not a massacre? Interethnic conflicts in Kazakhstan are commonplace. My friend in the 80s served in Kazakhstan in the internal troops and had to regularly disperse local disassemblies.

[Talgat 148]

Conflicts occur everywhere, often a lot.
But Russian refugees from Kazakhstan still do not exist !! Do not try, the truth is not on your side!

[musketon64]

I live in central Russia and we did NOT have any interethnic conflicts in the 80s. Except for small fights in the markets and in restaurants with newcomers and drunken horsemen. But they were quickly put in their place with subsequent expulsion for violation of the passport regime. But it was not often and a little. But in your Kazakhstan it really is - often and a lot. It is politically correct to call Russians who have left the national republics from pressure at the household and state levels "forced migrants", but this does not change the essence of what happened. They simply ran away from you.

[musketon64]

And you generally had a war in the Caucasus, nothing !?)))))
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This is a different story. The war in the Caucasus was largely triggered to stop the real genocide against the Russian-speaking population.
This happened on the territory of Russia and it was not possible not to respond to it. If Russia responded to the oppression of Russians in the same way --- it would be regarded as aggression and interference in the internal affairs of independent states. So everything that happened on your conscience remains. But it seems not. Since you so earnestly do not want to recognize the mass exodus of the Slavic population. I personally know several people who left RK and tell almost the same stories of their departure. With a heavy heart.

[Talgat 148]

In short, for your garden, see nothing to climb to us. You do not see a speck in your eye !!!

[Soviet Union]

After the collapse of the Union, in many republics there was a departure of a non-indigenous ethnic group (let’s say, to the historical homeland) I think you will agree. What does this apply to all the republics of the former Union. Moreover, the departures were mainly for living in the midst of one’s own ethnic group. As Talgat correctly noted, conflicts occurred, but very rarely. At that, they were extinguished very harshly (even with respect to the Kazakhs, if it was clear that the Kazakhs provoked a conflict. Up to criminal punishment). As for the mass exodus of the Slavs, I personally saw a mass exodus of Uzbeks, Chechens, Germans, Greeks, Ukrainians. Because among them were my friends from childhood. Will you really argue that you were leaving ONLY to the historical homeland ONLY because they committed genocide.

[musketon64]

After the collapse of the Union, in many republics there was a departure of a non-indigenous ethnic group (let’s say, to the historical Motherland) I think you will agree.))))))))))))))))))))
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I agree. This is a well-known fact.

What does this apply to all the republics of the former Union. ))))))))))))))))))))))))
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No, not all. For example, from the Baltic countries there was no such massive outflow of the Russian-speaking population, despite all sorts of laws restricting their rights.
But from the southern outskirts of the shaft fell, for some reason.

Moreover, the departures were mainly for living in the environment of one’s own ethnic group.)))))))))))
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It’s not a fact. There is a large Armenian diaspora in Russia, but they do not have a great desire to move to their historical homeland, "... to live in the environment of their ethnic group". As well as Georgians, Azerbaijanis, etc. The Jews have left, but these do not want to, for some reason.

Will you really argue that you were leaving for your historical Motherland ONLY, due to the fact that they committed genocide.)))))))))))))))))))))
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This is one of the reasons. The harshest treatment of the Russian-speaking population (and not only) was done in Tajikistan and Chechnya. From there they did not just leave, but fled to save their lives. In other republics (mainly in the 90s) the Russian-speaking population came under the pressure of the so-called "growth of national self-awareness" in the form of moral and psychological pressure and criminal terror. With the full connivance of local authorities, and often with direct encouragement. Famous ma'am: "Suitcase - station - Russia". Ironically, now the inhabitants of these non-states themselves are forced to use the same route. In private conversations with my acquaintances, I predicted a similar development of events: “First they will kick out the Russians, then they will grapple with each other, and then they will run together to us, to Russia. Moreover, they will accuse us of abandoning their poor fellows in difficult times. " As he looked into the water.

[Talgat 148]

https://youtu.be/UHzOcOsQQ24

Look!

[musketon64]

And this is for you. Https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = ASki_ZIRgaY

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Conflicts occur everywhere, often and many

Is there no Dungan from Kazakhstan either who fled?

Quote: Talgat 148

But Russian refugees from Kazakhstan still do not exist !! Do not try, the truth is not on your side

Yeah, not one left! It’s not funny for yourself?

[Talgat 148]

Not funny, the Russians themselves are fleeing from you, to Canada, the USA, Europe !!!
This is not an example! And generally look after yourself! Soon you will be nursing grandchildren Chechens, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Not funny, the Russians themselves are fleeing from you, to Canada, the USA, Europe !!!
This is not an example! And generally look after yourself! Soon you will be nursing grandchildren Chechens, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks!

Dream and remember about China, he then remembers about you!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Talgat 148

Not funny, the Russians themselves are fleeing from you, to Canada, the USA, Europe !!!

If you count that percentage of Russians. who leaves for these countries and the percentage of Kazakhs who leave for the same Russia will become insulting for Russia, of course, but for Kazakhstan it will become scary ...

[Talgat 148]

Once they got closer, they almost disappeared and did not lose the territory!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

There would be no entry into the Republic of Ingushetia, there would be many of us, and we would live better!

A masterpiece! China will help now.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Tank Hard

A masterpiece! China will help now.

Generous China will help until the last Kazakh, to the last square meter of Kazakh land!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Heaven, from now on we will live forever !!!!

Yes, live, even in China, even where.

Quote: Talgat 148

But you don’t know.

I don’t know - this is the key.

Quote: Talgat 148

Nobody loves you

Spit! The main thing is to remember the past and love parents and children.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Samruk

I live on a short street of houses 30, I had to bury several of your abandoned old people with neighbors already, to whom the children came only after the funeral in order to inherit and quickly sell houses and leave. Now there are three more lonely old women, they also will probably have to be buried asar (this is when the neighbors work together to do something). This is not to mention that these old people need to bring food and medicines from the pharmacy from the store, and sometimes feed them when they are sick and cannot cook themselves.

I don't know if you are writing the truth about how you save the abandoned old people there. But I heard that some people in Bishkek will move into apartments with lonely old people, ostensibly to provide assistance. Old people very quickly left for another world ... Often district police officers were suspected of such schemes. The newspaper "Delo number" (a well-known newspaper at that time) even wrote articles on this, it seems,. We buried our old people and left, after I personally, my mother, were constantly reminded that it was time for us to get out to our historical homeland. We made your "non-chauvinists" happy and left.

Quote: Samruk

. In general, it’s all bad, especially when I read the plans of your dives about the annexation of part of Kazakhstan for allegedly Russophobia

Tu decided to write without rudeness, but some can not, apparently ...
It is no secret that such states as Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, in their current form, appeared after the collapse of the USSR. Until this period, I had not read about such states within these borders. A significant and overwhelming part of the population of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation was and still is - Russians. Without their participation, there would be neither these states, nor ethnic groups in the form in which they are present now, all the scientific and industrial potential of these countries (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan) was created by the Russians, for the most part. Under the USSR, I don’t even remember such a definition in relation to the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz as the technical intelligentsia. There was another intelligentsia, but I don’t remember about the technical one. But instead of gratitude to this people, you’re introducing a term like -

Quote: Samruk

your dives

What, the finite characterizes you very much. And then write this

Quote: Samruk

I bring bread for dinner to a Russian grandmother. She is certainly not to blame for the fact that her children are so ungrateful and there are Internet sheep with chauvinistic FACs

Personally, my opinion on the annexation of Kazakhstan is unambiguous, this state is within certain borders, even if it remains within them. Russia does not need to touch this. Yes, Russia does not apply. China and Kazakhstan must deal with it themselves. By the way, do Dungan grandmothers also carry bread?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Talgat 148

Heaven, from now on we will live forever !!!!

Forever, is it completely absorbed by China, which bought all the current leadership? Short some eternity turns out))))

[Albert1988]

Quote: Talgat 148

Nobody loves you

It’s true that they don’t love us, but they either respect us or are afraid, and sometimes both, and there’s neither one nor the other with you, and there’s no love either ... If we were with Russia, China would be the same with great reverence to you ...

[Talgat 148]

Will help! And the language will help you master !!!!)))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Will help! And the language will help you master !!!!)))

Come on, teach the Latin alphabet.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Talgat 148

Will help! And the language will help you master !!!!)))

We, dear, are with China in the same weight, but you are simply not comparable with this monster and you will never, even if you climb out of your skin!
At the same time, China is culturally and historically alien to you, the Uighurs who live on the territory of both countries, China is almost genocidal, this is already a great reason to think about such a "neighbor", the Russians who ended up in China after the same revolution and civil the Chinese did not exterminate wars from something, then the Japanese did this during the Second World War ...
At the same time, Russia for Kazakhstan is the only real friend who can really provide assistance, and free of charge ... But, do not value it - the dragon has already opened its mouth ...

[MstislavHrabr]

And that's great. A densely populated country will appear next to us. With a large capacious market. Well, they will speak Chinese. Kazakhs will disappear. There will be a new nationality Russian Chinese ... Just kidding. But there is some truth in every joke ...

[Talgat 148]

First, you will disappear, slowly, from the Far East, half Siberia and Moscow, and we will live forever! For we are the Great Steppe!))))
Choke on the poison of your saliva!)))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

First, you will disappear, slowly, from the Far East, half Siberia and Moscow, and we will live forever!

Learn Chinese first.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Talgat 148

First, you will disappear, slowly, from the Far East,

We, dear, have been disappearing from there for 30 years, we still can’t disappear under the influx of unreal Chinese hordes. who stay there for a maximum of a couple of years, with rare exceptions, and then leave much warmer)))

Quote: Talgat 148

For we are the Great Steppe!))))

"The Great Steppe" - I agree, it will live forever, as a geographical phenomenon ... But those who will live in this steppe will be very different)))))

[MstislavHrabr]

The Chinese also think so. You are the Great Chinese steppe ...

[paul3390]

From the point of view of the Chinese, we all temporarily for some reason do not pay tribute to the Son of Heaven barbarians ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mitroha

Siberia in Chinese textbooks

This is a different China. Taiwanese.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mitroha

We also would not hurt about Siberia in Chinese textbooks indignant

It was necessary not to give Manchuria after the Victory over Japan to China.

[Aviator_]

And what about the Manchu Chinese? By the way, Gao Gang, the leader of the Communists of Manchuria, even before the founding of the PRC, requested all of Manchuria in the USSR as a union republic. Joseph refused him, and then Mao remembered.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aviator_

By the way, Gao Gang, the leader of the Communists of Manchuria, even before the founding of the PRC, requested all of Manchuria in the USSR as a union republic. Joseph refused him

It was such a thing. Stalin did this for the sake of a great friendship with a great neighbor, but in vain, a great friendship passes very quickly.

[Aviator_]

With smart politics, friendship would continue, but Khrushchev Kukuruzny appeared here.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aviator_

With smart politics, friendship would continue, but Khrushchev appeared

The purest Trotskyist, whom Stalin had regretted at one time, everything went away from him. Dirty little man was.

[Anika]

Not only manchuria, there are also Uigurs, Tibet, here’s the Union that created the car, just kapets

[Tank hard]

Quote: Anika

there are still Uigurs,

A significant part of them, they say, the Chinese are cherishing in Xinjiang.

[Prisoner]

What for? You need to write your textbooks about the original Russian lands of Yunnan and Sichuan. A circulation of 10-20 for their Foreign Ministry Let them also be indignant.

[knn54]

Chinese historians believe: "If China defeated the Dzungar state (which haunted neither the Kazakhs nor the Qin empire for three centuries)), then the entire territory belonging to the Dzungars should go to the state that defeated them."
And this is the land right up to Balkhash.
The Chinese then staged genocide, destroying more than 3 million Dzungars. But they themselves were weakened so that they did not have time to "master" the land. The Kazakhs HAVE RETURNED to.

[Anika]

Dzhungars reached the lands of the younger zhuz, Orenburg, now it is Kalmyks in Russia

[Talgat 148]

They didn’t return, no matter how you try to belittle us, but they won back !!!!
Enviously, 9 territory in the world!))))
Nothing, brother, soon you will have other problems, you will not breed, your population is falling!
And the new year on Red Square saw how many "Russians" newfound walk !?)))))
You worry about us!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Nothing, brother, soon you will have other problems, you will not breed, your population is falling!

Think about yourself, learn Chinese.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mitroha

Kazakhs and Chinese brothers forever?

Aha. According to the cut of the eyes

[cost]

An article on Sohu came out under the heading "Why Kazakhstan Tends to Return to China." Its author doubts that Kazakhstan belongs to its territory. He states that the modern Kazakh state is located on lands that should historically belong to China.

Belong to China?
Probably, the Sohu iksperds, due to their "great literacy", believe that the Russian Cossack city Verny - today's Alma-Ata - is the ancient capital of China

[Tank hard]

Quote: Rich

Belong to China?
Probably, the Sohu iksperds, due to their "great literacy", believe that the Russian Cossack city Verny - today's Alma-Ata - is the ancient capital of China

You laugh in vain, no longer Cossack, but over time it may not be Alma-Ata. There is such an area on the map, called - "Central Tien Shan"

[Vadim02rus]

but over time, perhaps not Alma-Ata

Why with time? It has long been Almaty.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mitroha

We also would not hurt about Siberia in Chinese textbooks indignant

Let the world community resent that 146 million Russians have seized 1/7 of the land and the Arctic from humanity ....
The share of land would have been greater if the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF would not have distributed part of its land to its neighbors "brothers" ...

[Tank hard]

Quote: Lara Croft

The share of land would have been greater if the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF would not have distributed part of its land to its neighbors "brothers" ...

Let's rightly clarify the name of the distributors - the party.

[Mytholog]

An article on Sohu came out under the heading "Why Kazakhstan Tends to Return to China." Its author doubts that Kazakhstan belongs to its territory. He states that the modern Kazakh state is located on lands that should historically belong to China.

Overton's window is cut through)
The Chinese are feeling Kazakhstan)

[Tatyana]

Quote: Mytholog

The Overton window is cut through) The Chinese are feeling through Kazakhstan

Under Chinese capitalism with a communist face, such actions in the PRC media were quite predictable.

[Mytholog]

Quote: Tatiana

Under capitalism with a communist face, such actions in the PRC media are quite predictable.

They could do such actions even without a "capitalist face".
Damansky remember.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Mytholog

Damansky remember.

just remember ... and Tarobarov, and the Great Ussuri ... it was not the hunchbacks and Yeltsin did.

[To be or not to be]

Kazakhstan is located in the underbelly of the Volga-Don Economic Region of Russia ..

[asura]

Looking at the map of the so-called Kazakhstan, I always caught myself thinking: how do you want to cut off this northern ledge crashing into Russia ....
Mentally draw a straight line right across Astana. What a gorgeous and even border would be.

[Talgat 148]

Dreaming is not bad!
One dreamer named Adolf dreamed!)))))

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

Dreaming is not bad!

Judging by China, they have learned to realize their dreams, these are not Dungans, there are more of them. And much more, and so on, so on ...

[Talgat 148]

We don’t care who is the bigger one who is less likely to turn any head off like Finns in 1940, like Afghans, like Somalis! ANYONE !!!!!!

[asura]

Folders ...)))
Ukrainians also beat themselves in the chest about Crimea, and where is he now?

By the way, the Finns in the 1940s decreased their countrymen, this is about knowledge of history ...
But a comparison with the failed state of Somalia is just right here

[Tank hard]

Quote: Talgat 148

let's turn any head off

Yelling into the voice! Come on, throw your hats.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: asura

Mentally draw a straight line right across Astana. What a gorgeous and even border would be.

Do not listen

Talgat 148 (Talgat)

hope and wait, everything will be ahead ...
Kazakhstan and other neighbors of the Russian Federation never achieved the former power of their national formations with the prefix of the Soviet Socialist Republic ...

[Grandfather]

Quote: To be or not to be

Kazakhstan is located in the underbelly of the Volga-Don Economic Region of Russia ..

what are you ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mytholog

Chinese feel for Kazakhstan

Or the hint is "We're on our way."

[Mytholog]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Mytholog

Chinese feel for Kazakhstan

Or the hint is "We're on our way."

Well, this is no longer a hint. This is a polite warning: "Wait for a visit")

[Tank hard]

Quote: tihonmarine

Or the hint is "We're on our way."

This is not a hint, it is a direct message. IMHO

[polar fox]

China, as in the movie "Bluff": ... he also touched this ... "and took the piece of material for himself.

[CommanderDIVA]

The Chinese people from Central Asia consider themselves lower and the territories inhabited by these peoples consider them, despite official statements, the only way to protect the Kazakhs from the Han Han expansion is to be friends with Russia, the Americans are far

[gabonskijfront]

The Chinese are not going to conquer anyone, they have been thinking for centuries, for them Kazakhstan and Russia, these are some neoplasms that can cease to exist at a certain historical turn and they will take advantage of this calmly. Chinese identity is 5 years old, for them the collapse of the Roman Empire was just recently , and not the rationality of European monkeys and the pathological passion to destroy everything is known, so that in the long term 300 years, everything can and will happen.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gabonskijfront

. Chinese identity 5 thousand years, for them the collapse of the Roman Empire it was recently

Yes, about the collapse of the Roman Empire, the Chinese learned only in the 19th century. All these 5 thousand years they cooked in their enclave.

[gabonskijfront]

the concept of a middle empire, all the barbarians are around. It was simply not interesting to them, as our history is Eurocentric, although until the 16th century it was an insignificant place with an evil population, so they have, China is the center of the universe, and all reasonable people should understand this, and who does not understand that wild.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gabonskijfront

China is the center of the universe, and all reasonable people should understand this, and whoever does not understand that wild.

Maybe someone is wild, but about 20 Chinese families lived in our village. And at that time, we certainly considered the Chinese to be wild. But 50 years have passed since then and everything has changed, I don’t know for a long time or not.

[CommanderDIVA]

One word Celestial, the concept of Taoism and Confucianism

[eutarakanow]

The territory of China is historically limited by the Great Wall of China. Further north, the claims are not substantiated.

[rocket757]

As always. Those who imagine themselves as the coolest of all have no friends, they have only interes!
Old as the world.

[Most kind]

The Chinese simply reminded the independent Kazakhs about the historical problem of the Chinese themselves, this is land and many deserts and people, because why did the Kazakhs rush into the Republic of Ingushetia, the Chinese simply promised to slightly join them, so much so that there would be no history of proud bais and traces in history

[Alecsandr]

Now, if the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs were brothers forever. Nobody would have broken us then. I would like to mark the Tatars as a separate line. Read the list of any losses Ivanov, Petrov, Khazbatullin, and necessarily some Kazakh surname. The Kazakhs are excellent warriors. Who does not believe read about Bourdzhan Momysh-uly. Even Fidel Castro admired him. Read the story "Volokolamskoe shosse" by Alexander Bek. That is why we were taken to different apartments in the CIS

[APASUS]

Not only Russians are scared by evil Chinese. Are all of China's neighbors serious problems on this issue?

[Mastodon]

Quote: APASUS

Not only Russians are scared by evil Chinese. Are all of China's neighbors serious problems on this issue?

And most importantly, who constantly scares in their "world media"?
I have never seen a Chinese in my life. I saw Negroes in my distant childhood!

[yfast]

Where did this plow come from? Did someone find the digital IP address of this site and learn how to use a Google translator? Now every day a couple of authoritative opinions crawls out of there.

[Mastodon]

Quote: yfast

Now every day a couple of authoritative opinions crawls out of there.

And I like it ... Earlier I still remember there was "Bulletin of Mordovia", good articles))))

[Tank hard]

An article on Sohu came out under the heading "Why Kazakhstan Tends to Return to China." Its author doubts that Kazakhstan belongs to its territory. He states that the modern Kazakh state is located on lands that should historically belong to China.

Q.E.D. China has always considered these territories to be its own. Russia was "gone" from these places. A huge number of Russians (and not only Russians, but also the so-called Russian-speaking) were forced to leave these territories. Now China is already directly declaring its claims to these territories. The United States will not be able to occupy the niche of Russia, and it could not before, and after the events with the "coronavirus" it will not pull at all. China will more and more insistently remind of itself. It is not for nothing that the maps have such a designation as - "Central Tien - Shan". Either there will still be. (IMHO)

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Doccor18

Chinese companies have been "operating" in Kazakhstan for a long time: they extract oil, polymetals, build roads ...

Not only in Kazakhstan.
Tajiks flee to Moscow because of Chinese expansion.
Well done Chinese, if they are starting a construction project, or they are setting up production, they always bring their workers, workers. those staff engineers.
And the indigenous population sucks a paw, and leaves to countries where even less protect their fellow citizens- to Russia for example.
"- The annual inflow of migrants to the territory of Russia has been stable over the past years and amounts to about 16,5-17 million. Every day, about 10 million foreigners are in Russia."
Valentina Kazakova, Head of the Main Directorate for Migration of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia

https://iz.ru/969161/elena-loriia-petr-marchenko/chislo-zhelaiushchikh-priobresti-rossiiskoe-grazhdanstvo-postoianno-rastet
In principle, the former Soviet republics received an answer from the Chinese for Russia.
After the collapse of the Union, they enthusiastically began not just to expel the Russians, but staged bloody entic purges.
Now they have begun to reap the fruits of hatred sown by the generous hand of local Russophobe nationalists.

Looking a little further, it turns out that the fate of the former Soviet republics reveling in their independence is a foregone conclusion. Without the White Tsar or Big Brother, these republics will become weak vassals of stronger countries, their natural resources will be sold, and the peoples betrayed by greedy corrupted rulers ("" My mother [Dariga] kept my grandfather on a hook because I was his son "
Youngest grandson undergoing drug treatment in Britain Nursultan Nazarbayev Aisultan recognized the ex-president of Kazakhstan as his father ").
http://www.compromat.ru/page_40975.htm

[Tank hard]

Quote: Comrade Kim

In principle, the former Soviet republics received an answer from the Chinese for Russia.
After the collapse of the Union, they enthusiastically began not only to expel the Russians, and they made bloody entic cleansing

To each his own! Seeker and will find! Do you remember? I - retribution!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This article is not casual in the most respected Chinese publication. The population of China is gradually accustomed to the idea that Kazakhstan is part of China.

Kazakhstan, choosing a policy of separation from Russia, may be part of China. It is clear that this will not happen tomorrow, but I cannot vouch for the day after tomorrow.

This also concerns us, articles about the historical lands of China on the territory of modern Russia also appear regularly in the Chinese media.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This article is not casual in the most respected Chinese publication. The population of China is gradually accustomed to the idea that Kazakhstan is part of China.

Kazakhstan, choosing a policy of separation from Russia, may be part of China. It is clear that this will not happen tomorrow, but I cannot vouch for the day after tomorrow.

This also concerns us, articles about the historical lands of China on the territory of modern Russia also appear regularly in the Chinese media.

You are absolutely right and this is a very serious problem for everyone.

[frizzy]

But I don’t feel sorry. Let the Chinese even take away all of Kazakhstan. All the same, the herdsmen and herders will not build paradise. And at least every Kazakh will have Huawei and Salami !!!!

[Mentat]

Quote: Talgat 148

Conflicts occur everywhere, often a lot.
But Russian refugees from Kazakhstan still do not exist !! Do not try, the truth is not on your side!

Do not be angry. Remember that a lot of "well-wishers" are trying to put sticks in the wheels of developing good relations between nations. They benefit from chaos, disunity and conflict. Including There are characters on this forum who perform similar tasks. Those are subsidized and spinning in Kazakhstan. Keeping sobriety in relation to any events and milestones in history, you need to strive for the best.

No wonder the leadership of both Russia and Kazakhstan recognize each other as their most important geopolitical partners. This is obvious and necessary to develop, resisting attempts at interference, attempts to reduce the process of cooperation to nothing.

The weaker the elite, the lower the level of education, culture, education of the people, the easier it is to do it. At its level, it is important not to succumb to imposed grievances and conflicts, but to bring your point of view to those who are nearby, whom we can influence. Even a little nationwide, but it is valuable. Somewhere to step over the "national pride", somewhere to keep yourself or relatives, friends from rash harshness or the influence of crafty "authorities", muddy sources of information. Water the sprouts of the future harvest, which brings prosperity, and weed the weeds of hostility.

Good luck to Kazakhstan in development and our cooperation, it is necessary and for the benefit of us all, the people of our countries.