Military Review

Military expert: God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"

307

In the West, attempts are often made not just to conduct a comparative analysis of modern Russian tanks with American and European models, but also to expose this, so to speak, analysis as an occasion to announce the "problems" and "insolvency" of Russian military equipment (not only tanks, by the way).


For obvious reasons, recognizing the high quality of the weapons produced in Russia today for the same American “partners” means one thing - to give Russia an additional advantage in terms of developing competition in the global arms market.

That is why in the Western media, in the accounts of social networks, materials often appear, the authors of which are looking for at least some reason to state the “shortcomings” of the technology of the Russian military-industrial complex.

In one of today's articles, Military Review published a Western video, which can be called an example of the aforementioned policies. We are talking about material "A video appeared on the Web with a hint of the superiority of the Abrams tank over the T-14 Armata in stabilization." In the video, the author tries to demonstrate a certain superiority of the M1A2 Abrams tanks over the T-14 Armata tanks in terms of the nature of stabilization during the shooting. The attempt to compare tanks of completely different classes (up to their masses) seems more than strange.

Such a “comparison” specifically for Military Review was commented on by military expert Viktor Baranets, who is a member of the Presidium of the All-Russian organization Russian Officers.

According to the expert, this is an absolutely stupid comparison that comes from the “ritual American itch”.

Victor Baranets:

This is an attempt at least in such a cheap way to make fun of a Russian tank. The Americans do not know the capabilities of our T-14 tank and do not know the system for its stabilization. They have not yet seen our tank in action, nor have they yet seen how it shoots on the move. I was once given the opportunity to see how this tank fires, and I will say this: God forbid the American "Abrams" in the opposite direction to meet our "Armata".

At the same time, Viktor Baranets noted that nevertheless this is from the realm of assumptions and he does not want to become like the Americans, who are used to comparing weapon not in a real combat situation, but theoretically.

Victor Baranets:

What can we talk about if they win everything on the Internet with us aviation battles, on the Internet they mean the superiority of the Patriot system over our S-400s. All this is a typical American boast, which is more based on words than on the real state of affairs. I believe that this is part of the information war that the Americans are waging against our military-industrial complex.
Author:
307 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 14 2020 14: 26 New
    25
    As I said .... Hollywood is one thing, a real battle with the deaths, it's another .....
    1. Irokez
      Irokez April 14 2020 15: 20 New
      14
      You're right, blood brother, the USA is a beautiful wrapper of shit.
      1. Chingachguk
        Chingachguk April 14 2020 15: 26 New
        +4
        good always happy for blood brothers !!!! drinks
        1. kjhg
          kjhg April 14 2020 17: 18 New
          11
          Quote: Chingachguk
          always happy for blood brothers !!!!

          Relatives? Or just Mowgli seen enough?
          1. Chingachguk
            Chingachguk April 14 2020 17: 22 New
            +3
            What do you want? Why are you interested in? sad
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 April 14 2020 18: 22 New
              20
              The comparison is incorrect.
              M1A2 Abrams was launched thirty years ago.
              And released his wazoo.
              And the mass production of Almaty has not yet been established.
              Correctly compare the M1A2 Abrams with the T-90. There were no serious collisions of the formations of these tanks, so it’s hard to say anything. But there is still a lot of modernization, both tanks, each of which seriously affects the performance characteristics.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Shurik70
                And the mass production of Almaty has not yet been established.
                Correctly compare the M1A2 Abrams with the T-90. There were no serious collisions of the formations of these tanks

                Abrams with T-90 did not meet at all in battle
            2. Boratsagdiev
              Boratsagdiev April 15 2020 12: 39 New
              0
              Death is pale-faced! am
          2. ava09
            ava09 April 26 2020 20: 16 New
            0
            Relatives, not relatives ... Brothers in reason, or rather, in its absence. Wank them to the enemy, but did not teach to think. Urya - patriots are more profitable. Ask them: where did they see this Armata? Certainly only at the parade in 2015. But it’s in their inflamed brain - meaningless details. On this topic Yulin B.V. spoke out exhaustively: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKpZKxRkVM
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 26 2020 20: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: ava09
              On this topic Yulin B.V. spoke out fully

              I looked. Got sad. A noble dude with an extraordinary ease determines the need of the RF Armed Forces in tanks on the Armata platform. And at the same time he talks (with the same ease) about everything: from submarines to airplanes and vice versa. Oh, how, I think, hto what is it?

              Boris Yulin is a military historian. Born in 1967 in Khabarovsk. He has two higher educations: rocket engineer (MAI) and historian (MOPI)

              Now explain to me, the slow-witted: how can historian (about bunny) to determine the need for troops ... yes in the same tanks, for example? And why he needs to be trusted - also ... explain.

              Be kind yes
        2. Grits
          Grits April 15 2020 08: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Chingachguk
          always happy for blood brothers !!!!

          Iroquois is unlikely to be your brother. The Iroquois constantly terrorized their neighbors, expanding the hunting grounds, including the Mohicans. Of which, as is known, Chingachgook was.
          1. Oleg Zorin
            Oleg Zorin April 15 2020 13: 32 New
            0
            Bravo. Virtuoso replica
          2. Irokez
            Irokez April 15 2020 17: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Gritsa
            Iroquois is unlikely to be your brother.

            You want to say that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are not Slav brothers?
            1. Grits
              Grits April 16 2020 12: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Irokez
              You want to say that Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are not Slav brothers

              This is not about that. I was just joking considering your nicknames. hi
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 14 2020 15: 58 New
        0
        Quote: Irokez
        You're right brother in the blood, USA is a beautiful wrapper of shit

        Colorized propaganda
        1. Blondy
          Blondy April 14 2020 16: 24 New
          +9
          Why the author has not yet retrained himself into virology, but he chews the old chewing gum.
        2. Navat
          Navat April 14 2020 16: 46 New
          -7
          Lipchanin, have you been to the USA?
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 14 2020 17: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Navat
            Lipchanin, have you been to the USA?

            belay belay belay
        3. Light
          Light April 14 2020 19: 51 New
          13
          But in reality, the Anglo-Saxons, for example, the coronavirus in the ass itself)) Captain America is in no hurry to save laughing
          1. Kraken_97
            Kraken_97 April 15 2020 23: 47 New
            -2
            Does anyone else believe in cartoons about coronavirus?
      3. Navat
        Navat April 14 2020 16: 46 New
        -12
        Iroquois, how do you know about the USA? Have you been there
        1. Chingachguk
          Chingachguk April 14 2020 17: 27 New
          +3
          But why be there to understand what fighting gay men from the USA breathe? laughing For example, it is enough to remember the "smell" emitted by the sailors of Donald Cook at the sight of our drying ... And how many of them were written off to the shore after EMITATION by drying attack .... EMITATION !!! laughing laughing laughing
          1. Wengr
            Wengr April 14 2020 18: 03 New
            +2
            Imitations. I understand, Shaw Indian, but still. Abrams were in battle? There were. Armata only rode in the parade. Questions?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 April 14 2020 19: 40 New
              +9
              Do you want Abrams and Armats clash? So this is a full-blown war. Tell me, who advocates this?
              1. Vasya17
                Vasya17 April 15 2020 07: 28 New
                0
                this is difficult to do, due to the lack of a REAL-ready combat tank in real life
                1. Boratsagdiev
                  Boratsagdiev April 15 2020 12: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasya17
                  due to the absence in real life of a combat-ready tank ARMATA

                  what do you think is combat ready? ....
                  serial assembly?
                  "Engineering" samples can also produce heat.
                  In addition, it seems like there is already a small batch of trials.
            2. Chingachguk
              Chingachguk April 15 2020 06: 23 New
              +2
              Yes Yes Yes! I remember something "abrams in battle ...... laughing is it with whom America fought then? What war did you win? I recall that they wrote about the great weight of the Abrams, then they got stuck, then there. Oh yes! They also say that without the presence of toilet paper in the abrams, he does not shoot ...... wink
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 36 New
                -2
                Quote: Chingachguk
                is it with whom America fought then?

                The United States has been fighting almost uninterrupted since the end of World War II. Unless, of course, the story is a little familiar to you, you should know that.

                Quote: Chingachguk
                What war did you win?

                all except Korea and Vietnam
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 37 New
                -1
                Quote: Chingachguk
                They also say that without the presence of toilet paper in the abrams, he does not shoot.

                they say that chickens are milked.
                And a lot of things are also written on the fence. You probably believe all the inscriptions on it?
                1. Rustic i ......
                  Rustic i ...... April 19 2020 21: 08 New
                  -1
                  And how does your scribble differ from the fence?
            3. Kraken_97
              Kraken_97 April 15 2020 23: 49 New
              0
              In what battle were the Abrams, having forgiven the Iraqi T-55 which are half a hundred years old?
          2. Navat
            Navat April 14 2020 21: 05 New
            -5
            Quote: Chingachguk
            But why be there to understand what fighting gay men from the USA breathe? laughing For example, it is enough to remember the "smell" emitted by the sailors of Donald Cook at the sight of our drying ... And how many of them were written off to the shore after EMITATION by drying attack .... EMITATION !!! laughing laughing laughing




            I don’t want to upset you, but the story of Donald Cook and Dry is in the category of “urban legends”
            1. tagil
              tagil April 14 2020 22: 49 New
              +1
              Personally present at Donald Cook, or at Sushka?
            2. Chingachguk
              Chingachguk April 15 2020 06: 28 New
              +6
              I feel bitterly wrote this .... Well, for more details please. Was there such a thing? In an interview, Putin impudently lied when he spoke about it? So the video taken from the board of Cook himself by his captain, circled the whole world of fake? And as it was really tell, please. drinks I will listen to you with pleasure ..... belay
              1. Navat
                Navat April 15 2020 10: 18 New
                -14
                There was air hooliganism on the part of the SU-24 pilots. Since America is not at war with Russia, no one began to shoot down the SU-24. SU-24 is an old junk. Over the past 5 years, only the lazy ones didn’t hit them, and the Turks, the Americans, and the Jews ...
                But regarding the fake about Donald Cook:

                https://www.stopfake.org/ru/fejkovaya-elektronnaya-bomba-rossii/
                1. Chingachguk
                  Chingachguk April 16 2020 09: 22 New
                  +1
                  This junk completely suppressed the hibina, attached under its wing, the newest, vaunted, American Aegis system, which Donald Cook was equipped with. That is why the Americans stood in silence and pee in their pants, and having survived this shame, three dozen sailors were written off to the shore in fright. .... So do not tell tales dear ....... Where you studied, we taught!
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 09: 16 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Chingachguk
                    This junk completely crushed the new, vaunted American system of Aegis, hitched under its wing.

                    Su-24 is not equipped with Khibiny. Because all your further torrents of a penny are not worth it))
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 33 New
                -2
                Quote: Chingachguk
                Well ka for more details please. Was there such a thing?

                the only thing that was was the flyby of the American destroyer (flyby, not simulated attack - for this you can easily ride on a catapult). Everything else is bikes
                1. Chingachguk
                  Chingachguk April 16 2020 09: 33 New
                  0
                  It’s you who poison the tales .... What are you hoping for? Your wards from the USA sailors wrote about it themselves on the Internet ..... 27 just wrote off ashore from a simple flyby, the rest took psyche rehabilitation courses ..... The Pentagon officially expressed indignation and complained about the actions of the drying pilot .... This is on the Internet. What were you hoping for otherwise? The fact that there are only suckers sitting here? You are mistaken....
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 16 2020 11: 40 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Chingachguk
                    It’s you who poison the tales .... What are you hoping for? Your wards from the USA sailors wrote about it themselves on the Internet ..... 27 just wrote off ashore from a simple flyby, the rest took courses in mental rehabilitation .....

                    blessed is he who believes. Do not read the tabloid press.

                    Quote: Chingachguk
                    The Pentagon officially expressed outrage and complained about the actions of the pilot drying

                    because the pilots allowed air hooliganism.

                    Quote: Chingachguk
                    What were you hoping for otherwise? The fact that there are only suckers sitting here? You are mistaken..

                    seem to be. that is not) hang noodles for you, you hawl) Continue in the same vein ... It is clear to all normal, adequate, thinking people that stories for the messed up crew and the burned-out electronics of Donald Cook are nothing more than urry-patriotic stories)
                    1. Chingachguk
                      Chingachguk April 16 2020 11: 52 New
                      +2
                      Well yes, yes yes ..... Storytellers .... I do not understand, who are you at all? Are you really ashamed of the Americans? Well SWIM in your puddle off your shores. Why do you always go where you are not asked? It's hard to even go to the restroom without you! There is a plug in every hole!
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 16 2020 12: 11 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Chingachguk
                        Are you really ashamed of the Americans?

                        I don’t give a damn about the Americans. But for their compatriots who write such wild murk, and even completely illiterate - ashamed

                        Quote: Chingachguk
                        Why do you always go where you are not asked?

                        if you do not want to discuss with someone - do not answer. And so that you do not read at all - communicate in PM. You write to the general group - and you are still outraged
                      2. Chingachguk
                        Chingachguk April 16 2020 15: 01 New
                        -1
                        And it infuriates me that you are not telling the truth, in the same place, in the general group. If you want to continue to praise the Abrams, aircraft carriers and the US military, then write as is - who you are, where you are broadcasting from, and for what amount you are carrying this blizzard. And I apologized for spelling mistakes, I write from the phone during breaks at work, in a hurry. Quote - why do you always climb ......... was addressed to the United States and the plug in each hole was called their policy ... I understand that offending America, offending you, but I can not do anything about it ..... . laughing I’m not selling anything personal simply. hi
                      3. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 16 2020 16: 26 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Chingachguk
                        And I apologized for spelling mistakes, I write from the phone during breaks at work, in a hurry.

                        and therefore, write the same word incorrectly several times in a row? No need to treat, with your knowledge everything is extremely clear

                        I will not even comment on the rest, for bullshit)
      4. Crystal of Truth
        Crystal of Truth April 15 2020 09: 23 New
        +3
        What is EMITATION
        1. Chingachguk
          Chingachguk April 15 2020 09: 40 New
          0
          At the same time, to emit an attack on a boat (attack) did not drop bombs, did not shoot from military weapons and did not launch missiles. It simply emulated an attack .... But you yourself all perfectly understand this, why the question itself then?
          1. Yok Migarek
            Yok Migarek April 15 2020 10: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: Chingachguk
            At the same time, to emit an attack on a boat (attack) did not drop bombs, did not shoot from military weapons and did not launch missiles. It simply emulated an attack .... But you yourself all perfectly understand this, why the question itself then?

            Correct your post. Imitation is written with the letter "I".
            1. Chingachguk
              Chingachguk April 15 2020 10: 06 New
              +2
              Sorry ignoramus! Otherwise, is everything right?
              1. Yok Migarek
                Yok Migarek April 15 2020 10: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: Chingachguk
                Sorry ignoramus! Otherwise, is everything right?

                The nit-picking was just to the word, but not to the point. If I get you right.
                1. Chingachguk
                  Chingachguk April 15 2020 10: 09 New
                  +1
                  Sorry again. Most ashamed of this ridiculous mistake.
      5. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 29 New
        -2
        Quote: Chingachguk
        For example, just remember the "smell" emitted by the sailors of Donald Cook at the sight of our drying ...

        Do you still believe in this fake? belay

        Quote: Chingachguk
        after EMIT drying by attack

        you did not learn Russian at school? Imitation - that's right
    2. Grits
      Grits April 15 2020 08: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Navat
      Iroquois, how do you know about the USA? Have you been there

      Not everyone was in Antarctica. But everyone knows what she is.
  2. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 April 15 2020 12: 51 New
    -2
    Quote: Irokez
    You're right, blood brother, the USA is a beautiful wrapper of shit.

    But with the Americans only in films is familiar, right? Or on Negro Red Square .... African Americans shook hands with chewing gum ......... And at -85 they shook us with all their American soul ..... Vietnam, Kampuchea is nearby ...... When allowed us and where to look for enemies in the jungle
    1. Irokez
      Irokez April 15 2020 13: 04 New
      0
      A classmate lives there for about 20 years.
    2. Navat
      Navat April 15 2020 13: 11 New
      -1
      This is where they gave you and how?
    3. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk April 15 2020 18: 05 New
      +1
      And what did the Americans put on at 85 ohms?
  • Deck
    Deck April 14 2020 15: 20 New
    16
    God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"


    They will not meet: there are Abrams, but alma no. (only Baranets saw her)
    1. Oyo Sarkazmi
      Oyo Sarkazmi April 14 2020 16: 11 New
      -6
      Quote: Deck
      They will not meet: there are Abrams, but alma no.
      Each year, Armat arrives at 5 pieces, and Abramsov decreases. Because their production ended 20 years ago, and since then - they are only repairing it. Many - unsuccessfully repair ...
      1. YOUR
        YOUR April 14 2020 16: 35 New
        15
        Where did you get that
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        Armat arrives for 5 pieces every year

        Last year it was announced that 2 "Armat" battalions and 1 "Kurganets" battalion would be supplied to the Kantemirovsk division for military trials. A bit later, Borisov said that 10 Armats would be delivered, the T15 was out of the question. In November, Shoigu, during his trip to the plant, said that they would most likely deliver 5 tanks if they had time to do it. Did not make it.
        But even if you are right. what is 5 tanks. Two not full platoons. at the pace that you propose, to put in the troops only a regiment, it will take 20 (Twenty) years !!!!!!!!!! Outrageous pace. When they put the last tank, the first tanks of the regiment will need to be decommissioned.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 14 2020 16: 48 New
          +3
          Armata is not needed ... I repeat my point of view. Armata will remain an intermediate link .. why is it needed if it comes out like a gold car .. there are T90 and T72 b3. there is still potential for modernization .. and there is no need for mantras about the safety and comfort of the crew .. to fight at all is, in principle, harmful to health. you probably don’t know what is disinformation and why does it exist. Yes. and by the way where did you get such a write-off date.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 14 2020 19: 45 New
            +1
            Sanya hi Are you here? Well then, we'll handle it. "We will survive this trouble!"
            P.S. Do not be lost. Middle Abramsam.
        2. Chingachguk
          Chingachguk April 14 2020 17: 29 New
          -4
          Are we in a hurry to the front already? Haste is needed when catching fleas and diarrhea .....
          1. YOUR
            YOUR April 15 2020 02: 53 New
            -1
            We’re not in a hurry, but we are re-equipping the army with more modern weapons, which they don’t talk about from the fridge with an iron, they make cartoons and films.
            The launch of Su-57 production was announced on May 29, 2019. A year has passed YEAR, where at least one plane?
            1. Chingachguk
              Chingachguk April 15 2020 06: 35 New
              +1
              Technology is improving every day. For example, if you take an ordinary mob., Today if it costs $ 500, then a week later it is replaced by another one, and this one is considered obsolete and costs a penny. I think so with military equipment, it just is not stamped in a minute. It’s not a problem to fill scrap metal for a year that will be considered obsolete, but to come up with something sensible, with the possibility of improvement in the future, this is not five minutes
              1. YOUR
                YOUR April 15 2020 08: 01 New
                +1
                Those. do you need to get mosquitoes and maxims from the warehouses?
                Do you even know that every technique needs to be mastered, you need to create stocks of spare parts, ammunition, train personnel, and train technical personnel. Develop tactics for use, identify childhood diseases, those malfunctions that may arise due to improper operation. And these need not hundreds but thousands will be recruited. And not because tanks were abandoned in the 41st because clumsy mechanical drives burned the clutch or did not monitor the oil level and dviguny wedged, and the most common, nevermind diesel fuel or some kind of gasoline, they drive the same cars to tank any liquid.
                As there is in a joke - you do not need to smell this, you need to learn this.
                from and don’t explain about disu, about how if you need it in five minutes and everything will be. By the way, those who need to be taught in these 5 minutes will need to be taught and work places to be provided to them.
                1. Syroitel_nik
                  Syroitel_nik April 15 2020 19: 28 New
                  -1
                  Your questions about Armata and clarifications are very suspicious. For the purposes of the US military industry, are you collecting information for analytics?
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR April 16 2020 02: 23 New
                    -2
                    Keeping silent without reporting is considered an accomplice. Do not waste time, immediately call and phone.
              2. Oyo Sarkazmi
                Oyo Sarkazmi April 16 2020 11: 18 New
                -1
                Quote: Chingachguk
                Technology is improving every day.

                Yes, only sopromat everywhere interferes. Otherwise, Honduras would have made tanks better than Abrams and Armata. But alas. The case is beautiful - the engine does not fit. They shoved a beautiful engine - it does not fit into the railway gauge. They made the case and the engine worse, you can carry it along the railway - it suddenly turned out that only 5 cranes in the country are suitable for loading / unloading.
                Remember the recent history of American exercises in Europe? When from the USA to Germany 100 tanks were transported a month?
            2. blackice
              blackice April 15 2020 09: 19 New
              -3
              I didn’t want to get into polemics, but Chot decided to insert his 5 kopecks into this stormy dialogue.
              So about the tanks. Do not tell me why mattresses curtailed the production of abrash and are not particularly in a hurry to develop and rivet new ones?
              Do not bother. I will answer.
              As a result of the "liberation" war with Iraq, the Ping-Dostan minke whales concluded that modern iron kaputs are suitable for fighting with pygmies and other underdeveloped tribes. For countries that are armed with modern means of fighting tanks, any, even the most sophisticated iron caput, is simply an excellent goal. No more. And if there is modern aviation, then in a tank, as an offensive tool or as a means of supporting infantry, the meaning disappears altogether.
              The war in the Middle East showed that highly mobile and well-equipped groups on cross-country vehicles make more sense in these realities.
              And as military analysts say, the era of tank battles is a thing of the past.
              Draw your own conclusions, do you need Armat or Abrash or not.
              1. The comment was deleted.
                1. The comment was deleted.
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: blackice
                any, even the most super-sophisticated iron caput, is simply an excellent goal. No more. And if there is modern aviation, then in the tank, as in an offensive means or as a means of supporting infantry, the meaning disappears altogether.

                another "gravedigger" of tanks? Tanks have tried to bury a dozen times already, but they outlived all their "executioners". And they will outlive you. There is no more effective means on the battlefield than a tank.
                And from your words it is clear that you can’t imagine the role of tanks, and do not understand anything about the methods of warfare.
                1. blackice
                  blackice April 17 2020 01: 04 New
                  -2
                  Well, finally I met a military analyst !!!
                  I’m not burying tanks, but anti-tank weapons.
                  As for the use of tanks, well, give examples of tank battles of the last 30 years?
                  Even in the Arab-Israeli conflict, most of the advancing Arabs were destroyed by artillery. There is something to challenge, come on. No problem. Challenge the results of that conflict.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 17 2020 13: 44 New
                    -3
                    Quote: blackice
                    I’m not burying tanks, but anti-tank weapons.

                    aha, and it passed. At first, tanks were "written off" with the appearance of anti-tank guns, then with the appearance of missiles, later they tried to bury them with the appearance of combat helicopters, etc. Only now the tank celebrated its centenary, it is in good health and laughs at people like you "gravediggers"))
                    There is nothing comparable to a tank in terms of combining firepower, mobility and security and is unlikely to appear in the foreseeable future.

                    PS All the same, explain what are you doing here? Knowing neither military history nor technology history
                    1. blackice
                      blackice April 18 2020 04: 50 New
                      -1
                      PS All the same, explain what are you doing here? Knowing neither military history nor technology history


                      To begin with, refute my comment, then we'll see who has the best knowledge in history -
                      Even in the Arab-Israeli conflict, most of the advancing Arabs were destroyed by artillery. There is something to challenge, come on. No problem. Challenge the results of that conflict.


                      As a result of the "liberation" war with Iraq, the Ping-Dostan minke whales concluded that modern iron kaputs are suitable for fighting with pygmies and other underdeveloped tribes. For countries that are armed with modern means of fighting tanks, any, even the most sophisticated iron caput, is simply an excellent goal.

                      If you have something to refute, then refute.

                      PS The lieutenant colonel’s epaulets under the avatar of the mind do not add.
        3. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi April 14 2020 19: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: YOUR
          . Two not full platoons. at the pace that you propose, to put in the troops only a regiment, it will take 20 (TWENTY) years !!!!!!!!!! Outrageous pace.

          The service life of the tank is now about 40 years. Therefore, a gradual substitution, with licking jambs of design and assembly - is quite normal. After all, something can come out even after 10 years of operation, for example, an unsuccessful alloy for torsion bars. He suffers 10 years, and then grist at once at the whole party!
      2. kjhg
        kjhg April 14 2020 17: 21 New
        +7
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        Each year, Armat arrives at 5 pieces, and Abramsov decreases.

        If this pace continues, then in 50 years their number will be equal.
        1. Oyo Sarkazmi
          Oyo Sarkazmi April 14 2020 19: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: kjhg
          If this pace continues, then in 50 years their number will be equal.

          But the T-72, T-80 and T-90, as it were, are not noticed. And in 20 years they will also serve. Unlike the Abrams.
      3. Fmax
        Fmax April 14 2020 18: 27 New
        +2
        when there will be about 200 of them a year at least - then it will be a real tank for a big war. In the meantime, it is intended for parades and exhibitions. 5 units a year - that's 50 tanks in 10 years. By the time we have 200 armatures, the "partners" will have a MGSC with a 140mm cannon, which our armata are too keen on.
        1. blackice
          blackice April 15 2020 09: 30 New
          -1
          [quoteу] "partners" will have MGSC with 140 mm cannon [quote]
          Who ever said that tanks would have a duel?
          WOT outplayed?
          If there is a military conflict between two highly developed countries, then the tanks will be destroyed even before contact with the enemy.
          And not only tanks. Everything will be destroyed at a distance. This is not the first world war where lice were fed in trenches. Now one "Point U" can turn all the vaunted MGSC from 140 into the booty of scrap metal collectors.
      4. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 41 New
        -3
        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        and since then - they are just repairing it.

        you are very wrong. Not only renovated, but also thoroughly modernized. And also, they commission new ones, taking them off storage. Do you know how many Abrams managed to do? I will reveal a terrible secret - more than 10 thousand.

        Quote: Oo sarcasm
        are being repaired. Many - unsuccessfully repair ...

        can you give an example? Or so, only able to pat the tongue?
    2. YOUR
      YOUR April 14 2020 16: 28 New
      +5
      Naturally "Armata" will be better in its characteristics. Between them for more than 40 years. And it would be strange if it were different.
      1. really
        really April 14 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        You are too logical for this site stop
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 15 2020 22: 49 New
        -1
        Quote: YOUR
        Between them more than 40 years.

        is that you remember the Abrams version of the M1 of 1980? And where did the latest versions of M1A2 SEP V3 and M1A2 SEP V4 go?
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 16 2020 02: 31 New
          0
          Only modernized, new ones were not produced. The result of upgrades, with the same engine, with the same armor, with the same gun, the weight increased by almost 10 tons.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 16 2020 11: 42 New
            -3
            Quote: YOUR
            The result of upgrades, with the same engine, with the same armor, with the same gun, the weight increased by almost 10 tons.

            that means you don’t know anything about the changes made during the modernization process.
            Quote: YOUR
            Only modernized, new ones not released

            while this is not necessary
            1. YOUR
              YOUR April 17 2020 03: 25 New
              -1
              Well, why there is no need. I do not want to retype the same thing, look below my comment, they have several programs for the development of armored vehicles, the decommissioning of M2023 tanks and the commissioning of new armored vehicles - tanks, self-propelled guns, various armored vehicles - are scheduled for 2025 - 1. They want to completely upgrade the entire park.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 17 2020 13: 31 New
                -2
                Quote: YOUR
                they have several programs for the development of armored vehicles, the decommissioning of M2023 tanks is scheduled for 2025 - 1

                I'm afraid the deadlines are shifted. Because the modernization program for tanks was launched in the M1A2 SEP V4 version, which will arrive in time by 2025, not earlier.
                Quote: YOUR
                Well, why there is no need.

                Quote: YOUR
                They want to completely upgrade the entire park.

                I wrote about Abramsy. In the production of new tanks of this model there is no need. He should be replaced by new armored vehicles, but for now (years until 2030-35) - they will be content with the modernized Abrash. Upgraded vehicles are obtained by finalizing tanks from storage.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR April 17 2020 14: 09 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Upgraded vehicles are obtained by finalizing tanks from storage.

                  Upgraded tanks are obtained through modernization
      3. brat07
        brat07 April 16 2020 02: 48 New
        0
        Quote: YOUR
        Naturally "Armata" will be better in its characteristics. Between them for more than 40 years. And it would be strange if it were different.

        If modern types of tanks will be used in hostilities, then only in local conflicts.
        But the meeting between Almaty and Abrams on the battlefield, most likely, will not be.
        Why? Because in the event of TMV, they "will not be needed." IMHO.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 16 2020 04: 35 New
          -1
          And if there are local conflicts? Yes, even in third countries? An example of Syria, already a few skirmishes with the United States have occurred, while without firing but a dashing mischief began.
  • Hagalaz
    Hagalaz April 14 2020 15: 44 New
    +6
    That's it. Unfortunately, the trick is not even how many Armat we have, but how many people in the world will hear an American, but how many Barans. By the number of controlled media they have an undeniable advantage.
    1. Deck
      Deck April 14 2020 17: 05 New
      -3
      What is Colonel Baranets compared to the splendor of nature!
      1. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz April 14 2020 17: 47 New
        0
        You are my friend, with a sense of humor. Approved. Not sarcasm. Just after work dyuzal slightly.
  • AUL
    AUL April 14 2020 15: 56 New
    15
    An article from the series - "If an elephant and a whale fight, who will win?"
    Tired of such "research" ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 14 2020 16: 00 New
      -1
      Quote: AUL
      An article from the series - "If an elephant and a whale fight, who will win?"

      And what do you think? lol
      Tired of such "research".

      This is from a series about "British scientists"
  • eklmn
    eklmn April 14 2020 16: 44 New
    -10
    “This“ comparison ”specifically for“ Military Review ”was commented on by military expert Viktor Baranets, who is a member of the Presidium of the All-Russian organization“ Officers of Russia. According to the expert, this is an absolutely stupid comparison that comes from the “ritual American itch”.
    I suggest that we verify for ourselves whether American itching or not.

    Here is a video comparing both tanks:
    https://topcor.ru/14142-ne-v-polzu-armaty-v-seti-sravnili-stabilizaciju-orudij-tankov-posle-vystrela.html
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 14 2020 16: 49 New
      0
      Military expert: God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"
      in my opinion, it's like a dinosaur to meet ... the chances are equal.
    2. Yok Migarek
      Yok Migarek April 15 2020 10: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: eklmn
      https://topcor.ru/14142-ne-v-polzu-armaty-v-seti-sravnili-stabilizaciju-orudij-tankov-posle-vystrela.html

      The video does not show the stabilization of the weapon, but the recoil after the shot. So what if the cannon "walks" after the shot? The shell has already gone, it's done. Stabilization is important when aiming!
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 14 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Chingachguk
    Hollywood is one real battle with the deaths

    So Hollywood is an integral part of the Pentagon. It is Hollywood that can convince the floor of the world that an Indian with a bow can defeat a company of soldiers on tanks
  • Karaul15
    Karaul15 April 15 2020 05: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Chingachguk
    As I said .... Hollywood is one thing, a real battle with the deaths, it's another .....
    Oddly enough, but today Hollywood is more about Armatu. "No, we will certainly not be like the Americans, but still we will compare the ceremonial Armata with the combat Abrams, who went through several wars." The same applies to the Su-57 and F-35. The Syrians have the S-300 and Israel is already flying the F-35 and striking the areas covered by these air defenses, while the Su-57 participates in filming.
    1. Chingachguk
      Chingachguk April 15 2020 06: 58 New
      +2
      "The Syrians have S-300s and Israel is already making combat missions to F-35s and strikes at the areas covered by these air defense systems."

      In a circus, bears ride a motorcycle in a circle, have you ever seen bears on motorcycles on roads in cities? Or can you tell me when our base in Khmeimim missed at least one air strike? But it is guarded by the same complexes that you are trying to cheat .... And tell me the same in which wars the United States participated, which won? Against which countries did Abrams prove himself on the battlefield? Very interesting to listen to. And I just heard that he often breaks down from the presence of sand in the air of Iraq, and because of his great weight, he often gets stuck in the sand, then in the swamp, and so on ....
      1. Karaul15
        Karaul15 April 15 2020 08: 22 New
        -5
        Quote: Chingachguk
        In a circus, bears ride a motorcycle in a circle, have you ever seen bears on motorcycles on roads in cities? Or can you tell me when our base in Khmeimim missed at least one air strike? But it is guarded by the same complexes that you are trying to cheat .... And tell me the same in which wars the United States participated, which won? Against which countries did Abrams prove himself on the battlefield? Very interesting to listen to. And I just heard that he often breaks down from the presence of sand in the air of Iraq, and because of his great weight, he often gets stuck in the sand, then in the swamp, and so on ....
        According to Khmeimim often flies from small drones. Officially, none of the participants in the war inflicted blows on the bases of the RF Armed Forces. But the Syrian armed forces have repeatedly ironed with tomahawks and airstrikes (including with the F-35) and are now continuing. And if Russia explains that not a single strike is explained by the reluctance to use its complexes to repel attacks not on its bases, then the S-300s were transferred to the Syrians for use, with which they, so far, have only shot down the Russian plane.
        The accusation about Hollywood is simple - the F-35 and Abrams, unlike the Su-57 and the Armata, went into series and took part in hostilities. American technology demonstrates itself well, as does their training. For example, no one can carry out such an operation as the Americans carried out in Iraq. At the same time, Iraq is not even Chechnya, it is a large state and in relation to the Americans it is on the other side of the world, and not nearby. Therefore, "What is it worth adjusting the aircraft carriers bam bam bam and that's it, everyone can do that, abrams wow but" sounds ridiculous. Remind me of how the last trip of "Kuznetsov" to Syria ended? - For several dozen sorties, 2 planes sank and then Kuznetsov was again under repair for years. Therefore, it is possible to criticize the Americans, but you only need to correspond for this.
        1. blackice
          blackice April 15 2020 09: 44 New
          +2
          Another of the experienced experts.
          How old are you?
          What do you remember from the history of the war in Iraq?
          But I remember how mattress journalists posted videos of night flights of helicopters, where, after the report, they said: "All the armored vehicles of Iraq were destroyed by the coalition aircraft, without suffering a single loss."
          However, then, after the rewarding of the tankers was required, suddenly heroes appeared who, with a single shot from the Abrasha, destroyed 140 pieces of Hussein's t-10 from a distance of 72 kilometers.
          Cartoon clips of battles of 3 abrash with the elite Iraqi tank regiment appeared. And again, escaped with one scratch on the dildo loader in one of the abrash.
          Collect at least Wikipedia articles of striped generals, where everyone unanimously says that. the war was only from the air and in the cities, and marching through the desert, where the abrashs died from the abundance of dust.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 April 15 2020 12: 17 New
            -3
            where the abrashi died from the abundance of dust ..... it happened not only from dust and not even from the "seven" but from the DShK
          2. The comment was deleted.
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. The comment was deleted.
              1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Chingachguk
          Chingachguk April 16 2020 07: 40 New
          0
          And what kind of training did the Americans show in Iraq? Excuse me, but are you not talking to idiots here? Before your abrams, Iraq was ironed from the air for more than one day and razed to the ground all that could be leveled! And who in Iraq could resist the Americans? Who is your lie for? And in Syria, Mosul was completely destroyed! Together with civilians, they destroyed everything from the beginning, destroyed the entire city, and only then entered it. What is the manifestation of personnel training here?
          Your aircraft carriers today for Russia ---- cans, no more. It’s not that hard to drown, it’s hard not to get into it! Maybe the aircraft carrier will pull against spears and arrows, but he has 0 chances against Zircons, Daggers and other hypersonic missiles
          Next - your mattresses created ISIS and practically destroyed Syria and Assad, who prevented you from changing the government in Syria? Who established a no-fly zone over Syria? And with what air defense did Russia do this? And how many times did the Barmalei, led by NATO instructors, strike at the Base in Khmeimim? You lie when you say that no one shot at this base even once! This base is like a bone in the throat of those who want to change the regime in Syria and you can not do anything with it!
          So the power of Russian weapons has cooled your American appetite and no need to try to lie to people here.

          The Americans showed themselves only in vileness and cowardice when they threw napalm against the Vietnamese from the air, trying to destroy them, burning all life around, and so what? What have you achieved? After many years, the so-called war, they left Vietnam with nothing. They threw the atomic bomb at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show the Russians that they had it. How many years has America been fighting in Afghanistan with barmales? So what? Is there any sense?
          So do not tell tales about the power of the American army. Real power, as soon as they start shooting, will gather and file a lawsuit against the Pentagon for the fact that their lives were in danger !!!! Examples have already been ..... What do you call soldiers, the army? These are clowns! And the US Army is a circus Hollywood!
          1. Karaul15
            Karaul15 April 16 2020 10: 02 New
            -2
            Quote: Chingachguk
            And what kind of training did the Americans show in Iraq? Excuse me, but are you not talking to idiots here? Before your abrams, Iraq was ironed from the air for more than one day and razed to the ground all that could be leveled! And who in Iraq could resist the Americans? Who is your lie for?
            Should the Abrams go alone against everyone, without air defense, aviation, cover? Likewise, it would be foolish to bomb everything with aviation, but without the Abrams it is impossible to seize territory. Abrams acted effectively as part of the troops, they complemented each other effectively, it’s stupid to blame it. What is the same effective modern tank that operated as part of its army? There is no such.


            Quote: Chingachguk
            And in Syria, Mosul was completely destroyed! Together with civilians, they destroyed everything from the beginning, destroyed the entire city, and only then entered it. What is the manifestation of personnel training here?
            Mosul took the Iraqi armed forces.


            Quote: Chingachguk
            Your aircraft carriers today for Russia ---- cans, no more. It’s not that hard to drown, it’s hard not to get into it! Maybe the aircraft carrier will pull against spears and arrows, but he has 0 chances against Zircons, Daggers and other hypersonic missiles
            The fact that the aircraft carrier is used today for bombing land does not mean that this is its main task. Its main power is shown in the open ocean, the United States is surrounded by the ocean, and so it reveals there - when an aircraft carrier with AWACS aircraft sees much farther than an ordinary ship, and planes with anti-ship missiles from an aircraft carrier fly towards the enemy ship and shoot on it before how it will suit the launch distance along the AUG, and escort ships insure all this with air defense, etc., in extreme cases, they also have anti-ship missiles.
            The Americans adhere to a slightly different strategy in anti-ship missiles, their missiles are not over and hypersonic, but they fly very low above the water and sneak up on the ship unnoticed, the last LRASM has a stealth coverage and a range of about 1000 km. Hypersonic anti-ship missiles, for such speed, are forced to rise to a great height, where they glow on the radar like a Christmas tree and their speed is still not so high as to prevent the ABM system from reacting. These are 2 opposing concepts, that's all.


            Quote: Chingachguk
            Next - your mattresses created ISIS and practically destroyed Syria and Assad, who prevented you from changing the government in Syria? Who established a no-fly zone over Syria? And with what air defense did Russia do this? And how many times did the Barmalei, led by NATO instructors, strike at the Base in Khmeimim? You lie when you say that no one shot at this base even once! This base is like a bone in the throat of those who want to change the regime in Syria and you can not do anything with it!
            So the power of Russian weapons has cooled your American appetite and no need to try to lie to people here.
            Khmeimim was shot, but not officially, most likely, Turkish militants launch drones. And what did you want, in a fairy tale? And it flew more than once, normally so. What is a no-fly zone? Americans fly as they want over Syria and bomb anyone they want. And where did you get the idea that Assad is doing well? The war in Syria is not over yet, most likely it is at the stage of a war of attrition, so I think that Russia will not be able to survive here.


            Quote: Chingachguk
            The Americans showed themselves only in vileness and cowardice when they threw napalm against the Vietnamese from the air, trying to destroy them, burning all life around, and so what? What have you achieved? After many years, the so-called war, they left Vietnam with nothing.
            They showed heroism - harnessed themselves to South Vietnam, which was seized by the Communists of the North with the support of the PRC and the USSR. The whole war again went on the other side of the Earth and as a result of the war the Americans lost a lot of soldiers. What did not work, lost, yes. But on the other hand, South Korea was able to win back from the USSR, the PRC and the DPRK, the Koreans are grateful to them for this.



            Quote: Chingachguk
            They threw the atomic bomb at Hiroshima and Nagasaki just to show the Russians that they had it.
            They threw it, it was understood, not for this, but as revenge for Pearl Harbor, although I will not justify them in this, they certainly went too far.


            Quote: Chingachguk
            How many years has America been fighting in Afghanistan with barmales? So what? Is there any sense?
            In Afghanistan? They do not fight, but rather provide security, arm the local army, but they really do not really fight. Rather, it is not a war, but a security mission. But I can remind you that the USSR wasn’t able there either, although they had it at their side, and the Americans, again, from the other end of the earth needed to be provided with logistics.



            Quote: Chingachguk
            So do not tell tales about the power of the American army. Real power, as soon as they start shooting, will gather and file a lawsuit against the Pentagon for the fact that their lives were in danger !!!! Examples have already been ..... What do you call soldiers, the army? These are clowns! And the US Army is a circus Hollywood!
            Yes yes yes, US Army Hollywood). By the way, they, unlike the Russian Federation, have a professional army and when a soldier goes there, he is already psychologically prepared in advance for what they can send.
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 15 2020 23: 00 New
        -4
        Quote: Chingachguk
        Or can you tell me when our base in Khmeimim missed at least one air strike?

        and you want to say, according to Khmeimim never flew? There were no beaten planes and wounded? Remember at least the New Year greetings of 2018 from the barmalei

        Quote: Chingachguk
        And tell me also in what wars the US participated

        you do not know the latest history? Shame .... Then what are you doing here? Show your ignorance?

        Quote: Chingachguk
        which won?

        have won. Because they are (States). Russian would also be nice to know.
        Everything since the end of World War II, except for Korea and Vietnam.

        Quote: Chingachguk
        I just heard that it often breaks

        I recommend not to collect rumors, but to read serious literature. Unless, of course, you are able to perceive it
        1. Liam
          Liam April 15 2020 23: 05 New
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          except Korea

          Well, at least they did not lose Korean.
          1. blackice
            blackice April 17 2020 01: 29 New
            -2
            And at least not won
        2. Chingachguk
          Chingachguk April 16 2020 11: 40 New
          0
          What nonsense are you carrying .... Have you won the war with the quick-eyed? Who else? Who, and when, attacked the United States? Who declared war on mattresses? They won one war in their 200 years of existence - they poisoned the Indians and occupied their territory. In the Great Patriotic War, they waited for three years, they did not know which side to take because they did not know who would win ... The USA helped the USSR for gold for three years and only when it became clear who would win, they opened a second front to share the jackpot after the victory on a par with the USSR ...... The whole world knows about "decency" of the USA! US only with Indians and the like to fight! North Korea and the one who put mattresses in the stall do not tell people about these fighting gays in diapers.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 16 2020 12: 16 New
            -4
            Quote: Chingachguk
            Won the quick-eyed war? Who else?

            then you didn’t learn history, like Russian

            Quote: Chingachguk
            Who in general and when attacked the USA?

            we are not talking about who attacked the United States, and with whom the States fought. It seems that you do not understand the meaning.

            Quote: Chingachguk
            In the Great Patriotic War

            in the second world.

            Quote: Chingachguk
            didn’t know whose side to stand because they didn’t know who would win

            in fact, from the very first days of the war, the United States helped Britain and France, and when the USSR entered the war, that too. In fact, the States fought against Germany (at sea) even before they officially entered the war in December 41st. Need to know the story)

            Quote: Chingachguk
            don't make people laugh

            that's it. Do not make laugh, and do not disgrace)
            1. blackice
              blackice April 17 2020 01: 36 New
              -2
              in fact, from the very first days of the war, the United States helped Britain and France, and when the USSR entered the war, that too. In fact, the States fought against Germany (at sea) even before they officially entered the war in December 41st. Need to know the story)


              Actually, the United States sponsored Hitler. No, do not remember?
              Help England-France in the form of bomber aircraft? This is so American !!!
              USSR help for gold?
              My friend, this is actually a trade.
              Take the trouble and you will learn Russian and find out for yourself the concept of the word help.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 17 2020 13: 38 New
                -3
                Quote: blackice
                Help England-France in the form of bomber aircraft?

                in the form of a lend-lease. The American Navy provided convoy escort (it was then that the United States first entered battle with German sailors in the spring of 1941)

                Quote: blackice
                USSR help for gold?

                Lend-Lease was free (bother to find out what kind of thing before opening your mouth). For gold went products not included in the lists of supplies

                Quote: blackice
                Bother you too

                only after you, sir) Another illiterate ... where did you get so much ???
                1. blackice
                  blackice April 18 2020 04: 53 New
                  -1
                  Lend-Lease was free (bother to find out what kind of thing before opening your mouth). For gold went products not included in the lists of supplies

                  Surely!!!
                  Just recall, for what did the USSR send gold to the USA?
                  Maybe not everything was free?
                2. blackice
                  blackice April 18 2020 04: 55 New
                  -1
                  Another illiterate ... where are you so many ???

                  Once again, the lieutenant colonel’s epaulettes under the avatar do not add mind, clever girl.
                3. The comment was deleted.
                4. blackice
                  blackice April 18 2020 05: 03 New
                  -1
                  Lend-Lease was free (bother to find out what kind of thing before opening your mouth). For gold went products not included in the lists of supplies

                  What kind of help is this, here is paid, is it free?
                  Well and all the same, can trading gold be considered as help?

                  Another illiterate ... where are you so many ???

                  Once again, the lieutenant colonel’s epaulettes under the avatar do not add mind, clever girl.
                  Your whole polemic comes down to half arguments. So understand yourself and your knowledge, then blame others for the lack of knowledge.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 09: 09 New
                    -3
                    Quote: blackice
                    What kind of help is this, here is paid, is it free?

                    First, read the text of the Lend-Lease Act. It says in black and white that delivered products that were destroyed or lost during the war were not payable. Payment (or return) was subject to what could be used after the war. Payment was made after the war. Billions of products were delivered to the USSR, for which the Union did not pay a cent.

                    Secondly, the Union was included in the Lend-Lease program only in 1942. Until that moment, Moscow paid for deliveries upon delivery (in foreign currency, as well as in gold, which was sold in order to receive foreign currency). Also, the Union paid for the products that were ordered during the war, manufactured or were in production, but delivered after its completion.

                    You have a mess in your head, confusing one with the other.

                    Quote: blackice
                    can trading be considered help

                    can. And it is necessary. If Washington didn’t want to sell something, it wouldn’t sell it. Of course, people are fighting, but to fight well-fed and with weapons is somehow more convenient than hungry, with a stick and for two, isn’t it?
                    1. blackice
                      blackice April 19 2020 02: 33 New
                      -1
                      can. And it is necessary. If Washington didn’t want to sell something, it wouldn’t sell it. Of course, people are fighting, but to fight well-fed and with weapons is somehow more convenient than hungry, with a stick and for two, isn’t it?

                      So, without any mess in your head, take the trouble first, open an explanatory dictionary and find out what help is (Syria as an example).
                      Secondly, Washington began to help only in view of the fact that, having defeated the USSR, Germany and allied Japan were guaranteed to hang striped stripes. By the way, Japan by that time coped well with this itself.
                      As for Lend-Lease, I do not need to explain. Do not judge people by yourself, huh?
        3. Karaul15
          Karaul15 April 17 2020 08: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Everything since the end of World War II, except for Korea and Vietnam.
          In Korea, there was a pretty convincing victory, the attempt of the USSR and China to break the established order failed, the Americans landed and drove the Soviets back with the Chinese back to the 38th parallel, with the operation being carried out on the other side of the ocean, while the Chinese and the USSR were nearby.
  • Crystal of Truth
    Crystal of Truth April 15 2020 09: 20 New
    +4
    And where did Armata show herself in real battle?)
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 15 2020 10: 04 New
    0
    They will never meet for the arm
  • gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront April 14 2020 14: 27 New
    17
    Despite the foreign origin - the tank, ballet and Winnie the Pooh, these are truly Russian phenomena.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 15: 00 New
      +3
      Then in the subject, guess the riddle:
      Born in England, matured in Brazil and died in Russia? laughing
      (football))))
      1. olegactor
        olegactor April 14 2020 15: 15 New
        +6
        Then in the subject, guess the riddle:
        Born in England, matured in Brazil and died in Russia? laughing
        (football))))


        it's a ball in the tank ..... are mattresses really so bad ...... and they play football even worse than ours
    2. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 14 2020 22: 42 New
      0
      Do not forget the elephants?
  • Mastodon
    Mastodon April 14 2020 14: 32 New
    +1
    God forbid the American “Abrams” to meet our “Armata” in the opposite direction.

    The same thing about fighters .. always evade contact ..
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 14 2020 22: 43 New
      -6
      Deir ez-Zor decided not to shy away. One of the parties said that "they are not there," sort of.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 14 2020 14: 32 New
    +1
    What Abrams ...?
    The Americans and he would not have been without the technical support of the Germans.
    There the Germans designed the entire chassis.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 14 2020 16: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: Doccor18
      There the Germans designed the entire chassis.

      and the Rhinemetal cannon. but the Negro loader is American ... yes.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 14 2020 17: 07 New
        +2
        nimble grandfather .. while I type he is already posting ..
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather April 14 2020 17: 52 New
          +3
          Duc experience .. "sparrow" .. experience ... lope years, lope winters ... we are with you and with the "honest company", mulberries booted heels years ago, until "dry law" was not introduced! wink"Gazilla" is not alive?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 14 2020 18: 03 New
            +2
            gazilla died .. I replaced her with a German trophy. look longing here .. drinks drinks
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather April 14 2020 18: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              gazilla died .. I replaced her with a German trophy. look longing here .. drinks drinks

              blessed memory of "gazilla" ... and then yes ... melancholy ... no not so: TOSKA ... !!! drinks
    2. vorobey
      vorobey April 14 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      There the Germans designed the entire chassis.

      the gun is also a recycled rheinmetal
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 15 2020 23: 03 New
      -2
      Quote: Doccor18
      The Americans and he would not have been without the technical support of the Germans.

      developments on MVT-70 were used by both sides
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 14 2020 14: 32 New
    +6
    Competition without rules.
    The indicator that the Yankees are forced to resort completely to gangster methods to hinder the sales of our military equipment, says a lot. It is a fact.
    The criteria for evaluating military systems have always been, there is a battle!
    The evaluation criterion is price, efficiency, quality, there is trade!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 14 2020 14: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      The criteria for evaluating military systems have always been, there is a battle!

      So if the war does not threaten, the choice of weapons ceases to have clear criteria. Here are the Indians, for example, they gathered such a hodgepodge from everything ... if there is a war, the logistics of supply for all this is scary to imagine ...
      1. demo
        demo April 14 2020 14: 44 New
        +2
        And with whom the Indians, in the future, can fight?
        First of all, with Pakistan.
        In the second with China.
        So far, everything is quiet enough.
        Though not peaceful.
        That's when the fried rooster pecks (God forbid), then we'll see.
        Perhaps this "logistics" did not rest against them.
        Red button and arrived.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 April 14 2020 14: 45 New
        +4
        I have a friend who served as a supply officer in the army .... to listen to him, so everything in the army is held up to such !!!
        On the other hand, his memory can still be envied, remember this nomenclature zaum, br r p.
        I think in India the same cadres should serve, relying only on computers, at first lose.
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 14 2020 14: 52 New
        +2
        Mentality is a terrible thing. People like diversity, all kinds of variety. What are you going to do here? laughing
    2. knn54
      knn54 April 14 2020 15: 32 New
      0
      Viktor, I agree. "Abrams" was created for local, lightning-fast wars. In open battle, for serious battles, it will not pull against the T-90.
      As for the "Armata". The Americans are also moving forward, and it will be difficult to say what will be in a few years.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 14 2020 15: 44 New
        +1
        If employment is deeper in history, "Abrams" were made to confront the "tank armada" of the eastern bloc! Armadas really were, tanks of the English Channel too.
        Powerful anti-tank firing, mobile point. With mobility, he doesn’t have ah, but the frontal projection is protected, God forbid everyone.
        In the conditions of the "partisan war", as well as for the storming of cities, he was not considered as an argument, never in any way. It has now been proven, many times .... but the Yankees have nothing else. Costs of the military doctrine of previous years. soldier
        1. knn54
          knn54 April 14 2020 17: 13 New
          +2
          Did the "Tigers" help the Germans a lot? If instead of "cats" they made more T-4s, then we (T-34, and KV) would obviously have more headaches.
          "Abrams" is a legend. And the Yankes use this. By the way, ALL tanks sold abroad were bought with US loans.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 14 2020 17: 59 New
            +1
            Against the Fritz, from a certain moment, the rush and loss of the pace of construction of military equipment played.
            What would happen if ... it's a fantasy theme. Everything happened and ended with our victory!
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha April 14 2020 14: 33 New
    +7
    Already how many times he said, there is a war, including information. And we all just clumsily clumsily. We must play the lead, use all the opportunities to discredit Western weapons, lifestyles, values. To write everything that comes into your head, the main thing is that the western man in the street can hear, read and see it. That would be in his head, doubt gradually arose and confidence in his superiority was lost.
    That is exactly how they act now with our information space.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 April 14 2020 14: 33 New
    11
    And how will they meet ?? Did someone Abrams let May 9 on Red Square ??
  • Azazelo
    Azazelo April 14 2020 14: 38 New
    +2
    If you hadn’t squandered from Russian-made tanks, you would have come to the tank biathlon a long time ago and would have wiped everyone’s nose ..... The risk is too great to guess. And the price of the issue is great. So all that remains is to PR in movie media and computer games.
    1. Uno uno
      Uno uno April 14 2020 14: 50 New
      +2
      We’d come to a tank biathlon long ago and wipe everyone’s nose

      What kind of nonsense? How can tanks of different weight categories compete in races?
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy April 14 2020 15: 49 New
        -1
        So the engine is more powerful than the tracks wider and farther (no one forbids it seems) In short, let’s come up with something to use, so to speak, the power of the Silicon Valley processors. Moreover, it’s better to stabilize - it’s already a head start)
      2. Finn
        Finn April 14 2020 18: 01 New
        0
        No, they misplaced Azazello. They first started comparing tanks that cannot compete in tank biathlon.
    2. mvg
      mvg April 14 2020 15: 25 New
      -2
      If you hadn’t scattered from Russian-made tanks

      what, and there are examples? You can offhand, starting with the Second World War.
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 15 2020 23: 07 New
      -3
      Quote: Azazelo
      If you hadn’t squandered from Russian-made tanks, you would have come to the tank biathlon a long time ago and would have wiped everyone’s nose ..... But the risk is too high

      these are just your dreams. They have their own tank games. Only there, the emphasis is not on pokatushki, but on target defeat and maintenance of equipment. And the way they shoot at the tank biathlon suggests that. that our tanks and crews would have a hard time playing them.
  • Rambam
    Rambam April 14 2020 14: 43 New
    +8
    And what is Armata already in the series?
    1. kot423
      kot423 April 14 2020 14: 51 New
      -10
      And why did the abrams get better?
      1. Rambam
        Rambam April 14 2020 14: 52 New
        0
        Is he worse?
        1. kot423
          kot423 April 14 2020 14: 54 New
          0
          This is a question to the one who filmed the "Western video", having found at least something that is "better" in Abrams.
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. ROSS_51
              ROSS_51 April 14 2020 16: 02 New
              +3
              Quote: Rambam
              Abrams is better at everything

              Especially in the concept is a large barn sheathed with armor ... and only from the front.
            2. awdrgy
              awdrgy April 14 2020 16: 15 New
              +1
              "Abrams is better in everything" The main thing in it is not obs-Xia, otherwise the latch on the lead panties will jam and all-goodbye combat effectiveness
        2. mole
          mole April 14 2020 16: 05 New
          +1
          Its shirt is closer to the body.
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 April 14 2020 14: 52 New
        +2
        Better than nothing .. And he didn’t, but there is ..
    2. awdrgy
      awdrgy April 14 2020 16: 09 New
      -1
      Actually, yes, but while underground warehouses are clogged up instead of T10 x, they drive somewhere around a dozen a day. At the same time, several hundred T10 m are left just in case (what question is such an answer))
  • Altona
    Altona April 14 2020 14: 46 New
    +2
    Is the US Army Command dreaming of new oncoming tank battles? Want to repeat the Battle of Kursk? Why such fantasies about "our tank is more powerful"? Abrams and other western tanks were made more like anti-tank SPGs - a powerful forehead and a weak rear with sides. In addition, powerful systems for detecting and controlling the battle, constant contact with reconnaissance means. Any technique is knocked out, broken and burned. Abrams is no exception in this case. In addition, the tactics of its use are important for any technique.
  • boss
    boss April 14 2020 14: 51 New
    +3
    Armata, a much newer development, so it simply must be better.
    And where would the armata scare the abrams, I wonder?
    At a parade or training?
    In Syria, Iraq and Turkey, how many Abrams?
    Are there any aromas?
    How many abrams are released?
    Is there at least a hundred valves?
    Or will it be?
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 April 14 2020 14: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: patron
      Are there any aromas?

      "Aromas" there, more than enough ... lol
    2. Machete
      Machete April 14 2020 14: 59 New
      +4
      In my opinion, it has long been clear to everyone that Armata is a platform for developing the latest weapons. There will be 100 - 200 pieces in the end, no more.
      To cover the needs of defense, all modifications are enough for the eyes of the T90.
      Not a single NATO tank is stronger than it. Our military also understands this. And no one will ruin the budgets for the production of thousands of expensive Armat. It’s time to understand this already.
      1. Uno uno
        Uno uno April 14 2020 15: 24 New
        -1
        And no one will ruin the budgets for the production of thousands of expensive Armat.

        Do you yourself believe in this nonsense?
        It turns out like this. According to "respected experts" Armata completely surpasses and destroys Abrams. But they don't want to buy it in large quantities because it is too expensive. But at the same time, Armata is still decently cheaper than Abrams, whom it allegedly completely surpasses.

        Armate's verdict is one - the price does not match the quality.
      2. Oleg Zorin
        Oleg Zorin April 15 2020 13: 25 New
        -2
        It would be so good for the "experts" -patriots to understand this and stop balaboling
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 14 2020 14: 55 New
    +3
    They have not yet seen our tank in action, nor have they yet seen how it shoots on the move.

    I would love to see it too.
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 14 2020 14: 59 New
    -8
    And yet you should not underestimate the enemy. All Soviet weapons, especially air defense systems, were defeated in Syria in 1982, Libya in 1986, and Iraq in 1990-2003. ....
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 14 2020 16: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Talgat 148
      All Soviet weapons, especially air defense systems, were defeated in Syria in 1982, Libya in 1986, and Iraq in 1990-2003. ....

      We have a fighter on guard at the KTurkVO (it was possible to shoot without straining while the troops were in the DRA) fired once — the capsule slammed, there wasn’t a shot, a bullet in the barrel, he jerked, shot again, again there wasn’t a cotton shot. Again, he jerked off the shot ... the vault is bloated ...
      To the question, didn’t you understand that there were two bullets left in the barrel? !!!!!!
      - And I thought a shot would push them out and that's it .....
      This is the question - about as air defense calculations in the countries you specify
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 14 2020 18: 34 New
        -4
        But they were taught qualitatively!
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 14 2020 20: 11 New
          +6
          They taught high-quality, no one argues with this !!!!
          Just when the calculation during the day several times throws everything and begins to pray, and figs would be with those flyers ...
          And I didn’t see Arabs at the same time, but I talked a lot with Arabs ...
          The fighter described above among them would be an exemplary benchmark of a military man - such among them was nonsense
          1. Talgat 148
            Talgat 148 April 14 2020 20: 15 New
            -4
            And now the sky of Syria is sieve! The Israelis both bombed and bombed, did not bring down Russian air defense systems.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey April 14 2020 18: 48 New
      -2
      Well, yes, yes, yes .. shot down Israeli pilots 80 x tell it ...

      A photograph appeared on the web where you can see that the US military is using Russian-made Pantsir-S air defense missile defense systems to protect its base in Iraq from Iranian missiles.
      Source: https://discover24.ru/2020/04/ssha-ispolzuyut-rossiyskiy-zrpk-pantsir-s-dlya-zaschity-svoey-bazy-ot-raket-irana/
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 April 14 2020 19: 05 New
        -1
        This is Volcano-Balance, what kind of carapace to you.
        1. Andrey Komkov
          Andrey Komkov April 16 2020 08: 12 New
          0
          Oh oh But according to the lateral shadow from the sun, something this American cuttlefish at their base is a little like Phalanx. Especially if you compare it with this
  • Threaded screw
    Threaded screw April 14 2020 15: 00 New
    +1
    Military expert: God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"
    If only the Americans are invited to the parade.
  • Uno uno
    Uno uno April 14 2020 15: 01 New
    +3
    God forbid the American “Abrams” to meet our “Armata” in the opposite direction.

    Wah how much pathos. And if you meet, then what will happen?
    Borisov recently noticed that there is no great need for armature, because T-72 tanks have not exhausted their potential.
    That is, the "killer" of the Abrams, Leopards and Leclercs should not be bought in large quantities because the tanks are still of Soviet design are good enough? What lynx are these fairy tales designed for? lol
    1. Aag
      Aag April 14 2020 15: 18 New
      0
      Let's argue about the taste of coconuts with those who ate them.
      There are quite a few "tankers" on the forum. And Abrams are represented, at least comparatively (T-72, T-90). With Armata ... only hypothetically?
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 April 14 2020 15: 05 New
    +3
    Military expert: God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"

    God forbid, to see the T-14 in the army. And not a piece in the court units. Otherwise, they can meet with "Abrams" only on Red Square.
  • Maas
    Maas April 14 2020 15: 23 New
    +6
    There are such "experts" on both sides that it would be better without such experts.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 14 2020 15: 37 New
    +5
    God forbid the American “Abrams” to meet our “Armata” in the opposite direction.

    And tell the uninformed, how many Abrams tanks are currently in Europe, and how many Armata tanks are in service with our tank units located in the European part of Russia?
  • Horon
    Horon April 14 2020 15: 38 New
    +4
    The only known drawback of Armat tanks today is their lack in the army (sorry for the tautology). What can we talk about now if in parts they are actually not there. At the same time, what difference does the momentum of a shot in a tank go out? There are parameters of accuracy, rate of fire (rate of fire), caliber, selection of available ammunition, stabilization system, guidance system and, finally, intelligent target tracking with the ability to calculate a ballistic system for hitting a target while moving a tank and a target (Armata has this option or not - for example, I do not know).
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 14 2020 15: 46 New
    +3
    At the very least, the gun and BOPS and optics and data exchange in the group, at least, are not inferior to ARMATE ...... and the quantity exceeds.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 15 2020 12: 42 New
      -1
      , at least, they are not inferior to ARMATE ..... but you forgot to mention that there is no KUV on the abre from the word at all, to remind you that KUV can hit a target for 5 km and for sure. but I am silent about the land mine.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 15 2020 12: 45 New
        0
        There are technologies for launching through the barrel of ATGM. Jews sell it and compete with us with might and main. Landmines began to enter the arsenal of NATO ... there are no inaccessible technologies for them here.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 15 2020 15: 04 New
          -1
          There are technologies for launching an ATGM through the barrel. ......... if I mean LHAT, and our conversation is about Abra, then I dare to upset you. it does not fit into the ammo rack, therefore it is necessary to indicate its placement. and although the tower at Abra is huge, there is simply no room for the "left" ammunition, exactly like in the T-72B3 and T-90 you can fill the whole thing with Invars in the Arma carousel, the next moment on LKHAT, he has AGSN, which implies laser illumination and directionality to the sun, and is also subject to all kinds of ESOP devices such as Shtora and Lipa (perhaps there are even newer ones), but these are quite enough, as regards the price of a shot, then LHAT has it in the region of 160-200 thousand green bahli. KUV has a reflex of almost all SDs in the area from 25-35 thousand green bahli, that is, feel the difference in price-efficiency ...
          The landmines began to enter the arsenal of NATO ........ Rather, I understood, yes, that it was in the Abrams kit, but the only landmine of NATO for 120 smoothbore has a combined circuit of 12 kg of the projectile itself, 5 kg for the cumulative and actually fragmentation the high-explosive part of 7 kg ...... is not thick compared to our OF-36 at 24 kg, and it should be understood that to increase the power of 120 mm HE shells of NATO there are simply no opportunities because of the loading, there’s already a limit, a unitary shot to 30 kg I don’t know, did you work as a loader to understand what it is ???
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 16 2020 09: 46 New
            +1
            There is technology and, if necessary, it will be used on Abrams .... Initially, ABRAMS was a PT tool, therefore there were no HE shells, now they appear with a programmable fuse as well. We should also draw your attention to the quality of sights and thermal imagers and their best quality, in comparison with our samples. There are also criticisms of the range of a direct shot on the European theater of operations about 2-3 km actual. Which equalizes the situation with PT shooting.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 08: 38 New
              -1
              The technology is there, and if necessary, it will be used on the Abrams ....... can you repeat it? LHAT does not fit into the ammunition rack, if you "push apart" the ammunition rack, then the body of the turret niche must be increased and somehow armored. that is, this is still an additional tone 5. about the hull ammunition rack (the one to the right of the mechanized drive) there can be no question of expansion at all, and you can also recall that the latest versions of Abra already gained almost 70 tons, ... isn't it too much .. so soon Mouse will be resting in bulk. we'll talk about a land mine later
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 17 2020 09: 48 New
                +1
                For the KAZ system, there was also no place ... set. Shooting a rocket through the barrel is apparently not a vital necessity for them. Enough of other measures of influence. That's what I mean.
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 17 2020 14: 06 New
                -2
                Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                LHAT does not crawl into the combat unit

                it’s even climbing) On the Merkava, the LAHATs are located in a standard combat station (I’ll tell you a secret - they created the missiles for use from a tank gun, and then they began to hang them on helicopters and put on other armored vehicles)
                but he himself)


                so your reasoning, alas, scattered to smithereens)
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 17: 22 New
                  -1
                  so your reasoning, alas, scattered to the smithereens) ....... this is your reasoning empty as a vacuum. in terms of ammunition can be placed anywhere. .left on bunks in the stern. there is no place in Abra
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 17 2020 17: 36 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    there is no place in Abra

                    where did it go then? Where are all his 42 shots located? Or have you forbidden LAHAT to post there?

                    If anything (we learn materiel), the dimensions of LAHAT are comparable to a 105 mm shot (the missile can be used with a 105 mm M68 gun), and it flies into the ammunition stack of 120 mm shots just like that.
                    For example, the length of a shot with BPS M829A1 is 984 mm, for LAHAT - 975 mm.
                    No need to write about what you have no idea
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 17: 58 New
                      -1
                      If anything (we learn materiel), the dimensions of LAHAT are comparable to a 105 mm shot (the missile can be used with a 105 mm M68 cannon), and it flies into the ammunition stack of 120 mm shots just like that ........ along the way Someone is not at odds with the materiel. ...... 105 mm and 120 .... what are they (LHATS) like bottles in the mound? No, you need specialized equipment for the shot. with KUV Reflex everything is easier and streamlined
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 18: 06 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        105 mm and 120 .... what are they (LHATS) like bottles in a mound?

                        so it turned out that you don’t know the materiel) The LAHAT version for use with 120-mm guns has a container (such as a dropable BOPS pan) that flies from it after a shot.
                      2. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 18: 14 New
                        -1
                        use with 120 mm guns has a container .... that is, it turned out. no containers no shot ..... WONDERFUL. personally it suits me. now you can talk about landmines
                      3. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 18: 19 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                        GREAT

                        Yes, it’s great that you do not deny the availability of LAHAT TOUR. This shatters the misconceptions of many (including yours) that the use of TOURs is an exceptional quality of Russian (Soviet) tanks)
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 14: 08 New
        -2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        the next moment on LHAT, he has an AGSN which implies laser illumination

        if cho, then TUR Reflex control is carried out in a semi-automatic mode by a laser beam

        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        I dare to upset you. he doesn’t climb into the combat pack

        I already wrote about "does not fit" just above)
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 17: 31 New
          +1
          if Cho, then the TUR Reflex control is carried out in a semi-automatic mode according to the laser beam .... not along the beam but in the laser beam oberation cone, that is, there is no homing head in the KUV Reflex, there is only a photodetector, or you need to tell how to dial in the search engine video of how the Cornets shag Abra and Leo-2 (and they will cheer up everything), and the Cornets use the same guidance system, in LHAT everything is different. and everything is complicated and expensive, and if it is difficult to cheat the KUV Reflex SOEV, it’s rather impossible. then LHAT is easy in view of the fact that the infrared seeker is guided exclusively by the reflected beam ......
          and not what did the woodpecker show me with a shell near the breech. Yes, and we are not talking about merkava and about abra
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 17 2020 17: 58 New
            -2
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            in LHAT everything is different. and everything is complicated and expensive

            everything is simple in LAHAT - you just need to highlight the target with a laser, the rocket will do the rest itself. Moreover, you can highlight from another tank, from a helicopter, from an UAV.


            And given that the rocket attacks from above, the KAZ is likely to be powerless (however, it is not available on domestic production tanks), as well as very thin roof armor, the defeat of the tank will be guaranteed.

            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            and not what do woodpeckers show me with a shell

            in the photo - loading LAHAT


            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            Yes, and we are not talking about merkava and about abra

            LAHAT can be stacked in the same way as other shells. Therefore, had there been a TOUR data management system on Abrams, there would have been no problems with their placement.
            How did not arise on Leopard 2
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 18: 08 New
              -1
              everything is simple in LAHAT - you just need to highlight the target with a laser, the rocket will do the rest itself ... with ESR, it won’t do anything..views about it just before e ...... again in Russian in white. In order to place the Abhra LHAT (exactly like Leo-2) in the combat station, put on special equipment, this is not required in the T-72-B and T-90, you can fill the whole carousel with Invars
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 17 2020 18: 22 New
                -2
                Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                put special equipment in the combat station

                You can clearly explain why, if the shot from the TOUR is the same in size as the shot from the BOPS, WHICH WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS STAYS IN A NON-STANDARD BEDROOM? Logic refused, since you don’t know the materiel?
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 17 2020 18: 24 New
                -2
                Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                with ESA, she will not do anything

                nonsense) COEC type Curtains against modern ATGMs are ineffective. Proof of this - Curtain spotlights removed from the T-90
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 19: 18 New
                  0
                  nonsense) KOEP type Curtains against modern ATGMs are ineffective ..... The curtain is very effective against IR systems, another thing is that the Cornets spread around the world, and at the expense of spotlights from the T-90 .... I don’t know where you got such infa from . but my first-born mechvod recently received the T-72B3. Duc Blind stands on them, but the bolts on the optics Pine remained
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 17 2020 19: 58 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    Curtain is very effective against IR systems

                    Another nonsense. COEP created to interfere with laser guidance systems
                    Laser and IR GOS are two different things.

                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    and at the expense of the searchlights with T-90 .... I don’t know where you got such infa

                    How many years have you spent in a coma? Spotlights Curtains are no longer put on the T-90
                    see pictures - T-90A and T-90M, T-90MS, for example




                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    but my first-born mechvod recently received the T-72B3. Duc Curtain stands on them

                    on the T-72 Curtains have never been (and no).

                    PS may be enough disgrace, since the topic is not yours?
                  2. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 04: 02 New
                    -1
                    Laser and IR GOS are different things ........ no. not different but one field of acromia berry systems in the lidar, but it’s hard for you to master along the way ....
                    Searchlights Curtains have not been installed on the T-90 for a long time ...... they are installed, the searchlights are simply more compact than steel in the type of ESA of aviation Linden .....
                    on the T-72 Curtains there never was (and no) .... never when I never thought that a person who received military equipment knows more about it than you and your wiki
                    maybe enough to be dishonored, since the topic is not yours? .... well, don’t be dishonored
                  3. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 08: 35 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    not different but one field of berries

                    yeah, all GOS - of one berry field)) They only work in different ways, and they need to be interfered with differently. There is an IR (with guidance on the thermal trail) GOS, there are ultraviolet GOS. The curtain only interferes with laser-guided ATGMs. Spike, for example, is not a hindrance. (And he has precisely an infrared head)

                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    Floodlights Curtains have not been installed on the T-90 for a long time ...... they are installed, floodlights are simply more compact than steel in the type of ESA of aviation Linden

                    wassat I look in the book - I see a fig? They even showed you a photo, as a small one)) First, the curtains of the Curtains were no longer put on export tanks (Indian T-90S Bishma), then they were removed on Russian tanks as well. From the curtains on the tank there were only laser radiation sensors. Apparently, you take them for a reduced searchlight? lol fool
                    The sensors in the photo are highlighted in color:


                    Instead of floodlights, additional DZ blocks are installed. On Armata, by the way, there are no spotlights either))

                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    on the T-72 Curtain there never was (and no) .... never when I didn’t think that the person who received the military equipment knows more about it

                    there are two options:
                    a) either does not know
                    b) either you misunderstood him
                    choose what you like) But the fact remains - there are no searchlights on the modernized T-90s, but they never were on the T-72 (only two tanks were equipped with the Shtora - the T-90A and T-80UK)
                  4. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 09: 44 New
                    -1
                    There are no modernized T-90s, but they never were on the T-72 ... Wipe your eyes and take a closer look at what Pine stands for optics, doesn’t it remind of?
                  5. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 11: 12 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    wipe your eyes and take a closer look at what the optics of Pine stand

                    I recommend that you do this, and also oversleep and read at least something from the serious literature on tanks or chat with really knowledgeable people.

                    Behind Pine on T-72B3 there is a headlight and a wind sensor (included in the MSA). in front of him is an optical doubler sight and another headlight.


                    blatant ignorance of materiel

                    listen to good advice - finish shame
                  6. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 14: 41 New
                    -1
                    listen to good advice - finish the shame ..... well, why then you climb into a shame. what I pointed out in your pictures is the ESRP
                  7. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 15: 07 New
                    -2
                    what did you indicate in my pictures, sick? In addition to the photo lamp Linden
                    on the Mi-24 did not show anything.
                    Well, let's see what your turbid consciousness dreamed of on the T-72B3 tower? Post a photo indicating the location (is the arrow in the photo able to apply?), We’ll see what you take for ESR.

                    Although, given the full drain on all previous issues, nothing sane from you to wait does not have to.
                  8. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 15: 12 New
                    -1
                    you don’t have to expect anything from you ..... well, at least you still said about Lipa that YES. Soep and very similar to tanks in size. Yes, and I want to remind you that on the bar is not only a wind DIRECTION sensor. and also a barometer and a humidity and temperature sensor, good luck in your knowledge
                  9. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 April 18 2020 15: 18 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    Well, at least about Lipa

                    I am well aware that the ESAs are mounted on helicopters, but we were not talking about turntables, but a specific tank - the T-72B3.

                    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                    good luck in your knowledge

                    Use your own advice) It will be more useful to you.
                    Well, if you go away from the topic, then your next drain is counted)
                  10. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 April 18 2020 15: 25 New
                    -1
                    Well, if you go away from the topic, then your next drain is counted) .... what are you completely oblique? Literally Russian in white your own "SOEP is very similar on tanks in size. And I want you" .... why are you Are they teaching there in Fort Knox? did he put on the crown?
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 17 2020 14: 02 New
    -2
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    there is no KUVA on abre

    no, because it’s not necessary. And not because they cannot (Sheridan and Merkava (on which the variation of the Abrams cannon) send you greetings)

    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    KUV you can hit the target for 5 km

    provided that:
    a) allows the terrain (as a rule, the range of visibility is noticeably less than those
    b) the operator has straight arms
    c) guidance devices can detect and reliably identify the target at such a range
    condition a + b is very rare
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 17: 42 New
      0
      condition a + b is very rare ... you have nonsense along the way .....
      according to A ..... there is such a concept in military affairs as a bridgehead, it is usually a year-old height, and the snake opens ....
      according to B .... and which hands can be used to hold the brand for 20 seconds? although in KUV Reflex this is not even necessary
      according to B .... this is already a question for the applicant of the supplies of KUV ... or rather, for Instrument-Making, and Yong claims that 99 percent of a hundred of his products will hit the target ... he didn’t lie along the way. for the Cornet lays down fine
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 18: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        there is such a concept in military affairs as a bridgehead, it is usually a consecutive height

        Yeah, you have tanks dug in Everest, and do not move anywhere. Do not attack. They are waiting for the MLRS volley to arrive or turntables to strike) famously)) If anything, then Soviet tanks just had to conduct active maneuvering operations. And the thick carcasses of Abrams and Leopards - to sit in ambush.

        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        according to B .... and which hands can be used to hold the brand for 20 seconds?

        Do you think that through a tank sight at a distance of 5 km, but on a moving target it is very simple? Are you playing computer games?
        For something to work out, you need training, and most importantly - regular training. I didn’t hear that Reflex was often shot. And when they fired, they often could not hit the target. Therefore, until now, the main base of the tank of our tanks is the OFS and some BOPS

        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        by B .... this is already a question for the applicant for the supply of CWM

        What does the KUV ??? We are talking about tank monitoring and aiming devices (sights, thermal imagers). On the quality of domestic thermal imagers heard
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 17 2020 18: 42 New
          -1
          Yeah, you have tanks dug in on Everest, .... well, it’s waxing for a bridgehead and the heap is suitable, up to 20 km already running
          And when they shot, they often could not hit the target ..... well, wax when they shot and did not hit it along the hinged trajectory. that is, the approach of the SD to the target 2 seconds before the impact. and so. keep the brand and that's it ..... by the way, Invar "got" one more device. an inertial device based on an electronic gyroscope. so if for some reason the operator loses the target, then the UR rushes exactly where it was sent at the time of signal separation
          (sights, thermal imagers) ..... yes with them all the rules. The only unpleasant thing is that until now, both in the T-72B3 and on the T-90, the gunner needs to climb out of the hatch and unscrew four bolts from the Pine optics ..... well, it still sucks with the external "zenith" of the KVPT, it has long been remote nadot
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov April 14 2020 15: 59 New
    13
    Something has become more frequent on VO articles with theoretical discussions on the topic of who is better, bigger, or even thicker.

    Well, how can you compare lousy "Abrams" produced in an amount of more than 10 thousand pieces, used for 40 years, has been tested in various troubles and the best in the world tank "Armata" which has produced 20 pieces at most, but about the state order for 100 pieces of which we have been told for four years already?

    "Abrams" are in service with seven armies, they fought in Iraq and Afghanistan and in Yemen. As a result of studying the behavior of tanks in battle, improvements were made, a bunch of modifications were released, there are a lot of pribluds and attachments for different occasions, including dynamic protection. On their basis there are already engineering vehicles and bridgelayers.
    At the same time, "Abrams" badbut in favor good Unfortunately, no one can say anything intelligible to "Armata" today. This car is still young, it has everything ahead.

    The answer to a military expert (which is in the title of the article): They will not meet either because the Abramsam simply cannot be found. And it's good that it is. There will be fewer disappointments.

    While we can’t see how they are doing and what can good "Armata", look at the same from poor "Abrams" (there are captions. Russian can be configured):
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 14 2020 17: 18 New
      0
      what year is the video about the best tank abrams .. when did they release the last tank from the assembly line?
      armed with seven armies .. it's tin .. cool ..
      they also saw about the war and heard how they were there .. let them first drive to find the armature .. otherwise, in Poland they’ll get stuck under the bridge, and as a result, they will also kick the T72.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd April 14 2020 18: 34 New
        0
        Factories like in the union, equipment, machine tools, technology at the level of 60,70s. Released tanks are also models of those years. Nothing has changed, they just dragged some new elements to the old model, with the addition of letters and numbers to the tank. That's all reality. People are not blind, everyone sees, and not deaf, everyone hears. To jealously be jealous, these are not solutions to these facts. They are behind, in everything, in tank building too.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 14 2020 18: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Factories as in the union, equipment, machine tools, technologies at the level of 60,70s.

          it says absolutely no competent person. using one BTRZ as an example, I’ll give you that new buildings and equipment were built. With CNC, initially dual-use was selected and this was 2015

          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Released tanks are also models of those years. Nothing has changed, just dragged some new elements to the old model, with the addition of letters and numbers to the tank. That's the whole reality


          so I’m saying fucking Armata .. by the way, for some reason all the cheeks come from the National Interest, the Pentagon and the YouTube videos .. then they’re afraid of armature (asking for money for new developments), then they look for flaws (probably report on the cut)

          Quote: Oquzyurd
          To be jealous enviously, these are not solutions to these facts.


          and in thoughts was not envious. Does anyone know the real characteristics of the armata? what are we talking about.

          Quote: Oquzyurd
          Behind, in everything, in tank building too.


          it's a pearl.
  • kutuz
    kutuz April 14 2020 16: 02 New
    +3
    Balm for cheers patriots! We forgot one important point to mention that, in the USA, Abrasov 775 - M1A1 SA, 1609 - M1A2 SEPv2 (more than 3500 M1 / ​​M2 in storage) and 447 - M1A1 in the ILC, as of 2017 at the output of XM1A3.
    In Russia, Armat is already 5 pcs. and then, as an exhibit, that is, unfinished, what kind of military conflict can be said not if you are certainly not a suicide.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 14 2020 18: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: kutuz
      In Russia, Armat is already 5 w


      and those have already rolled out the entire resource in the Donbass .. repeat repeat
    2. murad suleymanov
      murad suleymanov April 14 2020 22: 01 New
      -4
      And didn’t think about why the Americans don’t put their super duper tanks at biathlon?)) The Chinese are not shy about really participating with their equipment. And about the abrams that stand like a spaceship, we heard from real fighters who were stitching them from an old cheap RPG-7 and they burn like brushwood!))
      1. kutuz
        kutuz April 15 2020 16: 22 New
        -1
        You watch TV is harmful! And with an RPG, any tank can be flashed for information. And about biathlon, this is pure window dressing for the cheers of the patriots which which has nothing to do with real life - they just don’t need it
      2. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 20: 43 New
        -2
        Quote: murad suleymanov
        And didn’t think about why the Americans do not put their super duper tanks at biathlon?

        NATO has its own tank games - until 1991, the Canadian Army Trophy, now the Strong Europe Tank Challenge. They are not so spectacular, but not such a show-off as domestic biathlon
  • eklmn
    eklmn April 14 2020 16: 07 New
    +1
    For the curious:
    typed on Google “Abrams vs Armata”. Received (lane google)
    http://www.military-today.com/tanks/armata_vs_abrams.htm
    "Story.
    The current version of the M1A2 Abrams is a significantly improved development of the Cold War era. Its predecessor, the original M1 Abrams, was adopted by the U.S. Army back in 1980. The tank was named after General Abrams, commander of US forces during the Vietnam War. It proved to be a successful design and was produced in large quantities. Over the years, this tank was constantly improved, armed and strengthened. M1A2 SEP v2 is the current version that forms the backbone of the US armed forces. It is planned that the modernized M1A2 series tanks will remain in operation with the US military after 2050.
    Russian T-14 Armata has a more modern design. During recent military conflicts, Russians were faced with the fact that their main battle tank T-90 was unable to maintain superiority over modern Western and Asian main battle tanks. A replacement was needed. The development of a new tank began in 2011 and was kept in the strictest confidence. The first batch of experimental tanks was delivered in 2015. Armata was first published that same year. This full-scale production can begin in 2020-2021. It is planned that after the Armata is put into operation, it will gradually replace obsolete Russian T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks, which are outdated.
    Concept.
    Abrams follows the lines of the western main battle tanks of the Cold War era. He uses composite armor similar to the British Chobham. Frontal armor is reinforced with depleted uranium mesh for a higher level of protection. In addition, Abrams can be equipped with additional explosive reactive armor. Most of the ammunition is stored in a tower bag with blown panels. The tank is rather bulky, but it is well protected from most anti-tank weapons.
    The M1A2 is armed with a 120mm manual-loading shotgun. The tank is equipped with a modern fire control system with a high probability of falling into the first circle. Abrams is led by a team of 4 people, including a gunner commander and driver.
    A unique feature of the Abrams tank is its gas turbine engine. This is a multi-fuel engine that can run on any kind of gasoline, diesel, aviation fuel or kerosene. The engine has impressive performance and is quiet. However, it is inconvenient for maintenance and has a very high fuel consumption compared to traditional diesel engines.
    Armata, on the other hand, is a new generation tank. This is a clean sheet design with a number of additional features. It has little to do with the current T-90 and other old Soviet tanks. In fact, this is the first Russian truly new production tank since the T-72, which was adopted back in 1973. The Armata design focuses on heavier armor and crew survivability. The exact specifications of the new Armata remain classified.
    Armata has an unmanned tower and is controlled by a team of 3 people. In accordance with the Russian concept of tank construction, that the tank should be operated by a smaller crew in order to reduce its size and weight and improve protection. However, this new tank has a new layout. All crew members are seated in front of the hull in a well-protected armored capsule. The weapon is loaded automatically, and the ammunition is separated from the crew compartment.
    Protection.
    Abrams is one of the most protected tanks in the world. He uses composite armor reinforced with a depleted uranium mesh. It can also mount additional explosive reactive armor. The tank is well protected from most known anti-tank weapons.
    The U.S. Army is committed to delivering advanced defensive technologies, called Active Defense Systems, to its Abrams tanks. It is designed to destroy approaching anti-tank missiles and anti-tank guided missiles. This technology increases the overall survivability of the tank. Until now, Abrams tanks have not been put up in battle with such a defense system.
    Abrmas tanks are also equipped with a countermeasure system that interrupts infrared and laser guidance of anti-tank missiles.
    The Russian Armata uses the latest basic armor made of steel, ceramics and composite materials. Armata also has a new Malachite explosive reactive armor, which is claimed to be a new generation. The Armata tank protection level remains classified. It may be one of the most protected tanks in the world.
    It was reported that the Russian Armata will be equipped with a new system of active protection Afganit. However, in 2018, it turned out that there were problems with the development of Afghans. By 2018, prototypes of this system were not completed and were not ready for testing. This tank also has a new countermeasure system, which reduces the likelihood of anti-tank guided missiles.
    In general, in terms of protection, none of these two tanks has an advantage over the other.
    Mobility / maneuverability.
    American Abrams tanks are equipped with a gas turbine engine developing 1500 hp. This is mainly a modified helicopter engine adapted for use on tanks. It is compact for its power output. Thus, despite the fact that the Abrams is heavy and bulky, this tank is surprisingly nimble thanks to a powerful engine. It is much faster than many other tanks, and has excellent off-road performance. In addition, its gas turbine unit has more advantages compared to the traditional diesel engine commonly used in tanks. It is a multi-fuel engine that can run on kerosene, diesel, gasoline or aviation fuel. It can start at very low temperatures. Also, the engine is remarkably quiet. Because of this feature, Abrams was even called the Whispering Death. A gas turbine engine has maintenance intervals significantly longer than diesel engines. However, a gas turbine engine has several disadvantages. It is noteworthy that it is difficult to maintain and has a very high fuel consumption compared to diesel engines.
    Russian Armata is equipped with a new turbocharged diesel engine, developing a capacity of 1 hp. This is a new generation engine, which is much more compact and more powerful than previous Russian tank engines. This engine has not yet been tested and may have a number of problems with teething. However, this Russian diesel engine is much more economical and easier to maintain than an American gas turbine.
    Abrams accelerates faster than Armata and has excellent cross-country performance. However, in general, in terms of engine power and mobility, both tanks have their strengths and weaknesses. ”
    The guns and crew survival and production for the army are also compared.
    1. murad suleymanov
      murad suleymanov April 14 2020 21: 54 New
      -4
      All this blablablabla is breaking up into reality, which is such, the abrams burn like dead wood and make their way out of our old RPG-7. Is it worth it to talk further about this rubbish whose cost is space and combat efficiency is zero !?)))
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 17 2020 20: 49 New
        -2
        Quote: murad suleymanov
        abrams are burning

        all armored vehicles are on fire. Remember how domestic tanks and infantry fighting vehicles burned on New Year's Eve in Grozny

        Quote: murad suleymanov
        make their way out our old RPG-7

        proof to the studio. Or so - blah blah blah?

        Quote: murad suleymanov
        Is it worth further talking about this trash

        I don’t know if you should speak at all. You know absolutely nothing about tanks
  • cniza
    cniza April 14 2020 16: 19 New
    +5
    I believe that this is part of the information war that the Americans are waging against our military-industrial complex.


    Naturally, this is an information war and a struggle for sales markets.
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm April 14 2020 16: 26 New
    +4
    how can one compare what is in service with something that is not yet in service?
  • Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich April 14 2020 16: 44 New
    0
    Neither one nor the other, the third who will triumph over them, and pitted, and will reap the fruits, giggling quietly.
  • IL-64
    IL-64 April 14 2020 16: 44 New
    +2
    - May I, mister teacher? (pulls a hand)
    - Did Mr. Baranets see Armata?
  • Emphasis
    Emphasis April 14 2020 16: 45 New
    +1
    Someone speaks of self-praise, but they quote an expert dumping commentary from his own state. And without any justification whatsoever.
    Anyway, to talk about some kind of meeting there of a veteran of all kinds of military and represented by single samples, who did not closely participate in any military operations and did not participate in Armata. Let there be a comparison with t90, then let it be. Yes, and then such applications need to be justified, otherwise hatred is obtained, no more
  • aglet
    aglet April 14 2020 16: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: kot423
    And why did the abrams get better?

    well, at least he is
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr April 14 2020 16: 56 New
    +1
    Not tanks need to be compared now, but the means of anti-tank warfare and the means of covering a tank attack. The tank itself is a serious weapon, but it also requires cover for successful use
  • aglet
    aglet April 14 2020 16: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexey from Perm
    how can one compare what is in service with something that is not yet in service?

    how can one compare what is and what is not?
  • BAI
    BAI April 14 2020 17: 53 New
    +3
    God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"

    May they never meet. By the time Armata appears (if appears), there will be something else instead of Abrams.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 14 2020 20: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: BAI
      God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"

      May they never meet. By the time Armata appears (if appears), there will be something else instead of Abrams.

      It remains garbage - to find a plant in the United States so that he could make tanks ....
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 15 2020 21: 56 New
        -3
        Quote: your1970
        It remains garbage - to find a plant in the United States so that he could make tanks ..

        What does not suit you in Lima?
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 16 2020 09: 44 New
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: your1970
          It remains garbage - to find a plant in the United States so that he could make tanks ..

          What does not suit you in Lima?

          A repair plant is not a tank factory. Dangling a tank with a stray is not to make a new tank.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 16 2020 11: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Quote: your1970
            It remains garbage - to find a plant in the United States so that he could make tanks ..

            What does not suit you in Lima?

            A repair plant is not a tank factory. Dangling a tank with a stray is not to make a new tank.

            The Lima plant is carrying out very serious tank upgrades. Ask how the Abrams SEP v3 differs from the 1980 tank. And also restore cars.
            Produced by Strikers. The plant has competencies, it is only necessary to equip it (if it becomes necessary to make tanks from scratch. But so far it is not there - the number of tanks in storage is still very large - I do not want to upgrade)
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 14 2020 18: 00 New
    +2
    And already began to write articles about articles.
    Moreover, without a single figure comparing data.
    But in VO there were also competent articles - with data on armor, penetration, guns ....

    And by the number of these tanks in the army .....

    By the way, where did they get that video material from the West, in the comments the people indicate what lies on our resources ...
    1. vorobey
      vorobey April 14 2020 18: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: Max1995
      But there were literate articles at VO


      let's not talk about what happened .. myself in shock ..
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 14 2020 20: 02 New
        +3
        Kars appears very rarely, Alex TV generally left the site. It is not clear who to turn to for information.
  • Andron59
    Andron59 April 14 2020 18: 20 New
    0
    Americans glorify their technology in every way, even in computer games their tanks and airplanes are the "coolest".
  • Light
    Light April 14 2020 20: 08 New
    0
    Armata is not yet in the troops. It is better to compare the latest version of Abrams that they have in service with the T-90M. It will be more or less on a par, but the Americans merge on the automatic loader, weight, price
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 14 2020 21: 29 New
    -1
    interesting, but do we develop new anti-tank guns? or will we go on Rapier? She’s definitely not breaking through new tanks in the frontal projection ...
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 15 2020 21: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: Dzafdet
      interesting, but do we develop new anti-tank guns? or will we go on Rapier?

      now the fight against tanks is assigned to the tanks themselves, anti-tank systems and combat helicopters. Towed guns - now a relic of the past
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 14 2020 21: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: Talgat 148
    And yet you should not underestimate the enemy. All Soviet weapons, especially air defense systems, were defeated in Syria in 1982, Libya in 1986, and Iraq in 1990-2003. ....


    So there Misha Gorbachev passed access codes and all the secret information on these complexes ...
    1. KCA
      KCA April 15 2020 09: 59 New
      +1
      In Iraq, despite the presence of Soviet air defense systems, the coordination and control system of air defense was French, and it suddenly stopped working altogether, but separately, the air defense system was completed by electronic warfare, anti-radar and conventional missiles
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 15 2020 21: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Quote: Talgat 148
      And yet you should not underestimate the enemy. All Soviet weapons, especially air defense systems, were defeated in Syria in 1982, Libya in 1986, and Iraq in 1990-2003. ....


      So there Misha Gorbachev passed access codes and all the secret information on these complexes ...

      Who was your Misha in 1982? Finish already disgrace and write nonsense, people read you
  • murad suleymanov
    murad suleymanov April 14 2020 21: 43 New
    -2
    Pinosovsky petriots showed their effectiveness during a raid on oil storage facilities in Saudi Arabia!)) They performed the role of dusty furniture there!))))))
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 17 2020 20: 55 New
      -2
      Quote: murad suleymanov
      Pinos Petriots have shown their effectiveness during a raid on oil storage in Saudi Arabia!

      they showed themselves in real databases. Shot down real goals (not always effective, but nonetheless). And the domestic S-300/400, except at target ranges, were not fired anywhere. What is their real effectiveness, where is it verified?
  • restless
    restless April 14 2020 21: 52 New
    +1
    From my combat experience I can report the following; while there is no understanding of the disposition and lack of communication, I get scared when everything is being established and most importantly there is communication with other groups of troops, then everything is fine, we can beat the enemy in a complex and very well and purposefully, but when tearing apart, each unit is an easy target, if only by experience tactics and cohesion helps ....
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 14 2020 21: 59 New
    +2
    And I would like ... To Abrams and T-90 - at the tank biathlon. And so Leclerc, Leopard and Challenger. Half of the planet will not be torn off from TVs! :)
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 17 2020 20: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: Pavel73
      And I would like ... To Abrams and T-90 - at the tank biathlon

      why not at the Strong Europe Tank Challenge?
  • Klingon
    Klingon April 14 2020 23: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    The comparison is incorrect.
    M1A2 Abrams was launched thirty years ago.
    And released his wazoo.
    And the mass production of Almaty has not yet been established.
    Correctly compare the M1A2 Abrams with the T-90. There were no serious collisions of the formations of these tanks, so it’s hard to say anything. But there is still a lot of modernization, both tanks, each of which seriously affects the performance characteristics.

    let me clarify, correctly compare with the T-90M Breakthrough, and so completely agree.
    Well, there you can of course highlight modifications of what to compare with
    like there T-90 with XM1 and so on.
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U April 15 2020 00: 42 New
    -1
    Purely hypothetically -
    1. How many Abrams can be put up by the USA.
    2. How much Armat can put Russia.
    .................................................. ..................................
    - Why "Armata" did not join the troops -https: //topwar.ru/145482-pochemu-tank-armata-ne-poshel-v-vojska.html
    - Front Armata: Why the newest tank doesn’t enter the troops - http://agitpro.su/paradnaya-armata-pochemu-novejshij-tank-ne-postupaet-v-vojska/
    - The difficult fate of “Almaty”: why the T-14 is still not in the troops
    March 9, 2020 -https: //topcor.ru/13509-neprostaja-sudba-armaty-pochemu-t-14-do-sih-por-net-v-vojskah.html
    - “Armata” stalled, T-90 “sailed” to the Americans
    In the domestic tank building, a period of failure has come - https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/241564/
    - The expert explained why Russia is in no hurry to put Armata into the troops - https://riafan.ru/1209902-ekspert-obyasnil-pochemu-rossiya-ne-toropitsya-postavit-armatu-v-voiska
    .................................................. .................................................. ........................
    God forbid Abrams to poke their heads, we will meet "deeply modernized" ...
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 April 15 2020 03: 55 New
    0
    Baranets special for all matters and issues .... but how the radio works!
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 April 15 2020 03: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Dzafdet
    interesting, but do we develop new anti-tank guns? or will we go on Rapier? She’s definitely not breaking through new tanks in the frontal projection ...

    So it’s not the gun, but the shell to it .....
  • Koto Foto
    Koto Foto April 15 2020 06: 46 New
    +3
    Baranets such Baranets. It’s correct to say this: God forbid the Abrams will meet with all 6 armatures that we have.
    Yes, and with air battles, we are somehow so-so. In Syria, the plane was shot down, in Georgia - shot down. It is clear that there was some kind of cunning plan, it was impossible to give the answer to the Turks. Jews also can not be brought down, they fly over Lebanon. But you can’t shoot down.
  • jovanni
    jovanni April 15 2020 08: 42 New
    +1
    Military expert: God forbid the American "Abrams" on the go to meet with our "Armata"

    Well, American Abrams can sleep well. How many of them do we have in the armies of those "Armata"? So to meet them with such a rare beast is one chance, as they say, in a thousand. How to win in the lottery. And this is unlikely ...
  • The comment was deleted.
  • Diviz
    Diviz April 15 2020 10: 06 New
    -2
    What will penetrate armata. The shell will not penetrate the armor of the abrams. There will be no green X. 1 abrams, and if 2 abrams are against armata, then what. What options.
    1. Wolf
      Wolf April 15 2020 11: 33 New
      -3
      On the first hit, the crew is already unable to fight, anyway, he’s alive so he will break 2 charges in 10 seconds, and the crew can’t do anything!
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 15 2020 15: 23 New
      -1
      The landmines began to enter the arsenal of NATO ....... Armata has Invar which pounds for 6 km, and the 24-kilogram OF-36 that doesn’t even need to be hit, it’s nearby and everything from the Abra flies, and inside there will be 4 people with shell concussion, one of which will be charging, that’s the whole battle with Arm. Yes, and with the T-90
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky April 15 2020 11: 17 New
    0
    Well, if they like it. Let them say it.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 15 2020 11: 27 New
    0
    For the Abrams to meet the Armata, this tank must be put into service and then get into one of the hot spots as a combat unit.