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In Ukraine, showed the test drone "kamikaze" "Thunder"

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The drone "kamikaze" "Thunder" developed by the Ukrainian NPP Atlon Avia passed the next stage of flight tests. This is a barrage of ammunition that moves with the help of a multicopter and is capable of performing various tasks.


The test process of the new Ukrainian drone was shot on video for the Defense Express Internet resource.

During the test flight, several drone control modes and the detection of various targets were tested.

To prevent the prototype from being destroyed, a parachute was mounted on it instead of explosives.


The mass of the warhead of the ammunition is 3500 grams. It can be high-explosive, thermobaric, or cumulative.

The total take-off weight of the device is 10 kilograms. Its speed can reach 120 km / h. An UAV is capable of continuously being in the air for an hour.

An optical station with a powerful camera is able to find even small targets from a height of up to 1,2 kilometers.

Multicopter is not only a means of delivery of ammunition, but also acts as a repeater of control signals and telemetry. This allows you to expand the range of data transmission even in the face of opposition to electronic warfare of the enemy.
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  1. tTshka
    tTshka April 14 2020 13: 55 New
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    Nusnenko, petty))) in the style of "country" - "kamikaze"
    1. universe1
      universe1 April 14 2020 14: 09 New
      -10
      Are you a knight, then? Made laugh.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 14 2020 18: 30 New
        +2
        Kamikaze drones are a popular modern weapon.
        A cheap one that even a student can collect.
        As the war in Syria has shown - against layered air defense is useless, but against targets not covered by air defense is very effective.
    2. loki565
      loki565 April 14 2020 14: 41 New
      +3
      Catch up and shoot with a shotgun)))
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 15: 24 New
      +4
      Nusnenko, petty))) in the style of "country" - "kamikaze"


      You may have forgotten, but the war consists entirely of such tricks, knightly fights have long been in the past. And Ukraine is definitely not worth condemning for this.

      It is necessary to prepare to repel such a threat. Such drones will be tomorrow not only in Ukraine, but also in militants in the same Syria or elsewhere.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 14 2020 16: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And Ukraine is definitely not worth condemning for this.

        After the recent use of the drone against unequivocally non-combatants?
        Still worth it.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 18: 24 New
          +1
          After the recent use of the drone against unequivocally non-combatants?
          Still worth it.


          Well then blame Russia for this, too, because non-combatants have put much more out of our weapons.

          But in my opinion it’s not the fault of the developers, but of those who use this weapon, in fact ordinary people who for some time gained power and permissiveness.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 14 2020 18: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Well then blame Russia for this, too, because non-combatants have put much more out of our weapons.

            "Ours"?
            How interesting...
            And do Ukrainian punishers have a lot of Russian-made weapons?

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            But in my opinion here is not the fault of the developers, but of those who use this weapon

            Really, can these girls pouring gas into bottles really be to blame
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 23: 24 New
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              "Ours"?
              How interesting...
              And do Ukrainian punishers have a lot of Russian-made weapons?


              Soviet is full, which is done in the same factories that now produce weapons for Russia.

              Really, can these girls pouring gas into bottles really be to blame


              No need to equate a weapon designer with an accomplice in a crime.
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 14 2020 18: 34 New
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      Don't be in a hurry to get upset, this "crazy handles" constructor assembled from Chinese parts, not so much a weapon, but a means of "cutting the budget". This company appeared in 2014, especially good reviews are not heard about the "fury", and it's scary to even think about the cost. This is a military secret "000"
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2020 13: 55 New
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    An optical station with a powerful camera is able to find even small targets from a height of up to 1,2 kilometers.
    Not a bad target for "Shilka"
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 14: 00 New
      +2
      And I even thought about small arms. After all, most UAVs in the Donbass are knocked down by machine guns and machine guns. And some of them fly faster than this munition.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2020 14: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And I even thought about small arms

        Yes, the goal is painfully buzzing and big, with luck it is possible with them, but "Shilka" is beyond competition
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 14 2020 14: 23 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Not a bad target for "Shilka"

      Maybe first try to shoot them out of a shotgun, it will turn out cheaper.
    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 15: 33 New
      +5
      Not a bad target for "Shilka"


      Shilka has become obsolete for several decades. You can make hundreds of such drones for each Shilka, you get tired of shooting. Moreover, in order to repel the attack, the Shilka will have to be on alert 24 hours a day, and we do not have replacement / reserve crews like Israel has in tanks.

      The drone kamikaze is a serious threat and underestimating it, you can then get another nuisance like in Idlib with UAVs, which we do not have, and Turkey has hundreds of them, I’m not even talking about more powerful NATO countries.

      The system opposing such drones should be automatic, I think, based on a 57-mm programmed to detonate ammunition, so as not to spend a lot of ammunition on one target. Zasek, the computer calculated the range, gave the command to the fuse, the system fired 3-4 shots towards the target and while the shells were flying, it began to capture the target and so many times how many of these drones will be in the air.

      But Shilka was made for a plane or a helicopter, no one expected that there could be a dozen such goals for each ZSU.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2020 15: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Shilka is outdated for several decades

        Outdated electronics, but not guns. Nothing prevents the modernization of the "filling" especially since the machines themselves are still in stock
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Zasek, the computer calculated the range, gave the command to the fuse, the system made 3-4 shots towards the target and while the shells fly

        Everything is exactly the same, but without "commands" the fuses can be made for the "Shilok" ...
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 15: 56 New
          +3
          Everything is exactly the same, but without "commands" the fuses can be made for the "Shilok" ...


          Maybe it can. But why? Isn't it more efficient and cheaper to fire a shot from 2-3 57-mm shells, which will be both more accurate and cheaper than a line of 4 barrels of several hundred shells and more powerful and further hit targets than 23-mm Shilka shells.

          Shilka has a lot of dispersion, which was not critical for a target such as an airplane / helicopter at the time it was created, now it has lost its relevance as an anti-aircraft gun even for airplanes and helicopters, and getting into a small drone is a completely different matter, it may take several turns defeat will only be at very close range. Now imagine that there are several such kamikaze drones, and while you are using half of the b / c, 10 more of these will fly at you and 10 are ready.

          The principle of Shilka’s defeat is a cloud of cheap shells, some kind of hit the target (plane, helicopter), and this drone is scanty, it may happen that it won’t get a damn into it.

          Another point is that "Shilka" uses a radar, that is, its position will be visible on the forward edge and it will be hit by an anti-radar missile.

          Therefore, such a system should operate in a passive mode based on OLS as the main mode of operation, and radar only as an additional one and under certain conditions.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 14 2020 15: 58 New
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            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            But why?

            Well, we don’t need to send them to be melted down and we will wait for "Derivation-SV" when the troops will be saturated with it in 10 years.
            The Shilka has one huge advantage that should not be discounted, if even three barrels fail, it can hit the target exactly, but what happens if the Derivation-SV fails?
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 18: 22 New
              +4
              I doubt that "Shilka" will hit such a target with four barrels, and even more so.

              As an example, I have not heard anything in Syria or the Donbas about the successful use of this ZSU against drones.

              And so that the weapon does not fail, it must be serviced.
  3. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 14 2020 14: 02 New
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    The rapid development of combat drones will make the wars of the future similar to the First World War. Then the army buried itself in the trenches and bunkers, fired across the front line with mortars, howitzers and machine guns, since the attacks were useless by their lethality. In the future, soldiers will also sit deep underground and shoot drones across the front line until these drones end. Then they will come up with something else. If there is anyone.
    1. syndicalist
      syndicalist April 14 2020 19: 40 New
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      Quote: sanik2020
      In the future, soldiers will also sit deep underground and shoot drones across the front line until these drones end

      Moreover, the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean can become the front line, and the dugout can be in a comfortable office.
      But, by and large, the time of controlled drones is running out. In the next war, fashion will be determined by fully autonomous drones that independently choose the target and attack tactics, as well as independently decide on the destruction of the target.
  4. pytar
    pytar April 14 2020 14: 13 New
    +6
    A dangerous weapon! Shooting at him with the goal to bring down, he himself becomes the goal! If you run a swarm of such, they will cover everyone who is unmasked down! Loss of robot, can not be compared with the loss of manpower! People are more important!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 14 2020 14: 29 New
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      Quote: pytar
      Loss of robot, can not be compared with the loss of manpower! People are more important!

      Yes, such a weapon is an unpleasant thing. You need to develop real methods of struggle, but for now you can use "Solntsepёk". Calculate the launch site for these "robots" to shy away with a whole division of "Solntsepyok".
      1. pytar
        pytar April 14 2020 14: 41 New
        +1
        You need to develop real methods of struggle, but for now you can use "Solntsepёk". Calculate the launch site for these "robots" to shy away with a whole division of "Solntsepyok".

        Srau remembered several science fiction films. laughing The target is always the control center and communication stub. It is logical! In real life, everything will not be so simple. "Center" can be a core network of several scattered eggs - underground at a great distance from the battlefield, in the air and in space / not static /. Communications can be multi-level, one or more of them are reserved in case of failure! Secentric or whatever they call it ...?! "Soncepec" will not be effective, moreover, the target will immediately become and will be destroyed in seconds, along with the crew! Ultra-modern weapons, it will be possible to parry only with similar technological level! Which poses new, extremely difficult tasks!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 14 2020 16: 05 New
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          Quote: pytar
          "Center" may be a core network of several scattered eggs

          Will the operator's brains be divided into several parts and decomposed into "core network nodes"?
          laughing
          1. pytar
            pytar April 14 2020 16: 19 New
            +1
            Will the operator's brains be divided into several parts and decomposed into "core network nodes"?

            "Operator" will be a mobile computer network based on the principle of neural connections. Networked artificial intelligence. As you probably know, in the human brain, part of the neurons can be affected, for example, in a stroke. If the lesion is not critical, the rest of the neurons take over the functions of the deceased. The human operator will perform auxiliary functions, since the speed of human thought will not be sufficient to analyze information and take adequate actions. Of course, this does not apply to the device in static ... laughing In the case discussed here, the operator will smoke nervously under a camouflage net, hoping that the ego will not be deflected by smoke from cigarettes and from ... well, you understand .... laughing This is the case when smoking is really unhealthy! laughing
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 14 2020 16: 26 New
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              Quote: pytar
              "Operator" will be a computer network

              Fiction is interesting. But not relevant.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 14 2020 17: 20 New
                +1
                Fiction is interesting. But not relevant.

                Why not relevant? Here in VO there are stats on the topic.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 14 2020 17: 23 New
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                  Quote: pytar
                  Here in VO there are stats on the topic.

                  On the topic of artificial intelligence?
              2. syndicalist
                syndicalist April 14 2020 19: 44 New
                -4
                Just about 7 years ago, the same VO experts spoke about ordinary drones.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 14 2020 20: 50 New
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                  Quote: syndicalist
                  Just about 7 years ago, the same VO experts spoke about ordinary drones.

                  About 7 years ago, ordinary drones were spoken of as an invulnerable prodigy ...
                  Citing as confirmation a quote from Shamanov. I wrote that it wasn’t for long, but they didn’t want to listen to me ...

                  Now it turned out that this is not so.
                  Even the Israelis stepped on the throat of their own song, and began not only to shoot down drones, but also to hit their operators.
  5. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront April 14 2020 14: 16 New
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    Kamikaze, it’s not so in Ukrainian, I would not trust him, at any moment he could change his mind.
  6. Amateur
    Amateur April 14 2020 14: 20 New
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    The mass of the warhead of the ammunition is 3500 grams

    And in carats it's finally 17500
  7. pytar
    pytar April 14 2020 14: 28 New
    +2
    Why is the ego called "kamikaze"? Platform / multicopter / reusable, only "kamikaze" ammunition, but it is all ammunition / projectile, rocket, etc. / disposable!
    Robot war on the horizon! The time comes when people will not lean out on the battlefield, but will remotely control the process! And that’s not all, there the FIC will assess situations, make decisions and act! The future is on the verge ...

    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 14 2020 14: 40 New
      +1
      At the doorstep is it when?
      Until compact power sources are invented, this threshold is not expected.
      As always, it's up to the scientists !!!
      They, of course, move progress, but somehow imperceptibly approach the moment of the end of humanity! This is so, if you look at everything with a futuristic look!
      1. pytar
        pytar April 14 2020 15: 09 New
        +3
        Sooner or later they will invent. I have no doubt about that. Just look at the technology over the past few years. And they’ll come up with something new! And so, all the most provincial scientific and technological discoveries unfortunately immediately go in the military sphere! What truly raises many questions about the future of mankind, as a species!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 14 2020 15: 21 New
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          Maybe somewhere in the secret laboratories there are products, projects, perpetual batteries ???
          The first time I read about this in the magazine "Science and Life", twenty years ago! Until now, not on sale, not found anywhere.
          I also have no doubt that in the foreseeable future, something similar will be invented, manufactured.
          In the meantime, they are moving along the path of improving what has already been invented and there is no reason to expect a real breakthrough on that path.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 14 2020 15: 51 New
            +2
            Everything is possible! I believe all the most advanced, top secret. We can only guess! Developments are underway, unimaginable things are being created! Nanodrons, microdrons, large-sized combat robots, zoom-trophic and human-like, reconnaissance, with different firepower, walking, crawling, flying, garaging, swimming, diving, etc. I do not exclude the appearance of a special type - biorobots / cyborgs /. Artificial intelligence will dominate!
            How can I counteract it? I believe here the role of directed energy ray systems, as well as different types of wave fields / including bio-extrasensory nature / will increase. You are right, a lot rests on energy sources, which should be compact and costly at the same time! Stationary and mobile. The role of the Cosmos will grow and become decisive! There will be fewer human casualties, many wars will be won almost bloodlessly. The main emphasis will be placed on isolation, separation, paralysis of enemy systems, ego destruction, energy, production and technological frauds, management tools, analysis, and process management. Of course, and everything related to strategic weapons! Moreover, the attacker will be able to infiltrate, even before the ego opponent realized that
            attacked him! I am sure it is already in use! Man is extremely inventive in attempts to self-destruct!
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 14 2020 16: 02 New
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              Humanity will either destroy itself or go into space!
              Although one does not exclude the other.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 14 2020 16: 23 New
                +1
                There is a third option - prudent and tackle more useful things! Although the probability is small ... what
  8. Baloo
    Baloo April 14 2020 14: 44 New
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    From the diaries of Admiral Canaris:
    “I'm not afraid of death. All my life I honestly performed my duty as an officer. My conscience before Germany is clear. I am guilty of only one thing: we all relied on some mythical miracle. We underestimated the Nazis. And insight came too late. And we could not save Germany from the disaster. ”
    Perhaps this is the last entry before the admiral Shelenberg arrived.
    Does it seem logical to one to draw parallels with what is happening in Ukraine?
    All wunderwaffles invent, everyone wants to defeat the aggressor, who has no time to come to war.

    I would venture to suggest that the dictator will replace the clown zyuzyu in this nativity scene.
  9. flicker
    flicker April 14 2020 14: 54 New
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    In Ukraine, showed the test drone "kamikaze" "Thunder"

    More suitable for sabotage than for warfare.
    This Ukraine, it is so unpredictable. Today they bomb Donbass - and tomorrow they can start bombing Dnepropetrovsk.
    "According to the ADL (American Jewish non-governmental, human rights, socio-political organization, which opposes anti-Semitism and other forms of intolerance towards Jews), which was conducted in 14 European countries, approximately one in four Europeans hold anti-Semitic beliefs, and such views are becoming more common in eastern countries of the continent, reports Associated Press.
    Thus, anti-Semitic sentiments in Poland increased to 48% from 37% in 2015. In Ukraine, growth turned out to be even higher: at present, this view is held by 46% of the population (32% in 2016). "

    And what do these Ukrainians have in mind request
    1. Avior
      Avior April 14 2020 17: 03 New
      +1
      Oh, these anti-Semitic organizations!
      The Jewish president was succeeded by the Jewish prime minister in Ukraine.
      1. flicker
        flicker April 14 2020 18: 09 New
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        Yes, and even vice versa:
        Jewish Prime Minister succeeded the Jewish President.
        No one would have noticed.

        Another thing is that Ukraine still seems like no one believes even in Ukraine itself.

        Question: who is to blame will definitely come up.
        They will begin to find out what such a network (ethnic network) has actively and skillfully planted (to the delight of Bandera) Russophobia in Ukraine over the past 20 years.
        Suddenly find out.
        And as they find out, they will remember about the kamikaze shell, and about other nishtyaks, the benefit of their experience is already there.

        What do these Ukrainians have in mind request
        1. Avior
          Avior April 14 2020 18: 16 New
          +1
          I'm about your example
          "According to a poll by ADL (American Jewish non-governmental human rights socio-political organization that opposes anti-Semitism and other forms of intolerance towards Jews)
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 14 2020 15: 21 New
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    Serious and dangerous weapon. Against such systems, it is necessary to make some kind of stationary and autonomous air defense systems. Something like our "Derivation" so that it could detect targets not from a radar but from an OLS and not give itself out and destroy them with 57-mm programmable detonation ammunition.

    It may make sense to make "Derivation" not only on the basis of the BMP, but also, for example, in the form of a trailer to the "Tiger" where the OLS, 57-mm cannon, batteries for autonomous long-term operation with remote control from the "Tiger" car will be placed.

    Such stationary systems would be able to cover the checkpoints of troops and prevent them from being defeated by such cheap and effective types of ammunition.
  11. Piramidon
    Piramidon April 14 2020 15: 22 New
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    This is a barrage of ammunition that moves with the help of a multicopter and is capable of performing various tasks.

    So, it seems that they already had this ready. wassat
  12. Maas
    Maas April 14 2020 15: 31 New
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    It rises to a height in the rear and dumps ammunition, which is already flying towards the target. Interestingly, what is the speed of this "kamikaze" sagging equipment? 300 km / h?
    1. pytar
      pytar April 14 2020 16: 31 New
      +1
      Interestingly, what is the speed of this "kamikaze" barrage equipment? 300 km / h?

      Judging / subjectively / from the video, it is unlikely that more than 120-150 km / h. and then downhill with a dive! The propeller is dvukhlopastny, and the electric motor is probably low-speed. With all this, due to the small size, this is a difficult goal! hi
      1. pytar
        pytar April 14 2020 17: 18 New
        +1
        They write 120 km / h in static, the current is incomprehensible is the speed of a multirotor or ammunition ?!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS April 14 2020 18: 16 New
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    They assembled UAVs from a Chinese store and equipped them with a charge. The weak point of such a drone is communication.
  14. Light
    Light April 14 2020 20: 23 New
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    The fairy-tale grim will remain such)))
  15. Sarkazm
    Sarkazm April 15 2020 01: 28 New
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    Pretty original solutions, thanks to the author, I would have missed. With the mass production of such ammunition, taking into account the reusable device for raising and launching it, hitting the target will be very inexpensive. What can I say, not the fact that the Ukrainians will take it into service or this is the final option, but I think if the APU will have them in a large enough quantity, then they can make a rustle. It immediately seems to me that the most common will be ammunition variants with cumulative and thermobaric charge (warhead) performance. In the case of a cumulative warhead, by definition, ammunition will attack the target from above, in the least protected areas, and in theory in the case of local and mass production, it will cost less or be comparable to modern ATGMs, but it seems to me to be more effective, as it will allow to destroy for example tanks, still on the march or in areas of concentration, etc. In addition, with mass use, I think the air defense systems will be not very effective and will only slightly reduce effectiveness. Especially, for example, in the East, with all the desire we don’t have to deploy modern anti-aircraft missile systems such as the Shell, by definition, and taken separately it will not be sufficiently effective, or even it will become one of the first targets of such ammunition.

    He began to follow similar developments after the first relative mass use on the territory of the USSR during the next clashes between the armies of Azerbaijan and Armenia in April 2016.