Roscosmos is considering resuming launches from Sea Launch

Roscosmos is considering participating in the resumption of launches from the Sea Launch floating spaceport since 2024. This was reported in a letter to the state corporation aimed at enterprises of the state corporation.

Roscosmos instructed its subsidiaries to work out the possibility of participating in Sea Launch. In particular, the RCC "Progress" was charged with evaluating the cost of developing the Soyuz-7 rocket for launches from the offshore platform, the cost of mass production and other costs for launching. In addition, the assessment of the competitiveness of the Sea Launch in comparison with Baikonur and Vostochny should be subjected to analysis, and most importantly, it should assess the cost of repairing the Sea Launch launch platform itself and the command ship, as well as the costs of maintaining them.

Recall that the launch platform itself and the command ship are currently located in Slavyanka Bay near Vladivostok, where they were moved from the US California coast after all rights to the Sea Launch were transferred to the Russian group of companies S7.

As part of the purchase of Sea Launch, the S7 Group transferred the entire project property complex: the Sea Launch Commander assembly and command ship (from which launch control is carried out), the sea launch site itself - the Odyssey mobile launch platform, ground equipment in the Long Beach base port and intellectual property rights owned by Sea Launch, including trademark.

The international Sea Launch company appeared in 1995 with the participation of the Russian RSC Energia, the American Boeing company, the Norwegian Kvärner, as well as the Ukrainian enterprises of the Design Bureau Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash, which produced the Zenit rocket for the cosmodrome 3SL ", the only one adapted for launch from a marine spaceport. A total of 36 launches were made, of which 33 were successful.

In 2014, the spaceport was mothballed after the last rocket was launched. Russia has ceased to supply to Ukraine components for the production of rockets, including RD-171 rocket engines.

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[Lopatov]

On the one hand, there should be some alternative to Roscosmos.
On the other, S7 may not be pulled due to the coronavirus, yet the situation hit them very hard.

In short, it is necessary to help, but somehow past Rogozin.

[Stena]

Quote: Spade

On the one hand, there should be some alternative to Roscosmos.

And also the question - is it possible to make manned launches from Sea Launch, as an alternative to Baikonur?
To these questions, among the local public, Slipped can most fully answer.

[mlad]

too difficult to manned, hardly

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Stena

And also the question - is it possible to make manned launches from Sea Launch, as an alternative to Baikonur?

Unlikely
This is what team of specialists there will need to be transported
Yes, and the start itself redo
It will be much cheaper from "Vostochny"

[Pereira]

It will be much cheaper from "Vostochny"

May be. But, I think in S7 they counted, otherwise they would not have contacted the platform.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Pereira

But, I think in S7 they counted, otherwise they would not have contacted the platform.

It was not about manned launches

[Mastodon]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Pereira

But, I think in S7 they counted, otherwise they would not have contacted the platform.

It was not about manned launches

That's right, this platform is pure for satellites .. Do not waste good! And secondly, this platform can be adapted to something else tricky in addition ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mastodon

And secondly, this platform can be adapted to something else tricky in addition ..

Yes, maybe they will adjust it while we are standing

[Mastodon]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Mastodon

And secondly, this platform can be adapted to something else tricky in addition ..

Yes, maybe they will adjust it while we are standing

Wow, how does it look, the same as in the picture? What work is being done? I understand that it is secret, but at least in general terms please!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Mastodon

I understand that it is secret, but at least in general terms please!

I have never met any plans for any alteration anywhere
Apparently they themselves have not yet decided what can be done there.

[Mastodon]

Quote: Lipchanin

I have never met any plans for any alteration anywhere

And it pleases, less chatter more work ..!

Quote: Lipchanin

Apparently they themselves have not yet decided what can be done there.

I think everything has been decided for a long time, it’s too expensive to buy (by the way, we created it, funded the Yankens, launch vehicles should have been Ukrainian) .. I hope they won’t cut it into metal, like they did in the 90s!
Howl certainly costs creeps Why, cut, etc. but I think it's even good!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lipchanin

It will be much cheaper from "Vostochny"

Here "sea horseradish" is not sweeter than the "Far Eastern radish."
Valued at $ 2018 in 150, the Sea Launch will require investments of at least 000 rubles for:

The launch platform of the Sea Launch project cannot be used for launches after the dismantling of foreign equipment, the cost of restoration is estimated at no less than 1 billion rubles, Ivan Moiseev, head of the Institute of Space Policy, told RIA Novosti.

Total = 11 billion rubles.
Now let's see how much the Vostochny spaceport has cost

Roscosmos: the cost of the Vostochny Cosmodrome is estimated at 180 billion rubles

But can this comparison provide any explanation why Roscosmos doesn’t even close to catching up with the USSR’s space, and is currently in third place and first place in stealing budget funds ...

[slipped]

Quote: Stena

To these questions, among the local public, Slipped can most fully answer.

This is not for me to ask, but for the S7 space manual. For now, AK "Siberia" will be engaged in servicing the SL in the port.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Stena

.... is it possible to make manned launches from the Sea Launch ...

It was once planned to transfer manned launches from the Union to Zenit, but these plans have sunk into oblivion. If it were possible to bring these plans to life, then an opportunity would appear for a manned launch from the platform. True, I do not know how much this is needed. Another question is that it is much more profitable to launch cargo from the equator than from Baikonur or Vostochny. For example:
from Baikonur, the Zenit launch vehicle is able to launch 3,8 tons of cargo into commercial or geo-transfer orbit, and up to 6,2 tons when launched from the Sea Launch. Plus, the ability to put into low and medium orbits up to 16 tons of cargo with a wide range of orbital inclinations.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Spade

On the one hand, there should be some alternative to Roscosmos.

What alternative is it if it’s itself

Roskosmos considers the possibility of participating in the resumption of launches from the floating cosmodrome Sea Launch

[Lopatov]

Quote: Piramidon

What an alternative

"Sea Launch" belongs to private owners, the S7 Group.
Alternative in its purest form.

[Disant]

It seems to me that c7 - this has become a cover at the present time, such as Mask + NASA, only in our manner.
Sea launch allows you to launch satellites not only with huge savings, but also those satellites that cannot be launched from Baikonur, Vostochny or Plesetsk - hang reconnaissance or communications in other orbits that cannot be reached from the above cosmodromes.

[Old partisan]

Seen in the East, the entire budget was stolen.
But Baikonur is no longer ours.

[knn54]

ANOTHER object for the "ROSCOSMIC" deriban and rollback.

[Mastodon]

Quote: knn54

ANOTHER object for the "ROSCOSMIC" deriban and rollback.

Listen to you such whiners, so generally raise your hands up and give up to go west in columns ..
Well, you need to start somewhere ..

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Mastodon

Well, you need to start somewhere ..

It's time to finish, and you start! They will be dragged along the Amur to Svobodny, concreted in concrete, and shown according to "Military acceptance".

[Roman123567]

estimate rocket development cost Soyuz-7 for launches from an offshore platform, serial production cost и other costs to start. In addition, the assessment of the competitiveness of Sea Launch in comparison with Baikonur and Vostochny should be analyzed and, most importantly, the cost of repairing the launcher itself the Sea Launch platform and the command ship, as well as maintenance costs.

When there are so many different "values" around - then God himself ordered to do it ..
You can already get a good price on the "estimate" of the cost alone.

PS In our city, so the outcomes "evaluate" .. and "design" .. 10 years already !!
Every year - new assessments and projects .. and new money for all this ..
And the fact that there is no denouement .. well, that’s another matter ..

[sanik2020]

As part of the purchase of Sea Launch, the S7 Group transferred the entire property complex of the project:

But will Russia alone pull such a complex, for some reason, the Americans with the Norwegians left the project? They certainly know how to count money and, as was rightly said, all this iron must be kept, but it is no longer new.

[Yura]

Quote: sanik2020

for some reason, the Americans with the Norwegians left the project?

They don’t have a rocket for this, and the project, then the construction - the United States itself gives the production of rockets to private companies, it’s not serious to talk about Norway in this matter.

[vladimirvn]

..The International Sea Launch Company appeared in 1995 with the participation of the Russian RSC Energia, the American Boeing company, the Norwegian Kvyarner, as well as the Ukrainian enterprises Yuzhnoye and Yuzhmash, which produced a rocket for the cosmodrome. Zenit-3SL ", the only one adapted for launch from a marine spaceport
Today there is no such missile, neither in Ukraine, nor in Russia.

[abrakadabre]

Today there is no such missile, neither in Ukraine, nor in Russia.

Today in Russia there are such missiles. True, they are mine-based and the sea launch did not hit them anywhere.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: sanik2020

And will Russia pull alone such a complex, for some reason, the Americans and the Norwegians left the project?

This should be known to those who "did not pull" the lifting and repair of the PD-50 ...

[Yegorchik]

Roscosmos is an information agency that announces something all the time, but it doesn’t do a damn thing.

[Genry]

Quote: Egorchik

Roscosmos is an information agency that announces something all the time, but it doesn’t do a damn thing.

Please tell us what Roscosmos informed you about? And then only unexpectedly shows its missiles and the city trams quietly produces.

[Mastodon]

Quote: Genry

Quote: Egorchik

Roscosmos is an information agency that announces something all the time, but it doesn’t do a damn thing.

Please tell us what Roscosmos informed you about? And then only unexpectedly shows its missiles and the city trams quietly produces.

Yes, they just have to poke .. Ura shout of course is not worth it, but such panic moods are also not needed .. Men work and this is important!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Egorchik

Roscosmos is an information agency that announces something all the time, but it doesn’t do a damn thing.

Nothing at all
This is for those who have a short memory.

[aszzz888]

. that the launch platform itself and the command ship are currently located in Slavyanka Bay

Yes, there is such a fact. There is a platform in Slavyanka. There will be some kind of exhaust, time will tell.

[mlad]

Sea launch for Russia is a very promising launch, he would have a good rocket, and if reusable. then there was no price for him and hi then Mask

[Mastodon]

Quote: mlad

Sea launch for Russia is a very promising launch, he would have a good rocket, and if reusable. then there was no price for him and hi then Mask

And the most interesting thing is that this platform can be officially brought to the equator or somewhere there, and what we launch there, deploying it will be very annoying for the NATO and not in vain .. Good acquisition for Russia, a little expensive of course, but I think it will pay off

[askort154]

How would not be "a suitcase without a handle." They created 4 states, then they aloof.
Now we need to create a new rocket and structures for it. And the difference in latitude between "Vostochny" and "Slavyanka" is insignificant. Sell ​​it to the DPRK (donate) let "Y" - "Trump" keep in good shape.

[Mastodon]

Quote: askort154

And the difference in latitude between "Vostochny" and "Slavyanka" is insignificant.

Well, don’t tell me, because there you can place radar and electronic warfare systems, etc. And in general, a sort of floating base of the Navy, etc. It will be expensive, but I think Russia's security is worth a lot more with such an aggressive NATO policy.

[askort154]

Mastodon ....Do not tell me, because there you can place radar and electronic warfare, etc. And in general, a sort of floating base of the Navy, etc.

Latitude does not affect this. The latitude of the cosmodrome location significantly affects the flight characteristics of the rocket. The closer to the equator, the greater the linear speed of the Earth's rotation. This is one of the reasons for the creation of "Offshore platforms"
because they can be moved closer to the equator, increase the starting weight, and there is no one to "answer" for the falling steps into the ocean.

[Genry]

Quote: askort154

Now we need to create a new rocket and structures for it.

As if the rocket has already been launched into production: Soyuz-5 "Irtysh" - called (possibly already Soyuz-6). The first launch is expected in 2023. Complex flight tests start in 2024.

Quote: askort154

And the difference in latitude between "Vostochny" and "Slavyanka"

And what is Slavyanka?
There he is only for major repairs - Americans have torn off all their electronics. They will equip them with their equipment - and closer to the Equator ....

[Mastodon]

Quote: Genry

There he is only for major repairs - Americans have torn off all their electronics. They will equip them with their equipment - and closer to the Equator ...

Well, God forbid! And how and why to use it .. There are many options!

[askort154]

Genry .....As if the rocket has already been launched into production: Soyuz-5 "Irtysh" - called (possibly already Soyuz-6). The first launch is expected in 2023. Complex flight tests start in 2024.

I understand you, I want to wishful thinking. But there is BUT.
You think that the "cosmodrome" is like a bandolier - whatever I want, I'll shove it into it. For a sea platform, one needs "one's own" rocket. And only now they are preparing an order for the Progress RCC - to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket, especially for Sea Launch. Moreover, the price should include:
dismantling the platform and preparing it for towing to Slavyanka and the towing itself by a hired vessel and a support team + the cost of its refurbishment (they are planning 1 year, the Americans severely stripped it). The opinions of the "managers" were divided 50 to 50. Some for restoration, others for its metal. These are the prospects.
That is why I wrote that they brought this "miracle", which may turn out to be for Russia, "a suitcase without a handle." In addition, now delivery to Space is becoming cheaper and more competitive.

[Genry]

Quote: askort154

An offshore platform needs "its own" rocket.

Soyuz-5 is the Russian counterpart of the Ukrainian Zenit-3SL. Only special head fairings are needed, depending on the dimensions of the "cargo".

Quote: askort154

And only now they are preparing an order for the Progress RCC - to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket, especially for Sea Launch.

If there is a Soyuz-7, then it is not at all necessary that for the Sea Launch ... This is the line of names of Roscosmos and the third-party / side project is unlikely to be given this name, especially since it is "sacred" - associated with Korolev (rather, they will finally proven, reusable LNG rocket).

Quote: askort154

Moreover, the price should include:
disassembling the platform and preparing it for towing to Slavyanka and towing by the hired vessel and support team + the cost of its restoration

You have a lag of the desired from the actual events. The platform has already been transported and without any disassembly ....
https://ria.ru/20200401/1569424128.html
And this has nothing to do with the cost of the rocket. This will go into calculating the cost of starting up.

Quote: askort154

That is why I wrote that they brought this "miracle", which may turn out to be for Russia, "a suitcase without a handle." In addition, now delivery to Space is becoming cheaper and more competitive.

Roscosmos is not afraid of competition even at the current level of missiles. The problems are more political and the NASA dumping attempt, in the form of fraud with the Mask, is already falling apart before our eyes.
A Sea Launch is very promising ....

[Karaul73]

Soon the name Roskosmos will be associated with British scientists.
They only do as they work out, they dream. Do something when you will, Mr. Rogozin? Although, of course, looking at the stars relaxes and drives you to dreams!

[slipped]

Quote: Sentry73

Do something when you will, Mr. Rogozin?

Is everything all right with your head? Does it hurt? Since the beginning of the year, Russia has been launched into space: a military communications satellite, a navigation satellite, 68 commercial spacecraft, another manned ship, and another cargo ship in turn. Are you few?

[Arthur 85]

I am terribly sorry if you do not plan to launch it from him, then you would have led him immediately to Bangladesh for butchering. And if you are planning (what is right) - what is the article about? And yes. This property in the port of Long Beach must be urgently removed, otherwise with our lawyers, the Stockholm Arbitration Court will award three billion to pay for its storage.

[Genry]

Quote: Arthur 85

This property in the port of Long Beach must be urgently removed, otherwise ...

With defrosting you!
Everything is already in Russia.

[Amateur]

"Sea Launch"

is privately owned by a private airline. Where does Roscosmos want to "cling" to it? He, like any other potential client, will buy launches from S7 when he finally ruins everything in civilian space.
The only thing is that S7 will need to buy a rocket somewhere. Well, now in the world of private "shops" for the production of LV of the light class are already enough. But they can also adapt some Indian "Agni" or something else.

[Genry]

Quote: Amateur

can adapt and some Indian "Agni" or something else.

Oh, these Amateurs ...

[Amateur]

Oh, these, from Roskosmos. How to launch rockets, so questions. And how to track negative reviews in your address - and you won’t have time to pee.
Guys! Please take care of YOUR business!

[PPD]

An interesting sequence is to first invest money, then pay off debts, buy back, etc., well, then

instructed to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket for launches from an offshore platform, the cost of serial production and other costs for launch. In addition, competitiveness assessments should be analyzed ...

[slipped]

Quote: PPD

An interesting sequence is to first invest money, then pay off debts, buy back, etc., well, then

instructed to estimate the cost of developing a Soyuz-7 rocket for launches from an offshore platform, the cost of serial production and other costs for launch. In addition, competitiveness assessments should be analyzed ...

S7 space is a Russian private company that bought a platform and a control vessel for its own money. Now she must equip the platform with controls and a space rocket complex. Therefore, Roskosmos, before offering it to buy its development, the Soyuz-7 spacecraft, must assess whether it is worth the candle. Is this clear?

[PPD]

No, to be honest. So you will buy the platform without calculation?
This is not to run for a loaf of bread?
So why buy a platform if not, in the language of commerce, a clear business plan?
Although the owner-master :: - "He wants tea, he wants to strangle himself."

[steelmaker]

And how did the USSR and Russia manage without a sea launch for 60 years? When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the balls, and when Roskosmos has nowhere to go for money, he buys Sea Launch!

[slipped]

Quote: steel maker

he "Sea Launch" buys!

He doesn't buy Sea Launch. He wants to sell them a rocket and control system.

[Genry]

Quote: slipped

He wants to sell them a rocket and control system.

And information support services for launches and allocation of orbits. Can give their orders ...

[APASUS]

It turns out to be a multi-move. Roscosmos agreed to the campaign with a private trader S7, who bought the Sea Launch in the USA.

[Old26]

Quote: Mastodon

And the most interesting thing is that this platform can be officially brought to the equator or somewhere there, and what we launch there, deploying it will be very annoying for the NATO and not in vain .. Good acquisition for Russia, a little expensive of course, but I think it will pay off

Yes, "Sea Launch" will not strain anyone, especially NATO members. Everyone understands perfectly well that, apart from launching satellites, this complex is not suitable for anything else.

Quote: askort154

And the difference in latitude between "Vostochny" and "Slavyanka" is insignificant.

And none of the "Slavyanka" launches are going to carry out. While this is only a home base and nothing more.

[da Vinci]

While they make a rocket - the platform will go into repair or fall apart. Then 3-5 years to build a platform ... At this time, countries will develop commercially viable reusable missiles such as SpaceX. Russia will continue to stagnate on the spot with a project founded in 1995.