New information appeared on the timing of tests of the Zircon missile from the submarine

The first tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the side of a nuclear submarine (NPS) are planned for 2024-2025. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.

According to the source, the first tests of hypersonic Zircon are planned to be carried out in 2024-2025. The test will be attended by a nuclear submarine of project 885M Ash, which will be upgraded to this missile.

The first tests of the Zircon from the submarine are possible at the turn of 2024-2025. Project 885M will be upgraded to use this missile system

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Note that this information is contrary to the plans recently announced by the TASS agency for putting the Zircon hypersonic missile into service. The Agency, also relying on the words of its source from the defense industry complex, reported that according to the plans for testing rockets from the surface of the ship (frigate Admiral Gorshkov) they should pass in 2020, after which the next year, in 2021, test launches of Zircon will be carried out with the sides of the nuclear submarine, and in 2022 the missile should be adopted.

In 2021, tests of the Zircon will continue from the side of the submarine. The first launch of the rocket will be carried out from the surface, the second - from underwater. The test will be attended by a multipurpose submarine of project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk"

- TASS source said.

Further plans for testing the Zircon hypersonic rocket were not announced, the rocket developer - NPO Mashinostroyeniya - declined to comment on this information.

Thus, we can state that at the moment we do not have reliable information on tests of the Zircon hypersonic missiles. Therefore, we will wait for official statements by the developer or the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Sergei 777]

But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same? Then what is the upgrade?

[jonht]

Launchers are not the main thing here, the equipment is more important, and it most likely needs to be adapted or changed.
And the fact that they call different terms is even good, even if they scratch their torn turnips.

[venik]

Quote: jonht

Launchers are not the main thing here, the equipment is more important, and it most likely needs to be adapted or changed.

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Maybe so! Or maybe the launchers themselves need to be "strengthened" or "strengthened"? Actually, this is precisely why tests are carried out! In the meantime, we can only "guess on the coffee grounds" ....
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Quote: jonht

But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same? Then what is the upgrade?

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I dare to assume that they are likely to be "the same", only slightly different from those that are NOW .....

[jonht]

I can be mistaken, I don’t remember exactly, but the start with the UPKS is hot, on a flick charge, something like a minute. A change in load with the same mass should not affect the charge power, and minor changes in mass, too. Although if at the same dimensions we have a significant increase in mass, it is possible and necessary to increase the power of the knockout charge, and therefore increase the strength of the structure. But to increase the strength without reworking the entire UPKS does not work. Consequently, they should have provided for the option of enhancing the kick charge. And if so, then the BIOS and the hardware of the UPKS itself need to be amended or the entire blocks changed. Therefore, I assume that they are now engaged in interfacing with BIOS, UKPS equipment and parameters of the new load.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sergey 777

But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same?

This is a journalistic talk. PUs are, as it were, nominally identical, but under Zircon they need to be further developed.
In addition, it is necessary to refine the control system - not all of our surface ships can use both Caliber and Onyx at the same time. Part of the ships is only Caliber. This is done to simplify and reduce the cost of the control system.

[Doccor18]

Ministry of Defense Press Service
should voice such news.
Either there or not. And the rest is just speculation, speculation and speculation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Doccor18

And the rest is just speculation, speculation and speculation.

And confusing the enemy.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Piramidon

And confusing the enemy.

rather, only their own people. Enemy intelligence has much more sources of information (besides - better), as well as analytical cents, and form their own vision of the situation. In intelligence, they do not believe recklessly on what they write in the press, they believe their calculations there.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Note that this information runs counter to the plans recently announced by the TASS agency to put the Zircon hypersonic missile into service.

"I want to twist and twist to confuse!"

[Cottodraton]

Why tell anyone about it at all? Can I send the drawings of the product to "friends" right away?
When they will, then they will. Who needs to know, and who doesn’t need, let them go on smoking ...

[Nikolaevich I]

The trend, however! "Shift" dates to the right "!

[Chingachguk]

What a hanging carrot in front of the nose and not a rocket ....... But is it easier to remake the entire submarine as a rocket than the rocket itself as the launch of this submarine? Something strange is happening here ....

[Dart2027]

Quote: Chingachguk

This submarine is under a missile than the missile itself under the launch of this submarine

Po PU they are standardized, so management will be upgraded.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Chingachguk

Is it easier to remake the entire submarine under the missile than the missile itself under the launch of this submarine?

firstly, not the whole boat. Only in terms of control panel and control system equipment.
secondly, the rocket is unified. Or do you offer to make your own rocket for each type of carrier? Rave)

[Chingachguk]

Thanks to the specialist for the explanation. Now I won’t rave.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Chingachguk

Thanks to the specialist for the explanation. Now I won’t rave.

after all, this is logical and by itself implies that the rocket for various carriers should be as unified as possible. A missile for use with surface ships and submarines should differ from the aircraft only by the presence of a launch booster. Missiles for submarines and NK should also have minimal differences associated only with the possibility of launching from an underwater position.

[Mountain shooter]

In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as were the discussion of plans ... Maybe it is worth remembering all this ... keeping everything tightly classified ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... keeping everything secret ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

Conflicting information is also one way to mislead the adversary.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to classify everything tightly ...

What's the point? All tests are calmly taken from satellites.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as were the discussion of plans ... Maybe it is worth remembering all this ... keeping everything tightly classified ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

Believe it or not, the "partners" knew practically everything even in deep Soviet times.

They managed to determine the location of the plant for the production of nuclear warheads in Nizhny Tur (now ZATo Lesnoy) from photographs of the magazines Ogonyok ...

It’s just that if you are not familiar with indirect intelligence methods, you don’t understand what this is about ...


Read it ...
It is written in a philistine language ...
But if you understand the cause-effect relationship, then you will understand the essence of analytics ... And in what indirect segments it can work ...

https://visualhistory.livejournal.com/1013093.html

[SovAr238A]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as were the discussion of plans ... Maybe it is worth remembering all this ... keeping everything tightly classified ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

Believe it or not, the "partners" knew practically everything even in deep Soviet times.

They managed to determine the location of the plant for the production of nuclear warheads in Nizhny Tur (now ZATo Lesnoy) from photographs of the magazines Ogonyok ...

It’s just that if you are not familiar with indirect intelligence methods, you don’t understand what this is about ...


Read it ...
It is written in a philistine language ...
But if you understand the cause-effect relationship, then you will understand the essence of analytics ... And in what indirect segments it can work ...

https://visualhistory.livejournal.com/1013093.html

And yes, there is a quote in the text
"The only serious documents on the Urals energy region as a whole were two intelligence reports made in 1944 for the German General Staff."

Those. even during the war, someone made a report for German intelligence when there was no space and aviation access to the Urals. So it was the Vrpazha spies, our traitors. Even during 1944 they were. Therefore, they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. and they are now.

[pmkemcity]

Something in tune - zirconium, chicory ... I remembered:

[Ros 56]

Here are all 17 special services of striped little heads breaking themselves, but where is it?

[askort154]

Thus, we can state that at the moment we do not have reliable information on tests of the Zircon hypersonic missiles. Therefore, we will wait for official statements by the developer or the Ministry of Defense.


Article, blah, blah - just to occupy the band. It took so many letters to print to make the right conclusion, only in the last four lines.

[sanik2020]

Article, blah, blah - just to occupy the band. It took so many letters to print to make the right conclusion, only in the last four lines

And it is true that discussing there is money — there is testing, there is no money — there is no testing, and when they do everything and show.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sanik2020

there is money, there is test, no money

it's not just about money. A hypersonic missile is a new thing, anything can come out, anything that cannot be foreseen, so giving accurate predictions about the course of the tests is already stupid.
What they wrote in the comments on the previously announced news about the timing of the adoption of the missile into service

[bars1]

In the USA they breathed a sigh of relief!

[Old26]

Quote: jonht

And the fact that they call different terms is even good, even if they scratch their torn turnips.

First of all, we scratch our turnips, confused in terms. One speaks one, the second the second, the third - the third. Etc.

Quote: Dart2027

Po PU they are standardized, so management will be upgraded.

And what, when making a new boat, it is impossible to take care of management in advance? After all, about "Zircon". as well as about "Ash", on which she incl. will be based say for 5-7 years at least?

Quote: Mountain Shooter

In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as were the discussion of plans ... Maybe it is worth remembering all this ... keeping everything tightly classified ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

Believe it or not, the classification concerned primarily informing its own population. Our "sworn friends" monitored all stages of the tests, filmed telemetry whenever possible. Yes, at the initial stage, they could be mistaken with the type, purpose of this or that missile, but over time the information was supplemented. Newly tested missiles were even given their own designations so as not to overload their own designation system. In addition, strategic systems were shown according to the contracts, inspection of the other side. And his own people, yes - everything was secret for him and he often knew his own weapon systems by Western designations, especially missiles and the fleet

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... keeping everything secret ... let the "partners" have a boil ...

Conflicting information is also one way to mislead the adversary.

Yes, if he does not have more accurate information than you and I. I don’t know how an adversary, but we are already completely confused ...

Quote: Ros 56

Here are all 17 special services of striped little heads breaking themselves, but where is it?

We are breaking it. not them. They probably already have images of this "Zircon" (at least drawings - for sure). And more or less refined performance characteristics ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Old26

But what, making a new boat impossible to take care of in advance?

And how can you put something that has not yet been adopted? Only after all tests are completed.

[Old26]

Quote: Dart2027

And how can you put something that has not yet been adopted? Only after all tests are completed.

Well, and you can't test the fire control devices either? None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles, even as far as we know, there were no such tests, and nevertheless, there is not a word about upgrading the same Ash trees to Onyx. A priori, it is believed that such systems already exist, even without testing. And with "Zircon" there is a problem.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Old26

None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles

in my opinion, "Onyxes" are being tested on the nuclear submarine K-560 "Severodvinsk" pr.885 "Yasen"

[Dart2027]

Quote: Old26

Well, is it impossible to test firing devices?

And where will these devices come from if the rocket has not yet been adopted for service? By rocket, I mean not only the rocket itself, but the entire complex as a whole. Now they are testing it, according to the test results, they are finalizing it, and accordingly the management is finalizing. This is normal, it should be so.

Quote: Old26

there is not a word about how to modernize the same "Ash" under the "Onyx".

In fact, they can be used there, initially, so nothing needs to be modified.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Old26

None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles

in addition to my previous comment. The photo shows a detail of the SM-343 launcher for the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine, the photo was taken in 2013 at the Obukhov plant.

As you can see, the launcher of this nuclear submarine is designed to accommodate 4 missiles. P-800 "Onyx". More "smaller" "Calibers" in the PU boat should fit five.