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New information appeared on the timing of tests of the Zircon missile from the submarine

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New information appeared on the timing of tests of the Zircon missile from the submarine

The first tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile from the side of a nuclear submarine (NPS) are planned for 2024-2025. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the Russian military-industrial complex.


According to the source, the first tests of hypersonic Zircon are planned to be carried out in 2024-2025. The test will be attended by a nuclear submarine of project 885M Ash, which will be upgraded to this missile.

The first tests of the Zircon from the submarine are possible at the turn of 2024-2025. Project 885M will be upgraded to use this missile system

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Note that this information is contrary to the plans recently announced by the TASS agency for putting the Zircon hypersonic missile into service. The Agency, also relying on the words of its source from the defense industry complex, reported that according to the plans for testing rockets from the surface of the ship (frigate Admiral Gorshkov) they should pass in 2020, after which the next year, in 2021, test launches of Zircon will be carried out with the sides of the nuclear submarine, and in 2022 the missile should be adopted.

In 2021, tests of the Zircon will continue from the side of the submarine. The first launch of the rocket will be carried out from the surface, the second - from underwater. The test will be attended by a multipurpose submarine of project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk"

- TASS source said.

Further plans for testing the Zircon hypersonic rocket were not announced, the rocket developer - NPO Mashinostroyeniya - declined to comment on this information.

Thus, we can state that at the moment we do not have reliable information on tests of the Zircon hypersonic missiles. Therefore, we will wait for official statements by the developer or the Ministry of Defense.
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  1. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 April 14 2020 09: 27 New
    +1
    But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same? Then what is the upgrade?
    1. jonht
      jonht April 14 2020 09: 34 New
      +5
      Launchers are not the main thing here, the equipment is more important, and it most likely needs to be adapted or changed.
      And the fact that they call different terms is even good, even if they scratch their torn turnips. hi
      1. venik
        venik April 14 2020 12: 37 New
        0
        Quote: jonht
        Launchers are not the main thing here, the equipment is more important, and it most likely needs to be adapted or changed.

        =======
        Maybe so! Or maybe the launchers themselves need to be “strengthened" or "strengthened"? Actually, for this, they conduct tests! In the meantime, we have to "guess at the coffee grounds" .... drinks
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        Quote: jonht
        But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same? Then what is the upgrade?

        =======
        I dare to assume that they will surely be "the same", only slightly different from those that are NOW ..... hi
        1. jonht
          jonht April 15 2020 02: 05 New
          +1
          I can be mistaken, I don’t remember exactly, but the start with the UPKS is hot, on a flick charge, something like a minute. A change in load with the same mass should not affect the charge power, and minor changes in mass, too. Although if at the same dimensions we have a significant increase in mass, it is possible and necessary to increase the power of the knockout charge, and therefore increase the strength of the structure. But to increase the strength without reworking the entire UPKS does not work. Consequently, they should have provided for the option of enhancing the kick charge. And if so, then the BIOS and the hardware of the UPKS itself need to be amended or the entire blocks changed. Therefore, I assume that they are now engaged in interfacing with BIOS, UKPS equipment and parameters of the new load.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 14 2020 11: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey 777
      But what about the words that the launchers for calibers, onyx and zircon are the same?

      This is a journalistic talk. PUs are, as it were, nominally identical, but under Zircon they need to be further developed.
      In addition, it is necessary to refine the control system - not all of our surface ships can use both Caliber and Onyx at the same time. Part of the ships is only Caliber. This is done to simplify and reduce the cost of the control system.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 14 2020 09: 29 New
    +6
    Ministry of Defense Press Service
    should voice such news.
    Either there or not. And the rest is just speculation, speculation and speculation.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 14 2020 10: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      And the rest is just speculation, speculation and speculation.

      And confusing the enemy.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 14 2020 11: 35 New
        -3
        Quote: Piramidon
        And confusing the enemy.

        rather, only their own people. Enemy intelligence has much more sources of information (besides - better), as well as analytical cents, and form their own vision of the situation. In intelligence, they do not believe recklessly on what they write in the press, they believe their calculations there.
  3. IGOR GORDEEV
    IGOR GORDEEV April 14 2020 09: 29 New
    0

    It should be noted that this information contradicts recently announced plans by the TASS agency for putting the Zircon hypersonic missile into service.

    "I twist and twist I want to confuse!"
  4. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 14 2020 09: 36 New
    0
    Why bother talking to anyone about this? Can immediately send "drawings" of the product to "friends"?
    When they will, then they will. Who needs to know, and who doesn’t need, let them go on smoking ...
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 14 2020 09: 39 New
    -1
    The trend, however! "Shift" timelines to the right "! request
  6. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 14 2020 09: 40 New
    -3
    What a hanging carrot in front of the nose and not a rocket ....... But is it easier to remake the entire submarine as a rocket than the rocket itself as the launch of this submarine? Something strange is happening here ....
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 14 2020 10: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Chingachguk
      This submarine is under a missile than the missile itself under the launch of this submarine

      Po PU they are standardized, so management will be upgraded.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 14 2020 11: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Chingachguk
      Is it easier to remake the entire submarine under the missile than the missile itself under the launch of this submarine?

      firstly, not the whole boat. Only in terms of control panel and control system equipment.
      secondly, the rocket is unified. Or do you offer to make your own rocket for each type of carrier? Rave)
      1. Chingachguk
        Chingachguk April 14 2020 14: 36 New
        -1
        Thanks to the specialist for the explanation. Now I won’t rave.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 14 2020 15: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: Chingachguk
          Thanks to the specialist for the explanation. Now I won’t rave.

          after all, this is logical and by itself implies that the rocket for various carriers should be as unified as possible. A missile for use with surface ships and submarines should differ from the aircraft only by the presence of a launch booster. Missiles for submarines and NK should also have minimal differences associated only with the possibility of launching from an underwater position.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 14 2020 09: 42 New
    0
    In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as well as discussion of plans ... Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to keep secret all tight ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 14 2020 10: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to classify everything tightly ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...

      Conflicting information is also one way to mislead the adversary.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 14 2020 10: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to classify everything tightly ...

      What's the point? All tests are calmly taken from satellites.
    3. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 14 2020 22: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as well as discussion of plans ... Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to keep secret all tight ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...

      You will not believe it, but the “partners” even in the deep Soviet times knew practically everything.

      They managed to determine the location of the plant for the production of nuclear warheads in Nizhny Tur (now ZATo Lesnoy) from photographs of the magazines Ogonyok ...

      It’s just that if you are not familiar with indirect intelligence methods, you don’t understand what this is about ...


      Read it ...
      It is written in a philistine language ...
      But if you understand the cause-effect relationship, then you will understand the essence of analytics ... And in what indirect segments it can work ...

      https://visualhistory.livejournal.com/1013093.html
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 14 2020 22: 30 New
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as well as discussion of plans ... Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to keep secret all tight ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...

        You will not believe it, but the “partners” even in the deep Soviet times knew practically everything.

        They managed to determine the location of the plant for the production of nuclear warheads in Nizhny Tur (now ZATo Lesnoy) from photographs of the magazines Ogonyok ...

        It’s just that if you are not familiar with indirect intelligence methods, you don’t understand what this is about ...


        Read it ...
        It is written in a philistine language ...
        But if you understand the cause-effect relationship, then you will understand the essence of analytics ... And in what indirect segments it can work ...

        https://visualhistory.livejournal.com/1013093.html



        And yes, there is a quote in the text
        "The only serious documents on the Ural energy region as a whole were two intelligence reports made in 1944 for the German General Staff."

        Those. even during the war, someone made a report for German intelligence when there was no space and aviation access to the Urals. So it was the Vrpazha spies, our traitors. Even during 1944 they were. Therefore, they were in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. and they are now.
  8. pmkemcity
    pmkemcity April 14 2020 09: 51 New
    0
    Something in tune - zirconium, chicory ... I remembered:
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 14 2020 09: 58 New
    +1
    Here are all 17 special services of striped little heads breaking themselves, but where is it? lol
  10. askort154
    askort154 April 14 2020 10: 07 New
    +3
    Thus, it can be stated that at the moment we do not have reliable information on testing the Zircon hypersonic missile. Therefore, we will wait for the official statements of the developer or the Ministry of Defense.


    Article, blah, blah - just to occupy the band. It took so many letters to print to make the right conclusion, only in the last four lines.
  11. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 14 2020 10: 28 New
    -2
    Article, blah, blah - just to occupy the band. It took so many letters to print to make the right conclusion, only in the last four lines

    And it is true that discussing there is money — there is testing, there is no money — there is no testing, and when they do everything and show.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 14 2020 11: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: sanik2020
      there is money, there is test, no money

      it's not just about money. A hypersonic missile is a new thing, anything can come out, anything that cannot be foreseen, so giving accurate predictions about the course of the tests is already stupid.
      What they wrote in the comments on the previously announced news about the timing of the adoption of the missile into service
  12. bars1
    bars1 April 14 2020 10: 47 New
    -1
    In the USA they breathed a sigh of relief!
  13. Old26
    Old26 April 14 2020 12: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: jonht
    And the fact that they call different terms is even good, even if they scratch their torn turnips.

    First of all, we scratch our turnips, confused in terms. One speaks one, the second the second, the third - the third. Etc.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Po PU they are standardized, so management will be upgraded.

    But what, making a new boat impossible to take care of in advance? After all, about the Zircon. as well as about the "Ash", on which she, including Will they say they will be at least 5-7 years old?

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    In the days of the USSR, such discussions were impossible, as well as discussion of plans ... Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to keep secret all tight ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...

    You will not believe it, but the secret was primarily about informing your own population. Our "sworn friends" monitored all stages of the tests, and removed telemetry whenever possible. Yes, at the initial stage, they could be mistaken with the type and purpose of a particular missile, but over time the information was supplemented. The newly tested missiles were even given their own notation so as not to overload their own notation. In addition, strategic systems were shown according to the contracts of the inspection of the other side. And his own people, yes - everything was secret for him, and he often knew his own weapon systems by Western designations, especially missiles and fleets

    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Maybe it’s worth remembering all this ... to classify everything tightly ... let the brains of the “partners” boil ...

    Conflicting information is also one way to mislead the adversary.

    Yes, if he does not have more accurate information than you and I. I don’t know how an adversary, but we are already completely confused ...

    Quote: Ros 56
    Here are all 17 special services of striped little heads breaking themselves, but where is it? lol

    This we break. not them. They probably already have images of this "Zircon" (at least the drawings - for sure). And more or less specified TTX ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 14 2020 13: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      But what, making a new boat impossible to take care of in advance?

      And how can you put something that has not yet been adopted? Only after all tests are completed.
  14. Old26
    Old26 April 14 2020 13: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    And how can you put something that has not yet been adopted? Only after all tests are completed.

    Well, is it impossible to test firing devices? None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles, as far as there are no such tests, and yet there is not a word about upgrading the same Ash-trees to Onyxes. A priori, it is believed that such systems already exist, even without testing. And with "Zircon" there is a problem.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 14 2020 17: 06 New
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles

      in my opinion, the Onyxs are undergoing trial operation on the K-560 Severodvinsk nuclear submarine, pr.885 Yasen
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 14 2020 20: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Well, is it impossible to test firing devices?

      And where will these devices come from if the rocket has not yet been adopted for service? By rocket, I mean not only the rocket itself, but the entire complex as a whole. Now they are testing it, according to the test results, they are finalizing it, and accordingly the management is finalizing. This is normal, it should be so.
      Quote: Old26
      there is not a word about how to modernize the same Ash-trees under Onyx.

      In fact, they can be used there, initially, so nothing needs to be modified.
    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 14 2020 22: 14 New
      -2
      Quote: Old26
      None of our boats use the same Onyx anti-ship missiles

      in addition to my previous comment. In the photo is a detail of the SM-343 launcher for the Severodvinsk nuclear submarine, a photograph was taken in 2013 at the Obukhov plant.

      As you can see, the launcher of this submarine is designed to accommodate 4 missiles. P-800 "Onyx". More "smaller" "Gauges" in the PU of the boat should fit five.