Russia has announced the readiness of many employers to cut salaries for their employees

The constant exaggeration of information about coronavirus, which spreads around the world and mows people, brings its economic benefits. As expected, any economic problems are now associated with the pandemic. Our country is no exception.

Newspaper "News"Referring to research on the HH.ru job search and job placement service, he writes that 27% of Russian companies planned a reduction in employee salaries in the next six months. 23% said wage cuts had already affected them.

In addition, about 12% declared "the need to reduce staff", and another 25% admitted such an opportunity.

Thus, we have to admit that the so-called “Singapore litmus test” continues to work. In Singapore, the trends in which are a reflection (or even harbingers) of what is happening in the global economy, a few weeks ago it was announced that salary cuts could not be avoided. However, the case with Singapore is special due to the fact that even the employees of private companies (and the vast majority of them there) intend to compensate for part of the losses from lowering wages by employers. Are Russia ready to take such a step? While this question remains unanswered.

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[Million]

So they are always ready for this!
So the case turned up ..

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Million

So they are always ready for this!

Ugums. At the same time, they will also be reduced by those who have only become richer from the crisis.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

A holy place does not happen empty. Instead of bankrupt companies (so I think unpromising companies, because business should be resourceful and take such risks into account), new ones will come with a better approach to their business. Natural selection.

[Svarog]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

A holy place does not happen empty. Instead of ruined (I think, unpromising companies, because business should be quirky

More resourceful business than in Russia is difficult to find .. how much they just do not pervert in order to survive .. but the state will win them all the same, not by taxes, so by constant crises ..

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

new ones will come with a better approach to their business. Natural selection.

It was already. We have already seen this. Enough.
Some cannibal NOTnatural selection.

[DMB 75]

Quote: Million

So they are always ready for this!
So the case turned up ..

Yes, very on time.
"The wealth of the bourgeoisie is growing. Poverty and the need of the proletariat and the masses of ruinous small proprietors, peasants, artisans, and small merchants are growing."
For more than a century it was said, but as it is today ...

[Snail N9]

We have, already officially, from April 1, salary - "only salary" - no bonuses and surcharges. And this is minus 30%. And no one canceled the interest on loans and mortgages, just like housing and communal services, yesterday, pays for housing and communal services, and fat on loans and mortgages was on March 20. so that pay and do not "buzz"

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Snail N9

We have, already officially, from April 1, salary - "only salary" - no bonuses and surcharges. And this is minus 30%.

I am engaged in construction. I had to reformat all the work. Large objects are still standing. Small ones, where teams of 5-12 people each, work by agreement with the customer and the teams themselves. As practice has long shown, stopping a large object for a week, for a month is not even critical. It is critical for the object to stop the small orders by the terms of salaries and people. Therefore, I suggested that the teams themselves decide whether they will work or sit at home. On small objects where there is no crowding, almost everyone decided to work.
Moreover, I had to expand the field of small orders - people need to work. Something that had previously been planned for the summer has now begun. Somewhere brigades strengthened from 4-5 people to 10-12. The metalwork preparation workshop is operating as before - 3-5 people work there, even smoking rooms are allowed to be equipped near the workplace, so that 20 people do not go to the crowds.

The salary comes from the completed volumes, so I practically do not have the concept of "increase" or "decrease". If only office touches - but I do not think to reduce. If things get really bad, I think it's better to give them an extra day off temporarily. They have an hourly service, so the office will be temporarily damaged, the workers practically do not care. They work - they get it. Sitting at home - no.

In general, I think we will survive. Almost everyone who wants to work for me so far. We survived 1998, we survived 2008, and now, I think, we will not fall apart.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Million

So they are always ready for this!
So the case turned up ..

The case turned up to find out if Russian employers are really ready to go for ... ???

[Snail N9]

What place did banks turn to customers who took loans from them?

Borrowers who have lost their income feel cheated - not everyone can get a respite from the banks.
With the credit holidays, everything went quite differently from what those who found themselves unemployed presented when they heard the president’s appeal on March 25. "Fontanka" fixes mass complaints that banks relate to their cries for help much less carefully than this might be expected.

The Central Bank of the Russian Federation states: only 15 out of every hundred applications for credit holidays receive approval, although there is only one pandemic. The head of the department Elvira Nabiullina gives specific figures: in the first week of April alone, banks received 76 thousand applications. Only 11,5 thousand borrowers received credit holidays.

Behind each of the failures are living people. Probably, among them there really are scammers, about which the last week the banks sent out press releases. But there is no doubt that the vast majority of applicants have really lost income and they really have nothing to pay loans.

All they ask is a break. So that their plight is not exacerbated. After all, refusal of a credit vacation means that late payment immediately turns into huge fines, and debts begin to grow like a snowball. And if so far people have a problem only in a temporary decrease in income, then this is one thing. But if all this goes on, then in a month or two we will talk about the need to sell property and move out of mortgage apartments. The banking industry can wait for a wave of personal bankruptcies and the transition of tens and hundreds of thousands of so far simply overdue debts into the category of bad ones.

An additional caveat: none of them asks for money. No one asks to forgive debts. Everyone understands that during the holidays they will be charged interest (this is prescribed by law), that is, this is not a free service at all. Even in a difficult situation for customers, banks receive income.

https://www.fontanka.ru/2020/04/13/69088897/print.html

[WIKI]

Quote: Million

So they are always ready for this!
So the case turned up ..

Interesting! And when the opportunity comes to raise salary. So we live from case to case. Not a single system.

[Van 16]

Unfortunately, in this situation, our state has taken on mainly punitive functions. All the promised buns, firstly, remain only on paper, secondly, try to get them again. But fines for violating this incomprehensible regime of HZ arrive here and now.

[Grandfather]

Russia has announced the readiness of many employers to cut salaries for their employees

We’re sitting at home, it’s clear that we’ll get what the hell .... didn’t do anything, why pay? Putin, respect and respect, great invented how to get rid of excess people.

[Doccor18]

Already...
Already reduced sn by 25-50%, someone on vacation without saving, someone on their own. In our city, the richest plant pays 100% only to those who work, who sit at home 50%.
The rest are even worse.

[vladimirvn]

Quote: Doccor18

Already...
Already reduced sn by 25-50%, someone on vacation without saving, someone on their own. In our city, the richest plant pays 100% only to those who work, who sit at home 50%.
The rest are even worse.

But what about the presidential word? He probably doesn’t know this. Oh, those boyars who do not report to him.

[Doccor18]

Yes, yes, they spoke about the presidential decree, but they were answered,
Who gave the decree, let him pay.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Dead Day

We’re sitting at home, it’s clear that we’ll get what the hell .... didn’t do anything, why pay?

I completely agree with this part of your comment. If we take as an example of an employer not a state institution, but a small business entity, a cafe, a car service or some shoemaker's workshop that lives with far from space proceeds, then what will you order the owner who was forbidden to work during the quarantine period? Nobody canceled the lease, the salary is legally obliged to pay. The government offers employers to take out a loan to pay off debts under the salary. With the same success, a small business owner can sell an apartment / car / cottage and distribute money, albeit forcedly, to non-working employees. How long will it last? And it is far from a fact that after the abolition of quarantine everything will return to normal. Another option is to close and people "in slippers in the cold" with the registration of an official dismissal. In my opinion, it is better to cut salaries or leave employees without pay with some kind of allowance to maintain their pants than to completely close the business.
And about the second part of your comment:

Quote: Dead Day

Putin, respect and respect, great invented how to get rid of excess people.
Do you really think that he needs it?

[Galleon]

Quote: Polite Elk

No one canceled the lease

I'll put my penny on rent. I work in the shopping center (operation service). We do not take the rent until October, and tenants will pay off the resulting debt in installments over the course of 22 and 23 years. This is in accordance with the order of the government.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Galleon

and the resulting debt, the tenants will repay in installments over the course of 22 and 23 years.

Deferral of payment is certainly not a bad support for the unemployed. But this is just a respite. And God forbid that everyone who has now turned off activities, after quarantine is over, resume it with a vengeance and pay off all debts with little effort. But it is unlikely that this will work out for everyone.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Polite Elk

Deferral of payment is certainly not a bad support for the unemployed. But this is just a respite.

Liberals on television come from evil that this is another trick of the regime to enslave business and more ...
They, as usual, "we play here, we don't play here, but here we wrap the fish." They forget that this is not only a DELAY, but also an INSTALLMENT. Now people do not work, they have nothing to pay rent - they will pay later in installments.

Regarding me personally - for me, practically nothing will change. I rent construction equipment. Crying, mainly for the entire rental period (several months), or quarterly (if the equipment is rented for a year or two). It is cheaper to pay for longer periods (rent is lower) than to calculate daily whether it worked or not. On equipment that cannot be evacuated or transferred to another object, it will not work out quickly (tower cranes, for example), of course, money is lost for downtime, but it is not critical, because, again, they are rented for a long time and for 11 months of work the tower a crane or scraper easily compensates for what is lost in one month of inactivity.

I don’t know how in other areas - for example, I have never been involved in trade. Maybe in trade, simple and critical in terms of rent. Although, I think, the same "Auchan" on such a weekend, in general, also does not care. And small trade - like "convenience store" - they sell food. Everyone is working. The proceeds are coming.

[o_zotov]

Quote: Polite Elk

Do you really think that he needs it?

Extra pensioners (who lived after 65) give nothing and only take away the resource from the necessary pensioners from the Russian Guard, who also need to get apartments.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: o_zotov

Extra pensioners (who lived after 65) give nothing and only take away the resource from the necessary pensioners from the Russian Guard, who also need to get apartments.

"Superfluous pensioners" - do not forget, they also make up a fairly large stratum of voters. They also influence the electoral opinion of their family members.
And it’s not entirely clear to me how a decrease in salaries in the workplace or in the service sector can affect the change in the number of these pensioners. The decline in production will hit primarily people aged 50-65 years. They are the very opa threatens.

[o_zotov]

Quote: Polite Elk

"Superfluous pensioners" - do not forget, they also make up a fairly large stratum of voters. AND

Well, Putin will receive not 146%, but 128% - the loss is not great.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: o_zotov

Well, Putin will receive not 146%, but 128% - the loss is not great.

As they say in Odessa: "Hochma said a second time is no longer Hochma." I'm sure that on the next. the elections, percent will be exactly 100. And the calculators of the amount of percentages will take a preliminary exam in arithmetic. Commissions from the former work of the GDP.
And as for the election process itself, or rather a skeptical or optimistic point of view on it and the reliability of the results, in my opinion, the mood in society is much more important for any government here. As an example, I can give Gaddafi, Hussein and Maduro. Captured in full (Maduro a little less). Despite any ratings.

[ancient]

Quote: Dead Day

didn’t do anything, why pay?

This is for those who work .. "by hand".
And for those who ..... head?
The senior was reduced by 20%, the junior by 30%, and the "volume" was increased several times.
Both are sitting on a remote site ... when they used to work normally, they also finished the working day, in principle .. normal, but now if they finish by 24 .... it's good.
In short, the "scheme" ... to be stunned. .Ostap Bender in a coffin turns over with envy

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Navat

And what should the state do? There is no money in the budget, but the lads disagree with the military to reduce the military budget ...

You can, for example, reduce the item "general government spending". Translated into Russian - the content of bureaucrats. It is heavier than the national defense in general.

[Svarog]

Quote: Lannan Shi

You can, for example, reduce the item "general government spending". Translated into Russian - the content of bureaucrats

The people will eat up the last crust of bread, but these will not reduce anything for themselves .. they will add, yes .. but it’s not their rule to cut their beloved. They work day and night .. they all think about Russia .. and the results of their activities are already fully felt by the country's population ..

[Navat]

Svarog, If everything was so bad, then the people would not vote so convincingly for the GDP. After all, people are not. In addition, for the sake of the annexation of the Crimea, I am ready to pay any costs

[Varyag71]

And is he ready to endure the health and life of his relatives ?!

[Navat]

Are you ready to abandon the Crimea? We are such a people, for us the greatness of the country is primarily in the size of the territory and in military force. Have you noticed how, after the liberation of Crimea, people seemed to have grown wings?

[Gardamir]

Are you ready to abandon the Crimea

Your brain has been washed, already gleaming. Why is Crimea more Russian than Kharkov? Oh yeah, nikitka and other-other.

[Varyag71]

Hmm ... Not even a word.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Navat

Are you ready to abandon the Crimea?

You ask this question to the Far East who have never been to Crimea and never will go there (because it’s cheaper and more comfortable to fly to Thailand with Vietnam). Do they really need him ?!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Greenwood

Quote: Navat

Are you ready to abandon the Crimea?

You ask this question to the Far East who have never been to Crimea and never will go there (because it’s cheaper and more comfortable to fly to Thailand with Vietnam). Do they really need him ?!

Do you consider Crimea only as a beach, where you can warm your ass? Yes, Crimea would not have gone to Russia, now we would have had an American naval base in a neighboring yard. And how much we Svidomo paid for finding the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, did not count? Distribute everything where you do not eat?
If you think about it, then why does a resident of the European part of Russia need the Far East, if they never go there?

[Greenwood]

Do I understand correctly, the only reason why Crimea left in Russia is the fear of Putin’s government over the American base?

Quote: Piramidon

now we would have an American naval base in a neighboring yard.

What prevented her from being created in the 90s or during the time of the pro-Western Yushchenko?
And why, in addition to Crimea, didn’t they take away the Donbass, which was so requested and is still being requested to be part of the Russian Federation?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Greenwood

Do I understand correctly, the only reason why Crimea left in Russia is the fear of Putin’s government over the American base?

You do not understand correctly. The main reason is the desire of the majority of Crimean residents to join Russia, and the Russian government helped to realize this desire, especially since the interest was mutual.

What prevented her from being created in the 90s or during the time of the pro-Western Yushchenko?

Question to Yushchenko and the US State Department. But the protests of the Crimeans did matter. It should be borne in mind that the Yushchenko’s government was not as bloodthirsty as the Poroshenko’s government, which would have set up a meat grinder worse than the Donbass one in the Crimea.

And why, in addition to Crimea, didn’t they take away the Donbass, which was so requested and is still being requested to be part of the Russian Federation?

The 2014 referendum in Donbass did not raise the issue of joining Russia, but only about self-determination. There was one question in the "bulletins": "Do you support the act of state independence of the Luhansk People's Republic (Donetsk People's Republic)?"

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Navat

Are you ready to abandon the Crimea? We are such a people, for us the greatness of the country is primarily in the size of the territory and in military force. Have you noticed how, after the liberation of Crimea, people seemed to have grown wings?

And what kind of excuse is the relationship between Crimea and the worsening situation in the country? Those. that there should be improvements, you must definitely give Crimea ?! Or is it better to change the leadership of the country? Such a thought, didn’t visit your bright head?
After all, it is not Crimea that rules in the country, but the Kremlin.

[Vadim237]

The leadership of the country has changed - further, that you will start printing money for all your Wishlist, or you will pull up taxes, there is a third option, but it is risky and will swell all the accumulated money into industry and other industries for quite a long time; the return on this will be in the best scenario in 7 years, but it’s not a fact that in these seven years the world economy will not fall into another crisis and all these new industries will have to be supported - but how to support it when all the money has been spent on their creation and they haven’t reached the payback period. But money will be needed now sales markets there are no competitors the sea in all spheres the decline in consumption for all goods around the world - you will take from the rich they have most of the state in movable and immovable property - in order to get everything for this, you need to sell it to someone with all this, the price tag will have to be dropped, but to whom it will be sold to the rich it will no longer be. In the end, someone will have to work for a stew - that would be more or less enough for everyone.

[Vadim237]

The health of you and your loved ones is in your hands.

[ancient]

Quote: Navat

If everything was so bad, then the people would not vote so convincingly for GDP.

"Olginskie" went to .. "work" ?

Quote: Navat

In addition, for the sake of the annexation of the Crimea, I am ready to pay any costs

And what does Crimea have to do with it? "Igoryok and other ... confidants" receive so much money from the budget, for their own .. "games" that they could have "half-Europe" ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Navat

If everything was so bad, then the people would not vote so convincingly for GDP.

everything flows. In Russia, from love to hate is one step. Fall we look at love

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Svarog

The people will eat up the last crust of bread, but these will not cut anything for themselves .. they will add, yes .. and cut it for their loved ones not in their rules.

A simple example.
Golodets Olga Yuryevna, until January 15, 2020 vice-premier.

1999-2008 - Head of Social Policy and Personnel Department, Deputy General Director for Personnel and Social Policy, OJSC MMC Norilsk Nickel

After leaving Norilsk Nickel, until December 16, 2008, Golodets continued to chair the board of his non-state pension fund (NPF), which was part of the assets of the ONEXIM group. In accordance with the pension program previously developed by the social policy service of MMC Norilsk Nickel, Olga Golodets, among other heads of NPFs, received monthly lifetime pension payments in the amount of 200 thousand rubles. Later, Norilsk Nickel asked the former functionaries of the corporate NPF to voluntarily refuse these pension payments, but the press did not report on Golodets' reaction to this proposal

Norilsk Nickel, the budget of the Russian Federation - what difference does it make where it comes from? The main thing is dripping. And none of them thinks about giving up these "drops".
Moreover, I think that for O. Golodets an increase of 200 thousand is much less than for an ordinary pensioner two thousand - this is not critical for her. But no - a trifle, but for myself, my beloved is nice ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Lannan Shi

You can, for example, reduce the item "general government spending". Translated into Russian - the content of bureaucrats.

Well, you are dreaming! This is something from the field of unscientific fiction.

[Demon_is_ada]

Stepan You know, I have a strange confident feeling that "public spending" is a scam of the purest water or hidden financing of something (for example, ̶E̶d̶i̶m̶ ̶R̶o̶s̶s̶i̶yu igil)
Under the USSR, the area, as well as the number of wards, was twice as large, and the number of bureaucrats was half as much ... still worth adding excellent computerization in our time (that is, that is) a logical question arises - what are they doing there?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lannan Shi

You can, for example, reduce the item "general government spending".

Are you not a democrat for an hour? Even children know:

[den3080]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Navat

And what should the state do? There is no money in the budget, but the lads disagree with the military to reduce the military budget ...

You can, for example, reduce the item "general government spending". Translated into Russian - the content of bureaucrats. It is heavier than the national defense in general.

You can still reduce journalists / TV presenters by at least 50%.
this will be real benefit.

[dirk182]

like what? In recent years, only the lazy one from the Government has not told us about the money-box. Medvedev, Siluanov, Nabiullina, everyone said that this is money in case of a crisis. The crisis has arrived. And there was no money, and still no. Now it’s a paradox. The President says there is money. In fact, they don't seem to exist. The measures are “advisory” in nature. Putin gives the go-ahead to the governors to act independently, and then says that he will punish for shortcomings in preventing the spread of coronavirus. A strange comrade became, very

[paul3390]

Everything is like this ...

[Svarog]

Quote: paul3390

Everything is like this ...

But so in fact it is .. some kind of idiocy.

[paul3390]

The usual such capitalism .. What-in Americanism is that much better? Just capitalism - in principle, it is not able to respond normally to planetary challenges, due to the transcendental hatskrasity of consciousness. In the sense - that a personal bourgeois pocket is the main value of being and the only imperative of behavior. For the rest - he is up to the pager .. So the capitalists - they will ruin this planet simply out of greed .. But we - we want to survive, we must again try to move to the next stage of development of human society - socialism. And no other way ..

[o_zotov]

Quote: paul3390

What - in Americanism is that much better?

Seven times, approximately. But that was back in 2018, now the gap is good, if not doubled.

[Vadim237]

This stage was already there - the result of this stage of the USSR went bankrupt and ultimately fell apart, since the money for full socialism will end sooner or later. Partial socialism in a market economy is possible and it is, but full is impossible.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: dirk182

In recent years, only the lazy of the Government did not tell us about the egg. Medvedev, Siluanov, Nabiullina, everyone said that this is money in case of crisis. The crisis has come. And there was no money either.

This is not for you. And for me not. But yesterday I read an article where they discussed how much will be allocated to banks. That is, the question will be highlighted or not, not at all. It is unclear to whom and how much. Although the banks themselves have not even begun to complain, they are already preparing money.

[Piramidon]

Quote: dirk182

And there was no money, and no

There is money, but not for you. Again they will go to support banks, Gazprom, deputies ...

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

What should the state do? So ask the Witcher lads. These all have ready-made recipes. Effective, painless, mega-effective. All is simpler than a steamed turnip)))

[Roman123567]

And what should the state do? There is no money in the budget

Ay-ah-ah, who did it ..

[Varyag71]

There is a lot of money

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Varyag71

There is a lot of money

Data is still 2016. Per capita income of 10% of wealthy Russians is 7,83 million, or 113 trillion for all. Raising personal income tax to 25%, which, by world standards, is liberal to the point of madness, in China the same millionaires pay 45% and do not buzz, will give the budget 13,6 trillion rubles. Or 2 budgets of the Pension Fund, or 5 budgets of the Moscow Region, or 9 total budgets of the ministries of education and health. And if you bring NK into line with the Chinese, then the minimum budget will double, this is the minimum. But rather, it will grow to 50-60 trillion. But ... This is income - those who need income. And no China, Japan or the United States is an example to us. Robbing beggars is easier.
And yes. Money dofiga, and a little more than that. Here are just millionaires for the country, this is about China, in Russia it is the exact opposite, a country for millionaires. As we observe, according to the lists of the very affected by the virus, starving oligarchs, who urgently need to throw money from the budget.

[Vadim237]

Even if 10000 each of 147 million is paid per month, 1470 billion rubles are needed in the NWF now 10 trillion - even with such scanty payments money in the NWF will end in 7 months. And this is only for the support of citizens, but in addition there are other areas of budget expenditures that need to be helped the same way you can reduce all budget expenditures by 50% - and then within 7 months you and everyone else can be paid 20000 each. that there is a lot of money - they will quickly end in the scale of aid throughout the country, and the amount of aid will be about nothing.

[dirk182]

There is no money in the budget

Well, well, that's just the news announced a surplus of 300 billion rubles. And this is in crisis.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Van 16

All the promised buns, firstly, remain only on paper, secondly, try to get them again.

You are wrong here. The promised "who needs" buns, covered with the slogan of support for the backbone, will be issued on time and with overfulfillment. You will see.

[Van 16]

I agree here. I wrote about ordinary people, about "those who need" I did not think, these yes, these will receive.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Van 16

All the promised buns, firstly, remain only on paper, secondly, try to get them again.

You are wrong here. The promised "who needs" buns, covered with the slogan of support for the backbone, will be issued on time and with overfulfillment. You will see.

Already seen. 500 lard Sberu so that he could lend the already poor population.

[maiman61]

On TV, they just lie about support! But in reality, only checks and fines!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Van 16

But fines for violating this incomprehensible regime of HZ arrive here and now.

Salary will be less, fines will be more. The poor will become poorer, the rich will become richer.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

That makes sense! The poor are poorer and the rich are rich. Pda I did not guess before ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

That makes sense! The poor are poorer and the rich are rich.

I don’t remember what the film of the late 60s was called, but there are statements by the king
"Long live me! Everyone will be rich except the poor!"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Van 16

All the promised buns firstly remain only on paper,

And this was immediately expected! I wrote about this in the comments ... and for such conclusions I did not have to go to a fortuneteller! Enough to live in Russia! Although ... some people tried hard to argue with me then ... Well, nothing, "young and deaf ... hoi" to the realities of life in Russia yet! "Will grow up, wiser"!

[lwxx]

This is not news, capitalism with a human grin. Now, if they had announced a reduction in utility services, electricity, and I would swipe at the holy reduction of fuel prices. That would be news.

[Navat]

Where does the money come from? Russia, unlike America and Germany, is a poor country. In addition, the States have already announced a significant reduction in the military budget. Russia will not agree to this, and the GDP will not agree, and the lads with VO will not allow it ...

[Altona]

Quote: Navat

Russia will not agree to this, and the GDP will not agree, and the lads with VO will not allow it ...

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The fellowship with VO does not affect the military budget in any way, you can also blame the lads from YouTube, the lads from VK, OK and Facebook, as well as send curses to Telegram, Vatsap and Viber. In addition, a gradual reduction in the military budget has long been announced.
As for money, then one Colonel Zakharchenko had money like the budget of the Tula region, and there was Colonel Cherkalin with the budget of the Tver region. And if the generals shake, there probably can be found in the federal district, and in fact you just need to shake a 20-40 shower not of the largest suit. And then even bigger. And there’s still a little money for sure.

[rocket757]

This is the world, which is clear whose world.
The rest will be hard!
The only question is which spheres of production / labor will hook the most ???
The state will / will not help ... they will most likely need a social explosion! Water for the level of assistance / support, for its effectiveness and usefulness to specific people, as always in different ways! But the bulk of the victims will be hard.
In general, we will see, and many will feel at their ... at their standard of living, of course.

[Reptiloid]

Victor! And who would doubt that they are ready? They had long dreamed about it, but there was no reason. When there were previous crises, they also tried to reduce it.

[rocket757]

This is their world. We gave it away, pro / s / fell!
What to do now?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

This is their world. We gave it away, pro / s / fell!
What to do now?

You wrote the answer repeatedly ---- to unite. All to think about, take into account, return the lost
Capitalism did not immediately establish itself, gradually over the course of several hundred years, it fought for its survival.

[rocket757]

Until the question of survival to the full extent arises for the majority, nothing seems to change!
All with a mustache ..... my hut on the settlements, that's the whole story.

[Varyag71]

when such a question arises, the government will fully show its essence

[rocket757]

This is clear. Only now they have an essence, genuine, not very well hidden. Those who look attentively have long understood, considered.

[Varyag71]

Now she is veiled by an imaginary concern for the population. And when people really go out to the square, because there is nothing from the word at all, then it will just be tin. After all, it’s not without reason that they are arming the Rosguard ... The only question is, did people remain in this structure?

[rocket757]

We will not talk about care, most likely that they will not bring the authorities to extreme sports, they have quite enough opportunities and resources. The question is not desire, it is necessary.
We won’t argue, we will all see soon.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Varyag71

Now she is veiled by an imaginary concern for the population. And when people really go out on the square, because there is nothing from the word at all, .......

I also thought to myself that caring for pensioners was only in words. They say sit at home. Volunteers on a voluntary basis, in their own transport, it is not known whether there are enough of them?
And what is the state helping pensioners with? After the pension reform, it was said that lengthening the working time is normal, by 5 years, people will survive, and now, somehow quickly, it turns out that they are at risk and weakened and their immunity is low. So he, immunity and will be even lower if everyone will work 5 years more in old age.
Stalin never spoke of such an increase in age, but only measures were taken to improve the health of the nation and the development of Soviet medicine

[rocket757]

Until the people come to the realization that our silence makes it possible for the greedy rich to rip off not one skin from us, but how much they want !!! It will be so.
Even laws / proposals that affect the security of the state, they are easily overwritten! And for the working people there’s no need to speak!

[o_zotov]

Quote: Varyag71

Now she is veiled by an imaginary concern for the population. And when people really go out to the square, because there is nothing from the word at all, then it will just be tin. After all, it’s not without reason that they are arming the Rosguard ... The only question is, did people remain in this structure?

When the Maydans come out on the square, I hope the National Leader will not betray Rosguard since Yanukovych betrayed the Golden Eagle and is not afraid to give the TEAM.

The boys stood by the wall
Bye Navalnovskaya flock
The country was divided among themselves,
Dreaming of white ribbons ...
Standing in the rain, standing in the snow
They stood - under the spit and obscenities.
They stood - do they need the most?
They stood - because they are soldiers.
Once again - in blood - by eyebrow,
Covering the parasites
They stood with a blackened face
Until someone’s Pyrrhic victory ...
They stood tight, like an old man.
They stood without sparing the body.
Burned a torch alive
State Department of lawlessness.
They stood - to gray hair
To the lying funeral feast
Your sons are native blood ...
And the stepsons of their homeland.
They were betrayed a hundred times
And again they will betray ... Judas ...
Standing riot police. Special Forces stood.
The boys were standing ...
Like grandfathers!

[rocket757]

The grandfathers walked / stood for the PEOPLE'S STATE!
Not to be confused with the current tops, which are completely different.
The current opposition is also different, those that are in bulk stand for the power of the rich, only with other leaders at the head ...
no fundamental difference with those who "rule" now ... maybe there will be more external influence / control. That's the whole difference. SHILO and SOAP!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

........ they still have the essence, genuine, not very well hidden. Those who look attentively have long understood, considered.

you and I somehow sorted out aphorisms of modern officials, then they made themselves and have the right to expensive, over 2 million, cars for a state account, then turn off the lights for the poor, then clean up the territory for doctors, then the state should not do anything ..... It’s not about, in my opinion, that it’s not very well hidden, but that the estate declares itself to be unequal to the population. As before the revolution, it was. Different rights of different segments of the population are laid down by law from the very beginning.

[rocket757]

Layer! Everything above is chocolate, and let it burn down below!
No, not a cake, but .....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

In general, we will see, and many will feel at their ... at their standard of living, of course.

I already felt from April 1, I began to work 3 hours less per day, my salary fell by 300 euros.

[rocket757]

It will hook everyone ... except for officials, of course.
All these are working people who themselves earn their daily bread.
All industries are interconnected, showered in one place, in another without consequences.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

It will hook everyone ... except for officials, of course.

Probably, the public service will not be affected either.

[rocket757]

So far, yes, the more "work" they have!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

So far, yes, the more "work" they have!

Well yes! Instructions and decisions appear, often contradicting each other.
And then they need to be explained or canceled. It is necessary to supplement gradually.

[dirk182]

they don’t need a social explosion!

I think this is inevitable. The authorities have neither strategy, nor ideology, nor normal managers. The theater of the absurd across the country. They are now making decisions on their knees. The economy is leaving its peak. The people, hungry, are deaf to the voice of reason.

[rocket757]

I do not want to guess.
Disasters, different, our country, our people experienced different! We survived like that, without great social upheavals ... 1917 was an exception, in most respects, so it’s impossible to expect a repetition, at least for now.

[dirk182]

So wait, not yet time. They still somehow survive, hope to end the regime of self-isolation (even writing is disgusting, as if the expression is obscene)

[rocket757]

Directing itself and quarantine will end.
Only then a lot of consequences will have to be tested and scooped up a heap ... a big heap.

[Reptiloid]

Once this mode will stop, only when? The longer ---- the more irreversible processes.

[dirk182]

it feels like we’ll stay at home too

[rocket757]

The infection is very tricky, there is no medicine yet.
I would like to hope for the best.

[o_zotov]

Quote: rocket757

Disasters, different, our country, our people experienced different!

Polovtsy and Pechenegs won - we will defeat both the coronavirus and potential maydauns !!!

[rocket757]

And in 1917, too, there were those who wanted to wave their whips ... and where did they end up?
However, 90 dashing showed that to defend and THINK is useful / necessary for everyone!

[Olegater]

Good morning, dear forum users!
As the analyst promised, after the end of the pandemic, millions of people will be left without work and livelihoods. Here's a question for me, how will the government employ these people? After all, the government promised 25 million jobs. These promised places would have come in handy. I understand that this promise is bullshit. But after all, top-ranking officials should have foreseen this option, including the president. Although what I mean. This is capitalism. They have spawned firms and molds, and the fact that during this crisis there will be unemployed, these buy and sell products will disappear, for some reason they did not foresee. And these people will not receive any guarantees, protection and compensation from the state. All according to the plan of the West. And rot in power. And then they are surprised that people will go out into the street with protests.
One day on this site I somehow argued with one forum member that this power * would bring people to the handle. And the opponent argued that everything is fine and the authorities * know that he is doing everything well and I am in vain criticizing. Well, the negative consequences of everything, from optimization to reformation, have come true. Interestingly, and this forum member how is he doing now? On self-isolation? Did you receive help from the state? Does his company work? So for fun! Unfortunately, I don’t remember his nickname.

[Navat]

Olegater, Do you propose to take everything away from the Prokhorov and Potanins and to share honestly? This is Sharikov’s recipe and it doesn’t work. Already tried 102 years ago and this led Mother Russia to the greatest tragedy ...

[Olegater]

Good morning, dear Navat !.
And you propose to leave everything as it is and just watch the theft and betrayal of the oligophre .... oligarchy and authorities? And where are their rich help in the fight against pandemics? Isolated cases. And then under pressure from the gdp. May be. Although everyone will profit from this trouble. From bourgeois - for money, to power - PR and the same money. It was necessary to quarantine from the moment of detection of the first cases of the disease, and not now.

[Navat]

Olegater, in your mind you need to quarantine the most threatened group of old people and ensure their polarity. Money needs to be taken from the military budget (nowhere else) in parallel with the uncompromising war on corruption. Well, seven percent raise taxes for the oligarchs

[Olegater]

Not from the defense, but from the thieves of oligarchs and scammers. Why are there no punished involved in the optimization of medicine? Why is all trash, a list known to everyone, not responsible for crimes and their stolen property has not passed to the state? Many questions that no one will answer. And these answers lie here on the surface.

[Navat]

This is all true, but this is not a quick matter. And the money is needed now. And if you freeze the Su-57 and T-14 project for a couple of years, then there will be no trouble, especially since the West is also reducing its military budgets

[Vadim237]

This freezing does not help the economy at all.

[DPN]

Already tried 102 years ago and this led Mother Russia to the greatest tragedy.

It seems that a lot of things happened during the collapse of the country, if they remembered the Prokhorovs and Potanins and the instinct of a predator. This leads to the appearance of S. Razinykh and E. Pugachev also will not be sweeter.

[Varyag71]

More details, please.

[dirk182]

Do you propose to take everything away from the Prokhorov and Potanins and to share honestly?

Is this your personal fear? Give people a job and a decent salary. This is what Olegater says.

Already tried 102 years ago and this led Mother Russia to the greatest tragedy ...

What conclusions did modern politicians draw from the events of the 1917 revolution? The situation oh how similar.

[dirk182]

Lord, what West? The West only announced the forecast. Now you see it. They saw the essence of our power much earlier.

[rocket757]

The power of the rich and for the rich, this is not worth discussing.
Another question, but what, are there, with full / d / urki sitting?
Capitalism, it did not appear yesterday. They also develop, especially in the ability to adapt to various critical situations between them and everyone else.
We cannot change anything at the moment, there is still no critical mass of indignant citizens united by a common goal, and whether it will be, this is a question.
A boom to look after the development of events.

[Svarog]

Quote: Olegater

Here's a question for me, how will the government employ these people?

The authorities are now arranging their fifth point, however, like all the past 30 years, they are not up to people .. People on their own, as they can ..

[DPN]

If the employer has stopped eating "black caviar, the question arises, why should a worker eat white bread? Let him switch to black. This is life.

[Demon_is_ada]

You know, if the employer has stopped eating black caviar, then he will not go to the "land of the eternal hunt", in short - not fatal But all the nishtyaks of the "employer are from the people, there is no people, there is no food, nishtyaks and other things, he hunches himself ... yeah ... And according to my observations, and for 40 years, all merchants (employers) are mostly masters of the conversational genre and they know how to do little with pens, rather primitive creatures in the sense of intelligence, but this, this is what makes them morally stupidly and hourly crush their wards, so to speak Talking with them is completely useless, these are the biorobots in which the program works ... to understand and experience, try talking to the computer so that he does something for you and understands

[knn54]

It's time to get off the "import needle". To engage in the development of our own production. The agro-industrial complex. To make the officials THINK and WORK.
Well, create investment attractiveness.

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: knn54

Make officials THINK and WORK.

Are you a deeply religious person?

[knn54]

Vyacheslav, do you know the difference between BELIEVE and BELIEVE?
As Bismarck said:
"Revolutions are prepared by geniuses, romantics make, and crooks use its fruits."
Or Bob Dylan:
"People rarely do what they believe in. More often than not, they do what is convenient in the given situation, and then regret it."
Indeed, they will not be allowed to do it. Like in Israel, a Knesset deputy, from whom they find accounts abroad, is thrown into jail.
AND WHAT DO YOU SPECIFICALLY offer?

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: knn54

AND WHAT DO YOU SPECIFICALLY offer?

For 20 years they couldn’t sow from the oil-gas needle and now they won’t do anything.
If you act stupidly, instead of developing production, you can increase taxes and introduce total control over the money of the population (digital economy to help)
Our offers are of no interest to anyone ....

[dirk182]

Well, create an investment appeal

against the background of the widespread corruption component is impossible!

[Roman123567]

the state intends to compensate for part of the losses from the decrease in employers' wages. Are Russia ready to take such a step? While this question remains unanswered.

Is it true that there is no answer ?? It seems the answer is just obvious .. the state scored on the people .. This is a fact today!

[shark]

Complete impotence. There is no other name. And of course, the state will not compensate anything. It abandoned its citizens during the pandemic, and even after it will abandon even more so. As an example, credit holidays on the basis of a certificate of 30 percent. lower incomes that no one gives to anyone. Sad

[wellaut]

"Are Russia ready to take such a step? So far this question remains unanswered." - come on? no answer? The current government would rather strangle itself (take a loan on the foreign market) than spend the funds of the NWF on compensation of citizens. They have a list of particularly distinguished Rothenbergs, Sechins, Millers and others like them.

[Prisoner]

".... The state intends to compensate for some of the losses from the reduction of wages by employers. Are Russia ready to take such a step? .." (c) The question is rhetorical. If we compensate for the losses to employees, then what shisha should we use to compensate for the drop in income of big business and the increase in expenses for ensuring the life support of our precious representatives of the branches of government in a pandemic? In short, we disassemble paving slabs in summer cottages and plant potatoes, carrots and onions. Tea is not oligarchs, not "stars" of show business, not football players with deputies. Let's break through.

[Qwertyarion]

. the state intends to compensate for part of the losses from the decrease in employers' wages. Are Russia ready to take such a step? While this question remains unanswered.

I'll try to guess, probably not ...

[Varyag71]

Interestingly, how many Heroes of the Russian Federation and Labor will appear after the end of the pandemic?

[Vadim237]

There will be many doctors among them.

[Moskovit]

Our business has come to the point, you no longer support us, just let it work! We endured all the crises, the fall of the dollar and the euro. We will live with a negative oil price. But if you just can't do anything! How to survive here? How to "get out"?

[Qwertyarion]

Quote: Moskovit

But if you just can't do anything! How to survive here? How to "get out"?

Are you talking about quarantine and closed business?

[Moskovit]

Quarantine. The treatment of the disease is worse than the disease itself.

[dirk182]

our business has reached the point where not only business ladies, but men are letting a tear on the air at a meeting with Putin! This is how people should be brought ...

[AlexVas44]

Quote: knn54

Make officials THINK and WORK.

"You are making unrealistic plans! It's like him, valentarism!"
("The Caucasian captive ..."

[evgen1221]

Maybe someone can help and advice - buy cash currency in a month is very useful.

[mikh-korsakov]

It so happened that after finishing work in Germany for several years I worked in Russia for various private firms. I venture to incur the wrath of my colleagues, but to be honest, from my own experience and the experience of my son, I know firmly that neither I am working with small and medium-sized businesses. neither my son ever received a full salary - I received the lion's share in the envelope. So I want to ask what kind of money does the state require from the state to compensate for the salaries of its employees? Will employees of firms agree to receive a salary of 10-15 thousand rubles? and can they live on it? Why should the state compensate firms for the amount from which firms did not pay taxes? I foresee objections - they say we have such taxes. that it’s impossible to work. I worked in Germany in a company of 50 employees, I testify - taxes in the amount are approximately the same - the structure is different - it is. Then is the Singapore experience suitable? I am sure that our authorities are well aware of what I wrote. Hence the observed bustle of experts - but the king is naked.

[Altona]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Why should the state compensate firms for the amount from which firms did not pay taxes?

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VAT is paid to the state regularly. You came to Magnit, bought food and 20% from the cash register immediately flew away to Mishustin. You went to the "Bristol", bought a drink and a smoke and another 15-25% flew away to Mishustin with excise taxes. We refueled our Renault at Lukoil and another 45% flew away to Mishustin. We took receipts for housing and communal services and again Mishustin with the money, we pay for the overhaul in advance. Maybe it's enough to broadcast delirium about "tax evasion"? Yes, the labor tax is very powerful and not everyone can pay it in full, but we also do not feel the return from the current "state" in full.

[mikh-korsakov]

Eugene! I have never mentioned VAT! It's not about VAT - everything is clear here. The fact is that, for example, a person in a small enterprise, like me, received an official salary of 15000 p and another 25000 p. in an envelope. People with a gray salary are estimated at about 25%. Entrepreneurs urge the state to pay their employees a salary. You can discuss the amount of 15000 p. But for what reason Mr. should pay the gray salary, because taxes were not paid from it. This is the meaning of my speech. After all, the employee is worth 15000 p., If he has children - not to live.

[shark]

And why do you minus. After all, they said everything correctly. In fact, our business pays gray wages, spits on the labor code, makes us recycle. He does his best when paying for the social package. Workplaces are not certified, and if they are certified, then by giving a bribe. Labor safety is not respected. In winter, for the sake of saving on heating, the temperature in production approaches zero, in summer the rooms are stuffy. The requirements of the labor code to shorten the working day at higher (lower) temperatures are not met. Those. constant searches for where to underpay, where to keep, where to save. But in their personal lives, our flagships of the economy do not stand on ceremony. I don’t mind myself. And then the moment came when they were asked to show their vaunted "social responsibility". About which they love to sing songs with nightingales. So what? Immediately whining, where can we get the money? Help us faster and pay for me. Already sick of their groans. I have one question - and in figs you are needed, such flagships of the economy, even if a MONTH has not passed, and you are already whining? If you abandoned your employees as soon as they stopped making you profit? Here you whine that the vat immediately leaves Mishustin. So the buyer pays VAT, not you. But then, as soon as they want to take something from you, howl. Tears have already begun to show. There is only one piece of advice for you - buy a cheaper suit, change to a lower class typewriter, fly not to Spain in the summer, but to Gelendzhik, cheaper furniture. And it will dissipate. And life will become easier. Yes, stop plying your 100,200 percent margin. In world practice, the optimal margin is 10-15 percent. That's enough for you. In conclusion, I really hope for the government's retaliatory measures applied to those "entrepreneurs" who remained deaf to the president's words about a paid weekend month. I know for sure that data on such industries are being collected now. Another would be to open a hotline. I personally know heels of such offices. I will not be lazy. I'll call. To which I urge everyone. Yes, snitching is not in the national mentality. But knocking on "these" is a good thing.

[Shadow041]

But these people always have no readiness to increase their salaries, and now everyone will start lowering their salaries, including those whom the crisis has not affected at all, or, on the contrary, has made it possible to get rich ... The greed of the huckster is well known !!!

[Undecim]

Russia has announced the readiness of many employers to cut salaries for their employees
Well, what's the news? For someone, this fact came as a surprise?
The news would be the message "In Russia, they announced the readiness of many employers to go to preservation salaries to their employees. "
Or "In Russia, it was announced that the state is willing to compensate employers who have not cut their employees' salaries."
That would be news!

[sanik2020]

And where it has been seen, so that businessmen and bureaucrats tighten their belts, only human ones.
Putin works. He gets paid, the people sent to quarantine. Someone will pay him.
Saving the drowning is the work of the drowning.

[iouris]

I will say more: there will also be a price increase.

[AlexSam]

Quote: den3080

You can still reduce journalists / TV presenters by at least 50%.
this will be real benefit.

why cut them? make them the average salary in the country, they will run away ... but how you listen to how many TV presenters get, it becomes a shame for the deputies ...

[o_zotov]

Quote: Snail N9

We have, already officially, from April 1, salary - "only salary" - no bonuses and surcharges. And this is minus 30%. And no one canceled the interest on loans and mortgages, just like housing and communal services, yesterday, pays for housing and communal services, and fat on loans and mortgages was on March 20. so that pay and do not "buzz"

The patriots have failed. For twenty years in a row they were eager to fight and were ready to sacrifice themselves in the construction of Great Russia. But when their hour came and the Nautical Leader found the right angle of attack for Amirek and her sixes, where it hurts, the patriots gave the back and pretended to be rags. And it was they who bet the first signs of a decline in their own level of comfort in the face of peaceful confrontation. Imagine how the National Leader felt, who had previously enjoyed wide popular support, it’s like collectively hammering the arrow and finding out that he came there alone. The patriots demanded war, and when the smell of fried was smelled, they did not show up at the recruiting station. And these people swore to go to the front. As a result, the patriot turned out to be a cowardly opportunist. These fighting "patriots" at a difficult moment for the country did not even deign to spend an extra 15 minutes at the machine. And they still remember Stalingrad, it's amazing how the Veterans don't spit in their hypocritical hari. Naturally, such a people did not receive help from the National Leader, whom the people essentially betrayed and abandoned, leaving their support in the form of posts on the forums. Now reap the fruits of your puny nature.

[Nitarius]

I wouldn’t believe such media ... they also said by box that in Europe they would give grandmothers to Germans .. I’m calling! I ask friends there .. -in the ANSWER! -Mole FALSE this! give nothing! don't trust the media! so .. and here they will not take expensive!

[cat Rusich]

The "bourgeois" started talking about cutting wages, and who will buy goods and services from them? - They are not satisfied with the "quarantine", and when workers en masse from COVID-19 go to hospitals, they will not be affected by the "bourgeois"? Not for a holiday, enterprises and firms were closed, but they are fighting the "infection". Just an assumption - not everyone is dying from COVID-19 and the "bourgeois" do not want to go to quarantine, but if Ebola happened, that you will not go to quarantine either?