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The British press appreciated the Russian sniper rifle SVLK-14C "Twilight"

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The British press appreciated the Russian sniper rifle SVLK-14C "Twilight"

The British press spoke about the "Twilight" rifle, appreciating its merits. It's about sniper weaponsdeveloped by LOBAEV Arms and operated since 2012.


The sniper rifle has a length of 1570 mm, a mass of 9,6 kg. The British newspaper Daily Mail (DM) noted that the Russian rifle is capable of "changing the rules of the game." In this context, we are talking about the fact that the rifle is capable of hitting targets at a record distance. In a British newspaper, it is indicated that it hits the target “at a distance of about two miles” (3220 km).

In fact, during the operation of the SVLK-14C "Sumrak" hit was hit in the target from a distance of 4,2 km.

The article says that the shooting parameters for the range of the Russian "Twilight" almost double that of the British sniper complex L115A3. This sniper rifle, which the British are armed with, is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 1,6 km.

In the Daily Mail it is noted that SVLK-14C "Twilight" is intended for professional snipers. At the same time, an expert opinion is given, which indicates that the Russian rifle is capable of radically changing the situation on the battlefield.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 14 2020 06: 58 New
    14
    But is it accepted for service?
    Especially in the army?
    And in general "Sumarak" (like?) Exists in single record copies.
    almost double the similar parameters of the British sniper complex L115A3.
    Compare with an army rifle ...
    Not Camille ...
    1. Errr
      Errr April 14 2020 07: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      And in general "Sumarak" (like?) Exists in single record copies.
      Lobaev & Company offers to buy goods. The official price of "Twilight" is 1945000 rubles. smile
      http://lobaevarms.ru/twilight/
      1. thinker
        thinker April 14 2020 07: 59 New
        +3
        As I understand it, the British will cost even more yes
        Russia develops world's DEADLIEST sniper rife: £30,000 'game-changer' gun can hit targets TWO MILES away
        1. Errr
          Errr April 14 2020 08: 17 New
          0
          £ 30000 at the current exchange rate will be equal to $ 2757831. These are still flowers in comparison with what our traders ask for. "Air Gun", for example, want to receive from the client for "Twilight" already ₽3264000. smile
          https://www.air-gun.ru/nareznoe_oruzhie/lobaevarms_(rossiya)/sverhdalnoboynaya_vintovka_svlk-14s_twilight_sumrak_418st_optika_kronshteyn_soshki_v_komplekte
        2. Deck
          Deck April 14 2020 08: 37 New
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          It is not even clear how to comment on the article. The Daily Mail is a tabloid rag like Speed ​​Info. Accuracy International AWM (L115A3) Fires LM.338 rounds. The proven army cartridge, which is in service with many countries of the world, including ours. Twilight has a cartridge 40 Lobaev improved. Based on the 408 CheyTac, but enlarged with a .375 "bullet. A single, hand-assembled, tuned cartridge. L115A3" is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 1,6 km. "Hit targets! anyone can check the bullet energy for 20 km on a ballistic calculator.By the way, in the USA there are clubs and special competitions in shooting for 4 miles.
          And yet, in order for the "Russian rifle to radically change the situation on the battlefield," the following conditions must be provided: target recognition at such a distance (no smoke, fog, mirage, that is, cloudy weather or an early quiet morning), uniform wind throughout the entire trajectory, especially given its height.
          Bullets generally fly far. There were cases of accidental wounds from small fry at 1,5 km. An army sniper is not an athlete. He has limited ammunition and, most importantly, time.
          In general, they are sick of advertising Lobaev Arms
          1. grandfather_Kostya
            grandfather_Kostya April 14 2020 09: 40 New
            +7
            in order for the "Russian rifle to be able to radically change the situation on the battlefield" the following conditions must be provided: target recognition at such a distance (no smoke, fog, mirage, that is, cloudy weather or an early quiet morning), uniform wind throughout the entire trajectory, especially considering it heights.

            Add: the goal needs to be tied with a rope to the chair. the flight time of the bullet is about 4 seconds and who will wait for it (if it is not sentry at the mausoleum).
            1. Ingenegr
              Ingenegr April 15 2020 16: 45 New
              +2
              At 4 km the bullet does not fly for 4 seconds, but much longer. The order is 10 ... 15 seconds. Therefore, even a target tied to a chair will be able to gallop if the chair is not nailed to the ground with crutches.
          2. Alexfly
            Alexfly April 14 2020 17: 50 New
            0
            Absolutely right, dear
          3. tracer
            tracer April 15 2020 19: 26 New
            -1
            +100500 There is little that can be added, I am silent about the fact that the flight time of the bullet will be such that the target can go drink tea. She will not change anything on the battlefield AT ALL!
            For targets at these ranges, there are other, much more effective weapons. ARTILLERY FOR EXAMPLE .... "Bam Bam .. and by" (Pugovkin, Wedding in Malinovka)
            1. Rusfaner
              Rusfaner April 15 2020 21: 14 New
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              "... There is another much more effective weapon for targets at such ranges. ARTILLERY ..."

              For example: MT-12
  2. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich April 14 2020 07: 00 New
    +1
    during the operation of the SVLK-14C “Sumrak”, hits were hit at the target from a distance of 4,2 km.

    when shooting at such distances it is very difficult to find a shooter who can make an accurate shot.
    The Coriolis effect is harmful.
    the distance is impressive. True, the use of weapons is specific. special purpose.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B April 14 2020 07: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Maki Avellievich
      the distance is impressive.

      At the height of the trajectory, the bullet flies at an altitude of 800 (!) Meters!
      The target is turned halfway up, because the bullet falls "almost" vertically.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 07: 05 New
        +5
        This is already ... What a mortar!))) laughing
        In general, I agree that it is not in the troops and it cannot be used there. We virtually assume the MTR, but I think no one is going to set records there either. Better "come closer")))
        1. Aag
          Aag April 14 2020 08: 32 New
          +1
          They were ahead: "..., it is not in the troops and it will not be able to be used there. We virtually assume the MTR ..." The SVD clearly will not take the place.
          And how will Al-alloys be friends with stainless steel (electroplating, corrosion resistance)?
          Remember, at one time they criticized Beretta for such a combination of metals. True, in the Navy.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 14 2020 08: 04 New
        +5
        there should be a howitzer sight, on the side of the barrel, because the barrel in this case overlaps the line of sight
    2. den3080
      den3080 April 14 2020 07: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Maki Avellevich
      during the operation of the SVLK-14C “Sumrak”, hits were hit at the target from a distance of 4,2 km.

      when shooting at such distances it is very difficult to find a shooter who can make an accurate shot.
      The Coriolis effect is harmful.
      the distance is impressive. True, the use of weapons is specific. special purpose.

      one rifle and not only a shooter, there is a whole team.
      there is a film about this miracle.
      can be compared with the cars of the formula 1 - piece copies.
    3. Shopping Mall
      Shopping Mall April 14 2020 08: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Maki Avellevich
      during the operation of the SVLK-14C “Sumrak”, hits were hit at the target from a distance of 4,2 km.

      when shooting at such distances it is very difficult to find a shooter who can make an accurate shot.
      The Coriolis effect is harmful.
      the distance is impressive. True, the use of weapons is specific. special purpose.


      Previously, Lobaev’s company actively worked with the FSO and supplied them with SVL rifles.

      Long-range shooting is becoming more common for the military, even without guided bullets. The appearance of large-caliber (12,7 mm) rifles has already made normal shooting at a distance of 1,5 km, some manage to shoot beyond 2 km - such confirmed cases are in Afghanistan.

      But SVLK is a small-scale weapon, like ammunition for it.
  3. Aag
    Aag April 14 2020 07: 03 New
    +2
    "At the same time, an expert opinion is presented, which indicates that the Russian rifle is capable of dramatically changing the situation on the battlefield."
    By the way, this word is absent in other publications: "... is capable of changing the usual situation on the battlefield."
    Sold by "Air Gun" ..
  4. Kelwin
    Kelwin April 14 2020 07: 26 New
    +1
    Selling soul for 5 pitches)
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 14 2020 07: 34 New
    0
    Is it to hunt rabbits in the desert? Indeed, the real distance of its practical application is much less! The goal must be hit with gorantia, here a hundred factors must be kept in mind continuously! From the SVD I fired at 250 meters, and then the side wind was still a hindrance! And if you hit at 900 meters? I generally keep quiet about the distance to the target of 2000 meters! This is a super special "job" !!!
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo April 14 2020 07: 51 New
      0
      Mattresses in this caliber have already experimented with guided bullets. Somewhere in the material was. I think we also have such ones, but they are not yet shining. And for the sake of the conditional Dudaev or the conditional Yandarbiev, or the conditional Navalny, if they swing, they will not spare such a bullet, no matter how much it costs. Here the range of the rifle will play.
      1. tracer
        tracer April 16 2020 00: 57 New
        -3
        There are devices even more cunning on such devils. They’ll also affect the whole business, but since there are far calibres, there’s a lot of things, probably more
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo April 16 2020 13: 11 New
          0
          How many pensions does one Caliber cost? As the President said, you know how to count - so count. It is a little expensive to spend on a rocket for every scum.
          1. tracer
            tracer April 16 2020 15: 06 New
            -3
            This is what you call pensioners "bastards"? You will also remember about kindergartens and hospitals, remember sick children, poor mothers, poor undergrowth two-meter who are really in the way of retirement age. "Tanks with missiles" are primary, everything else is secondary. The state will not have the strength and striking power, all of these categories will be burned in the stoves or they will be killed with a virus or God knows what else. They are "ballast" and so the "market" will solve them. Because those who clang their teeth at the borders of Russia only on "markets with democracy" and hope.
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo April 16 2020 15: 25 New
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              Do not distort. I meant that for every Dudaev or Navalny spending a rocket worth several thousand pensions is unprofitable. A bullet, even a controlled one, will be much more budget-friendly.
              1. tracer
                tracer April 16 2020 16: 40 New
                -3
                I am amazed how fantastically far you are from the military theme. You simply do not understand, in principle, even theories of how such devils are eliminated. How they are protected, by barmels and other features with their special services and personal protection. Yes, of course, in your understanding, a warrior creeps up for 3 kilometers and crawls away on his own. Funny, he seems to have come to infantilism, but apparently you were hooked.
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo April 17 2020 09: 01 New
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                  And how are they protected?
                  Lee Harvey Oswald had a simple Manlicher rifle.
    2. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 April 14 2020 08: 00 New
      +5
      What a hindrance for 250 meters, do not make people laugh. Up to 400 meters as amended, you can not steam.
      1. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr April 15 2020 16: 51 New
        +2
        By itself. What is a tabular wind drift of a bullet under a side wind of 4 m / s at 42 cm by 400 m for SVD? In general, you can not steam. Just about one dimension of the chest figure.
        By the way, under the same wind, drift at 200 m will be 10 cm, and at 300 - 26 cm. Is it definitely not necessary to take into account?
        1. ssergey1978
          ssergey1978 April 15 2020 18: 51 New
          -1
          A lot of theory, I propose to shoot, preferably more.
          1. Ingenegr
            Ingenegr April 15 2020 20: 04 New
            0
            We question the effect of wind on the flight of a bullet at ranges up to 400 meters? An interesting approach.
            Quote: ssergey1978
            A lot of theory, I propose to shoot, preferably more.

            And without theory in shooting, dear, you won't go far. As for "... shoot, preferably more" - how can you be sure that I'm not doing this?
            1. ssergey1978
              ssergey1978 April 16 2020 05: 00 New
              -1
              Because whoever shoots doesn’t write such a crap.
              1. Ingenegr
                Ingenegr April 16 2020 08: 25 New
                0
                Those who shoot regularly further than 100 meters have no doubt about the influence of the wind.
                1. ssergey1978
                  ssergey1978 April 16 2020 11: 54 New
                  -1
                  I shoot further and shoot from 7.62x39 and up to 300 meters I have no wind problems, what can I say about 7.62x54
                  1. Ingenegr
                    Ingenegr April 16 2020 14: 22 New
                    0
                    It is necessary to decide between "I do not experience problems with the wind" and "I do not take into account the wind up to 400". These are two different things. When shooting at the head "Orthodox" 7.62x54 up to 600 m in moderate winds, I also have no problems. This does not mean, however, that the crosswind correction must be taken into account. If someone shoots only in the calm and at closed shooting ranges - no question, they have nothing to consider.
        2. Rusfaner
          Rusfaner April 15 2020 21: 36 New
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          Plus, at 800 m the bullet goes into subsonic mode and reduces the trajectory by 8 meters ...
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 14 2020 08: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is a super special "job" !!!

      in the parameters of the shot there is a correction for the angular velocity of rotation of the Earth laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 14 2020 08: 16 New
        +4
        And on the position of the moon and Jupiter at the time of the shot laughing
        Even at 800 meters, fixed-target professional snipers
        think twice "is it worth it to shoot?" before pressing the trigger.
      2. Aag
        Aag April 14 2020 08: 35 New
        +4
        When using bullets with a steel core, magnetic declination must be considered ... laughing
    4. 72jora72
      72jora72 April 14 2020 10: 33 New
      +4
      Shot from the SVD at 250 meters, and then the crosswind is still a hindrance! And if you hit 900 meters
      I have a CZ bolt mount, a scope with a R12 net, a deer I shoot from 300-600 meters, for 200 meters I have an SCS without a sight.
  6. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 April 14 2020 07: 43 New
    -1
    A rifle-gun is fired at 4 (four) kilometers ..... The special patron there, apparently, with rocket fuel ....... The curvature of the earth was not taken into account .... the wind .... In the desert, shoot from it, do not otherwise ..... in the baobab ....
    1. Lycan
      Lycan April 14 2020 10: 13 New
      -1
      There steering reactive micro nozzles for path correction laughing
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 14 2020 08: 17 New
    0
    It is very interesting what kind of optical sight it has - most likely a ballistic computer, not Israeli?
  8. Alex_T
    Alex_T April 14 2020 08: 30 New
    +4
    There is a video in yputube on how to achieve such records for 4 km. A whole team works with weather stations and observers, more than a dozen rounds and several hours are spent on sighting. Such shooting is suitable for records, but not for military use. In combat conditions, a mortar or gun will be used.
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw April 14 2020 10: 38 New
      +1
      Such shooting is good for records.
      Such shooting is suitable for testing the capabilities of a rifle. World practice.
  9. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer April 14 2020 08: 33 New
    0
    Change drastically .... not a rifle but a van der waffe
  10. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 14 2020 08: 35 New
    -2
    Another scarecrow for Europeans. The author of the pack did not understand either the "Twilight" or even the topic at all .... again the money is knocked out for the gunsmith
  11. Alexander X
    Alexander X April 14 2020 09: 20 New
    +1
    This rifle allows you to solve specific problems. The defeat of particularly important targets at extraordinary distances for classic sniper weapons. Naturally, the cartridges for such a rifle should be equipped with accurate filigree. With tolerances for the manufacture of shells, bullets in microns and tolerances for the weight of the charge and projectile per milligram, or maybe even less. This is not a machine gun or even a SVD. Therefore, it does not matter how much the exotic gunpowder case and bullet are used. And it is going to manually. Relatively speaking, several pieces of ammunition can be made even from platinum. Yes, and dozens of such rifles should be delivered to the army, well, maybe hundreds. For snipers of this class, in order to be able to shoot at such distances with dignity, you can count the fingers on the fingers. Well, the sound of a rifle shot over 4 km can not be heard. So you can shoot ... A very worthy weapon in its class. It is wonderful that they know how to make it and they produce it in Russia.
  12. Mihail2019
    Mihail2019 April 14 2020 09: 29 New
    0
    Correct a typo - 3220 m, not km.
  13. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first April 14 2020 09: 54 New
    +1
    This rifle is primarily a technological achievement, like high fashion that no one wears, but everyone walks around and "admires" this high fashion, and is wearing consumer goods from China. So here, this is a rifle for single (single) snipers. Such a rifle can radically change the situation in the theater of operations if with its help they destroy not the crews of machine gunners and ATGMs, but the general (president) who decided to inspect the front edge, but for him this edge begins and ends no closer than five kilometers from the real line of contact. And I'm not saying that they will shoot from record distances.
  14. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 14 2020 10: 35 New
    +4
    At the same time, an expert opinion is given, which indicates that the Russian rifle is capable of radically changing the situation on the battlefield.

    Yes? And I thought that a tank battalion was capable of "dramatically changing the situation on the battlefield" from an ambush ...
  15. iouris
    iouris April 14 2020 10: 41 New
    +2
    Where is it used? Practice is the only objective criterion.
  16. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 14 2020 14: 38 New
    0
    In order to work with such a thing, she still needs a sight for some 500 thousand, and if the thermal imager is so much for a lemon.
  17. KSVK
    KSVK April 14 2020 14: 41 New
    +3
    At such distances, the correct calculation of the trajectory has a greater impact. The rifle's accuracy is secondary. 1600 m for the caliber 338 LM is the distance at which a regular (lead in a tombac jacket) bullet arrives at supersonic speed. When the bullet switches to subsonic sound, the BC of the bullet changes dramatically with very unpleasant consequences. When setting range records, the so-called. solid. Homogeneous alloy bullets. And they are sharpened from a bar on very precise machines. This eliminates the "troubles" with the transition of the bullet to subsonic. On the plus side there is almost perfect aerodynamics and high BC. And Lobaev's barrels are really made using a unique technology. But, as far as I know, this affects the barrel life more than its accuracy. It's just that rifles with a technical accuracy of less than 0,1 arcminute are now not uncommon. They are not cheap though.
    All of the above, however, does not negate the admiration for the huge work done. As with the fit of the "iron", and actually with the preparation and implementation of such a shot. After all, no one condemns the sport of "high achievements" for its inapplicability and inaccessibility for ordinary people. So here is a demonstration of achievements.
  18. akims
    akims April 14 2020 15: 38 New
    0
    In Vietnam, an American sniper shot dead in front of a crowd of people a messenger on a bike from 3,5 km. I once read in the Soldier of Fortune, the year in 95th.
  19. il-z
    il-z April 14 2020 16: 48 New
    +1
    At the same time, an expert opinion is given, which indicates that the Russian rifle is capable of radically changing the situation on the battlefield.

    IMHO, in real combat operations at a distance of 1 km or more, sniper fire from artillery and ATGMs, as well as not necessarily sniper MLRS, can drastically affect the situation on the battlefield. And the influence of "Twilight", including due to its "saturation" in the RF Armed Forces, is vanishingly small (tends to zero).
  20. Mwg
    Mwg April 15 2020 16: 21 New
    0
    "The British newspaper indicates that it hits the target" at a distance of about two miles "(3220 km)" - the rifle is undoubtedly wonderful, but where can you get so many trained snipers to shoot at 3 km? Obviously not for ordinary tasks weapons
  21. Genie
    Genie April 15 2020 17: 13 New
    0
    I had a BARNARD-P rouge bike. In the sense, based on the bolt group assembled. Two trunks Montana 308 and 6,5x55. A very similar concept.
  22. Romanenko
    Romanenko April 15 2020 17: 35 New
    0
    Dusk is more a prototype than a working rifle, it’s certainly great to hit a 1x1 meter target at a distance of 4,2 km, this is an indicator of quality and high technologies used in the manufacture of sniper weapons, but you must understand that in real life such shooting is not in demand, a bullet flies this distance is about 19 seconds.
    Therefore, one must correctly understand the reaction of the British, they also do not imply that now regiments armed with Twilight will appear in the army of the Russian Federation.
    This is just a quality assessment.
    I personally see greater perspectives for our snipers in the development of the microwave subject, this is a worthy replacement for the respected and well-deserved, but already outdated SVD.
    1. Genie
      Genie April 15 2020 17: 44 New
      -1
      Any Sako-75, even Hunter, is better than SVD.
      1. Romanenko
        Romanenko April 15 2020 17: 48 New
        0
        I wouldn’t wipe my feet about SVD, it’s just that she’s already old, although she still has a huge number of fans.
        In 1980, when I got to know her fairly close, I honestly say that I was delighted as if I were talking to a beautiful woman who, in the process of communicating, sets a fairly strict framework, but punctually fulfills all the agreements.
        1. Genie
          Genie April 15 2020 17: 53 New
          0
          This is when there is nothing else. But, you see, "a minute" and 2.5 for the SVD, the difference.
          Itself once worked with SVD. But even a hunting carbine allows you to confidently shoot at 800m at Warminta (a sports target), which you can’t get from SVD.
          1. tracer
            tracer April 16 2020 00: 39 New
            -2
            Dear friend, as a person who spent some time in the mountains with this device, I will tell you this. About a minute and 2.5 minutes, apparently ... SVD IS A SNIPER RIFLE adopted by the Soviet and Russian armies. It has its own tasks such as "supporting a combat unit in the offensive and defense." So the battle formations are advancing on the enemy who is quite a human being, and not "Varmint" or some kind of gopher. Therefore, this target has dimensions AT DIFFERENT distances. The SVD rifle in the 7,62x54R caliber has a range of effective use, and so throughout this range, the rifle fits into a hit on these targets. That is why it was created. Nobody says that there is no "better" with a greater range or accuracy, but this rifle was created in its niche of semi-automatic rifles of small dimensions and weight. WHERE the sniper has to move in the UNIT STRUCTURE. Varmint, accuracy, "llyalya" poplar. The "Kalash pierces the rail" level.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout April 17 2020 03: 41 New
              +2
              [
              Quote: tracer
              like a person who spent some time in the mountains with this device

              Again "tracer" in his repertoire. With what "apparatus" can a bread slicer-sniper crawl in the "mountains"? Hike decided to crush the novorega "authority" ... Only now both lie like gray geldings.
              Quote: tracer
              It has its own tasks such as "support of the combat unit in the offensive and defense."

              Who is she? SVD? Fuck ... The rifle has a use, but not as a task. the "tracer" once again showed his awareness of the knowledge of the charter. This fighter performs the tasks cut by the commander, using his weapon.
              Quote: tracer
              Therefore, this target has overall dimensions AT DIFFERENT distances.

              "tracer" whether you talk about the overall dimensions of the targets? Especially about target number 25.
              1. tracer
                tracer April 17 2020 07: 30 New
                -3
                And "magnetic", whether you criticize me. Lover of magnets on SCS huh? Well nothing. Did you take white pills today? Why haven't you been for a long time. Does the virus scare you away? Do not be afraid the site is not contagious, although you may not take off the mask out of habit. You have not been forgotten, do not uzbagoysya ...))) You are so funny ...
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout April 17 2020 13: 41 New
                  +2
                  Quote: tracer
                  And "magnetic", whether you criticize me.

                  Is that criticism? This is the regular poking of a sniper baker in his own feces.
                  Quote: tracer
                  I took white tablets today?
                  And why do you look like you, apparently you are constantly under drugs.
                  Quote: tracer
                  You are so funny ...

                  In what ... And I thought who served in the army, he does not laugh at the circus.
                  1. tracer
                    tracer April 17 2020 19: 03 New
                    -3
                    Who told you that you need to criticize. You have to laugh at yourself. It is a sin to laugh at such. But I can't help it. You see, "magnetic" can be diagnosed for you. It is useless and counterproductive to argue with your category. How to explain the law of thermodynamics to a Papuan. Nobody will argue with you. Get used to it. If you run after me like a mongrel, get the attitude.
                    1. Timeout
                      Timeout April 18 2020 01: 46 New
                      +2
                      Quote: tracer
                      Who told you that you need to criticize.

                      Quote: tracer
                      And "magnetic", whether you criticize me.

                      Another attempt to roll over, or memory like a navaga? Strong!
                      Quote: tracer
                      You have to laugh at yourself.

                      Why do you have to laugh at yourself? Nature has grinned at you not so badly.
                      Quote: tracer
                      You understand "magnetic" for you, you can diagnose.

                      Another little thing? Then I watch your walkers still cannot reach me.
                      Quote: tracer
                      To argue with your category is useless and counterproductive.

                      What words we spied! Of course it’s not worth it, because you can’t argue against facts.
                      Quote: tracer
                      No one will argue with you.

                      Now what is happening, and 100 comments before that?
                      Quote: tracer
                      If you run after me like a mongrel, get that attitude too.

                      Run after you, do not respect yourself. Or because of you do not read the article? So you look like a named animal, barking, grinning, and there are no attempts to bite, except for excuses and empty comments. Manecha of greatness, our everything!
                      1. tracer
                        tracer April 18 2020 04: 03 New
                        -3
                        Does the magnetic cap bother you? Well, that's what you think. This is a clown's hat nothing more. But you don't notice it. Do not behave rudely and you won't have to rake it off. However, you love it, you like it. You will even write nasty things like a ram until you stop at the "new gate". Many already have disgusting to read topics because of you dirty trick. HYIP lover is inadequate. Verbal duel with you to behave disrespectful.
                      2. Timeout
                        Timeout April 18 2020 05: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: tracer
                        Does the magnetic hat filled do not bother you?

                        ??. An interesting passage ... Is it a twist of your antilogic or ordinary illiteracy?
                        Quote: tracer
                        It’s disgusting to many people to talk about dirty tricks because of you.

                        Announce the entire list of many.
                        Quote: tracer
                        Verbal duel with you to behave disrespect.

                        Do not need. How can a door mat be respected? Either their feet will be wiped out, or the neighbor's cat will pile on.
    2. Ingenegr
      Ingenegr April 15 2020 21: 53 New
      0
      If the only evaluation criterion is only the accuracy of the shooting, then it is certain. Only to realize this advantage, the cartridges need appropriate quality and cost.
      For example, the accuracy of fire by WOLF with a 150-grain bullet from TRG-22 is 300 m on average worse than from SVD with 7N14 cartridges. This is verified. Cartridge prices are comparable.
      But Norma DL at a shot price 6 times higher (in 2011 prices) flew 3 ... 4 times more hefty.