In Poland: today is 30 years since the Soviets admitted a crime in Katyn

In Poland: today is 30 years since the Soviets admitted a crime in Katyn

The Polish media today decided to recall that exactly 30 years ago, the Soviet leadership "recognized one of the most criminal acts of the Stalinist era." This is a statement made on April 13, 1990 by the then Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev about the Katyn events and which was published in the Soviet press.


Polish edition of Onet:

The period of the reign of Mikhail Gorbachev helped to uncover the truth about the crimes of the communist system. More and more dissidents and human rights activists demanded to remember and clarify the fate of millions of those killed in Stalin's time. This topic is also increasingly appearing in the official press and media. And the statement of that time (Gorbachev) is considered a breakthrough in explaining the circumstances of the death of Polish officers. However, to date, the Kremlin has refused to fully disclose the Katyn dossier.

The publication reminds that in 1987 a Polish-Soviet commission was created, consisting of historians. This commission was to investigate the circumstances of the death of Polish prisoners of war near Smolensk.

Onet:

In April 1988, during a private lecture at the Office of the Council of Ministers, Professor Cheslav Madajchik unequivocally rejected the version of Germany’s responsibility for the crime. In February and March 1989, Odrodzenie magazine published the findings of Polish historians. The result of these publications was a statement by the official representative of the government, Jerzy Urban, that the crime was committed by officials of the NKVD. A few weeks later, in April 1989, a delegation of the Council for the Protection of the Struggle and Remembrance of Martyrdom, with its chairman, Major General Roman Pashkovsky, together with a group of families of victims of the tragedy, took the urn with earth in Katyn, and on April 18, 1989, it was solemnly buried at the Military cemetery in Povonki.

The material is replete with allegations of "the fault of Joseph Stalin and Lavrentiy Beria" in the executed executions of Polish officers in the Katyn Forest.

The same material describes how already in the Russian Federation "the authorities recognized the findings of the commission from the late 1980s." At the same time, claims are again expressed about the allegedly “incomplete disclosure of archival data that would help shed light on the events in Katyn.”
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  1. knn54 April 13 2020 16: 38 New
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    Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.
    1. Mastodon April 13 2020 16: 41 New
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      The period of the reign of Mikhail Gorbachev contributed to the disclosure of the truth about the crimes of the communist system. More dissidents and human rights defenders demanded

      As I read somewhere, in Russia the Vlasov rule so far ..
      Judah the hunchback launched them into power, so the struggle continues ..
      1. Tatyana April 13 2020 17: 20 New
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        Quote: knn54
        Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.

        Victor Ivanovich Ilyukhin:
        - Deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, member of the Communist Party faction.
        - State Counselor of Justice, 2nd class,
        - Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Security,
        - Member of the State Duma Anti-Corruption Commission,
        - Member of the State Duma commission for the consideration of federal budget expenditures aimed at ensuring the defense and state security of the Russian Federation.
        - Chairman of the political movement "In support of the army, defense industry and military science" -
        he personally dealt with this case on the recognition in the person of Gorbachev of the alleged “crime by the Soviets in Katynia” and proved the falsification of documents in the Katyn case, committed on the initiative of Gorbachev personally.

        In connection with the confessions of an employee of the secret service, who worked during the reign of B.N. Yeltsin mass production of false documents, followed by forging them in the state archives, and other circumstances, deputy Ilyukhin conducted his own investigation on this subject and made an official statement.
        Below is a video of his statement of June 3, 2010, and on March 19, 2011 V. Ilyukhin (62 years old) strangely died unexpectedly.

        A major forgery of secret documents in state archives. Jun 3 2010 year
        1. Tatyana April 13 2020 17: 43 New
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          With all the lies of Gorbachev in the Katyn case, in the spirit of Goebbels’s provocative doctrine against the USSR, for the sake of the West and the USA, we must categorically end it!
          For every lie always gives rise to a new lie and liars, profiting from it.

          In the Smolensk region in the fall of 1941, Polish prisoners of war were shot in the Katyn forest by Nazi invaders. There is plenty of evidence incriminating the fascists (German bullets and the way the Germans massively destroyed prisoners throughout Europe, etc.).

          As for the Poles supposedly destroyed in Kalinin, most of them in 1940, in strict accordance with the laws of that time, were sentenced to camps from three to eight years. Someone was sent to a construction site in Kamchatka, someone was transported to the North. Some of them were sent to Western Ukraine, probably for investigative actions. In 1941, a few weeks after the start of World War II, the Germans occupied the entire territory of Western Ukraine. Hitler did not feel any sympathy for the citizens of Poland, so they were simply destroyed. More than two hundred convicted Poles from the Ostashkovsky camp tragically died in 1942 when transported on two barges from Khabarov to the port of Naryan-Mar.

          In the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in wounded medical battalions, were also buried there. And in the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the Red Army soldiers who died in battles, whose memory has not yet been immortalized. In 2006, representatives of the “Union of Soviet Officers” erected a marble slab on the territory of the Mednovsky Memorial in memory of the Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army who fell in battle. But soon the stove mysteriously disappeared.

          Myths of the Copper.
          1. Tatyana April 13 2020 18: 05 New
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            It is necessary to clearly understand what and of whom Gorbachev actually represented and represents. As well as people's deputies in the Russian Federation, supporting him.
            Then it would be easier to end the demolitions of monuments to Soviet soldiers liberating from fascism abroad if with all this, now it’s up to Gorbachev to take up.
            For it is impossible to deal with the consequences, preserving their causes.

            It is necessary to institute criminal proceedings against Gorbachev, not only for the falsification by Gorbachev of the Katyn case in favor of the Goebbel doctrine, but also for the CHANGE of the Homeland of Gorbachev.

            Deprive Gorbachev of pensions and all life benefits in the Russian Federation!
            Enough in Russia to honor the traitor and the bastard - a foreign agent!

            Moreover, absolutely nothing prevents criminal prosecution of Gorbachev in the Russian Federation - there would only be political will! And then everything in this historical process will go by itself.
            You can’t hide your country and people all their lives because of the betrayal of Gorbachev in the sand!
            All the same, it goes to the war of the United States and the “Collective West” with the Russian Federation, when we, the Russians, in any way with our blood wash our enemies or disappear forever.

            Gorbachev - an ordinary American agent • Jul 13. 2013 year


            Victor Ilyukhin The truth about Katyn! • 3 Feb. 2014 year
            1. 4ekist April 13 2020 18: 35 New
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              It's time for a long time to bring this labeled Satan to account
              1. alexey alexeyev_2 April 13 2020 21: 22 New
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                Yes, something like that even the devil .... disdain
            2. Krasnoyarsk April 13 2020 18: 52 New
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              Quote: Tatiana

              It is necessary to clearly understand what and of whom Gorbachev actually represented and represents. As well as people's deputies in the Russian Federation, supporting him.

              Well, it's been no secret to anyone for a long time.
              Tatyana, you have huge advantages. I just want to insert my "5 cents"
              For the first time I learned about Katyn from Yu.I. Mukhin in his research Katyn Detective at the end, or rather I don’t remember, of the 90s. Then, in 2003, another, supplemented, work of Mukhin “Anti-Russian Meanness” was published. Then, a deputy of the Duma joined the budding of this issue, I don’t remember the last name. And then the respected V. Ilyukhin.
              And Gorbachev .., well, what is Gorbachev? (he earned his aspen stake in the grave honestly) He carried out the task of discrediting the Soviet government and the Katyn affair is only one link in the chain of his crimes against us, against our people.
              1. Nikolai Korovin April 13 2020 22: 40 New
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                It is characteristic that Goebbels successfully used the services of the Polish Red Cross.
            3. Navat April 13 2020 19: 44 New
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              Tanyusha, what war with the West? You, as a child, do not have any winners in a nuclear war. can you hear?
              1. Tatyana April 13 2020 19: 58 New
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                Quote: Navat
                Tanyusha, what war with the West? You, as a child, do not have any winners in a nuclear war. can you hear?

                The American militarist-globalists have their brains on their side.
                In the Pentagon, the United States dreams and plans regionally from the territory of other countries with preventive nuclear strikes on the Russian Federation TMV net win.
                And at the same time, if possible, as a last resort, they will sit out for several years in anti-nuclear bunkers.
            4. Doccor18 April 13 2020 20: 21 New
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              The most amazing and shocking thing is that someone provoked this provocateur to the top of political power since the end of the 60s.
            5. SergGrey318 April 13 2020 20: 42 New
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              The war has been going on for a long time. And it goes on our territory.
              1. Nikolai Korovin April 13 2020 22: 38 New
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                It is appropriate to recall the words of our "best friend" Brzezinski in this regard. However, there is still some discrepancy between plans and reality, and the practice of Napoleon and Hitler shows that such a discrepancy during the war with Russia leads to the defeat of the aggressor.
            6. Stas-90 April 13 2020 20: 57 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              All the same, it’s going to the war of the USA and the “Collective West” with the Russian Federation, when we, the Russians, in any way with our blood wash our enemies or completely disappear

              I can understand when something like this is written by men who are already 50+. They served as a great power in their time, and were really ready to march along the streets of Washington with a victorious march. We were mentally prepared, we knew what to fight for - against world imperialism for the ideals of socialism. Men have nostalgia. This is normal.
              But when a young girl writes it ... ..there is clearly youthful maximalism and radicalism, characteristic of the young generation at all times. This goes on for about 30 years for young men and much earlier for girls.
              What a war ?! Who and most importantly for what, for what ideals will Paris and Berlin go now to storm? Do we really want to go to destroy Western civilization?
              In our advertising, through the video, there is “German quality”, “European style”, and advertisers clearly know how to hang noodles on their ears.
              But how can we not turn ourselves part of Western civilization.
              Under the Soviets, it was possible to fight against the West for communism. And now for what to fight?
              Yes, and no one crazy will not attack the Russian Federation in the near future. No one wants to raid a ridge with a nuclear club on the ridge.
              1. Tatyana April 13 2020 21: 15 New
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                Quote: Stas-90
                Quote: Tatiana
                All the same, it’s going to the war of the USA and the “Collective West” with the Russian Federation, when we, the Russians, in any way with our blood wash our enemies or completely disappear
                What a war ?! Who and most importantly for what, for what ideals will Paris and Berlin go now to storm? Do we really want to go to destroy Western civilization?

                Well, we, the Russians, are definitely not going to be the first to destroy Western civilization.
                But the representatives of Western civilization dreamingly dream of destroying Russian civilization! And only blind, deaf and naive does not see this!

                And if the authorities in the West say the same Europeans "Nach Osten!" - then they will all go to a predatory war again!
                It is interesting on whose side you yourself then involuntarily find yourself in your naivety?

                The history of WWII and WWII shows that it does not really teach anyone!

                Lili Marleen - English Subtitles - 1930s / 40s German Song [720p]
                1. Stas-90 April 13 2020 21: 37 New
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                  There have always been wars in Europe. The French squeezed the land from the Germans, the Germans from the Poles, the British always lied to everyone for loot, the Turks in their neighborhood naughty, everyone looked at Russia as a tidbit, Russia also did not remain in debt.
                  Now the situation is not like in 1941, when there were insoluble ideological contradictions between Russia and the West. And the war was not for territory, but for destruction. Now the situation is rather like in 1812, when everyone speaks the same language, everyone thinks the same, but I want to fight - to squeeze something from a neighbor. But since the XNUMXst century is now, and one cannot just take Moscow without receiving a nuclear mushroom in response to Paris, a war in Europe is unlikely.
                  hi
                  1. Tatyana April 13 2020 21: 41 New
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                    Quote: Stas-90
                    Under the Soviets, it was possible to fight against the West for communism. And now for what to fight?

                    In the Second World War, the Soviet people fought primarily for their homeland, against genocide and slavery by foreign invaders!
                    Yes, and no crazy one will attack Russia, in the short term.
                    That's exactly what in the near future!

                    So think about the country - and get ready for war!
                    1. Nikolai Korovin April 13 2020 22: 31 New
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                      Vicem pacem - para bellum. For 2000 years, nothing has changed.
                    2. Stas-90 April 13 2020 22: 42 New
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                      To be ready is yes. Sun should be strong. In the meantime, they are strong and there is a “last argument” in the zahashnik; no one will fight against such an enemy.

                      Yes, and do not pour slogans, we are not at a left-wing rally. For the pluses, it’s good, for the argument in the conversation - not really. Talking with slogans is a bad tone.
                  2. Nikolai Korovin April 13 2020 22: 30 New
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                    Ideological contradictions were only an excuse for a war not only against the state, but also against the civilian population. Now, if that, there are other arguments. "Empire of evil," ponimash. Either Reagan or Obama ... But with Trump, perhaps, you can agree. If they don’t throw it off. Nixon just wanted to make friends - quickly removed. So it is possible that Trump’s controversial policy is to avert eyes. Nixon at one time became too straightforward. Wall Street did not tolerate this.
                2. Krasnoyarsk April 14 2020 08: 51 New
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                  Quote: Tatiana
                  And if the authorities in the West say the same Europeans "Nach Osten!" -

                  Tatyana, you are right. it is to prepare this "Nach Osten!", to erase the horrors of the Second World War, and the monuments to our heroes in Europe are destroyed. After all, they are not fighting with monuments, but with the memory of the war and its culprits. Erase it from memory, and you can again proclaim - "Nach Osten!"
            7. Lelek April 14 2020 00: 26 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              It is necessary to institute criminal proceedings against Gorbachev, not only for the falsification by Gorbachev of the Katyn case in favor of the Goebbel doctrine, but also for the CHANGE of the Homeland of Gorbachev.

              hi
              Yes, I should. Moreover, he crawled from dangerous Europe to Russia (in his bungalow near Moscow and with the expectation of a presidential pension).
          2. Mastodon April 13 2020 19: 23 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            With all the lies of Gorbachev in the Katyn case, in the spirit of Goebbels’s provocative doctrine against the USSR, for the sake of the West and the USA, we must categorically end it!

            So far, Tatyana doesn’t really get it! But work is being done, and people like you will sooner or later bring it to clean water .. We then old people know, but young people in social networks have brains and are very skilled .. hi
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      2. rich April 13 2020 19: 09 New
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        Mastodon : in Russia, the Vlasov rule so far ..

        not Vlasovites, but traders - the triclore arose just like the flag of merchants
        On January 20, 1705, Peter I. issued a decree according to which "on all merchant ships, Russian merchants are obliged to raise a white-blue-red flag", he drew a sample and determined the order of horizontal stripes.
        1. Mastodon April 13 2020 19: 25 New
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          Quote: Rich
          not Vlasovites, but traders - the triclore arose just like the flag of merchants

          Yes, the flag is not the most important thing .. Fascism is whitewashed and those who served them, doing the dirty work of destruction. That's what scary Rich! hi
    2. Varyag_0711 April 13 2020 16: 42 New
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      knn54 (Nikolai)
      Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.
      And they do not care. For Poles, Russia is like a red ladder for a bull. And as it is called, this is secondary.
      Once upon a time, they had a chance at "Wielka Polska od morza do morza" and they still dream of this chance. The truth is completely forgotten that their Wishlist led to the fact that Poland was divided countless times. They probably want to be divided again. recourse request
      1. Vasyan1971 April 13 2020 17: 16 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Once upon a time, they had a chance at "Wielka Polska od morza do morza"

        Well, to their walruses and now it’s not too late. And fence with barbed wire so that the grown Umka does not offend.
      2. alexmach April 13 2020 17: 54 New
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        The truth is completely forgotten that their Wishlist led to the fact that Poland was divided countless times.

        to tell you the truth, this was not led specifically by Wishlist, but by the imperfect arrangement of their "republic."
    3. Yrec April 13 2020 16: 44 New
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      Gorby admitted everything and repented of everything that his “partners” slipped him. Only in front of his own people forgot. Or did not find it necessary.
      1. Mitroha April 13 2020 16: 51 New
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        Quote: Yrec
        Gorby admitted everything and repented of everything that his “partners” slipped him. Only in front of his own people forgot. Or did not find it necessary.

        He will soon hold the main answer. But the people of apology he still can not beg and not beg. There is no forgiveness to him, Judah

        And the Poles ... Like any small dirty tricks, they rejoice at every opportunity to see even a piece of their most filthy qualities in others
      2. Mastodon April 13 2020 17: 29 New
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        Quote: Yrec
        Gorby admitted everything and repented of everything that his “partners” slipped him. Only in front of his own people forgot. Or did not find it necessary.

        Well, it is not in vain that he has a bloody mark on his skull .. Judas traitors surprisingly always live long .. They have no conscience! negative
    4. Finches April 13 2020 17: 23 New
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      The whole monitor spat out (this is because of the photo) ... Infection! laughing
      The author, they give advice on Red Square, if they started sex there, and the country was called the Soviet Union!
      1. Mastodon April 13 2020 17: 36 New
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        Quote: Finches
        The whole monitor spat out (this is because of the photo) ... Infection! laughing
        The author, they give advice on Red Square, if they started sex there, and the country was called the Soviet Union!

        Come on, Zhen, here’s the monitor)))
        There are enough heroes in Russia, but there are Judas traitors too .. There’s nowhere to go and we all have a good lesson, for the future .. There was a good vaccine in the 80s and 90s, but even before recovery, metastases grew too much in the body of Russia .. But not critical yet! You need to cut with a scalpel, only in this way this evil can be destroyed from the body of the Russian state!
        I did not speak too bloody (purely medicine!))? And then here some will stir ..))))
        1. Finches April 13 2020 17: 42 New
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          So then it is! But it just throws out its vitality! Judas alone died ... however, the infection, prudently took refuge in the Russian flag, now he doesn’t spit on his grave, but this site has a campaign, in general, at the Arlington cemetery from the grateful American people!
          1. Mastodon April 13 2020 18: 13 New
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            Quote: Finches
            So then it is! But it just throws out its vitality! Judas alone died ... though, the infection, prudently took refuge in the Russian flag, and now does not spit on his grave,

            The EBN center was built for him .. Paddle!
            Quote: Finches
            and this one, a campaign for himself, in general, at the Arlington cemetery from the grateful American people has!

            I won’t be surprised if they build the Gorbach Center .. Damn it negative
            But it’s necessary to somehow live and fight all the same Zhen .. All then, the main thing is to SEE ALL AND REMEMBER !!! soldier
        2. Krasnoyarsk April 13 2020 18: 57 New
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          Quote: Mastodon
          I did not speak too bloody (purely medicine!))?

          Well, what are you .., you are delicacy itself. Compared to what they have done.
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: Mastodon
            I did not speak too bloody (purely medicine!))?

            Well, what are you .., you are delicacy itself. Compared to what they have done.

            That's for sure, blood on the humpback and ebn is unmeasured .. Even Hitler in hell with envy turned over in the cauldron with envy ... hi
    5. Pravodel April 13 2020 17: 24 New
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      Marked betrayed the Union, Russia and its people. The power has changed, it is time to initiate the Katyn case of the UK and begin to sort everything out on the merits.
    6. Thrifty April 13 2020 17: 45 New
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      There are a lot of questions to the hunchback, but the main thing is why should Russia not annul the fact of recognition by declaring it a political game in the personal interests of one person, namely the hunchback? ??
    7. Starover_Z April 13 2020 17: 58 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.

      Gorbachev repented, even if he follows this rut. Now let him pay the Poles from his Fund.
    8. RUSS April 13 2020 22: 10 New
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      Quote: knn54
      Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.

      Your Putin reads like that too, quilted jacket
  2. Alexga April 13 2020 16: 43 New
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    That's where the shame is for all of us, and this Brokeback is still alive!
    1. Grandfather April 13 2020 16: 50 New
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      Quote: AlexGa
      That's where the shame is for all of us, and this Brokeback is still alive!

      1. DMB 75 April 13 2020 16: 55 New
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        Yes, to multiply such a country by zero, it was necessary to try with their curators and like-minded people like Shevarnadze. I have no forgiveness for them.
      2. Alexga April 13 2020 16: 55 New
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        I read the news next about Gazprom and Ukraine, nothing has changed in 30 years, the same sellers of the interests of their homeland.
      3. tihonmarine April 13 2020 17: 22 New
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        That's the whole tale about the "Judas".
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  3. svp67 April 13 2020 16: 44 New
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    Okay, even though “Katyn” and the “dark history” are still not completely understood, but have we admitted our guilt and that we have been forgiven and forgotten? No, they poke us every time ... apparently for this reason Poland refuses to admit its guilt in the deaths of thousands of Red Army prisoners of war in the 20s of the 20th century ...
    1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 17: 10 New
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      Quote: svp67
      but we admitted our guilt and that we were forgiven and forgot
      Who are "we? Personally, I definitely don’t, such as Shpakovsky and Olgovich, so easily.
      1. svp67 April 13 2020 17: 22 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Personally, I definitely don’t


        You want I can lay out the full version of the interrogation ... it is in net
        1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 17: 50 New
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          That is, you are firmly convinced that the character of the video does not perjury?
          Many conscientious researchers in this matter do not have such confidence.
          Here specifically about this character:
          The question of German weapons is significant here for one simple reason - in Katyn (in the Kozi Mountains) the Germans shot the Poles with their German weapons, which put the alternativeists in a difficult position. Alternative specialists got out of this difficult situation easily, announcing that the NKVD constantly used the "Walters" for executions.

          https://zdrager.livejournal.com/5788.html

          https://anna-news.info/priznaniya-generala-kgb-o-rasstrele-polyakov/
          And here the general perjury is justified:

          1. svp67 April 13 2020 18: 23 New
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Here specifically about this character:

            He tells here not about Katyn, but about a similar action in Kalinin and the burial in them later in Medny ...
            1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 19: 26 New
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              But then you dragged him precisely to the question of Katyn!
              1. military_cat April 13 2020 20: 05 New
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                The same Polish officers were killed there as near Katyn. Copper is interesting because they found mass Polish burial places there (this is a material evidence), and the Germans never were there.
                1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 20: 08 New
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                  Burials were found there, I remember a few in the area where the hospital was located, and how often it was attributed to the repressed, and then they dragged the Poles.
                  1. military_cat April 13 2020 20: 10 New
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                    There, people were specifically shot. With corresponding damage to the skull.
                    1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 20: 30 New
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                      Quote: military_cat
                      There, people were specifically shot.
                      Perhaps, however, this did not make them Poles.
                      Then the conversation turned to the Mednov burial and the Tver historian Gennady Asinkritov took the floor: - Excavations in the vicinity of the village of Mednoe were carried out in 1991 and 94. As a result, the remains of 243 people were exhumed. A total of 12 skulls contained bullet holes. So there can be no talk of any 6311 killed Poles.
                      Well, about the nonsense specifically about the Copper.
                      1. military_cat April 13 2020 20: 57 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        A total of 12 skulls contained bullet holes.

                        Where does this data come from and how reliable is it? According to the results of official exhumation in Medny, 80% of the skulls studied had gunshot wounds, skulls without holes had broken cervical vertebrae. Fragments of the Polish form are preserved on the remains.
                      2. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 21: 01 New
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                        Quote: military_cat
                        Where does this data come from and how reliable is it?

                        Bring yours.
                      3. military_cat April 13 2020 21: 07 New
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Bring yours.

                        So you don’t know where your data is from?
                      4. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 21: 14 New
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                        Quote: military_cat
                        So you don’t know where your data is from?
                        It’s clear that you don’t know how to use contextual search.
                        Today, representatives of the Ministry of Defense assured us that they will provide all the necessary information about the hospitals and sanitary battalions that were in the village of Mednoye during the Great Patriotic War, and about the hospital burial places that took place there. Of course, everything must be done to perpetuate the memory of our soldiers.

                        https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/459019-istoriki-raskryli-lozh-memoriala-o-zakhoronenii-v-mednom
                        https://maxpark.com/community/4797/content/2718416
                        https://999allan999.livejournal.com/2270622.html
                        Waiting for your links.
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                        https://www.memo.ru/media/filer_public/1d/35/1d35faca-c978-46ac-b56d-52cd390705c2/mednoe_t3-ispr.pdf

                        Page 285 (36th page of the report on the complete exhumation of burials carried out in 1995).

                        I’m not ready to take a word for your historian, who claimed 12 skulls with injuries without reference to anything,
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                        Page 285 (36th page of the report on the complete exhumation of burials carried out in 1995).
                        I have even less confidence in the report of the Polish commission, if only because:
                        Precisely raids, because it’s difficult to name what they were doing. They violated all the rules of both archaeological and forensic excavations. To the extent that in one of the photos published by the Poles themselves, sorted parts of the skeletons are visible.
                        And finally, from these photos it is quite clearly and unequivocally clear that objects of Polish origin were found not among the exhumed bodies, but in a separate excavation site, where, for obvious reasons, they could not be located. In the Soviet Union, the rules for burial after the death penalty were in force, excluding the possibility of subsequent identification of the executed

                        In this case, on the basis of materials published by the Polish side as an accusation, we can absolutely unequivocally and legally indisputably assert that this is falsification "

                        https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/459019-istoriki-raskryli-lozh-memoriala-o-zakhoronenii-v-mednom Слова А.Вассермана.
                        And about the "terrible truth" from the "Memorial" book on your link, there are no photos of the remains of thousands of people there. Them
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                        I’m not ready to take a word for your historian, who claimed 12 skulls with injuries without reference to anything,
                        Perhaps this is a reservation or a typo.
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                        I have even less confidence in the report of the Polish commission

                        Yes, I had no doubt. When a person really does not want to admit any facts, the number of reasons that he can think of so as not to do this is unlimited. If there were photos of a mountain of corpses in the Memorial Book, you would write that it was photoshop or a performance from papier-mâché. I have no illusions about this.
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                        If there were photos of a mountain of corpses in the Memorial Book, you would write that this is Photoshop or a performance from papier-mâché
                        So there is neither this nor that. With Photoshop then the trouble was, but with papier mache, it certainly would not have rolled. With the brought "personal belongings" it still somehow worked.
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                        I said everything, I have nothing to add.
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                        Similarly. hi
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    But then you dragged him precisely to the question of Katyn!

    Yes, so these "events", he said, were held simultaneously. And where he took part:
    a) The Poles were shot the most, unlike other places (Pyatikhatki, Katyn)
    b) German troops did not capture this territory.
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      German troops did not capture this territory.
      Yes Yes:
      October 16, 1941 the enemy captured the village. The Nazis bombed the bridge, destroyed the knitwear shop, industrial complex, seized the hospital. On the main street of the village Soviet tanks were burning, at home. Men were driven into the Kazan Church (the entire male population and the military). The Germans did not have time to deal with them, the Soviet troops freed them from the "stone captivity". On December 16, 1941, the regional center and the entire Mednovsky district were liberated.

      http://mednoe-adm.ru/ Оф. сайт администрации так то.
      Well, to the question of burials.
      “During the war from 1941 to 1943. in the area with. There were evacuation hospitals No. 1427, 1783, a mobile field hospital No. 501, as well as medical battalions No. 258, 265, 522, and copper. ”


      Olga Kislyakova, director of the Scientific Book publishing house, expanded this version somewhat:

      - Both for Mednoye and for the village of Yamok, there were fierce battles - several weeks. The dead were buried in the same pine forest. A strange place in which much coincided. The executions of the 30-40s and the war. Even the guides of the memorial reluctantly told me: "Yes, we understand that there are no Poles here ...". To my question: “How so? Why is there a memorial here? ” I was told, in such a sincere voice, very cynical words - "You see, this is just a symbol of the era of the Great Terror." They didn’t dare to repeat these words on camera ...
  • Rjkley April 13 2020 17: 50 New
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Personally, I definitely don’t


    You want I can lay out the full version of the interrogation ... it is in net

    Strange uncle ... * I was then assigned the rank of Major of State Security, but I was already Colonel of the Border Service ... * --- They dug up this leader of this figure ????
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      Strange uncle ...

      Major General Dmitry Stepanovich Tokarev In 1938–1941, he was interim chief, head of the NKVD Directorate for the Kalinin Region. One of the leaders of the “unloading” operation of the Ostashkov camp.
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      I was then awarded the rank of Major of State Security, but I was already a Colonel of the Border Service

      Major of State Security is a rank equal to Colonel, so, given his position as head of the NKVD Directorate for the Kalinin Region, he most likely was awarded the title of Senior Major of State Security
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      Rjkley (Andrey): Strange uncle ... * I was then awarded the rank of Major of State Security, but I was already a Colonel of the Border Service ... * --- They dug up this leader of this figure ????

      There is nothing strange in his quote. The only thing that is strange is your comment on VO. You need to know such things - after all, a military forum. yes
      The special rank Major of State Security was transferred to the category of special ranks of senior commanding officers, and conditionally equated to the military rank of Major General of the Red Army (before that, it conditionally corresponded to the military rank of the highest command of the Red Army - brigade commander.

      By decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces of July 6, 1945, which introduced military ranks for the officers of the NKVD and NKGB of the USSR similar to the combined arms, the rank of major of state security was abolished.
      The special rank of senior major of state security corresponded to the military rank of division commander in the ground forces and the rank of flagship of the second rank in the Navy. Insignia - two rhombuses in buttonholes, two armored gold-embroidered stars in a row.
  • Aviator_ April 13 2020 18: 29 New
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    Yu.I. Mukhin well analyzed these “testimonies” in his works “Katyn Detective” 1995 and “Anti-Russian Meanness” in 2003.
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      Did he somehow explain that his testimony went to check and found the burial places of Polish officers where the Germans had never been?
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        found the burial places of Polish officers there
        The fact that this falsification does not occur to you?
        During excavations near the prison in the city of Vladimir-Volynsky in Western Ukraine, the Polish archaeologist Dominica Seminska discovered the mass graves of women, old people, children, as well as the Polish military, who were shot by the Nazis in 1941. She discovered personal tokens of the Polish military. The data of two of them were made public. They belonged to police officers Ludwig Maloveisky and Jozef Kuligovsky. But according to the official Polish version, both were shot in Kalinin and buried in Medny. At the Mednovsky memorial, both have commemorative tablets. What is it?
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          Tokens could well have been seized during the detention of the Poles in Vladimir-Volynsky in the NKVD prison in 1939 and were not returned. Then the police were sent to the stage in Ostashkov.
          https://tvernews.ru/news/251741/
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            But for some reason, many other tokens and other things were found during excavations. And what's the point of keeping these tokens?
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              I see no reason to try to think for the NKVD officers and guess the course of their thoughts. It's impossible. If the tokens of the same people were found twice, I would agree that this is proof of a fake. And if the tokens were found thrown out where people were at the time of the arrest and were not found on their bodies, this does not attract much evidence of a fake.
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                But a bunch of other personal things and different service signs, "found" by the Poles where, in principle, it should not have been, is falsification definitely.
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                  "found" by the Poles where it should not have existed in principle - falsification is unambiguous.

                  Or evidence that your subjective opinion about where that must be and where should not - does not correspond to reality.
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          The fact that this falsification does not occur to you?

          A man was preparing to meet God, what is the point of falsifying him?
          And this is what is laid out from our archives ...




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            A man was preparing to meet God, what is the point of falsifying him?
            and what, he doesn’t care where to meet him? In the family circle and later, or on the bunk and earlier? And this is not to mention the safety of the family.

            Well, yes, Pykhoya is also an advocate of honesty:
            But back to the then answers of Pihoya “Spark”.
            He is asked the question: “Have you ever heard of at least one successful attempt to falsify historical documents in the history of Russia in all your work as the chief archivist of Russia?” The question, of course, is stupid (but it’s “Twinkle”): if the falsification is successful, how will you hear about it?
            However, evaluate Pihoi’s response: “No. For the past three centuries of Russian history, professional historical science has not known a single attempt to falsify documents. ”
            That is, Pikhoya responsibly declared to you that everything was in order in the archives - nothing was lost and no one changed genuine documents there for fakes!
            But evaluate the message of February 26.02.2016, 3: ... ... On March 28, a solemn ceremony will be held at the residence of the US Ambassador in Moscow (Spaso House), during which 1990 valuable historical documents will be handed over to the Russian authorities. "These artifacts were stolen from Russian archives in the early XNUMXs and subsequently discovered by investigators from the US Department of Homeland Security."

            A number of signs of fake:
            The original document may not have a number, may not have a date. This happens when the boss signs it, being away from his office, say, on a business trip. But if there is a number, it means that the letter went through the office, but then the lack of a date is a clear sign of fake.

            Another point of the same kind. The "letter" says that 14 officers, etc., together with 736 prisoners "are inveterate, incorrigible enemies of the Soviet regime," but not all are invited to be shot, but only a "round number" of them: 18 out of 632 14 officers and 700 of 14 prisoners

            https://mydocx.ru/3-79877.html
            Well and so on, and there are many signs of falsification of this particular “document”.
            And I cannot fail to note that either extremely stupid people or haters of Russia can support the haters of Russia in their falsification aimed at the detriment of Russia, no matter what the system is.
  • iouris April 13 2020 22: 40 New
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    I can lay out the full version of the interrogation ... it is in net

    In the "net" 97,5% - "garbage", and 95% - "complete garbage".
    Documents to the studio! If the NKVD killed 14 thousand Poles, the question is: where is the motive? Hitler propaganda had a motive. The Russophobic Polish leaders had a motive. The leaders of the USSR and the Russian Federation, making statements that the NKVD "shot the Polish elite", did it forcibly: the USSR and the Russian Federation lost and lost their sovereignty.
    It is clear that in those years (and in others) people were shot and this is not considered something unusual. However, the Stalinist leadership cannot be denied rational behavior. In the end, an entire army of Poles under the command of Anders came out of the USSR through Iran and somehow fought on the "second front." The Polish army was formed, which somehow fought against the Germans, reached Berlin. A huge number of Germans (and not only) went through Soviet captivity and in 1955 were returned to Germany. I personally knew several of them; they were grateful to the Russians for surviving.
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    It’s understandable with pshkahs, but WHY OUR leaders do not mention this fact (gnawed thousands of prisoners of war in the 20s), and completely forgot about it ???
    PS: Well, Psheks - * pros ... European women * - you won’t say otherwise or better (more precisely) !!!
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      but WHY OUR

      This is a completely different issue. But the answer is clear.
  • tihonmarine April 13 2020 17: 25 New
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    No, they poke us every time ... apparently for this reason Poland refuses to admit its guilt in the deaths of thousands of Red Army prisoners of war in the 20s of the 20th century.

    I have already published a photo of the Polish concentration camp for the Red Army. That they do not want to remember.
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    I don’t understand another thing ---- the labeled one repented, the drunken one repented, so then again .... already three times repentance at the state level. As we see, this is not enough for either the Poles or the liberals. Slander and lies continue. The Western project ---- then for one thing to repent, then for another .. Even no nation for no one calls to repent .....
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    Okay, at least Katyn ...... we admitted our guilt and what, have we forgiven and forgotten? No, they poke us every time ... apparently for this reason Poland refuses to admit its guilt in the deaths of thousands of Red Army prisoners of war in the 20s of the 20th century ...
    And you can never show your weakness, and there will be no respect or equality. negative
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    When we recall the local, it’s definitely not for the truth .. this is the story of the complete betrayal of OUR COUNTRY!
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      Internet, core it! It’s good that we have people with a concept! He wrote about the sword / N / oh, and it was printed as about the local one.
      And again she doesn’t want to print about that g r about the frame! They cover him, see.
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      When we recall the local, it’s definitely not for the truth .. this is the story of the complete betrayal of OUR COUNTRY!

      What tagged did not ---- everything is to the detriment of our country.
      But Germany brought benefits, for which there are bonuses from Germany.
      Good evening Victor hi
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        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Nobel laureate ... and it's been a long time since like a brand!
        one degree or another of muck.
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          Became a Berlin citizen negative due to betrayal
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            If you dig around, we have all sorts of citizens wherever we can find, where only our own should be.
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              If you dig around, we have all sorts of citizens wherever we can find, where only our own should be.
              Ett yes! About which it was said from the rostrum that they should not be deprived of their posts in our country! And Gorbachea was probably the first to change his citizenship?
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                From the top then the jamb went!
                And now it’s not over.
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          Nobel laureate in the same category as Obama, Sakharov, Kissanger ...
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            These "dogs" were awarded world prizes .... and they give literary prizes do not understand by what selection criteria ???
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              The criterion for the literary award is simple - it’s strictly everything in turn - for several years in a row to those who will be the worst in the USSR (now Russia), - (Pasternak, Solzhenitsyn, Brodsky, ... Aleksievich), and when such works are not available, and to award necessary, it happens that normal writers get it (Sholokhov, Marquez)
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                Wed r early is a company, the Nobil committee ???
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                  Work out political orders. The buyer is always right!
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                    In the west there is no other type of structure. brazenly the Saxons put a lot of effort, Schaub to entangle the world with just such a web of hatred for everyone who does not give in to them and occasionally the face turns them off, Schaub did not go where they were not called.
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    In Katyn, Polish punishers and invaders of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were shot. Dog death dog am
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      In Katyn, Polish punishers and occupiers were shot
      Shot by the Germans!
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      In Katyn, Polish punishers and invaders of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine were shot.

      Smolensk remembers everything and forgot nothing. He takes revenge on the Poles for all their abuse, and the Poles to approach the territory of Smolensk deadly.
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    And the fact that this tagged with a khinkaliid attack did more crimes than Katyn. One of the water in the Pacific is worth it. Get out of fascistland and judge.
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    I watched an interview of a veteran and he said on this subject that the bullet holes in the skulls of the Czechs corresponded to the German caliber, as I understand 9 mm, this was officially established by the commission. And he very much complained why did the Russian authorities admit the USSR’s guilt when they have all the documents to the contrary. And then the Psheks would have to admit their own crimes against the thousands of Red Army soldiers who died in their captivity.
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      And then the Psheks would have to admit their own crimes against the thousands of Red Army soldiers who died in their captivity.

      And the year 1611 must be remembered, and how, together with Napoleon, the Poles ravaged Smolensk.
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    Pshek enemy, the enemy is killed.
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    Repeat of my comment of March 19.03.2020, XNUMX
    Repeating my comment of March 6, 2020
    Materialized materials:
    The commission did not find direct evidence of the USSR’s guilt, but in December 1987, on the basis of the commission’s work, a note of four was prepared in the Polish sector of the Central Committee on the need to admit the guilt of the Stalinist regime. It was signed by the secretaries of the Central Committee, members of the Politburo A. N. Yakovlev, V. A. Medvedev, Minister of Foreign Affairs E. A. Shevardnadze and Minister of Defense Marshal S. L. Sokolov.
    Fakes made public and handed over to the Poles
    M. S. Gorbachev knew about their existence. B. N. Yeltsin received the documents of the Special Folder personally from Gorbachev during the transfer of power by the latter. 8 months later, on September 24, 1992, package No. 1 was opened containing documents related to Katyn. On October 14, copies of these documents were handed over by the head of the State Archival Service Rudolf Pihoy to the President of Poland, Lech Walesa, and thus made public
    By the way:
    When PSU received very serious evidence that A.N. Yakovlev was an agent of the CIA, Vladimir Alexandrovich reported this to Mikhail Gorbachev ... and thanks to Gorbachev, the verification of these data did not pass. And if it had passed, then confirmation of these data on Yakovlev would have been carried out. His arrest and interrogation would follow ...
  • Pavel57 April 13 2020 17: 18 New
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    When will Russia refuse self-incrimination?
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      The Russian Federation apologized to the USSR as the legal successor, I think in vain, what does the self-talk mean? But the fact of this apology for me only once again proves that the data from the archives is not in favor of the USSR.
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    Humpback is still that Judah. Even the devils do not want to take him to hell, they are afraid.
    And about Katyn ... The bodies were unearthed, and there:
    Kill Method - Shooting
    Weapons - Pistols "Walter" and "Browning"
    I don’t remember something that these weapons were in the arsenal of the Soviet Union. And in the Soviet Union they would be quickly assigned to camps, since there are many of them, working for the good of the country, and not stupid to bury.
    So, only Europeans and the “European Europeans” who joined them can bury.
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    The USSR has not yet been created.
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    EH ... !!! Not that Gleb Zheglov shot ... It was necessary to shoot at * Humpbacked * right away !!!
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    In the Polish media ... they decided to remind ...
    And how many captured Red Army soldiers died in Poland in 1919 - 1922 ? They don’t want to remember about this?
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      Our media should remind it only request
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    This Judah-Gorbachev could admit anything
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    It would be better if Gorby and Co would ask for forgiveness from his own people for the negative acts and excesses of the CPSU. Maybe people would have looked differently ..... And then cut the vineyards, so it's easy .....
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    Tagged mediocrity
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    Masons put Gorbi as a cover, but Gromyko directed the whole topic. With which there was an agreement that he would become president (chairman of the Supreme Council). External questions began to be hung up on Gorbi, who, except as an agent for MI-6, no longer appeared. But no one will remember why Gromyko did not give him hints how much. If he was in the subject more than someone else. Gromyko stole somewhere, his son was admitted to the Masonic lodge and the castling was almost imperceptible. But the basis of foreign policy is still Gromyko. And the office here seriously stratified.
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    difficult situation with this Katyn On the one hand, self-incrimination must be abandoned. But then the other claims are worthless.
    On the other hand, if you remain silent or repent, you will have to abandon Stalin and convict him of murder. And there is already close to the revision of the whole story.
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    It’s time to get used to the slander of these ghouls. Today I caught a warning from the Admin, so my vocabulary is extremely tolerant. But Gorbach ................................................ ...... That’s u ................
  • RUSS April 13 2020 18: 17 New
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    Not by the Soviets, but by the Gorbachev and Co ... mission.

    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, taking part in mourning events dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the tragedy in Katyn, said that all the documents relating to the shooting of thousands of Polish officers by the Soviet army in 1940 were declassified, and blamed this crime on Beria and the NKVD.

    "Nothing that hides the truth about this crime, about the mechanisms of this crime, is not closed behind seven seals - everything has been opened and shown, including the million documents that were handed over to our Polish partners," Putin told a joint press conference with his Polish counterpart Donald Tusk.
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      In general, it’s amazing how everyone knocks on Gorbachev. Forgetting that Medvedev and Putin, being the president of the Russian Federation, have repeatedly confirmed this, they are not going to give up their words and the position of Russia (as an official state and a representative of government bodies)
  • APASUS April 13 2020 18: 20 New
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    The traitor Gorbachev could admit anything, even confirm the capture of the Reichstag by the Americans and that would not bother him!
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      The traitor Gorbachev could admit anything, even confirm the capture of the Reichstag by the Americans and that would not bother him!

      The continuation of Judas the hunchback, this is Judas Yeltsin .. I will never forget this, and while my heart beats I will fight with these devils .. hi

      Responsible for everything ..
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        The continuation of Judah the humpback, this is Judas Yeltsin ..

        Does the current president have the same opinion as Yeltsin and Gorbachev about Katyn, can he be called a weak Judas, or can you only call him Yeltsin’s corpse?
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    It’s time to find out: who recognized, why recognized. Yes and review this issue
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    Strange to read, again, hello ...
    I understand that they are itching there, but there are real conclusions from different commissions, about which for some reason everyone does not want to talk, they are creatively circumvented. Anatole, ours, Wasserman, opened the topic well, thoughtfully, with references to the sources. Who cares, please on YouTube
    Well, here's the short version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=761Pb1mE4DM
  • 75 Sergey April 13 2020 19: 24 New
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    Hunchback took responsibility for the crimes of the Germans, he needed it.
    So it’s not the Soviets, but Humpbacked, he personally did this with his friend Kolya.
  • 75 Sergey April 13 2020 19: 25 New
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    By the way, why did Russia dosihpor not review the Katyn case and find the perpetrators in Germany and the Baltic countries ?!
    1. Tatanka Yotanka April 13 2020 19: 52 New
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      By the way, why

      because
      1. iouris April 13 2020 23: 35 New
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        He was one of the first to recognize the fact of the attack on the United States 11/09/2001, which Trump did not recognize, because He is the head of the skyscraper construction business. This is the question of sovereignty.
  • anjey April 13 2020 19: 32 New
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    Psheks of a pro-Western orientation, obsessed with Russophobia, licked well their former German executioners and would have sucked at the European economic feeder, betrayed the memory of their fallen, murdered by the Nazis in Katyn, and threw their heads on a healthy one, thanks to “our” ghoul Gorbi, all blame on the USSR, the latter eventually freed them from Nazi terror and grew Poland with new territories, the dogs are ungrateful.
  • radiootdel4 April 13 2020 20: 04 New
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    Russia did not recognize anything, the hunchbacked traitor recognized. And it would be nice to officially declare this
    1. iouris April 13 2020 23: 36 New
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      Quote: radiootdel4
      Russia did not recognize anything

      "Putin is Russia!" (Volodin) It's on the TV.
  • Incvizitor April 13 2020 20: 15 New
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    Something they often began to yap, decided to remind about their existence?
  • DPN
    DPN April 13 2020 20: 33 New
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    That is why now the monuments of Soviet wars abroad are demolished. Having surrendered the USSR, they surrendered all rights.
  • Old Horseradish April 13 2020 21: 07 New
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    According to official figures, in 1937 "from August 1937 to November 1938 (when Yezhov was removed) was killed - more than 1 million 700 thousand people were arrested on political charges. More than 700 thousand of them were shot."
    Now the question is: Polish officers, police officers, gendarmerie were considered class enemies, accomplices of the counter-revolution. If they let their people under the knife, then .... well, in general, it’s clear.
    1. Vladimir_2U April 13 2020 21: 29 New
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      Quote: Old Horseradish
      only according to official figures in 1937 "from August 1937 to November 1938 (when Yezhov was removed) was killed - more than 1 million 700 thousand people were arrested on political charges. More than 700 thousand of them were shot.
      It’s not necessary to lie
      The document said that, according to information available from the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the period from 1921 to the present, that is, before the beginning of 1954, counter-revolutionary crimes were convicted by the OGPU College, NKVD troika, Special Conference, Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals 3 777 380 people, including to the death penalty - 642 980 (see: State Archive of the Russian Federation (GARF). F. 9401. Op. 2. D. 450).
      For more than 30 years, 642 people. I hope you will not exhibit them all with angels?
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        642 980 people. I hope you will not exhibit them all with angels?

        Yes, at least ten people. If you were to add it to the eleventh, you probably wouldn’t sing like that. people like you for some reason think that these numbers are not for them. And history shows that just for you.
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          Have you imagined yourself? For example, after 1937, by 1940, the number of criminal killings and missing people fell sharply, you probably think that your ancestors would definitely not have been affected by criminal statistics, if there hadn't been this decrease. It did not seem to touch, otherwise you would sing differently.
  • north 2 April 13 2020 21: 12 New
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    the fact that Gorbachev produced falsified documents and with this falsification also laid the blame on the USSR is only the first part of betrayal. The second part of the betrayal is that thirty years have passed after this one of Gorbachev’s many betrayals, but neither this betrayal nor the others
    nobody in Russia at the highest state level unmasked Gorbachev’s betrayals and presented him before the court. But there are archives, witnesses, the Investigative Committee, the Prosecutor's Office, the FSB ... The forces and capabilities are impressive, but the traitor not only did not appear in court, but no one
    from the authorities over the past twenty years, the whole world has not officially announced that Gorbachev lied and falsified.
    Where is the statement of this by the Foreign Ministry, the Prime Ministers and the President? I wonder if Zyuganov would become President
    didn’t he prevent him from judging Gorbachev for the betrayal not only of the Soviet Motherland and Soviet people, but also for the betrayal of the Communists and Communist Parties not only in Russia, but throughout the world.
    Although without this I Zyuganov in any guise and so can not imagine driving Russia.
  • alexey alexeyev_2 April 13 2020 21: 19 New
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    !!! You will die, I will urinate on your grave
  • Peter is not the first April 13 2020 21: 31 New
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    The main betrayal of Gorbachev is that he admitted the execution and apologized. We must take the example of the Americans and not apologize for anything.
  • Mavrikiy April 13 2020 21: 31 New
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    This is a statement made on April 13, 1990 by the then Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev about the Katyn events and which was published in the Soviet press.
    Well, let Gorbi repent for Katyn. angry But the Red Army and the NKVD were not there. request
  • orionvitt April 13 2020 22: 23 New
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    The publication reminds that in 1987 a Polish-Soviet commission was created, consisting of historians.
    Which historians? Of the traitors. All of them received cash donations and Polish orders from the Poles. That’s the whole price of “truth.”
  • lis-ik April 13 2020 22: 48 New
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    In the past and present there are constantly offended states or sub-states. These are tribals and Poland, eternally mourning for sub-magnitude. I probably can’t give an example of more offended nations, maybe the Jews still. But the Jews, okay, they were able to do something, but are these unfinished things constantly whining? So even the “Bug” does not beg for a courtyard handout. I am ashamed of the "comrades" Poles.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi April 13 2020 23: 06 New
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    And when will we wait for Poland to recognize crimes in Czechoslovakia? The Nazis entered quite peacefully, and the Poles in Tesinska Silesia, Orava and Spisa massacred both the Czech police and civilians.
    Ask the Pole about this - Duc, we did not kill people! And some worms do not count.
  • Berkut154 April 13 2020 23: 16 New
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    Gorby when you die already !!! who killed my country !!! Traitor!!!
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      Gorby when you die already !!!

      Gorby may outlive everyone.
  • at84432384 April 14 2020 01: 33 New
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    If you open the archives completely, it turns out that it was not the NKVD who shot the Poles, but this is impossible under the current regime of liberals. We’ll open it. And about the Poles, too, there are many interesting things.
  • Asad April 14 2020 04: 43 New
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    ,, Lucky '' Russia with Gorbachev!
  • DOKALEX April 14 2020 06: 59 New
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    Critters !!!
    And !!!
  • Whirlwind April 14 2020 08: 09 New
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    In the spring of 2012, the European Court of Human Rights decided on the innocence of Russia in the mass execution of soldiers and officers of the Polish army near Katyn. The Polish side almost completely lost this case ...
    https://topwar.ru/15303-temnye-pyatna-istorii-tragediya-russkih-v-polskom-plenu.html
  • sanik2020 April 14 2020 10: 57 New
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    If commissions are created for the political sake, and not for establishing the truth, they have such results.