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On the grave crisis in contemporary Russian war cinema

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The 75th anniversary of the Great Victory of the Soviet people over fascism in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 is coming soon. There is no doubt that on the eve of the holiday we are expecting the premieres of new films and series dedicated to historical date. But you don’t feel any joy from this, but you expect new disappointments and mass indignation of the audience.


It's a strange thing, you look at the Soviet “At war as at war”, “Only old people go into battle” or “Baltic sky” and you believe in what is happening on the screen. And not just believe, but live along with the characters on the screen. And after watching the modern "Fighters", "Tanks"," T-34 "or" Indestructible "the soul remains a dirty feeling, as if in it, this very soul, screenwriters, directors, cameramen and actors spat in the most mocking way ...

It is even more strange that viewing, for example, foreign and modern "Pearl Harbor", "Midway", "Pacific Ocean" or "Brothers in arms"Evokes the same feeling of truthfulness shown on the screen, although you know for sure that a lot of them are either greatly embellished, or even a direct lie ...

The sense of objectivity in such films is caused by the details: for example, in the Pacific Ocean, one of the American heroes after the battle is amused by the fact that ... he throws stones at the half-demolished head of a dead Japanese soldier, frozen at the moment of death behind a machine gun. And besides, he rips out golden teeth from dead Japanese soldiers.


And in Brothers in Arms, an American soldier wears a whole bunch of watches on his wrist, taken from killed Germans.

In "Fury" the crew of one American "Sherman" fights off entire hordes of SS men, not forgetting to have some fun with German women, who then die during the shelling. And the youngest and inexperienced tanker is forced to shoot the prisoner ... He does it.

And even after 75 years, but this movie portrays the enemy as the enemy, and his soldier as the hero.


In modern Russian military films, with the possible exception of a few (“28 Panfilovites” or “Brest Fortress”), there is no truth about that great war. They actually do not answer the question that torments us more and more after years: WHY AND HOW WE STAND, WHY WIN?

Modern Russian military films interpret the great past as follows: yes, they won, but they did it almost by accident, and ... contrary to all commanders and commanders, starting from the company commander and ending with the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Stalin.

Such a surreal, treacherous, fictional idea has been created and continues to be planted, destroying the connection between generations and the foundations of modern society.


It will not be about the details over which the audience, who at least have some understanding of military affairs, are already tired of laughing: inconsistencies in the form of clothing and insignia, military equipment to the historical truth, explosions from 82 mm caliber mines, from which it dies with each break almost a company, girls snipers painted around the clock, and other "mistakes", of which there are so many ...

It will be about the concept that has been driven into the heads of Russian citizens for many years with the help of these “movie-making” created with funds from the Russian budget. And that means our money: after all, in the credits in the overwhelming majority of films about the Great Patriotic War it is indicated everywhere that this or that cinema opus was created with the support of, for example, the Russian Ministry of Culture, the “Cinema Fund”, etc.

What does the viewer see in such films? Politruk, an idiot, a sadist counterintelligence agent and necessarily a character who has served a certain number of years, of course, “for no reason”, in the camps. Well, another stupid colonel or general, manically sending subordinates to slaughter.



Anyone who personally communicated with the front-line soldiers, and perhaps even managed to fight in subsequent wars, knows very well that in fact such chances for political commanders or Smershovites to survive or at least remain on the front lines would not exist ...

Accidental shrapnel or a bullet that arrived “from nowhere” would have ended such a “career” very soon ... And, as the front-line soldiers themselves said, higher commanders simply removed these “commanders” from sin immediately when an unhealthy situation arose in the front-line units.

War always carries out its own natural selection.


And yet: during the years of World War II, about 35 million people passed through the active Red Army. If you compare this number with the number of even all prisoners in the same period, it is obvious that if the former ZK got into operation, then there was a completely insignificant number of them.


Or, perhaps, the officials of the Ministry of Culture, as well as the producers, together with the directors and scriptwriters, were all sitting on their own? And now their memories of this unforgettable period of their lives are transferred to the screen? But this is unlikely ...

Does all this say that political idiots, mortalists, sadists and convicts were not at the forefront?


Of course no. They had a place to be. But this was not a mass phenomenon. More precisely, it was a single occurrence, otherwise it simply would not have been a victory, because it is impossible to win such a war with stupid generals and colonels, lieutenants and captains, political officers, goats and counterintelligence-paskuda. Well, there were no such precedents in the history of military art ...

Much more, by orders of magnitude, there were cases when political officers or military counterintelligence, when the commander died, took command. But about this in modern Russian military films there is not a word, not a word ...

As there are no films about real heroes, and not about characters composed in fever delirium who allegedly fought.

For example, Sergeant Sirotinin or Private Perederius, who were left alone with their guns to cover the retreating comrades, one in Belarus and the second in Krasnodar ... Or the pilot Mamkin, who took the P-5 enemy 13 out of the enemy’s fire, burnt out of the fire (! ) children from the enemy rear who landed the plane on the airfield and died of burns in a week ...

On the grave crisis in contemporary Russian war cinema

There are thousands and thousands of such examples of mass heroism, but there are no films about them ...

So who installed this “filter” for modern “film works” about the Great Patriotic War? And who allocates money for this vile lie? Addresses, surnames, appearances? And why repeat it from film to film?

Separately about the enemies. The very Nazis who killed, raped, killed and sent to death in a concentration camp about 15 million civilians of the Soviet Union.


In today's Russian war cinema, they almost always appear ironed, glazed, elegant characters, fighting the Soviet "cattle" aristocratic and even intelligent ...


The enemy is the enemy. Hollywood gives the right to a foreign audience to consider fascists as enemies, and domestic apprentices from the cinema do not give such a right to the descendants of the winners !!!

They sincerely wanted these individuals with a swastika to free the unfortunate Russians from the Bolshevik concentration camp, but the saduk political officers, NKVD detachment detachments, and personally the maniac Stalin filled up the unfortunate Europeans with corpses and did not allow “to bring the light of freedom to Soviet soil”.

Even beautiful actors, playing in these lying movie opuses, know very well that they are participating in grandiose cinema. And therefore, we see not the human characters of the heroes, but miserable walking stereotypes, stamped with a carbon copy and having nothing to do with the historical truth about the war. Well, you can’t make a real talent play sincerely even for the biggest money!

Konstantin Stanislavsky in such cases angrily exclaimed “I do not believe!” Having watched at least one (one!) Contemporary Russian war film, he probably would not have found censored expressions ...

Good gentlemen, filmmakers of all stripes and officials involved in these acts! Why are you faking the truth about the war? Why, after 75 years, are you repeating fabrications again and again? Who or what makes you do it?
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  1. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 14 2020 05: 18 New
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    - Do not watch modern war films!
    “But there are no others?”
    - Here are no and do not look.
    Look Soviet. You don’t know about the current ones, either laughing, crying, or launching something on the TV.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 14 2020 05: 26 New
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      The 75th anniversary of the Great Victory of the Soviet people over fascism in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 is coming soon. There is no doubt that on the eve of the holiday we are expecting the premieres of new films and series dedicated to the historical date.
      We can be sure that we will again turn on American Hollywood stuff. I bet you will. It’s so tolerant, first to show the Victory Parade, and then the "ordinary Ryan". this is the whole current system.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 06: 43 New
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        Is not a fact. I noticed that in recent years, just before the Victory Day, our Golimut has started spitting "miscarriages" on the topic of war. Cheap films are miniseries that you can't even remember the names of. Only that the plot and the acting - kaka!
        Here "Rzhev" came out. I read the story. The first half - everything according to the book, and then ... They muddied, smoothed and ruined.
        According to the book of the special police officer, they just shot them in the back, and the battalion commander in the last attack drove the remains of the company drunk ...
        But the director decided not to "dirty" the script with the truth and the special officer was killed by the Germans, and the battalion commander explained for a long time to the company commander that a big offensive at the front depends on his attack ...
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan April 14 2020 08: 29 New
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          I think these pseudo films about the Second World War need to be treated with indifference, and not get on your nerves. Recently in Kaluga during a distance lesson on the basics of Orthodox culture on one of the platforms, fifth-graders were shown a pornographic video. So, here are modern films about the war are the same pornographic videos that can be watched with beer and popcorn. Society has degraded, so such films correspond to its needs.
          1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
            evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru April 16 2020 12: 52 New
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            I do not want to agree with you, dear Bashkirkhan! ,, Indifferent, to the villains is not necessary. Neatly, putting in place, as the author of the article did, is another matter. Otherwise, ordinary nonhumans will think that PEOPLE are over. And it will be more convenient to settle on the neck of the obedient, homo sapiens,. With ,, pivas and popcorn ,, in your hands.
            ,, Society has degraded ,,? It has been gradually degrading for thousands of years. But everyone should do his own thing. Servants of Darkness - dirty tricks, people serving Goodness should strive to relieve dirty tricks
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 April 14 2020 08: 35 New
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          Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
          According to the book of the special police officer, they just shot them in the back, and the battalion commander in the last attack drove the remains of the company drunk ...
          So maybe the book is that shit? I'm not saying that there was no such case at all, but this is exactly a SINGLE case. And it is precisely this single case that is introduced as something that is self-evident, as commonplace. And then modern youth, brainwashed by the Unified State Exam, and not only young people, foaming at the mouth, begins to prove that this is exactly what happened. Once I almost fell out, when a friend of mine (not a stupid woman in life), after watching the film "Bastards", said with the aplomb of a connoisseur that they were like sadists in the USSR, poor street children were forced to die. And this is an adult lady who studied in a Soviet school, but what can we say about young people?
          In general, about this one:
          Good gentlemen, filmmakers of all stripes and officials involved in these acts! Why are you faking the truth about the war? Why, after 75 years, are you repeating fabrications again and again? Who or what makes you do it?
          I want to say that both filmmakers and officials fulfill a very specific task of the country's leadership in denigrating our glorious Soviet past. This is the focused policy of our modern state! Our state is afraid that the people will finally remember what successes they achieved under the Soviet system and what these successes turned into under the modern management system. So they pour tons of dirt, because they understand that they are less than microbes compared to Stalin. That's why they shamefully drape the Mausoleum, at the foot of which the flags of the defeated Reich were thrown. That's why they hang tablets on the killers in the city, which suffered from these killers. Therefore, monuments to the Nazis in Rossosh put.
          But at the same time, we are intensely distracted, and look what they are doing with the monuments in Ukraine and what they are doing in Europe with them. Yes, you look at yourself that you are in your own country with your own story create tricks.

          P.S. We are preparing for the 75th anniversary, watching old Soviet cinema, and we are not ill for all enemies of evil!
          1. iouris
            iouris April 14 2020 10: 34 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            I think these pseudo films about WWII need to be treated indifferently

            No, comrade! It is necessary to conduct counterpropaganda against this anti-popular art, to identify the true customers of each such "cultural product". Those. you need to have an alternative ideology and apparatus, including critics.
            Fear the indifferent: crimes are committed with their tacit consent.
            "In impoverished and illiterate Russia, cinema is the most important of the arts!" Because it systematically destroys the spiritual connection between generations.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 April 14 2020 10: 45 New
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              Sorry, but I have this
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              I think these pseudo films about WWII need to be treated indifferently
              did not write. This was written by the commentator above under the nickname Bashkirkhan. I’m just for trampling all this anti-Soviet rot and propaganda in the bud. So your comment is not at the address.
              1. iouris
                iouris April 14 2020 11: 01 New
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                Please accept my deepest apologies for the inattention. In my defense, I can note that there is a quote from the "primary source".
              2. novel66
                novel66 April 14 2020 12: 00 New
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                to condemn bastard directors and scriptwriters, and beat them affordably - this is their only weak point
            2. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan April 14 2020 11: 26 New
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              Quote: iouris
              Those. you need to have an alternative ideology and apparatus, including critics.

              Representatives of alternative ideology will soon leave for another world, and the new generation, brought up on the films "Bastards" and "Penal Battalion" and who does not read books, are no longer interested in all this. For them, the Second World War is about the same as the Battle of Kulikovo. I read something like "Shadows in Paradise" by Erich Maria Remarque. Actions take place at the end of the war. The main character, Robert, is forced to flee Nazi Germany and emigrate to the United States. Robert explains to the film crew in Hollywood the mentality of the Germans. What do those who kill in concentration camps look like? Not animals, with a face twisted with rage, as the directors thought. And honestly, scrupulously, with all responsibility, not forgetting to diligently fill out reports, they carry out the tasks of their superiors, not feeling guilty, but on the contrary, proud of a job well done. Just as before, they tried and took pride in working as accountants. "I explained to him that the largest industrial concerns in the country entered into agreements with concentration camps for the supply of cheap labor, that is, simply slaves who worked until they were unable to work, and then their ashes flew out of the crematorium chimney with smoke." To which the director told Robert that the audience would not believe him and the film would not be a commercial success. Since Hollywood makes superficial films and the director just wants to make money.
          2. Avior
            Avior April 14 2020 11: 03 New
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            So maybe the book is shit? I am not saying that such a case did not exist at all, but this is the ONLY case.

            It’s more difficult with the book, the author is a front-line soldier who fought under Rzhev, a WWII disabled person. And, judging by the award sheet, he fought well.
            https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig-chelovek_nagrazhdenie10516377/

            I think they’re giving me a nudge now, and to hell with him, I can’t keep silent.
            I think that it’s better not to touch the book and the author.
            This is his personal look. Single case? It is possible, I even agree with you, only the author came across this isolated case, it turns out, since he has this left. Couldn’t it be like that?
            It is not right now for a front-line soldier, who has long been dead, to indicate that he wrote something about the front, he cannot answer. Not what he expected from the descendants, when near a village near Rzhev, a sergeant raised a company under a hurricane of fire under machine guns and mortars instead of the deceased commander, shouting "Let's destroy the fascist reptile - forward to the enemy!" He could be wrong, or over the years perceive everything differently, in black colors, and we may disagree three times with him, and we will be right, and we are not obliged to agree with him, but he deserved his right to make a mistake and his delusions there, near the village of Ovsyannikovo, April 7, 1942, under fire on the battlefield.

            But there is another side to the issue.
            After all, no one forced him to make films according to his book. This is a completely different matter
            There are a lot of memoirs and art books of authors - war veterans, I think it’s the authors of the film and I need to ask why they decided to shoot an isolated case, what determined the choice of this book?
            But the authors of the film already have a lot of questions on this part ....
            Well, let's minus now .....
            hi
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 April 14 2020 12: 30 New
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              Well, why immediately minus? Plus to you from me! hi In fact, you are right and I do not argue with you. In war, as in war, everything happened. Only now it really raises the question, why was this particular product chosen? Why are negative moments chosen? Why do we consciously pour on the head the ears of that trench truth (here without irony) that accompanies any war?
              The feat itself is blurred, and deliberately blurred, with this very trench truth. You see, here's the thing. If you show the same crap and trench truth, then you won't bring up any heroes on this truth, but you will bring up a generation a la "and I need such happiness, I won't go to fight, let others go."
              My grandfather went through more than one war, but I never heard anything negative from him. NEVER he talked about the war, as about something terrible, but in fact he had this and was abundant. He even spoke about the terrible start of the war and the retreat from Belarus. And every year he was invited to our school to tell us about the war before May 9th. He probably perfectly understood and realized that we did not need all that terrible truth about the war.
            2. NordUral
              NordUral April 14 2020 14: 37 New
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              Why minus? Everything was in that war. Only now the current activities from cinema and not only are looking for only the bad. And "our" power pays for it.
          3. Dwellernet
            Dwellernet April 16 2020 13: 45 New
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            I will subscribe for every word!
          4. Aborigen4ik
            Aborigen4ik April 17 2020 05: 51 New
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            With the drapery of the Mausoleum, people like you, as usual, go too far ... Our grandfathers threw the enemy banners at the foot of the Mausoleum, not to please Blank-Ulyanov-Lenin, but at the feet of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief. Stalin I.V. So, at least my grandfather told me ... The parade was held with a filled podium of the Mausoleum and it was repeatedly explained to neocommics that the passage of troops, with the release of a military salute with the current leadership of the country standing on the podium on such significant days looks ridiculous and inappropriate ... Moreover, Ilyich had nothing to do with that war, so that the best units near his crypt would switch to a marching step. But until now, the pseudo-red does not reach, they only do what they ask - Why are they draping ?. Why don't you ... not whine about the drapery, but demand the inscription of the Mausoleum - "Lenin. Stalin" to start returning, then at least some sense of the draped whining appears ...
        3. tatarin1972
          tatarin1972 April 15 2020 12: 15 New
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          You know, this was not only written in books, but it really was. My grandfather went through the whole war as a part of 359 OPR, 2722 SD of the Karelian Front. In August 1942, his group withdrew from the rear of the Finnish front-line scouts, who later became Heroes of the Soviet Union, both posthumously. So when crossing the front line, or rather, when crossing the Svir River, one of the girls was shot by our machine gun crew, and there was a drunken political instructor behind the machine gun. Grandfather shot the political instructor, they didn’t give him a tower, they gave him 3 months of a free company, and the whole group.
        4. Sergey Zhikharev
          Sergey Zhikharev April 15 2020 14: 35 New
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          If the last year is 10 years, then yes.
          "Serving the Soviet Union" - in 2012. "
          "Documentary investigation" of Suvorov-Rezun exactly on June 22, 2011 (or 2012)
      2. Svarog
        Svarog April 14 2020 07: 49 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        there is no doubt that we will again include American hollywood

        I can't watch American films about the Second World War. As Stanislavsky said, "I don't believe"
        But domestic modern ones do not really shine. You can count good films on the fingers of one hand ..
        For me, a good film is when you watch several times and after a while, still ready to watch ..
        1. Tavrik
          Tavrik April 14 2020 16: 36 New
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          Are there American films about the Great Patriotic War ?? Thought only about the second world .. Sealed up?
          Check out the good old McHaley Fleet. They knew how to play before ..
          1. Alf
            Alf April 14 2020 20: 23 New
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            Quote: Tavrik
            Are there American films about the Great Patriotic War ??

            There is. A wonderful series called the Unknown War. That's just a hassle in the fact that he is the 1975 edition.
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins April 15 2020 12: 22 New
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            "The enemy is at the gate."
          3. Darter88
            Darter88 April 18 2020 12: 12 New
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            "The Enemy at the Gates", about the sniper Vasily Zaitsev, is a decent film without pathos!
      3. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 14 2020 09: 38 New
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        You're right. It is impossible to have a good cinema when half the people under 30 do not know the history of their native country.
        When millions go on
        "The best film" in cinemas. This is a degeneration of art.
        The last more or less worthy film that I saw
        "9 Rota". Not without bloopers, but decently filmed.
        Then the abyss ...
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 April 14 2020 10: 18 New
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          Here is a really complete shit Bondarchukovskaya. Better "Storm Gate". Bondarchuk's roof was blown off altogether. "Stalingrad" - that's uyo ... e. And "Sniper", "Penalties" ... filmed in a drunken stupor? Boys like Kolya from Urengoy are taken as consultants.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan April 14 2020 22: 22 New
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            It's simple, in Soviet times there was a hudsovet, which everyone scolded, but this hudsovet did not miss the obvious bullshit, filtered. And now there is some kind of filter, no, that’s what they’re driving false and mediocre films.
      4. boni592807
        boni592807 April 14 2020 21: 27 New
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        They do not wait for May 9th. Now, for whom self-isolation, for whom quarantine. What do TV-ki "twist" the people, with scanty exceptions (mainly the "Zvezda" channel), again for the "staff" they save the WORLD on super starships and THEIR supertechnology "Unattainable" by some RF, but severe, but " skillful "REMBO (played by Stalone, who has deviated from service to his homeland) mows down the" bad "Russians (Soviet) in Afghanistan, saving the ancient" civilization "! Slaves of the United States to reshoot the sequel, like Rembo, having lost his old age (performed by the same stalone), now helping the same Afghans, is fighting American rangers in Afghanistan. On sclerosis mistaking THEM for Soviet soldiers. I am sure there will be success.
        Already their mothballs nonsense, not everyone in the United States is watching. And we have TV-ki for our bored children (grandchildren) about us and about Russia hanging nasty things on their ears. What to be surprised if you say to young animals and NOT only, instead of Russia, for example Rashka. Here is "khuta tkhent aghesively sown by menachers .." How many good Soviet films, popular science films, incl. according to the school curriculum was not only literature, physics, etc. hi
      5. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 15 2020 09: 21 New
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        That you t-34 and the Indestructible attacked. It is possible to see once. The same Midway shot somehow against the backdrop of the film Torah. Torah. Torah. And 28 Panfilov’s men are generally a normal film. I remember back in the 70s I watched a movie so even modern tanks calmly appeared there
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx April 14 2020 06: 01 New
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      I do not like this character - Professor Preobrazhensky. But with such an interpretation of his words I agree to 100.
    3. Pravodel
      Pravodel April 14 2020 07: 33 New
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      I am joining. Watch old Soviet films in which the truth about the war is really the truth, and not the fiction of the director or screenwriter.
      Example: in one of the series about partisans, the radio operator falls in love with a captured fascist and goes to the city to meet with this fascist when he escapes from the detachment. Brad, which is even impossible to imagine drunk. And such in modern films, darkness, darkness, and again darkness.
      What is the reason? In the filthy unloved by the liberalists Union, scoop films were created by artists for whom art was art and not earning money. Now the opposite is true: there is no art without dough. Everything that is done, which is put on by modern directors, is written by modern scriptwriters - this is handicraft, the purpose of which is to earn dough, to chop the dough. Under these conditions, there’s no need to talk about any art. And the truth of life, so do not care about it at all. The main thing is that the loot fell, even better in green candy wrappers when selling fakes for art to the west. Who will buy and watch in the West if there are no bloody commissars tearing up the stomachs of pregnant women, there are no sadists of NKV despots, KGB officers mocking soldiers, prisoners, residents, there are no ghouls of commanders sending soldiers to machine-gun mowing, there are no drunk red, Russian soldiers, without exception raping all the unhappy German women ... So we have what we have.
      The main question: how to fix our art ?! There is only one answer: art cannot be unprofitable. Unprincipled art gives rise to chimeras, which devour its creators, it would be good only for creators, but also the people, our people, to whom such art is fed.

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous Fatherland, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m April 14 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: The Truth
        So we have what we have.

        And what do you want to have when the Mausoleum, from the rostrum of which the Victory Parade was received, is shuttered, and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the Minister of Defense accept the parade while sitting in armchairs? What is pop, such is parish.
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 14 2020 07: 35 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      - Do not watch modern war films!
      “But there are no others?”
      - Here are no and do not look.

      - Do not watch our television
      - And which watch?
      - Do not look
      I watch sports and some entertainment programs myself.
      Everything else is in Tynet
      Well, some more series
      Of the latter, I like "Cipher" very much I look forward to continuing
    5. Sayan
      Sayan April 14 2020 08: 45 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      - Do not watch modern war films!
      “But there are no others?”
      - Here are no and do not look.
      Look Soviet. You don’t know about the current ones, either laughing, crying, or launching something on the TV.

      You can’t say better - I watched a movie the other day ... and everything seems to be nothing but! .. when I saw that the letters in the envelopes were brought to the front - I switched, I don’t even say how and what awards are hung on the characters in these remakes - horror.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 14 2020 09: 09 New
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        So this is from the effective movie managers from the movie. The economy must be economical. No need to invite knowledgeable professionals who would hang out all the medals as expected and reject the unnecessary shape, etc. After all, sometimes you watch a movie, life in the trenches, and the shape with a needle, clean, new helmets, the paint glistens without a scratch.
        1. begemot20091
          begemot20091 April 14 2020 10: 29 New
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          And vodka and women - and completely makeup. Form - they are too lazy to open old photos, I generally keep quiet about the awards - who is in what is much. About the artists in general I am silent - they seem to be recruited from advertisements in brothels - whose legs are longer. A series about combat swimmers ???? !!!!!!!!!!!!! Mura, Schura, Cat, Bagheera .... Ussa ... it is easier. Cellular communication a hundred wounded. The captain points to the counter-admiral. They fly wherever I want, when I want and on what I want ... An utter madhouse. This seems to be to support the pants for unclaimed artists. Recently I saw a "piece" about some kind of control unit "Bullfinch" - three times went to the toilet with laughter. I've seen enough of such insanity. Even "Stalingrad" is resting.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 14 2020 11: 28 New
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            Quote: begemot20091
            ! Mura, Schura, Cat, Bagheera .... Ussa ... it is easier. According to one hundred cell phone wounds. The captain indicates to the rear admiral. They fly where I want, when I want and on what I want ... The madhouse is utter.

            But the funny thing is that most of the series they fight on land, they’re not close to water laughing
            They even drifted somewhere into the desert laughing
          2. AK1972
            AK1972 April 14 2020 12: 39 New
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            Recently I had the misfortune to watch the film "Tanks" about the legendary run of two T-34s from Kharkov to Moscow. In this "masterpiece" of modern war cinema, the only truth is that this run took place in history. And so everything is there, stopping tanks by the NKVD horse patrol, shelling a column by the Red Army of 45s, cutting armor with autogenes on the move, betrayal of a crew member and an offer to Koshkin to surrender to the Germans, a woman crew member who passed the entire march in a snow-white blouse without a single spot ( it's in a tank), the action takes place in the summer, not a word about Koshkin's illness. For such films, directors and screenwriters should be imprisoned and imprisoned for a long time, as for ideological sabotage (and I have no doubt that these figures are deliberately distorting history). I would also like to see bureaucrats from the Ministry of Culture who signed a rental certificate in places not so distant to them.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 14 2020 12: 59 New
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              Quote: AK1972
              female crew member

              Too shy to ask repeat
              In what quality? repeat
              1. AK1972
                AK1972 April 14 2020 13: 04 New
                +2
                I didn’t understand this from the film, I didn’t watch it completely with gagging, switched to another channel, but still forced myself to watch until the end. However, I had read before that the woman really was a EMNIP mechanic (not a driver mechanic).
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 14 2020 14: 14 New
                  +3
                  Quote: AK1972
                  However, I had read before that the woman really was a EMNIP mechanic (not a driver mechanic).

                  Grandfather said that they had a woman in the carriage. The shooter is a radio operator.
                  On the Kursk Bulge, together with the entire crew, she fought with the Germans on daggers.
                  Our tank commander died
                  German crew cut out the whole
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin April 14 2020 14: 54 New
                    +1
                    Having no name of conscience. You did not make me worse with your "minus," you insulted the memory of my grandfather, a front-line soldier.
                    Shame on your smelly head !!!!!! -
                    1. AK1972
                      AK1972 April 14 2020 15: 27 New
                      +2
                      Dear Sergey! If anything, minus is not mine. Compensate with a plus.
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 14 2020 15: 38 New
                        +2
                        Quote: AK1972
                        Dear Sergey! If anything, minus is not mine. Compensate with a plus.

                        I know it hi
                        I even know who did it. I forgot his nickname.
                        But I know for sure that he does not leave comments where I comment
                        But minus everything is mine.
                        I wrote so
                        "Not having a name and conscience "
                        Well, for the end of self-isolation drinks
                      2. AK1972
                        AK1972 April 14 2020 15: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Well, for the end of self-isolation

                        Go!!! Although she did not touch me, thank God, we work even on Saturdays. The entire staff of the enterprise special permits.
                        And as for the minusers, so I also have 2 such fans, even they make absolutely neutral comments minus without explaining the reasons, they don’t catch up with what I do not care about their horizontal sticks and virtual shoulder straps, especially since the captains are quite fine with me, t .to. match my rank as stock captain.
                      3. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 14 2020 16: 04 New
                        +4
                        Quote: AK1972
                        And as for the minusers, so I also have 2 such fans, they even sculpt on a completely neutral comment for minus without explanation

                        I have more laughing
                        Although she did not touch me

                        Yes, and I'm not bored lol
                      4. AK1972
                        AK1972 April 14 2020 16: 14 New
                        +2
                        So they’re not reporting me at all !!! drinks
                      5. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 14 2020 17: 14 New
                        0
                        Quote: AK1972
                        So they’re not reporting me at all !!!

                        And to someone they shift laughing
    6. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 20: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: AK1972
      And so there is everything, a tank stop by the NKVD equestrian corps, a shelling of a 45-ok Red Army column, autogenous cutting of armor on the move, a crew member’s betrayal and Koshkin’s offer to surrender to the Germans, a female crew member,

      + the emergence of German sabotage in the center of the USSR ...
    7. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 15 2020 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: AK1972
      had the misfortune to watch the movie "Tanks"

      This is trash and comedy. The genre is
  • Alf
    Alf April 14 2020 20: 26 New
    +5
    Quote: Ros 56
    After all, sometimes you watch a movie, life in the trenches, and the shape with a needle, clean, new helmets, the paint glistens without a scratch.

    And the smell of cologne and perfume almost from the screen rushing.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 14 2020 09: 02 New
    +1
    And the TV, moreover, do not offend him. fellow
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 14 2020 11: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      And the TV, moreover, do not offend him.

      He is angry with us laughing
  • knn54
    knn54 April 14 2020 09: 52 New
    +4
    And why be surprised if the Soviet Union, Stalin criticized at the top?
    There are no shrines, no ideology. There are no directors. There are no OUTSTANDING actors. As in the West, there are "stars" of serials. And not REALLY honored, folk.
    In film schools, they also pay not for studies, but for sessions.
    The result is on the screens.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar April 14 2020 13: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      And why be surprised if the Soviet Union, Stalin criticized at the top?

      Not only Stalin, but Lenin, Putin kicked.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 14 2020 11: 26 New
    0
    Quote: DMB 75
    Look Soviet. You don’t know about the current ones, either laughing, crying, or launching something on the TV.

    This, of course, is correct.
    But that is not what we are looking at.

    The main question is what young people are watching ...
    And then a state decision is needed.
    Really - censorship is needed. For the topic raised from the same series as drugs, child molestation, the spread of extremist infection ....
  • cost
    cost April 14 2020 21: 04 New
    +1
    the main problem of modern Russian war cinema is the lack of competent consultants and, oddly enough, the lack of censorship. Each shot of the Soviet film was hosted by several organizations. Censorship was on top.
    I will list all the organizations that participated in the acceptance of the film. This is the scenario art council, the art association of the cinema association, in which the film was directly shot, then the studio's general art council, then the film was accepted at the Goskino, then it was accepted in the ideological department of the Central Committee of the party. In the case of republican films was still the Central Committee of the party of a particular republic. As a rule, all flaws and shortcomings were removed at the level of discussion of the picture at the studio artistic council.
  • zenion
    zenion April 16 2020 13: 32 New
    0
    If the Mausoleum is draped during the parade, doesn’t the author know who orders these films. The USSR will not be bad; you won’t get good money.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 14 2020 05: 28 New
    10
    And our film production system is built in this way, or you’ll take off what you’ll give or eat in six months. Plus, the lack of any kind of intelligible propaganda for what and with what aspirations fought. My clumsy propaganda of the Second World War has infuriated me like in a kindergarten the neighboring group to play war games and we won, the description ends and then emptiness. Yes, and in the minds of the ideology of double vision the same fact was reduced to critical reflection - plus a lot of myths from the series everyone knows, plus total savings on consultants and reading books in favor of restorers and re-enactors in the role of these consultants, well, the eternal one will do, they get paid, and the money from the goskino is paid, and the rental fees and the popularity of the next uncorruption doesn’t bother anyone because they still give Trend. The T-34 review says.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 14 2020 05: 35 New
    +8
    Previously, films were made for the people, but now for money, that’s the whole difference.
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 April 14 2020 07: 00 New
      11
      In Soviet times, people who went through that very war or who were touched very closely by it were filming, and now those who were touched by the dashing 90s are filming. Here are different concepts of war. The second ones got their hands on stupid crime series about the showdown of the brothers, all sorts of cool "undeservedly served" against the "system" and so on - they filled the screen with all of this, so they couldn't do anything else. Indeed, how can they understand why they won then. Moreover, the same West where they would love to for permanent residence ..
    2. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina April 14 2020 07: 55 New
      +4
      Previously, famous artists, directors, screenwriters lived in communal apartments or "Khrushchevs", rode the subway or tram, stood in lines for sausage .... That is, they lived in the country, personally communicated with people of different social and financial conditions, and not in a fenced "elite" moral and physical environment. Contemporary cultural figures (culture?) Are primitive in their cultural needs, and they transfer this to their "imperishable". Considering, moreover, that they are better versed in everything than specialists.
    3. Den717
      Den717 April 14 2020 08: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Previously, films were made for the people, but now for money, that’s the whole difference.

      So they take money from the people. But the people are different. And the majority of the people, no matter how regrettable it may be, arrange all kinds of "Houses ..." and shows with peeking under someone else's blanket. And the greatest box office fees are collected not by "Stalker", but by all sorts of "boobs-pee ... ki and blood like a river with shooting crazy", seasoned with black stuff and dirt on their grandfathers ("you see, they see it that way"). In Soviet times, in order to get on the screen, any, even a cartoon, passed a detailed examination, mainly ideological and useful cultural, I would say. The Ministry of Culture pulled the people with it "towards bright ideals", and today the Ministry of Culture is following the needs of the people, but these needs do not always fit into the censorship vocabulary. That's the whole difference.
  • Valery Valery
    Valery Valery April 14 2020 05: 37 New
    +3
    So who installed this “filter” for modern “film works” about the Great Patriotic War? And who allocates money for this vile lie? Addresses, surnames, appearances? And why repeat it from film to film?

    Here, really, I would like to know!
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 April 14 2020 06: 24 New
      +7
      Everything is written there, with financial and media support from the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. Addresses and appearances on their website.
  • Amateur
    Amateur April 14 2020 05: 45 New
    10
    On the grave crisis in contemporary Russian war cinema


    As long as the state finances and TV channels buy this guano, they will be filming until then. Watch the Zvezda TV channel, funded by the Ministry of Defense. By the number of anti-Soviet and anti-Russian films, one might think that the owner of the TV channel is the Pentagon.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity April 14 2020 05: 49 New
    +5
    Nothing to add:
  • Angrybeard
    Angrybeard April 14 2020 05: 59 New
    11
    This crisis of the idea is due to the nature of the conditions in which the citizens are placed. And it concerns not only Russia, any film of the CIS space, look, you can shout I do not believe from the very first shots, with the exception of authentic simple stories "from the hinterland", not strongly affected by modern realities.
    I would generally forbid making war films and any remakes of an old movie. Let them practice on simple stories for now. When I start to believe and sincerely experience a simple family history, I can go further.
    And for a woman in a tank and an obligatory sekas "because otherwise the people will not go to the cinema" generally 15 years of hard labor. On TV, nothing at all except Baskov, Buzova and the defective clowns of the Petrosyano theater are 20 years old, and they want to educate good taste? This is already beyond good and evil, an experiment to stupefy and destroy the essence of the Russian soul and faith.
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 14 2020 06: 01 New
    -1
    It seems to me that there are good films, well, do not blame everything.
    1. victor50
      victor50 April 14 2020 07: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      It seems to me that there are good films, well, do not blame everything.

      Maybe there is ... But I have not met them. Name it. Maybe, Shtrafbat, Bastards, The last armored train, Love at gunpoint, etc.?
      1. poul_579
        poul_579 April 14 2020 08: 59 New
        +1
        I personally liked: Narkomovsky convoy, Greetings from Katyusha, Thirst, Without the right to make a mistake, Military unit, Yalta, Disappeared, In August 44th, 28 Panfilovites, etc.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 14 2020 06: 02 New
    14
    You watch a movie like this and think how we could win such a fierce war. If someone else leads there, then it’s nothing. Then you will switch to another program and Zuleikha will open your eyes to the essence of Soviet society. If you hate your past then you won’t have a future. You just throw mud on your parents.
    1. Old partisan
      Old partisan April 14 2020 07: 27 New
      +3
      and GDP like it, if it weren’t like, then such films wouldn’t be in turmoil. And we would not have seen them.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 April 14 2020 06: 04 New
    -13
    The author of this article, somehow unpretentiously and rusticly, advertises Hollywood, and also highlights his opuses in large and bold type.
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 07: 17 New
      +4
      And with what do not agree?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 April 14 2020 07: 24 New
        -7
        About how, after 75 years, this movie portrays the enemy as the enemy, and the hero as the hero. And, further, in the same vein. This, you so respectfully speak of Hollywood cheapies.
        1. avia12005
          April 14 2020 07: 31 New
          12
          You did not understand. Hollywood cheapies for their viewers draw their soldiers heroes. Our cheap things draw our soldiers to our viewer cattle.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 14 2020 08: 01 New
            -7
            Quote: avia12005
            You did not understand

            Saving Private Ryan, Spielberg himself, a comedy film, and without our political instructors.
            1. avia12005
              April 14 2020 08: 05 New
              +8
              And the fact that for one privates the whole team was sent is definitely a comedy))
              1. Doctor
                Doctor April 14 2020 11: 00 New
                0
                And the fact that for one privates the whole team was sent is definitely a comedy))

                Not sent. The Ryan-Fred Niland prototype was simply sent home from the front to the United States to serve as a military police officer.

                In the states there was
                The policy of the “last survivor” is US Department of Defense directive No. 1315.15, titled “Special Rules for Regulating Survivors,” which describes a set of rules in the armed forces designed to protect members of a family who have already lost their families from military service and conscription.
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 14 2020 20: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Arzt
                  In the states there was
                  The policy of the “last survivor” is US Department of Defense directive No. 1315.15, titled “Special Rules for Regulating Survivors,” which describes a set of rules in the armed forces designed to protect members of a family who have already lost their families from military service and conscription.

                  And then Roosevelt and the US Commander-in-Chief in Europe after January 45th were unpleasantly surprised that the troops did not show the proper stamina, but simply flee.
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor April 14 2020 21: 06 New
                    0
                    And then Roosevelt and the US Commander-in-Chief in Europe after January 45th were unpleasantly surprised that the troops did not show the proper stamina, but simply flee.

                    And how is it that the last son and the stamina of the troops were not sent to war? Under the tsarist regime, the last breadwinner was not taken to the army at all.
                    Or was it necessary, as under the regime of the "father of nations" - to knock out 7-8 sons, to the last, and then hang the "mother-heroine"?
                    1. Alf
                      Alf April 14 2020 21: 08 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Arzt
                      Or was it necessary, as under the regime of the "father of nations" - to knock out 7-8 sons, to the last, and then hang the "mother-heroine"?

                      A more specific about the mother-heroine?
                      And it’s connected very simply, they did not perceive the war as our people, and therefore they draped without any remorse.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor April 14 2020 21: 25 New
                        -2
                        A more specific about the mother-heroine?

                        Epistinia Stepanova, Praskovya Volodichkina, the Gadzanov brothers.

                        And it’s connected very simply, they did not perceive the war as our people, and therefore they draped without any remorse.

                        We know that they were draping, but we were not draping, but then again, how is this connected with the fact that the last breadwinner was not sent to the war?
                      2. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2020 21: 36 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Arzt
                        but again, how does this relate to the fact that the last breadwinner was not sent to war?

                        I speak once. If you do not understand, your headache.
                        In the USSR, ALL the people stood up and went to war, no one said, I am the last, so I won’t go. There was a calculation of ZIS-3 from six brothers, all went to war, no one was left. And there were many such examples, no one stayed at home.
                      3. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2020 21: 40 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Gadzanov brothers.

                        The Gazdanov brothers (Osset. Gzdænty æfsymærtæ) are the seven Gazdanov brothers who died at different times in the battles of World War II. All brothers were born in the village of Dzuarikau (North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, RSFSR, USSR) and were called up to the front from their native village. Their mother - Tasso Gazdanova (Vanieva) - died after the third funeral. Asahmat's father lived to see the end of the war, but died after receiving the last funeral [specify] [style] [1].

                        Where is the hanged heroine mother here?
                      4. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2020 21: 44 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Arzt
                        Epistinia Stepanova,

                        Epistinia Fedorovna Stepanova (1882-1969) - a Russian woman, whose eight sons died in the war, holder of the orders "Mother Heroine" and World War I degree.

                        And this one was "hanged" ..
                        Praskovya Volodichkina

                        They also hung bloody NKVD-shniki.
                        Before the Great Patriotic War, the Volodichkin family lived in the village of Alekseevka: the head of the family Pavel Vasilyevich Volodichkin (died in 1935), his wife Praskovya Eremeevna Volodichkina (1874-1943) and nine sons - Alexander, Andrei, Peter, Ivan, Vasily, Mikhail, Konstantin , Fedor and Nikolai. When the war began, all nine Volodichkin sons went to the front.
                        Five of them - Nikolai, Andrey, Fedor, Mikhail, Alexander - died in 1941 - 1943, Vasily - in January 1945. Peter, Ivan and Konstantin returned after victory in the village with heavy wounds received during the war, which soon brought them to the graves. Their mother, Praskovya Eremeevna, did not wait for the return of her three last sons - her heart could not stand the loss.
                      5. Doctor
                        Doctor April 14 2020 21: 59 New
                        -1
                        Epistinia Fedorovna Stepanova (1882-1969) - a Russian woman, whose eight sons died in the war, Knight of the orders "Mother Heroine" and World War I degree.

                        I managed to get it.

                        Their mother, Praskovya Eremeevna, did not wait for the return of her three last sons - her heart could not stand the loss.

                        I did not have time to get it.

                        What the problem is, I do not understand. And what does the NKVDshniki have to do with it.
                      6. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2020 22: 10 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Arzt
                        What the problem is, I do not understand.

                        Your words ?
                        Or was it necessary, as under the regime of the "father of nations" - to knock out 7-8 sons, to the last, and then hang the "mother-heroine"?
                      7. Doctor
                        Doctor April 14 2020 22: 39 New
                        -1
                        Your words ?
                        Or was it necessary, as under the regime of the "father of nations" - to knock out 7-8 sons, to the last, and then hang the "mother-heroine"?

                        Конечно.
                        To keep at least one child in the family alive in the war is capitalism.

                        It is mercilessly to throw all the children into the meat grinder to the last and, as compensation and consolation, hang a medal - this is socialism.
                        I’ll clarify: socialism in its Stalinist sense.
            2. Batonkt
              Batonkt April 24 2020 13: 00 New
              0
              Even as they took in 1853-4 in the family of my ancestors they took the breadwinner for the Crimean War, leaving my 1,5-year-old ancestor and his 1 month old. sister in the care of mother (breadwinner's wife) and grandmother. The only thing is that upon loss of the breadwinner, the family (until the son of the breadwinner has come of age) was paid annual maintenance in the amount of 75 rubles.
  • Alf
    Alf April 14 2020 20: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: bober1982
    About how, after 75 years, this movie portrays the enemy as the enemy, and the hero as a hero.

    In Hollywood films, there are two points that fundamentally distinguish these films from the masterpieces of the USSR.
    1. American soldiers perceive war as work, without hatred for the enemy - "we were sent to fight as to work."
    2. Too often in Their films, the Germans are presented simply as "the soldiers from the other side", and there are often times when an American and a German soldier act together.
    In addition, American films are very, albeit imperceptibly, distort the story. In the Brothers in Arms, one of the GG says to Winters-We allowed the Russians to take Berlin.
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 April 15 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Correctly, German punishers did not carry out executions of hostages (20 for 1) in the quarters of San Francisco or Detroit ..
  • Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 April 14 2020 06: 09 New
    11
    By the identity of equipment, equipment, and especially weapons, I like movies from Belarusfilm!
    The state border is a series, a series about the beginning of the Second World War, the outpost commander is armed with the PPS-40 and not the PPS-41, which appeared in the fall of 1941. German tanks are replicas from the BMP-1 in the Brest Fortress, but there’s nothing wrong with that, etc.
    I was pleased with the film by 28 Panfilov’s, the armament corresponds to the time, especially the participation of the SVT-40! Deprived in the Soviet cinema!
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 06: 46 New
      +7
      "Dnieper frontier". The same Belarusfilm and well-worked details.
    2. Old partisan
      Old partisan April 14 2020 07: 29 New
      +8
      By the way, 28 Panfilov’s people were withdrawn with public money without the participation of the Ministry of Culture.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 14 2020 20: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Old Partisan
        By the way, 28 Panfilov’s people were withdrawn with public money without the participation of the Ministry of Culture.

        Therefore, it turned out to be a film about the War.
    3. NKT
      NKT April 14 2020 08: 12 New
      +2
      The proper use of weapons and equipment of that time is aerobatics. To new “directors” at least learn how to use the correct form, and read about the status of orders and medals from both our and the German side.
  • Plowman
    Plowman April 14 2020 06: 28 New
    +9
    Corruption. A gang of hackers who cut dibs and they do not give a damn about all dates. Business and nothing personal. So they were taught and what is there to be surprised.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 14 2020 06: 30 New
    +1
    This article would be in the eyes of Putin.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      This article would be in the eyes of Putin.

      He was somehow already surprised. Why is there a little positive in social networks? How fell from the moon ...
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 April 14 2020 06: 32 New
    +4
    And as an indicator of government procurement and a litmus test of the needs of our leaders, this (filmmaking) of our Nikita without you, we will lose Mikhalkov, that's a brilliant sculptor of any government. Compare him to Sibiriada and Tired mother to his sun, Here's how to subtly feel the moment and order, as well as talented to fulfill his mother at the highest level. In general, as in Kin Dza-ja, if society does not have an idea, then there is no goal, there is no goal, there is nothing to strive for and create, there is no goal, so we are standing still merrily spinning in one place, which gives excellent prospects for manipulation. It is brilliant to forbid ideology in a society where, without a high goal, its very existence is inconceivable.
    1. poul_579
      poul_579 April 14 2020 09: 02 New
      +4
      His brother Andron removed Siberia.
    2. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 20: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      And as an indicator of government procurement and a litmus test of the needs of our leaders, this (filmmaking) of our Nikita, without you, we will disappear Mikhalkov — that’s an ingenious sculptor of any government.

  • parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2020 06: 41 New
    11
    What state, such films, desovetization, in a word ...
  • Octopus
    Octopus April 14 2020 07: 00 New
    +5
    The author on his own wave.
    It is even more strange that viewing, for example, foreign and modern Pearl Harbor, Midway, Pacific or Brothers in Arms evokes the same sense of truthfulness displayed on the screen


    The author compared, of course. It’s just that PX and Midway cause great irritation to people in the subject - they have the same disregard for real people and real history as in domestic crafts. The Pacific and the Brothers, yes, works of a slightly different nature.

    Why are you faking the truth about the war?


    The truth is not needed.
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 07: 17 New
      +2
      It evokes a sense of truthfulness, and not compliance with historical truth. This is not the same thing)
      1. Octopus
        Octopus April 14 2020 07: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: avia12005
        Evokes a sense of truthfulness

        It causes you.

        Not for people who are interested in Pacific history.

        Separate conversation, what exactly do you have evokes a sense of truthfulness... In the western cinema, give you raped German women and shootings of prisoners, and, for example, "Only old men go to battle" You, as I understand it, are ready to eat without it.
        1. avia12005
          April 14 2020 07: 30 New
          +5
          Can you read? I'm talking about something completely different. The fact that in their western films their soldiers are always heroes, and in our contemporary films our soldiers are a dumb herd. Now it is clear?
          1. Octopus
            Octopus April 14 2020 07: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: avia12005
            The fact that in Western films their soldiers are always heroes

            )))

            No. Far from it.

            Quote: avia12005
            and in our modern day our soldiers are wordless

            In general, it’s hard for me to imagine a goodie in modern Russian commercial cinema. Even St. Vladimir turned out, to put it mildly, strange for the saint.

            However, I follow badly.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh April 14 2020 07: 20 New
    +4
    It is necessary to introduce quotas for criminals and priests in the Red Army in the cinema for a year. In the archives, see how much it was, and as a percentage, show the same amount in a movie.
    If there is no archival evidence of the events in the war movie. "Bastards", for example. Below for the entire film there are credits "The film is a lie, there has never been anything like that in the Red Army. Watching the film is harmful." like a pack of cigarettes.
    Distributors of pirated content could do this for their homeland.
    1. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 20: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      Distributors of pirated content could do this for their homeland.

      Then the torrent persecutors would not pursue it out of duty (so-so), but fiercely, at the behest of the soul. And the first out of their pants would be a sweet couple of Bondarchuk Mikhalkov.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh April 14 2020 20: 45 New
        0
        For the obligatory inscription to entrust the office of Mikhalkov, the author.))) There is no evidence of the attack of the cuttings, the inscription "Lies" for the entire film.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 April 14 2020 07: 22 New
    +4
    Soviet films about the Second World War have always consulted the military (from the lieutenant colonel and above), mainly those who passed it. And now they are filming by "specialists" grown in Hollywood.
    1. Million
      Million April 14 2020 07: 52 New
      +3
      To the point! Now even instead of "Yes" they answer "Yes, exactly."
      I am ashamed ...
      1. AAK
        AAK April 14 2020 09: 01 New
        +3
        Colleague, alas, but both answers are statutory and from the times of the USSR, only "is" is the fleet, and "yes," is land ..
        Well, about the quality and reliability - just look at the mass of videos widespread on the Web about which of our favorite artists fought (or, for the youngest of that generation, survived the war in childhood) ... the vast majority turns out, hence the reliability, sincerity, vitality ... look "They fought for the Motherland .." or "Belorussky Station", there is no need to say anything, everything is clear and so ...
        1. Million
          Million April 14 2020 09: 12 New
          +1
          Wrong about fleet and land. The construction charter is one for all
          1. AAK
            AAK April 14 2020 09: 16 New
            -1
            I don’t know, colleague, I served in the air defense and answered “that's right”, my cousin is naval, he served on “singing frigates”, they always answered “have” on the ship, probably according to the Ship's Regulations ...
    2. victor50
      victor50 April 14 2020 08: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: Horst78
      And now they are filming by "specialists" grown in Hollywood.

      And, judging by their products, they never served in the armed forces. Not a single person from the whole composition.
    3. Dante Alighieri
      Dante Alighieri April 14 2020 08: 31 New
      +5
      Oh, if grown up in Hollywood, rather modern "cultural figures" take an example from Bollywood ... The same examples given by the author were filmed or produced by none other than Steven Spielberg, who set himself the task of showing the Americans, most of whom the war touched only indirectly why war is really SCARY. And he did it. Both Brothers in Arms and Pacific Front and Saving Private Ryne are very powerful films. Moreover, the first two can be called commercially successful with a big stretch. they could be seen only by cable viewers who have an HBO channel or by those who bought the DVD. And this at a cost of $ 120 million each! And it became the assertion that Americans make movies purely for the sake of making money is not as straightforward as it might seem at first glance.

      In Soviet cinema, there was a different approach. The Soviet person did not need to explain why the war is SCARY, he knew this from his own experience, from the history of his family. There was no point in traumatizing such people with the horrors they had suffered once again. However, Soviet directors even managed to put such a powerful message into their abstracted image of hostilities that for a long time it worked no worse than the obviously more realistic works of their Western colleagues. However, over time, as the roar of the weapons of that war recedes, the memory of it fades in the minds of new generations, and we, following the Americans, also have a need to depict the war as realistically as possible. So that the new citizens of our country could appreciate what their ancestors went through and how valuable they got the freedom that has become so familiar. But we didn't have our own Spielberg, and Soviet directors either have already died or retired. And the current clip-makers like Bandarchuk, who replaced them, can only create a beautiful picture, completely forgetting that it must also be endowed with the appropriate meaning. And what sense can there be in purely commercial projects? At the same time, they do not understand that the box office success of the same Spielberg is nothing more than an indicator of a job well done, gratitude from the studio audience and the director, while for modern Russian "filmmakers" making money is an end in itself. And in this we have truly surpassed Hollywood.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 14 2020 07: 24 New
    +5
    I could not help but return to the topic ... Recently I looked at "YouTube" our next "masterpiece" about the youngest son of the regiment. He was six years old, it seems.
    And interestingly, a historical fact. As indicated in the article, you can shoot based on heroics. Moreover, there are many examples. A lot ... But HOW to remove that? !!!
    They took the story with this boy and "smeared" snot on the table with a thin layer. The battalion commander's love line was inserted, everybody was dressed "with a needle," the actress was picked up more sympathetically ... And the main feat of this guy was allocated a couple of minutes at the end of the film and so blurred that those who don't know the story probably thought it was an ordinary event !
  • bar
    bar April 14 2020 07: 47 New
    +4
    All these supposedly "historical" popular films were shot on the same plot. Like a war, always with women on the front line. Like the love of anxious rabbits under bombing / shelling. Only the scenery changes - in a tank, in an airplane, just in a trench. There is not even a talk about the reliability. What is the next incorruptible "Fighters" with Dyuzhev and "Jackson" worth. Those "fighters", both under 2 meters tall wassat
    And now all these contributions, which are supposedly supposedly to educate the patriotism of the younger generation, are paid from the budget, i.e. our money. All this is disgusting No.
  • Pecheneg
    Pecheneg April 14 2020 08: 07 New
    +7
    On this subject, as I already wrote a comment - all modern Russian cinema about WWII is just shit. The commissar is a fanatic, a special bastard, a commander, and also some kind of kral, really constantly painted walks.
  • Grading
    Grading April 14 2020 08: 15 New
    +5
    Quote: Pecheneg
    On this subject, as I already wrote a comment - all modern Russian cinema about WWII is just shit. The commissar is a fanatic, a special bastard, a commander, and also some kind of kral, really constantly painted walks.

    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity April 14 2020 11: 30 New
      0
      Cinema and the Germans!
    2. avia12005
      April 14 2020 17: 58 New
      +1
      Great illustration to the above. I have no words. Censored.
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier April 14 2020 08: 15 New
    -2
    "The sense of objectivity in such films is caused by the details: for example, in the Pacific Ocean, one of the American heroes after the battle is amused by the fact that ... he throws stones at the half-demolished head of a dead Japanese soldier, frozen at the moment of death behind a machine gun. And besides, he rips out golden teeth from dead Japanese soldiers."

    The author, in my opinion, you turned down about objectivity!
    I understand you, that if in our films the fighters after the battle tore the golden teeth from the killed SS men, this would greatly enhance by you sense of objectivity.
    And if at the same time they were still Cossack swords, shouting "Eh-ma!" cut the wounded enemies in half, then for you would it be almost 3D? So?

    In "Fighters" there is an episode when a pilot, after receiving money from her, is decided to rob 2 bandits. She kills one, leaves the other alive ...
    There you have it, author, and the feeling of that objectivity in the details for which you drown ...
    Or is it not for you?
    Maybe you don’t have enough torn gold teeth from the killed bandit?
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 11: 03 New
      +1
      Read it again. Everything is relative.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion April 14 2020 08: 17 New
    +2
    And there is no need to go to cinemas for all sorts of "Stalingrad" and watch all sorts of "Penal Battles" on TV. Well, and whine about how, under Stalin, they were allegedly dispossessed for nothing too.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 14 2020 08: 26 New
    +8
    Problems in the cinema, military ???
    I don’t even want to discuss it. A clear program for denigrating the great history of the Soviet Union.
    Who rules the "ball" everywhere? To whom do all sorts of figures go as servants? The ruling class, those who now have power and money, and to them our Soviet history is like a sickle in the innermost, i.e. over them on stolen / appropriated wealth!
    In general, there is nothing to discuss.
    I just want to remember "get up branded curse ......"
    It is high time to get up and become one whole, for our bright life, for the future of our descendants ...
  • Prometey
    Prometey April 14 2020 08: 31 New
    -6
    As for the intelligent, aristocratic Germans in modern Russian cinema ... The film "Seventeen Moments of Spring" does not bother the author how the Germans are portrayed there?
    What's not to like about the movie "Indestructible"? Well, yes, a woman mechanic, and even fighting in a tank. Well, this is all a feature film, not a documentary.
    Personally, I don't like the film "Only Old Men Go to Battle" - well, it tastes and colors ... I don't understand why it is shown all the time on May 9 - it is not a military man at all.
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 11: 01 New
      +3
      This "mechanic" looks like a catwalk on the front lines. A fight over her between two officers in front of the soldiers is pure nonsense. Okay, we could give it one-on-one in the face ... He gets out from under the engine clean and painted, I won't say anything at all
    2. avia12005
      April 14 2020 11: 02 New
      0
      So there Stirlitz is the same, and not the front, but in Berlin.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 April 14 2020 11: 07 New
      -3
      Quote: Prometey
      Personally, I don't like the movie "Only Old Men Go to Battle"

      This is because L. Bykov was a brilliant actor (Petya Mokin and others), and he was weak as a director - directing is weak, naive and not true, by the way, I also do not like the film. Of course, pioneers and Komsomol members (today's young people) should watch this film for patriotic education. Not more than that.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion April 15 2020 08: 30 New
        -1
        There is no need to write nonsense. An ingenious movie in which there is a clear understanding of what was shot and why, the historical truthfulness could, if necessary, be corrected by real WWII pilots.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 April 15 2020 08: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: EvilLion
          There is no need to write nonsense.

          I did not understand anything from what you said.
          Read the memories ....... real WWII pilots, nothing to do with this brilliant film.
    4. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. April 14 2020 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      Personally, I don't like the film "Only Old Men Go to Battle" - well, it tastes and colors ... I don't understand why it is shown all the time on May 9 - it is not a military man at all.

      This something happened tastefully ...
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 14 2020 08: 37 New
    +6
    In today's Russian war cinema, they almost always appear ironed, glazed, elegant characters, fighting the Soviet "cattle" aristocratic and even intelligent ...

    The authors of such films are downright sympathetic to the SS and the Wehrmacht. But from watching such opuses it becomes so disgusting. We, the generation that grew up on Soviet films about the war, cannot be brainwashed, but kids. I do not specifically include these "masterpieces" with my own, let first "Come and see" look for example.
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer April 14 2020 08: 39 New
    +1
    We have a crisis around, and you're all about CINEMA.
    1. AAK
      AAK April 14 2020 09: 07 New
      +1
      A colleague, just in time of crisis, when people are sitting at home and watching TV video, they need to leave at least some trace in their souls left, now people have a little time to think, comprehend ...
  • Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov April 14 2020 08: 49 New
    +3
    You talked about the main thing. The distortion of history, the abuse of demshiza over our grandfathers bears fruit first of all among the grand recipients. While paying, there will be stupid people commissars from our glorious pederasts ...
  • Konatantin 1992
    Konatantin 1992 April 14 2020 08: 50 New
    +4
    "Come and see", as they say (the strongest film, very difficult). All this is understandable, I absolutely agree with the author, but this is all clear to any "thinking person" (who does not just watch films with "beer"). It's scary in fact ... for us, citizens of Russia, the successors of the USSR paint the image of a disgusting state (the USSR, if anyone does not understand), in which people fought against the Nazis and Fascists in spite of ... just going to the slaughter, atoning with blood, at gunpoint TT political instructor or personally L.P. Beria, and this is being filmed by Russian people if that !!! As the grandson of a veteran of the Great Patriotic War who liberated Sofia, Budapest and Vienna - I'm ashamed ... From the latter, if you want to smear yourself with the fierce anti-Sovietism and terror of Stalin and Beria, look (if you can) Rzhev and the completely new Zuleikha opens her eyes ... Your eyes and ears will bleed.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 15 2020 08: 31 New
      -1
      Why watch it when you can just read the documentary evidence of the atrocities of the Nazis?
  • depressant
    depressant April 14 2020 08: 54 New
    +4
    From Western films about the Soviet Army I saw only "K-19" and "Enemy at the Gates". Our military has sharply criticized them for the inconsistency of details and lack of historical truth. And these films amazed me. And you know what? Great respect, I would even say, reverence for our submariners and defenders of Stalingrad. Jude Law in the role of sniper Zaitsev generally looks like a saint. There is no such attitude towards our soldiers in modern Russian films. I tried to look, it didn't work. Adventures in the setting of war. Heroes do not cause empathy. The directors are mediocre and, in addition, Russophobes. Just grant eaters. They don't understand what audience the film is for. Or vice versa - they understand very well, but have the goal of entangling the audience with a Russophobic ideology, forming out of it a gathering of common people, each of whom is on his own.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 14 2020 10: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: depressant
      From Western films about the Soviet Army I saw only "K-19" and "Enemy at the Gates".

      I agree - K-19 falls out of the satire line of Western films about our military.
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. April 14 2020 11: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: depressant
      From Western films about the Soviet Army I saw only "K-19" and "Enemy at the Gates". Our military has sharply criticized them for the inconsistency of details and lack of historical truth. And these films amazed me. And you know what? Great respect, I would even say, reverence for our submariners and defenders of Stalingrad.

      Into the account "K-19".
      The crew member was telling ...
      A woman came to the director, showed the script to the submariners ... They gave advice, told how it was ...
      Then she came again, so that the first spectators were crew members ...
      She was smashed for distorting reality ....
      She almost burst into tears .... Her argument was very simple. If you show, then what they say:
      1. In America, no one will watch - not interesting.
      2. Recognize the film as "red propaganda".

      I myself, the first time I could not watch it - it was disgusting.
      The second time I began to look in order to identify lies. After 20 misgivings, the account went astray ...
      There, even the epaulets of the protagonist have problems - in different episodes, different ranks ...

      By the way, the film begins with the boat being pushed out of the factory with imperfections and without a full test cycle. This is a lie. But, for example, the American "Thresher" died for this very reason.
      Metamorphoses ...
      And who cares ...

      And about the fact that Korchilov went into radiation as a volunteer, this amers will never understand. He no longer served in the reactor compartment, but knew the equipment better than others.
      Our Heroes have eternal memory. And we are responsible so that this memory does not go away with us.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 15 2020 08: 34 New
      +1
      If "K-19" is an attempt at a film about Americanized Soviet submariners with typical Hollywood techniques, then I don't remember what is respectful about "Enemy at the Gates". The usual anti-Soviet propaganda.
  • Konatantin 1992
    Konatantin 1992 April 14 2020 09: 03 New
    +4
    And so I can advise (although if a person, person, not biomass), see old Soviet films. Epic movie Liberation, Some old people go into battle, And the dawns here are quiet, Officers, They fought for their Motherland, Cranes are flying, Go and see (everyone should see to know and remember ...), Ati-bats were soldiers, Father of a soldier, In war as in war, Shield and sword, Battalions ask for fire, Hot snow, Lark, Chronicle of a dive bomber .... this list is very long.
    1. albert
      albert April 14 2020 14: 03 New
      0
      Of the modern ones, I can recommend the documentary series "The Great War" of 2011. The filmed is very interesting, I reviewed it many times. The company star-media has a great thing.
    2. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 21: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Konatantin 1992
      And so I can advise (although if a person, person, not biomass), see old Soviet films. Epic movie Liberation, Some old people go into battle, And the dawns here are quiet, Officers, They fought for their Motherland, Cranes are flying, Go and see (everyone should see to know and remember ...), Ati-bats were soldiers, Father of a soldier, In war as in war, Shield and sword, Battalions ask for fire, Hot snow, Lark, Chronicle of a dive bomber .... this list is very long.

      And perhaps the most piercing film is Ordinary Fascism.
    3. EvilLion
      EvilLion April 15 2020 08: 40 New
      -4
      Do not watch "Liberation" in any case. to teach materiel according to normal historical documents. I tried to watch "Shield and Sword", I dropped it, but I don't really like the movie about spies.

      "And the dawns here are quiet" can hardly be called a military one, after all, a big war is somewhere on the sidelines, leaving the history of the foreman already unfit for combatant at the front and 5 girls with whom he has to stop the superior enemy group. In this regard, he is even further from the war than "The Ballad of the Soldier", where the GG at least actually does not leave the front.
      1. Marine engineer
        Marine engineer April 15 2020 15: 03 New
        0
        Is Living and Dead good?
  • DPN
    DPN April 14 2020 09: 12 New
    +3
    Yes, they became anti-Soviet, starting with the film; Bastards "to this day.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 14 2020 09: 12 New
    +3
    One might think that the rest of "contemporary Russian cinema" is not a crisis.
    Stupid films, often stupidly worsened, copied from the west.
  • vel1163
    vel1163 April 14 2020 09: 15 New
    +8
    Well, how can our directors and producers get out if there is a clear installation of soldiers and people are heroes and power is crap. There is victory, but everything was bad in the Soviet country. If you make truthful films, you must immediately say that there were good and bad ones. But the plants worked The military quickly learned and soon surpassed the German, the Russian soldier is the best in the world, the Russian commanders too, and Stalin the inspirer and organizer of victories.
  • Maxim364364
    Maxim364364 April 14 2020 09: 22 New
    +7
    In the Brest Fortress, the NKVD schnick was well removed, in the heat of battle split the German saboteur, fought with his subordinates to the end, died as a hero in battle. No icons, policies, cuttings from shovels and stupidity like Nikita Sergeevich.
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf April 14 2020 09: 33 New
    +5
    Somehow I accidentally saw a slapstick film about the creator of the T-34 tank, Koshkin. It's called "Tanks". It's just a scribe! I was sick for a week.
    https://yandex.fr/video/preview/?filmId=9054205279851615549&text=фильм%20Танки&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1586845941432597-161829324765486141700324-production-app-host-vla-web-yp-107&redircnt=1586845959.1
    1. Siberian54
      Siberian54 April 15 2020 16: 43 New
      -2
      In fact, the T-34 was designed by another person, Koshkin was just an administrator who sat down on the finished project, and the designer was taken in for execution, so the tank had so many "children's sores, the remaining people did not pull the job.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 14 2020 09: 46 New
    +4
    Discussion, miracles on bends. It is necessary to scold the defective managers, but not to hurt the power under which these menagers flourish.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 14 2020 10: 07 New
    +1
    And who generally watches modern war films ??? Well, let's start with the fact that not many people love war films, and those who love know that the best films about the Second World War were shot in the USSR and only a few are being advertised, or they specifically watch modern feces to discuss later on.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 14 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    It's a strange thing, you look at the Soviet “At war as at war”, “Only old people go into battle” or “Baltic sky” and believe in what is happening on the screen.
    What is the feeling after watching "Die Hard" or "Sergeant Tsybuli's Country Trip"?
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 10: 56 New
      +2
      Normal. Now, if 90 percent of films on this topic were "Country Trips" or "Die Hard", then I would feel sick.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2020 10: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: avia12005
        Normal. Now, if 90 percent of films on this topic were "Country Trips" or "Die Hard", then I would feel sick.

        And the fact of the matter is that since that time all the "slag" "crumbled and settled" and "diamonds" remained, the same will happen with modern films over time.
        1. avia12005
          April 14 2020 13: 56 New
          0
          What will happen to those who form their view of the war on the basis of such "diamonds"? And what will happen to the country and to us? Salt.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 14 2020 14: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: avia12005
            What will happen to those who form their view of the war on the basis of such "diamonds"?

            I think that "Panfilov's 28", "Rubezh", I really hope that "Podolsk cadets" will be excellent "diamonds"
            1. avia12005
              April 14 2020 14: 26 New
              0
              Exactly! God grant that it be so.
  • iouris
    iouris April 14 2020 10: 30 New
    0
    "Behold at the root!" (Kozma Prutkov)
    Art is a superstructure phenomenon related to the sphere of ideology. Having not solved the fundamental issue of ownership and methods of distribution of the material and spiritual goods produced, it is impossible to create an alternative ideology and new art that adequately reflects the goals and objectives of the people!
    The proposed text is another "lament of Yaroslavna".
    1. Tavrik
      Tavrik April 14 2020 16: 54 New
      0
      Correctly! We read the work of Lenin about partisanship in literature.
  • U-58
    U-58 April 14 2020 10: 31 New
    +1
    Somehow, the theme of the characters is touched on casually.
    But we all see how the presence of a huge number of representatives in carpet-tunic tunics and hats with a blue top is an inalienable attribute of modern vernal cinema.
    NKVD is our FSE.
    Moreover, front-line counterintelligence agents are also shown in this form, which the spirit did not have.
    And they are half the action of the films ...
    1. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 21: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: U-58
      But we all see how the presence of a huge number of representatives in carpet-tunic tunics and hats with a blue top is an inalienable attribute of modern vernal cinema.
      NKVD is our FSE.

      The well-known artist Peter Dennis.

      So they represent our soldiers. Apparently, the stereotype is once a political instructor, then a Jew.
  • Prometey
    Prometey April 14 2020 10: 37 New
    -3
    Yes, and in Soviet films there were enough tricks.
    "Aty-bats, soldiers were walking." A heroic, not bad movie overall. But the plot itself hurts the eye. 1944, the Red Army inflicts crushing blows on the Wehrmacht ... and bam - like in 1941, a platoon of tank destroyers, armed only with an anti-tank rifle, is at the forefront of the attack of the breakthrough Germans. I understand that it was necessary to show the heroism of Soviet soldiers. But, damn it, this is already 1944. What are grenades and anti-tank weapons in the fight against tanks? Not a single anti-tank gun. Why the heck was to lower the command of the Red Army, showing that for 3 years nothing has changed in the war and the Red Army men are throwing themselves under tanks with grenades near Moscow in 41? Moreover, there even "Tiger" rolled out from somewhere. And he almost needs to be stopped with his bare hands. Well, those films. "Hot snow" and "Battalions are asking for fire" - our everything.
    1. avia12005
      April 14 2020 11: 07 New
      +2
      Everything happened at the front. The main thing is the pitch. This is respect and gratitude, not dousing.
    2. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx April 14 2020 11: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Prometey
      But, damn it, it's already 1944. What grenades and PTR in the fight against tanks? Not a single anti-tank gun. Why the heck was it to omit the command of the Red Army, showing that for 3 years nothing had changed in the war and that the Red Army men, like in Moscow, in 41, were rushing under tanks with grenades?

      Do you think that this could not be in 1944? I watched the German Chronicle and 44 and 45, and some of our descriptions of the fighting. Believe me, everything happened there. Wehrmacht had small-town successes. They beat off settlements, stations, ambushes were arranged, prisoners were captured. Another thing is that they generally did not exert any influence on the events as a whole.
    3. Alf
      Alf April 14 2020 21: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      Aty-bats, soldiers were walking. "A heroic, not bad film in general. But the plot itself hurts the eye. 1944,

      Stop. What side is this 1944th year?
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 14 2020 22: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Alf
        Stop. What side is this 1944th year?

        Well, with this - according to the script of the film. Well, something even looks like a breakthrough from the Iasi-Chisinau boiler.
        1. Alf
          Alf April 14 2020 22: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Prometey
          Quote: Alf
          Stop. What side is this 1944th year?

          Well, with this - according to the script of the film. Well, something even looks like a breakthrough from the Iasi-Chisinau boiler.

          And where is the 44th in the film?
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 14 2020 10: 42 New
    +5
    In recent years, I don’t watch "Russian" films at all ... Sometimes I tried ... on "recommendations" (!), But it happened that I turned it off in the "middle of the film"! "Attraction" (wife and granddaughter "twisted" their hands and led ...) ... "absurdities" in the film were enough for "impressions"! When my wife and granddaughter tried to "drive" me to f. "Invasion", I put up "fierce resistance", and they had to retreat ... Now, "on TV" they advertise some kind of "pro-Tatar" film ... I just had to "look" at the fragments of the "movie" (animals-nkvdeshniki ... inhuman camp conditions - everything is in the "spirit" of Solzhenitsyn!) to decide that I will not watch this film!
  • o_zotov
    o_zotov April 14 2020 10: 55 New
    +1
    It's a strange thing, you look at the Soviet “At war as at war”, “Only old people go into battle” or “Baltic sky” and believe in what is happening on the screen. And you do not just believe, but live along with the characters on the screen.


    Those who caught the war, whose young parents fought, left the cinema. Remained Mikhalkovskie fosterlings extra chromosomal medina. What to expect from them?
  • Olddetractor
    Olddetractor April 14 2020 11: 02 New
    +5
    Quote: Prometey
    Yes, and in Soviet films there were enough tricks.
    "Aty-bats, soldiers were walking"

    The prototype was a platoon of Lieutenant Shironin, who defended the railway crossing near the village of Taranovka in the Kharkov region in March 1943. All platoon fighters and the commander were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union. The film is of course an art
  • Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx April 14 2020 11: 19 New
    +4
    And from my childhood I remember the book "A Man Does Not Give Up" where a young political instructor finds himself right on the eve of the war in the border unit and then leads the soldiers out of the encirclement. That's where the heroism is! Until now, under the impression - as if he himself walked through the Belarusian forests to the Berezina.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 14 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    In modern Russian military films, with the possible exception of a few (“28 Panfilovites” or “Brest Fortress”), there is no truth about that great war.
    There is also a good film "STAR", my granddaughters watched it several times, at that time all the artists were normal people (I'm talking about A. Panin)
    1. begemot20091
      begemot20091 April 18 2020 19: 47 New
      -1
      Awesome shit. And how do you remember it? Panin was normal. Probably, somewhere far away they shot and they couldn’t run for a bottle. Is he actually an artist? I had the opinion that this fool from a psychiatric hospital was released for hype, and then his directors noticed: but mine and ... Well, the yoke into the movie.
  • Grandfather Crimea
    Grandfather Crimea April 14 2020 12: 05 New
    +4
    The topic raised is relevant. Immediately I remembered the phrase about one director-actor (youngest)))) "Fedya, where are the boobs ?!" Zadolbal Bondarchuk Jr. is seen by many that they walked on him like that ...
    The phenomenon is probably that the wrong people go to art, there are possibly talented people, but only scum find sponsors (like themselves) and create "masterpieces". Worship of everything Western, deviation from the norm (both in thinking and sex - role), perversion of natures and stupidity, wretchedness passed off as insiderism and creatism - can create something that people and eats ((((((It's a shame, like that, however ((
  • Ruby
    Ruby April 14 2020 12: 11 New
    +1
    My aunt’s husband walked from Kursk to Berlin. I could not watch films about the war, and I always said that there was no truth at all from the word at all. And he was talking about Soviet films, and as far as I know, many front-line soldiers had such an attitude to cinema. This is the question of generations. Today's youth has a completely different story and teaches and perceives. Give them a hype. Here are the directors and try. They need a cash register first of all, they don't give a damn about the rest.