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Communists of Eastern Europe. They did not become “strange” allies

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Capitulators and fellow travelers



After the death of Stalin, the Soviet leadership until perestroika had a craving for strange allies, sometimes completely inexplicable. Only in recent years has it become clear that few of the communist leaders of the countries of Eastern Europe, with whom Khrushchev hugged and kissed Brezhnev, could really be considered “faithful Leninists”.

However, most Soviet leaders, we admit, were not like that either. Isn't that why the frank preference that the Kremlin gave to “loyal companions” began with Khrushchev? And this despite the fact that not only in the USSR were those who opposed both "fellow travelers" and "capitulators."


The Soviet Union brought to the altar of victory in the Great Patriotic War and, in general, in the Second World War, completely unprecedented sacrifices. However unprecedented in the world stories steel and the incompetent loss of its successful results for the state and the subsequent exodus of the USSR from Eastern Europe.

At one time, all this would rightly be called capitulation. For many years, the USSR virtually destroyed itself and "squeezed out" of Eastern Europe. This surprised even one of the most consistent anti-Soviet advisers — Zbigniew Brzezinski.


More recently, the whole world was silent when Brzezinski spoke

In his opinion,

"shortly after Stalin, power in Moscow and in the localities was in the hands of ever less competent figures. They only cared about their own power at all costs. And ideology quickly turned into a screen for careerists and flattering officials, which were more often ridiculed in jokes. The same criterion, Naturally, soon prevailed in Eastern Europe. "

In such a transformation, according to Brzezinski, "there could be no place for adherence to communist ideology, which initially shook the USSR and many of its allies." And "it is not surprising that the involvement of Moscow in the arms race, although largely successful for the USSR, was not accompanied by proper measures to strengthen the civilian economy and especially its consumer segment."

It is hardly possible to dispute such estimates. By the way, the authorities of the People's Republic of China have repeatedly expressed themselves in the same spirit (in Beijing they are still not talking about this), as well as Albania, North Korea, and many communist parties of developing and capitalist countries. These true communists managed to preserve their parties, most of which arose after the notorious XX Congress of the CPSU. Incidentally, they are still valid today, in contrast to the Communist Party companions who have died in a Bose.

One cannot but recall that Lenin had long spoken out harshly about petty-bourgeois companions long before the October Revolution. But this biting definition gained particular popularity during the Civil War in Spain, when representatives of the most motley political forces appeared on the side of the republic. As a result, internal contradictions, lack of unity became almost the main reason for the defeat of the "red" Spain.

We will not announce the entire list ... Pole, Slovak, Bulgarian


As for the strange, to put it mildly, allies of Moscow, it is worth recalling especially the political and personal fate of at least several leaders of the countries of people's democracy from the mid-50s to the late 80s. Among those who did not want to be either a companion or a surrender.

Recall at the same time that the names of communist leaders who were not afraid to criticize the heirs of the “leader of the peoples” and their ideological turns, were hushed up under Khrushchev and Brezhnev. The authorities reasonably feared defeat in public debate with such figures, and later they became interesting only to historians.

Pole


The first is Kazimierz Miyal (1910-2010), a participant in the defense of Warsaw (1939) and the Warsaw Uprising (1944), the hero of the Polish People’s Republic. Being from the beginning of 1948 a member of the Central Committee of the PUWP (Polish United Workers' Party), in 1949-56. he headed the office of the first president of people's Poland (1947-56) Boleslav Bierut.

Communists of Eastern Europe. They did not become “strange” allies
Kazimierz Miyal. It was no coincidence that the great helmsman appreciated

As you know, Take suddenly died in Moscow shortly after the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU (see “Why Polish politicians aggravated border syndrome”) Miyal was then immediately relegated to the second roles, which were not decisive for economic departments. Nevertheless, an experienced politician continued to speak openly not only about the collaboration of the pre-war and emigrant authorities of Poland, but also against Khrushchev's anti-Stalinism.

The policy of the Polish leadership after Bierut, like the new "thawing" course of the CPSU, Miyal openly called direct betrayal of the cause of Lenin. Despite the exception in 1964-1965. from the Central Committee and from the PUWP itself, K. Miyal did not reconcile, having founded the semi-legal Stalinist “Maoist” Communist Party of Poland and was its secretary general from 1965 to 1996. In 1966, he was forced to emigrate and until 1983 he lived in Albania and China.

Miyal published his views in the media, spoke in radio programs in Beijing and Tirana in Polish and Russian, as well as at political and ideological events there. Miyal’s works and performances of those years were illegal, and, of course, were not distributed too widely in Poland and the USSR.

The retired politician very reasonably accused Moscow and Warsaw of "deliberately moving away from socialism", "growing incompetence from top to bottom", "growing corruption", and "ideological primitiveness." Which together, as Miyal believed, led to well-known events in the USSR and Poland at the turn of the 80s and 90s. It is characteristic that the orthodox communist party led by Miyal (and it consisted mainly of workers and engineering workers) survived both the PUWP and the CPSU.

In 1983, Kazimierz Miyal illegally returned from China to Poland, where he was soon imprisoned for almost a year. Until 1988, he was under house arrest, but Marshal and President Wojciech Jaruzelski still "saved" Miyal from the KGB, demanding his extradition. And even the new Polish authorities did not dare either to repress Miyal, or to ban the Communist Party, restored in 2002.

Slovak


No less difficult was the fate of the same age as Miyal, Minister of Justice and Defense of Czechoslovakia Alexei Chepichka. He also fought, was a member of the anti-Nazi underground and a prisoner of Buchenwald, managed to rise to the rank of army general. He is also a hero - Czechoslovakia, and also a doctor of law. But he died in a dilapidated nursing home on the outskirts of Prague ...

The sudden (almost like that of Pole Berut) demise of the founder of Czechoslovakia Clement Gottwald (March 14, 1953) immediately after Stalin’s funeral and the campaign launched in the fall of 1956 against the “personality cult” of Gottwald led to the “demotion” of A. Chepichka, who was appointed to the post ... the head of the Patent of the Republic (1956-1959).


Alexey Chepichka

He, like K. Miyal, sharply condemned the post-Stalinist policies of the USSR and Czechoslovakia and especially the anti-Stalinist hysteria in most socialist countries. In 1963-1964 The cap was expelled from the CPC, deprived of awards and military rank, and he remained under house arrest until the end of his life. Chepichka called Operation Danube in 1968 “the discrediting of socialism and the political bankruptcy of Moscow.”

Here is a brief summary of his opinion on these issues:

“Millions of people defeated fascism and in a matter of years restored their countries with the name of Stalin, with faith in Stalin. And suddenly his “disciples” convicted Stalin shortly after his sudden and, as it turned out, violent death. All of this instantly demoralized the foreign Communists, the USSR, most of the socialist countries. And soon there the erosion of socialism accelerated, intensifying the lack of ideas and the incompetence of party-state systems. In vain tried to also eliminate the authority of Stalin, even defamed. At the same time, the introduction of the direct enemies of socialism and the USSR into the governing bodies accelerated. Therefore, by the mid-1980s, socialism and the communist parties in those countries had become just signs. ”


Bulgarian


A similar example can be found in the history of Bulgaria. Army General Vylko Chervenkov (1900-1980) was one of the leaders of the Comintern during the war and led the Communist Party of Bulgaria in 1949-1954. From 1950 to 1956 he was the chairman of the government of the country, and then - the first deputy prime minister.


General Chervenkov condemned Khrushchev's anti-Stalinism with the same argument as Miyal and Chepichka; in 1956, he even dared to object ... against renaming the city of Stalin to Varna (reverse renaming, as you can understand). In 1960, Chervenkov invited the head of Albania, Enver Hoxha, and the Prime Minister of China, Zhou Enlai, who openly criticized Khrushchev’s policies, to visit Sofia, for which he was soon dismissed.

Finally, for the phrase he expressed in November 1961, “Removing the sarcophagus with Stalin from the Mausoleum is a shame not only for the USSR, but also for the socialist countries, the world communist movement,” Chervenkov was expelled from the party. The Bulgarian Communists had common sense to restore the ex-prime minister in the BKP in 1969, but without the right to occupy any posts even at the district level.

In the light of the events of the XNUMXst century, Chervenkov’s statements about the internal affairs of the Soviet Union are especially relevant. It was he who explicitly warned the Soviet leadership:

“People from Ukraine predominate in the leadership of the USSR from the Twentieth Congress, most of whom are communists only by the presence of a party membership card. The transfer of Crimea to Ukraine further enhances its influence on Soviet politics, including economic.

The main industrial construction in the USSR, unlike the Stalin period, is also in Ukraine. Therefore, there is a risk of substitution of all-Union interests by Ukrainian ones. And then a new, already anti-state surge of Ukrainian nationalism is inevitable, which will be inspired by the increasingly influential Ukrainian authorities in Moscow. ”


Where they did not forget the 19th year


But even on this list, the Hungarian "Bolsheviks" occupy a special position. The extraordinary leadership style of the head of the Communist Party of Hungary from 1947 to Matthias Rakosi, who in 1956 was unable to prevent the country from slipping into a civil war, has been repeatedly written on our pages (“The acts of Nikita the Wonderworker. Part 4. Hungarian Gambit ") But the revolutionary traditions characteristic of the Hungarian working-class movement after the failed revolution of 1919 did not succeed in breaking anyone.

In Hungary, there was a very strong opposition among the Communists to the Compromisers with Moscow and personally with dear Nikita Sergeevich. Its organizer was Andras Hegedyush (1922-99), an associate of Rakosi, who was simply exiled to the USSR for condemning the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU and Khrushchev’s policy towards Hungary.


Andras Hegedyush

Back in 1942, when hundreds of thousands of Hungarians fought on the Eastern Front, that is, on Soviet soil, Hegedyush did not want to “play a patriot” and joined the underground Communist Party of Hungary. He led the party at the University of Budapest and shortly after the war became secretary of the ruling Hungarian Labor Party. Until the uprising of 1956, he was the Prime Minister of Hungary, constantly insisting on ending the anti-Stalinist campaign both in his country and in the USSR.

A. Khegedyush considered such propaganda "a crushing blow to socialism and Eastern Europe," but it was unlikely that this could change much. In October 1956, he barely escaped execution by Hungarian militants, having managed to move to the location of Soviet troops. He was allowed to return to Hungary only two years later, on condition that he did not return to its state structures.

Hegedyush taught sociology at the Institute of Economics of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, but in his lectures, ideas that could not be considered pro-Soviet were “slipping” on a regular basis. Thus, he condemned "the suppression of the anti-fascist underground in Hungary and its participation in the liberation of the country from fascism, initiated by Janos Kadar." Some Hungarian filmmakers recall that in the mid-60s A. Hegedyush suggested writing a script for a multi-part documentary-feature film about anti-Nazi resistance in Hungary. But the authorities rejected this project.

The views of the former leader, his overt "Stalinism", of course, did not suit either Moscow or Budapest. Therefore, Hedegush was transferred to the insignificant post of the deputy head of the Statistics Committee of Hungary, which did not hinder, but rather helped him create and head the Institute of Sociology at the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. In addition, he successfully taught at the Karl Marx University of Economics.

It should be noted that after Khrushchev’s resignation, trust in Khrushchev’s Janos Kadar in Moscow was very problematic. But only up to the operation "Danube", which Kadar supported without hesitation. But Andrash Hegedyush in September 1968 publicly condemned the entry of troops, not only of the Soviet, but of the entire Warsaw Pact to Prague. In addition, he advocated a collective dialogue of the pro-Soviet socialist countries with the PRC and Albania.

Apparently, Hegedyush, who had previously been unexpectedly pulled out of disgrace, himself put an end to his quite possible elevation. Indeed, many researchers of those events do not exclude that it was his candidacy in Moscow that was considered as an alternative to Kadar.

Then, in the 68th, Hegedyush resigned from all posts, and in 1973 he was expelled from the ruling HSWP: Kadar was in a hurry to get rid of a dangerous competitor. And in that 1973, A. Hegedyush established contacts with the Pole K. Miyal and set about organizing an Orthodox Communist Party in Hungary. The city of Stalinvaros was planned as a place for the party’s headquarters, where Kadar’s opponents did not want to recognize the reverse renaming of Dunaujvaros.

The primary cell of the new batch consisted of 90% of Rakosi’s associates, as well as workers and engineers of the Stalinvarosh Metallurgical Plant. Its members offered a public discussion with the USSR and the CPSU, distributing political and ideological materials from China and Albania in the country. But authorities promptly thwarted the "replay" of Miyal’s party in Hungary.

And yet in 1982, the already very elderly Hegedyush was reinstated as a teacher at the University of Economics named after Marx. But soon the stubborn communist Hegedus again began to condemn the "creeping introduction of capitalism in Hungary", for which he was once again dismissed from the University (1989).

In the early 90s, he again tried to create a pro-Stalinist Communist Party of Hungary, but the special services re-predicted the project. Although it already had no consequences for Hegedyush: the authorities considered the Hungarian ranks as the primary vindication in connection with the Soviet invasion in 1956, and not their sympathy for the Communists, it is not so important, orthodox or not.
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  1. DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 13 2020 05: 26 New
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    Pole, Slovak, Bulgarian

    German. Strange as it may sound now, it was the German Democratic Republic that was the most reliable and loyal ally of the USSR. And you say the Slavs. They demolish the monuments over there, and the Germans still look after them ..
    1. Caretaker
      Caretaker April 13 2020 11: 27 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      Strange as it may sound now, it was the German Democratic Republic that was the most reliable and faithful ally of the USSR. And you say the Slavs. They demolish the monuments over there, and the Germans still look after them.
      This is a completely logical result, because in the countries of Eastern Europe the power that came in the wake of the anti-Soviet smoothly turned into Russophobia is in power.
      The GDR was indeed a reliable ally of the USSR, although I would not distinguish the "most" among equals.

      For many years, the USSR actually destroyed itself and "squeezed out" of Eastern Europe.
      To restore the destroyed is incomparably more difficult than to save.

      The author’s opinion that the “collapse” began after the death of Stalin is not entirely correct.
      It is possible to consider socialist countries in the pre-perestroika period as a single bloc, despite all the contradictions and even armed conflicts.
      The betrayal of friendly forces in the European, Asian, African and American countries by the Gorbachev-Yeltsin camarilla led to a completely logical result.
      We still rightly consider ourselves to be the successors of the Winners, and for many in eastern and western Europe, the “perestroika” and “anti-Soviet are Gorbachev / Yeltsinists” have long been.
      They sincerely do not understand why in Russia it was possible to demolish the monuments of the Soviet period, but they can not.
      "What goes around comes around".
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 13 2020 11: 40 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        The betrayal of friendly forces in the European, Asian, African and American countries by the Gorbachev-Yeltsin camarilla led to a completely logical result.
        We still rightly consider ourselves to be the successors of the Winners, and for many in eastern and western Europe, the “perestroika” and “anti-Soviet are Gorbachev / Yeltsinists” have long been.

        Quite right, it was Gorbachev who started the betrayal of the socialist camp and the pro-communist leaders of the socialist countries, although of course the first blow to the world movement movement was delivered by the Khrushchev at the 20th Congress and, as a result, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Damansky Island.
        Again, one should not forget that the Hungarians and Czechs very much loved Hitler at the time and greatly “inherited” the vastness of our country. The beginnings of the revenge of Hitler’s shortcomings were the Hungarian events.
        1. Astra wild
          Astra wild April 13 2020 18: 27 New
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          Malyuta, I agree with you: Hungarians in the Soviet Union shed a lot of blood. Somewhere flashed information that the Red Army did not seek to capture the Hungarians, but rather .... .... to hell
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 April 13 2020 19: 25 New
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            Quote: Astra wild
            Hungarians in the Soviet Union shed a lot of blood

            I don’t know if this is true or not, but several times there were allegations that massacres of civilians were mainly carried out not by the Germans (they themselves disdained - not a noble cause), but by their allies, and they were glad to try.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 April 13 2020 20: 04 New
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              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: Astra wild
              Hungarians in the Soviet Union shed a lot of blood

              I don’t know if this is true or not, but several times there were allegations that massacres of civilians were mainly carried out not by the Germans (they themselves disdained - not a noble cause), but by their allies, and they were glad to try.

              A cousin in Odessa lived under a German. She said that mainly local people were involved in the reprisals.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 April 13 2020 20: 25 New
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                Quote: Doliva63
                that mostly local people

                And in the USSR they tried not to talk about it
              2. Sergey49
                Sergey49 April 14 2020 00: 30 New
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                In Odessa, Romanians, not Germans, were in charge.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 April 14 2020 19: 13 New
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                  Quote: Sergey49
                  In Odessa, Romanians, not Germans, were in charge.

                  I remember such a story from my father. He was then a teenager, they were hanging out with a company at a tavern, where a bunch of Romanians were caldry. The Germans are approaching on motorcycles - the field gendarmerie. Teenagers to the Germans - give a ride! The Germans gave the motorcycle for money to ride in circles in front of the tavern. 15 minutes, some brands. The guys took off and rode in turn. After 15 minutes, the fascist leaves - either pay another 15 minutes or walk. Have paid. Ride. At this time in a tavern a fight between Germans and Romanians began. The latter were many more, and they pretty much kicked the Aryans. Those wrinkled, with bruises and bruises jump out into the street, call for the guys and pick up the motorcycle. The guys were outraged - like, paid the same! The German meticulously counted out the "penalty". Then they smashed the tavern glass with his boots (he was in the basement, the windows were at the level of the pavement), threw several grenades there and drove off quickly. So the Romanians "ran the" so-so, because the Germans from there and flooded later.
            2. Astra wild
              Astra wild April 14 2020 10: 43 New
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              My father-in-law spoke to me about this. He said that they tried the most: Hungarians, Romanians. And my grandmother said that in Odessa the Romanian Siguranza tried the most, but after the war they wrote off to the Gestapo
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 April 14 2020 19: 43 New
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                Quote: Astra wild
                My father-in-law spoke to me about this. He said that they tried the most: Hungarians, Romanians. And my grandmother said that in Odessa the Romanian Siguranza tried the most, but after the war they wrote off to the Gestapo

                Because there were fewer Germans. But the Gestapo in Odessa also worked. Tsumbayshpil, 98 I school, if I am not mistaken, was one of such places.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 13 2020 13: 10 New
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        Quote: Caretaker
        The GDR was indeed a reliable ally of the USSR, although I would not distinguish the "most" among equals.

        At least we knew for sure that the NNA of the GDR would not shoot us in the back - everyone in the GSVG was sure of that. Although with the unification of Germany, a very negative attitude towards us began to emerge, but not among mature people, but mainly among young people.
        1. Caretaker
          Caretaker April 13 2020 16: 58 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Caretaker
          The GDR was indeed a reliable ally of the USSR, although I would not distinguish the "most" among equals.

          At least we knew for sure that the NNA of the GDR would not shoot us in the back - everyone in the GSVG was sure of that. Although with the unification of Germany, a very negative attitude towards us began to emerge, but not among mature people, but mainly among young people.
          In which countries of the Warsaw Pact shot in the back?
          The Berlin Wall was destroyed by the joint efforts of East and West Germans.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 13 2020 17: 25 New
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            Quote: Caretaker
            In which countries of the Warsaw Pact shot in the back?

            Things didn’t get to this, but of all the allies, I mean the group’s staff officers, we relied only on the NNA of the GDR, because they really believed in us. I won’t talk about the rest of the allies, but I’ll notice that among the East Germans there are more people who don’t spit in the direction of the USSR and the GDR than in other countries of the eastern bloc. Even at this forum there was not a single ex-citizen of the GDR who would begin to blaspheme us, but among the "bros" there were already a few spits.
            Quote: Caretaker
            The Berlin Wall was destroyed by the joint efforts of East and West Germans.

            Now many East Germans regret this very much - and they do not hide it. And in general, in my opinion, it was a country that sincerely treated us, and we betrayed them, to our great shame.
            1. Caretaker
              Caretaker April 13 2020 17: 38 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              but among the "little brothers" here it was already somewhat noted by its spits.
              They are no more than local "spitters."
              Quote: ccsr
              Now many East Germans regret this very much - and they do not hide it. And in general, in my opinion, it was a country that sincerely treated us, and we betrayed them, to our great shame.
              In other countries of the former socialist camp, they regret no less, but their voices are not heard. I agree about the betrayal.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 13 2020 20: 14 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Caretaker
          The GDR was indeed a reliable ally of the USSR, although I would not distinguish the "most" among equals.

          At least we knew for sure that the NNA of the GDR would not shoot us in the back - everyone in the GSVG was sure of that. Although with the unification of Germany, a very negative attitude towards us began to emerge, but not among mature people, but mainly among young people.

          But suddenly I thought - I do not remember a single joint teaching with the NNA.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 13 2020 21: 06 New
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            Quote: Doliva63
            But suddenly I thought - I do not remember a single joint teaching with the NNA.

            There were exercises, but these are too large-scale events at the state level, such as the West-81. Their representatives were always present at our group headquarters exercises - at least a couple of senior officers.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 April 14 2020 19: 51 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Doliva63
              But suddenly I thought - I do not remember a single joint teaching with the NNA.

              There were exercises, but these are too large-scale events at the state level, such as the West-81. Their representatives were always present at our group headquarters exercises - at least a couple of senior officers.

              Large-scale I remember. I'm talking about small ones. Would be helpful, however. For example, a division rises in some Ordruf and works out with the local interaction in defense, doesn’t it? Apparently, ours believed that the Group was intended for the English Channel, and let the Germans here at home?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 15 2020 11: 18 New
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                Quote: Doliva63
                Apparently, ours believed that the Group was intended for the English Channel, and let the Germans here at home?

                Most likely, this was exactly what was supposed to be - we mainly relied on our forces and on the urgent transfer of our troops from our border districts. As far as I remember, during the first days from the BVI the first parts should have arrived to strengthen.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 April 15 2020 17: 15 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Apparently, ours believed that the Group was intended for the English Channel, and let the Germans here at home?

                  Most likely, this was exactly what was supposed to be - we mainly relied on our forces and on the urgent transfer of our troops from our border districts. As far as I remember, during the first days from the BVI the first parts should have arrived to strengthen.

                  And if NATO invaded the Baltic states, no one would come from the BVI, wouldn’t it? wink
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 15 2020 18: 19 New
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                    Quote: Doliva63
                    And if NATO invaded the Baltic states, no one would come from the BVI, wouldn’t it?

                    In the eighties, this could not be - NATO was not stupid either, and it was unlikely that they would consider a similar scenario of the outbreak of war.
                    1. Doliva63
                      Doliva63 April 15 2020 19: 52 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      And if NATO invaded the Baltic states, no one would come from the BVI, wouldn’t it?

                      In the eighties, this could not be - NATO was not stupid either, and it was unlikely that they would consider a similar scenario of the outbreak of war.

                      Okay, here I agree. And about the "crystal war" I already asked you?
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr April 16 2020 11: 58 New
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                        Quote: Doliva63
                        And about the "crystal war" I already asked you?

                        What is it about?
                      2. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 April 16 2020 19: 55 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        And about the "crystal war" I already asked you?

                        What is it about?

                        It was a long time ago, I don’t remember laughing It seems that at that time airplanes from the 82nd division of the United States arrived in Germany (perhaps not only in Germany) - type, small exercises. But after a certain period, our intelligence did not reflect their departure. I don’t know how others do, but in the 8th Army, troops were sent to “unplanned areas” and families were prepared for evacuation. Did not hear?
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr April 17 2020 11: 17 New
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                        Quote: Doliva63
                        It seems that at that time airplanes from the 82nd division of the United States arrived in Germany (perhaps not only in Germany) - type, small exercises.

                        So they are constantly in Germany, the transfer of their troops in the course of the planned exercises - a couple of times a year for sure. Well, even at Christmas, civilian planes chartered for flights to the United States on holidays and vice versa - i.e. also an element of the teachings.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I don’t know how others do, but in the 8th Army, troops were sent to “unplanned areas” and families were prepared for evacuation. Did not hear?

                        I do not recall this. If something was serious, we would stand on our ears. So when in 1991 the first war began in the Gulf and at the same time the events in Yugoslavia, then really the ass was in the soap, I remember it well.
                      4. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 April 19 2020 20: 04 New
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        It seems that at that time airplanes from the 82nd division of the United States arrived in Germany (perhaps not only in Germany) - type, small exercises.

                        So they are constantly in Germany, the transfer of their troops in the course of the planned exercises - a couple of times a year for sure. Well, even at Christmas, civilian planes chartered for flights to the United States on holidays and vice versa - i.e. also an element of the teachings.
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I don’t know how others do, but in the 8th Army, troops were sent to “unplanned areas” and families were prepared for evacuation. Did not hear?

                        I do not recall this. If something was serious, we would stand on our ears. So when in 1991 the first war began in the Gulf and at the same time the events in Yugoslavia, then really the ass was in the soap, I remember it well.

                        No, I already began to develop the Trans-Baikal open spaces in the 90th, I did not find smile
    2. Kushka
      Kushka April 13 2020 23: 30 New
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      Were in the Baltic and 70s. We at the BDK "transported" our marines from Baltiysk.
      They then “fought” with the Germans. I liked that in the GDR they are sailors
      same marines. Landed on the beachhead, obstacle course on
      the shore is full of fire, smoke and thorns. 200 m. Swim and wade, then 200 m.
      on a belly in a fire and smoke under a thorn then a marching throw - strong guys.
      And their service life was ridiculous. And they left home to be fired.
      We brought our marines, flared down and all exercises in the city
      walked, even on their lip once hit-the Soviet commandant clung to
      (there were sands in his hands, it was hot), he built everyone and took them to their lip,
      through half a city. Comcor took away, poured everything right outside the gate. And the marines
      ours, like blacks, till seven sweats all the teachings plowed and the Germans did not lag behind.
      The Poles are so-so. Every year it was - Stralsund, Pig-farm.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 14 2020 19: 52 New
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        Quote: Kushka
        Were in the Baltic and 70s. We at the BDK "transported" our marines from Baltiysk.
        They then “fought” with the Germans. I liked that in the GDR they are sailors
        same marines. Landed on the beachhead, obstacle course on
        the shore is full of fire, smoke and thorns. 200 m. Swim and wade, then 200 m.
        on a belly in a fire and smoke under a thorn then a marching throw - strong guys.
        And their service life was ridiculous. And they left home to be fired.
        We brought our marines, flared down and all exercises in the city
        walked, even on their lip once hit-the Soviet commandant clung to
        (there were sands in his hands, it was hot), he built everyone and took them to their lip,
        through half a city. Comcor took away, poured everything right outside the gate. And the marines
        ours, like blacks, till seven sweats all the teachings plowed and the Germans did not lag behind.
        The Poles are so-so. Every year it was - Stralsund, Pig-farm.

        I didn’t know, thanks! drinks
  • knn54
    knn54 April 13 2020 12: 47 New
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    A little off topic, even after the “Anschluss” of the GDR, Markus Wolf refused the CIA’s offer to hand over an agent network.
    As for Mao, everything was simple — he considered himself “equal” to Stalin and wanted to take his place in terms of the leader of socialism.
    Mao's communist (?) Views did not prevent him from drawing closer to the United States. Slandering the USSR in Afghanistan, Angola ...
    Even Enver Hoxha told him that in the fight against the Devil, demons were not taken as allies.
    Approximately (in terms of text), but the meaning is this.
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 14 2020 01: 32 New
    0
    Let's look at the story. Russians and Germans are constantly confronted by the arrogant Saxons. De jure, de facto.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 13 2020 05: 33 New
    -12
    few of the communist leaders of the countries of Eastern Europe, with whom Khrushchev hugged and kissed Brezhnev, could really be considered "faithful Leninists."

    However, most Soviet leaders, we admit, were not like that either.

    but where did you go ....faithful Leninists, who were, in fact ... in terrible shortage? belay

    after all, it was they who successfully and massively destroyed the unfaithful Leninists. but disappeared .... themselves.

    what a hitch ...

    And again, no surnames, no names of these mysterious mysterious faithful leading Leninists .... request

    In his opinion,

    "shortly after Stalin, power in Moscow and in the localities was in the hands of ever less competent figures.

    Is this what this enemy is hinting at?
    What Stalin ... did not bring up competent Leninists for decades ?!
    also Albania, North Korea ,. These true communists

    they don’t really like us if they want the fate of northern Korea ...

    Eastern Europe should not have been held back by Leninists, but right winner in WWII-not forgiving these animals, who committed genocide on our land, and constantly reminding them of this and forcing them to pay for it: military bases on their territory, preferences in trade, etc.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 13 2020 07: 02 New
      +8
      Quote: Olgovich
      Eastern Europe had to be kept not by Leninists, but by the right of the winner in WWII

      If the realities of life conflict with the official ideology, then all the worse ... For the realities of life.
    2. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. April 13 2020 10: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      and where did they go .... faithful Leninists who turned out to be ... in terrible shortage?

      The question is natural.
      And nobody wants to answer him.

      Stalin himself is partly to blame, - he did not name the successor, he did not hand over the symbols of power to the successor ...
      But this is only the outside.

      The main thing is different.
      Socialism and the USSR lined up on a scientific basis. But...
      Not everyone understood this, and therefore assumed that it was possible to act on the basis of personal opinion - this is about Khrushchev's voluntarism and similar unfortunate leaders.
      I think that someone understood the importance of scientific methods, but did not have the talent and the ability to continue scientific work in the field of the theory of building communism.

      Oddly enough, the USSR Academy of Sciences was to blame for the collapse of socialism.

      In short, it turns out that V.I. Lenin paved the way for such a distant future that contemporaries were theoretically unprepared.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein April 13 2020 16: 05 New
        +3
        Stalin said: “We need a theory (the building of communism), without theory we need death.” And such a theory began to be created under him. Khrushchev slaughtered her in the bud.
        1. Sergey S.
          Sergey S. April 13 2020 16: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: boris epstein
          such a theory began to be created under him. Khrushchev cut her down in the bud

          Marx - Engels,
          Lenin
          Stalin - all of them left behind themselves voluminous collected works, mainly on practical and topical issues of studying and building the society of the future.

          Beginning with Khrushchev, only mountains of jokes remained from the rulers ...
      2. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 14 2020 20: 27 New
        0
        "turned out to be theoretically unprepared," but most likely did not want to follow the Leninist course.
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 13 2020 10: 41 New
      -3
      "Is this what this enemy is hinting at?
      What Stalin ... didn’t bring up competent Leninists for decades ?! ”

      There were Leninists, and millions of Stalinists. Only there was no one to follow ...
      Behind this corn collective farmer with megalomania?
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 13 2020 19: 01 New
        -1
        “There were Leninists, and there were millions of Stalinists. It was no use to follow it.” You are absolutely right: Khrushchev and his successors look a little like the first Bolshevik-Leninists, but rather Martov’s followers, but at least he had merits before the revolution: he together with B . And. Lenin stood at the origins of the Social Democratic Party
    4. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 13 2020 18: 44 New
      0
      Olgovich, I have said more than once that you are my ideological adversary, but in this case: "not forgiving these animals who have committed genocide on our land"
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 13 2020 05: 37 New
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    Communists of Eastern Europe. They did not become “strange” allies

    Strange discussions about potential allies ... As far as I remember, from the time of Khrushchev until the coup, allies of the USSR were all, even banana and palm republics, with at least a Communist Party cell registered.
    What friendship and fidelity could be expected from Poland (European hyenas), from Bulgaria, from Czechoslovakia, if these countries experienced a simultaneous feeling of gratitude when they were taken out of slaughter. For me, the development of friendly relations on this basis has always looked doubtful.
    Believe it or not, but of all the countries of the far abroad I consider Cuba and the DPRK to be devotees in every sense. I have nothing against economic ties with the former CMEA countries, but everyone saw very well that at that time the quality of life of ordinary citizens of these countries was an order of magnitude higher than that of citizens of the RSFSR. And yet, on mercantile interests alone it was impossible to create anything but the camp of socialism. Is that why the "vacationers" fled immediately after the "holiday season".
    It’s time for us to study our own history from 1953 to 1964. It was there that the real betrayal of the IVS and the blackening of his leadership took place, instead of which we received the "Khrushchev thaw."
    Perhaps this was not a thaw, but a “warm stink”, because here the master of colloquial genre decided 3 years later to publish “the whole truth” about the personality cult of the father of peoples. It was at this time that people and documents disappeared, exposing the reformers-prosecutors themselves. It was then that the communist idea was completely discredited and the decomposition of the top of the CPSU began by providing benefits and privileges that distinguish them from ordinary members of the same party.
    What is more strange is that it was precisely those people who made a lot of efforts to destroy and discredit the Soviet socialist system that became allies and like-minded people of today's Russian authorities. Now it’s even scary to imagine how much time it takes for the country to revive a socially-oriented domestic policy, industry and the economy itself and who at this stage will become “strange” for Russia and who are “open” allies.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 13 2020 06: 47 New
      -10
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Perhaps this was not a thaw, but a “warm stink”, because here the master of colloquial genre decided 3 years later to publish “the whole truth” about the personality cult of the father of peoples.
      It was then that the communist idea was completely discredited and the decomposition of the top of the CPSU began by providing benefits and privileges that distinguish them from ordinary members of the same party.

      with these, everything is clear, something else is incomprehensible — WHERE having gone to bed at this time real Bolsheviks- Stalinists-Leninists, brought up by the party and its power for almost 40 years ? belay request

      ide their fierce resistance to the damned Trotskyists and degenerates. mass strikes. demonstrations. underground, rallies, press, radio?

      where are they real. non-negativist, truly Bolshevik party, underground, in Switzerland. as under tsarism. eventually?

      AND-...nothing.... belay

      Miracles! belay request
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 13 2020 09: 48 New
        12
        Quote: Olgovich
        with these, everything is clear, something else is incomprehensible — WHERE did the real Bolsheviks-Leninists-Stalinists who had been brought up by the party and its power for almost 40 years now have gone ahead?

        Sorry, but it doesn’t reach you as a giraffe ....
        A hundred times they explained to you that during the war they died over three million communists (Bolshevik-Leninists-Stalinists) who went through the school of class struggle and understood its dialectic.

        They were replaced at the front by heroes, but politically illiterate, who were able to deceive Khrushchev and his clique. After the Khrushchev coup released from the camps of all the Trotskyists, Vlasovites, Bangderaites, and the remaining Bolsheviks either destroyed or moved away from the leadership.

        Bolshevism again became in demand during perestroika, when there was a threat of the restoration of capitalism and the destruction of the USSR, and after the publication of an article by N. A. Andreeva created the Bolshevik platform in the CPSU, and then the Bolshevik party itself ..
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 13 2020 10: 33 New
          0
          Fairy tales. Of the defiant communists, most were like my grandfather, who joined the party at the front, "in the trenches." Most of them did not perceive either dialectics or the class struggle - the bulk was born after the revolution.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 13 2020 10: 43 New
          -9
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Sorry, but it doesn’t reach you as a giraffe ....
          A hundred times they explained to you that during the war diedabove three million communists (Bolshevik-Leninists-Stalinists) who went through the school of class struggle and understood its dialectic.

          you slowly understanding. thousand times they asked. where did you go OTHERS TENS of millions Bolshevik-Leninists-Stalinists brought up exclusively by Bolshevik authorities during her FORTY YEARS reign until 1953 Mr. hundreds of thousands of schools. schools, universities, party committees, parts, etc. ??
          Or did Soviet power bring up in them ... only Trotskyists? belay
          Quote: Alexander Green
          They were replaced at the front by heroes, but politically illiteratewho managed to deceive Khrushchev and his clique

          Those. the Soviet school, unlike the tsarist school, was able to educate only ... illiterate ?! belay lol
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Khrushchev and his clique

          So WHERE is the painter neklik was at this time, for the thousandth time I ask?!.
          WHERE is her fierce struggle, strikes. millions of protests, armed battles with renegades. underground, etc.?
          Quote: Alexander Green
          the remaining Bolsheviks were either destroyed or pushed away from the leadership.

          those. contemptible Trotskyists roughly bent .... "unbending" Bolshoviks lol . and they humbly hunched over without "a fierce struggle, strikes. million-strong protests, armed battles with renegades. underground."
          Shame ....
          Quote: Alexander Green
          destroyed or moved away from the leadership.

          List these mysterious, powerless, innocently injured, injured white-furrows infants lol

          Bolshevism again became in demand during perestroika, when there was a threat of the restoration of capitalism and the destruction of the USSR, and after the publication of an article by N. A. Andreeva was created The Bolshevik platform in the CPSU, and then the Bolshevik party itself ..

          WHERE is this ... bolshevik party ?!
          And WHERE was she in 1953, huh?
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 13 2020 18: 24 New
            +9
            Quote: Olgovich
            WHERE is this ... bolshevik party ?!
            And WHERE was she in 1953, huh?

            In vain I offended the giraffe, it still comes to him, but not to you ...
            Quote: Olgovich
            Those. the Soviet school, unlike the tsarist school, was able to educate only ... illiterate ?!

            Well, why speculate like that? I wrote - "politically illiterate. "
            In order to become a communist in peacetime, one had to undergo seniority for a year to study Marxism-Leninism, then the party committee of the old Bolsheviks checked the candidate’s preparedness, and only after that he was accepted at the party meeting. There was no seniority during the war. So the front-line communists were not ready for the betrayal of Khrushchev, they did not even understand what had happened. And those who understood were simply cleaned, because after the war, these were in the minority.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 April 13 2020 19: 27 New
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Green
              in peacetime, he had to undergo a PhD in the course of the year in order to study Marxism-Leninism

              The end of the war - 1945. The death of Stalin - 1953. Total 8 years.
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene April 13 2020 22: 32 New
                +7
                Quote: Dart2027
                The end of the war - 1945. The death of Stalin - 1953. Total 8 years.

                IN AND. Lenin wrote that in order to become a real proletarian and absorb the proletarian ideology, you must boil in a factory boiler for at least 10 years. After the war, the urban workers who survived were swept by a petty-bourgeois wave of immigrants from the village and from the occupied territories, where private business flourished for several years.

                All this led to the formation of a petty-bourgeois consciousness among the Soviet people, which also affected the training of party cadres. The post-war generation. was brought up not on the works of Marx and Lenin, but on feuilletons, articles and citations. Soaring in the air: “Why do we need to study Capital when we build communism?” This generation did not have a deep knowledge of Marxism. As a result, there were few real Bolsheviks who understood the dialectics of the class struggle.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 April 14 2020 06: 29 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  must be cooked for at least 10 years

                  So a year or ten?
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  a petty-bourgeois wave of immigrants from the village swept over

                  That is, before the war there was no famous industrialization, when a huge number of peasants became workers, and peasants did not die in the war?
                  1. Alexander Greene
                    Alexander Greene April 14 2020 08: 42 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    but the peasants did not die in the war?

                    What does this have to do with petty-bourgeois consciousness?

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    So a year or ten?

                    IN AND. Lenin wrote that it takes 10 years to cook in a factory boiler in order for a proletarian formation to take place, but this is not a guarantee that he will become a politically competent communist.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 April 14 2020 08: 59 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      but this is not a guarantee that

                      That is, there were practically no communists at all.
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 14 2020 13: 14 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, there were practically no communists at all.

                        Those who understood where Khrushchev was leading were few.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 14 2020 13: 34 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        were units
                        You can’t say more precisely:
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        That is, the Soviet school, universities, countless regional committees, district committees, etc., educated politically illiterate people.
                        Bravo!
                      3. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 15 2020 11: 14 New
                        +3
                        It's right. Political education was gradually emasculating Unfortunately, after the war, there was a lot of work to restore the destroyed economy, and there was simply no time to learn. .Many of the workers of the regional committee, district committees did not even read a single work of V.I. Lenin. And then it became the norm, for lazy party workers, even thought up special short guides - quotes - and they learned from them instead of studying the works of classics.

                        If they read the works of K. Marx "Criticism of the Gotha Program" and V.I. Lenin "State and revolution", they would not allow Khrushchev to destroy the dictatorship of the proletariat, because they would know that “Between capitalist and communist society, lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the former into the latter. The political transition period also corresponds to this period, and the state of this period cannot be anything other than the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat, ”that is, the dictatorship of the proletariat is maintained for the entire period of building communism.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 15 2020 12: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        i.e. dictatorship of the proletariat

                        And when was this dictatorship of the proletariat?
                      5. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 15 2020 21: 56 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And when was this dictatorship of the proletariat?

                        When V.I. Lenin and I.V. Stalin.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 15 2020 22: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        IN AND. Lenin and I.V. Stalin

                        And which of them was a proletarian?
                      7. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 16 2020 12: 30 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        IN AND. Lenin and I.V. Stalin

                        And which of them was a proletarian?

                        Do not be malicious, you understand perfectly well that K. Marx, F. Engels, V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin and many other leaders of the international communist movement stood and stand on proletarian positions.
                      8. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 16 2020 14: 51 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Do not be malicious, you are well aware that

                        I understand perfectly well that peasant uprisings almost never posed a serious threat to the authorities. This applies not only to RI, but also to any other state.
                        Cause? Logistics.
                        The power is in the capital, and the peasants are somewhere out there, and delivering them to St. Petersburg or Paris is almost an impossible task. But the uprisings of the townspeople are really dangerous - Philip the Beautiful, the one who burned the Templars, hid from the rebellious Parisians a year before. Moreover, then, in principle, there was no proletariat. Therefore, those who want to overthrow the government must gain cannon fodder in the capital, otherwise it will fail.
                        So the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is simply a "divorce of suckers", which no one was going to give any power.
                      9. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 16 2020 16: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is simply a "divorce of suckers", which no one was going to give any power.

                        Well, if you're not a sucker, then why does it bother you so much? Live yourself calmly, enjoy life, until the dictatorship of the proletariat is yet established.
                      10. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 16 2020 16: 36 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Well, if you're not a sucker, then why does it bother you so much?

                        This does not bother me.
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been established

                        What will never be.
                      11. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 16 2020 20: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What will never be.

                        Well, calm down.
                      12. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 16 2020 20: 28 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        take it easy
                        Why am I nervous?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What will never be.
                      13. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 16 2020 20: 42 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        take it easy
                        Why am I nervous?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What will never be.

                        I do not know. Explain what.
                      14. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 16 2020 21: 29 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Explain what

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been established
                        What will never be.

                        Do not remember what you wrote?
                      15. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene April 16 2020 22: 04 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Do not remember what you wrote?

                        Sorry, but "What will never happen" - I did not write.
                        .
                      16. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 April 17 2020 07: 09 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Sorry, but

                        So it appeared when you insert a quote
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 15 2020 12: 36 New
    -6
    Quote: Alexander Green
    It's right. Political education gradually emasculated


    1.What did you do? lol Surnames holosantov concrete-on the table, talker.
    Their decisions on a quenching, programs of a quenching - on a table!

    2. And the true Leninists-educators from hundreds of thousands of regional coastal institutions of higher education at the high schools of the factory committees-WHERE were at that time? Dumb blind Ichiota do you think?

    And all their millions of peppy reports on the training of the masses in the correct Marsism ..... linden ?!
    Quote: Alexander Green
    after the war work there was a lot to restore the destroyed economy, and there was simply no time to study. . And then it became the norm for lazy party worker


    Then they work for you so that they don’t read, then they are lazy so that they don’t read lol
    Lazy ... workaholics! lol
    And according to you, you can’t refuse to dementia, you couldn’t overpower them ... just the "state and revolution"
    Quote: Alexander Green
    If they read the works of K. Marx "Criticism of the Gotha Program" and V.I. Lenin's "State and Revolution",

    WHO prevented them from reading, these ts., "Work"?
    Moreover, the “state and the roar” was taught this stupidity, for Stalin referred to it.
    Or were they stupid, what didn’t come?

    recognition of the leaders of the Bolsheviks that they did not read it - on the table, a liar and a storyteller!

    And again, the wag head: HOW from +6 000 there weren’t at least one million Communists reading, thinking, smart, understanding, conscious ?! Or at least ... 100 thousand? What ... and there were none? belay request

    WHO, then, has your party gathered, eh? request

    Those. several thousand Bolsheviks were able overthrow the whole system in 1917, and then just PROTECT your own, already millions of bolsheviks....failed. belay

    Complete degradation! yes

    And it happened like you stated... because of the continuous multimillion-dollar watered literacy of the Bolsheviks, which developed to complete degradation by 1953, after ... relentless, almost forty years of political education by your party of millions!

    Bravo! you can’t say better good lol laughing
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 15 2020 21: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    1.What did you do? Surnames holosantov concrete-on the table, talker. Their decisions on icing, onion programs!

    Please.
    Khrushchev excluded from the Program the party from 1919 the following position.

    “There can’t be two disciplines in a party - one for leaders, another for rank-and-file ... To be truthful and honest to the party, not to conceal and distort the truth. The communist’s inaccuracy before the party and the deception of the party are the gravest evil and are incompatible with being in the party ... At any post the communist is obliged to select cadres based on political and business qualities. The selection of personnel on the grounds of kinship and nepotism, fraternity, personal devotion is not allowed. Violation of these norms: the selection of workers on the grounds of friendship, personal devotion, fraternity and kinship is incompatible with being in the party. ”

    Without these provisions, the party turned into a party of the Ajubeys, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins.

    Khrushchev withdrew 131 articles from the Stalin Constitution of the USSR:

    “Every citizen is obliged to protect and strengthen public, socialist property, as a sacred and inviolable basis of the Soviet system, as a source of prosperous and cultural life for all working people. Persons encroaching on social and socialist property are enemies of the people. ”

    By this, back in 1961, Khrushchev blessed privatization, taking away public property. In addition, Khrushchev excluded from the Program the thesis of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Having written down that the USSR is a nationwide and not a working state, but the CPSU, the party of the whole people. not the praty of the working class
    .
    And here is how the reformers emasculated formulated by I.V. Stalin's fundamental law of socialism:

    "Ensuring maximum satisfaction of the constantly growing material and cultural needs of the whole society through the continuous growth and improvement of a socialist society based on high technology." (I. Stalin. "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR")

    The whole army of economists of "easy virtue" took up its gradual substitution.

    1966 year. Doctor of Economics, Professor S.S. Dzarasov:

    "Ensuring the full well-being and free comprehensive development of all members of society through the continuous growth of improving social production."

    1978 year. Dan. V.V. Radaev:

    "Ensuring the full well-being and free comprehensive development of all members of society through their joint labor using social means of production - this is the content of the basic economic law of socialism."

    1988 year. Academicians L. Abalkin, S. Shatalin, V. Medvedev Finished the law

    "Production in the interests of improving the welfare and free development of the workers' association and each of its members is the content of the basic economic law of socialism."

    There is no longer either the development of new technology, or the satisfaction of the material and spiritual needs of all members of society, instead there is a free development for everyone, you want to read books, and you want to drink vodka in the restaurant or inject drugs,

    I’ve answered many of your other questions many times, even it came to giraffes.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2020 08: 57 New
    -5
    Quote: Alexander Green
    At any post, the communist is obliged to select personnel based on political and business qualities. The selection of personnel on the grounds of kinship and nepotism, fraternity, personal devotion is not allowed. Violation of these norms: the selection of workers on the grounds of friendship, personal devotion, fraternity and kinship is incompatible with being in the party. ”

    Without these provisions, the party turned into a party of the Ajubeys, Gorbachevs, Yeltsins.

    1. Bring, liar, entered Khrushchev and others. RULES that: a communist is NOT obliged to select personnel based on political and business qualities. Allowed selection of personnel on the grounds of kinship and nepotism, fraternity, personal devotion. Violation of these norms: the selection of workers on the basis of friendships, personal loyalty, fraternity and kinship - compatible with being in the party. ”
    To their table!
    2. You NOT answered to the question
    Quote: Alexander Green
    From the Stalinist Constitution of the USSR Khrushchev withdrew 131 articles:

    “Every citizen is obliged to protect and strengthen public, socialist property, as a sacred and inviolable basis of the Soviet system, as a source of prosperous and cultural life for all working people. Persons encroaching on social and socialist property are enemies of the people. ”

    By this, back in 1961, Khrushchev blessed privatization, taking away public property

    belay fool lol 1. Liar and ignoramus: Khrushchev could not and did not seize anything.
    2. Read the Criminal Code of the USSR on punishments for theft - until the execution
    Quote: Alexander Green
    In addition, Khrushchev excluded from the Program the thesis of the dictatorship of the proletariat. Having written down that the USSR is a nationwide and not a working state, but the CPSU, the party of the whole people. not the praty of the working class

    And the USSR, in your opinion, was NOT the state of the whole PEOPLE? Whose? fool
    Quote: Alexander Green
    966 year. Doctor of Economics, Professor S.S. Dzarasov:

    "Ensuring the full well-being and free comprehensive development of all members of society through the continuous growth of improving social production."

    There is no development of new technology,

    Ukraine destroys gray matter ...

    . by continuous growth improving social production — does this not include the development of technology? fool
    . Go to school and learn what is common. pr-in, ignoramus.
    Read the decisions of the congresses-they just shouted about it

    nor the satisfaction of material and spiritual needs in all members of society
    belay lol
    A “Ensuring full welfare and free comprehensive development all members of society-what's this?

    Have completely forgotten how to understand Russian?

    2. Read the decisions of the congresses on all-round promotion, etc.
    Quote: Alexander Green

    I have answered your remaining questions many times

    Liar, NEVER did you answer the question:
    HOW of the 6 communists there was not even a million readers, thinkers, clever, understanding, conscious ?! Or at least ... 000 thousand? What ... and there were none? belay request

    WHO, then, has your party gathered, eh? request

    Those. several thousand Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the whole system in 1917, but here they simply DEFEND their own, already millions of Bolsheviks .... could not. belay

    Complete degradation! yes

    And this happened, as you stated ... because of the continuous multimillion-dollar watered-down literacy of the Bolsheviks, which developed to complete degradation by 1953 after ... the relentless, almost forty-year-long political education by your party of millions!
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 16 2020 12: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Olgovich
    1. Bring a liar introduced by Khrushchev, etc. RULES

    Quote: Olgovich
    Liar, NEVER did you answer the question:

    Ill, do you have an aggravation? Nothing, quarantine will end soon, and ward number 6 will be free for you.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2020 13: 21 New
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Sickly, you aggravation? Nothing, quarantine will end soon, and Ward № 6 free for you.


    1. You can’t answer. TRUTH nailed you. yes
    Rt

    2. The stinking dirt pouring by you remains after all with you. not with me lol

    Got it, no?
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 16 2020 14: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    Got it, no?

    Only you are spewing dirt and insults, but I just sympathized with you.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2020 15: 01 New
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Filth and insults only you spew

    Responsible for your words, a liar on the TABLE of insults to you, made by me!
    Quote: Alexander Green
    I just felt sorry for you.
    Reply

    What's this:
    Painful, you have an aggravation? Nothing, quarantine will end soon, and ward number 6 will be free for you.

    Or do you not understand what you are writing?
    ?
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 16 2020 16: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Or do you not understand what you are writing?

    You see, you don’t even perceive the text adequately. I explain: To write on each line that your opponent is a “liar”, if you did not like his answer, you can only be mentally ill, who now has an exacerbation. Further, in all countries now quarantine, and in hospitals treat only the corona virus, all the wards are occupied ...
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 16 2020 16: 37 New
    -4
    Quote: Alexander Green
    You see, you don’t even perceive the text adequately.

    who and what gave you the right to judge ... adequacy? belay lol
    you have been given a thousand times what exactly the patient considers himself healthy and sick -... others.
    Quote: Alexander Green
    I explain: Write on each line that your opponent is a “liar” if you did not like his answer, can only be mentally ill, who now has an exacerbation.

    I explain for the ignoramus:
    liar
    м.
    One who constantly lies or is accustomed to lying; liar.

    Explanatory Dictionary of Ephraim. T.F. Efremova

    That is, it is written when You're lying. not when you don’t like the answer.

    Got it, no? no

    Quote: Alexander Green
    Further, in all countries now quarantine, and in hospitals treat only the corona virus, all the wards are occupied ...

    I don’t need to explain to me why you were released, I don’t need this for a fin.

    Got it. not?

    This one is all smelly in just 2 comments:
    Quote: Alexander Green
    you are not adequate , mentally illwhich now exacerbation painfulHave exacerbate youe? N pAlata No. 6 free for you.
    -NORMAL person will write, eh?

    Again, didn’t get it? belay lol
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 16 2020 20: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    who and what gave you the right to judge ... adequacy

    What do I have to do with it? The whole forum knows about this.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 17 2020 09: 10 New
    -5
    Quote: Alexander Green
    What do I have to do with it? The whole forum knows about this.

    1. While:
    Quote: Alexander Greene
    you are not adequately, mentally ill, who now has an exacerbation of Painful, you have an exacerbation? Chamber No. 6 for you

    Got it, no? no

    2. only for myself speak, mother did not learn in childhood, no? fool

    3. On the topic - you have already 4 comments didn’t say a word, -one flood in the form of smelly.

    4. Reply you are NE able: being pressed against the wall, switched to rudeness.

    Shame ....
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 17 2020 10: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    1. While:

    I am not the only one to think so. Read the comment following my comment ...
  • Varyag_0711
    Varyag_0711 April 16 2020 16: 42 New
    0
    Alexander Green (Alexander)
    You see, you don’t even perceive the text adequately. I explain: To write on each line that your opponent is a “liar”, if you did not like his answer, you can only be mentally ill, who now has an exacerbation.
    Alexander hi , his aggravation did not start now, he has had it since his childhood, when his mother hit her head in the Soviet chair. And from there, an anti-Soviet aggravation started from him. laughing
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 17 2020 09: 20 New
    -6
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    Alexander, his exacerbation didn’t begin now, he has had it since childhood, when his mum head hit about Soviet chair. This is where the anti-Soviet aggravation started from him.

    It is oak rudeness and there is everything that forced out your tech "brain" ON THIS TOPIC? belay lol

    The theme, I remind you, is NOT me, but "Communists of Eastern Europe"

    Got it, no?

    What a CARE ... lol
  • Varyag_0711
    Varyag_0711 April 17 2020 09: 48 New
    +1
    Olgovich (Andrey)
    This is oak rudeness

    It’s not for you to talk about rudeness, you still need to look for boors like you on VO.
    Got it, no?
    This is apparently your catchphrase, it probably should emphasize your subtle "intelligent" nature?
    What a CARE ...
    About you is absolutely true! laughing
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 17 2020 10: 05 New
    -6
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    It’s not for you to talk about rudeness, you still need to look for boors like you on VO.
    !

    1.Me, for it’s not me who writes this Smelly dirt with the mention of strange mothers:
    his mum head hit about soviet chair


    YOUR OWN, yeah

    Got it, no? no

    Once again for the tank crewmates:
    The theme, I remind you, is NOT me, but "Communists of Eastern Europe"


    AGAIN did not get it, no? no

    Is there something to say on the topic?
    Again ..... nothing? Lack of knowledge, considerations, mov? disgrace ......

    Well, like this-

    To freedom! lol


    .
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 14 2020 20: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, there were practically no communists at all.

    Those who understood where Khrushchev was leading were few.

    I will say more - most of this has not yet been understood.
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 15 2020 11: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: Doliva63
    I will say more - most of this has not yet been understood.

    It's right.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 14 2020 09: 12 New
    -6
    Quote: Alexander Green

    In vain I offended the giraffe, it still comes to him, but not to you ...

    you cannot offend anyone by definition: people like you are not offended in Russia: it’s customary to pity and serve you yes
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Well, why speculate like that? I wrote - "politically illiterate."

    That is, the Soviet school, universities, countless regional committees, district committees and pr-educated politically illiterate people.
    Bravo! good
    Quote: Alexander Green
    So the front-line communists were not ready for the betrayal of Khrushchev, they did not even understand what had happened.

    1. And all because they ..... year-were not candidates.

    To die for the motherland-understood, but Marsism-no. fool It is also necessary to despise their fellow citizens ....

    As for the lack of candidates, VKPBE, liar:
    1941 2490479 1381986 3872465
    1945 3965530 1794839 5760369

    A source:
    https://sovtime.ru/kpss/chislennyij-sostav-kpss

    Quote: Alexander Green
    And those who simply understood cleanedbecause after the war, these were in the minority.

    minority is how much MILLION helpless, weak-willed, idle Bolshevik non-flexors that they were removed with one left all mediocrity, cowards and renegades, i.e. all and sundry? lol
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 14 2020 13: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      That is, the Soviet school, universities, countless regional committees, district committees, etc., educated politically illiterate people.

      Marxism is a science, to study it you need to make considerable efforts. And Marxism is an ideology, it is not enough to study it, it is also necessary to perceive it. Many enemies studied Marxism, but they did not become communists.
      Quote: Olgovich
      the minority is how many MILLIONS of helpless, weak-willed, lazy Bolshevik non-bendants that they were removed with one left, all mediocrity, cowards and renegades, i.e. all and sundry?

      Unfortunately, there were only a few who understood, not millions, and without the support of the people they could not do anything, and the people were deceived.
      Quote: Olgovich
      you cannot offend anyone by definition: people like you are not offended in Russia: it’s customary to pity and serve you

      Judging by the comments of readers on the forum, many already feel sorry for you ...
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 14 2020 13: 30 New
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Marxism is a science, to study it you need to make considerable efforts. And Marxism is an ideology, it is not enough to study it, it is also necessary to perceive it. Many enemies studied Marxism, but they did not become communists

        Those. single-handedly the government that ruled the Soviets could not teach Marsism to the people of the country and perceive it. lol good
        Thu. d.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 15 2020 11: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Those. solely ruling the Soviets the power could not teach the people of the country to Marsism and perceive it

          In order not to repeat myself, read above my comment to your colleague Dartu 2027, who also does not understand this.
  • Romans
    Romans 30 May 2020 09: 17 New
    0
    Almost all died at the front !!! There was always a cat crying for real Bolsheviks, those who were ready to die for the idea ... Even in the leadership of the state that the Bolsheviks went to, they were forced to use the services of the tsarist bureaucracy in view of the insufficient number of real Bolsheviks who were real and not adjusted or clung to it process consequences.
  • Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene April 13 2020 09: 30 New
    11
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Perhaps it was not a thaw, but a “warm stink”

    The thaw of the Khrushchev period is called diberasty, and the working people say: "DRUM!"
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 13 2020 13: 08 New
      -3
      For the working people, this was a period of moving from barracks to Khrushchev.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene April 13 2020 17: 50 New
        +8
        Quote: Krasnodar
        For the working people, this was a period of moving from barracks to Khrushchev.

        This period became the foundation for the fact that now labor nrarod from apartments is thrown into the street - in the homeless.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 13 2020 22: 04 New
          -5
          Homeless people? laughing
          In each country, their percentage plus or minus is the same, we are talking about people who do not want to be tied to social and material obligations.
          1. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene April 13 2020 22: 26 New
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            ..., we are talking about people who do not want to be attached to social and material obligations.

            I doubt that people voluntarily chose this path.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 13 2020 22: 28 New
              -6
              Well, now who is being thrown out of apartments?
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene April 13 2020 22: 37 New
                +6
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Well, now who is being thrown out of apartments?

                Do you not know such cases? Did not hear about fraud? How they take possession of apartments of pensioners and orphans by deception, how children of elderly parents are driven out into the streets, how banks select pictures for non-payment of loans. etc.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar April 13 2020 22: 55 New
                  -5
                  This is fraud, filth or punishment.
  • A.TOR
    A.TOR April 13 2020 18: 26 New
    -1
    It’s time for us to study our own history in the period from 1953 to 1964

    - and didn’t you think of doing anything more practical?
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 14 2020 20: 39 New
    -1
    "by presenting privileges and privileges that distinguish them from ordinary members of the same party" is a direct violation of Leninist norms. Remember, the food commissar of Tsurup fell into a hungry swoon, and party officials first thought of themselves
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 13 2020 06: 00 New
    +5
    The craving for strange allies is still preserved.
  • apro
    apro April 13 2020 06: 17 New
    0
    According to the results of the WWII, the USSR got eastern Europe into its zone of influence. And how to pursue its policy? Who do you rely on? The only decision is communist forces. Yes, they did not enjoy great popularity among the population. But having received power they could advance the interests of the USSR. But the inconsistent policy of the USSR itself was post-Stalin period caused damage to the Union and the countries of the social camp. after the departure from socialism destroyed everything ..
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 13 2020 06: 23 New
    19
    I will say as in spirit; Communists, from the time of the Second World War and communists, from the time of Gorbachev, are completely different people. For me, a real communist is my grandfather. Front-line worker. A decent person, respected by friends, colleagues and neighbors. But as far as I remember from my childhood, there were such people — a minority. The rest are just dastardly, trepachki and opportunists, with party cards.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 13 2020 06: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      For me, a real communist is my grandfather. Front-line worker. A decent person, respected by friends, colleagues and neighbors.

      and without a membership card he would be- Front-line worker. A decent person, respected by friends, colleagues and neighbors.

      And there were tens of millions.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 13 2020 08: 17 New
      14
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      For me, a real communist is my grandfather. Front-line worker. A decent person, respected by friends, colleagues and neighbors.

      Just like my father, who joined the CPSU (b) in the 4th Airborne Corps when Hitler was eager for Moscow, and lived as an honest Bolshevik until 2015.
    3. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene April 13 2020 18: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      I will say as in spirit; Communists, from the time of the Second World War and communists, from the time of Gorbachev, are completely different people. For me, a real communist is my grandfather. Front-line worker. A decent person, respected by friends, colleagues and neighbors.

      It's right. During the war, the best and most decent people joined the party; therefore, they were accepted into the party without a seniority. But, unfortunately, it’s not enough to be honest and decent. To stop Khrushchev’s counter-revolution, one had to be politically literate. Because of their lack of knowledge of the dialectics of the class struggle, they were led to Khrushchev’s deception. .
      1. Astra wild
        Astra wild April 14 2020 20: 53 New
        0
        Alexander Green, the Leninist party ended when the leadership began to take care of itself
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene April 15 2020 11: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Astra wild
          Leninist party ended when the leadership began to take care of itself

          This is already secondary. Primary - when the party ceased to cleanse itself of crooks. and clinging.
  • Maksim
    Maksim April 13 2020 07: 42 New
    10
    What again is all to blame? And where is the anti-Soviet activity, say Bulgarian? He protested against the anti-Stalinist antics of Khrishchov, and not against the USSR. What should he be - Vasal Khrushchov?
    The fact that the USSR itself collapsed and threw all-the guilty should seek in Moscow, and not outside the USSR. And the writing of such articles reflects a complete ignorance of the history of at least Bulgaria. I have not voiced the entire list ....
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 April 13 2020 07: 43 New
    +5
    Another thing is curious. The degeneration of the Communists was foreseen by Trotsky. Trotsky wrote that communism would collapse in the USSR due to the fact that the Soviet communist elite was immediately isolated from the people, having climbed into the Kremlin and into "state dachas", and began to acquire limited real estate and property, receiving everything from specialized stores. All this, Trotsky wrote, will ultimately turn the party elite into ordinary bourgeoisie, using party affiliation to stand above the rest of the people and enjoy property from their position. In the end, Trotsky wrote, the party elite will turn into an ideologically degenerated party nomenclature, preoccupied only with its position and affluence, and as a result, a situation will arise when the party ticket and membership in the party with its demand for self-restraint in needs and exhaustion of work for the good of all of the people, it will become a burden on them and they (his party ticket) will be thrown into the trash can, like an unnecessary piece of paper. It may be differently related to Trotsky; he’s personality is far from unambiguous, but he foresaw the degeneration of the leadership of the Communist Party
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 13 2020 08: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Snail N9
      The degeneration of the Communists was foreseen by Trotsky.

      Trotsky, about this very degeneration he began to speak in 1904 (see L.D. Trotsky Our political objectives), where he claimed, among other things, that the party consists of three quarters of the Marxist intelligentsia, that is, of talkers and dreamers.
      After the revolution, a stream of tramps poured into the party, who dreamed of exchanging ragged boots for new ones. Well, and then - more, in increasing increment.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 13 2020 13: 44 New
        -5
        Trotsky himself was a Marxist - an intellectual. The Vienna guide told me the reaction of his acquaintances described in the Austro-Hungarian newspapers of that time:
        - Trotsky and the revolution in Russia? With this talker, I played chess a couple of months ago in a cafe near the house! )))
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 13 2020 17: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Trotsky himself was a Marxist - an intellectual.

          Not bigger than Yezhov or Yagoda — we know his “theory”, it’s good that Stalin delivered him from the CPSU (B.) On time.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 13 2020 09: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Snail N9
      Another thing is curious.

      It was inevitable. These are the people.
    3. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 14 2020 06: 04 New
      0
      Snail! As for the limited real estate is not quite so. Apartments, dachas --- they were used while they were in these high positions. And demotion, dismissal --- go wherever you want. Often the resettlement of the head of the family in the gulag, well, the loss of housing, respectively.
      So, for example, the modern information about the “house on the embankment” says that the apartments were fully furnished, books, dishes by status, household trifles --- everything got right away. But immediately it was lost. Left without anything.
      The desire to own such property and secure it for children, grandchildren, to violate these conditions, of course, was.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 13 2020 07: 46 New
    14
    Hmm ... Not for nothing, in the West, the most popular Soviet leaders Nysa Khrushchev and Cape Gorbachev ... documentaries are shot about them in a positive way .. Rights, Brzezinski:
    "shortly after Stalin, power in Moscow and in the localities fell into the hands of ever less competent figures. They only cared about their own power at all costs. And ideology quickly turned into a screen for careerists and flattering officials, which were more often ridiculed in jokes. The same criterion, Naturally, soon prevailed in Eastern Europe. "
  • kalibr
    kalibr April 13 2020 08: 16 New
    +3
    What a good and informative article!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 13 2020 08: 18 New
    +5
    “People from Ukraine predominate in the leadership of the USSR from the Twentieth Congress, most of whom are communists only by the presence of a party card.
    You can’t argue with these words, it was all so.
  • Plantagenet
    Plantagenet April 13 2020 08: 24 New
    +2
    "Operation Danube" of 1968 Chepichka called "the discrediting of socialism and the political bankruptcy of Moscow."
    It turns out the introduction of troops was a mistake? By the way, N.S. Khrushchev criticized the same deployment of troops in Czechoslovakia, explaining the difference since 1956. In the Czech Republic the Communists had power, in Hungary the Communists began to be shot and hanged, Khrushchev explained ..
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 13 2020 08: 57 New
    10
    A small correction: Stalin did not set a goal to make the country similar to the DPRK. Yes, with our mentality this could not happen. He understood the dependence of the superstructure (ideology) on the basis (economy). I was 8 years old. And I remember the shops of that time very well. Stalin died, but the train rolled by inertia for a few more years. Even in the year 60 you could buy a Chinese shirt and Friendship sneakers. The new government relied on the debts of social countries for a long time. We wore Polish costumes, Hungarian shoes .. At that time, it did not require a superficial look. You need to carefully study it. But who is interested in this is a big question.
  • stannifer
    stannifer April 13 2020 09: 12 New
    +9
    Dear author, should you check the facts first?
    For example, Chepichka was a Czech, not a Slovak. And, most importantly, the only reason and foundation of his political career was ... that he married the only daughter of Clement Gottwald, the head of the communists of Czechoslovakia and its president (but certainly not the founder of Czechoslovakia). From there, and his nomination for the post of Minister of Defense under Gottwald, and the "overthrow" after his death and the beginning of de-Stalinization.
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 13 2020 09: 34 New
    +8
    Good article. It turned out that there were anti-Khrushchev forces among the socialist countries. Probably, each of the listed leaders had some mistakes and errors, but they were united in denying the policy of Khrushchev Kukuruzny. Respect to the author!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 16 2020 19: 39 New
      +1
      I liked the article very much, because a lot of new material ---- re-read everything. This is a further development of the topic of a series of articles about the acts of Nikita.
      I look forward to new articles on this topic. Thank.
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 13 2020 10: 19 New
    +1
    More recently, the whole world was silent when Brzezinski spoke

    Jarred ...
    On our forum, this is hardly true.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 13 2020 13: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Sergey S.
      Jarred ...
      On our forum, this is hardly true.

      Quite right - the image of Brzezinski was more inflated by our propaganda, but in reality he was not suitable for Kissinger in influencing political processes in the USA. Although as a theorist of Russophobia and anti-communism, he took place - it makes no sense to deny it.
      The article as a whole is very interesting, and shows what was carefully hidden from our people in Soviet times. Although I remember that in the classroom, individuals were sometimes casually mentioned in socialist countries, especially after their removal, when their mistakes and errors were criticized.
  • Operator
    Operator April 13 2020 12: 26 New
    +1
    Where the USSR crawled into, the countries of the social camp also crawled there laughing

    All who prevented the crawl were on the sidelines of the process.
  • Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky April 13 2020 13: 26 New
    +3
    Only our durelomes supported this maize.
  • Artashes
    Artashes April 13 2020 14: 37 New
    +6
    ROSS42 YOU RIGHT ALMOST AT ALL 100!
    Therefore, they plunged into disgrace those figures about whom it is capacious and, perhaps, the FIRST TIME said in the publication.
    It was Khrushchev’s “warm stench”, which had corrupted the leading elite and famously deceived the rest - falsely promising instead of the Stalinist course - a communist paradise by the end of the 70s. What happened next - all the more discredited the "remnants" of socialism. Brezhnev at the 25th congress announced the need to adjust the program of the 1961 party - but THEY did not know what else could be lied ...
  • Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko April 13 2020 15: 30 New
    +3
    Thank you, quite an interesting article! Comments are different and controversial, but thanks for the article!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein April 13 2020 15: 58 New
    +5
    I would especially emphasize the sniper statements of Brzezinski and Chervenkov. As I think, the people did not have great and possibly unattainable goals in the form of building communism. This was the goal of the extremely distant future. And before that, the increase in the well-being of the people should have corresponded to an increase in the moral standard of the people and an increase in labor productivity. It was impossible to stop the purges of the party. It was after Stalin’s death that the so-called Khrushchev call-Shevardnadze, Kravchuk, Kuchma, Aliyev, Yakovlev ... entered the party ... Yu Y Mukhin wrote well about this: "In the civil war, before the Great Patriotic War and during it it was responsible and dangerous to be a communist "The only privilege of the communist was the first to stand under machine-gun fire, to go to new great construction sites to distant lands." Careerists climbed little in the CPSU (B.). Under Khrushchev, there were no purges of the party, no internal counter-revolution and White Guard terrorist organizations either. The defenders simply began to be thrown from place to place, but they were not seriously punished. Complete relaxation. The fish rots from the head and the people felt it. Weakened technical, industrial and social discipline. They began to climb into the party not by conviction, but for the sake of a career. The party and the norm were greatly undermined when three workers had to be accepted to receive one engineer. So they took anyone.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 13 2020 17: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: knn54
    As for Mao, everything is simple - he considered himself "equal" to Stalin

    The Chinese - they are such Chinese. As Pikul wrote: “The mandarins still believed that the Celestial Empire is the navel of the Earth, they have nothing to learn from the Europeans, whom they sincerely considered their vassals. They continued to believe that the peoples of the whole world are only subjects of the Bogdykhans who accidentally emerged from slavish obedience. The mandarins didn’t quite understand why these “vassals,” like France or Russia, didn’t carry abundant tribute to the Beijing gates? " ©
    Our authorities would also read the history of relations between Russia and China.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 13 2020 19: 19 New
    +1
    Authors, in many respects I agree with you, but I have a question: for some reason you have bypassed Georgy Dimitrov, and he was more important than Chervenkov in the international labor movement.
    And about Mao, I doubt that he was a faithful Leninist.
    With all due respect to your opinion, I have been and remain Leninist. All the same, Stalin was the second, and the first was and will be Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. By the way, Stalin himself admitted it
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 13 2020 21: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Astra wild
      All the same, Stalin was the second, and the first was and will be Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. By the way, Stalin himself admitted it

      On this occasion, I can give you an example of Tsiolkovsky and Korolev - how to determine which of them is the first and which is the second? In theory, Tsiolkovsky was the first, but Korolev became the first practitioner. The same can be said of Lenin with Stalin - one scientifically substantiated the creation of a workers' state in Russia, and the other built socialism in the USSR. So, each of them was “first” in their field, but for our history this is no longer important - unfortunately the USSR is no longer there.
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 13 2020 19: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Sergey S.
    More recently, the whole world was silent when Brzezinski spoke

    Jarred ...
    On our forum, this is hardly true.

    Brzyzinski was an ideological enemy of communism, but he spoke correctly about our leaders
  • Tochilka
    Tochilka April 13 2020 19: 29 New
    0
    I read everything and understand, I know little about that time. Tell me who knows, authors and titles of books on Soviet history dating back to 40 to 90 years. Informative and objectively written. Thanks in advance.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 14 2020 06: 26 New
      -1
      Such books, written objectively, are not so easy to find. The book market is flooded with all kinds of slander and lies, both domestic scribes, and Polish and American.
      I immediately recall such proverbial authors ---- A.I. Fursov, K.G. Myalo, Victor Starodubov, Kolpakidi, Maxim Kalashnikov, then I will look at the books and write to you in PM.
      Quote: Tochilka
      I read everything and understand, I know little about that time. Tell me who knows, authors and titles of books on Soviet history dating back to 40 to 90 years. Informative and objectively written. Thanks in advance.

      I also try to learn more about that time, I can hardly get through laughing
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 13 2020 21: 00 New
    +3
    "ideology quickly ceased into a screen for careerists," 100% correctly said .... Although he is an enemy, he is a SMART person who respected us in his own way.
    Indeed, behind verbal diarrhea about: “our steering party,” we did not notice how the “steering” began to degenerate: Khrushchev, Shevardnadze, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Poroshenko, Avakov and Yanukovych and a great many others, they all tear up the “glory of the CPSU”. If they are Bolsheviks then .... I will gladly kiss the panther.
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild April 14 2020 20: 58 New
      +1
      And you asked her: she wants to kiss you
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 13 2020 21: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: tihonmarine
    “People from Ukraine predominate in the leadership of the USSR from the Twentieth Congress, most of whom are communists only by the presence of a party card.
    You can’t argue with these words, it was all so.

    Nationality is not an indicator of treason
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 13 2020 22: 05 New
    +2
    The authors, I agree with you a lot, but a few questions
    1) "many communist parties of developing and capitalist countries" are desirable in more detail: what and what is their number? Such as Navalny or Ksenia will say that such parties do not exist and they do not have authority, but what about reality?
    2) here you say: "in 1966 he was forced to emigrate and the good 1983 lived in Albania and China," and you do not remember what happened on Damansky in 1968? "
    3) if Mila is such a crystal Bolshevik, then why didn’t he object that the "great helmsman" was establishing friendship with the imperialists?
    4) Do you seriously believe that Mao was a Bolshevik-Stalinist? I recommend to you and everyone who wishes: The leg of "Undeclared War of the Soviet Union" there will learn something interesting about Mao.
    & 5) I wonder how in Bulgaria itself people relate to Chervenko and Demitrov?
  • Artashes
    Artashes April 13 2020 22: 24 New
    +1
    The meetings of Miyal with Khoja (73) and Mao (70) are planned as the creation of a WIDE front against the Soviet degenerates. But apparently Beijing and especially Tiran did not dare to bring the matter to an end ...
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild April 14 2020 20: 55 New
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    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: Snail N9
    The degeneration of the Communists was foreseen by Trotsky.

    Trotsky, about this very degeneration he began to speak in 1904 (see L.D. Trotsky Our political objectives), where he claimed, among other things, that the party consists of three quarters of the Marxist intelligentsia, that is, of talkers and dreamers.
    After the revolution, a stream of tramps poured into the party, who dreamed of exchanging ragged boots for new ones. Well, and then - more, in increasing increment.

    Valuable but true