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In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased

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In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased

In Ukraine, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant (PCP), which produces rocket fuel, was threatened with a complete stop. The reason for the closure is the lack of funding from the state. This was reported by Ukrainian media with reference to the statement of the director of the plant.


The Ukrainian authorities did not allocate funds for financing the Pavlograd Chemical Plant for 2020. According to the director of PCP Lionid Shiman, the shutdown of the enterprise will mean a shutdown of the entire missile industry, in particular the production of Alder missiles.

PCP is now in critical condition - since the beginning of the year we have not received funding, money has not yet been provided for us and for the implementation of the enterprise’s programs in 2020. (...) Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190

- said the director.

As explained, the Pavlograd plant has the technology for the production of solid rocket fuel, necessary for all missiles that are in service with the Ukrainian army and are still being developed. In addition to production, PCP owns technology for processing and utilizing rocket fuel, is able to extend the life of rockets and produces various types of explosives.

Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess

- said Shiman, adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2020 12: 29 New
    32
    По словам директора ПХЗ Лионида Шимана, остановка предприятия будет означать остановку всей ракетной отрасли, в частности производство ракет "Ольха".
    И не только их, а всех ракет использующих "твердое топливо", в том числе и "Нептуна" ...
    In Russia, similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
    And thank God...
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 12: 42 New
      +7
      Yes, Neptune is still an experimental craft, which has just entered a new stage of testing. It is not produced. So far, there is nothing to produce. How many same Alder missiles and experienced Alder-M missiles have been fired?
      1. Peter is not the first
        Peter is not the first April 12 2020 22: 06 New
        -6
        Наверное столько же сколько у нас выпущено "Цирконов". Ракеты ещё разрабатываются, а Вы уже про массовое производство. Да, конечно, хочется чтобы эти украинские ракеты легли в долгий стол, но пока денег хватает им, хоть мы и давно говорим, что Украина вот-вот развалиться, как и США. Пусть теперь хоть ракетного топлива не будет для их ракет, подтолкнем смердящего в Тартарары.
    2. Teberii
      Teberii April 12 2020 12: 44 New
      +6
      This is only the beginning, privatize land to sell factories, another redistribution of property is Comrade Shiman.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 33 New
        +4
        They knocked another bottom yes
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A April 12 2020 14: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Another bottom struck yes

          They thought they had reached the bottom, but they knocked from below ... (c)
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            They thought they had reached the bottom, but they knocked from below ... (with

            Something tells me that this knock will sound more and more often request
    3. Avior
      Avior April 12 2020 13: 41 New
      0
      Neptune is not solid fuel
      Engine: Turbofan engine MS-400 [6]
      Fuel: jet fuel
      1. gas113
        gas113 April 12 2020 13: 55 New
        +5
        What about the accelerator?
        1. Avior
          Avior April 12 2020 14: 11 New
          0
          he converted from S-125, in Ukraine, the stock of these missiles in warehouses
          1. Guards turn
            Guards turn April 12 2020 15: 14 New
            +5
            In the Lviv region, a worn anti-aircraft missile fell into the courtyard of a private house. It is reported by Interfax with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

            The incident occurred on April 2.

            “During the planned activities for the combat training of the brigade, anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) were launched,” said Defense Minister Andrei Taran.

            It is specified that no one was hurt, there was no damage.

            According to preliminary results of the investigation, the most likely cause of the incident was the technical malfunction of the rocket, which was produced in 1985.
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2020 16: 42 New
            +8
            Quote: Avior
            he converted from S-125, in Ukraine, the stock of these missiles in warehouses

            Даже если это и так, то сколько лет этим ракетам и заложенному в них топливу? А оно имеет свойство "портится" и если они готовы ставить "ускорители второй свежести" на свои новые ракеты, то это то же не самая плохая новость...шансов их падения или взрыва на старте становиться больше
            1. Avior
              Avior April 12 2020 17: 03 New
              -2
              Do not know
              I know that at the first launches they used Proto from s125, then they began to refine
              That missiles are old - that's for sure
              Pavlograd chemical nobody is going to close, this is also a fact
              What is the discussion going on in general - it's hard to understand
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 12 2020 17: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: Avior
                What is the discussion going on in general - it's hard to understand

                There is a discussion of the statement of the plant director, who forgive the money ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 12 2020 17: 07 New
                  0
                  About close the factory, not a word
                  Requests to change the financing procedure
                  Together state guarantees wants direct budget financing
                  In Ukraine, in addition to Alder and Neptune, they also make ATGMs and other missiles
                  Nobody is going to close the plant, the usual inter-departmental squabbles and garbage in the press
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 April 12 2020 17: 14 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Avior
                    About close the factory, not a word

                    Well, how can I say ... this statement of his can be regarded as a suspension of the enterprise, the specificity of which is such that the shutdown of the process can lead to problems
                    Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If the money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190
                    1. Avior
                      Avior April 12 2020 17: 21 New
                      0
                      there is a problem of fuel utilization of RS-22 missiles, which were delivered to the plant and had to be disposed of before 2019, but were not completed due to underfunding, some are stored.
                      The Americans should have financed, but in 2003 they refused, this burden still stretches
                      https://34.ua/v-pavlograde-na-himzavode-hranitsya-raketnoe-toplivo-kotoroe-ne-za-chto-utilizirovat_n84235
                      1. Sirocco
                        Sirocco April 13 2020 12: 57 New
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        there is a problem of fuel utilization of RS-22 missiles,

                        Oddly enough, everyone grabbed the foam, and let's suck and dance the lambada on the coffin lid. The problem at the plant and in the city for more than 20 years is connected with the so-called recycling of rocket fuel, which lies in the warehouses and is not disposed of, and this is a time bomb, so mother doesn’t cry, the plant has been distinguished by such fireworks more than once. the second problem is ecology, at first the Penguins financed the technology of hydraulic washing, then our nuggets began to burn, and here the fun started, it fell into the rain after burning, the bologna raincoat changed color, some trees dried up, oncology rushing. The plant is the largest manufacturer of explosives in the USSR; it produced a wide range of products, from tennis balls to bottom mines and other rocket launchers. In general, Pavlograd at one time began to develop and upset very much, if it weren’t for Gorbachev and co, it would be a great industrial center, the forge of defense of which are such plants as PMZ UMZ branch, PZTO - Stankozavod, Litmash, Himmash, and all these plants were located in direct subordination of Moscow. And all this miraculously profiled as we in the Russian Federation and ourselves Independent. I remember how the American liquidators snooped around the PMZ and pointed with their finger which machines and equipment to destroy, which they did with success, the plant director tried to hide unique equipment, but apparently the case of Pavlik Morozov lived and lives. So this is sorrow for all of us, and we have not gone far left all destroyed and turned the Russian Federation into a large shopping center.
                    2. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 April 12 2020 20: 15 New
                      -3
                      Quote: svp67
                      Well, how can I say ... this statement of his can be regarded as a suspension of the enterprise, the specificity of which is such that the shutdown of the process can lead to problems

                      in fact of the matter. Therefore, the enterprise will not be stopped, since this will entail much more serious problems. Yes, the staff at PCP has been reduced, but so far these are all measures.

                      The fact is that once in the past, under the presidency of Kravchuk, Ukraine pledged to abandon nuclear weapons. She handed over the warheads to Russia (in exchange for receiving fuel for nuclear power plants), but the missiles had to be disposed of on their own. And, although almost 20 years have passed since then, about 1,8 thousand tons of solid fuel from USSR missiles are still at the PCP. The shelf life of which has long been released. Imagine a firework from a babah of such an amount of fuel? Pavlograd will sweep away the face of the earth
                      So they will finance.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 April 13 2020 07: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Imagine a firework from a babah of such an amount of fuel? Pavlograd will sweep away the face of the earth

                        Pavlograd will not do ...
                  2. 16329
                    16329 April 12 2020 17: 46 New
                    +3
                    It is unfortunate that similar enterprises remained in Ukraine, I hope that in any case he has a problem with raw materials
                    1. Rzzz
                      Rzzz April 12 2020 23: 10 New
                      -1
                      Quote: 16329
                      I hope he has a raw material problem anyway

                      Yes, the raw materials are not so fantastic.
                      1. 16329
                        16329 April 13 2020 10: 08 New
                        0
                        No, of course, but some of its components are not produced in Ukraine
                  3. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 20: 54 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Avior
                    In Ukraine, in addition to Alder and Neptune, they also make ATGMs and other missiles

                    and many more tales tell !!! wink laughing

                    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess
                    1. Avior
                      Avior April 12 2020 20: 57 New
                      -2
                      Not without it, of course
                      But Ukraine was accepted into the agreement of the regime for limiting rocket technologies, and there are only three and a half dozen countries, so there are some
                      1. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 21: 05 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Avior
                        Not without it, of course
                        But Ukraine was accepted into the agreement of the regime for limiting rocket technologies, and there are only three and a half dozen countries, so there are some

                        внаукраина и "Мы освоили уникальные технологии, которыми большинство стран мира не обладает" - это откровенный стеб над своей страной...особенно если вспомнить самоуничтожающийся миномет молот!!! wassat lol
                  4. cmax
                    cmax April 12 2020 22: 07 New
                    +4
                    Avior. Конечно ни слова про закрытие. . Просто уволили более 650 человек с начала года, "а в остальном все хорошо".
      2. Old Operator
        Old Operator April 12 2020 13: 58 New
        +2
        Read about the starting engine
      3. Errr
        Errr April 12 2020 13: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        Neptune is not solid fuel
        He has a solid fuel starting accelerator.
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 12 2020 16: 15 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      всех ракет на твердом топливе, в том числе и "Нептуна" ...

      Neptune, like the X-35, is not a solid rocket (the engine consumes aviation kerosene)
      Solid propellant in a rocket is only a starting accelerator

      In addition, it is highly unlikely that the plant is completely covered. PCP is the only enterprise in Ukraine that has equipment and technology for the utilization of solid rocket fuel
      1. Avior
        Avior April 12 2020 16: 22 New
        -1
        he wasn’t covered at all, only the order of financing was changed
        They offer to take money under state guarantees, they also want to receive directly.
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 12 2020 17: 11 New
      +5
      Переживать было не о чем. Опытный образец, так остался бы опытным. Пиар и дерибан бюджета - главное, а что будет потом никого не волнует, потому что никто из них в бандерлянде жить не собирается. Почти у всех имеются паспорта США, Канады, Франции, Германии и т.д. Когда бандерлянд "пойдет в разнос", ребята оставят свое место работы и с чемоданами баксов уедут в теплые края.
  2. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 12 2020 12: 29 New
    +9
    Refueling missiles will now be a torch.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 12 2020 13: 32 New
      +3
      Well, why make people laugh, what kind of missiles, where to get them, and the burner will be made out without any missiles anyway. fellow lol
    2. Gato
      Gato April 12 2020 13: 36 New
      +5
      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      А нациков тогда чем заправлять? Они без горилкы "не полетят"
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 37 New
        +1
        Salome that fell will cost lol
        1. Gato
          Gato April 12 2020 14: 42 New
          +4
          Salom

          I’ll say as a specialist in ... uh ... rocket science: fat is like fuel, and burner is like an oxidizer fellow And you can easily fly in airless space wassat
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            And you can easily fly in airless space

            The main thing is that there is no collision with the ISS laughing
            1. Gato
              Gato April 12 2020 15: 12 New
              +1
              The main thing is that there is no collision with the ISS

              Well, there is enough extraterrestrial intelligence without the ISS. The worst nightmare for Natsik is not very polite green people
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Gato
                The worst nightmare for Natsik is not very polite green people

                Aha. Crowd flies
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 12 2020 14: 15 New
      -1
      Better hemp grown. Puffed up and already in space.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Puffed up and already in space.

        Or immediately on the moon laughing
    4. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 36 New
      -1
      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      And the kit will have an acetylene burner yes
    5. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      Officers told.
      Previously, some of the very first missiles were refueling including alcohol. After refueling, a lot of alcohol remained in the hoses.
      As they said officers of the Strategic Missile Forces began to drink too much laughing Alcohol urgently replaced
      And here's another story about the Air Force
      On the MiG-25, pure alcohol was used as an anti-icer. 300 liters !!!
      Его так и называли "Летающий гастроном"
      They say that the pilots' wives wrote a letter to the KB with a request to remove the alcohol.
      The answer was a masterpiece.
      "Если ЦК прикажет, заправлять будем коньяком"
      Maybe a bike, I don’t know, but I heard from techies and pilots laughing
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 12 2020 16: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        On the MiG-25, pure alcohol was used as an anti-icer. 300 liters !!!

        MiG used alcohol-water mixture. And in the anti-icing system it was the least. Basically - into the cooling system - the generators cooled, a lot of alcohol was consumed by the jamming station - only about 25 liters on the MiG180RB
      2. Gato
        Gato April 12 2020 17: 04 New
        +1
        they say wives of pilots

        Grandmother told (with her grandfather they served in Shaikovka, Tu-16, 60s) that flyers disdained technical alcohol (probably from internal aristocracy laughing ), а бегали за водкой в "Три березки", да так, что женком там выставлял блокпосты и патрули.
      3. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus April 12 2020 17: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        As they said officers of the Strategic Missile Forces began to drink too much

        It is not true. At the first RVSN complexes (R-12 rocket) there was no time to drink. And there’s nothing to drink - there was nitric acid in the rocket and not one more poisonous liquid. Only the contacts on the cable connectors and the optics of the aiming devices were cleaned with alcohol. The chief engineer always had a canister not empty and locked. No one knew where she stood.
        1. Gato
          Gato April 17 2020 15: 31 New
          -1
          It is not true. At the first Strategic Missile Forces complexes (R-12 missile)

          At R-2, the fuel was a 92% alcohol-water mixture, and the oxidizing agent was liquid oxygen. True, this is not the Strategic Rocket Forces, but the RVGK
  3. businessv
    businessv April 12 2020 12: 31 New
    0
    - said Shiman, adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
    It remains just a little bit - to become part of Russia, or just normal to cooperate with it and be respected! wink
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: businessv
      become part of Russia

      You need it.
      Or do you dream of giving the IMF debts for them?
      1. businessv
        businessv April 12 2020 14: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        You need it.

        This eastern part is independent, I don’t see anything terrible if 5-6 regions with a Russian-speaking population come under the jurisdiction of Russia. People have nothing to do with it! Moreover, in this case, the rest of the independence will be freed from minke whales faster.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: businessv
          This is the eastern part of the independent,

          Well, they would say
  4. demo
    demo April 12 2020 12: 31 New
    14
    PCP is now in critical condition - since the beginning of the year we have not received funding, money has not yet been provided for us and for the implementation of the enterprise’s programs in 2020. (...) Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190
    Good.
    "Бодливой корове рога ни к чему".
    The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 12 2020 12: 57 New
      14
      Quote: demo
      Good. The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.

      There certainly is no reason to worry about the 404s.
      I still sincerely do not understand why they are surprised? Did you jump? Did you crave lacy panties? The three-finger-thick contract with Europe was signed by ourselves, and there I think nothing was said about the development of industry - ourselves, all by ourselves
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A April 12 2020 14: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: demo
      "Бодливой корове рога ни к чему".
      The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.

      Их не поймёшь - то вот-вот ядерное оружие воспроизведут и по Москве жахнут (ещё совсем недавно "дама с косой" на майдане кричала, что "Москву надо сжечь атомным оружием" (с) и вот ещё https://topwar.ru/42324-ukrainskoe-yadernoe-oruzhie-zhelaniya-i-vozmozhnosti.html), то последние заводы закрывают...
      How are you going to burn Moscow?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        How are you going to burn Moscow?

        "Серниками" laughing
        1. LKW UE
          LKW UE April 12 2020 21: 15 New
          -4
          Sirnykami, you would have written cheesecakes, you are our ....
  5. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya April 12 2020 12: 32 New
    20
    Right dear gallop, brothers laughing . Worse than a galloping Nazi, only a galloping Nazi with a rocket.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 40 New
      +4
      And blindfolded
  6. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian April 12 2020 12: 33 New
    10
    forward, with a song, to the bright, future of a super-power slaves on Polish fields
    1. 4ekist
      4ekist April 12 2020 12: 50 New
      +4
      You can, for example, arrange the production of pots and pans. Same thing.
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
        Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 12 2020 12: 54 New
        +3
        Most likely the workshops will be closed and equipment will be sold for scrap.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 41 New
        +3
        [quote = 4ekist] It is possible, for example, to arrange the production of pots and pots [/ Quote]
        Do you think the next Maidan is planned?
      3. businessv
        businessv April 12 2020 14: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: 4ekist
        arrange the release of pans and pots

        The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich April 12 2020 14: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: businessv
          The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!

          In this case, the adhesive tape saves lol
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: businessv
          The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!

          Not just pots
  7. onix757
    onix757 April 12 2020 12: 35 New
    +1
    Все собственно как и у нас. Единственный в России производитель высококонцентрированной перекиси водорода для "Роскосмоса" "Синтез-ПВ" признан судом банкротом.
    In the post-Soviet space, the same people rule.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 April 12 2020 12: 50 New
      10
      высококонцентрированной перекиси водорода для "Роскосмоса" "Синтез-ПВ" ........и шо на ём летает сейчас???вернее на каких ракетоносителях? на сколько помню РН "семёрка " на керосин-кислороде. а протоны на гептил-амил, в своё время помнится первая ступень на ранних сериях ракет ПВО комплекса С-75 были на топливе надперекиси водорода ....по ходу дело не в банкротстве а в перепрофилировании
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 12 2020 20: 31 New
        -3
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        высококонцентрированной перекиси водорода для "Роскосмоса" "Синтез-ПВ" ........и шо на ём летает сейчас???

        так и Центр имени Хруничева (ракеты-носители семейства "Протон" и разгонные блоки к ним, РН семейства "Ангара") на грани банкротства.
        In fact, bankruptcy of an enterprise does not mean that it inappropriately ceases to exist and carry out its activities
        Так, тот же "Синтез-ПВ", несмотря на то, что в декабре 2019 признан банкротом, пока продолжает работать и выпускать продукцию. Текущие потребности "Роскосмоса" в поставках пероксида водорода while provided в т.ч. со стороны "Синтез-ПВ".

        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        высококонцентрированной перекиси водорода для "Роскосмоса" "Синтез-ПВ" ........и шо на ём летает сейчас???

        Synthesis of PV is the only producer of PV-85 and PV-98 fuel.
        Перекись водорода применяется в рулевых двигателях ракет семейства "Союз" и в двигателях системы спуска с орбиты космических кораблей "Союз МС".
        Кроме того, ее планируется применять в системе посадки космического корабля "Орел".
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 April 13 2020 21: 06 New
          -1
          двигателях системы спуска с орбиты космических кораблей "Союз МС"..........да чёт я тупанул про тормозные на Союзах. в пылу празднования Первого Полёта Востоков и Восходов которые просто шлёпались на парашютах об матушку-Землю Союзы тормозились в дополнение к парашюту движками, но тем не менее скорей не банкротство а замена менеджмента
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 12 2020 13: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: onix757
      Everything is just like ours.

      So we don’t have rockets? Hmm ...
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 12 2020 18: 06 New
      +4
      Многие предприятия банкротят, чтобы перевести в "Ростех" или другие госкорпорации. Например, предприятие в Кургане по производсту бронетехники после банкротства успешно работает. Иногда, если частные владельцы слишком рыпаются, а предприятие имеет важное значение для ВПК, иного выхода нет.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 12 2020 12: 36 New
    +8
    Matches for children is not a toy ... You don’t need rockets ... Otherwise, it will fly the wrong way ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . And then it’s flying the wrong way ..

      On Banking for example lol
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter April 12 2020 16: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Lipchanin
        On Banking for example

        Well, that’s exactly - THERE !!!
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 12 2020 17: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Lipchanin
          On Banking for example

          Well, that’s exactly - THERE !!!

          A rocket is no fool wherever it goes laughing
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 22: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Otherwise, it’ll fly the wrong way ...

      им не привыкать...помимо сбитых гражданских самолетов, они разок шмальнули "Точкой" по своему жилому дому!! request
  9. 113262a
    113262a April 12 2020 12: 38 New
    +4
    Scha brothers still help the brothers! Fuel and Belarus nonsense, also sells to the Chinese!
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 12 2020 12: 40 New
    +6
    Как вариант, выклянчивать деньги, или топливо у евпомсоюза, на нужды "борцунов " против "Российских военных орд " ! lol Perhaps, Europe and drips UK homeland -400 drops of valerian, (without salad) laughing
  11. knn54
    knn54 April 12 2020 12: 45 New
    +3
    Обанкротят ,продадут стратегическое и градообразующее(есть еще шахты) предприятие."Истинные украинцы" Айварас Абромавичус и Мустафа Найем (еще и порохоботы) выполняют указания англосаксонских советников,коих в "Укроборонпроме" предостаточно.
  12. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 12 2020 12: 47 New
    +6
    So throw a cry, let the people send SMS again!
    The ancient Ukrainian fun was supported by the army, now industry, etc., can be in a circle.)))
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      etc,

      Prezikluna. The rating is falling, it is necessary to support
  13. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 April 12 2020 12: 56 New
    +3
    Duc why goat button accordion, it's time to fields to pshekah. all the more so no need to go far. a native of the country ....
  14. Mebius
    Mebius April 12 2020 12: 57 New
    -1
    The reason for the closure is the lack of funding from the state.

    Interestingly, what did they carry there before? Rocket building has long existed on the outskirts ..
    Or most likely for which country of BV and Africa?
    Well, all the lads, we take everything away to metal and drag it to the Baltic states .. laughing
  15. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 12 2020 12: 59 New
    -12
    Scha brothers still help the brothers! Fuel and Belarus nonsense, also sells to the Chinese!

    In Nazism, he popped something, but he says only in Ukraine.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 12 New
      +6
      Do you have any idea what Nazism is?
      Нацизм — мировоззрение, ставящее во главу мира определенную нацию (расу или народ) и ратующее за использование репрессивных мер по отношению к остальной части человечества. Осуждение нацизма основывается на этих репрессивных мерах и на том, что нет возможности выйти из группы угнетаемых людей.Так что под это определение вполне подходят такие лозунги как "Америка прежде всего" или например "Украина понад усе".А в приведенной вами цитате ничего такого нет,там просто вносят ясность в реалии нашего времени,прощитывают все возможные варианты.Только всего.Кстати вот почему в ООН те же США ,Украина голосуют против документов, осуждающих нацизм,так как не хотят осуждать сами себя.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS April 12 2020 13: 04 New
    +7
    This is of course the version, but why not ............
    Why raise a revolt of patriots, you can quietly peacefully cover up one of the strategic factories and the floor of the military industrial complex will collapse. Our partners in Russia did in the 90s. They closed strategic productions under the guise of privatization, bankruptcy, corporatization and everything, there is no weapon in the country. It looks like the developed scheme of the West. And then the Poles got excited about the success of Ukraine in the production of RCC Neptune. The owner will bring everything to balance, he needs the land of Ukraine, and not the Bandera squad with missile weapons !!!
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 27 New
      +5
      And then the Poles got excited about the success of Ukraine in the production of RCC Neptune.

      In the trial of RCC Neptune, not production.
      The owner will bring everything to balance, he needs the land of Ukraine, and not the Bandera squad with missile weapons !!!

      And not only he needs the land of Ukraine, but also Poland, Hungary, Romania, maybe Turkey that will fall, not to mention Russia. So nobody needs a strong Ukraine. It is possible that the West didn’t like hints of potential successes of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and cut it They decided to speed up so that the client did not leave, having removed the gypsum ahead of time. Not for that he was lured into a debt hole. The client should be dependent and easily manageable.
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 22: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        maybe Turkey that will fall

        doubtful ... the maximum-a piece of Georgia !!! wassat lol
    2. Tusv
      Tusv April 12 2020 14: 53 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      cover one of the strategic plants and the floor of the military-industrial complex will collapse. Our partners did in the 90s

      Interesting version. Izit Nau VPK works, sells, but is not for sale, unlike U. VPK
  17. Tusv
    Tusv April 12 2020 13: 05 New
    +4
    Well what can I say about this. The frayer's greed ruined. Ukraine tried to sell Russia the average Zenith at the price of a heavy Proton. Result Sea launch has sunk into oblivion, as well as Ukrainian rocket science. And who needs Ukrainian rocket fuel. Only Russia. Let's get more sanctions from Russia and you will ruin the country
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 19 New
      +8
      Does Russia need Ukrainian rocket fuel? I strongly doubt it. There is one.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 12 2020 13: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Does Russia need Ukrainian rocket fuel? I strongly doubt it. There is one.

        About that and match. The last rocket with a Ukrainian share took off six months ago. Not well, we are still utilizing Satan, with the launch of satellites. So there is a three-fold supply of fuel
    2. Avior
      Avior April 12 2020 14: 28 New
      -1
      can you give a price link?
      everywhere it says that they paid, and then changed their minds without explanation
      1. Tusv
        Tusv April 12 2020 14: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        can you give a price link?

        Googel in the teeth and a feather in the ass
        everywhere it says that they paid, and then changed their minds without explanation

        Not well. We paid, I do not deny it. Only Us cookie showed the new Maidan authorities for Our money. And if a neighbor deceives you, then it’s better to pay your own. As a result, the third space power is deep in the place where parades are happening on Red Square
        1. Avior
          Avior April 12 2020 15: 02 New
          +1
          Googel in the teeth and feather in the garden

          understand you can't
          I will help you.

          As a launch vehicle, a three-stage Zenit-3SL rocket was used - a modification of the Zenit-2 launch vehicle with a DM booster. The main developer - Yuzhnoye Design Bureau (Dnipro), was produced at the Yuzhmash Dnepropetrovsk plant.

          On August 14, 2017, S7 confirmed that it would use Zenit until 2023, after which it would switch to Soyuz-5 [51] ....
          On October 3, 2017, the head of RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev told the media that at the first stage of using the cosmodrome, only Zenit will be launched from it. At the second stage, after the modernization of the cosmodrome and the appearance of the Soyuz-5 carrier, the Zenit will be abandoned [53].
          On February 13, 2018, the CEO of S7 Space Transport Systems (a subsidiary of the S7 group) Sergey Sopov told the media that the company ordered Yuzhmash to produce 12 launch vehicles until 2023 inclusive, based on the self-sustainability of the project in 3-4 launches in year. The composition of each Zenith includes an RD-171M first stage engine, a second stage combustion chamber, a control system and many other components, which are completely manufactured in Russia. In total, about 150 domestic enterprises are involved in cooperation. Their share in cost terms of the cost of the rocket is 80%. Fulfillment of the contract for 12 Zenit will bring Russian enterprises half a billion dollars [54].
          The Zenit launch vehicle for the first launch as part of the resumption of the Sea Launch project can be manufactured in 2019. The carrier was to be built by Ukraine, with the participation of Russia, and the final assembly of the rocket was planned to be carried out in the USA [55]. In March 2019, a message was received to cancel this scheme.

          could already fly .... if not ...


          The private Russian space company S7 Space has refused a contract with the Ukrainian plant Yuzhmash for the production of 12 Zenit launch vehicles. This information was confirmed to Kommersant by the co-owner of the company Natalya Fileva .....
          But the Russian authorities forbade the enterprises of Roscosmos to supply components for Zenit to the Ukrainian Yuzhmash.

          what is the reason?
          https://korrespondent.net/business/companies/4079036-rossyiskaia-kosmycheskaia-kompanyia-otkazalas-ot-ukraynskykh-raket
          Obviously, at the moment, the Russian side is unlikely to have a ready-made alternative to Zenit. True, there is Soyuz-5, but it is still unknown whether it will be suitable for Sea Launch without any modifications. This, by the way, despite the fact that S7 Space has already transferred part of the amount (approximately $ 30 million) to the Ukrainian company. So why did S7 nevertheless refuse the services of a Ukrainian enterprise?
          Причина, как обычно, политическая. Как напомнил НА "Харьков" политолог Олег Игнатов, это произошло из-за санкций, в данном случае, российских. ...Очевидно, что если бы российская S7 не стала соблюдать санкции, то это был бы скандал, ведь компания обязана соблюдать законы собственной страны.

          https://nahnews.org/1009985-yuzhmash-ostalsya-bez-kontraktov-pochemu-rossiya-otkazalas-ot-ukrainskoi-rakety-nositelya
          and 150 Russian enterprises were left without earnings, and Yuzhmash received 30 million.
          hi
          1. Tusv
            Tusv April 12 2020 15: 12 New
            -2
            Quote: Avior
            and 150 Russian enterprises were left without earnings, and Yuzhmash received 30 million.

            I understand that apart from someone else's sheet, you have no thoughts. Thirty million of what?
            NK-33 cherished Yankees certified RD-181, the cosmodrome in Bolivia there too. Yes, I would have shot myself long ago from such creative Uzbeks. Moreover, in our space industry is far from sweet
            1. Avior
              Avior April 12 2020 16: 06 New
              +4
              thoughts arise from facts.
              And thoughts without facts are a torrent of torment.
              Thirty million of what?

              30 million

              Now do you know the facts?
              Success
              1. Tusv
                Tusv April 12 2020 17: 53 New
                -3
                Quote: Avior
                Now do you know the facts?

                Not that Zenith is one of the best mid-range missiles I know. Only this verbiage about 2017-18 is actually how many Zeniths could launch. But. Forgot chtol We are under the most severe Ukrainian sanctions bully
                1. Avior
                  Avior April 12 2020 18: 05 New
                  +1
                  like all the facts I told you
                  hi
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv April 12 2020 18: 14 New
                    +1
                    What are the facts? When was the last time Zenit flew into space? You have facts, it's that I scratch my left ear, so right away Putin will write me 25 years in a maximum security colony
                    1. Avior
                      Avior April 12 2020 19: 02 New
                      +1
                      facts about your statement
                      why abandoned Zenith
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 12 2020 13: 09 New
    0
    Ukraine and missiles are incompatible terms. Poverty and missiles are incompatible.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv April 12 2020 13: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Ukraine and missiles are incompatible terms.

      Why so? We let go of Ukraine as a space power number three. In its entirety, Zenit, as an average missile, is one of the best. Only nafig was not needed
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 22: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Tusv
        In its entirety, Zenit, as an average missile, is one of the best. Only nafig was not needed

        there it seems like most of the components were Russian ... now they themselves can’t make a Zenith, nor can they assemble AN !!! request wassat
  19. bar
    bar April 12 2020 13: 12 New
    +3
    "Не вписался в рынок"(с)
  20. Amateur
    Amateur April 12 2020 13: 12 New
    12
    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias.

    Советские заводы не строились "за гривны". За гривны только ломают и закрывают.
  21. beeper
    beeper April 12 2020 13: 16 New
    +7
    Нет никакой печали в том, что производство ракет и взрывчатки для бандеронацистских карателей прекратится! И поделом-"бодливой корове рога противопоказаны"! wink
    Вот куда ещё уходили аж миллиарды наших налогов и ежемесячного "военного побора"-не только на "распилы" клепточинушами-"свинарчуками" по "свойим закордонным шэвчэнкивськым хатынкам", а и на реальное производство ракетного топлива и взрывчатки для массового убийства наших сограждан, восставших против антиконституционного проамериканского майданопереворота!
    Раз уж пока ничего нельзя поделать с антинародной антигосударственной бандеронацистской хунтой( с помощью Вашингтона и его "общеевропейских" сателлитов, оккупировавшей, поработившей, Украину и превратившей её в нищую побирушку-амероколонию "Юкрейн"!!!), то уж лучше пусть ж/бандеровское ворьё безмерно наживается, гребёт под себя и жрёт в три горла, за счёт "вонючих схем" расхищая финансирования ВСУ, чем эти наши трудовые налоги попадут на снабжение оружием и в лапы "хероев"-душегубов, убивающих в "зоне АТО" мирное население родного Донбасса!
  22. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 12 2020 13: 17 New
    +1
    Some kind of fuel there .. The main thing is to sell the earth. And there, though, the grass does not grow.
  23. Naughty
    Naughty April 12 2020 13: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Refueling missiles will now be a torch.


    It’s not human, it’s not human lol . Even if the rockets are aimed at Muscovites. laughing
  24. Ravil_Asnafovich
    Ravil_Asnafovich April 12 2020 13: 25 New
    +1
    Everything would be fine, but in Pavlograd there is a lot of spent rocket fuel, which is stored in an improper manner which was supposed to be reprocessed.
    1. beeper
      beeper April 12 2020 13: 42 New
      +2
      hi Равиль_Аснафович, финансирование на переработку очень стрёмно хранящегося( и так уже десятилетиями!) в Павлограде высокотоксичного ракетного топлива было прекращено ещё ж при "голубых воришках" Янеке-Азарове, увы!
      А уж их майданным подельникам-нарциссическим казнокрадам с "мультипаспортами" это и подавно ни к чему-ведь как говаривал недофюрер майдана-амеромарионеточный "майданопремьер" Сеня Кролик-Кулявлоба во времена клепто"строительства великого сеточного забора": "в этой стране я жить не собираюсь"?! request
  25. tsinik
    tsinik April 12 2020 13: 29 New
    +2
    What Toya did not understand is overreach or zrad.
  26. sabakina
    sabakina April 12 2020 13: 33 New
    +5
    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess
    I am tormented by vague doubts that PCP and unique technologies appeared after 1991 ....
  27. K-50
    K-50 April 12 2020 14: 21 New
    +4
    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers.

    для начала, всё это было создано в советское "оккупационное" время, на деньги налогоплательщиков ВСЕЙ Советской страны. Украинские же налогоплательщики разве что не дали предприятию раньше сгинуть
    But it seems the time has come.
    Как в русской поговорке - "сколь верёвочка не вейся, конец всё равно будет".
  28. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA April 12 2020 14: 24 New
    +1
    A few years ago, the Americans examined this plant, possibly for their own use, but apparently in the USA they decided to liquidate the enterprise, from which, and not only from this episode, the prospect emerges that the Americans are not going to stay in this country for a long time, together with The EU will destroy all strategic sectors so that we do not take advantage of them, buy the best assets, and jump off, everything is clear and predictable
    1. Avior
      Avior April 12 2020 16: 25 New
      +1
      A few years ago, the Americans examined the plant.

      since he participated in programs for the reprocessing of decommissioned missiles and the destruction of infantry mines.
  29. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 12 2020 14: 27 New
    -1
    Well, how differently !!!! ???? Dill something flying can not be trusted !!!!! May get hurt !!!!!
    1. Arthur 85
      Arthur 85 April 13 2020 08: 43 New
      +1
      Yeah. One missile will be lost, the other will be broken.
  30. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs April 12 2020 14: 37 New
    +1
    And then the valtsman has the money. Mustache according to plan.
  31. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 12 2020 15: 21 New
    +1
    And good. One less competitor
  32. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 12 2020 15: 30 New
    0
    In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased
    It seems proposed to find internal reserves. I'm afraid the exquisite reserves will shake Overwhelming. repeat
  33. Prjanik
    Prjanik April 12 2020 15: 56 New
    +2
    They directly surprised the 90s at the Ruin and did not stop.
  34. Motorist
    Motorist April 12 2020 17: 09 New
    0
    in Russia, similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them

    GIPH and I had something similar in the 90s.
  35. U-58
    U-58 April 12 2020 18: 31 New
    0
    I somehow didn’t understand.
    If the product is in demand, then it will be bought and financing is automatic.
    Unless to be credited for running expenses.
    But if products are not needed, then who will pay money for air ???
  36. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith April 12 2020 18: 34 New
    +1
    Вот тебе и "украинские" ракеты, которыми так грозились и хотели по Крымскому мосту пулять.
    What will you refuel? Kizyakom?))
    1. Gosha Smirnov
      Gosha Smirnov April 12 2020 23: 46 New
      +2
      salty bacon and vodka
  37. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 12 2020 19: 50 New
    0
    God grant that this plant is anchored
  38. Old26
    Old26 April 12 2020 20: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Evgenijus
    It is not true. At the first RVSN complexes (R-12 rocket) there was no time to drink. And there’s nothing to drink - there was nitric acid in the rocket and not one more poisonous liquid.

    Kamrad Lipchanin probably meant the R-1, R-2 and R-5 missiles. Although the phrase officers of the Strategic Missile Forces is a little inconsistent. Then the Strategic Rocket Forces were not yet ...
  39. DPN
    DPN April 12 2020 21: 27 New
    0
    On surely a joke, they will not allow to stop if he is the only one.
  40. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first April 12 2020 22: 00 New
    +1
    Закрыть, взорвать все строения, и разровнять площадку под парк "Дружбы и Мира"!
  41. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich April 12 2020 22: 22 New
    +2
    In Ukraine, even a GOLD mine will go bankrupt - not on the topic, but in essence.
  42. Gosha Smirnov
    Gosha Smirnov April 12 2020 23: 45 New
    0
    Well, uh ... we need a factory where even they don’t even paint
  43. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 12 2020 23: 54 New
    +2
    Oh, holos.
    The fat has already disappeared, the burner too, chernozem 3 times minimum, now they have reached rocket fuel .....
  44. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 13 2020 00: 09 New
    +4
    И Слава Богу, что закрывается. Специалистов забрать себе, а "киевской обезьяне" на одну "гранату" меньше будет!
  45. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 13 2020 01: 59 New
    +1
    словам директора ПХЗ Лионида Шимана, остановка предприятия будет означать остановку всей ракетной отрасли, в частности производство ракет "Ольха".
    Let the toilet paper produce. if they can. laughing laughing laughing
  46. Dog
    Dog April 13 2020 03: 34 New
    +2
    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers.

    The company was founded in 1929. At the expense of Ukrainian tax payers, there could be worked out the technologies of embezzlement there, the rest is our heritage, the rights to which the modern state of Ukraine for me, for example, are not at all obvious.
  47. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 13 2020 08: 38 New
    -1
    The surname is significant for the director. In general, it’s better to gouge it with Caliber, the Jews won’t bomb anything in Syria right away. And we need to ...
  48. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 April 13 2020 08: 41 New
    +1
    And thank God. Take away a grenade from Svidomo.
    1. Rusfaner
      Rusfaner April 13 2020 18: 33 New
      0
      What are you, what are you!
      Let it play!
      And, this ... straighten the antennae, otherwise the hour is uneven, they will catch on ...
  49. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 13 2020 13: 56 New
    0
    adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them

    How could it be that the neighbor’s cow didn’t die. And here he slipped. They cannot live without us.
  50. ZaharoFF
    ZaharoFF April 13 2020 14: 02 New
    0
    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias.

    These technologies were made for conscientious rubles. For the Ukrainian hryvnia - the fence was painted in a yellow-black color a couple of times.