In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased

In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased

In Ukraine, the Pavlograd Chemical Plant (PCP), which produces rocket fuel, was threatened with a complete stop. The reason for the closure is the lack of funding from the state. This was reported by Ukrainian media with reference to the statement of the director of the plant.


The Ukrainian authorities did not allocate funds for financing the Pavlograd Chemical Plant for 2020. According to the director of PCP Lionid Shiman, the shutdown of the enterprise will mean a shutdown of the entire missile industry, in particular the production of Alder missiles.

PCP is now in critical condition - since the beginning of the year we have not received funding, money has not yet been provided for us and for the implementation of the enterprise’s programs in 2020. (...) Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190

- said the director.

As explained, the Pavlograd plant has the technology for the production of solid rocket fuel, necessary for all missiles that are in service with the Ukrainian army and are still being developed. In addition to production, PCP owns technology for processing and utilizing rocket fuel, is able to extend the life of rockets and produces various types of explosives.

Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess

- said Shiman, adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
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  1. svp67 April 12 2020 12: 29 New
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    According to the director of PCP Lionid Shiman, the shutdown of the enterprise will mean a shutdown of the entire missile industry, in particular the production of Alder missiles.
    And not only them, but all missiles using "solid fuel", including Neptune ...
    In Russia, similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
    And thank God...
    1. Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 12: 42 New
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      Yes, Neptune is still an experimental craft, which has just entered a new stage of testing. It is not produced. So far, there is nothing to produce. How many same Alder missiles and experienced Alder-M missiles have been fired?
      1. Peter is not the first April 12 2020 22: 06 New
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        Probably the same as we have released "Zircons". Missiles are still being developed, and you are already talking about mass production. Yes, of course, I want these Ukrainian missiles to go on a long table, but so far they have enough money, although we have long been saying that Ukraine is about to fall apart, like the United States. Let now though there will be no rocket fuel for their missiles, push the stinking one into Tartarara.
    2. Teberii April 12 2020 12: 44 New
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      This is only the beginning, privatize land to sell factories, another redistribution of property is Comrade Shiman.
      1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 33 New
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        They knocked another bottom yes
        1. Zoldat_A April 12 2020 14: 45 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Another bottom struck yes

          They thought they had reached the bottom, but they knocked from below ... (c)
          1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            They thought they had reached the bottom, but they knocked from below ... (with

            Something tells me that this knock will sound more and more often request
    3. Avior April 12 2020 13: 41 New
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      Neptune is not solid fuel
      Engine: Turbofan engine MS-400 [6]
      Fuel: jet fuel
      1. gas113 April 12 2020 13: 55 New
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        What about the accelerator?
        1. Avior April 12 2020 14: 11 New
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          he converted from S-125, in Ukraine, the stock of these missiles in warehouses
          1. Guards turn April 12 2020 15: 14 New
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            In the Lviv region, a worn anti-aircraft missile fell into the courtyard of a private house. It is reported by Interfax with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

            The incident occurred on April 2.

            “During the planned activities for the combat training of the brigade, anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) were launched,” said Defense Minister Andrei Taran.

            It is specified that no one was hurt, there was no damage.

            According to preliminary results of the investigation, the most likely cause of the incident was the technical malfunction of the rocket, which was produced in 1985.
          2. svp67 April 12 2020 16: 42 New
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            Quote: Avior
            he converted from S-125, in Ukraine, the stock of these missiles in warehouses

            Even if this is so, how old are these missiles and the fuel embedded in them? But it has the property of "spoiling" and if they are ready to put "boosters of the second freshness" on their new missiles, then this is also not bad news ... the chances of their falling or exploding at the start become more
            1. Avior April 12 2020 17: 03 New
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              Do not know
              I know that at the first launches they used Proto from s125, then they began to refine
              That missiles are old - that's for sure
              Pavlograd chemical nobody is going to close, this is also a fact
              What is the discussion going on in general - it's hard to understand
              1. svp67 April 12 2020 17: 04 New
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                Quote: Avior
                What is the discussion going on in general - it's hard to understand

                There is a discussion of the statement of the plant director, who forgive the money ...
                1. Avior April 12 2020 17: 07 New
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                  About close the factory, not a word
                  Requests to change the financing procedure
                  Together state guarantees wants direct budget financing
                  In Ukraine, in addition to Alder and Neptune, they also make ATGMs and other missiles
                  Nobody is going to close the plant, the usual inter-departmental squabbles and garbage in the press
                  1. svp67 April 12 2020 17: 14 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    About close the factory, not a word

                    Well, how can I say ... this statement of his can be regarded as a suspension of the enterprise, the specificity of which is such that the shutdown of the process can lead to problems
                    Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If the money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190
                    1. Avior April 12 2020 17: 21 New
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                      there is a problem of fuel utilization of RS-22 missiles, which were delivered to the plant and had to be disposed of before 2019, but were not completed due to underfunding, some are stored.
                      The Americans should have financed, but in 2003 they refused, this burden still stretches
                      https://34.ua/v-pavlograde-na-himzavode-hranitsya-raketnoe-toplivo-kotoroe-ne-za-chto-utilizirovat_n84235
                      1. Sirocco April 13 2020 12: 57 New
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                        Quote: Avior
                        there is a problem of fuel utilization of RS-22 missiles,

                        Oddly enough, everyone grabbed the foam, and let's suck and dance the lambada on the coffin lid. The problem at the plant and in the city for more than 20 years is connected with the so-called recycling of rocket fuel, which lies in the warehouses and is not disposed of, and this is a time bomb, so mother doesn’t cry, the plant has been distinguished by such fireworks more than once. the second problem is ecology, at first the Penguins financed the technology of hydraulic washing, then our nuggets began to burn, and here the fun started, it fell into the rain after burning, the bologna raincoat changed color, some trees dried up, oncology rushing. The plant is the largest manufacturer of explosives in the USSR; it produced a wide range of products, from tennis balls to bottom mines and other rocket launchers. In general, Pavlograd at one time began to develop and upset very much, if it weren’t for Gorbachev and co, it would be a great industrial center, the forge of defense of which are such plants as PMZ UMZ branch, PZTO - Stankozavod, Litmash, Himmash, and all these plants were located in direct subordination of Moscow. And all this miraculously profiled as we in the Russian Federation and ourselves Independent. I remember how the American liquidators snooped around the PMZ and pointed with their finger which machines and equipment to destroy, which they did with success, the plant director tried to hide unique equipment, but apparently the case of Pavlik Morozov lived and lives. So this is sorrow for all of us, and we have not gone far left all destroyed and turned the Russian Federation into a large shopping center.
                    2. Grigory_45 April 12 2020 20: 15 New
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                      Quote: svp67
                      Well, how can I say ... this statement of his can be regarded as a suspension of the enterprise, the specificity of which is such that the shutdown of the process can lead to problems

                      in fact of the matter. Therefore, the enterprise will not be stopped, since this will entail much more serious problems. Yes, the staff at PCP has been reduced, but so far these are all measures.

                      The fact is that once in the past, under the presidency of Kravchuk, Ukraine pledged to abandon nuclear weapons. She handed over the warheads to Russia (in exchange for receiving fuel for nuclear power plants), but the missiles had to be disposed of on their own. And, although almost 20 years have passed since then, about 1,8 thousand tons of solid fuel from USSR missiles are still at the PCP. The shelf life of which has long been released. Imagine a firework from a babah of such an amount of fuel? Pavlograd will sweep away the face of the earth
                      So they will finance.
                      1. svp67 April 13 2020 07: 51 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Imagine a firework from a babah of such an amount of fuel? Pavlograd will sweep away the face of the earth

                        Pavlograd will not do ...
                  2. 16329 April 12 2020 17: 46 New
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                    It is unfortunate that similar enterprises remained in Ukraine, I hope that in any case he has a problem with raw materials
                    1. Rzzz April 12 2020 23: 10 New
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                      Quote: 16329
                      I hope he has a raw material problem anyway

                      Yes, the raw materials are not so fantastic.
                      1. 16329 April 13 2020 10: 08 New
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                        No, of course, but some of its components are not produced in Ukraine
                  3. Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 20: 54 New
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                    Quote: Avior
                    In Ukraine, in addition to Alder and Neptune, they also make ATGMs and other missiles

                    and many more tales tell !!! wink laughing

                    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess
                    1. Avior April 12 2020 20: 57 New
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                      Not without it, of course
                      But Ukraine was accepted into the agreement of the regime for limiting rocket technologies, and there are only three and a half dozen countries, so there are some
                      1. Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 21: 05 New
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                        Quote: Avior
                        Not without it, of course
                        But Ukraine was accepted into the agreement of the regime for limiting rocket technologies, and there are only three and a half dozen countries, so there are some

                        in Ukraine and “We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess” - this is a frank banter over our country ... especially if you recall the self-destructing mortar hammer !!! wassat lol
                  4. cmax April 12 2020 22: 07 New
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                    Avior. Of course not a word about closing. . Just fired more than 650 people since the beginning of the year, "but everything else is fine."
      2. Old Operator April 12 2020 13: 58 New
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        Read about the starting engine
      3. Errr April 12 2020 13: 58 New
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        Quote: Avior
        Neptune is not solid fuel
        He has a solid fuel starting accelerator.
    4. Grigory_45 April 12 2020 16: 15 New
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      Quote: svp67
      all solid fuel rockets, including Neptune ...

      Neptune, like the X-35, is not a solid rocket (the engine consumes aviation kerosene)
      Solid propellant in a rocket is only a starting accelerator

      In addition, it is highly unlikely that the plant is completely covered. PCP is the only enterprise in Ukraine that has equipment and technology for the utilization of solid rocket fuel
      1. Avior April 12 2020 16: 22 New
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        he wasn’t covered at all, only the order of financing was changed
        They offer to take money under state guarantees, they also want to receive directly.
    5. TermNachTer April 12 2020 17: 11 New
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      There was nothing to worry about. A prototype would remain expert. Public relations and the budget dribbling is the main thing, and what will happen then does not bother anyone, because none of them are going to live in Banderland. Almost everyone has passports from the USA, Canada, France, Germany, etc. When the banderland "goes to smash", the guys will leave their place of work and with their suitcases of bucks will leave for the warmer climes.
  2. Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 12 2020 12: 29 New
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    Refueling missiles will now be a torch.
    1. Ros 56 April 12 2020 13: 32 New
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      Well, why make people laugh, what kind of missiles, where to get them, and the burner will be made out without any missiles anyway. fellow lol
    2. Gato April 12 2020 13: 36 New
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      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      And then Natsik what to fuel? They will not fly without a burner
      1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 37 New
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        Salome that fell will cost lol
        1. Gato April 12 2020 14: 42 New
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          Salom

          I’ll say as a specialist in ... uh ... rocket science: fat is like fuel, and burner is like an oxidizer fellow And you can easily fly in airless space wassat
          1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 46 New
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            Quote: Gato
            And you can easily fly in airless space

            The main thing is that there is no collision with the ISS laughing
            1. Gato April 12 2020 15: 12 New
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              The main thing is that there is no collision with the ISS

              Well, there is enough extraterrestrial intelligence without the ISS. The worst nightmare for Natsik is not very polite green people
              1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 18 New
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                Quote: Gato
                The worst nightmare for Natsik is not very polite green people

                Aha. Crowd flies
    3. AU Ivanov. April 12 2020 14: 15 New
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      Better hemp grown. Puffed up and already in space.
      1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 38 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Puffed up and already in space.

        Or immediately on the moon laughing
    4. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 36 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      And the kit will have an acetylene burner yes
    5. Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 04 New
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      Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
      Refueling missiles will now be a torch.

      Officers told.
      Previously, some of the very first missiles were refueling including alcohol. After refueling, a lot of alcohol remained in the hoses.
      As they said officers of the Strategic Missile Forces began to drink too much laughing Alcohol urgently replaced
      And here's another story about the Air Force
      On the MiG-25, pure alcohol was used as an anti-icer. 300 liters !!!
      He was called the Flying Deli
      They say that the pilots' wives wrote a letter to the KB with a request to remove the alcohol.
      The answer was a masterpiece.
      “If the Central Committee orders, we will refuel with cognac”
      Maybe a bike, I don’t know, but I heard from techies and pilots laughing
      1. Grigory_45 April 12 2020 16: 30 New
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        On the MiG-25, pure alcohol was used as an anti-icer. 300 liters !!!

        MiG used alcohol-water mixture. And in the anti-icing system it was the least. Basically - into the cooling system - the generators cooled, a lot of alcohol was consumed by the jamming station - only about 25 liters on the MiG180RB
      2. Gato April 12 2020 17: 04 New
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        they say wives of pilots

        Grandmother told (with her grandfather they served in Shaikovka, Tu-16, 60s) that flyers disdained technical alcohol (probably from internal aristocracy laughing ), and ran for vodka to "Three Birches", so much so that the woman put up roadblocks and patrols there.
      3. Evgenijus April 12 2020 17: 49 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        As they said officers of the Strategic Missile Forces began to drink too much

        It is not true. At the first RVSN complexes (R-12 rocket) there was no time to drink. And there’s nothing to drink - there was nitric acid in the rocket and not one more poisonous liquid. Only the contacts on the cable connectors and the optics of the aiming devices were cleaned with alcohol. The chief engineer always had a canister not empty and locked. No one knew where she stood.
        1. Gato April 17 2020 15: 31 New
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          It is not true. At the first Strategic Missile Forces complexes (R-12 missile)

          At R-2, the fuel was a 92% alcohol-water mixture, and the oxidizing agent was liquid oxygen. True, this is not the Strategic Rocket Forces, but the RVGK
  3. businessv April 12 2020 12: 31 New
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    - said Shiman, adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them.
    It remains just a little bit - to become part of Russia, or just normal to cooperate with it and be respected! wink
    1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 39 New
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      Quote: businessv
      become part of Russia

      You need it.
      Or do you dream of giving the IMF debts for them?
      1. businessv April 12 2020 14: 43 New
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        You need it.

        This eastern part is independent, I don’t see anything terrible if 5-6 regions with a Russian-speaking population come under the jurisdiction of Russia. People have nothing to do with it! Moreover, in this case, the rest of the independence will be freed from minke whales faster.
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          Quote: businessv
          This is the eastern part of the independent,

          Well, they would say
  4. demo April 12 2020 12: 31 New
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    PCP is now in critical condition - since the beginning of the year we have not received funding, money has not yet been provided for us and for the implementation of the enterprise’s programs in 2020. (...) Financing of the plant was stopped, we were forced to lay off 687 people from the beginning of the year. If money does not arrive in the near future - we will release another 190
    Good.
    "A vigorous cow horn is useless."
    The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.
    1. Pete mitchell April 12 2020 12: 57 New
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      Good. The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.

      There certainly is no reason to worry about the 404s.
      I still sincerely do not understand why they are surprised? Did you jump? Did you crave lacy panties? The three-finger-thick contract with Europe was signed by ourselves, and there I think nothing was said about the development of industry - ourselves, all by ourselves
    2. Zoldat_A April 12 2020 14: 53 New
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      Quote: demo
      "A vigorous cow horn is useless."
      The neighbors themselves will be less intrusive and less worried.

      You won’t understand them - they’re about to reproduce nuclear weapons and they’ll wander around Moscow (until recently, the “lady with a scythe” on the Independence Square shouted that “Moscow should be burned with atomic weapons” (c) and here is https://topwar.ru/ 42324-ukrainskoe-yadernoe-oruzhie-zhelaniya-i-vozmozhnosti.html), then the last plants close ...
      How are you going to burn Moscow?
      1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 15: 19 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        How are you going to burn Moscow?

        "Cernikov" laughing
        1. LKW UE April 12 2020 21: 15 New
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          Sirnykami, you would have written cheesecakes, you are our ....
  5. Kot_Kuzya April 12 2020 12: 32 New
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    Right dear gallop, brothers laughing . Worse than a galloping Nazi, only a galloping Nazi with a rocket.
    1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 40 New
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      And blindfolded
  6. Non liberoid Russian April 12 2020 12: 33 New
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    forward, with a song, to the bright, future of a super-power slaves on Polish fields
    1. 4ekist April 12 2020 12: 50 New
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      You can, for example, arrange the production of pots and pans. Same thing.
      1. Nikolay Ivanov_5 April 12 2020 12: 54 New
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        Most likely the workshops will be closed and equipment will be sold for scrap.
      2. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 41 New
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        [quote = 4ekist] It is possible, for example, to arrange the production of pots and pots [/ Quote]
        Do you think the next Maidan is planned?
      3. businessv April 12 2020 14: 45 New
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        Quote: 4ekist
        arrange the release of pans and pots

        The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!
        1. Rurikovich April 12 2020 14: 50 New
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          Quote: businessv
          The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!

          In this case, the adhesive tape saves lol
        2. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: businessv
          The pan does not hold on the head, only the pots!

          Not just pots
  7. onix757 April 12 2020 12: 35 New
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    Everything is just like ours. Russia's only producer of highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide for Roscosmos, Sintez-PV, has been declared bankrupt by the court.
    In the post-Soviet space, the same people rule.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 April 12 2020 12: 50 New
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      high-concentration hydrogen peroxide for "Roskosmos" "Synthesis-PV" ........ and what is flying on it now ??? or rather, on which rocket launchers? as far as I can remember, the seven is on kerosene oxygen. and protons on heptyl-amyl, at one time I remember the first stage in the early series of air defense missiles of the S-75 complex were fueled by hydrogen peroxide .... in the process, it’s not about bankruptcy but about reprofiling
      1. Grigory_45 April 12 2020 20: 31 New
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        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide for "Roskosmos" "Synthesis-PV" ........ and what is it flying on now ???

        and the Khrunichev Center (Proton launch vehicles and booster blocks for them, the Angara launch vehicles) on the verge of bankruptcy.
        In fact, bankruptcy of an enterprise does not mean that it inappropriately ceases to exist and carry out its activities
        So, the same "Synthesis-PV", despite the fact that in December 2019 it was declared bankrupt, continues to work and produce products. Roscosmos current needs for hydrogen peroxide supplies while provided including from the side of "Synthesis-PV".

        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide for "Roskosmos" "Synthesis-PV" ........ and what is it flying on now ???

        Synthesis of PV is the only producer of PV-85 and PV-98 fuel.
        Hydrogen peroxide is used in the steering engines of Soyuz family rockets and in the engines of the Soyuz MS spacecraft descent system.
        In addition, it is planned to be used in the landing system of the Eagle spacecraft.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 April 13 2020 21: 06 New
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          Engines of the Soyuz MS spacecraft descent system .......... Yes, even I dumbed about the braking on the Unions. in the heat of celebrating the First Flight of the East and Sunrises that simply plopped up on Mother Earth, the Unions were braked in addition to the parachute by engines, but nevertheless rather than bankruptcy but a replacement of management
    2. Dart2027 April 12 2020 13: 29 New
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      Quote: onix757
      Everything is just like ours.

      So we don’t have rockets? Hmm ...
    3. Sergej1972 April 12 2020 18: 06 New
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      Many enterprises go bankrupt to transfer to Rostec or other state corporations. For example, an enterprise in Kurgan for the production of armored vehicles after bankruptcy is successfully operating. Sometimes, if private owners rock the boat too much and the company is important for the military-industrial complex, there is no other way.
  8. Mountain shooter April 12 2020 12: 36 New
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    Matches for children is not a toy ... You don’t need rockets ... Otherwise, it will fly the wrong way ...
    1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 42 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . And then it’s flying the wrong way ..

      On Banking for example lol
      1. Mountain shooter April 12 2020 16: 45 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        On Banking for example

        Well, that’s exactly - THERE !!!
        1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 17: 55 New
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          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Lipchanin
          On Banking for example

          Well, that’s exactly - THERE !!!

          A rocket is no fool wherever it goes laughing
    2. Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 22: 48 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Otherwise, it’ll fly the wrong way ...

      they don’t get used to ... in addition to the downed civilian aircraft, they once grinned "Point" in their apartment building !! request
  9. 113262a April 12 2020 12: 38 New
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    Scha brothers still help the brothers! Fuel and Belarus nonsense, also sells to the Chinese!
  10. Thrifty April 12 2020 12: 40 New
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    As an option, beg for money, or fuel from the European Union, for the needs of the “fighters” against the “Russian military hordes”! lol Perhaps, Europe and drips UK homeland -400 drops of valerian, (without salad) laughing
  11. knn54 April 12 2020 12: 45 New
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    They will go bankrupt, sell strategic and city-forming (there are still mines) enterprises. The True Ukrainians Aivaras Abromavicius and Mustafa Nayyem (also gunboats) follow the instructions of the Anglo-Saxon advisers, of whom there are plenty of Ukroboronprom.
  12. Retvizan 8 April 12 2020 12: 47 New
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    So throw a cry, let the people send SMS again!
    The ancient Ukrainian fun was supported by the army, now industry, etc., can be in a circle.)))
    1. Lipchanin April 12 2020 14: 54 New
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      etc,

      Prezikluna. The rating is falling, it is necessary to support
  13. Crimean partisan 1974 April 12 2020 12: 56 New
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    Duc why goat button accordion, it's time to fields to pshekah. all the more so no need to go far. a native of the country ....
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    The reason for the closure is the lack of funding from the state.

    Interestingly, what did they carry there before? Rocket building has long existed on the outskirts ..
    Or most likely for which country of BV and Africa?
    Well, all the lads, we take everything away to metal and drag it to the Baltic states .. laughing
  15. sanik2020 April 12 2020 12: 59 New
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    Scha brothers still help the brothers! Fuel and Belarus nonsense, also sells to the Chinese!

    In Nazism, he popped something, but he says only in Ukraine.
    1. Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 12 New
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      Do you have any idea what Nazism is?
      Nazism is a worldview that puts at the head of the world a certain nation (race or people) and advocates the use of repressive measures against the rest of humanity. The condemnation of Nazism is based on these repressive measures and on the fact that there is no way to leave the group of oppressed people. So such slogans as "America First" or "Ukraine Ponad Mustache" are quite suitable for this definition. And in the quote you quoted no, they simply clarify the realities of our time, forgive all possible options. Only all. By the way, that’s why the United States and Ukraine at the UN vote against documents condemning Nazism because they don’t want to condemn themselves.
  16. APASUS April 12 2020 13: 04 New
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    This is of course the version, but why not ............
    Why raise a revolt of patriots, you can quietly peacefully cover up one of the strategic factories and the floor of the military industrial complex will collapse. Our partners in Russia did in the 90s. They closed strategic productions under the guise of privatization, bankruptcy, corporatization and everything, there is no weapon in the country. It looks like the developed scheme of the West. And then the Poles got excited about the success of Ukraine in the production of RCC Neptune. The owner will bring everything to balance, he needs the land of Ukraine, and not the Bandera squad with missile weapons !!!
    1. Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 27 New
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      And then the Poles got excited about the success of Ukraine in the production of RCC Neptune.

      In the trial of RCC Neptune, not production.
      The owner will bring everything to balance, he needs the land of Ukraine, and not the Bandera squad with missile weapons !!!

      And not only he needs the land of Ukraine, but also Poland, Hungary, Romania, maybe Turkey that will fall, not to mention Russia. So nobody needs a strong Ukraine. It is possible that the West didn’t like hints of potential successes of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex and cut it They decided to speed up so that the client did not leave, having removed the gypsum ahead of time. Not for that he was lured into a debt hole. The client should be dependent and easily manageable.
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        maybe Turkey that will fall

        doubtful ... the maximum-a piece of Georgia !!! wassat lol
    2. Tusv April 12 2020 14: 53 New
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      cover one of the strategic plants and the floor of the military-industrial complex will collapse. Our partners did in the 90s

      Interesting version. Izit Nau VPK works, sells, but is not for sale, unlike U. VPK
  17. Tusv April 12 2020 13: 05 New
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    Well what can I say about this. The frayer's greed ruined. Ukraine tried to sell Russia the average Zenith at the price of a heavy Proton. Result Sea launch has sunk into oblivion, as well as Ukrainian rocket science. And who needs Ukrainian rocket fuel. Only Russia. Let's get more sanctions from Russia and you will ruin the country
    1. Sky strike fighter April 12 2020 13: 19 New
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      Does Russia need Ukrainian rocket fuel? I strongly doubt it. There is one.
      1. Tusv April 12 2020 13: 27 New
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        Does Russia need Ukrainian rocket fuel? I strongly doubt it. There is one.

        About that and match. The last rocket with a Ukrainian share took off six months ago. Not well, we are still utilizing Satan, with the launch of satellites. So there is a three-fold supply of fuel
    2. Avior April 12 2020 14: 28 New
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      can you give a price link?
      everywhere it says that they paid, and then changed their minds without explanation
      1. Tusv April 12 2020 14: 42 New
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        can you give a price link?

        Googel in the teeth and a feather in the ass
        everywhere it says that they paid, and then changed their minds without explanation

        Not well. We paid, I do not deny it. Only Us cookie showed the new Maidan authorities for Our money. And if a neighbor deceives you, then it’s better to pay your own. As a result, the third space power is deep in the place where parades are happening on Red Square
        1. Avior April 12 2020 15: 02 New
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          Googel in the teeth and feather in the garden

          understand you can't
          I will help you.

          As a launch vehicle, a three-stage Zenit-3SL rocket was used - a modification of the Zenit-2 launch vehicle with a DM booster. The main developer - Yuzhnoye Design Bureau (Dnipro), was produced at the Yuzhmash Dnepropetrovsk plant.

          On August 14, 2017, S7 confirmed that it would use Zenit until 2023, after which it would switch to Soyuz-5 [51] ....
          On October 3, 2017, the head of RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev told the media that at the first stage of using the cosmodrome, only Zenit will be launched from it. At the second stage, after the modernization of the cosmodrome and the appearance of the Soyuz-5 carrier, the Zenit will be abandoned [53].
          On February 13, 2018, the CEO of S7 Space Transport Systems (a subsidiary of the S7 group) Sergey Sopov told the media that the company ordered Yuzhmash to produce 12 launch vehicles until 2023 inclusive, based on the self-sustainability of the project in 3-4 launches in year. The composition of each Zenith includes an RD-171M first stage engine, a second stage combustion chamber, a control system and many other components, which are completely manufactured in Russia. In total, about 150 domestic enterprises are involved in cooperation. Their share in cost terms of the cost of the rocket is 80%. Fulfillment of the contract for 12 Zenit will bring Russian enterprises half a billion dollars [54].
          The Zenit launch vehicle for the first launch as part of the resumption of the Sea Launch project can be manufactured in 2019. The carrier was to be built by Ukraine, with the participation of Russia, and the final assembly of the rocket was planned to be carried out in the USA [55]. In March 2019, a message was received to cancel this scheme.

          could already fly .... if not ...


          The private Russian space company S7 Space has refused a contract with the Ukrainian plant Yuzhmash for the production of 12 Zenit launch vehicles. This information was confirmed to Kommersant by the co-owner of the company Natalya Fileva .....
          But the Russian authorities forbade the enterprises of Roscosmos to supply components for Zenit to the Ukrainian Yuzhmash.

          what is the reason?
          https://korrespondent.net/business/companies/4079036-rossyiskaia-kosmycheskaia-kompanyia-otkazalas-ot-ukraynskykh-raket
          Obviously, at the moment, the Russian side is unlikely to have a ready-made alternative to Zenit. True, there is Soyuz-5, but it is still unknown whether it will be suitable for Sea Launch without any modifications. This, by the way, despite the fact that S7 Space has already transferred part of the amount (approximately $ 30 million) to the Ukrainian company. So why did S7 nevertheless refuse the services of a Ukrainian enterprise?
          The reason, as usual, is political. As political scientist Oleg Ignatov reminded AT Kharkov, this was due to sanctions, in this case, Russian ones. ... It is obvious that if the Russian S7 did not comply with the sanctions, it would be a scandal, because the company is obliged to comply with the laws of its own country.

          https://nahnews.org/1009985-yuzhmash-ostalsya-bez-kontraktov-pochemu-rossiya-otkazalas-ot-ukrainskoi-rakety-nositelya
          and 150 Russian enterprises were left without earnings, and Yuzhmash received 30 million.
          hi
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            Quote: Avior
            and 150 Russian enterprises were left without earnings, and Yuzhmash received 30 million.

            I understand that apart from someone else's sheet, you have no thoughts. Thirty million of what?
            NK-33 cherished Yankees certified RD-181, the cosmodrome in Bolivia there too. Yes, I would have shot myself long ago from such creative Uzbeks. Moreover, in our space industry is far from sweet
            1. Avior April 12 2020 16: 06 New
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              thoughts arise from facts.
              And thoughts without facts are a torrent of torment.
              Thirty million of what?

              30 million

              Now do you know the facts?
              Success
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                Quote: Avior
                Now do you know the facts?

                Not that Zenith is one of the best mid-range missiles I know. Only this verbiage about 2017-18 is actually how many Zeniths could launch. But. Forgot chtol We are under the most severe Ukrainian sanctions bully
                1. Avior April 12 2020 18: 05 New
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                  like all the facts I told you
                  hi
                  1. Tusv April 12 2020 18: 14 New
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                    What are the facts? When was the last time Zenit flew into space? You have facts, it's that I scratch my left ear, so right away Putin will write me 25 years in a maximum security colony
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                      facts about your statement
                      why abandoned Zenith
  18. Viktor Sergeev April 12 2020 13: 09 New
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    Ukraine and missiles are incompatible terms. Poverty and missiles are incompatible.
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      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Ukraine and missiles are incompatible terms.

      Why so? We let go of Ukraine as a space power number three. In its entirety, Zenit, as an average missile, is one of the best. Only nafig was not needed
      1. Nikolai Grek April 12 2020 22: 59 New
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        In its entirety, Zenit, as an average missile, is one of the best. Only nafig was not needed

        there it seems like most of the components were Russian ... now they themselves can’t make a Zenith, nor can they assemble AN !!! request wassat
  19. bar
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    "Does not fit into the market" (c)
  20. Amateur April 12 2020 13: 12 New
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    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias.

    Soviet factories were not built "for the hryvnia." For hryvnia only break and close.
  21. beeper April 12 2020 13: 16 New
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    There is no sadness that the production of rockets and explosives for Bandera-Nazi punishers will cease! And rightly so, "a vigorous cow horns are contraindicated!" wink
    That’s where else billions of our taxes and monthly “military requisitions” went — not just for “cutting” with kleptochinus and “piggies” for “our own up-and-coming Shevchenko’s khatynki,” but also for the real production of rocket fuel and explosives for the massacre of our fellow rebels against the unconstitutional pro-American Maidan coup!
    Since nothing can be done about the anti-people anti-state Bandera-Nazi junta (with the help of Washington and its "pan-European" satellites, which occupied, enslaved, Ukraine and turned it into a impoverished bead-colony "Ukraine" !!!), then it’s better to let w / Bandera’s thief immensely profits, rowing for himself and eating three throats, at the expense of "smelly schemes" stealing the financing of the Armed Forces, than these labor taxes will fall on the supply of weapons and in the clutches of the "heroes" -slaughter-killers in the "ATO zone" civilians native Donbass!
  22. Andrei Nikolaevich April 12 2020 13: 17 New
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    Some kind of fuel there .. The main thing is to sell the earth. And there, though, the grass does not grow.
  23. Naughty April 12 2020 13: 21 New
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    Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5
    Refueling missiles will now be a torch.


    It’s not human, it’s not human lol . Even if the rockets are aimed at Muscovites. laughing
  24. Ravil_Asnafovich April 12 2020 13: 25 New
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    Everything would be fine, but in Pavlograd there is a lot of spent rocket fuel, which is stored in an improper manner which was supposed to be reprocessed.
    1. beeper April 12 2020 13: 42 New
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      hi Ravil_Asnafovich, funding for the reprocessing of very dumbly stored (already decades!) Highly toxic rocket fuel in Pavlograd was stopped even under the “blue thieves” Yaneka-Azarov, alas!
      And to their Maidan accomplices-narcissistic embezzlers with "multi-passports" this is all the more useless because the nedofuhrer Maidana-aerial puppet "Senya Krolik-Kulyavloba used to say in the time of the klepto" construction of the great mesh fence ":" I didn’t live in this country going "?! request
  25. tsinik April 12 2020 13: 29 New
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    What Toya did not understand is overreach or zrad.
  26. sabakina April 12 2020 13: 33 New
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    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias. We have mastered unique technologies that most countries of the world do not possess
    I am tormented by vague doubts that PCP and unique technologies appeared after 1991 ....
  27. K-50 April 12 2020 14: 21 New
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    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers.

    for starters, all this was created in the Soviet "occupation" time, with the money of taxpayers ALL over the Soviet country. Ukrainian taxpayers didn’t let the enterprise disappear earlier
    But it seems the time has come.
    As in the Russian proverb - "no matter how much the rope weights, the end will still be."
  28. CommanderDIVA April 12 2020 14: 24 New
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    A few years ago, the Americans examined this plant, possibly for their own use, but apparently in the USA they decided to liquidate the enterprise, from which, and not only from this episode, the prospect emerges that the Americans are not going to stay in this country for a long time, together with The EU will destroy all strategic sectors so that we do not take advantage of them, buy the best assets, and jump off, everything is clear and predictable
    1. Avior April 12 2020 16: 25 New
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      A few years ago, the Americans examined the plant.

      since he participated in programs for the reprocessing of decommissioned missiles and the destruction of infantry mines.
  29. Chingachguk April 12 2020 14: 27 New
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    Well, how differently !!!! ???? Dill something flying can not be trusted !!!!! May get hurt !!!!!
    1. Arthur 85 April 13 2020 08: 43 New
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      Yeah. One missile will be lost, the other will be broken.
  30. Alex Nevs April 12 2020 14: 37 New
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    And then the valtsman has the money. Mustache according to plan.
  31. Zaurbek April 12 2020 15: 21 New
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    And good. One less competitor
  32. Mavrikiy April 12 2020 15: 30 New
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    In Ukraine, funding for a rocket fuel plant ceased
    It seems proposed to find internal reserves. I'm afraid the exquisite reserves will shake Overwhelming. repeat
  33. Prjanik April 12 2020 15: 56 New
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    They directly surprised the 90s at the Ruin and did not stop.
  34. Motorist April 12 2020 17: 09 New
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    in Russia, similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them

    GIPH and I had something similar in the 90s.
  35. U-58 April 12 2020 18: 31 New
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    I somehow didn’t understand.
    If the product is in demand, then it will be bought and financing is automatic.
    Unless to be credited for running expenses.
    But if products are not needed, then who will pay money for air ???
  36. Lord of the Sith April 12 2020 18: 34 New
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    So much for the “Ukrainian” missiles, which they threatened so much and wanted to shoot on the Crimean bridge.
    What will you refuel? Kizyakom?))
    1. Gosha Smirnov April 12 2020 23: 46 New
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      salty bacon and vodka
  37. Chaldon48 April 12 2020 19: 50 New
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    God grant that this plant is anchored
  38. Old26 April 12 2020 20: 06 New
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    Quote: Evgenijus
    It is not true. At the first RVSN complexes (R-12 rocket) there was no time to drink. And there’s nothing to drink - there was nitric acid in the rocket and not one more poisonous liquid.

    Kamrad Lipchanin probably meant the R-1, R-2 and R-5 missiles. Although the phrase officers of the Strategic Missile Forces is a little inconsistent. Then the Strategic Rocket Forces were not yet ...
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    On surely a joke, they will not allow to stop if he is the only one.
  40. Peter is not the first April 12 2020 22: 00 New
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    Close, blow up all buildings, and level the site for the Park of Friendship and Peace!
  41. cat Rusich April 12 2020 22: 22 New
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    In Ukraine, even a GOLD mine will go bankrupt - not on the topic, but in essence.
  42. Gosha Smirnov April 12 2020 23: 45 New
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    Well, uh ... we need a factory where even they don’t even paint
  43. Maks1995 April 12 2020 23: 54 New
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    Oh, holos.
    The fat has already disappeared, the burner too, chernozem 3 times minimum, now they have reached rocket fuel .....
  44. Butchcassidy April 13 2020 00: 09 New
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    And thank God that closes. Pick up the specialists for yourself, and there will be less “grenade” for the “Kiev monkey”!
  45. aszzz888 April 13 2020 01: 59 New
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    According to the director of PCP Lionid Shiman, the shutdown of the enterprise will mean the shutdown of the entire missile industry, in particular the production of Alder missiles.
    Let the toilet paper produce. if they can. laughing laughing laughing
  46. Dog
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    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers.

    The company was founded in 1929. At the expense of Ukrainian tax payers, there could be worked out the technologies of embezzlement there, the rest is our heritage, the rights to which the modern state of Ukraine for me, for example, are not at all obvious.
  47. Dzafdet April 13 2020 08: 38 New
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    The surname is significant for the director. In general, it’s better to gouge it with Caliber, the Jews won’t bomb anything in Syria right away. And we need to ...
  48. Arthur 85 April 13 2020 08: 41 New
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    And thank God. Take away a grenade from Svidomo.
    1. Rusfaner April 13 2020 18: 33 New
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      What are you, what are you!
      Let it play!
      And, this ... straighten the antennae, otherwise the hour is uneven, they will catch on ...
  49. ZaharoFF April 13 2020 13: 56 New
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    adding that in Russia similar plants operate at full capacity and no one is going to stop them

    How could it be that the neighbor’s cow didn’t die. And here he slipped. They cannot live without us.
  50. ZaharoFF April 13 2020 14: 02 New
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    Over the years, all these technologies have been created at the expense of Ukrainian taxpayers, which is many billions of hryvnias.

    These technologies were made for conscientious rubles. For the Ukrainian hryvnia - the fence was painted in a yellow-black color a couple of times.