Military Review

Russia, it's time to become Asia

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The Russian Far East has long been viewed by many as being abandoned by Moscow and forever cut off from the rest of the country. The numerous statements of the federal authorities that the Far East is also Russia, as well as the visits of Dmitry Medvedev to the islands disputed by Japan, do not change the general state of affairs. In September, the Far East will become a place where the leaders of the leading APR countries will gather at the APEC summit. We will talk with the deputy director of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences for Development, a member of the expert council of the Agency for Strategic Initiatives Peter Schedrovitsky, about whether this will somehow change the situation with the eastern Russian outskirts.

Ytro: Pyotr Georgievich, the attention of politicians and economists has been riveted to the Far East over the past six months. The possible creation of a state corporation for the development of these territories was actively discussed, then a ministry was created. The upcoming APEC summit on Russky Island underlines the importance of this region for Russia. What, in your opinion, are the prospects for the development of Russian Far Eastern territories?

Pyotr Shchedrovitsky: The first thing that needs to be clearly understood today is that the Russian Far East is subject to the influence of the macroprocess — the process of industrialization and urbanization in Asia, which is central to the entire modern world and is at its peak.

Two key centers of economic activity - Europe and the USA - are currently in a downturn. Growth is only in Asia. Consequently, the time has come for Russia to seriously pursue its eastern territories in order to use the potential of the rapidly growing Asia-Pacific region for its own development.

Asia today is in fact a new Mediterranean: a huge population density, high rates of economic growth, constant economic exchange. There is a primary and secondary industrialization, the creation of modern infrastructures and a new quality of life, and in connection with this fantastic consumption growth in this macro-region, which begins literally beyond the nearest border of the Primorsky Territory. This process sets the main challenge to what can and should occur in the Russian Far East.

"Y": So what's the difficulty? It would seem that Russia's integration into the APR is predetermined by the course of events?

P.SCH .: The main difficulty is that we are mainly included in the European integration system. And since this has been the case for centuries, in the Siberian and Far Eastern territories there are neither people, nor traffic flows, nor normal participation in the Asia-Pacific system of division of labor.

Due to various circumstances - late development relative to other regions of Russia, remoteness from the center, low level of settlement and the absence of large cities - the pace of development of the Far East lags behind both the average Russian and desired from the point of view of compliance with the scale of the processes occurring in the Asia-Pacific region.

"Y": Why are such promising territories ignored for centuries?

P.Sh .: I do not agree. The question of their development and Asian reorientation in stories Russia is not the first time. He first stood up in 1798, when the United American Company was established in Irkutsk, acting with 1799 under the protection of His Imperial Majesty's patronage. But her story was unsuccessful, and from past acquisitions in this region of Russia by the middle of the XIX century. actually had to refuse. The sale of Alaska at 1867 was a natural outcome. Even then it became clear: the size of the territory should correspond to the management capabilities.

The second time the question arose seriously in the late XIX - early XX century. Focusing on the forecasts of the best minds about fast growth in Asia, the Russian Empire has again begun to take certain steps towards integration into this region. Just with the foundation of Vladivostok in 1860, we finally reached the Pacific Ocean systematically. Began intensive agricultural and commercial development. And at the beginning of the 20th century, during the Stolypin reforms, Transsib was created and almost four million people moved there from Central Russia.

The third opportunity to develop the Siberian and Far Eastern lands arose for the Soviet Union after the Second World War, at the time of industrial industrialization. I think that if at that time we were able to reach an agreement with China and use the Chinese market for the industrialization of Eastern Siberia and the Far East, we would have a completely different situation in this region today.

“Y”: Today we have another opportunity to master it?

P.SCH .: If the development model will meet the challenges of time, and will not be a repetition of the Soviet protracted construction, then surely yes. If we build the infrastructural and industrial solutions that will use the most modern approaches, we have a chance to smooth out the problems associated with the small number of people, for example. It is possible to create fully robotized enterprises in this region. But for this it is necessary to have projects of these industries, for them to build an education system, a distribution system. The raw material development trend is used as a resource base for solving development problems. To create there the most modern environmental planning system, so that the quality of life is high, the most modern agriculture, which would be controlled from space and have high productivity, the most modern residential sector of the most modern materials. That is to turn this region into a springboard for the realization of the most advanced achievements in the field of technology and management.

“Y”: What, in your opinion, is the specificity of the city of Vladivostok itself?

P.SCH .: Let's remember that Vladivostok was founded in July of 1860, that is, quite recently by historical standards. The city is located so that from it many world centers are located closer than from Moscow: San Francisco, Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing. Vladivostok in the center of the APR is a favorable geographical position. The city was originally created as a military settlement and at the same time as a port. But its military functions were never seriously used, but the port was implemented through the ideology of "Porto-Franco", which existed for about half a century, until the tenth years of the 20th century. For fifty years, the city has passed such a path of development, which many old Russian cities have been passing for centuries. And by the beginning of the century was already a powerful center of attraction for all kinds of commercial and industrial activity.

“Y”: Who was the main population, was and is?

P.SCH .: We need to understand that from the very beginning Vladivostok was a multicultural, multi-national city. It actively settled foreign experts and traders: both Americans and Germans. Many streets and houses still bear the imprint of this first trade development. Quite a lot there settled Chinese. And, for example, the trade in water or sea kale was monopolized by them. Russian merchants actively developed the fur trade, trade with America and with the underdeveloped - then still - countries of the Asia-Pacific region.

"Y": And the military?

P.SCH .: And the military were. But let me remind you that, in fact, the military status of Vladivostok has never been used. At the same time, since the population was multicultural and multinational, and from Russia a rather active stratum, oriented towards entrepreneurship, was going there, the city was booming. The level of self-government and self-organization was much higher than in the whole country.

In addition, the Far East was not bound by the fetters of the traditional Russian peasant community, for example. Agriculture was mainly of a commodity nature: these were large farms that developed practically along the American path, if you recall Lenin, that is, through the creation of a farm.

"Y": Has that human capital been preserved?

P.SCH .: In general, yes. Indeed, over the years, the most active people rode out of the traditional social fetters, which at one time or another characterized Central Russia, drove to this region.

"Y": What are the strengths of Vladivostok can be noted today?

It continues to be prone to multiculturalism, like any city that was a platform for mixing diversity and a meeting point for different cultures, types of activities, ways of life. That is, it is one of the few cities in the country — perhaps partly close to St. Petersburg — in which such a possibility exists. And diversity inevitably generates innovation, one way or another: technological, social, political, organizational, cultural.

"Y": And this diversity, apparently, will help to integrate into the concept of working with the ATP?

P.SCH .: Of course! Because even then, at the dawn of the heyday of the city, representatives of the diasporas of key countries represented in this region lived in it. And today this connection is. Walking through the streets of Vladivostok, you will see a lot of non-Russian people, whose number is increasing year by year. And it is right. In New York, Hong Kong or Singapore, you also meet representatives of very many nationalities. Vladivostok is the same city as a “mixer”, a city in which a combination of different cultures takes place, generating innovation.

“Y”: In your opinion, what should you rely on today at the next stage of the development of the eastern territories?

P.SCH .: I think you will agree that any kind of activity requires some spatial organization. We need one or another infrastructure, a communication system, a mobility system, and one or another density of interaction, taking into account the type of activity. Therefore, it is most reasonable, in my opinion, to rely on clusters. The cluster phenomenon is directly related to the indicator that we need to increase for the successful development of these lands - with the density of activity in the territory.

The essence of the cluster is very simple: the efficiency of economic activity depends on its density. If three people live on the territory, the maintenance of the infrastructure for these three people - transport, medicine, schools, electricity - will be prohibitively expensive. Therefore, if the activity density in the territory is low, then the effectiveness for each participant is also low. And if the activity density is high and there are more participants, the infrastructure costs are the same, but they are divided between a large number of users, and for each it becomes more profitable.

If we managed to collect such a high density on the same territory, then we created a cluster. Clusters are of different types. Linear production, which were created in the XIX - early XX century: butts are put redistribution of the same production process. The efficiency of each increases, and the costs decrease.

"Y": For example?

P.SCH .: For example, if you cultivate a forest, then you have a research institute that is engaged in the breeding of modern types of forest, there is an agriculture, there is a felling of this forest, there is processing for some specific production. And it is also desirable that there be an educational institute for training specialists in this field and, for example, some kind of furniture or paper design. Here you have assembled a linear cluster.

And there are clusters that are built on the transfer of knowledge and competencies from one area to another. Not one line, but several, and between them different transitions. The so-called cluster synergy arises: technological solutions obtained in one area unexpectedly give effect in other areas. These are modern clusters that use the effect of the knowledge economy.

"Y": What kind of clusters does the Far East need?

P.SCH .: It is not yet known what type will take root in our Far Eastern territories. There are lots of nuances. Since Russia is traditionally late, many niches are already occupied: the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Australians are doing a lot. Your niche must be sought. It is necessary that the analytical and research center, which will directly solve this problem, work purposefully.

And, of course, we need highly qualified personnel. If we want to create a modern economic infrastructure in the developed areas, then the requirements for people should be up-to-date, in all areas.

“Y”: Let's summarize: how do you see the development of our Far Eastern territories?

P.SCH .: I think that the most correct decision is to create conditions for two different types of development of these lands. On the one hand - to strengthen urban centers, create a modern urban environment. To do this, we have Vladivostok and Khabarovsk in the Far East. On the other hand - to create conditions for the local economy, focused on supporting ecological agriculture, small house-building, maintenance, tourism and recreation. Well, and most importantly: use the energy of the growing Asian region, gradually integrate into it.

"Y": Is the APEC Summit here to help?

P.SCH .: Certainly. The fact that the APEC summit arrives in the Far East, which, among other things, formulates today's agenda for this macro-region, is a very serious step forward in the integration process.

The questions that will be submitted to the panel discussions, in my opinion, are extremely relevant to the media and intellectuals of Vladivostok. I once wrote that a world power is one that "holds the world on its hands," that is, it answers world problems. Therefore, Russia has the opportunity to discuss world problems in Vladivostok and participate in solving them. But these problems need to be made our own: we should not say "we" and "they", otherwise there will be no interaction. Integration into the Asia-Pacific region begins with an integration into the agenda. A picture of the world and priorities should be shared.
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  1. valokordin
    valokordin 28 July 2012 06: 21
    +8
    The Far East needs to be settled at the expense of the Russian population, to provide money for children, i.e. large families, to provide people with housing and work, and not to suck out money, like capitalists, looters.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 28 July 2012 06: 46
      +9
      Either going out every day to the streets of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, I see clouds of the "Russian" population, usually from Kyrgyztonom .... less often from other people.
      In order for the Far East to develop normally, the gorlopov from the government should not deal with proclamations, but invest money in the region.
      And what kind of development of the region is it to say if the cost of new housing is from 70000 rubles per square meter and this is not elite housing, but ordinary housing for the masses ... it’s scary to even say more or less elite ... and so on.
      1. Trofimov174
        Trofimov174 28 July 2012 07: 34
        -2
        The most dated regions of Russia are Siberian and Far Eastern (yes, we feed the Caucasus less). In terms of per capita subsidies, the Far East is generally among the leaders among all regions.
        1. bachast
          bachast 28 July 2012 07: 37
          +1
          "subsidized"
        2. Set
          Set 28 July 2012 15: 08
          +2
          You feed us from your pocket.
        3. skiff-xnumx
          skiff-xnumx 28 July 2012 18: 30
          +5
          I myself realized that I froze. Or your brain dermocrotizing agents have already been washed with the goal of separating Siberia from the Russian Federation. In Siberia, the subsidized region is only the Republic of Buryatia. And such regions as the Krasnoyarsk Territory, the Irkutsk and Novosibirsk Regions, with their powerful hydro and tenot energy, mining and processing industries, not only feed themselves but also send quite a lot of money to Moscow. Ask at least for an example where Su-brand aircraft are assembled.
          1. Trofimov174
            Trofimov174 1 August 2012 07: 59
            0
            Please
            http://www.online812.ru/mm/items/2011/11/2/0001/20.jpg
      2. lotus04
        lotus04 28 July 2012 15: 08
        +2
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        In order for the Far East to develop normally, the gorlopov from the government should not deal with proclamations, but invest money in the region.


        Shchazz! They will invest!
    2. Shuhrat turani
      Shuhrat turani 28 July 2012 14: 36
      -5
      Quote: valokordin
      The Far East needs to be settled at the expense of the Russian population, to provide money for children, i.e. large families, to provide people with housing and work, and not to suck out money, like capitalists, looters.

      how are you going to do this? on what means? The project price will be simply astronomical ... It’s easier to lease all the territories east of the Urals, and concentrate the entire Russian population in the European part of modern Russia ... This will achieve a normal population density in at least some part of Russia, and it will be possible to use the proceeds to build a mono-ethnic strong Russian state without any national minorities and other non-Russian ...
      1. Nikopol
        Nikopol 28 July 2012 16: 35
        +2
        Well, thank you ... you say "" It's easier to lease all the territories east of the Urals. "Of course, who will feed and water you Westerners - oil / gas - Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug. Gold - Magadan Region, nickel and other colors. meta - Taimyr Autonomous Okrug, for example (Norilsk is talking about something) .Diamonds-polished diamonds - Republic of Sakha (Yakutia). My advice to you is - learn geography ... Russia's GDP is still driven by resources, not goods.).
        1. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 28 July 2012 21: 06
          +3
          Nikopol
          Do not forget, in Russia, GDP is still held by resources, not goods
          .
          I agree with everything, but what about the resource economy, fortunately, this is no longer the case: in 2011 there were 19%
        2. Shuhrat turani
          Shuhrat turani 29 July 2012 01: 50
          0
          Quote: Nikopol
          My advice to you is to study geography.


          I know you no worse ... I live in Siberia ... and I'm not a Westerner, do not insult me ​​with this word ...
          1. Nikopol
            Nikopol 29 July 2012 02: 30
            +1
            There was no trace of insulting. With geography, it may be good for you, but think not very logically ... moreover, living in Siberia. Those. Do you agree if you and your city will be given to some Chinese people for rent, and Moscow and Co. will earn money on you, as slaves? Today in Siberia it is not cold, but you managed to freeze something.
            1. Shuhrat turani
              Shuhrat turani 30 July 2012 02: 27
              0
              Quote: Nikopol
              but think not very logically ... moreover, living in Siberia. Those. do you agree if you and your city will be rented to some Chinese people


              Well, I don’t bother about myself ... The main thing is that the titular nation flourishes, and we (the national minorities) somehow live by quiet glanders on the outskirts of history
      2. skiff-xnumx
        skiff-xnumx 28 July 2012 18: 32
        +2
        Brains washed by dermocratizers. Definitely minus
      3. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 28 July 2012 19: 04
        +4
        Quote: Shuhrat Turani
        how are you going to do this? on what means? The project price will be simply astronomical ... It’s easier to lease all the territories east of the Urals, and concentrate the entire Russian population in the European part of modern Russia ... This will achieve a normal population density in at least some part of Russia, and it will be possible to use the proceeds to build a mono-ethnic strong Russian state without any national minorities and other non-Russian ...

        Well straight dreams forin office and the State Department laughing bigger and thicker on the collar and not the kemsku parish!
        1. skiff-xnumx
          skiff-xnumx 28 July 2012 19: 16
          +1
          Briefly and unambiguously to the point +
    3. Slayer
      Slayer 28 July 2012 22: 16
      +1
      In general, in all normal camps, the capital is closer to the center of the country - this is how the economic balance between all regions is maintained, on the contrary, the farther east the worse things are. So that all the regions develop equally, the capital needs to be moved to Novosibirsk or Krasnoyarsk ... well, and the enemy, in which case, until everything comes to Solitsa, everything will curseXDDD
  2. Dmitriy69
    Dmitriy69 28 July 2012 06: 31
    +5
    I think the only way to resolve issues regarding the equipment of the Far East is to reverse the demographic situation in the region, without which no money will help. Otherwise, the Chinese and other Japanese (joke) will still squeeze it with a quiet glanders
    1. bachast
      bachast 28 July 2012 07: 11
      +1
      Already questions about the Far East?
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 28 July 2012 09: 55
      +2
      Does someone stop you from doing this? Ride and lift in person! Or should the second-rate go to the Far East?
  3. itr
    itr 28 July 2012 06: 37
    +3
    And what if Russia completely changed the course and direction Turn to face Asia and not Europe. And then somehow Russia considers itself a European country and Europe us Asia. Over the past 200 years, we have fought only with Japan and China, and almost all over Europe. Well, they don’t want to live with us all like that through the ass. Send everyone to hell and say yes we are Asians. I think that the gentlemen's opinion will change dramatically
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 28 July 2012 10: 21
      +8
      Quote: itr
      Turn to face Asia and not Europe.

      And what to spin? We are forever, from time immemorial in two directions at the ready ...
      1. bereg
        bereg 28 July 2012 12: 58
        +1
        Kaa,
        it is the coat of arms of a new Russia, on the old coat of arms George beats a snake looking the other way
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 28 July 2012 14: 43
          -1
          Quote: bereg

          bereg

          Where is the side of the world?
      2. lotus04
        lotus04 28 July 2012 15: 10
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        And what to spin? We are forever, from time immemorial in two directions at the ready ...


        That's for sure, on two sides! For gas and oil.
  4. Magadan
    Magadan 28 July 2012 07: 11
    +13
    Personally, I still have the same request to our officials: Gentlemen, just do not bother to work. No need to help us with anything, just stupidly do not bother. Example: fish workshops. Please do not hammer your snout in the workshops of ordinary small businessmen. None of them are going to poison anyone. These people are not enemies to themselves. There are product analyzes, judging by them and judging whether the fish are made qualitatively or not. And your washings from the walls and instructions once again to change the tile / metal (because you need to stupidly check the boxes in your statements) will not give anything but a rise in price of products! Who prevents to spit on the wall when you leave after your check? And if you check the Russian workshops, then check the Vietnamese! And then it’s wonderful - you beat us with checks + analyzes, but only with analyzes !!!! Discrimination of the Russian producer. Whatever you say! Better go to schools and kindergartens, where's the mess! So there the bureaucrats saw the loot, allocated for repairs, so you are silent! And work off your checkmarks on simple fish farmers!
    The Far East is full of wealth and we do not need any help !!! Let them just stupidly cut bureaucrats and do not interfere !!!
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 28 July 2012 09: 51
      +6
      Yeah, overclocked.
      How much do you have to unfasten after each such check?
      Surely they are carried out .. more often than it should, right?
      You, then, get rich, weld ... and the bureaucrat for the salary will work?
      ...
      How true is everything.
      No need to help - do not interfere, the main thing. From your (their) help to the noose hunt.
      Transparent law, transparent taxes - rigorous enforcement.
      And all business.
  5. serge
    serge 28 July 2012 07: 42
    +5
    It takes thirty years to stop taking taxes from Russian enterprises in the Far East. Then it will begin to develop by leaps and bounds. And it will not be necessary to subsidize the region.
  6. volcano
    volcano 28 July 2012 08: 32
    +1
    In principle, in short, then 2 factors.
    1. People
    2. production
  7. Igarr
    Igarr 28 July 2012 08: 52
    +8
    The article, in principle, is good.
    Only I really do not like such things - ".. The city is located in such a way that many world centers are closer from it than from Moscow: San Francisco, Tokyo, Seoul, Beijing."

    As long as we .. having rasped the slurp, we will cling to the "... world centers .." - we will continue to be fat and wretched.
    ..
    Russia is self-sufficient!
    On yuh did not give up ... all sorts there .. centers. Worldwide.
    ...
    Let guests welcome us without fear.
    But, if someone comes to us with a sword ...
    ..
    What has I said.?
    Evil takes such expert academicians ... world centers.
    And so we are, on the side ... we hid ourselves.
    ..
    While we will not respect ourselves .. and bear high - no one will reckon with us.
  8. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 28 July 2012 09: 53
    +3
    Everyone is talking about some kind of integration!
    Of course, thoughts on self-isolation of the country from the outside world should not even enter into my head, but why should one define second roles in advance? Integration into Europe - drive raw materials to the West? Does Russia need it? And integration into the East - now drive raw materials to the East? And is that necessary? What is the honor for Russia to serve someone as a raw materials appendage?
    We mine ourselves, but is all the processing somewhere abroad? How many years have been told about this, that it is necessary to change the situation, and things are still there, even more deeply bogged down in the margins of history ...
    1. Nikopol
      Nikopol 28 July 2012 16: 40
      +1
      It is considered expensive to build processing plants - therefore, it is easier to buy the same Italian furniture made of Russian taiga wood. Or buy fur coats from Russian mink. The logic is iron ... and most importantly, no one wants (it DOES NOT WANT) to change this. One thing is interesting to me - when oil / gas runs out - what will they sell?
  9. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 July 2012 10: 44
    +9
    Russia does not need to become Asia, nor imitate Europe. Russia needs to remain Russia and advance its own interests. Both domestically and abroad ...
    Naturally, it is necessary to adopt the experience of others. But just to adopt, and not stupidly copy. And it is necessary to cooperate both with Asian countries and with European countries (as well as with American and others), but not try to try on their image and lifestyle ...
    Ideally, Russia should become and be a center, a crossroads, a bridge between Europe and Asia (sorry for a battered cliche), but with all this, it should remain by itself - Russia ...
  10. Barrel
    Barrel 28 July 2012 10: 49
    +1
    Beautiful bridge. Your?)
    1. mechanic33
      mechanic33 28 July 2012 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: Barrel
      Beautiful bridge. Your?)


      Navy bridge to the Russian island. This year, the Russian will host the summit of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC).
  11. Evil Tatar
    Evil Tatar 28 July 2012 11: 15
    +4
    Quote: serge
    It takes thirty years to stop taking taxes from Russian enterprises in the Far East. Then it will begin to develop by leaps and bounds. And it will not be necessary to subsidize the region.

    It happened historically that we Far East already live here ...
    But it’s worth remembering how and with what kind of lifting migrants our great-great-grandfathers came here in the 18th century ...
    They arrived almost millionaires ...
    Yes, at first they lived in dugouts, but then villages, villages, towns, cities appeared, and at that time the Chinese were surprised that how quickly cities grew ...
    In addition to immigrants, a huge part of the population is made up of descendants of convicts, exiled and repressed Soviet citizens - in fact, the color of nations from many nationalities of Russia and the USSR ... Therefore, the number of beautiful people and humanly educated people here is more than anywhere else in Russia ...
    No offense to anyone, but already in the late 70s, the old Georgian said that the real Russian people (in the sense of character and spirit), remained only Siberia and the Far East ...

    In general, Zhirinovsky, as always, is right when talking about a special regime of taxes and incentives (subsidies, gratuitous loans for housing, direct payments, and other preferences), with which it is necessary to cheer up not only the indigenous Far East who have settled for more than a century, but also those who will go live "for a long ruble" and for other reasons ...
    And although life in the Far East is not easy, nature is beautiful, but harsh, I personally will not go to the Krasnodar Territory - I will not run away from my native Far Eastern Territory ...
    After all, if anyone does not know, then I’ll open the secret - the Far East, is rapidly moving to the Krasnodar Territory ... Do you think they are running?
    Нет!
    It's just that it will be easier to recruit them from there for the war - future heroes move ............. Gee-gee ... the emoticon does not climb again.
  12. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 28 July 2012 11: 20
    0
    It is necessary to work out a clear and logical strategy for the country's development, where there will be an interconnection between the development of territories: agriculture, industry, especially processing, education, science, and the armed forces. Without this, the country will develop "by typing", i.e. there will be no development. After all, Russia has EVERYTHING: human potential, scientific, industrial, albeit greatly curtailed. Example: South Korea in general after 2 MV was on the verge of starvation, although it was an agricultural country, but thanks to President Park Chung Hee, South Korea is now what it is.
  13. Yankuz
    Yankuz 28 July 2012 11: 26
    +1
    Finally they began to realize! And what was that? I’ve lived in Primorye with my parents for 15 years - I liked everything - I learned there in Vladik, and served the army. And when in 1992. in a strange mess began - and in Primorye the first strange countries began to close, then there was simply nowhere to go - they left from there to the European part of our vast country. I'm still sorry. And now I would love to return to Vladik, but how? Who needs me there? Where to live? Where to work? Who will help? Apartments there are in Moscow! In general, I’ll grow old while something stirs there and in reality people will be able to move there.
  14. black cat
    black cat 28 July 2012 14: 14
    -3
    Quote: Chicot 1
    Russia does not need to become Asia, nor imitate Europe. Russia needs to remain Russia and advance its own interests. Both domestically and abroad ...
    Naturally, it is necessary to adopt the experience of others. But just to adopt, and not stupidly copy. And it is necessary to cooperate both with Asian countries and with European countries (as well as with American and others), but not try to try on their image and lifestyle ...

    An example of this is Australia.
    But the Pu government is unable to decide on the creation of gambling zones for casinos, and you say the development of the Far East. The President of Russia needs a normal one. A patriot not in words, but in deeds.
    1. smile
      smile 28 July 2012 14: 26
      +3
      black cat
      And what does the dubious undertaking with game zones have to do with it? Here we have in the Kaliningrad region, there was still no horse lying around (although new roads were built) - and thank God! Judging by the results of the polls, practically the entire population of the region is against it. A rare example of unanimity in spite of political sympathies. Or do you want to spit on Pu again because you even blame him for not building a hotbed of crime and criminal business? You can criticize him for a lot, but you have to praise him for that!
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 28 July 2012 14: 57
      +2
      An example ... why - did not understand?
      Yes, and .. your examples are dubious .. ".. the government" Pu "is not able to decide to create gambling zones for casinos .."
      That's it! ..... this is where all the problems ended - game zones are more important.
      decide where to play - ..VVP Russia trample up, just hold on.
      So what?

      Australia, unknown southern land.
      Do we know a lot about her?
      Besides kenguryatina, supplied in the 199s?
      Other than a great swimmer team?
      Except, quite a few original movie actors?
      ...
      Because we don’t know that Australia lives for itself .. and it doesn’t blow in the mustache
      Is there life on Mars? Is there?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 28 July 2012 23: 41
        +1
        Quote: Igarr
        that Australia lives for itself.

        And also in it "indigenous people were beaten and humiliated" angry And finally, for the majority it is as distant and incomprehensible as Mars. By the way, in many Hollywood "loch quests" in the future on Mars, as before in Australia, the marginal is floated ...
  15. black cat
    black cat 28 July 2012 14: 53
    -3
    Quote: smile
    And what does the dubious undertaking with game zones have to do with it?

    If it is doubtful for you, and you are probably not an expert in the gaming business, then for the government, the failure of this undertaking should be all the more obvious.
    The bottom line is that the government, headed by the President, constantly offers unworked ideas, does not monitor their implementation, does not bring to mind and ultimately forgets about them.
    Quote: smile
    Do you even blame him for the fact that they are not building a hotbed of crime and criminal business?

    That is, if you let everything take its course, as it happens all the time at "Pu", then it is a hotbed of crime and the criminal business.
    And if everything is brought to mind we get Las Vegas. One of the safest places in the USA. And the owner of one of the "Horse Shoe" casinos, Lonnie Theodore "Ted" Binion, lost his license due to his questionable lifestyle.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 28 July 2012 15: 07
      +3
      And figs with him, with Banyan .. Ted.
      The fact that we do not bring anything to the end - and so we know.
      Then what?
    2. smile
      smile 28 July 2012 16: 21
      +1
      black cat
      Well, really, I need you to explain that order in such places is brought in after decades (like in Las Vegas), or do you think that we simply have to be a couple of orders better than Americans and nothing like what the American mafia did there for our crime will arrange? Strange, never once did you notice any patriotism ..... in general!
      I am not an expert in the gaming business, but I am an expert in a different field .... so to speak, legal, and for quite some time. The fact that certain structures lobbied for these gambling zones is not surprising. After all, we will be perfectly occupied with how the initial capital was earned from the liberals and reformers .... in all cases, it would be strange if they would lose sight of such a Klondike as a gambling business ..... to you - then why? Do you really think that this is a priority for the development of Russia ..... Miracles!
    3. Don
      Don 31 July 2012 14: 09
      -2
      Quote: gatto nero
      One of the safest places in the USA

      laughing Really. For your information, until the beginning of the 90s, almost all casinos in Las Vegas were controlled by the mafia. The crime rate in Las Vegas is still high. As in almost any city where gambling is allowed.
      http://www.best-casinos.ru/laws/11.html
  16. black cat
    black cat 28 July 2012 15: 13
    -4
    Quote: Igarr

    And figs with him, with Banyan .. Ted.
    The fact that we do not bring anything to the end - and so we know.
    Then what?

    You know and do nothing. Well, a patriot am Keep clapping Putin. angry
    Let others fight against the Kremlin’s parasites.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 28 July 2012 17: 00
      +1
      You ate me ..
      I'll go ... dig out.
      To have time .. to dig .. until they tie.
    2. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 28 July 2012 21: 21
      +2
      black cat
      Let others fight against the Kremlin’s parasites.

      Indicate your place of service and we will fight against you, parasite
      I am satisfied with Putin because if a pro-Western politician comes to power, then instead of strengthening the country, which Putin is doing, this new "alternative" will quickly pull apart Russia apart. And the dream of a unified state will remain a dream.
  17. Nikopol
    Nikopol 28 July 2012 16: 49
    -1
    From all that I read, I made a simple conclusion - many still believe MedvePut’s policies. The Far East, without good money in the hands of the immigrants, cannot be raised - I am 100% sure of this. And the summary - if they will sleep for another 10 years, the Chinese will populate, and then - calmly grab themselves these territories. (by that time they will be the titular population, not Russian - given their fecundity).
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 28 July 2012 18: 36
    +3
    Far East cannot be lifted without mass construction. And the distribution of housing by residency and qualification of nationality. Families with 2-3 children give housing at all for free. To increase part of the official housing, people will go from trade to enterprises. For guests from the southern republics, in the event of a boom with China, are just as famously torn away from here as they arrived.
  19. vadim58
    vadim58 28 July 2012 20: 12
    0
    All benefits and financing to the Far East!
  20. moskal
    moskal 29 July 2012 00: 22
    0
    We Russians always move forward, and everything else flies off like a husk!