Monument without a mask, officials without a face


Coronavirus is a coronavirus, and Russophobia is scheduled. So you can characterize the behavior of people who gave the order to dismantle the monument to Soviet Marshal Ivan Stepanovich Konev in Prague. To the very hero who, being the commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front, liberated this city from fascism.


Vandalism


In almost all European countries, including the Czech Republic, there are not so many reasons to be on the street and they are connected with extreme necessity. Some felt that it was at this moment that it was necessary to do not something worthwhile, but to commit a frank act of vandalism. Yes, on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Prague operation and the Great Victory.

Moreover, the narrow-minded officials even hid behind the situation around the coronavirus. So, Ondřej Kolář, the head of the Prague-6 district, where the memorial stood, cynically declared on his blog that, supposedly, Marshal Konev was without a mask, and the rules are the same for everyone - anyone on the street should wear a mask. Such a peculiar exercise in wit.

But the point is not even in Mr. Kolarge’s primitive humor, but in the fact that, due to the current situation, no one had the right to defend the monument. So the moment for the black deed was chosen very well.

This same Ondrej Kolarge is a longtime opponent of the legendary marshal and his memory. It was he who initiated the fact that in August 2018 a “supplement” appeared on the monument. Namely - a tablet stating that Konev suppressed the "uprising" in Hungary in 1956, and also carried out some kind of "information intelligence" before the suppression of the "Prague Spring" in 1968. As a matter of fact, it was on the anniversary of the last event that the Czech bureaucrats timed the installation of this cynical tablet. The pretext was pulled over the ears to connect Konev’s name with the “Prague Spring” and justify the black ingratitude to the liberator.

In addition, the monument was repeatedly subjected to acts of vandalism. In particular, he was doused with red paint. Kolarge even then tried to poke fun: they say, "Konev is red again." Local authorities refused to bring the memorial to a normal state. But there were honest people for whom historical memory is not an empty phrase. They cleaned the monument from paint on their own.

The public proposed to declare the sculpture, created by Zdenek Krybus and Vratislav Ruzhichka and installed on May 9, 1980, a cultural heritage, but the authorities opposed this as well.

It should be noted that the Czech president, a sober and pragmatic politician Milos Zeman, who absolutely does not need to spoil relations with Russia, opposed the demolition of the monument. Unfortunately, he has too little authority and authority to stop this bacchanalia.

The battle for the defeated monument


After the crime was committed on April 3, a diplomatic “struggle for the body of Patroclus” began between Russia and the Czech Republic. But the principles of nobility, which operated even in ancient times, are now forgotten by the Czech side.

The daughter of the Soviet commander Natalya wants her father’s sculpture to be handed over to Russia and installed on Konev Street in the capital (since it cannot stand in its rightful place). Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu supports the transfer of the monument to Moscow. He wrote the corresponding appeal to the Czech Defense Ministry.

But Russia received a negative answer. The Czech Ministry of Defense washed their hands: they say this monument is not a military burial and belongs to the Prague-6 district. Thus, his fate is controlled by local authorities.

Shoigu suggested that the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation institute criminal proceedings on the fact of the demolition of the memorial, which was done. In response, the Czech Foreign Ministry protested.

According to the Czech Foreign Ministry, the dismantling of the monument to Marshal does not contradict the agreement between the two countries on friendship and cooperation. In addition, the Czech Foreign Ministry believes that the graves of Soviet soldiers are "properly" contained in the country. Is this blackmail? Hint that if Russia continues to insist on its own, then these graves could be in danger?

The vandal officials have their own views on the defeated statue of the Soviet Marshal. They intend to put her in a museum in the memory of the XX century. It is easy to guess that they will provide some kind of humiliating signature.

It turns out that an important decision, capable of seriously affecting relations between Moscow and Prague, was made by some petty elder Ondřej Kolář? And the government can't do anything? It is impossible to believe that in a normal state such an issue is resolved at such a low level.

Perhaps Russia will have leverage so that the monument will nevertheless be transferred to Moscow and take its rightful place. One thing is clear: the name of Ivan Stepanovich Konev as one of the winners of fascism is already immortal. And those who made the decision to dismantle the monument will remain officials without a face and a name. And it’s difficult for the country to save face in a situation where black ingratitude is being performed before the eyes of the whole world right before the anniversary of the Victory. And this is much more serious than the absence of a medical mask during coronavirus time.
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  1. Thrifty April 13 2020 05: 06 New
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    Europe swept a wave of stupidity! Totally decided to rewrite history so that in it the Soviet period was completely non-negative! At the same time, they began to fight with the monuments! It’s just very, very bad that on our part, in response to all sorts of meanness against Russia, we hear only slurred muttering! So we will not achieve anything! Here you need to use the experience of influencing your opponent like the usa-hard and rude, but as practice shows, it’s very effective! Until we talk with the “European people” as they deserve it, that is, roughly, and holding the special forces division as an argument, we will be ignored! It is time for the authorities to recall that it imitates the defense of Russia's interests and begin to defend these very interests since the opponent deserves it.
    1. depressant April 13 2020 05: 53 New
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      Having betrayed their country, Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the entire socialist camp. The heavy burden of their betrayal we carry on our shoulders so far, we are paying for it. All good is forgotten, all bad is remembered. And if there was no bad, then good turns into evil and is reproached to us. Generations of those who remember the truth are leaving. Having surrendered our positions, we armed the enemy against ourselves. And not only in their own country, but around the world.
      Having sold the socialist idea for 30 pieces of silver, Gorbachev and Yeltsin disposed of the country as property, depriving each of us of the right to it. And now our heroes are kicked by any insignificance like the Collage. Kicking for the fact that we were released, helped. Kicking for our nobility. Believing that by this his own apparent insignificance will turn into valor, and the lie will become true.
      1. Basil50 April 13 2020 06: 45 New
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        There, in Europe, everything goes according to the scenario of the revival * of the Reich *.
        Understand that neither the Czechs nor their masters can ever forgive the collapse of the Nazis. They thought up everything so well, prepared so well, built concentration camps, planned how many people would be destroyed, and to them in the Muzzle .................
        The mimicry of Europeans knows no limit. The Germans and their lackeys did nothing and was not shy, even sent photos of their own villains to their close ones, and after 1945 they became democrats at once and already judge other countries and peoples for * non-observance of democracies *.
      2. aybolyt678 April 13 2020 08: 20 New
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        The article refers to the monument as vandalism! But what is the name of our Government’s attitude towards Stalin? How does Solzhenitsyn, the Yeltsin Center .... ??? Some kind of swan cancer and pike.
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      3. prior April 13 2020 12: 16 New
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        But to leave unpunished the demolition of monuments to our soldiers and military commanders, is this not a betrayal of the current government?
        If for me, I would have driven Czech diplomats from Russia to the border on foot, with kicks ...
      4. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 24 New
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        Quote: depressant
        Having betrayed their country, Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the entire socialist camp.

        it’s just a continuation of Lenin’s betrayals, no more ... request
        Quote: depressant
        All good is forgotten, all bad is remembered.

        or maybe it was not necessary to forget in the USSR the atrocities of the Czechs in the GV in Russia? otherwise they decided that they can do anything ... request
    2. Olgovich April 13 2020 07: 19 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      we won’t achieve anything! Here you need to use the experience of influencing your opponent like the usa-hard and rude, but as practice shows, it’s very effective!

      necessary, I agree.
      but how practically?

      here. by the way too without mask worth:

      monument to Czech sewing in St. Petersburg
      1. 72jora72 April 13 2020 07: 26 New
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        monument to Czech sewing in St. Petersburg
        to the present Czech Republic, Schweik has nothing to do with anyone.
      2. Serwid April 13 2020 07: 30 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        monument to Czech sewing in St. Petersburg

        You should have mentioned monuments to Czech legionnaires. Or is it sacred to you?
        1. Olgovich April 13 2020 08: 36 New
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          Quote: Serwid
          You better be Monuments to Czech legionnaires mentioned.

          1. I graves I don’t mention the monuments.
          lover to frolic on those?

          A strange reaction to .... photo of the monument ... belay


          2. It would be better to give advice to myself- less reason to be sent. hi
        2. knn54 April 13 2020 09: 19 New
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          The monuments in the cemeteries should not be touched, but the monuments to the whites should be exchanged for a monument to Konev.
      3. DMB 75 April 13 2020 07: 38 New
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        Yes, let Schweik stand, but in Chelyab, what is the memorial to a whole squirrel with?

        And they shot the whites. And burned. And hung.
        "We left August 16 late Saturday night, and Koshelyovo was surrounded by dawn on Sunday. The rebels tried to resist, then Rose ordered me to shoot a cannon on the eastern outskirts of the village. The rebels were scared, they handed over their weapons, two or three were shot by a field court, when the witnesses admitted that they destroyed the bridge.The leader (he was a miller and a wealthy man) was taken to Talmenka, where he was shot the next day.
        Something became our prey: two beautiful horses ... They gave me one, and the weaker one gave them to the infantrymen, and they sent her to the wife of the commander of the 5th regiment. They also gave me a good samovar for the excellent shooting at Koshelevo. ”
        .
        What memorials are there to them, what an absurdity?
        1. svp67 April 13 2020 08: 53 New
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          Quote: DMB 75
          Yes, let Schweik stand, but in Chelyab, what is the memorial to a whole squirrel with?

          In Yekaterinburg, a similar one stands at the Mikhailovsky cemetery,

          Established by the Embassy of the Czech Republic
          1. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 26 New
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            Quote: svp67
            at the Mikhailovsky cemetery

            Do you want to fight with the graves? maybe it’s better to put a poster with a description of the “exploits” of these warriors nearby?
        2. Serwid April 13 2020 09: 27 New
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          Quote: DMB 75
          What memorials are there to them, what an absurdity?

          So this is now sacred. Vaughn Olegovich, the first thing he remembered was not these memorials, but Schweik.
          1. rich April 13 2020 23: 33 New
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            Vaughn Olegovich, the first thing he remembered was not these memorials, but Schweik.

            Not nearly surprised. Well-educated and decent people do not fight with burials.
        3. Octopus April 13 2020 12: 28 New
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          Quote: DMB 75
          And they shot the whites. And burned. And hung.

          And they handed over Kolchak in red, if I don’t confuse anything.

          Soviet power loved traitors. Or are you against the Soviet government?
          1. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 27 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            Soviet power loved traitors.

            these traitors several times - first AB, where they took the oath, then Russia, etc. That is why in 1938 they did not fight against Hitler ... request
        4. Popov I.P. April 13 2020 21: 57 New
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          But this is a work of monumental art, it seems, is not in the cemetery, what should he do in the city? Installing it from the population of the city and the district, someone asked? To hold a referendum among the local population and, on its basis, make a decision by the local authorities on the inadmissibility of finding a monument to murderers and robbers in the city for moral and ethical reasons. In the best case scenario, to be transferred to the cemetery at the expense of the Czech side, if there are graves of Czech legionnaires, in case of refusal - to carefully dismantle, pack and send to Prague, maybe they will come in handy. And at this place to erect a monument to their victims. The memory of 4 thousand Czech killers and robbers from among Czech legionaries who came to Russia to conquer it as part of the Austro-Hungarian army, and then quickly went over to the Entente’s side, and 160 thousand Soviet soldiers who sacrificed their lives for the liberation of Czechoslovakia, cannot be put on a single board. from fascism.
          1. Octopus April 13 2020 23: 23 New
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            Excuse me, are you trolling?
            Quote: Popov I.P.
            this is a work of monumental art that seems to be not in the cemetery, what should he do in the city?

            Are you talking about the monument to Konev? He is not buried at all in Czechoslovakia.
            Quote: Popov I.P.
            Installing it from the population of the city and the district, someone asked?

            No, in 1980, when it was installed, the Soviet government was not interested in this.
            Quote: Popov I.P.
            local authorities on the inadmissibility of finding a monument to murderers and robbers in the city for moral and ethical reasons.

            This is the Czechs who say, choosing somewhat more polite formulations.
            Quote: Popov I.P.
            dismantle, pack and send to Prague, maybe they will come in handy.

            You have exaggerated ideas about local authorities. They don’t have much free money, even in the Czech Republic, not to mention Chelyabinsk.
            Quote: Popov I.P.
            Cannot be placed on the same board.

            You are right, you can’t. The Czechoslovak competition did not stay in Russia for 45 years.
      4. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 25 New
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        Quote: Olgovich
        Czech

        literary hero .... bully he is a real Czech!
    3. Varyag_0711 April 13 2020 09: 36 New
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      Thrifty
      Europe swept a wave of stupidity! Totally decided to rewrite history so that in it the Soviet period was completely non-negative! At the same time, they began to fight with the monuments! That's just very, very bad that on our part, in response to all sorts of villainy against Russia, you hear only slurred mumble!
      You are a little mistaken, it was not Europe that began to struggle with memory, we let them do it. And not only allowed, but they themselves led this struggle. We ourselves began to struggle with the memory of the Great Patriotic War, that we excluded the name of Stalin from the lists of winners. We began to rewrite history, first of all in our cinema, removing such movie slag as: penal battalion, bastards, stronghold, stalingrad, rzhev, tanks, indestructible and other things, we were tired of listing all that rubbish that our geniuses had learned from the cinema.
      This we rewrite history bashfully masking the Mausoleum on May 9, we destroy it by hanging Mannerheim’s boards, erecting monuments to Krasnov, walking with the icon of the bloody Nicholas in the Immortal Regiment, and so on. There are plenty of examples, to cite everything; this is a separate article. This we rewrite it thanks to our guarantor who publicly repented for Katyn, for Stalin, for the Soviet past. This we will cross out the name of the SOVIET soldier of the winner, replacing him with different nationalities.
      So do not blame the Czechs, we must start with ourselves. Until we ourselves regain the memory of the REAL heroes of Victory, nothing in the world will change. We can at least a thousand times prescribe in the Constitution the inviolability of the memory of the Second World War, but this is an empty zilch, a lot of bullshit for the gullible. Memory, it is not in the Constitution, it is in the brains, and the brains of our modern government are worse than those of any Pole or Czech.
      So you need to start with yourself!
      1. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 30 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        We ourselves began to fight the memory of the Second World War

        1) seriously? maybe 30 years after the war, by 1975, all the dead were buried? Or are the culprits of the defeats 41-42g named? hi
        2) we can recall the betrayal of the fighters of 1MV in the USSR ...
    4. iouris April 13 2020 11: 11 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Europe swept a wave of stupidity!

      There is another version about "stupidity."
      "Europe" makes the invisible visible. Invisible are meanings. On the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War with Hitler’s European Reich (gained under the red banner - a symbol), through “some Czechs” Jesuit (formally this is a level of self-government that is not part of the government system, and Kozhugetovich addresses the Czech Defense Minister , a NATO member state) Europe, the modern Reich (led by Merkel), unequivocally reminds the “Russia of democratic choice” (the symbol is “tricolor”) about its defeat (“geopolitical catastrophe of the XNUMXth century”). In addition, the idea that Prague and, in general, Czechoslovakia was liberated by the Vlasovites (the “tricolor") and the Czechs themselves is being thrown in. To overcome the consequences of this catastrophe, it is first necessary to recognize defeat (“broken armies study well”), return meanings and symbols, start hard work (if it’s not too late).
      1. Octopus April 13 2020 12: 31 New
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        Quote: iouris
        Europe, the modern Reich (led by Merkel),

        The idea of ​​a secret conspiracy of Merkel, secretly villainous through the Rzhepory municipal council with the aim of humiliating the Red Banner, is very elegant, thanks.
        1. iouris April 13 2020 12: 40 New
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          Figasebe. This is called: "Hit harder - I'm in the tank!"
  2. DMB 75 April 13 2020 05: 20 New
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    This is the height of meanness and cynicism in anticipation of our Victory. Assaults on Soviet war memorials in Poland, the transfer of the Bronze Soldier in Tallinn and the dismantling of the Konev monument are their desire to hook Russia: to hurt, insult, humiliate, provoke, and proudly demonstrate once again the position " we’re not brothers to you. "Well, not brothers, so don’t brothers, go through the woods. Especially the Czechs, these hardworking Nazism-executed Nazis executed Fucik never found out that his compatriots whom he called for sabotage continued military production for the needs of Germany until May 5, 1945. Hitler was already dead, they had already raised the red flag over Berlin, and Czech workers continued to collect weapons for the Reich. It was a disgrace to the Czechs and a monument to be taken home, where not a single creature could reach him from Europe.
    1. Mikhail Tynda April 13 2020 06: 32 New
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      "Too long and well, we know each other.
      Too much connects us to hide my thoughts from you.
      The war is lost, I know that. It is not just lost, Europe is defeated.
      But can you imagine what will happen tomorrow?
      Unhappy Germany, she is accused of all mortal sins.
      The German people will be the culprit of everything.
      Thousands of books will be written, thousands of ridiculous documents will be found, hundreds of memories will come up.
      And we, I and Germany, will appear before the world as unparalleled fiends of the human race,
      like fiends of hell.
      And we just found the courage to realize what Europe dreamed of.
      We said: once you think about it, let's finally do it!
      It’s like a surgical operation, at first it hurts, but then the body recovers.

      Have we not fulfilled the hidden dream of every European citizen?
      Wasn’t that the reason for all our victories?

      After all, everyone knew that what they were afraid to tell even to their wives, we announced clearly and openly, as befits a courageous and whole people.

      They always did not like Jews.
      All their lives they were afraid of this gloomy gloomy country in the east, this centaur, wild and alien Europe, Russia.

      I said: just let's solve these two problems, solve them once and for all
      Did we come up with something new? No.
      We simply clarified those issues in which all of Europe wanted clarity - that’s all. "
      Aloysych's monologue from the movie "White" Tiger "In my opinion, everything is very clearly stated. And we are still surprised. All of Europe wanted what happened. All! And the Czechs as well.
      1. Octopus April 13 2020 12: 49 New
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        Quote: Mikhail Tynda
        Aloysych's monologue from the movie "White" Tiger "In my opinion, everything is very clearly stated.

        Yes, it’s very clear. Clearly with Mr. Shakhnazarov, author of this text. But under the Soviet regime, he was not so, which is typical.
    2. bandabas April 13 2020 06: 33 New
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      That's for sure. Not only did they surrender their country in the 38th, having a rather large army, they continued to work hard for the benefit of the Reich until the end of the war.
      1. serg.shishkov2015 April 13 2020 09: 25 New
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        Correctly! Already wrote a couple of days ago, as someone pulled his arm to look at Baryatinsky's book * Hitler's Slavic armor * - all names, passwords, appearances! Deals * Czech brothers * with giblets!
    3. unaha April 13 2020 08: 03 New
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      Do not wait for gratitude from one no longer existing state to another, the same nonexistent. The attitude to the monuments to our people abroad is a matter of interstate agreements and if they are not regulated, this is a flaw in the relevant structures. And if adjusted, but not respected ... That, too, is their own flaw).
      In general, it is worthwhile first of all to pay attention to the collapsing monuments in your country. Then perhaps others will be more attentive to those on their territory.
    4. iouris April 13 2020 16: 21 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      and take the monument to your homeland

      This is the property of the municipality. Not for this he was demolished to send "home."
      Homeland. Do you know what flag the Vlasovites fought under?
  3. 7,62h54 April 13 2020 05: 53 New
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    Unfortunately, the Russian Federation does not have any effective levers, and it is not foreseen with such a toothless foreign policy.
    1. elenagromova April 13 2020 06: 00 New
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      Well done, not only Czech officials without a face
      1. Octopus April 13 2020 13: 39 New
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        Quote: elenagromova
        not only Czech officials without a face

        What is this without a face?

        https://www.praha6.cz/starosta
        1. Liam April 13 2020 13: 44 New
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          Explicit foshist. You can shoot without trial
          1. Octopus April 13 2020 13: 46 New
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            Supporter of Marshal Foch.
  4. Andrei Nikolaevich April 13 2020 06: 10 New
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    We had less to babysit with the "brothers" all sorts of "little brothers" and "fraternal parties." Then I would not have to be upset.
  5. Mytholog April 13 2020 06: 12 New
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    Our "partners in the political process" have the sweetest practice of seizing, exporting to the US territory and demonstrative trial of those objectionable under American laws.
    If the key person of all this swine is known - Ondrej Kolarzh - is it time to take advantage of the "best international practices"?
    We’ll send one or two to the felling, - you look, and the rest of the pigs will quiet down.
    1. elenagromova April 13 2020 06: 27 New
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      It is not that key, it is just active and media, "illuminated." Which, of course, does not relieve him of responsibility. The idea of ​​a show trial of this type is good.
    2. Octopus April 13 2020 13: 02 New
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      Quote: Mytholog
      If the key person of all this swine is known - Ondřej Kolář

      You see, Russia has so many enemies among Czech municipal deputies that it is no wonder to get confused.

      The previous outrageous act of Russophobia, the installation of a monument to the liberators of Prague from the ROA, was squeezed by another municipality, Prague-13, Pavel Novotny. Then, Ms. Zakharova with Mr. Lavrov, I remember, also waged a holy war with Mr. Novotny, depicting the saying "The dog barks - the caravan is coming" by the Foreign Ministry of the semi-superpower. The monument (or rather, like a commemorative plaque) ROA, by the way, installed.

      And the idea of ​​abducting municipal officials from the EU and NATO countries is a good, rich idea. I am completely in favor. It’s time for the EU to break off diplomatic relations with Russia and refuse to recognize passports. And then shtirlitsa roam in budenovki as at home, one shame. Not a new cold war, but some big top.
      1. ser56 April 13 2020 20: 31 New
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        Quote: Octopus
        installation of a monument to the liberators of Prague from the ROA,

        for them they are liberators - they helped in the fight against the Germans ... request
        1. Octopus April 13 2020 22: 59 New
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          Quote: ser56
          for them they are liberators - they helped in the fight against the Germans ...

          This is true, but for me personally it does not matter. They can even set Heydrich, who was killed by an English backstage, if they consider it necessary.

          They are at home.
          1. ser56 April 14 2020 13: 46 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            Can at least Heydrich, killed by an English backstage

            1) be afraid, this is not Russophobia ... hi
            2) are you against the action of the British? saboteurs - well done! They killed the reptile! So Kuznetsov did in Rivne ... request
            1. Octopus April 14 2020 15: 19 New
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              Quote: ser56
              be afraid, this is not Russophobia

              You see. Municipal authorities are not required to think about international politics.
              Quote: ser56
              Are you against the action of the British?

              Of course. It was pointless in terms of the outcome of the war and led to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. See Lidice. The task of any means of war is not to kill one bad person more, but to kill at least one good person less.
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                Quote: Octopus
                Конечно.

                in these coordinates, the attacks of Kuznetsov, like other partisans, are meaningless - the Nazis took and shot hostages ...
                Quote: Octopus
                It was pointless in terms of the outcome of the war and led to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people.

                are mistaken! The Germans were provoked by repression, this slightly undermined their rear in the Czech Republic! As for the Czechs - the British are right - people are dying everywhere, and these are full of weapons ... request
                Quote: Octopus
                . The task of any means of war is not to kill one bad person more, but to kill at least one good person less.

                you are an idealist ... hi The task of war is victory! And that means strengthening yourself and weakening the enemy! By any means ... carpet bombing or nuclear weapons request
                1. Octopus April 14 2020 15: 55 New
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                  Quote: ser56
                  in these coordinates the attacks of Kuznetsov, like other partisans, are meaningless

                  Subversive operations behind the front line are then useful and to the extent that they impede communications and link the enemy units to guard the rear. Operation with Heydrich did not have no sense from this point of view. I do not believe in “psychological impact”. In old Russia, the Social Revolutionaries of such Heydrichs laid down a battalion, to no avail.
                  Quote: ser56
                  are mistaken! The Germans were provoked by repression, this slightly undermined their rear in the Czech Republic!

                  Then the authors of this idea themselves should be shot. Operations, the purpose of which, even intermediate, is the destruction of civilians is a war crime. It is a pity that we have to explain this.
                  Quote: ser56
                  you are an idealist ...

                  Without an understanding of good and evil, it is very easy to slip into the realpolitik set forth by you with executions of women and children.
                  Quote: ser56
                  The task of war is victory!

                  The task of war is a world that is better or worse than the pre-war. Try to find a rational rating scale in which Belgium lost in WWII and the USSR won. One is, but I will not prompt.
                  Quote: ser56
                  By any means ... carpet bombing or nuclear weapons

                  AB has brought great benefits and great harm. Harris’s activities are only harmful.
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                    Quote: Octopus
                    Subversive operations behind the front line are useful then and to the extent

                    I wrote about Kuznetsov - find the differences in his attacks from the actions of the British in essence ...
                    Quote: Octopus
                    I do not believe in "psychological impact"

                    this is your problem, no more ... request and to show that the invaders are not omnipotent - is not enough ....
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                    In old Russia, the Social Revolutionaries of such Heydrichs laid down a battalion, to no avail.

                    I’m sorry, there’s a mess in your head - how can one compare terrorist acts against power with those against invaders? request I note that the actions of the Socialist-Revolutionaries demoralized power in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1905-07 and saved the decisive actions of Stolypin ...
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                    Without an understanding of good and evil, it is very easy to slip into the realpolitik set forth by you with executions of women and children.

                    demagoguery - consider a bomb strike on a railway station - some of the bombs will fall on residential quarters ... request about YBCH and say nothing ...

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                    The task of war is a world that is better or worse than the pre-war.

                    you picked up phrases, but did not understand them ... request Victory is primary, and sometimes they go to war without real chances - Japan at 41g, Germany at 41, etc.
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                      I wrote about Kuznetsov

                      Yes.
                      Useful only in intelligence. Individual terror does not work.
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                      and to show that the invaders are not omnipotent - is not enough ....

                      To show that Britain is the enemy of the Czech Republic, and Benes is a traitor to its people, is not enough.
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                      how can terrorist acts against power be compared with those against invaders?

                      But the occupiers - is not power, or what?
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                      demoralized power in the Republic of Ingushetia in 1905-07,

                      1905-1907 is not a completely individual terror, it seems to me.
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                      demagoguery - consider a bomb strike on a railway station - some of the bombs will fall on residential quarters ...

                      This distinguishes air offensive from dehousing. Spaats from Harris.

                      Yes, it differs in the categories of good and evil.
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                      YBCh and say nothing ...

                      YAB is a separate story. The man who is responsible for all the victims of CiN was called Edward Reilly Stettinius Jr., 48th Secretary of State.
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                      Victory is primary, and sometimes they go to war without real chances - Japan at 41g, Germany at 41, etc.

                      Now tell me in which perverted reality Hitler in the 41st (42 43 44 45) is right, and Petten in the 40th is not.
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                        Individual terror does not work.

                        he has a context - I wrote above - anti-propaganda ...
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                        to show that Britain is an enemy of the Czech Republic,

                        vice versa - the Czechs work for the enemy - let them think ....
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                        But the occupiers - is not power, or what?

                        methods in war and in peacetime are different ... hi
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                        it’s not a completely individual terror,

                        sort of talked about essays ...
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                        Yes, it differs in the categories of good and evil.
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                        believe it ... wink

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                        The person who is responsible

                        why not Einstein? Without it, the project would not have started ... request
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                        Now tell me in which perverted reality Hitler in the 41st (42 43 44 45) is right, and Petten in the 40th is not.

                        Trite - grief for the vanquished .... hi
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                        he has a context - I wrote above - anti-propaganda ...

                        I don’t know much about the work of anti-German propaganda in Bohemia in '42. You can say I don’t know at all. And without it, terror is just terror.
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                        vice versa - the Czechs work for the enemy - let them think ....

                        Yes Yes. I seem to have used the expression "war crime" already?
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                        methods in war and in peacetime are different ...

                        In war, such methods are still much less effective. Initially, the authorities are more prepared for victims and retaliatory terror.

                        You, as I understand it, think that it was worth a couple of shot villages to replace Heydrich on the Dalug. I do not agree with this.
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                        sort of talked about essays ...

                        Exactly. I do not agree. that the company of individual terror, all these bloody Cossack robbers, led to the first Russian revolution.
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                        why not Einstein?

                        Because negotiating surrender is the duty of the State Department, not Einstein.
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                        Trite - grief for the vanquished ....

                        And who got more grief for his people, the pissing Petten or the principled Hitler?
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                        Yes Yes. I seem to have used the expression "war crime" already?

                        your terminology is bad - a war crime is shooting hostages! Killing enemy generals is valor! And a good propaganda cue effect ... wink
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                        You, as I understand it, think that it was worth a couple of shot villages to replace Heydrich on the Dalug.

                        1) yes, for a variety of reasons ..
                        2) Just an analogy - Zoya Kosmodermyanskaya burned the houses of peasants in winter, so that the Germans did not live there - they spat on the inhabitants .... request
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                        I disagree with that.

                        your problems...
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                        I do not agree. that the company of individual terror, all these bloody Cossack robbers, led to the first Russian revolution.

                        and who said that? It was a Social Revolutionary tactic! And the policy of power led to the revolution .... request
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                        to negotiate surrender is the duty of the State Department

                        you have a strange logic ... request diplomats go after the military ...
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                        you have bad terminology

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                        are mistaken! The Germans were provoked by repression, this slightly undermined their rear in the Czech Republic!

                        Then the authors of this idea themselves should be shot. Operations, the purpose of which, even intermediate, is the destruction of civilians is a war crime

                        The definition of the term war crime is given in part 2 of article 8 of the Rome Statute (Charter) of the International Criminal Court,
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                        deliberate attack, when it is known that such an attack will cause the accidental death or injury of civilians or damage to civilian objects or extensive, long-term and serious damage to the environment, which will be clearly incommensurable with the concrete and directly expected general military superiority;


                        Not to mention the formal part of the question (applying the 98th year document to WWII events), it is important to understand the essence that I have already stated.
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                        The task of any means of war is not to kill one bad person more, but to kill at least one good person less.

                        If a certain action allowed, and even more had an indirect goal, as you declare, the destruction of the civilian population, it requires a distinct military effect of a comparable scale (such as, for example, the destruction of a hydroelectric dam). Which can be translated, albeit speculatively, to save the lives of their soldiers or their non-combatants or non-combatants of the enemy.. Well-known speculations about the justification of ChiN meet this condition, Harris's ideas answered would, if would night bombing was stopped as soon as information appeared that they were not working.

                        In the case of Heydrich, I do not see this effect in the least.

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                        I disagree with that.

                        your problems...

                        Regarding the exchange of Heydrich on Delugh? You are mistaken, these are not my problems. As you can see, they didn’t shoot me.
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                        Yes, for a variety of reasons ..

                        It would be worthwhile to briefly indicate them
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                        Just an analogy - Zoya Kosmodermyanskaya burned the houses of peasants in winter, so that the Germans did not live there - they spat on the inhabitants ....

                        Yes, you have found the right analogy. Although I do not advise writing her last name in a similar way, no matter how you relate to her.

                        Therefore, the guerrilla war of the USSR against its population is still waiting for a historical assessment. Is it good that Alexander Nikolaevich Shelepin died in his bed in 1994? No, this is not good at all, it is very bad

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                        and who said that? It was a Social Revolutionary tactic!

                        I do not think that the tactics of the combat organization of the Social Revolutionaries were correct and justified.

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                        you have a strange logic ... diplomats go after the military ...

                        No. The military can lose the war, but peace always makes politics. In the worst case, the military, who have to engage in politics, because those to whom this is supposed to be ex officio betrayed their country.

                        If would the Japanese were given the conditions of occupation that MacArthur actually implemented, and even more so the option that they taxied by the 60s, the surrender could would pass without ChiN. Yes, even in the 44th it was already possible. Unfortunately, Corden Hull, who received the real bastard patent, the Nobel Peace Prize, and then Stettinius, preferred to catch his small personal gesheft in the ocean of blood. This applies to both Europe and Asia. The role of these figures, as well as Harris or Shelepin, is still waiting for its assessment and will wait, apparently, for a very long time. Hands with good faces obviously will not reach soon.

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                        VIL is also the same - because of the Brest peace?

                        Some strange analogies. The goal of the VIL was to destroy his country (to the ground, and then etc.) ("then" it turned out peculiar), he did everything right in this coordinate system, Petten's task is to save what could be saved, he is not everything He did the right thing, he did a lot of things badly and criminally badly. But then the saints who judged him later were not worth a hair from his mustache.

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                        By what criterion do you compare

                        In a straight line. Petten surrendered the country, the Yugoslavs organized a guerrilla war, turning into a civil war. Who was right?
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                        Yugoslavs

                        Before organizing a guerrilla war (the real scale of which is greatly exaggerated in runet), the Yugoslavs as an army and state surrendered in a couple of days without any resistance, even a formal one. Danish version. Unlike the French
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                        the Yugoslavs as an army and state surrendered in a couple of days without any resistance, even formal

                        It is a god with them. I'm interested in a moral assessment of the actions of colaborants

                        For example, this

                        In comparison, I do not know with Zoya Anatolyevna, so as not to go far.

                        We will deal with Zoya Anatolyevna - maybe Vasily Trofimovich Voronyansky, for example, can get the conversation going.
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                        For example, this

                        What interests you overseas? better deal with our Vlasovites and heavis ... request
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                    it is important to understand the essence that I have already stated.

                    do you have a fit of demagoguery? all these beautiful articles do not work, and the means of punishing the objectionable - see Serbian generals ... request Someone from the USA punished for Iraq / Afghanistan?
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                    In the case of Heydrich, I do not see this effect in the least.

                    It's your problems...
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                    It would be worthwhile to briefly indicate them

                    total destruction war ...
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                    Although I do not advise writing her last name in a similar way, no matter how you relate to her.

                    a typo ... the girl is just a pity, but those who sent her are not humans ... the British set up strangers ...
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                    Therefore, the guerrilla war of the USSR against its population is still waiting for a historical assessment.

                    I recommend the memoirs of the famous saboteur Starikov - he wrote everything ... request
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                    I do not think that the tactics of the combat organization of the Social Revolutionaries were correct and justified.

                    it is not essential since story... hi
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                    The military can lose the war, but peace always makes politics

                    commonplace ...
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                    If the conditions of occupation were brought to the Japanese,

                    you are an idealist .... were kamikaze and samurai ...
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                    But then the saints who judged him later were not worth a hair from his mustache.

                    absolutely agree.. hi the analogy with the VIL on the situation is the conclusion of peace after a military defeat ...
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                    Who was right?

                    there is no one criterion - you can compare it with the occupation of Denmark - the Slavs are subhuman to them, and the Franks are just an adversary ...
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                    our Vlasovites and heavis ...

                    These are interconnected things.
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                    Someone from the USA punished for Iraq / Afghanistan?

                    Some kind of strange argument. I understand you correctly that if no one is punished for a crime, then this ceases to be a problem? How do you feel about the late Dr. Mengele and his activities?
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                    total destruction war ...

                    So I say this. The war of England and Benes, who had crossed over to it, for the total annihilation of the Czech people. I do not see anything good in this.
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                    nonhumans ... the British set up strangers ...

                    Does this excuse them?
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                    memoirs of the famous saboteur Starikov - he wrote everything ...

                    At the level of memoirs, anything happens. I'll look at your leisure.
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                    it is not essential since story

                    This is significant, since theory and practice, unsuccessful and successful attempts to overthrow the autocracy are, let's say, very interesting for young people and not only him a section of Russian history.
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                    commonplace ...

                    I am always for the truth.
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                    there were kamikaze and samurai ...

                    It is as much as you like. But they did not make decisions.
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                    the analogy with the VIL on the situation is the conclusion of peace after a military defeat ...

                    VIL had fundamentally different tasks, so the analogy is unsuccessful.
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                    can you compare with the occupation of Denmark

                    Already compared.
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                    Slavs are subhuman to them

                    The subhuman Andrei Grigoryevich Shkuro, SS gruppenfuhrer, could tell more about this if it was interesting to someone.
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                    These are interconnected things.

                    no, we have this echo of HS, they have this community of the peoples of Europe ...
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                    what if no one is punished for a crime, then this ceases to be a problem? How do you feel about the late Dr. Mengele and his activities?

                    1) It’s stupid to make a picnic out of war - people kill people there, therefore war is criminal, not the methods of war ... but the victors punish request
                    2) in any way, this is the lyrics - the number of his victims against the background of those killed in the KTsL is ridiculous - it’s not his fault, but the ideas that put him in the head request What is better than ours that starved exiled fists on the island?
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                    The war of England and Benes, who had crossed over to it, for the total annihilation of the Czech people. I do not see anything good in this.

                    Why are you on the side of the Czechs that armed the Nazis? The British are right - they transferred the answer to them ...
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                    Does this excuse them?

                    Do they need it?
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                    At the level of memoirs, anything happens.

                    not at all - his memoirs are, in my opinion, the first honest analysis of errors in the partisan movement in the Second World War ...
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                    It is essential

                    nobody teaches history and does not learn from it - this is an axiom ... request
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                    But they did not make decisions.

                    authorities are far from free in decisions ...
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                    The subhuman Andrei Grigoryevich Shkuro, SS gruppenfuhrer, could tell more about this if it was interesting to someone.

                    exceptions confirm the rules - Germans and Jews were officers in the Wehrmacht ... request
                    as for Shkuro, he transferred his grievances against the Bolsheviks to the Russian people - and became a traitor ... Denikin was able to share the variables and rest in his native land ... hi
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                    What is better than ours that starved exiled fists on the island?

                    And you, I see, also for the truth? It’s rare to see here.
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                    there people kill people, therefore war is criminal, not the methods of war ... but the victors punish

                    You are mixing two questions. A crime does not imply a priori punishment, but this does not mean that the story with Heydrich with which we began was the right thing to do. Especially from the point of view of the Czechs themselves, with whom we began this rather long excursion.
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                    Why are you on the side of the Czechs that armed the Nazis?

                    I am on the side of any non-combatants. Including German. This is the only way to get away from personally accusing me of everything that my native country is doing now at the hands of its official and unofficial persons. Limited liability concept if you want.
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                    first honest analysis of errors in the partisan movement in WWII

                    It is possible I did not look. My phrase was not a criticism of these memoirs, I wrote to the fact that in the "averaged" version of history the partisan movement is not yet particularly covered. Somewhere in the background of the people's struggle, with Ivan Susanin and Denis Davydov.
                    But the topic is terrible.
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                    not learning is an axiom

                    it's not the same for everybody
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                    authorities are far from free in decisions ...


                    Nobody seems to be rushing to bite anyone with their teeth.
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                    as for Shkuro, he transferred his grievances against the Bolsheviks to the Russian people - and became a traitor ... Denikin was able to share the variables and rest in his native land ...

                    Typically, the Germans did not shoot either subhuman, although they had the opportunity. So for all the features of Nazism, blame everything on racial theory should not. Again, (post) Soviet science is not particularly eager to clarify this, while liberalists and revisionists are mostly entertained by hype, like the sensational poll about Leningrad.
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                    And you, I see, also for the truth? It’s rare to see here.

                    and what's the point of living in a lie?
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                    Especially from the point of view of the Czechs themselves,

                    everyone has their own truth, but they made weapons with which the enemy was armed - this is our truth ...
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                    from personally accusing me of everything that my native country is doing now

                    1) does not help ... request I will share the fate of my homeland ... soldier
                    2) Russia does nothing supernatural - everyone sins ... repeat
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                    Limited liability concept if you want.

                    stupid from any point of view ....
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                    But the topic is terrible.

                    no worse than other WWII questions ... I appreciate Mikhalkov that he tried to remove the taboo in the Citadel ... hi
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                    It seems that nobody rushes to bite anyone with teeth.

                    no need to vulgarize ... Japan had its own revolution in the 19th century, with all that it implies ....
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                    and another subhuman Germans

                    you have an inflammation of stupidity? bully Denikin was almost the head of Russia and the tsar general ...
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                    pour everything on racial theory should not

                    she is for the masses ...
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                    what's the point of living in a lie?

                    Mr. Medinsky seems to be saying something about a unique cultural code. And something else about the extra chromosome.
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                    but they made weapons with which the enemy was armed - this is our truth ...

                    How interesting. And to the USSR, an hour, do you have any questions of this plan? Especially if you look at the situation from an English point of view?
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                    I will share the fate of my homeland

                    Not a fact.
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                    all sin ...

                    But not everyone does it right on the street.
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                    stupid from any point of view ....

                    You see. Quite a lot of people find your concept of collective guilt stupid (and, excuse me, criminal). Including the blame of the peacekeeper, who was shot in Lidice as a result of the English provocation, allegedly responsible for the Skoda workers producing weapons for the Eastern Front.
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                    Japan had its own revolution in the 19th century, with all that it implies ....

                    Something tells me that in the 45th year there was no revolution. As Hirohito sat, he sat until the end of the 80s. Honor, respect.
                    The revolution in Japan, by the way, was modernizing, and not about samurai. Yes, liberals were once also militant.
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                    Denikin was almost the head of Russia and the tsar general ...

                    1. He was no one in France in the 40s.
                    2. As if for racial theory there is a difference.

                    PS. Something strange is happening with the acc, maybe our conversation will suddenly end.
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                    Mr. Medinsky seems to be saying something about a unique cultural code. And something else about the extra chromosome.

                    ready to quote from it? Or is he so hateful to you? bully
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                    And to the USSR, an hour, do you have any questions of this plan?

                    I am Russian, not a common man, and I’m not curious about the problems of England ... let's just say that they are not angels either ... request
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                    Not a fact.

                    I am far from a boy and had / have the opportunity to leave request
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                    But not everyone does it right on the street.

                    Do you have low self-esteem in Russia? bully
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                    Quite a lot of people find stupid

                    fool in Russia and in the world is missing, especially the benign .... request When the JBF arrives, it does not emit these ... request as there - they beat me not according to my passport ... hi
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                    the guilt of a peaceful man executed in Lidice

                    Germans are to blame for this ... hi
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                    1. He was no one in France in the 40s.
                    2. As if for racial theory there is a difference.

                    1) you are mistaken
                    2) do you need to repeat? OK - this is for the masses ...


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                    t with akk, maybe our conversation will end suddenly.

                    so there is a flood hi
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                    so there is a flood

                    Yes
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    And who got more grief for his people, the pissing Petten or the principled Hitler?

    1) Petten battle general - your term is strange request VIL is also the same - because of the Brest peace?
    2) By what criterion do they compare - the Germans got theirs from the coalition .... and the Franks then shaved the women, because could not protect them from occupation ... hi
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    It remains to be hoped that this incident will remain isolated and not serve as examples for the rest ... to the elders (what a nasty word!).
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        Allow me to disagree with you. I travel around Europe and mark the monuments to our soldiers, as well as those who died in the Second World War, stand. And in Germany, and in Poland, and in Hungary, and even in Ukroin. Yes, there are separate acts of vandalism, but they are separate. Just now, an article on the liberation of Vienna was posted on the VO. The last photo is a memorial to our soldiers.
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          And in Germany, and in Poland, and in Hungary, and even in Ukroin.

          But now I didn’t understand your comparison ... you would think that in those graves there are no immigrants from Ukraine, what would they put these countries in one row ...
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            You're right. But many people put on the resource in the comments.
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              But many people put on the resource in the comments.

              Everyone will go drowning, and you with them?
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                No I'm not going.
                Well, unless dissuade or call the police
                But I understand his reaction to this position of some participants in the resource.
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                  No I'm not going.

                  Well, nice. And the more often to remind whose ancestors are there in the graves together and for what they died, the longer the memory will last
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                    Thank you for approving that I will not go to drown smile
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                      Thank you for approving that I will not go to drown

                      Oh ... I can, in the list of good deeds, for myself today in the column: "saving someone else's life" tick
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                        eeee, wait a second, I didn’t intend to drown, especially since the water is cold, but in the lists of those who want my death and who do not, there is some clarity smile
                        Well, nice.
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                        uh, wait a second

                        Late ... I already put a "tick", and what is written with a pen, you won’t cut it with an ax
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                        well, it used to be.
                        and now there is a magic button
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                        well, it used to be.

                        I don’t know, I don’t know ... we are here, in the outback, we live in the old fashioned way ...
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                        but did computers reach you?

                        No, of course, but sho tse take?
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                        ota thing, yaku you fingers titsayete
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                        ota thing, yaku you finger fingers
                        Oh, Uncle ... that shaw you are such a mess here. With fingers, poke ...
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    Extremely unpleasant fact, but natural. Russia itself has abandoned its heroic history. Itself began to pervert it, for the sake of the ruling class. Russian officials, historians, journalists, directors, writers, and even generals, recall Volkogonov, trampled, mocked the war heroes and great people of the USSR, starting from the Civil War period and ending with the late Soviet period. The favorite of pensioners and activists, Ms. Zakharova, being an official of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said that Stalin was worse than Hitler. A member of the Constitutional Court generally says wild things about the illegality and criminal existence of the USSR, Putin, as head of state, allowed himself to speak dismissively and condescendingly about Stalin, Brezhnev, and about the Soviet period of history, which we had not heard from him.
    The authorities deprived the true heroes of the country of the image of the mythical Titans. She turned Hero Matrosov into a homeless child, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya into an inadequate girl, Pavel Morozov into a symbol of betrayal.
    Power renames streets and closes museums of military glory. All this is done by Russia itself.
    So what do you want to hear in response from the Czechs, shaking the air with their indignant voices?
    In the illegally created USSR, following the historical logic of all recent decades, a person who was worse than Hitler ruled. Thus, the Soviet regime, also following this logic, is criminal. This is because we ourselves are recording there! Well, accordingly, all the acts and figures of this regime are also criminals. And the demolition of the memorial to an outstanding military leader is considered by the Czechs precisely from these positions. They not only demolished the monument, they mocked for a long time and continue to mock it. They destroy the spirit of the victor. We do the same thing. In the face of our power. Therefore, all questions are primarily to those who determine the historical development of Russia.
  • Most kind April 13 2020 07: 07 New
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    It’s necessary to visit the graves of the Belochekhs, there will be some boards or monuments to love there
    1. iouris April 13 2020 12: 51 New
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      It’s necessary to visit the graves of the Belachekhs

      But this is not necessary.
  • parusnik April 13 2020 07: 19 New
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    "And along the road the dead with braids stand ... and silence" .. (c) .. The Russians didn’t let the Czech legionnaires completely poke along the Siberian Railway, here the Czech ответ otvetka ’went ... And the moment was chosen. ... And the answer of the Czech Republic Ministry of Defense, to this particular act of vandalism, is also interesting, they say, the monument does not belong to us, munzipals ... and talk with them ... with a hint that your municipalities have erected monuments to our legionaries and you didn’t take measures but agreed ...
  • 1536 April 13 2020 07: 46 New
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    Every criminal has a person, name and biography! Usually, their "portraits" are hung up on bulletin boards at police stations and shown in crime chronicle on TV. People should know the bandit in person, so as not to become a victim of his criminal activities.
    It is known that one corporal killed tens of millions of human lives. And he began, by the way, from Czechoslovakia.
    And it’s impossible to slow down this Czech barbarism, no matter how “friendship” is involved here, whoever is on friendly terms with this Czech neo-fascist.
  • German Titov April 13 2020 07: 54 New
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    “So, Ondřej Kolář, the head of the Prague-6 district, where the memorial stood, cynically declared on his blog that, supposedly, Marshal Konev was without a mask, and the rules are the same for everyone - anyone on the street should wear a mask. a kind of exercise in wit. "
    I wouldn’t call it “osloem”. In Central Asia, "yeshaki" look wiser.
  • German Titov April 13 2020 07: 55 New
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    It’s necessary to visit the graves of the Belochekhs, there will be some boards or monuments to love there

    And get to know the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation closer.
    1. Most kind April 13 2020 13: 51 New
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      And who said that there are video cameras there, now there is a global shortage of personnel in the bodies, moreover, there are not enough operatives, district police, PPS, PDN, well, shorter than those who run with their feet, and I somehow did not notice the presence of video cameras in cemeteries, well if the white whales were only buried in a separate place, but for small monuments and memorial plaques, remember the grace of the outstanding Russian general Monnerheim in St. Petersburg, how many were covered there, well, or Admiral Kolchak? I think the safe city system only functions well in some freshly built neighborhoods, with such a normal property status of homeowners or in the capital and northern capital, although I would not say so categorically about the latter. And to visit the burial places themselves and see how they lie there in rows, these same white whales, it’s even useful for general development, by the way, since I'm 700 km away. I live from Vladivostok, but I have never heard of these former prisoners of war, well, they are in our land in such numbers. Of course I can’t carry the flowers, but you can take a picture, at the same time see what is written on the boards, suddenly it means that they heroically died for our Motherland.
  • Vitaly Tsymbal April 13 2020 08: 04 New
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    It’s time, it’s time to understand everything - there is no such thing as friendship between nations! There is friendship between specific people of different nationalities, and there is public opinion about the attitude to a particular nation. And this opinion is formed by politicians for the sake of their selfish purpose and their self-affirmation! Czechs, as a nation, have not been “friends” with Russians for a long time (for them, all citizens of the USSR and the Russian Federation are Russians). What pressures the United States against "friendship" with the Americans - the dollar, for which (like during the time of slavery in the USA) slaves-politicians are bought for themselves, already without working on plantations ... And the reaction of our government to this should be in real actions, and not in diplomatic verbiage. I am against the "language of ultimatums", but in such cases this is exactly what we should say to those who damage the memory of our country. Why is the ambassador from the Czech Republic not recalled, why are Czech assets and real estate in banks in the Russian Federation not "arrested", etc. ??? Yes, and for all residents of the 6th district of Prague to introduce a ban on entry into the Russian Federation - "loudly" praying for this decision in the world media until they return the monument to its place .... do it now, tomorrow we will see not only the demolition of the monuments to those who defeated German National Socialism, but also the installation in their place of monuments to the Nazi lackeys.
  • jovanni April 13 2020 08: 27 New
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    And it’s difficult for the country to save face in a situation where black ingratitude is being performed before the eyes of the whole world right before the anniversary of the Victory

    And maybe it was we ourselves, out of kindness of heart, that we were always mistaken, believing that they had a face and not a pig’s face? Already in the twentieth century, Czechs and our bloodlines all over Siberia shed, and the Nazis riveted the technology to the last. And "to the whole world" our Victory in general is like a bone in the throat. The black ingratitude that is now taking place in the eyes of the whole world is now a common thing. Moreover, these unscrupulous eyes ...
    1. Most kind April 13 2020 13: 59 New
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      Only carpet bombardments of the Dresden type will save us, he once equalized the people of Dresden, bombed two cities of Japanese nuclear weapons, also hit a couple of German cities, and now they kiss them in the city of opu, maybe it’s necessary, only not to bomb the plants, but to us take them out, they will still stand in line to come along with the plant and will prove that it is precisely without it that the specified plant will not be able to work precisely, and it is very long and difficult to teach a person precisely his profession. Only in this way will we be able to avoid slander in our address in the future.
  • cniza April 13 2020 08: 40 New
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    So, Ondřej Kolář, the head of the Prague-6 district, where the memorial stood, cynically declared on his blog that, supposedly, Marshal Konev was without a mask, and the rules are the same for everyone - anyone on the street should wear a mask.


    Nothing will come the hour when they put a mask on you.
  • hhhhhhh April 13 2020 09: 32 New
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    Now is the time to try the Czech Republic for helping Hitler and bill for the destruction of Czech tanks in the USSR. The Czechs repent and kneel, ask the Russians for forgiveness.
    There must be a direct relationship. Demolished a monument to Soviet soldiers - an accomplice of Hitler, pay.
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      Now is the time to try the Czech Republic for helping Hitler and bill for the destruction of Czech tanks in the USSR. The Czechs repent and kneel, ask the Russians for forgiveness.

      A very good idea. Need more hell.
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        If you like the position of terpils, pray to the West.
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          No, what are you! I really like your idea. I really want to see how Masha Zakharova will implement it. I love this woman, I don’t know why.
          1. hhhhhhh April 13 2020 14: 54 New
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            Patriots must burn all Skoda in the country overnight or they are not patriots.
            1. Octopus April 13 2020 15: 09 New
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              With appeals you would be more careful. What car does your district police officer have?
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                Even if I had the imprudence to buy from the Czechs, burn my car. Next time I’ll make the right choice.
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                  burn my car

                  Are you not a patriot yourself?
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                    May 9, 1945 Victory Day.
  • comradChe April 13 2020 10: 09 New
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    It was Our state that started the war with monuments, and not only in the person of new Russia, but also Soviet and tsarist. In our mentality, this is not knowledge and respect for our roots and achievements. Therefore, distrust of official history: it was also not respecting and not humbled before facts. For me, it’s better to BE than to seem!
    1. hhhhhhh April 13 2020 14: 56 New
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      You do not need to measure everything by yourself. I remember - November 7, 1917 the Great October Revolution. May 9, 1945 Victory Day.
  • regdan April 13 2020 11: 12 New
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    They like to delete true comments here ... Why don’t they tear down monuments to Czechs in Russia? Just think about what the world community will say about these demolitions ... But if in Russia there was a normal government and not cowardly, then this normal government told the whole community that their words would drive them back into the throat ...
    1. iouris April 13 2020 12: 54 New
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      Why not demolish monuments to Czechs in Russia?

      Not monuments should be demolished, but wars won. They say to you: "Behave as conquered."
    2. hhhhhhh April 13 2020 14: 21 New
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      In a modern way. They will not only ban Czech cars from selling, but they will also prohibit such cars from moving on the roads.
  • iouris April 13 2020 11: 14 New
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    Quote: “It is easy to guess that they will provide some sort of humiliating signature.” The end of the quote.
    This is the "cry of Yaroslavna." It is necessary 1) to raise money and erect a monument to Marshal Konev in Moscow, 2) to make the Skoda pay.
  • Stalnov I.P. April 13 2020 11: 30 New
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    Let this ondryusha remember, from the moment of dismantling the monument, let him take care of her EGGS, and we have a beautiful Russian tree BIRCH, WE WILL FIND YOU A CHIPPOUND.
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    IC April 13 2020 14: 27 New
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    There have been acts of vandalism in the Czech Republic before. Surely there were monuments to Franz Joseph. But not now.
    In the early 60s in Prague, a giant monument to the main
    liberator and chief Konev comrade To Stalin. All repeats. As for the headman of Prague 6, the district residents will give an assessment of its activity in the next elections. Shoigu's appeal to his Czech counterpart looks ridiculous. He is an ordinary civilian official whose terms of reference are strictly limited and have nothing to do with the problem. After the next parliamentary elections, he will be replaced.
  • Den717 April 13 2020 18: 02 New
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    According to the Czech Foreign Ministry, the dismantling of the monument to Marshal does not contradict the agreement between the two countries on friendship and cooperation. In addition, the Czech Foreign Ministry believes that the graves of Soviet soldiers are "properly" contained in the country. Is this blackmail? Hint that if Russia continues to insist on its own, then these graves could be in danger?

    Actually, this opinion sounded a hidden clue for our leaders to resolve the scandal. The fact is that the installation of monuments and memorials owned by the communities is carried out by the decision of the municipal authorities. And in these authorities all kinds of incidents can happen depending on which party will crush the council. But the memorials erected on the sites of military burials have a completely different status, protecting the responsibility of the state. The accented mention of this can be a hint - put a monument within a military burial place (and there are more than one there), and the Czech Republic will observe it “in an appropriate manner”.
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      Now Czechs and Poles are unpleasant with the fact that it was we who liberated them, and the monuments remind them of this, there is nothing to be done about it, because the demolition will continue
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        nothing can be done about it, because the demolition will continue

        Well, if you think so, it remains only to sit aside and cry bitterly. Will this suit you?
  • John April 13 2020 23: 22 New
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    It’s not a secret that the indicative flogging comes exactly at the memorable date of our country. Small Bonapartes all the time strive to stomp a leg, bite the hand of the giver, just make a face. Such is the nature and purpose of all puppet, small-scale promoters. In fact, ordinary people are always against such a policy, there are simply few who remember history. It is important that historical truth exists and does not correspond. This is our task, to bombard with facts.
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      Quote: John
      It is important that historical truth exists and does not correspond.

      If historical truth exists, then it cannot be rewritten.
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      This is our task, to bombard with facts.

      Hollow.
      Our task is to become a sovereign state. In our country, for a long time, legislation was formed by transnational monopolies.
      1. John April 14 2020 19: 22 New
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        Hollowing the wall of alienation is useless; two generations have fostered anti-Russian propaganda. To regain the sovereignty of our Power, time is needed, but not enough. First of all, there is a lot of opposition within the country, it is necessary to raise children in a patriotic spirit, as before. Here the weakest link is education. We need to return all the best that we had. One Halloween is worth it, gadgets. Children live in a virtual. The directors and teachers of the old school, with experience and teaching experience, disappeared, a small percentage remained. Out of curiosity, I went to a forum about the abolition of Halloween holidays in schools, young teachers of foreign languages ​​give valuable advice to colleagues on how to get around this ban. Russians have their own mentality, spirituality and their own values.
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    Stop tourists traveling to the Czech Republic. And then at the end of the year to publish how much they lost in this revenue. Let your ub ... m understand themselves. And the monuments to their legionnaires should also be dismantled by decision of the district authorities. By the way, what they did in civilian civilians in Russia is not much different from punitive.
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      Stop tourists traveling to the Czech Republic. And then at the end of the year to publish how much they lost in this revenue.

      ))) Scared the hedgehog.
      You didn’t even frighten Georgia, I remind you.
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        it remains only to sit to the side and cry bitterly.

        ..about humanism, altruism and goodness?
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    There is nothing to talk about. Take action. Do not drink Czech beer, do not ride Skoda, etc.
  • podymych April 17 2020 12: 00 New
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    Have you noticed what our elites are not lagging behind their Western colleagues? This is the ability to blame everything on those who are lower - that’s supposedly there, some district chief decided there, and we have nothing to do with it. Pontias Pilates are sort of ... But we are also trying to lower the battle against the pandemic to places. If only the stash of nationality appropriated to itself so to itself and leave. Only if it is useful when everyone immediately and really will be bad, God forbid ...
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    Such "elders" - Nazi henchmen, Czech and Slovak partisans once you know where you put