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Coronavirus: made in USA?

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Source: iz.ru


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The study of the most dangerous viruses and microorganisms is one of the highest priorities of any developed state. In Russia, this is done, in particular, in the Federal State Institution “State Scientific Center of Virology and Biotechnology“ Vector ”, located near Novosibirsk, in Koltsovo. It is this center for many regions of the country that is now the reference center for determining human infection with COVID-19 infection. In the United States, Fort Detrick was responsible for such a dangerous area for many decades, recently closed, by the way, due to the failure of the security system.

When working with such viruses, there is always the temptation to transform the genetic filling. Why is this done? This is often due to the unique ability of deadly viruses to penetrate the cell wall and integrate their genetic material into the nucleus. So, the Ebola virus was planned (in an altered form, naturally) to be used to treat glioblastoma in mice. By the way, such studies took place in China. Often, experiments of this kind are carried out in order to determine the pathogenic potential of a new virus.


The virus clings to the infected cell with the s-protein of the same notorious “corona”. Source: ru.wikipedia.org

No matter what the skeptics from the scientific community say, but at the moment there is reason to believe that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus was created by human hands.

Let's start history since 2015, when American biotechnologists created a hybrid virus assembled from the surface protein of the SHC014 virus, the host of which is the horseshoe bats, and the genetic material of the SARS virus. The latter became known in 2002-2003 after it became the causative agent of SARS. In general, medical research on coronaviruses is quite common: up to a third of all modern respiratory diseases are caused by viruses from this group. And five years ago, the creators of this "chimera" proved that the modified SHC014 binds perfectly to the main receptors of human cells and, accordingly, can infect it. According to the authors of this project, before them no one believed in the possibility of such a transfer, and as a result, a new hybrid virus called SHC014-MA15 proliferated well in human tissue cultures in vitro. The main method of biotechnology work was reverse genetics: by modifying the genotype of the virus, scientists are observing what consequences this leads to. By the way, experiments were performed with tissues of highly differentiated epithelium of the human respiratory tract. It was the lungs that were the main target for the viral "chimera." Together with the Americans from the Institute of Infectious Diseases of the US Army, the specialists from the Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety of the Wuhan Institute of Virology participated in the project, which once again suggests an odd coincidence. Scientists seriously approached the issue, observing all biosafety requirements, in particular, the laboratory equipment was certified in accordance with the requirements of the Biosafety level 3 laboratory standard - this is the penultimate level on the pathogen hazard scale.


Perhaps the horseshoe carrier was the primary host of SARS-CoV-2. And maybe not. Source: web-zoopark.ru


Coronavirus: made in USA?
Probably the most famous image of recent months is the computer reconstruction of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Source: ru.wikipedia.org

In 2015, as a result, the researchers were scolded for excessive risk and violation of the US ban on working with such things, but, as we now see, no one made any conclusions. The introduction of a ban on further studies to enhance the pathogenicity of the SARS and MERS viruses suggests that no one five years ago gave a guarantee of the safety of such work. At the level of the US Department of Health, bans were introduced (albeit temporary) on research in this area, and now medical officials are trying to convince everyone of the impossibility of creating artificial pathogens such as SARS-CoV-2, which caused a modern pandemic.

As a result, humanity, as it was not ready for a pandemic before the creation of the "chimera," remained defenseless after the experiment. Only in 2018, a vaccine was developed that prevented the hybrid virus from infecting the cells of experimental mice. Infection occurs with the notorious corona, consisting of S protein molecules necessary for penetration into the cell. To clarify, the vaccine was tested in laboratory animals - they have not reached clinical trials in humans. This, of course, proves that the same “chimeric" virus is very vaguely similar to the modern human coronavirus - otherwise the vaccine would be quickly “doped” and sold already at every corner. But this raises a new question about biosafety issues.

Biosafety and World Military Games


Some information for thought. Since 1937, 39 types of coronaviruses have become known to mankind, of which at least two have already caused serious epidemics - in 2002-2003 it was SARS-CoV SARS and in 2012, the “activity” of the MERS-CoV virus was observed in Saudi Arabia. In both cases, the source was bats that transmitted their pathogens through other animals. In the case of SARS-CoV, it was a Malay palm marten (musang), and in Saudi Arabia the one-humped camel was an intermediate host. Then this disease was mistakenly called camel flu, although Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome is more correct. The MERS-CoV caused by it provoked a very high mortality rate - up to a third of the sick died. The situation was saved only by the low probability of transmission of the virus from person to person. In the situation with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which all scientists in the world have been researching over the past few months, they have not even found 100% of the primary host - there are only suggestions that these are horseshoe rags. But the wild virus of this bat is seriously different from the "human" one, in particular, the structure of the proteins on that same crown. And he, accordingly, cannot infect a person. Perhaps the situation will be clarified by the intermediate owner, but only near-scientific assumptions are now circulating about him. Actually, until researchers determine these two types, no one will be able to completely refute the theory of the artificial origin of a modern pandemic. Moreover, coronaviruses are currently very well studied and biotechnologists have tools for manipulating such pathogens.


Lungs are the main goal of all respiratory syndromes. Source: nytimes.com

Back to the American biological pathogens. The previously mentioned Fort Detrick Laboratory in Maryland was closed in early August last year due to non-compliance with strict biological safety rules - there was simply no guarantee that deadly strains of viruses and bacteria could not break free. At the same time, wording of the type “for reasons of national security” appeared. One of the reasons was the inefficient sterilization of waste and equipment using chemical compounds. Laboratories recommended a return to the old heat treatment. This, incidentally, is not the first closure of Fort Detrick for organizational reasons. In 2009, the laboratory discovered a “shortage” of some very dangerous pathogens, for example, anthrax. That is, biosafety at such serious defense facilities in the United States has long been lame.

We follow the chronology of events further. On August 31, 2019, the New York Times informed the whole world about an outbreak in the United States of new respiratory diseases, the causes of which at that time were associated with newfangled vapes. From rapidly developing pneumonia in 30 states, several people die. At the same time, several dozen patients out of five hundred hospitalized never smoked vape. Outbreaks of a respiratory illness of unknown origin are also recorded in September 2019 in Hawaii among ethnic Japanese. They were not previously in China and could not be infected with coronavirus, however, the clinical manifestations of the disease, as it later turned out, were close to COVID-19.


Wuhan. The opening of the World War Games. October 2019 Source: hediplomat.com

Finally, the World War Games, which Wuhan hosted on October 18–27, 2019, and after which the first patients with a new respiratory syndrome appeared. In the city for several days there were at least 200 US troops who could well be carriers of the coronavirus. Where did the American soldiers come from? From Fort Detrick, which had been covered up a couple of months earlier because of the potential for leaks of dangerous pathogens. Over time, coronavirus spread throughout the United States, but before the height of the global pandemic, no one paid attention to the increasing incidence of pneumonia. That is why now Americans are among the leaders in SARS-CoV-2 infection - initially there were a lot of foci. The absence of a “zero patient,” the man with whom the epidemic in the country began, also plays a role in this. This, by the way, is one of the harmless versions of the emergence of a pandemic. A more sinister look is the disguise of Wuhan.

All the conditions for the lightning-fast spread of the virus were created precisely in China - multi-million cities with extremely high crowded populations, as well as close contact with various animals that can transmit the pathogen from the wild. In addition, Wuhan also has its own biolaboratory, which can be blamed for violating biosafety rules. Undoubtedly, no one says that a new biological was deliberately brought into Wuhan weapon - nevertheless, few will dare to act so recklessly. But declaring the country responsible for the nascent pandemic is quite possible. Only until a certain point is it necessary to hide the epidemic in your own country.


Wuhan Institute of Virology. Source: spharma-industry-review.com

Some more information for thought. Now about the mutational variability of coronaviruses. The fact is that the SARS-CoV-2 genome consists of RNA (ribonucleic acid), which for a number of reasons is unable to correct random or directed mutations. Here DNA viruses (for example, smallpox virus) can independently correct themselves, even in the host cells. But not coronaviruses. This is both the strength and weakness of the RNA virus group. They can accidentally mutate, spreading to new owners, and can gain a lot of harmful mutations and eventually disappear. Therefore, coronaviruses become an excellent object for various experiments on artificial mutagenesis, during which pathogenicity can also be enhanced. The propagation speed of SARS-CoV-2 is now simply enormous - the virus reproduces itself in gigantic quantities, inevitably mutating, which will, to a certain extent, make it possible to mask the original essence of the pathogen.


Source: nytimes.com

At the end of the article, it makes sense to talk about the side effects of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus pandemic. To the extreme, the warmed-up viewers of the central channels, readers of the yellow press and exalted Internet resources fall into a panic, “protecting” themselves from adversity by folk and not very means. And it’s good if they are harmless ginger, garlic or lemon. But citizens of different countries in a futile attempt to save themselves from a simple SARS (which, of course, are mistaken for COVID-19) swallow broad-spectrum antibiotics - this smells like a global biological diversion. The immune properties of the body are markedly reduced against the background of such a powerful attack of antibiotics, which causes the collective immunity of the population to suffer and a person becomes more susceptible to new infections. The cycle closes. In addition, new strains of microorganisms are forming, which have already mutated very well in the human body, and stress in the form of antibiotics stimulates this with renewed vigor. New forms of bacteria are formed, characterized by greater antibiotic resistance (i.e. resistance to antibiotics), which require new, more powerful agents to neutralize. In 2018, about 50 thousand people died from drug-resistant infections in the United States and Europe. Notice, no one has beaten the alarm from so many victims. Just 12 months ago, the forecast for 2050 predicted losses from such super-infections of the order of 10 million people annually. Now, against the background of feverish demand for all kinds of broad-spectrum drugs, this number, of course, will be adjusted. The upcoming “pandemic” from persistent superinfection will become much larger than it is now. She certainly will not cause such hysteria.
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  1. serg. 75
    serg. 75 April 12 2020 04: 13 New
    +4
    What a hype about this coronavirus. Something they don't tell us? Maybe because of his mutations, he will acquire a high mortality rate and become like a "Spanish flu"? winked
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 12 2020 04: 51 New
      -17
      The hype, you say? Oh well. Putin two days ago "made a fuss" about the increase in salaries of doctors and other medical personnel dealing with this virus, so literally the next day an outbreak of newly identified carriers of the virus emerged across Russia. Perhaps these details are not related, but there is something in it. Let's see what will happen next.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat April 12 2020 05: 33 New
        +7
        No matter what the skeptics from the scientific community say, but at the moment there is reason to believe that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus was created by human hands.
        They are always there. When this was not so that there was no reason to see anything in the theory of conspiracy? If there are no such grounds, then they are hidden by those who benefit from it!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 12 2020 06: 34 New
          -6
          Quote: military_cat
          They are always there. When this was not so that there was no reason to see anything conspiracy theory? If there are no such grounds, then they are hidden by thosewho benefits from this!


          Especially well hidden is that ... no,

          Science Magazine Nature About the study of an international group of scientists:
          A comparative analysis of the genomic data of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and the other six known human coronaviruses that infect humans proves that a new infection cannot be artificial.

          From the statement of scientists: "Our analyzes clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or purposefully grown virus,
          If genetic manipulation was carried out to create a pathogen, one of the genetic systems of previously known coronaviruses would be used. However, studies of the structure and mutations of SARS-CoV-2 conclusively show that it was not derived from any previously known viral basis.


          I have no doubt about it. that Americans admit security breaches when working in laboratories: the canceled human factor has not been canceled. And this applies not only, of course, to the Amers, but also to all countries involved in this.

          On the one hand, researching viruses and working with them is objectively necessary (at least in order to deal with danger), on the other hand, gin can break out of the bottle, albeit a meager likelihood.

          what is ahead of whom? recourse

          We hope for the best.
          1. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko April 12 2020 07: 36 New
            10
            When a virus is forced to survive outside its environment, this is an artificial origin.
            As always, science doesn’t finish something.
          2. Achilles
            Achilles April 12 2020 08: 06 New
            12
            "Olgovich (Andrey)" I disagree with you, judging by the statement of our virologists and foreign ones, this new coronavirus is artificially made, i.e. made in a laboratory, and there is no reason to believe the scientific journal Nature, which can be paid by someone
            1. military_cat
              military_cat April 12 2020 08: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: Achilles
              judging by the statement of our virologists and foreign, this new coronovirus is artificially made
              The fact of the matter is that all virologists say that the virus has a natural origin. The fact that it is artificially made, say journalists and ordinary people.
              1. flicker
                flicker April 12 2020 23: 49 New
                +3
                The fact of the matter is that all virologists say that the virus has a natural origin.

                Now imagine that the "virologists" will say: yes, this is our invention, this is our joint.
                What will happen to them angry , considering what kind of emotional negative response he received in the world, and what economic consequences he led.
                ***
                The natural origin of the virus - virologists, all hope for you.
                The artificial origin of the virus is virologists, you will be responsible for everything.

                Z.Y. If you distance yourself from potentially infected (there are cases when doctors grow old), and in some places they can win, then what will they do with virologists if they are accused of creating a virus?
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat April 13 2020 09: 12 New
                  +1
                  I did not offer to believe or not to believe scientists, it is for everyone to decide for himself, and it is useless to convince anyone. I objected to the concrete claim that virologists allegedly stated that covide19 was of artificial origin. They have never said such a thing anywhere and never.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 12 2020 09: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Achilles
              judging by the statement of our virologists and foreign ones, this new coronovirus is artificially made i.e. made in the laboratory

              so bring the same specific statements by virologists. made by them AFTER studies in the laboratory, business ....

              ps there are none.
              1. ser56
                ser56 April 12 2020 18: 06 New
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                so give specific statements of virologists.

                no problem:
                "The General Director of the Vector Biotechnological Center Rinat Maksyutov said that does not believe that coronavirus could be created artificially. Modern technology allows you to synthesize any virus, that is, in the theory of COVID-19 could create artificialoh however in practice it's hardly whether perhaps, said the head of the science center. "
                https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/amp/2321521
                I highlighted the keywords! It is clear that they can officially say yes only after approval at the very top ... request I note that in the United States there is a promotion of a campaign about China’s guilt and a lawsuit for 4 trillion a lot that will come out for that kind of money ... hi
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 13 2020 06: 07 New
                  -5
                  Quote: ser56
                  no problem:
                  "The general director of the Vector Biotechnology Center, Rinat Maksyutov, said that he does not believe that the coronavirus could have been created artificially. Modern technologies make it possible to synthesize any virus, that is, in theory, COVID-19 could have been created artificially, but in practice this is hardly possible," said head of the research center. "

                  Those. he confirmed not artificial, but natural the origin of the virus.

                  Everything else is conspiracy thesis.
                  1. ser56
                    ser56 April 13 2020 18: 08 New
                    -4
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    .e. he confirmed not the artificial, but the natural origin of the virus.

                    I hope you have Russian - native? repeat
                    however - do not want to hear - I see no reason to convince ... request
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich April 14 2020 08: 30 New
                      -1
                      Quote: ser56
                      I hope you have Russian - native?

                      We have a different Russian, native yes
                      Quote: ser56
                      however - do not want to hear - I see no reason to convince ...

                      Can't read still-Don't teach me ....

                      PS
                      "The General Director of the Vector Biotechnological Center Rinat Maksyutov said that does not believe that coronavirus could be artificially created... in practice, this is hardly possible, said the head of the research center. "
                      1. ser56
                        ser56 April 14 2020 13: 52 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Do not know how to read so far, not to teach me ....

                        1) note your message - I have already highlighted keywords for you above - questions of faith of a specialist are not discussed - he confirmed the ability to create a virus artificially ... hi
                        2) I will say this in terms of knowledge and other things - you are illiterate against my background, but I will not prove it - I will remain incognito ... wink I’ll mention in passing that I have patented only 3 different GENERAL sterilization methods ... repeat
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        with you - different Russian, native

                        it seems you are stupid and do not see the shores ... request
                      2. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 14 2020 14: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: ser56
                        1) note your message - I have already highlighted keywords for you above - questions of faith of a specialist are not discussed - he confirmed the ability to create a virus artificially.

                        1. What is the "message"? belay

                        2. From YOUR comment: Rinat Maksyutov, Director General of the Vector Biotechnology Center, stated that does not believe that coronavirus could be artificially created.Modern technologies allow synthesizing any virus, that is, in the theory of COVID-19 could create artificially however on practice this is hardly possible, said the head of the scientific center.

                        3.Not BLADDER, even Maksyutova, but real RESEARCH showed the natural nature of the virus
                        Quote: ser56
                        2) I will say this, in terms of knowledge and other things - you against my background illiterate

                        4. Study: "Narcissistic Personality Disorder"
                        Quote: ser56
                        I will mention in passing, I have patented only 3 different GENERAL methods sterilization.


                        See Clause 4

                        5. As a true scientist, I hope you experienced yourself? hi
                        Quote: ser56
                        It seems you are stupid and do not see the shores.

                        See Clause 4 lol laughing
                      3. ser56
                        ser56 April 14 2020 14: 32 New
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                        Quote: Olgovich
                        showed the natural nature of the virus

                        It seems you don’t know what it is to work on certain systems hi
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        COVID-19 could create artificially

                        so it comes? bully
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Learn: Narcissistic Personality Disorder

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        What's the "message"?

                        funny with you ... repeat
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        As a true scientist, you hopefully experienced yourself?

                        Hmm, who is thinking what - do you have problems with sex? sorry...
                        I'm talking about sterilizing products, such as medical supplies or products ... hi
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        See Clause 4

                        it means he’s definitely diagnosed, and the teenager is an overgrowth of consciousness ... laughing
                      4. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 14 2020 14: 41 New
                        -1
                        Quote: ser56
                        It seems you don’t know what it is to work on certain systems

                        cross yourself hi
                        Quote: ser56
                        so it comes?

                        And so::
                        in practice this is hardly possible

                        Got it, no?
                        Quote: ser56
                        funny with you ..

                        It's sad with you ...
                        Sad you ... request
                        Quote: ser56
                        Hmm, who is thinking what - do you have problems with sex? sorry...
                        I'm about sterilization products, such as medical supplies or products ...

                        Write in Russian, your native and-you will understand: for example, open the explanatory dictionary of the Russian language ....
                        Quote: ser56
                        it means he’s definitely diagnosed, and the teenager is an overgrowth of consciousness

                        See P 4. lol
                      5. ser56
                        ser56 April 14 2020 15: 32 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And so ::
                        in practice this is hardly possible

                        1) Again the subjunctive mood.
                        2) Try to hear the banal - no one bothered him to put an end to it, but he continued about the opportunity ... laughing
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You are sad.

                        experienced... repeat
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Write in Russian,

                        you just can't read bully
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        See P 4

                        in order to make diagnoses you have to be a doctor, and you are an imposter hi with sexual dysfunction has been found ... repeat
                      6. ser56
                        ser56 April 21 2020 14: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        See P 4. lol

                        read ...
                        "The head of the Federal Medical and Biological Agency Veronika Skvortsova said that it is not yet possible to exclude the artificial origin of the new coronavirus. She told about this in an interview with Vladimir Pozner, the release of his program was published on the website of the First Channel.
                        According to Skvortsova, the new coronavirus is 94 percent similar to the virus that causes SARS. However, they have differences, in the new coronavirus there are fragments of retroviruses, including HIV.

                        “We must not guess, but we need to conduct very serious research. It is impossible to exclude either one or the other version [of the origin of the virus - ed.], ”She emphasized.

                        As Rambler wrote, Fox News previously reported with reference to anonymous sources that a laboratory patient in Wuhan was the “zero patient” with coronavirus.
                        According to channel interlocutors, the new coronavirus was created in wuhan laboratory not as a biological weapon, but to demonstrate that China's ability to detect and combat viruses is equal to or greater than the United States.
                        French virologist and one of the pioneers of HIV Luc Montagnier suggested that the emergence of a new coronavirus was the result of the work of molecular biologistswho tried to create an HIV vaccine and leaked. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/community/44053127/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink "

                        as I understand it, this is not information for you! hi
                    2. Icelord
                      Icelord April 20 2020 19: 59 New
                      -1
                      And I have a sister, a microbiologist at the Chicago Institute of Virology, sponsored by the world's largest pharmacological corporation, who is laughing at all these conspiracy theories. So, better posterize, you don’t need to write anything
                    3. ser56
                      ser56 April 21 2020 12: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: Icelord
                      neighing over all these conspiracy theories

                      let him read - what they write in the media - it may come ... hi another daughter of an officer .. wink

                      Quote: Icelord
                      So, better posterize, you don’t need to write anything

                      don’t give me advice and I won’t send you in a certain direction ... request
    2. ser56
      ser56 April 23 2020 15: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      ps there are none.

      time shows who is right - me or you ... hi
      "Have you studied the SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence? Are there really artificial insertions?"

      - There are several inserts, that is, substitutions of the natural sequence of the genome, which gave it special properties. It is interesting that the Chinese and Americans who worked with them published all their works in the open press. I even wonder why this background comes to people very slowly! I think that an investigation will nevertheless be initiated, the results of which will develop new rules governing the work with the genomes of such dangerous viruses.

      So Montagnier's conclusions are not groundless, there are very serious suspicions behind them. It is too early to condemn anyone. Surely, variants of the virus were created without malicious intent, perhaps, as Montagnier says, they wanted to create an HIV vaccine in Wuhan. Although no one excludes that behind the backs of the scientists were curators who directed the actions in another direction they needed. After all, it is known that the laboratory was partially financed by the notorious George Soros Foundation, which has an ambiguous reputation in the world. "
      https://www.mk.ru/science/2020/04/22/kitaycy-sozdali-koronavirus-pytayas-sdelat-vakcinu-ot-vich.html

      I do not expect an apology for slander against me - you are badly brought up ... hi
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 12 2020 09: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Achilles
    fishing according to the statement of our virologists and foreign, this new coronovirus is artificially made

    Research institute of flu them. Smorodintseva from St. Petersburg said that the virus’s genome was decoded,

    Head of the Institute Dmitry Lioznov:

    A study published today confirms that the virus has a natural origin - from animals, and yet from bats. So again we are convinced that all conspiracy theories are untenable.
    1. Operator
      Operator April 12 2020 11: 35 New
      +7
      The St. Petersburg Research Institute of Influenza (based on grants from foreign vaccine manufacturers) does not have full-time geneticists and, by definition, cannot know whether the genomes of the patented coronavirus SHC014-MA15 of the 2015 sample and the coronavirus SARS-COV2 of the 2019 model, first discovered in Wuhan in humans, match but still not found in any animal species in the world.

      Damn, the last time anyone just did not note statements about the genetic basis of the causative agent of the disease COVIR-19 - and doctors, and virologists, and biologists, and orderlies, and radiologists - only geneticists are silent like fish. Why?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 12 2020 12: 21 New
        +3
        Quote: Operator
        St. Petersburg Research Institute of Influenza (sitting on grants from foreign manufacturers of vaccines) does not have full-time geneticists and, by definition, cannot know whether the genomes of the patented coronavirus SHC014-MA15 sample 2015 and the coronavirus SARS-COV2 sample 2019, first discovered in Wuhan in humans, but still not found in any one kind of animal in the world.

        St. Petersburg Research Institute flu them. Smorodintseva, who turned 57 years Ministry of Health of Russia is one andh leading research centers to address current issues of virology, epidemiology, clinic and pathogenesis of viral infections, the development of highly sensitive diagnostic drugs and effective means of protecting the population from influenza and other dangerous viral infections.
        Studies are underway to identify genetic determinants of the pathogenicity of existing and newly emerging viruses, for predicting the evolution of influenza viruses - from the Institute website

        And it is he decoded by the coronavirus genome in Russia it is stated them officially.

        what is the refutation of this statement in the form of .... empty chatter?

        well nothing request
      2. military_cat
        military_cat April 12 2020 20: 03 New
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        Quote: Operator
        St. Petersburg Research Institute of Influenza (sitting on grants from foreign vaccine manufacturers)
        Selling girls of imperialism. laughing laughing
        1. Operator
          Operator April 12 2020 20: 19 New
          -2
          This is not a matter of corruption, but of speculation: the coronavirus RNA is short, the synthetic coronavirus genome is published, the Wuhan genome is also there, sit and compare nucleotide-like and only then declare with reference to a specific mismatch.

          So no - almost every second doctor / biologist / rheumatologist considers it his duty to quack on the spot about coincidence / mismatch. And this despite the fact that the creators of the synthetic coronavirus in 2015 wrote in black and white that the RNA of the coronavirus SARS-COV was used as the nucleus, and the Wuhan coronavirus was officially called SARS-COV2 (suddenly).
      3. flicker
        flicker April 13 2020 13: 43 New
        +1
        only genetics are silent like fish. Why?

        It seems that this is not only and not so much a medical and scientific problem, but also a political one.
        ***
        For example: let's say, Chinese geneticists have convincingly proven and convinced the entire population of China that the virus is of artificial origin.
        Further, it turns out that the United States was intentionally brought to China.
        This means that China has undergone a biological attack.
        What should the Chinese political leadership do in such a situation?
        Probably declare war on the United States, otherwise the people will not understand.
        The political leadership calculates the costs (losses) from a biological attack (coronavirus) and possible losses from a hot war with the United States.
        If the consequences of a biological attack are critical for the people and the state, then this will definitely lead to a hot war.
        If the calculations show that the costs in the second case (hot war) will be much more critical for the people and the state (than the biological attack by the coronavirus), then they would prefer to refuse the hot war.
        Those. the conclusions of geneticists will be stopped, they will officially talk about the natural nature of this virus.

        But the answer on the aggressor will follow, though in a different form.
        1. Operator
          Operator April 13 2020 14: 48 New
          +1
          You are right in the main - the responsible people (the leaders of Russian specialized organizations) in the interview evade a direct answer to the question about the artificial origin of the virus, which in itself is more a confirmation than a denial.

          Another thing is that as soon as artificial origin is responsibly declared, the question will arise of material compensation for damage, either from the developing country, or from the country of the leak, or from both.

          Now this issue is frozen until the end of the pandemic in connection with the danger of an sanctioned war of all against all.
          1. flicker
            flicker April 13 2020 15: 33 New
            +1
            as soon as the artificial origin is responsibly declared, the question will arise of material compensation for damage, either from the developing country or from the country of leakage,
            In the United States, a human rights organization has already filed a lawsuit against China for $ 20 trillion.
            1. Operator
              Operator April 13 2020 15: 52 New
              0
              The sanction war will begin after passing all three courts and only in case of a positive decision on the claim.
      4. Icelord
        Icelord April 20 2020 20: 12 New
        -2
        I got it from my genome, go to the doctor, this is an obsession
    2. NordUral
      NordUral April 12 2020 12: 02 New
      -2
      https://www.influenza.spb.ru/en/
      The site does not say a word about the crown. And he opens in English, which says something.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 12 2020 12: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: NordUral
        https://www.influenza.spb.ru/en/
        The site does not say a word about the crown.

        off site:
        on 07.04.20/1210956/XNUMX in the world XNUMX cases of diseases were registered coronavirus COVID-19, of which 77200 are laboratory confirmed and 67594 deaths, of which 4810 are laboratory confirmed.

        The largest number of cases is observed in Europe: in Spain -130759, Italy - 128948, Germany –95391, France –69607, Great Britain –47810, Turkey –27069, Switzerland – 21065, Belgium –19691, Netherlands –17851, Austria –11983, Portugal –– 11278. In the USA –307318, China –83005, Iran –58226, Canada –13904, Republic of Korea –10284 and Brazil –10278.

        Quote: NordUral
        And he opens in English, which says something.

        This indicates. that it is necessary to open its Russian version (it was I who opened it, but there is also an option in English, as it should be for an internationally significant institution)
        1. Operator
          Operator April 12 2020 12: 52 New
          -2
          Do not confuse biological studies (which are conducted by St. Petersburg grant pumps) with genetic studies (which they do not).

          And what kind of idiocy is it to declare its local decryption - the SARS-COV2 genome was first presented on the Internet by the Chinese in early 2020, after which messages from all over the world about its successful "decoding" by local geneticists were poured laughing
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 12 2020 13: 04 New
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            Quote: Operator
            Do not confuse biological studies (which are conducted by St. Petersburg grant pumps) with genetic studies (which they do not).

            one more time than empty chatter about grantososy, you refute official statemente Research Institute of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation?

            Nothing more?

            Hence, the statement of the research institute is valid
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 12 2020 18: 07 New
              +2
              Andrew, I found and watched the video: https://youtu.be/5zH3dWv6dhY
              But did not speak D. Lioznov and, about. Director of the Research Institute of Influenza, about the origin of the virus.
              If you have a link, then submit it, and so these are all empty words.
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2020 06: 17 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              If you have a link, then submit it, and so these are all empty words.

              dear Eugene You do not think that I invented it all
              Scientists from the A. A. Smorodintsev Research Institute of Influenza (St. Petersburg) succeeded in decoding the complete genome of coronavirus SARS-CoV-2whose strain was first obtained from a Russian patient with Covid-19.

              As reported on the official website of the Ministry of Health, genome information is sent to the international EpiCoVGISAID database used by WHO and world research groups to monitor the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 (sequencing results from other countries are already collected there).

              “This coronavirus is new for us, therefore it is critically important to be able to determine the path of its spread and its entry into the territory of our country, its change. This information will help in the development of vaccines and antiviral drugs for the treatment of coronavirus, ”the department stressed.
              https://yandex.ru/news/story/V_Rossii_uchenye_rasshifrovali_genom_koronavirusa--135f2ecf80d001240981c078868f052f?lr=213&lang=ru&stid=gpYIgtWDBWmg2FbO4RYj&persistent_id=91035922&rubric=personal_feed&from=story&mar=0%27
              .?
            3. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2020 11: 34 New
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              Andrew, in no way. Very often published the devil knows what is in such informational messages.
              Now, in fact - by reference there is not a word about the natural origin of the virus. Only about decoding the genome. Alas, the States remain under suspicion.
            4. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2020 13: 15 New
              -1
              Quote: NordUral
              now in fact - no link not a word about the natural origin of the virus. Only about decoding the genome. Alas, the States remain under suspicion

              A lot of links to this:
              At the Smorodintsev Influenza Research Institute (NII), whose scientists were able to completely decipher the coronavirus genome, revealed the details of their work. About it on Thursday, March 19, reports a portal "Doctor Peter".

              As the head of the institute Dmitry Lioznov explained, specialists were able to establish that SARS-CoV-2 is of natural origin. “From animals, and yet from bats. So again we are convinced that all conspiracy theories are untenable. ”, - he stressed.

              https://lenta.ru/news/2020/03/19/rasshifrovka/ hi
            5. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2020 14: 42 New
              -1
              Accepted, thank you as a source of information, but not 100% reliable. The Flu Research Institute is sitting too tight on grants. Although this cannot be completely rejected, anything can happen.
            6. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2020 15: 45 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              Accepted, thank you as a source of information, but not 100% reliable. The Flu Research Institute is sitting too tight on grants.

              he is sitting in the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation
              Quote: NordUral
              Although this cannot be completely rejected, anything can happen.

              and this:
              The scientific journal Nature about the study of an international group of scientists:
              A comparative analysis of the genomic data of the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and the other six known human coronaviruses that infect humans proves that the new infection cannot be of artificial origin.

              From the statement of scientists: "Our analyzes clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a targeted virus.
              If genetic manipulation was carried out to create a pathogen, one of the genetic systems of previously known coronaviruses would be used. However, studies of the structure and mutations of SARS-CoV-2 conclusively show that it was not derived from any previously known viral basis.
              ?
              . Those. There are links to RESEARCH.

              Refutants of the studies do not have it at all.

              these are just facts
            7. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2020 15: 54 New
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              God be with him, this virus, Andrew. Where it is not so important from now, but what will happen next to the economy and us is the question.
            8. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2020 16: 02 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              God be with him, this virus, Andrew. Where it is not so important from now, but what will happen next to the economy and us is the question.

              You are right.

              Although, I’m afraid, such byaks will become more frequent, given the huge population growth rate and, as a result, terrible crowding, poor nutrition, and poor water. dying nature ....

              And there will be (pah-pah-pah!) A big depression all over the world, it will be hard with work, wages, real, real values ​​of yourself will be appreciated: bread, potatoes, fuel.

              I really want Russia to be fine!
              She has a lot of her own, as well as wonderful people.
            9. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2020 16: 06 New
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              I agree! The main thing for us is not to oversleep the future of children and grandchildren (to myself, when I have been talking about children for many years).
            10. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 13 2020 16: 12 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              I agree! The main thing for us is not to oversleep the future of children and grandchildren (to myself, when I have been talking about children for many years).

              Yes, we have already lived a significant part of our life, but our grandchildren (and I already have two) would still have the happiness to capture ...
            11. NordUral
              NordUral April 13 2020 17: 26 New
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              That’s all, Andrey. Okay, we will strengthen and believe that common sense among our people, as well as throughout the world, has not completely atrophied.
  3. Dog
    Dog April 12 2020 22: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Once again, WHAT, besides the idle talk about grantososy, do you refute the official statement of the Scientific Research Institute of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation?

    If scientific knowledge was based on statements, we would never have left the Middle Ages.
    Everything is arranged the other way round: without proof, a statement of refutation cannot be requested.
    Well, this is if we decided to talk about science.
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 13 2020 06: 23 New
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    Quote: Dog⁣
    If scientific knowledge was based on statements, we would never have left the Middle Ages.

    and cognition is based on the simple ability to READ and understand what is written, once again for tankers:
    Researchpublished today confirms the virus is naturally occurring
    .
    those. data-based statement research conducted.

    At the heart of the CHAPTER set against him is nothing.
    It
    Quote: Dog⁣
    if we decided to talk about science.
  5. Icelord
    Icelord April 20 2020 20: 17 New
    -1
    Statement for the people, and in the scientific community and evidence
  • Icelord
    Icelord April 20 2020 20: 15 New
    -1
    From an ignoramus, what do you know about grants?
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ April 12 2020 10: 33 New
    +2
    The journal "Nature" is an ordinary popular science journal of the type "Science and Life". Anyone can make stuffing there, it is problematic to make stuffing in serious scientific journals - the reputation will suffer. And in popular science, reputation is not looked at.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 12 2020 12: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Aviator_
      The journal "Nature" is an ordinary popular science journal of the type "Science and Life". Anyone can make stuffing there, it is problematic to make stuffing in serious scientific journals - the reputation will suffer. And in popular science, reputation is not looked at.

      If it didn’t get right the first time: not empty words were published opinions talkers like yours and other conspiracy theorists, and concrete results of official studiesunder which are the certifying signatures of the researchers.

      Again, the difference, do not you see? No.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 12 2020 13: 32 New
        +2
        I can see the difference between the Murzilka magazine and Voprosy Virologii.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 12 2020 13: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Aviator_
          I can see the difference between the Murzilka magazine and Voprosy Virologii.
          Show the research report in Murzilka.

          What, again, no?

          And in "Questions of Virology" it is clearly written:
          the epidemic outbreak of acute respiratory disease COVID-19 is a variant of SARS (PRC, 2002) and differs from MERS (Saudi Arabia, 2012) caused by another coronavirus belonging to the subgenus Merbecovirus of the same genus; - according to the results of phylogenetic analysis of 35 different betacoronaviruses (Betacoronavirus), isolated in 2002-2019. from people and from natural sources, natural reservoir coronavirus 2019-nCoV, as well as the SARS-related human CoV virus, are bats of the genus Rhinolophus (Rhinolophidae)


          Yes, and Nature is one of the oldest 1869 g and authoritative global science magazines ..

          Your "comparisons" are ridiculous and ridiculous,
          1. Jager
            Jager April 12 2020 19: 13 New
            +2
            There are only articles and assumptions. Someone somewhere said something, somewhere published something, but I have never seen documents certified by signatures. Too many matches for a man-made virus.
            Personally, I am confused "of the known viruses, this one is definitely not assembled and therefore naturally mutated."
            And what prevents to collect this coronovirus from UNKNOWN a wide circle of base researchers? A huge number of viruses, after all, one of the first forms of life)
      2. Dog
        Dog April 12 2020 22: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        concrete results of official studies

        You confuse the results with the conclusions. These are different things.
        And what is this category: official research?
    2. military_cat
      military_cat April 12 2020 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Aviator_
      The journal "Nature" is an ordinary popular science journal of the type "Science and Life".
      No. This is a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
      1. Dog
        Dog April 12 2020 23: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: military_cat
        No. This is a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

        The story of 2014 with the Japanese looks cool, when one "scientist" published an article in this peer-reviewed journal, which the world considered a breakthrough, and then his supervisor committed suicide to wash off the shame for this very article of his student, because there was a complete forgery and eyewash.
        They also write that in 2018 a group of scientists from different countries repeated the experiments, the results of which were published in this "respected" journal for the period 2010-2015, as a result of which it turned out that only slightly more than half of them were tested for reproducibility, the rest turned out to be bullshit and eyewash.
        1. Icelord
          Icelord April 20 2020 20: 19 New
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          Errors and forgeries are and always have been
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  • Svarog
    Svarog April 12 2020 09: 06 New
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    On the one hand, researching viruses and working with them is objectively necessary (at least in order to deal with danger), on the other hand, gin can break out of a bottle

    In my opinion, Jin got out of the bottle ... and in my opinion, the USA helped and helped him. You need to look for someone who benefits. Bill Gates and other billionaires are amazingly informed .. Gates regularly makes assumptions and predictions about the sad future of mankind and invests a lot of money in virology .. All this talk about the golden billion comes from them as well .. add here the rapid development of robotics and environmental problems and we get that in the future a huge number of people will not be in demand on the labor market and it is not necessary, which, in turn, can lead to bundles, protests .. and this threatens the cap. world order .. and a specific person the news in whose hands a lot of money is now .. Never before was a supporter of conspiracy theories ... but now I just became sure that something terrible had begun for humanity.
  • fif21
    fif21 April 12 2020 09: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    On the one hand, virus research and handling is objectively necessary

    There is a peaceful atom, there is a military one. Research into viruses and how to deal with them is necessary, but the artificial creation of viruses that pose a threat to humans is a CRIME against humanity and should be punished, and punishment is only the death penalty. hi
    1. Jager
      Jager April 12 2020 19: 17 New
      +1
      In general, before putting a biological weapon into service, vaccines are created for it. Or a species that will mow down the enemy, but will not have time to infect its own. Otherwise, this weapon simply does not make sense because it is deadly for the one who used it.
    2. flicker
      flicker April 13 2020 00: 08 New
      +1
      the artificial creation of viruses that pose a threat to humans is a CRIME against humanity and should be punished, and punishment is only the death penalty

      That's it.
      The following steps that follow from this:
      - politically recognize (at the level of the head of state) the artificial appearance of the virus,
      - accuse the state that created this virus of a crime
      - declare war on this state.
      ***
      In fact, the opinion of virologists can become the basis for declaring war.
      Responsibility that rests with virologists, geneticists recourse
  • ser56
    ser56 April 12 2020 17: 48 New
    -2
    Quote: Olgovich
    The scientific journal Nature about the study of an international group of scientists:

    1) who funded these studies?
    2) scientists can make mistakes, they can distort ... request
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  • Stas157
    Stas157 April 12 2020 08: 19 New
    +9
    there is reason to believe that SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus was created by human hands

    Whether the virus itself originated or by human hands, there is not much difference, especially for the sick. In any case, viruses are currently the main threat to humanity. Viruses and without any human intervention will generate all new forms.

    The development, mutation of the simplest forms (viruses and bacteria) is much faster than complex (animals and humans). Therefore, in the near future, a person will face ever new formidable challenges.

    But if you look from the other side, globally, from the point of view of "nature", the Earth needs something to regulate the uncontrollably growing population. How to balance the dominance of one living species from which the entire living planet groans? What to oppose?

    The simplest thing is a virus.
    (If you do not take into account global cataclysms from which all living things can suffer, and not just people.)
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 12 2020 09: 08 New
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      Quote: Stas157
      Viruses and without any human intervention will generate all new forms.

      This is all so .. but, with a very high speed and frequency, these new forms began to appear .. remember over the past 15 years, what kind of trouble has not appeared .. so the idea suggests that someone is clearly helping ..
  • Blondy
    Blondy April 13 2020 15: 19 New
    0
    Generally speaking, the main argument against the hypothesis of the artificial origin of the virus is as follows: editing of genomes (not only viruses) is carried out at the present stage by inserting / deleting whole pieces of genomes. In covid19, mutations in the genome did not occur in whole pieces, but randomly affected individual "letters of the genetic alphabet", which indicates the natural nature of mutations. In about 20 years, specialists may learn to edit genomes "letter by letter" - then it will be impossible to determine the nature of the virus' origin.

    Although - some packages with a symbol of biological danger were found on the territory of the American consulate in Wuhan - so no one canceled the American face in the cannon. They earned their reputation, starting with blankets infected with smallpox, back in the XNUMXth century.
  • Mebius
    Mebius April 12 2020 13: 06 New
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    Quote: siberalt
    The hype, you say? Oh well. Putin two days ago "made a noise" about the increase in salaries of doctors and other medical personnel dealing with this virus, so literally the next day, an outbreak of newly identified carriers of the virus emerged throughout Russia

    You should not have mentioned the word of our head of state .. You immediately flew so many minuses))))
    Well, in general, in medicine it’s not very, as our authorities declare .. Maybe in Moscow, but in the regions so-so .. But we are tenacious here !!!! wassat crying
    We will break through and typhus, cholera, anthrax we experienced .. So, we are ready, we will also accept the "Muscovites" from the watch .. we will kick it and cure it for sure !!! hi
    Quote: Svarog
    and the idea suggests itself that obviously someone is helping ..

    And you don’t have one .. Too many financial squabbles of the world against this background have begun !!!!
    1. Jager
      Jager April 12 2020 19: 19 New
      +1
      and the Pechenegs and Polovtsy survived (s)
  • svp67
    svp67 April 12 2020 04: 55 New
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    Quote: serg.75
    Maybe because of his mutations, he will acquire a high mortality rate and become like a "Spanish flu"?

    This is not excluded, even most likely, but it will not be the same CoVid19 with which we are now fighting, but something new. But here's what came to mind. At the beginning of 2020, when the epidemic was gaining momentum in China, the WHO convened a meeting and there they were somewhat shocked that the head of the WHO Center for Plague, Vladimir Dubyansky, was delegated from Russia. Then all others considered it excessive, but it seems that this was exactly the case when "the whole system was out of step" ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 12 2020 06: 48 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: serg.75
      Maybe because of his mutations, he will acquire a high mortality rate and become like a "Spanish flu"?

      It is not excluded

      It is not excluded.

      But on the other side. the virus, as it were. no purpose to kill .... its host. vice versa. for its distribution, it is "interested" in its preservation.

      And there are judgments that he, like other viruses, mutates over time to a much safer level for a person, as happened previously with similar infections ...

      And it will initiate a fairly ordinary ARVI ...
      although... recourse request
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2020 07: 44 New
        +9
        Quote: Olgovich
        But in other way. the virus, as it were. there is no purpose to kill .... its host. vice versa. for its distribution, it is "interested" in its preservation.

        But no one knows how many saved he is interested
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 12 2020 07: 52 New
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          Quote: svp67
          But no one knows how many saved he is interested

          interesting twist! yes

          from the point of view of the logic of distribution and preservation of oneself, he is interested in the greatest preservation of carriers, i.e. ....us recourse
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2020 08: 28 New
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            in terms of the logic of propagation and self-preservation

            This is human logic, but as he thinks ... we do not know
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich April 12 2020 09: 32 New
              +5
              Quote: svp67
              This is human logic, but as he thinks ... we do not know

              this is the logic of ALL living — to multiply and expand its habitat hi
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 12 2020 10: 47 New
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                this is the logic of ALL living — to multiply and expand its habitat

                That's right ... and having done away with man, the virus migrates to cats and becomes a sweet spot ...
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich April 12 2020 10: 56 New
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  .and ending in man, the virus migrates to cats

                  Maybe to cats ... recourse

                  But there are millions of times more people, I would not leave them request
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich April 12 2020 12: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          But no one knows how many saved he is interested

          They know. As much as possible.
          The task is reproduction.
      2. Jager
        Jager April 12 2020 19: 20 New
        0
        this is ARVI.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 12 2020 06: 13 New
    -7
    Quote: serg.75
    coronovirus. Maybe because of his mutations gains high mortality and will become like a "Spanish woman"? winked

    Do not worry young man ... VVP said that: "..... and we will go to Paradise ...."
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 12 2020 07: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: Lara Croft
      coronovirus.

      Do not worry young man ...VVP he said that: ".....and we will go to Paradise.... "

      Said in connection with the coronovirus? Will you quote?
      No?
      and why then? belay request
  • Baloo
    Baloo April 12 2020 06: 28 New
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    Not so long ago, an American anthropologist dug up in Alaska the body of a woman who died from a Spanish woman a hundred years ago. It is possible that the Spaniard will return in a new form.
    Thanks to the author for the article. It is now clear that the "Chinese crown" is not from China.
    Quote: serg.75
    What a hype about this coronavirus. Something they don't tell us? Maybe because of his mutations, he will acquire a high mortality rate and become like a "Spanish flu"?
    1. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya April 12 2020 08: 50 New
      +5
      Stopudovo coronavirus is an American development. That is why they urgently organized a "working" group and, together with the Israelis, filed a lawsuit against China for tens of TRILLION! dollars. The thief is always the first to shout, "Stop the thief"! And by the way, since the Jews have joined this lawsuit, it means most likely they have a stigma in the gun. The Americans are smart, and they insured themselves, it was not for nothing that they carried out part of the work on such viruses together with the Chinese, then stopping them at a certain stage and continuing the development themselves. Thanks to this move, they have the opportunity to blame China, since the compatibility of the initial developments is documented and it is difficult for China to get out, since one hundred pounds and China continued these developments at home. Now someone will get over someone. In fact, in this situation, someone outside should have long ago intervened and raised the issue in the Security Council and the UN about the start of a biological war against the whole world, I do not understand such silence, it would seem that this is the moment for Russia to get even for Skrypalya, all the troubles and the nasty things that the Americans did to her with their satellites and "sixes" - take and raise the question in the Security Council and the UN, that it is necessary to create an international commission to investigate the causes of this pandemic, because Powers, who was shaking a test tube there, was quite a sufficient condition for to destroy an entire country by military actions, and then biological warfare against the whole world and everything is like water in your mouth. Moreover, if you have heard, then the President himself publicly spoke about the fact that it is necessary to stop insinuations about the artificial origin of the virus, they say, "scientists" have already "confirmed" the natural origin of the virus and it is necessary not to look for the guilty ones, but to focus on eliminating the pandemic by joint efforts (this is probably why help is sent by airplanes to the right and left). It is a strange position, it is clear that it is necessary to eliminate the consequences of the pandemic, but it is also necessary to search for the causes of the pandemic and the "guilty" (if there is one) and for this it is necessary to start working "hot on the heels", until these traces are completely cleaned up. Find the culprit and demand compensation from him. But no, on the contrary, the rulers of the EU and the countries of the "golden billion", including Russia, just as they agreed on this issue, are silent, like "fish on ice" and insist on the "natural cause of the pandemic."
      Below are links to related articles, in addition, youtube is full of "videos" on this topic:
      https://petition.president.gov.ua/petition/89500
      https://zvezdaweekly.ru/news/t/20201291341-AfM0x.html
      https://versia.ru/fakty-o-prichastnosti-ssha-k-rasprostraneniyu-koronavirusa
      https://www.belvpo.com/111251.html/
      https://vpk-news.ru/articles/55893
      1. depressant
        depressant April 12 2020 09: 00 New
        +3
        Time in battle is measured by the number of empty clips, in a pandemic - by the number of dead bodies. It doesn’t matter who created the weapon or the virus. It is important whether you will live.
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich April 12 2020 12: 18 New
        +2
        stopudovo

        This is a powerful argument.
      3. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED April 12 2020 17: 41 New
        0
        States are desperate to maintain their leadership. They could have tried to bend the Chinese.
        As for the "scientists", I personally have long regarded this community as "scientists (by whom, with what), taught, learned ...". Yes, and a high percentage in their midst, people of one ancient nation, as it were. The "philanthropy" of "scientists" engaged in breeding new types of viruses, supposedly for good purposes, is also doubted. Instead of fighting old infections, new ones are being developed.
        Something with logic here, not that.
        Nowadays, among scientists, fewer and fewer people remain ideological, principled, and simply honest. Greed ... For your money and grants, most of you are ready to get and modify even a damn thing from a snuff-box.
    2. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM April 12 2020 11: 08 New
      +2
      ... Not so long ago, an American anthropologist dug up in Alaska the body of a woman who died from a Spanish woman a hundred years ago. It is possible that the Spaniard will return in a new form.
      Thanks to the author for the article. Now it is clear...

      I am also surprised - why didn’t they bury both of them right there?
      1. Baloo
        Baloo April 12 2020 13: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: SHURUM -BURUM
        ... Not so long ago, an American anthropologist dug up in Alaska the body of a woman who died from a Spanish woman a hundred years ago. It is possible that the Spaniard will return in a new form.
        Thanks to the author for the article. Now it is clear...

        I am also surprised - why didn’t they bury both of them right there?

        The anthropologist ate it and is now sick with the Spanish
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 12 2020 17: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: Balu
          The anthropologist ate it and is now sick with the Spanish

          Ah, this woman who was eaten was Spanish?
          1. Baloo
            Baloo April 12 2020 17: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: DED_peer_DED
            Quote: Balu
            The anthropologist ate it and is now sick with the Spanish

            Ah, this woman who was eaten was Spanish?

            She blah Spaniard and sick Spanish woman in Alaska, on her and died a hundred years ago. The anthropologist dug it up and ...
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 13 2020 00: 04 New
              0
              Shoeing in Czechs, picking up Finnish, became infected with a Spanish woman?
              1. Baloo
                Baloo April 13 2020 06: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Shoeing in Czechs, picking up Finnish, became infected with a Spanish woman?

                Surely America is Wonderland.
  • Simara
    Simara April 13 2020 06: 32 New
    0
    The Spaniard was lethal because at the time of the pandemic there were no antibiotics, and ordinary bacterial pneumonia killed everyone, plus wartime everyone was malnourished.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy April 13 2020 20: 36 New
    -2
    The main thing is that our brain does not mutate from "horror" and we do not want to go into digital slavery like China is now and how others will have
  • zenion
    zenion April 16 2020 13: 10 New
    0
    The virus will rage until elections are held. If they choose the "necessary" ones, they will exhale and the virus will go into protection and hibernation, but will be ready to appear at the first call.
  • riwas
    riwas April 12 2020 04: 53 New
    +3
    After analyzing 160 samples of the SARS-CoV-2 virus genome isolated from diseased people, scientists found that there were three genetic varieties of the virus. Varieties designated A and C have been identified in Europeans and Americans. Variety B virus is most common in East Asia. It is not transmitted to other regions of the Earth without mutations.
    http://sci-dig.ru/medicine/genetiki-obnaruzhili-tri-raznovidnosti-virusa-sars-cov-2/
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 12 2020 10: 36 New
      +7
      I wrote for a long time, here at VO, that Western pharmaceutical companies are working on the development of bacterological and virological weapons around the world (themselves and fulfilling orders from their governments), while conducting research under the guise of “peaceful activities”, showing smiling “doctors” at the camera selflessly helping the unfortunate aborigines. But the real activity of this organization has long been accompanied by various kinds of scandals and "closed topics". For example, it has been written more than once that the activities of this organization are nothing more than testing and verification of various pharmaceuticals and substances, as well as conducting various virological and bacteriological studies and experiments on the disenfranchised and not protected from arbitrariness of the African population. Personally, when I had to overlap a little in my work with "doctors without borders", then I was struck by the level of secrecy and military cover of the PMCs that accompanied the personnel of this organization. The camps of this organization (not the ones shown on television to touch the housewives of the countries of the "golden billion") were something like a fort - behind a double barbed wire fence with advanced electronic control systems and patrols with dogs. The medical staff was shocked to the extreme and did not move anywhere without being accompanied by guards - it was simply impossible to talk them into conversation when they met. Only once, I had a chance to talk with one of the staff, he came to us and took tests (according to the contract we had to take all tests once a week), he was driving home for some family reason and I was overwhelmed with him at the airport, drank a little, talked: he complained about the difficulties of work and the draconian measures of secrecy and control, without saying anything specifically, about the fact that in general it is dangerous in Africa, because they are shoved out of sight into the hottest spots, where no one will stick with a check or else than. To my question, why is this necessary, isn't it easier to organize various studies in a normal country .... He chuckled and replied: “Do you know how much one chimpanzee costs for experiments? And here there are so many of them, he runs completely freely in his pants. "
  • riwas
    riwas April 12 2020 05: 06 New
    +5
    Doctors use drugs that weaken the immune response. Doubts about what affects the human organs - the virus itself or the response of the infected immune system, prevent doctors from finding the best ways to treat patients suffering from severe coronavirus. Clinical evidence suggests that the immune system plays a role in making people infected with the new coronavirus weaken and die. Combined lesions from the virus and the immune response are common, says viral immunologist Rafi Ahmed, who works in Atlanta at Emory University. Ahmed hopes that in the absence of an answer to this question, scientists will conclude that complex therapy is needed, say, with the use of an inhibitor of IL-6, which does not completely inhibit the immune system, in combination with an antiviral drug that directly affects the virus. Other drugs that affect the immune system are tested, including Anakinra, which acts on the signal protein IL-1 and can weaken some immune responses without interfering with CD4 and CD8 T cells, Chen says.
    https://inosmi.ru/science/20200410/247240646.html
    1. riwas
      riwas April 12 2020 06: 45 New
      +5
      According to The Scientist portal, some experts point out that ready-made antibodies as a treatment method can be dangerous. For example, in experiments with monkeys infected with SARS-CoV (which caused an outbreak of SARS in 2002–2003), therapeutic antibodies against the virus caused such a strong immune response that no treatment took place: in the lungs, the same severe inflammation as and with untreated virus.
      https://www.nkj.ru/news/38566/
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket April 12 2020 05: 32 New
    12
    The version that the Americans chose Wuhan for infection, because there is a biolaboratory and Wuhan center of China (industrial, cultural and + New Year's holidays) in general, this version is very believable. It was not by chance that the Chinese Foreign Ministry accused the United States of using BW against its country.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 April 12 2020 08: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The version that the Americans chose Wuhan for infection, because there is a biolaboratory and Wuhan center of China (industrial, cultural and + New Year's holidays) in general, this version is very believable. It was not by chance that the Chinese Foreign Ministry accused the United States of using BW against its country.


      There is the same mirror version, about the fact that SARS was investigated in the Wuhan laboratory (and this is actually the case) and in the process of research the "sample", which is no longer SARS in its pure form, escaped from the object. In Nature, by the way, there was an article for 2015 or 2018 (I don’t remember exactly what to look at) where it was written about this laboratory and there the scientist wrote in plain text that SARS had escaped from objects and the article as a whole raised the question of the level of safety in this laboratory. So something like that .... does that mean the truth? no. So is the American version. So what is currently known is that nothing is known, all theories are based on assumptions and assumptions about the appearance of COVID-19.

      But real studies of the coronavirus genome have not yet confirmed its artificial origin, on the contrary, our scientists talk about the natural mutation of SARS. And by the way, at the official level, neither the Chinese side nor the Russian side did not blame the United States for the biological attack. In China, one Foreign Ministry official wrote that the United States brought the coronavirus, wrote it on Twitter ... and then the official Foreign Ministry of China wrote that it was his private opinion and was not related to the position of the state. There is still truth an exchange of accusations between the US-PRC, but the point is different .... Trump needs to somehow justify himself to voters and Democrats for the failure in the health sector and the slow reaction to coronavirus, here it is the responsibility for the PRC and WHO discards that information not provided that slowly, etc.
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 12 2020 05: 42 New
    +2
    The people of the United States - the main victim of the crazy experiments with the Obama government's Covid-19 coronavirus - there is already a version that the coronavirus is a Democrat sabotage against Trump.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 12 2020 06: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: avia12005
      The people of the United States - the main victim of the crazy experiments with the Obama government's Covid-19 coronavirus - there is already a version that the coronavirus is a Democrat sabotage against Trump.

      USA is the main evil on this planet. Someday they will destroy everyone.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor April 12 2020 09: 07 New
        +3
        the main evil for the planet itself is man ...
        and someday planet earth will get rid of this misunderstanding of nature, if humanity does not stop destroying itself and everything around it ...
        after this pandemic, the survivors ’lifestyle is bound to be different ... at least I want to believe it ....
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 12 2020 05: 51 New
    14
    But declaring the country responsible for the nascent pandemic is quite possible.

    What the west has done already.
    The Western world, with the light filing of Donald Trump, has already accused China of the spread of the coronavirus. The leader of the "free world" has repeatedly said about the coronavirus that it is a "Chinese infection", a "Chinese virus". Now British specialists have also joined in the statements of the American president. The Daily Mail, which sometimes recruits former intelligence and espionage specialists, has published a report according to which the coronavirus outbreak could indeed have been due to a leak in a Wuhan biolaboratory.
    https://life.ru/p/coronavirus-crisis
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 12 2020 09: 06 New
      10
      Quote: DMB 75
      according to which an outbreak of coronavirus could really happen due to a leak in the Wuhan biolaboratory.

      The virus is branded made in USA, where it "fluttered" it is already a second time. Could "fly out" in Georgia, Ukraine, Poland ... ... where biolaboratories are funded by the USA. hi
  • However, dear
    However, dear April 12 2020 06: 24 New
    -14
    “Over time, the coronavirus spread throughout the United States, but until the height of the global pandemic, no one paid attention to the increasing cases of pneumonia. That is why now Americans are among the leaders in SARS-CoV-2 infection - initially there were a lot of foci. The United States is the "zero patient", the person with whom the epidemic began in the country. This, by the way, is one of the harmless versions of the origin of the pandemic. The camouflage infection of Wuhan looks more ominous. "

    It is clear that the damned American imperialists are to blame for everything and themselves committed this infection. Only now, it looks strange, based on this version, that in America, Europe, Russia - an epidemic flares up everywhere. The numbers of infections and deaths rod up exponentially. While in China everything is fine, and quarantine in Ubei, where 60 million people live, is being removed. And the remaining 1350 million Chinese do not get sick! Who will benefit if the whole world gets sick and dies from COVID-19 except the Chinese? There are 2 options. Either the Chinese underestimate deaths and infections at home hundreds or thousands of times, or, even worse, China infected the whole world intentionally, and the outbreak in Ubei / Wuhan is a distracting maneuver.
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 April 12 2020 07: 41 New
      +1
      By your logic, soon the Americans will swing the test tube with the substance and blame the Chinese.
      1. However, dear
        However, dear April 12 2020 08: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: 7,62x54
        By your logic, soon the Americans will swing the test tube with the substance and blame the Chinese.


        If it is confirmed that the Chinese are not just naive victims of eating undercooked bats, but have infected the whole world intentionally, I think many countries, including Russia, will rightly have questions for China. A showdown with Saddam would then seem like a slight misunderstanding.
        1. 7,62h54
          7,62h54 April 12 2020 08: 40 New
          +1
          But what if the fault of the United States or its vassals is proved?
          1. However, dear
            However, dear April 12 2020 08: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: 7,62x54
            But what if the fault of the United States or its vassals is proved?


            We will see. If we survive. :) But while Americans are dying the most, Europeans are not far behind either. And the Chinese are suspiciously healthy.
    2. However, dear
      However, dear April 12 2020 09: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: However, Dear
      It is clear that the damned American imperialists are to blame for everything and themselves committed this infection. Only now, it looks strange, based on this version, that in America, Europe, Russia - an epidemic flares up everywhere. The numbers of infections and deaths rod up exponentially. While in China everything is fine, and quarantine in Ubei, where 60 million people live, is being removed. And the remaining 1350 million Chinese do not get sick! Who will benefit if the whole world gets sick and dies from COVID-19 except the Chinese? There are 2 options. Either the Chinese underestimate deaths and infections at home hundreds or thousands of times, or, even worse, China infected the whole world intentionally, and the outbreak in Ubei / Wuhan is a distracting maneuver.


      Gentlemen are minus signers, I don’t have a shoulder strap, so there will not be fewer bast / stars, wink but I would like to know your point of view. What do you disagree with? In Russia, 13584 are infected at the moment. This figure doubles every 5-6 days. And in China, silence and grace. So, voice your counterarguments.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 12 2020 11: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: However, Dear
        In Russia, 13584 are infected at the moment. This figure doubles every 5-6 days. And in China, silence and grace. So, voice your counterarguments.

        In Russia, in the tape (and many other stores and shops) I came across a significant number of people who do not wear masks and do not keep distance. I don’t know if they wash their hands, I often see flocks of children running in the yards, I didn’t see them wearing masks and gloves, but she grabs hold of everything that comes across. The point is the irresponsibility of part of the country's population. they do not believe that the situation is serious, they are used to demanding, but they are not used to doing something. In the United States, this is probably no less. Then, as in China, discipline is much higher, and for violation you can lose your life. Where in the Russian Federation are the most freedom-loving, demanding, and generally the most-the most? In my opinion, in Moscow. There are most of all the guests there, and all the routes lead to (through) Moscow. Actually, the answer to your question ... request
        1. bubalik
          bubalik April 12 2020 11: 46 New
          +3
          The Russian Federation is most of all the most freedom-loving, demanding, and in general, the most-the most? In my opinion, in Moscow
          ,,, everywhere is enough. If interested, take a look.

          https://jkr.ykt.ru/2020/04/12/zhitelnica-yakutska-prepyatstvuet-rabote-vrachey.html
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn April 12 2020 13: 07 New
            +7
            Kaliningrad region, Guryevsk. Private medical center "Viamar". Ignoring the decree, he worked to receive citizens (not emergency), provided services. The girl from the reception, after a trip to Germany, served the prescribed 2 weeks at home, it seems that she even took tests. I went to work and got sick 5 days later. Diagnosis, coronavirus. In 5 days, 300 people passed through it. Khan is shorter ...
            R. S. Founder of the medical center, neuropathologist of the district polyclinics. His wife (doctor), son (doctor) and other outpatient doctors work there.
            Loot steers. negative
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard April 12 2020 14: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              Kaliningrad region, Guryevsk. Private medical center "Viamar". Ignoring the decree, he worked to receive citizens (not emergency), provided services. The girl from the reception, after a trip to Germany, served the prescribed 2 weeks at home, it seems that she even took tests. I went to work and got sick 5 days later. Diagnosis, coronavirus. In 5 days, 300 people passed through it. Khan is shorter ...
              R. S. Founder of the medical center, neuropathologist of the district polyclinics. His wife (doctor), son (doctor) and other outpatient doctors work there.
              Loot steers.

              Stas, hi! hi We ruin ourselves ... request
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn April 12 2020 14: 53 New
                +4
                Hi Danil !!! hi
                Our people hid in the beginning, then they look especially they don’t drive and climbed out. Now they started to drive, again less. Fishermen began to scare. From Tuesday, special passes are introduced. So far, limited to references from the place of work. Well, all over 65, regardless of the place of work for self-isolation.
                At our bakery, there are 30 - 35% of them. In short, the "fifth point" ... sad
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard April 12 2020 14: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  In short, the "fifth point".

                  Health to all! Be careful. hi
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 12 2020 14: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: bubalik
            ,,, everywhere is enough. If interested, take a look.

            https://jkr.ykt.ru/2020/04/12/zhitelnica-yakutska-prepyatstvuet-rabote-vrachey.html

            What a tin ... Something is happening to us ... request
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx April 12 2020 18: 37 New
          -1
          I don’t know if they wash their hands, I often see flocks of children running in the yards, I didn’t see them wearing masks and gloves, but she grabs hold of everything that comes across.

          No, not mine!
          "The microbe is tender, it dies from the dirt!" (from)
          laughing
        3. However, dear
          However, dear April 12 2020 21: 01 New
          -2
          Quote: Tank Hard
          In Russia, in the tape (and many other stores and shops) I came across a significant number of people who do not wear masks and do not keep distance. I don’t know if they wash their hands, I often see flocks of children running in the yards, I didn’t see them wearing masks and gloves, but she grabs hold of everything that comes across. The point is the irresponsibility of part of the country's population. they do not believe that the situation is serious, they are used to demanding, but they are not used to doing something. In the United States, this is probably no less. Then, as in China, discipline is much higher, and for violation you can lose your life. Where in the Russian Federation are the most freedom-loving, demanding, and generally the most-the most? In my opinion, in Moscow. There are most of all the guests there, and all the routes lead to (through) Moscow. Actually, the answer to your question ...


          Thanks for answering. Minuses instructed me as much as 15, and only you decided to state your opinion. So, do you think the whole difference in discipline? Observe the quarantine - and you will not get sick? And remember the most severe Chinese quarantine. In Ubea, after quarantine was introduced on January 23, a month and a half later, the number of infected people rose from 500 to 80000 - it doesn’t really help! But the most important thing is that in the rest of China, where 1350 million live, there is no quarantine! And they do not get sick there, and in the rest of the world, including Russia, coronavirus is spreading in many places of the country. I quote myself that I already wrote in another thread. If the Chinese, after lifting the quarantine in Kill, DO NOT start to get sick again throughout the rest of the territory of 1350 million Chinese, while the epidemic will continue in Europe, America, Russia, then this is a terrible conclusion: China used biological weapons against the whole world! Yes, it is believed that biological weapons should kill a lot and quickly. Coronavirus is not like that. But imagine if this is not a direct military goal, but an economic one? Healthy Chinese will now supply the whole sick world! And when China’s main competitors weaken from the epidemic, other warfare will also be used. The rest of the Chinese should be ill. Here is the criterion, not intentional, but the natural occurrence of the virus. If 4-8 weeks after the removal of quarantine in Kill, the whole world will continue to hurt, but not the Chinese, there will be no new outbreaks, then this is war. Then, then, all of China is vaccinated with the virus, and the outbreak in Kill is a distracting maneuver, like we are also affected. What do you think now?
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 12 2020 23: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: However, Dear
            I was instructed as many as 15

            By the way, I didn’t put you cons.
            Quote: However, Dear
            So, do you think the whole difference in discipline? Observe the quarantine - and you will not get sick?

            I can express only my personal opinion, I am not an expert, my opinion is not necessary and correct, but it is. My opinion is as follows. There are necessary safety measures (masks, hygiene, distance, discipline, education and respect, finally). If these measures are not followed, nothing will help. In China: ..

            Quote: However, Dear
            And remember the most severe Chinese quarantine. In Ubea, after quarantine was introduced on January 23, a month and a half later, the number of infected people rose from 500 to 80000 - it doesn’t really help! But the most important thing is that in the rest of China, where 1350 million live, there is no quarantine! And they don’t get sick there

            I was not there, I can only express my opinion from the outside. In my amateurish opinion, there (China, Kill) a full-fledged antibiological military operation was carried out. The troops blocked the city, introduced quarantine and all related measures (disinfection, medical assistance, etc.). For violation of the regime - the death penalty + "understanding" and discipline of Chinese citizens.
            Quote: However, Dear
            Yes, it is believed that biological weapons should kill a lot and quickly. Coronavirus is not like that.

            There are different opinions ...
            Quote: However, Dear
            Then, then, all of China is vaccinated with the virus,

            I can’t know that, but I'm a skeptic. I believe only what I know, I myself have seen and whom I know whom I can trust, or I agree with the opinion of those whom I consider relatively unbiased, adequate and reasonable (until I was convinced with real evidence)
            Quote: However, Dear
            What do you think now?

            At the moment, I think this is a biological weapon used by the United States. This country is not particularly picky about the means to achieve the goal, if they really need it (including disregard for their own citizens, if it is necessary for "business", remember Vietnam and "Agent Orange"). There are many examples.
            The bombing of Dresden together with Great Britain on February 13-15, 1945, when from 100 to 275 thousand German citizens were killed and not all of them were military, and the Reich had almost ended its existence. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs for the first time in human history (!!!). According to various estimates, from 90 to 166 thousand people died in Hiroshima and from 60 to 80 thousand people in Nagasaki. Why, if Japan has already lost the war? And these are peaceful citizens at their core! Yugoslavia, a country in Europe, which was bombed with depleted uranium shells as well. Iraq, where the test tube was invented and a huge number of civilians died. And finally, the film "Hammarskjold's Hopeless Case", which describes the disgusting way and history of the emergence of HIV-AIDS, and the use of this abomination against the black population of Africa, the involvement of the CIA in this abomination, including now we can observe the consequences of this on the example of the whole world and RF in particular. Try to convince me that China created this virus, not the United States. So far, your statements are not convincing ... request
            1. However, dear
              However, dear April 13 2020 02: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Try to convince me that it was China that created this virus, not the United States.


              I, too, only state my opinion. And I also take information from open sources. I speak English, so I take information from the "enemy" media too. Also, I have no task to change anyone's opinion. Today I literally came across a documentary about the origins of COVID-19. Film from April 7th, almost an hour running, in English. https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic
              In short, they sorted out on the shelves that KOVID-19 was assembled in Wuhan from at least 3 other laboratory viruses. Its components were not biological weapons, like KOVID-19 itself, since all this has been published in respected scientific journals since 2007. It turned out that there was a leak. Unknown, intentional or accidental. It turned out that the Chinese authorities quickly quarantined the 60 millionth Kill, but did not immediately warn WHO and the whole world. This explains why the rest of China has not been sick so far! 2 months, tourists from China traveled around the world and spread the infection.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard April 13 2020 09: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: However, Dear
                I, too, only state my opinion. And I also take information from open sources. I speak English, so I take information from the "enemy" media too. Also, I have no task to change anyone's opinion. Today I literally came across a documentary about the origins of COVID-19. Film from April 7th, almost an hour running, in English. https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic
                In short, they sorted out on the shelves that KOVID-19 was assembled in Wuhan from at least 3 other laboratory viruses. Its components were not biological weapons, like KOVID-19 itself, since all this has been published in respected scientific journals since 2007. It turned out that there was a leak. Unknown, intentional or accidental. It turned out that the Chinese authorities quickly quarantined the 60 millionth Kill, but did not immediately warn WHO and the whole world. This explains why the rest of China has not been sick so far! 2 months, tourists from China traveled around the world and spread the infection

                Anything can be. Maybe the way you write. But, I repeat, I do not trust the Americans in general and the English-speaking sources, the "freedom of speech" is controlled there too (in my opinion). Their "affairs" have been known for a long time, and especially after being tested in the UN. They are masters in lies. So I don’t believe it. hi
                1. However, dear
                  However, dear April 19 2020 00: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Masters they are a lie. So I don’t believe it.


                  But only 5 days later. It seems that I was not mistaken in the forecasts.
                  The time of “difficult questions”: what the West suspects of China.
                  New countries join the criticism of China because of the situation with the coronavirus. Now, not only Washington, but also London and Paris accuse Beijing of hiding data on a new disease. More and more new information about COVID-19 appears in the media, which is critical for states fighting this disease. At the level of top officials, statements are beginning to sound about the need to conduct an investigation to find out how the "Chinese virus" has spread throughout the world.

                  [media = https: //www.gazeta.ru/politics/2020/04/18_a_13053925.shtml]
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard April 19 2020 00: 51 New
                    0
                    Quote: However, Dear
                    But only 5 days later. It seems that I was not mistaken in the forecasts.

                    hi hi Hello, hello. I repeat, perhaps you are right, but I do not trust these accusations, because I remember too well the whole theater that they organized, and the Skripals case as well. The arguments of my disbelief I have already cited above. I do not believe liars (USA, Britain, Europe) ... repeat repeat
                    1. However, dear
                      However, dear April 19 2020 00: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      perhaps you are right, but I do not trust these accusations, because I remember too well the whole theater that they organized, and the Skripals case as well. The arguments of my disbelief I have already cited above. I do not believe liars (USA, Britain, Europe) ...


                      Hello Daniel. I would venture to give another forecast. It did not take long to wait for Russia to have the same questions for China about the coronavirus. hi
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard April 19 2020 09: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: However, Dear
                        Hello Daniel. I would venture to give another forecast. It did not take long to wait for Russia to have the same questions for China about the coronavirus.

                        It will be interesting. We will see. hi
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 12 2020 06: 32 New
    +7
    If anyone dies humanity, it will be ourselves!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 12 2020 07: 39 New
    +4
    The answer to the question "who launched the coronavirus" will redraw the entire political map of the world and destroy states and alliances. This is, of course, if intelligence gets to the bottom of the truth, and the political leader dares to bring evidence to public display.
    1. fif21
      fif21 April 12 2020 08: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It’s of course, if intelligence gets to the truth,

      After carefully reading the article, you will understand that intelligence warned the Government. But the information was not underestimated. Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself. hi
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 12 2020 07: 39 New
    +3
    In general, I would not be happy if the Yankees deliberately released the virus in China, in the hope of inflicting a strong blow on the economy of competitors. But, the virus in the wild did not behave like in the laboratory - it mutated, and very easily got "home" to the states!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 12 2020 08: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      In general, I won’t be surprised if the Yankees intentionally released the virus in China, in the hope of inflicting a severe blow on the economies of competitors. But, the virus in the wild behaved differently than it did in the laboratory — it mutated, and very easy to get "home" to the states!
      Along the way, this virus still has mattress citizenship and left the states as a "tourist" to tour around the world.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn April 13 2020 12: 34 New
      +1
      2014, Poroshenko: - We have something to answer Russia!
      (downed Boeing MH17)
      2019, Trump: - We have something to answer for China!
      (pandemic covid-19)

      Coincidence? I do not think.
  • Eirik Krause
    Eirik Krause April 12 2020 07: 44 New
    +2
    In China, they conducted only a test test of the virus, having prepared in advance, which is why it was possible to suppress the epidemic, in the USA the people were infected from the fall of 2019: people with COVID19 symptoms started to die back in December 2019, but the scars on the lungs were attributed to the use of hookahs and wipes - there was a whole company in the news from the states

    There in the USA - A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFECTED FROM AUTUMN

    2019 OF THE YEAR BECAUSE AND DO NOT ENTER QUARANTINE - NON SENSE

    BECAUSE AND IT IS USELESS TO FIGHT THE VIRUS: THE STATES ARE DOOMED - LIVING THERE WILL BE ANCIENT TO THE DEAD! This is a conspiracy!
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 12 2020 08: 07 New
    +4
    Elites are cowardly and greedy. The start of the “crown” was unlikely to have a planned “sabotage” character. The consequences are too devastating and unpredictable. Well, maybe some "doctor evil" tried.
    The Internet will not help to understand the problem. Now everyone has become "virologists". But big money and the possibilities of the network will easily bury the truth about the conception of the virus.
    It remains only to analyze the consequences and protect health.
  • fif21
    fif21 April 12 2020 08: 48 New
    +5
    The number of victims from "studies" and in fact from the improvement of biological weapons is growing. A war of annihilation has been declared on the human population. And who will be responsible for this? How do these "scientists" differ from the German doctor Mengle? There is a laboratory in the millionth Novosibirsk, why not in Moscow?
    Conclusion: US governments, China do not fulfill their main responsibility - to ensure the safety of citizens living on their territories. What was undertaken after the onset of SARS, avian, swine flu .... Nothing! The dead were buried, the source of the threat was not eliminated. hi
  • jekasimf
    jekasimf April 12 2020 09: 14 New
    +2
    The Han are not only the ethnic majority within China, but also the largest nation in the world. They make up 19% of the total population of the Earth.
    Source: https://mychinaexpert.ru/nacionalnyj-sostav-kitaya/

    And it is the Chinese city of Wuhan, not only the center of China and the largest transportation hub. But also the center of residence of the State-forming nation of Han, if I decided to organize a bacteriological attack on China. I couldn’t find a more ideal place. And, of course, if you create a virus, The Han people, or rather, their genotype, are just the perfect target!
    But the creators of the virus did not take into account that the Chinese (Hantsev) on the territory of the "creator" (with a small letter), more than 5 million live. And these are only officials! And how many students, illegal immigrants ?! And, of course, they did not think that the virus will mutate and devour other genotypes ...
  • Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK April 12 2020 10: 04 New
    +7
    It turns out that quoting yourself, your beloved, is a good occupation)))))))))))))))))))))))

    "Pacifist with AK (Alexey) 8 March 25, 2020 19:22
    +4
    COVID-19. This is not flu!
    Sorry, I can't document it, but from the correspondence with my friend, a childhood friend, whom I will conditionally call a "virologist in uniform" (I don't want any troubles for a person, he lives in the capital of the Russian Federation), I made a strong conviction about the artificial origin of the virus. In his expert environment, they are confident that there are foreign insertions (loci) in the virus genome that are not characteristic of any of the known coronaviruses. I repeat, the infa is not documented, but the comrade has always been honest and consistent in his judgments .... "
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 12 2020 11: 11 New
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    August 31 2019 The New York Times has been warning the whole world about an outbreak of new respiratory illnesses in the United States, the reasons for which at that time were associated with newfangled vapes.

    1October 8–27, 2019 years and after which the first patients with a new respiratory syndrome appeared. In the city for several days there were at least 200 US troops who could well be carriers of the coronavirus.

    No docking is obtained! If America began, then the epidemic in it began after 6 months from the date specified by the author! I wonder where the virus has been hiding for six months, the aggressiveness of which is well known.
    The same China: the first patient appeared at the end of December 2019 in Wuhan, and after January 24 (less than a month later) Wuhan with surrounding areas was closed due to an epidemic.
    It turns out that America hid the epidemic for six months? It's impossible!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 12 2020 18: 23 New
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      Quote: Overlock
      It turns out that America hid the epidemic for six months? It's impossible!

      And even that which cannot be - one day it can also be.
      More than a billion people live in China. The outbreak was in December, and already in March, they reported that they had muzzled the coronavirus. A little more than 300 million people live in the United States, but the infection has covered all states, and the number of cases has exceeded half a million people. Perhaps this is possible only if the authorities knew about the problem, but did not intentionally light up their awareness until there was reason to withdraw from themselves the involvement in the pandemic and to turn the attention of the world community to China. In addition, their commercial issue is ripe for them, to punish China by canceling obligations on a debt that exceeds one trillion American rubles. The funeral of 100 thousand Americans will cost less. What is not a reason?
  • Operator
    Operator April 12 2020 11: 23 New
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    Clarification - the patented coronavirus SHC014-MA15 was synthesized in 2015 by a grant from the US Department of Health as a result of the work of specialists from the University of North Carolina, and not Fort Detrick. Two Chinese scientists from the Wuhan Institute of Virology took part in the contract.

    The Army Biological Laboratory at Fort Detrick was closed in August 2019 after the accidental flooding of a physical decontamination facility for laboratory waste using superheated steam (as a result of a flood) and a switch to chemical decontamination. The closure of the laboratory was carried out following an inspection by the Federal Agency for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) due to the emergence in the United States of a new type of pneumonia with an "unknown" pathogen. By the end of 2019, over 2800 people have suffered from this disease, mostly using smoking mixtures.

    In February 2020, CDC Director Robert Redfield, testifying in the relevant committee of the House of Representatives of the US Congress, said that the causative agent of the new type of pneumonia does not apply to influenza, SARS or MERS. After the congressman asked about the attitude of the pathogen to SARS-COV2, the video of the committee meeting was interrupted.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 12 2020 12: 35 New
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    Every version must be proved. For example, I think AIDS came out of the laboratory. When Notre Dame was burning, the Russian Orthodox Church called it a very bad sign. And I completely agree with this. Why? When the fire happened, ordinary people, the billionaires began to make donations. Before that, they looked languidly at the destruction of this historic cathedral. The same thing is happening now. Our most allies in the fight against coronavirus are a large territory and free medicine. There, where paid medicine is now reaping the fruits of their carelessness. But the USSR left us free medicine. Someone tried to dump her. And we would be like everyone else now.
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  • evgenij.rudikov
    evgenij.rudikov April 12 2020 13: 10 New
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    According to recent reports, the first diseases of unknown pneumonia appeared in China and Italy in late November. So in China, the first sick person dates from 17.11.2019/14/03.11.2019. Given the incubation period of up to XNUMX days, we get that the infection did not occur earlier than the first days of November. The most probable date is November XNUMX, XNUMX. Thus, given
    conspiracy theories (3.11.2019. Day of the beginning of the Great Collapse of the United States? / New World m / idgard-edem.org>? p = 8323), the most likely place of infection in Seattle, where the terrorist act was planned. There were assumptions up to the detonation of nuclear charges. In fact, it probably happened, only with the use of a biological weapon, the covid-19 virus, presumably from the Fotr-Deytrick laboratory. The perpetrators of the terrorist act are the US Deep State and American intelligence agencies. The customer is the global elite. The purpose of this action is to change the world order by launching a financial and economic crisis.
    The centers where the first outbreaks of infection were recorded are connected by direct air links to Seattle. The United States, which has suffered the most today, is also on the list, which is obvious since Seattle is located in the United States. Most likely, the infection occurred at once in several centers (several strains of this virus were possibly used at once) via arriving passengers from
    Seattle It can be assumed that the infection was somehow introduced precisely
    on airplanes in which passengers were infected. The spread of the virus began on 03.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX at the places of arrival of aircraft from Seattle. The virus was discovered for the first time in Wuhan since there is a biological laboratory. Therefore, the occurrence of infection is associated with China, where it was discovered. Probably, the beginning of the epidemic in China was planned due to certain interests of global and American elites. The rapid spread and a large number of cases in Europe, is precisely due to the later detection of infection.
    It’s no coincidence
    script clearly indicate subsequent events and media behavior
    controlled by world elites, in particular, the escalation of panic almost from the moment of detection of the virus in China. Moreover, panic is clearly superior to the threat of the coronovirus itself, i.e. coronovirus with pronounced "psychological" properties. It seems that the media was just waiting for the virus to finally be detected. Note that the epidemic began just before the start of the economic crisis, which will lead to a significant drop in the living standards of the countries of the "golden" billion. All problems can be attributed to the coronovirus epidemic, including a decline in living standards.
    The possibility of this version can be checked by examining passengers arriving from Seattle on 03.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX for the presence of antibodies to the virus. Due to the fact that the symptoms of the disease are close to the symptoms of influenza and acute respiratory viral infections, the first patients did not pay attention until a sufficient number of severe cases appeared by the end of December.
    For elites who have planned and implemented this, the time sequence for countries is important because of the achievement of certain goals.
    In addition to the above, there is an interesting article dated April 10th. Three different strains of coronavirus are spreading in the world, scientists say.
    Joe Pinkstone, April 10, 2020
    Here are excerpts from the article
    "The results showed that type A is most common in Australia and the United States, where over 400 cases of COVID-19 have been reported. Two-thirds of the American samples were type A, but the infected patients were mostly from the West Coast, not from New York, "the article says.
    "Dr. Peter Forster and his team found that the prevalence is mainly of type B in the UK: this is the strain identified in three quarters of the samples. In Switzerland, Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, type B is also dominant. Another variant, type C , descended from type B and came to Europe via Singapore. "

    It is unlikely that infection with three strains of the virus occurred almost simultaneously naturally. Therefore, it is entirely possible that null patients appeared on 03.11.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX departing from Seattle.
  • Yurih
    Yurih April 12 2020 13: 41 New
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    Coronavirus made not in China, it is made in FBI. You can build the further logical chain yourself. The economic crisis of 2008 did not help to destroy people - they invented the coronavirus, the coronavirus will not help - they will invent something else. According to the elite, there are many "superfluous people" on the planet, so bacteriological weapons (coronavirus) were used. In fact, this is the most common flu epidemic. Drink tea from young pine needles regularly and eat lemon with sugar, and the coronavirus will not touch you.
  • 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 12 2020 13: 58 New
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    The United States and Trump are demanding recognition of China as a breeding ground for the pandemic. Well, I see - the hat is on the thief! yes You can say it is blazing!
  • UserGun
    UserGun April 12 2020 15: 05 New
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    It is ridiculous to read about the artificial creation of this infection and to seek a conspiracy conspiracy. On the site of the author, I would better deal with the problem when, due to warming, vast territories, previously covered with ice and permafrost, are freed. That's where the klondike for all evil spirits))) By the way, in all seriousness. No one can guarantee that the frozen dirty trick, thawing does not show itself again.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 12 2020 18: 41 New
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      Quote: UserGun
      Due to warming, vast territories, previously covered with ice and permafrost, are freed. That's where the klondike for all evil spirits))) By the way, in all seriousness. No one can guarantee that the frozen dirty trick, thawing does not show itself again.
      It is what it is. The fact that mammoths became extinct due to the onset of glaciers is just one of the versions. At least in the same permafrost layers are found the remains of both mammoths and others - woolly rhinos, horses, wolves, which indicates that the animals died en masse and not by individual species. Birds fly in the spring to nests in the Arctic, where they can catch a thawed bacillus and transfer it to winter in the same China in the fall.
      Quote: UserGun
      It is ridiculous to read about the artificial creation of this infection and to seek a conspiracy conspiracy. On the site of author I would be better off ...
      Better not. Afftor afftorovo, Caesar Caesarean, our commentary, we ... Yes, actually, the author does not write on his own, but summarizes information from various sources, based on which far from unambiguous conclusions can be made about the natural nature of the virus. I doubt that bacteriological laboratories are engaged exclusively in examining the hairs on the forehead of a mosquito and onion peel with a microscope.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun April 13 2020 09: 38 New
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        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Afftor afftorovo, Caesar Caesarean, our commentary, to us ... Yes, actually, the author does not write on his own, but summarizes information from various sources, based on which far from unambiguous conclusions can be made about the natural nature of the virus.


        Yes, to be honest, I do not care, but somehow it's still funny to me, yes. On such opuses.
  • Valery Potapov
    Valery Potapov April 13 2020 09: 09 New
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    The fact that the world is ruled by the half-crazy was clear for a long time ... But as it turned out, they are spreading before our eyes, like little children driving a tank ... It is not for nothing that they kept and keep so many bacteriological laboratories in the USA and around Russia ... One well, their own test tube and dropped headless ...
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) April 13 2020 22: 28 New
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    No matter what skeptics say from the scientific community
    and the views still don't smell, yes, Evgeny Fedorov?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 13 2020 22: 32 New
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    And how they are trying to blame the Chinese, already eyes from the eye sockets from zeal. As it is in Amerovsky, to shit and put the blame on others.
  • itis
    itis April 14 2020 00: 26 New
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    Despite the pictures (in different radiation ranges) of the virus itself and healthy human lungs, I would venture to suggest that all the same, natural RNA, simply by extrapolating, these ARIs with complications will be more and more, ptm that one friend of mine (a teacher by the way) eats antibiotics like a horse for every sneeze and thrush, and you can’t convince in any way that this is kapets how harmful for the entire population. We will "ache", pharmacists will bend the corner on vaccines. Everything will be on its own
  • Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin April 14 2020 01: 32 New
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    Systematic delusions of persecution
    1. agond
      agond April 14 2020 15: 13 New
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      The high danger of the virus can be explained by the fact that it constantly mutates and therefore a sick person being treated in a medical center can be additionally infected there with different forms of the virus from other patients, which dramatically complicates its cure.
  • DDT
    DDT April 30 2020 12: 53 New
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    A kind of virus. The worst thing is that the consequences for the economy are no worse than World War II. Either he is really creepy things, or they don’t agree on us, they just take us by the nose. Moreover, judge for yourself which country will voluntarily lose billions due to some kind of virus there? Or maybe everything is more prosaic? With radiation infection, they also wear masks. With a lack of oxygen in the atmosphere, the elderly are also the first to die. So little information that complete expanse for all sorts of conspiracy theories.
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