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In the US, they offer to punish China for the coronavirus pandemic

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In the US, they offer to punish China for the coronavirus pandemic

In the US, they offer to punish China for the coronavirus pandemic. A proposal was made by US Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News.


According to the senator, China must answer for the death of Americans due to coronavirus infection and unemployment. Graham is sure that the pandemic began because of the Chinese authorities and the US is obliged to punish China and "make it change its behavior." The senator proposes not to repay American debt to China, but to write it off.

The pandemic began due to the Chinese government and its behavior. This is the third disease from China. And I want to start writing off part of our debt to China, because it is they who must pay us, not we to them!

Graham said, adding that China must be punished so severely that "it would hold him back in the future."

According to the latest data provided by Johns Hopkins University, as of April 11, 503177 coronavirus infections were officially recorded in the United States, 18761 died from infection, 27314 people recovered.

Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump announced a new forecast for the number of coronavirus victims. According to him, less than 100 thousand Americans will die due to the disease, approximately 55 thousand to 75 thousand victims are expected.

They used to say that the minimum number will be from 100 thousand to 225 thousand victims and up to 2,2 million lives if nothing is done. Now it seems that there will be much less than 100 thousand

- said the American president.

It is reported that against the backdrop of a new forecast, the US authorities even suspended the construction of temporary hospitals.
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  1. Mytholog
    Mytholog April 11 2020 12: 58 New
    41
    Loudest of all "Hold the thief!" - Usually the thief shouts.
    And speaking of the States, they have a way to clean the naive: to blame, to make excuses and to clean their pockets under the guise.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 11 2020 13: 07 New
      11
      Quote: Mytholog
      And speaking of the States, they have a way to clean the naive: to blame, to make excuses and to clean their pockets under the guise.

      Senator Graham, the initiator of this nonsense, the notorious Russophobe bastard.

      He vehemently initiated anti-Russian sanctions.

      But denyuzhku China will have to return, otherwise EVERYTHING will spit on such treacherous debtors ....
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 11 2020 13: 31 New
        14
        The USSR no longer exists, but "the evil that he embodied lives and lives" in present-day Russia, said US Senator Lindsay Graham.
        And this character is anti-communist, and this is a classic. Russophobia and anti-communism are always hand in hand.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog April 11 2020 13: 44 New
          +8
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Russophobia and anti-communism are always hand in hand.

          Thinly spotted good
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 11 2020 14: 04 New
            +4
            British scientists have proven:
            After analyzing the genetic history of the virus, researchers from Cambridge concluded that it mutated during its spread throughout the world.
            The original type of virusthat was passed on to people turned out to be most common in Australia and the USA. Scientists called it "Type A." He later mutated into “Type B,” which caused an epidemic in China. Residents of Europe are more likely to see "type C", which is a subsidiary of "type B". Scientists emphasize that coronavirus continues to mutate.
            https://lenta.ru/news/2020/04/11/tri/
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 April 12 2020 01: 52 New
              -1
              Senator proposes not to repay American debt to China, but to write it off

              But does the United States generally repay debts?
              US debt is only growing every year.
              This means that the US "gives back" the old debts only on the condition that they will be given more new debts. And China is the largest investor.
              Refusing to repay US debts will lose investment. Giant investment.
              1. Grits
                Grits April 12 2020 05: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Shurik70
                Is the United States generally repays debts

                Something I also hear for the first time that a highway robber, a robber, a murderer and a rapist in one person would repay someone. I wonder who dared to drive him into debt and how?
        2. albert
          albert April 11 2020 18: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Russophobia and anti-communism are always hand in hand.

          The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe, it has long been known.
    2. knn54
      knn54 April 11 2020 13: 42 New
      17
      Coronavirus for the USA.
      -Translate the arrows to China, thereby getting rid of their own mistakes.
      - write off debts to China.
      -to get rid of "extra" mouths.
      -to conduct SCALE exercises close to the real situation.
      - stock up to the maximum with cheap oil for your refineries.
      -increase the number of "slaves" of the Fed / IMF.
      -blow on the economy, in particular import substitution, Russia.
      WHAT have I not listed?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 11 2020 13: 48 New
        10
        Quote: knn54
        WHAT have I not listed?

        Accuse the Russian Federation of interference in internal affairs
        To impose new sanctions on the Russian Federation
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 11 2020 14: 18 New
        12
        Quote: knn54
        WHAT have I not listed?

        a small victorious war, preferably with the wrong hands. For example: Turkey, Russia, Iran. Who with whom is not important
      3. Shelest2000
        Shelest2000 April 11 2020 17: 40 New
        +4
        WHAT have I not listed?

        That this virus and epidemic appeared very in time for the USA
        - China is catching up with the United States in terms of GDP, and in some positions it is already overtaking,
        - The US trade war with China, which is not the best way affects the US economy and its image in the world,
        - production in China of high-tech products and high-quality and high-precision production - a competitor to American companies
        - the possibility (I hope, probable, but not real) of zeroing laughing trillion debt to China.
        - etc. etc.
        T.ch. very in time this virus appeared. Very.
      4. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 11 2020 18: 38 New
        +5
        Quote: knn54
        Coronavirus for the USA.
        -Translate the arrows to China, thereby getting rid of their own mistakes.
        - write off debts to China.
        -to get rid of "extra" mouths.
        -to conduct SCALE exercises close to the real situation.
        - stock up to the maximum with cheap oil for your refineries.
        -increase the number of "slaves" of the Fed / IMF.
        -blow on the economy, in particular import substitution, Russia.
        WHAT have I not listed?
        - To buy for nothing the shares of bankrupt or bankrupt companies around the world.
    3. Finches
      Finches April 11 2020 13: 49 New
      +8
      Lindsay Graham, the glorious successor of the case of John McCain and Brzezinski - stupid as a pilot McCain and no less otrusofobinny as a Pole Brzezinski, only the first characteristic is very disturbing to the second! The result is a glorious clowning! laughing
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 11 2020 13: 56 New
        +1
        In China, in addition to coronavirus infection, and the "collision" of Americans, another misfortune happened ...

        Fire at Chinese UDC type 075

        Fire at the latest Chinese UDC type 075, which was being completed at a shipyard in Shanghai.
        The ship was built at an accelerated pace ahead of schedule and was to become the first ship of this type, which was to be fully commissioned this year.
        Further prospects will depend on how large the damage from the extinguished fire is.


        Based on materials Learn Colonel Cassad









        UDC type 075 before the fire
        1. D16
          D16 April 11 2020 21: 21 New
          +1
          Fire at Chinese UDC type 075

          They are welders. Notre Dame Cathedral Remember? This is not for you UDC laughing .
    4. Observer2014
      Observer2014 April 11 2020 14: 08 New
      -8
      Quote: Mytholog
      Loudest of all "Hold the thief!" - Usually the thief shouts.
      And speaking of the States, they have a way to clean the naive: to blame, to make excuses and to clean their pockets under the guise.

      Yeah. And why are all of us. Literally all the elites hang out there to one degree or another? laughing Maybe because there are people like you in the world? winked
    5. Mwg
      Mwg April 11 2020 15: 39 New
      +1
      You can get fucked by the arrogance of "friends of the whole world." They think that if they agreed with the main players, no one understands what is happening. Carthage must be destroyed !!!
      1. oldzek
        oldzek April 11 2020 17: 37 New
        +1
        Well, they give for a big puddle! China to punish for coronovirus, Spain for influenza, Russia for anthrax ... what else ... oh yes forgot France to punish a French runny nose, and they are sufferers in Fashington and are not guilty of anything.
        1. D16
          D16 April 11 2020 21: 25 New
          +1
          and they are sufferers in the Fashington and are not to blame for anything.

          They are to blame for coffee, tobacco, potato riots and syphilis. Well, in tequila to the heap laughing .
    6. Alex_T
      Alex_T April 13 2020 07: 39 New
      0
      It seems that the virus from bats that infects the lungs has been artificially bred. The work on the virus was ordered by the United States Department and is described in a scientific article from 2015: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
  2. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 11 2020 12: 59 New
    +3
    guys are still in the clouds .... you have no punishment against China.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter April 11 2020 13: 43 New
      +9
      Quote: Azazelo
      guys are still in the clouds .... you have no punishment against China

      Just the only one is ... To annul debt securities worth a trillion dollars ... why didn't Russia “fasten” it? And Russia wisely got rid of these pieces of paper ... in advance ...
      1. Peter is not the first
        Peter is not the first April 11 2020 13: 52 New
        +3
        If the Chinese had felt a real threat to their investment in America, they would have already begun to sell debt receipts, and if this is not the case, then they believe that this senator will remain in the minority in the Senate on this issue.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter April 11 2020 13: 58 New
          -1
          Quote: Peter is not the first
          If the Chinese felt a real threat to their investment in America, they would have already begun to sell debt notes

          They have a LOT. The quick implementation of such an amount would lead to a collapse in their prices ... and the Chinese are greedy. Really considered the possible losses, and decided that it would cost ... now they will lose EVERYTHING !!!
          They can, really ... We know how the striped-eared juggle with international law, sanctions and other things ... They decide that it is more profitable to clean China - and clean ...
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 11 2020 14: 22 New
            +9
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            They decide that it is more profitable to clean China - and they will clean ...

            it is even possible, an example of Huawei is
      2. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 11 2020 14: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Just the only one is ... Annul debt of a trillion dollars ...


        To cancel your debt obligations means the collapse of the entire state economy and the dollar as a world currency as a whole. After such a step, such an outflow of capital from the states will begin that America has not yet seen and no one else wants to invest in the American economy. I’m more likely to believe that Trump will repeat Kennedy’s fate than the US will cancel its debts. In general, all these statements of the senator for domestic consumption, and have no real power.
        1. Quat
          Quat April 11 2020 15: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Just the only one is ... Annul debt of a trillion dollars ...


          To cancel your debt obligations means the collapse of the entire state economy and the dollar as a world currency as a whole. After such a step, such an outflow of capital from the states will begin that America has not yet seen and no one else wants to invest in the American economy.

          If this was the first time the US had written off its debts.
          They already froze the money of Iraq, Kazakhstan, Syria, Venezuela, Russia.
          So, is the dollar gone?

          Conversations have begun, it means that a signal has been sent to those in power, the mission is active.
          The Americans previously discussed recovering from China on railway roads, that is, they are looking for a weighty argument for the public.
          The United States will accuse China of creating a coronavirus and annul the debt, no one will say a word against.

          Another thing is why the order for zeroing was received. Does debt become a painful burden?
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 April 11 2020 18: 09 New
            +3
            Quote: Quat
            If this was the first time the US had written off its debts.
            They already froze the money of Iraq, Kazakhstan, Syria, Venezuela, Russia.
            So, is the dollar gone?

            Conversations have begun, it means that a signal has been sent to those in power, the mission is active.
            The Americans previously discussed recovering from China on railway roads, that is, they are looking for a weighty argument for the public.
            The United States will accuse China of creating a coronavirus and annul the debt, no one will say a word against.

            Another thing is why the order for zeroing was received. Does debt become a painful burden?


            Freezing someone’s assets and writing off your debts are different things. Especially when it comes to the second economy in the world. What is the dollar holding on to? in demand in the world, and an economy with state military power. What happens if the US abandons its debt to a major lender? Zero his debt so to speak .... what then, you did not think? I’m not talking about the actions of China and its reciprocal steps, but how the world will perceive it, and it will perceive it very badly, all countries that have debt obligations of the states will cease to invest in the US economy and all the largest investors in the world will begin to withdraw their assets, so how nobody guarantees the safety of their assets, today you invested 10 billion dollars in the state economy and tomorrow the states will take the money and say that they owe you nothing, and what will it lead to? To the collapse of the Fed and all of western globalization as a whole. Therefore, the United States simply cannot take such a step, no matter what it says, and the Senator’s statements are cheap populism that does not take into account the consequences that these actions will lead to.
            1. Kurare
              Kurare April 12 2020 11: 41 New
              0
              Therefore, the United States simply cannot take such a step, no matter what it says, and the Senator’s statements are cheap populism that does not take into account the consequences that these actions will lead to.

              hi From the point of view of sound and economic logic - you are absolutely right. But here, IMHO, there is a different case. The Americans have long been hatching plans to nullify their debts, as it has long been proven that they can never repay them.

              Senator Graham's proposal is to prepare the ground for a possible zeroing of debts. The United States needs to enlist the support of its allies so that they do not condemn the actions of the states. It will be a long process and the Americans have long been on this road.
      3. user1212
        user1212 April 11 2020 14: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Void Trillion Dollar Debt Securities ...

        This is stupidity. If China cannot use the US debt instruments, then there will be nothing to sell for them, and since almost everything in the world is done in China ... we will not even recall the nationalization of American enterprises in China ...
  3. Mebius
    Mebius April 11 2020 13: 01 New
    +2
    Well, all this tramp was created just for this. Russia is struggling with a drop in oil, and the United States owes China 5 trillion ... The suits are being prepared by the bastards!
    I hope we will be together against this next tricky undertaking of the West .. And then we will present them for everything?
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 11 2020 14: 14 New
      +8
      And nobody drove Russia into oil and gas dependence. No need to lament here.
      1. Mebius
        Mebius April 11 2020 16: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Deniska999
        And nobody drove Russia into oil and gas dependence. No need to lament here.

        And who drove her there .. Semibankirshchina, if you allow me to remind you in the 90s.
        Now, of course, many people are shouting, this is not us .. But it’s worth reminding you when you brought down everything that could work in the USSR and impose your own on us ..etc.

        These are only officials ... And what was going on inside the country?
        So there is no need to drive here that we are on an oil needle .. So far, everything is fine! Resist and stock is available .. hi
        And the eternal battle, the Russians only dream of peace ..
  4. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 April 11 2020 13: 01 New
    12
    they, these amerikosy ... sometimes seem aliens. avatars saving Earthlings.
    -And in fact, just "gopnik" from the highway)
  5. DeusExMachina
    DeusExMachina April 11 2020 13: 03 New
    +4
    On the thief and the hat is on?
  6. Karaul73
    Karaul73 April 11 2020 13: 03 New
    +7
    All save America. Guard. Another democratic initiative turns out to be a banal robbery.
  7. HAM
    HAM April 11 2020 13: 04 New
    +4
    Well, that’s the reason they found to write off the debt.
    Honor and conscience do not hold the Yankees .... hi
    He who is insolent is stronger laughing
  8. Lelek
    Lelek April 11 2020 13: 10 New
    +1
    (Graham said, adding that China must be punished so severely that "it would hold him back in the future.")

    Think right, Mr. Graham, put shit in your mouth and spit east. bully
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 11 2020 13: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Lelek
      Think right, Mr. Graham, put shit in your mouth and spit east.

      I especially always liked the phrase
      "make him change his behavior."

      The same thing was said to Russia.
      It's like in kindergarten teacher
      "How are you behaving !!!!angry " laughing
  9. mvg
    mvg April 11 2020 13: 11 New
    +5
    The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.

    I like it
    1. Liam
      Liam April 11 2020 13: 19 New
      -10
      Quote: mvg
      The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.

      I like it

      Over the past 30 years, China has infected the world 4 times with epidemics and always growing. This time it came to a pandemic with terrifying humanitarian and economic consequences. And each time, it lied, hid and hid the dust under the carpet until the situation got out of hand. Early or will be punished late for such behavior
      1. mvg
        mvg April 11 2020 13: 23 New
        +4
        Sooner or later will be punished for such behavior

        Too shy to ask:: Who will punish? People are very curious, experimenting.
        PS: Look at the interview of Kiryakov, for life in China. Locally similar to DPRK.
        1. Liam
          Liam April 11 2020 13: 26 New
          -7
          Quote: mvg
          Who will punish?

          Do not be shy. Those who lose tens and hundreds of thousands of their citizens and trillion losses in economies due to Chinese behavior will be punished. The cons from China begin to outweigh the pros
          1. mvg
            mvg April 11 2020 13: 40 New
            +2
            Do not be shy

            There is a good video on YouTube

            https://vk.com/video7912770_456239040?list=ce73bc95fc8db34958

            So, they will punish it? Those who for every dollar got all 100?
            PS: And who proved that this is China? Ebola, swine flu the same from there? Ordinary people suffer from this virus more, for the hundredth time he regretted that he had left the city hall ((
            1. Liam
              Liam April 11 2020 13: 42 New
              0
              They got $ 100 each, but now they’ve lost $ 200. And the capitalists can count
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 11 2020 14: 33 New
              -3
              A new type of coronovirus appeared in China, say thanks to their wonderful kitchen, they eat everything that flies, swims and new swine flu and pneumonia crawl from there, and Ebola is Africa with the same garbage in the kitchen, in everyday life and in the environment. The reality is much more mundane - all sorts of tales for idiots in the form of world conspiracies and other hats.
      2. DeusExMachina
        DeusExMachina April 11 2020 13: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Liam
        Quote: mvg
        The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.

        I like it

        Over the past 30 years, China has infected the world 4 times with epidemics and always growing. This time it came to a pandemic with terrifying humanitarian and economic consequences. And each time, it lied, hid and hid the dust under the carpet until the situation got out of hand. Early or will be punished late for such behavior

        Just no one has yet proved that “China infected” everyone with a coronavirus. Prove the guilt of the People’s Republic of China, then there will be a conversation. In the meantime, it resembles the howls of defeatists from the world of globalism, who wanted to be the first, and they were replaced by “some Chinese” .
        1. borberd
          borberd April 11 2020 16: 15 New
          +1
          And what is proof for you? 2 months of the pandemic in China and the late closure of Wuhan is no longer evidence? Concealing information and not closing borders is a deliberate and malicious act. Following the Americans, all countries affected by the virus should sue the Chinese.
          1. DeusExMachina
            DeusExMachina April 11 2020 19: 56 New
            -1
            Quote: borberd
            And what is proof for you? 2 months of the pandemic in China and the late closure of Wuhan is no longer evidence? Concealing information and not closing borders is a deliberate and malicious act. Following the Americans, all countries affected by the virus should sue the Chinese.

            A pandemic is not proof anywhere. If in any other country in the world everything lasts longer than in China, will this be proof of the original guilt of this country? Closing Wuhan? Banal measures to prevent proliferation based on population. In hiding information, not only they were noticed. With such evidence, you are not too different from the American senators, who, investigating the "Katyn murder", showed exemplary logic: "the bullets are German, which, rather, indicates the fault of the Soviet side."
            1. borberd
              borberd April 11 2020 21: 30 New
              -1
              Quote: DeusExMachina
              A pandemic is not proof anywhere.

              Seriously ... isn't it? What then is? That is, the incubation period is 2 weeks, their epidemic lasted 2 months, and they are innocent? We are serious people ...
              Quote: DeusExMachina
              If in any other country in the world everything lasts longer than in China, will this be proof of the original guilt of this country?

              This will prove that the Chinese are more disciplined than those in which it lasted longer. And this does not prove anything. This is not an argument at all.
              Quote: DeusExMachina
              Closing Wuhan? Banal measures to prevent proliferation based on population.

              What are they commonplace? The fact that the Chinese lied about the epidemic and released carriers abroad knowing that they spread the infection? And then they lied about the fact that other areas of China are not infected?
              Quote: DeusExMachina
              In hiding information, not only they were noticed. With such evidence, you are not too different from the American senators, who, investigating the "Katyn murder", showed exemplary logic: "the bullets are German, which, rather, indicates the fault of the Soviet side."

              It reminds me of a kindergarten - I'm not the only one to blame, punish both Kolya and Petya - did they lie too? In fact, they are to blame for this crisis, and must answer for it to the whole world. And the world should think about not keeping all the eggs in one basket, especially among these liars and speculators. The Japanese have already allocated $ 2 billion to transfer their enterprises to other places. The Americans also began to withdraw their factories. Let them continue. Moreover, the Chinese have long been not cheap as before.
              Do you have any fad about American senators? What you brought the German bullets, Katyn case and so on, I did not understand.
              1. DeusExMachina
                DeusExMachina April 11 2020 23: 40 New
                0
                Quote: borberd
                Quote: DeusExMachina
                A pandemic is not proof anywhere.

                Seriously ... isn't it? What then is? That is, the incubation period is 2 weeks, their epidemic lasted 2 months, and they are innocent? We are serious people ...
                Quote: DeusExMachina
                If in any other country in the world everything lasts longer than in China, will this be proof of the original guilt of this country?

                This will prove that the Chinese are more disciplined than those in which it lasted longer. And this does not prove anything. This is not an argument at all.
                Quote: DeusExMachina
                Closing Wuhan? Banal measures to prevent proliferation based on population.

                What are they commonplace? The fact that the Chinese lied about the epidemic and released carriers abroad knowing that they spread the infection? And then they lied about the fact that other areas of China are not infected?
                Quote: DeusExMachina
                In hiding information, not only they were noticed. With such evidence, you are not too different from the American senators, who, investigating the "Katyn murder", showed exemplary logic: "the bullets are German, which, rather, indicates the fault of the Soviet side."

                It reminds me of a kindergarten - I'm not the only one to blame, punish both Kolya and Petya - did they lie too? In fact, they are to blame for this crisis, and must answer for it to the whole world. And the world should think about not keeping all the eggs in one basket, especially among these liars and speculators. The Japanese have already allocated $ 2 billion to transfer their enterprises to other places. The Americans also began to withdraw their factories. Let them continue. Moreover, the Chinese have long been not cheap as before.
                Do you have any fad about American senators? What you brought the German bullets, Katyn case and so on, I did not understand.

                Surprisingly, there are so many words, but no evidence or any weighty arguments have been given.
                But it turned out to be enough just to walk superficially according to your own logic.

                Well, I’ll also analyze this stream of consciousness:
                The first thing about "not an argument at all" is exclusively for you. You were the first to write about this and now you yourself agreed that this is not an argument.
                The second, trivial, because when the infection gained enough speed of its change, that is, an increase in the number of infected people, tight isolation of the source became the only logical solution.
                Third, the entire information policy was aimed at not to breed an extra panic. In any such situation, it will simply hinder. As for the carriers, for starters, you have to prove that in each case they were sure that the person who went abroad was the carrier. You can not? So, like the rest, flies by.
                Fourth, kindergarten is all your statements on this issue. Trying to talk about the suffering of other economies is very nice, but now all this does not make sense, because the guilt has not been proven.
                Fifth, do you have any problems with the Chinese?
                Sixth, I gave a classic example of such logic in attempts to dump all dogs in one country. It is exactly the same unproven, and it is also based on arguments like:
                "Seriously ... not? And what then is? That is, the incubation period is 2 weeks, their epidemic lasted 2 months, and they are innocent? We are serious people ..."

                Therefore, if you are a really serious person (which has never been shown in the course of the dialogue), I will ask you to either support your, so far unproven accusations, with convincing arguments, or to leave and not disgrace.
                1. borberd
                  borberd April 12 2020 10: 49 New
                  -1
                  Yeah ... it's still harder with you than you saw at first.
                  1. You messed up - here is a forum, not a courtroom. When it comes to trial, evidence will be presented. And they are not very complicated, even you can understand.
                  2. Isolation occurred late when the peddlers had already dispersed around the world. And no one stopped them, the borders were not closed, other states were not warned. The information was classified and not transmitted to other countries. It looks like a conscious action aimed at spreading the infection. What would you call a person who knows that he is infected with a contagious disease and comes to visit you to talk?
                  3. Due to the fact that, according to your words, << the information policy was aimed not to breed an unnecessary panic. >> no one in the world understood what was happening and did not take appropriate protection measures. I’ll write simpler for you - Due to the fact that the Chinese (like they didn’t want to panic), now people are dying in the world and there are much more panics.
                  4. The evidence in the world is full in Italy and in other countries. Excuse - we did not know, will not work - because they knew.
                  5. I have no problems with the Chinese. With the Chinese now all countries of the world have problems. And the invoice for payment will be presented - you can have no doubt. And screams - you will not prove - this is not even a kindergarten, this is Kashchenko.
                  And you, as I understand it, have a problem with American senators. This is treated by stopping watching TV and consuming information from various sources.
                  Summarizing, I can say that I did not see any arguments from you. There was only an attempt to be rude.
                  1. DeusExMachina
                    DeusExMachina April 12 2020 11: 19 New
                    -1
                    Quote: borberd
                    Yeah ... it's still harder with you than you saw at first.
                    1. You messed up - here is a forum, not a courtroom. When it comes to trial, evidence will be presented. And they are not very complicated, even you can understand.
                    2. Isolation occurred late when the peddlers had already dispersed around the world. And no one stopped them, the borders were not closed, other states were not warned. The information was classified and not transmitted to other countries. It looks like a conscious action aimed at spreading the infection. What would you call a person who knows that he is infected with a contagious disease and comes to visit you to talk?
                    3. Due to the fact that, according to your words, << the information policy was aimed not to breed an unnecessary panic. >> no one in the world understood what was happening and did not take appropriate protection measures. I’ll write simpler for you - Due to the fact that the Chinese (like they didn’t want to panic), now people are dying in the world and there are much more panics.
                    4. The evidence in the world is full in Italy and in other countries. Excuse - we did not know, will not work - because they knew.
                    5. I have no problems with the Chinese. With the Chinese now all countries of the world have problems. And the invoice for payment will be presented - you can have no doubt. And screams - you will not prove - this is not even a kindergarten, this is Kashchenko.
                    And you, as I understand it, have a problem with American senators. This is treated by stopping watching TV and consuming information from various sources.
                    Summarizing, I can say that I did not see any arguments from you. There was only an attempt to be rude.

                    Hmm, hard case. Almost clinical.

                    So, let's start:

                    First, there is no courtroom, right. Since you argued, you and prove. You clearly could not prove. All of these “evidence will be presented” will be relevant only when they are presented. Although, if there is "evidence" at about the level to which you appeal, then the Chinese have nothing to fear
                    Second, isolation happened quite on time - such a decision is not easy even for the CCP. Again, I repeat, you either prove that you knew about each of them, or you do not make unfounded statements. They simply have no reason to simply take and ban an individual who is not suspected of being infected with a virus. About the person who KNOWS about the infection, the analogy is incorrect (they are generally incorrect - any analogy is false), because there is a qualitative difference between "letting out a person who looked healthy from a country" and "letting a patient out of a country".
                    Third, the policy of informational restriction, in the first place, was aimed at avoiding panic within their own borders. If you physically cannot understand this, then, unfortunately, explaining this to you is useless.
                    Fourth, again unsubstantiated statement. By.
                    Fifth, it will be presented not with a "bill for payment", but with a bill to write off debts on which the whole "advanced world" is sitting and you will be right in line with it: the same hysterical screeches and exclamations of the level of "ryayaya !!! punish !!!! ! pay !!!!!!! ". How small, by golly. And yes, if evidence is not presented, then they will not be able to prove guilt. If you want, you can try to talk with China from a position of strength. Only, for some reason, I think that you (you) will not like it.

                    Summing up this therapeutic conversation, I will say that:
                    Firstly, in addition to unfounded statements and emotional slogans, nothing has sounded from you.
                    Secondly, in addition to conducting discourse at the fifth grader level, you are also trying to be rude - you can immediately see the level of your education and upbringing.
                    1. borberd
                      borberd April 12 2020 11: 44 New
                      -1
                      I see. A substantive discussion with you is impossible because you are apparently a schoolboy. Therefore, never mind, continue to believe what you want. The only thing I wanted to emphasize is that they will ask the Chinese whether you like it or not. They will withdraw the factories and start producing most of their products.
                      1. DeusExMachina
                        DeusExMachina April 12 2020 11: 48 New
                        -1
                        Quote: borberd
                        I see. A substantive discussion with you is impossible because you are apparently a schoolboy. Therefore, never mind, continue to believe what you want. The only thing I wanted to emphasize is that they will ask the Chinese whether you like it or not. They will withdraw the factories and start producing most of their products.

                        It is funny that a person speaks of “faith”, who, apart from appealing to emotions, has brought nothing at all. Yes, and I never claimed that they would not be asked from them - I just noted that for this it would be necessary, first, to prove their guilt, otherwise there would be nothing to ask)
                        As for the conclusion of factories, then, alas - these are only your dreams. It so happened that capital is international. And production facilities will be located where it is more profitable. It will be beneficial in China - they will leave there. There will be no benefit in locating production in China with its workforce - it will be located in other places.
                        Well, about the "schoolboy", I will leave you alone with your own landing of thought, because even here you did not guess, which once again confirmed your level.
  10. cniza
    cniza April 11 2020 13: 12 New
    +5
    In the US, they offer to punish China for the coronavirus pandemic. A proposal was made by US Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News.


    Or maybe conduct an international investigation and identify who the real culprit or no one ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 11 2020 13: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      Or maybe conduct an international investigation and identify who the real culprit or no one ...

      He reveals only one, the traditional "Highly Like"
      Hi hi
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 11 2020 13: 19 New
    +1
    And I want to start writing off part of our debt to China, because it is they who must pay us, and not we to them!

    Here you go. Is fecit cui prodest?
    They owe them a point!
  12. fif21
    fif21 April 11 2020 13: 21 New
    +4
    We need an international investigation of what happened. Who leaked the virus? Who is creating deadly viruses? Who is funding the labs? After receiving answers to these questions - to destroy the laboratories, to bring the persons involved in the creation of viruses to criminal liability, to turn the financiers of these studies into homeless people (by issuing astronomical invoices for the damage) If this is a state program, "lower" the iron curtain in these countries. Otherwise, the world will continue to be attacked by maniacs who have imagined themselves to be rulers of the world. hi
    1. for
      for April 11 2020 13: 48 New
      -2
      Quote: fif21
      We need an international investigation of what happened. Who leaked the virus?

      And also who allowed distribution on the territory of Russia and continues to distribute it with their actions and inaction.
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 April 11 2020 14: 14 New
      +2
      Americans will be against an international investigation. Even without investigation, it’s clear to them who to hang the dogs (and bats on).
    3. LKW UE
      LKW UE April 11 2020 14: 22 New
      0
      An international investigation? Such as the downed Malaysian Boeing? That is, the one who launched the virus himself and will investigate? It’s like how in Ukraine the post-Maidan authorities decided to investigate who committed crimes on the Maidan? Yeah, they’re still investigating ...
      T.O. guilty parties will be appointed in advance and the entire investigation will be led to this.
  13. askort154
    askort154 April 11 2020 13: 24 New
    +1
    This is the third disease from China. And I want to start writing off part of our debt to China, because it is they who must pay us, and not we to them! (Senator Graham)

    And what are the first two? Said A, speak B! We all know that a lot of Chinese women live in the USA. yes
    1. krillon
      krillon April 11 2020 17: 13 New
      +3
      Yesterday, they arrested their scientist, accusing him of developing and transmitting the virus to China. In the same scenario, the Saudis were accused of attacking the twin towers 9/11.
  14. rus-5819
    rus-5819 April 11 2020 13: 25 New
    +3
    punish China for the coronavirus pandemic. A proposal was made by US Senator Lindsey Graham on Fox News.

    Sly the most respectable (senator who fell into insanity)! Wuhan laboratory was kept, including with the money of taxpayers from the USA! And the US CIA was to help them. Just like a research complex in Switzerland (it’s not so far from Northern Italy) Just like research complexes in the USA themselves. So "there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the face is crooked
  15. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 11 2020 13: 27 New
    0
    What will the Chinese answer to such a statement? And how Trump will react to such a statement of his re-singing, without the embitterment of China and the loss of his face, or even his forelock.
  16. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 11 2020 13: 31 New
    +1
    And why do not the mattresses themselves self-isolate .., sorry, self-punishment? Not the fact that the virus is Chinese. He highlie may be American. winked
  17. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish April 11 2020 13: 33 New
    0
    The Japanese clearly said: the virus is man-made. There are a lot of bacteriological laboratories in Chinas, so they made up a "gift". Yes, and Wang warned that the disease would come from yellow people and many would die. Chinas eat cats, mice, dogs, snakes. I understand that Beijing’s agents have become aroused and howls “don’t touch our Chinese brothers” will begin. Correctly, the Americans will show them to them. Chinas are lying, and they are lying about their epidemic.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 11 2020 14: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      what are the agents of Beijing

      And I thought it was a sinful thing that there are only Kremlin agents ... belay
      And here is a spy nest laughing
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner April 11 2020 14: 23 New
        +3
        laughing How so. There is a ball of special services. Who is for the Kremlin. who is for Beijing, and someone for the United States. laughing We will not point the finger. laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 11 2020 14: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: Captive
          . Who is for the Kremlin. who is for Beijing, and someone for the United States.

          And I am for any squeeze, except for a hunger strike laughing
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 11 2020 14: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      There are a lot of bacteriological laboratories in Chinas, so they made up a "gift".

      And Americans only from the Navy around the world have about 400 biological laboratories. And how many of them throughout the former USSR they riveted. And here is a question that is now very relevant. Why the Pentagon living tissue of Russian ?
      The training aviation command of the US Air Force has published a contract for the purchase of RNA samples - living tissue of Russians of the Caucasian race. The relevant tender is available on the US public procurement website. The Pentagon needs, in particular, samples of RNA molecules that are involved in the realization of human genetic information. Donors must be healthy. Tissue samples from Ukraine are not considered. Information prompts thought.
  18. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 11 2020 13: 36 New
    -5
    As for whom, but for China their punishment has not increased.
  19. vlad kave
    vlad kave April 11 2020 13: 48 New
    +2
    We recall this for 9 years already. By template everything.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 11 2020 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: vlad kave
      We recall this for 9 years already. By template everything.

      Yes, they have long been all pattern
      Remember all of their "Orange Revolution"
  20. Shkworen
    Shkworen April 11 2020 13: 52 New
    +2
    But the Chinese, on the contrary, believe that foreigners brought the virus to them, and they have nothing to do with it.
    https://twitter.com/reinamirai1/status/1248207968988016641
    Here a Russian girl, a girl living in China, writes how now those who are not of Asian appearance are ached there.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil April 11 2020 21: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Shkworen
      But the Chinese, on the contrary, believe that foreigners brought the virus to them, and they have nothing to do with it.
      The Chinese: "It’s not us who scolded, it’s the Americans who put us on our pants"
  21. svp67
    svp67 April 11 2020 14: 09 New
    0
    Oh ... it began .... But such their "Wishlist" can lead to a real war "hot".
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 11 2020 14: 10 New
    +2
    True to their principles. They themselves created a problem, they hung it on others.
  23. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 11 2020 14: 11 New
    -5
    Quote: Insurgent
    In China, in addition to coronavirus infection, and the "collision" of Americans, another misfortune happened ...

    In China, in addition to coronavirus infection, and the "collision" of Americans, another misfortune struck ..
    .Money in tyrnete start collecting to help. wink
  24. Klingon
    Klingon April 11 2020 14: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: DeusExMachina
    Quote: Liam
    Quote: mvg
    The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.

    I like it

    Over the past 30 years, China has infected the world 4 times with epidemics and always growing. This time it came to a pandemic with terrifying humanitarian and economic consequences. And each time, it lied, hid and hid the dust under the carpet until the situation got out of hand. Early or will be punished late for such behavior

    Just no one has yet proved that “China infected” everyone with a coronavirus. Prove the guilt of the People’s Republic of China, then there will be a conversation. In the meantime, it resembles the howls of defeatists from the world of globalism, who wanted to be the first, and they were replaced by “some Chinese” .

    you don’t know that they don’t need evidence or they will say that there is evidence, but we can’t show them to you because they are secret wassat
  25. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 11 2020 14: 21 New
    +3
    In the US, they offer to punish China for the coronavirus pandemic. US Senator Lindsey Graham made a related proposal on Fox News

    Complete nonsense!
    The fact that the Chinese eat dogs and bats, it’s really time to tie up to the point of sanctions, because you don’t.
    But punishing China for spreading the coronavirus is somehow stupid.
    If the US health system was not ready, then where does China?
    Did any sick Chinese man spit in their mouths for every infected American, or did the Americans themselves not wash their hands and are not able to sit at home exactly two or three weeks?
    The Chinese coped with the virus very much, the death penalty for distribution strongly encouraged them to stay at home and not lean out.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 11 2020 14: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Bshkaus
      The fact that the Chinese eat dogs and bats, it’s really time to tie up to the point of sanctions, because you don’t.

      And if in / in Ukraine they eat fat, then what, or tie, or sanctions? And if we eat fish "with a sweet heart", also sanctions? I personally don’t like “fast food”.
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 11 2020 16: 28 New
        -2
        And if in / in Ukraine

        Do you have other thoughts besides Ukraine?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 11 2020 14: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Bshkaus
      it’s really time to tie it down to sanctions, because nefig.

      Well, how do you forbid them to eat? belay
    3. Liam
      Liam April 11 2020 15: 03 New
      +1
      You will not have any questions to the neighbor on the landing who regularly fires in his apartment and is silent as partisans and does not call firefighters until the fire has covered the entire entrance? Just do not ask any questions if relatives and friends died in this fire?
      Or you’ll crush yourself .. the mole is to blame, I had to buy 10 fire extinguishers in advance and not keep only one in the house. Well, at the same time, thank the arsonist for selling fire extinguishers at a price of gold during a fire.
      In certain circles, such a psychology would be termed psychology
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 11 2020 16: 27 New
        0
        Everyone said well, Liam. But now I don’t understand what was said, but who suffered in the case of the coronavirus? States or what?
        1. borberd
          borberd April 11 2020 16: 38 New
          +2
          Tolerated - the rest of the world. Now the Chinese are pushing masks on Ali at a price of 2000% percent more expensive than usual.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral April 11 2020 17: 47 New
            0
            It was already enviable, Liam. The poor states.
  26. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 11 2020 14: 26 New
    +4
    The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.
    That's the whole tale of the American pandemic. “Money for a barrel!”, The main thing is money, but you don’t need to prove guilt. This is the whole of America.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 38 New
      17
      Quote: tihonmarine
      the main thing is money, and you don’t need to prove guilt

      Money is everything for Americans. They cover the whole mind with money.
  27. Most kind
    Most kind April 11 2020 14: 32 New
    +1
    Handsome Americans, China somehow smiled at them, bought American oil, loaded with our fuel oil, bought their debt notes, was ready to break contracts with Rosneft from over Venezuela, and here such an unexpected person, you see a monkey have to do something or get off a tree or get bananas for amers, and after all, the Russian neighbors will also look at this monkey and ask how it’s doing, how it’s health, they avoided the second wave, but ran into amers. Cool however.
  28. Gunner
    Gunner April 11 2020 14: 45 New
    0
    Agreed China will bring down the US financial system.
  29. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov April 11 2020 14: 50 New
    0
    What is super audacity? These are the words and actions of American politicians and courts, which the actions of American "Shemyakin" courts extend to all countries and peoples of the world!
    As for this case, I’m sure (like many experts and just people) that the creators of the coronavirus are Americans !!! yes
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 11 2020 16: 24 New
      0
      I will supplement with a simple word, namely: malicious creators.
  30. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 11 2020 15: 08 New
    +2
    Many would suggest punishing the United States for a pandemic of wars, bloody coups, crises and “coercion of democracy”
  31. gridasov
    gridasov April 11 2020 15: 17 New
    0
    Admittedly, it is highly unlikely that a vaccine will be found. Therefore, the analysis forces us to consider not the process of combating coronovirus, but to consider the process of activating the work of the lung alveoli. The structure of the alveoli is an electronic magnetic device with a pronounced process of polarization and thermal generation, and, accordingly, heating the blood to temperatures unacceptable to the virus. Therefore, the answer lies in the writings of Karl Trincher. If it’s quite simple, then it is necessary to periodically cool the blue blood at the inlet of the alveoli for a short period of time. Thereby increasing the contrast polarization. In addition, some oxygen deficiency in the blood is needed.
  32. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 April 11 2020 15: 55 New
    +2
    A person not disfigured by civilization. Clean look.

    "No, he doesn’t have a lying look,
    his eyes don't lie
    they truly say
    that their owner is a dodger. (R. Burns).
  33. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 April 11 2020 15: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: gridasov
    Admittedly, it is highly unlikely that a vaccine will be found. Therefore, the analysis forces us to consider not the process of combating coronovirus, but to consider the process of activating the work of the lung alveoli. The structure of the alveoli is an electronic magnetic device with a pronounced process of polarization and thermal generation, and, accordingly, heating the blood to temperatures unacceptable to the virus. Therefore, the answer lies in the writings of Karl Trincher. If it’s quite simple, then it is necessary to periodically cool the blue blood at the inlet of the alveoli for a short period of time. Thereby increasing the contrast polarization. In addition, some oxygen deficiency in the blood is needed.

    You can treat the lungs from any infection by placing them in an inductor with a winding from a wire of triangular section.
    Another exacerbation of paranoia.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 11 2020 16: 03 New
      0
      That's right.
      What oxygen deficiency is needed is scarce there. The virus enters the outer wall of the alveoli of the lung tissue, the gas exchange process is disrupted, the cytokine inflammation marker is released, when there is a lot of it, the cytokine storm begins, then death. Oxygen is absolutely necessary. It supports vital, that is, vital functions.
      People write about what they absolutely do not understand.
      In principle, pneumonia from coronovirus is almost no different from ordinary pneumonia. The process is simply much accelerated and requires immediate action.
  34. NordUral
    NordUral April 11 2020 16: 22 New
    0
    What a straightforward lad this American Senator Lindsay Graham is.
  35. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 11 2020 16: 51 New
    +2
    Graham said, adding that China must be punished so severely that "it would hold him back in the future."

    It is precisely the comprehensive weakening of China that the rulers of the FSA, the world empire of evil, desire.
  36. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    Fire at Chinese UDC type 075

    on the “kuz” the fire was abruptly, burned for 500 lyam. the difference is that there will be one “kuzya”, and there will be no more, and the whales will set themselves up, despite the virus
  37. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 17: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And Russia wisely got rid of these pieces of paper ... in advance ...

    not only did not get rid, but also bought, after shouting that she got rid
  38. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 17: 56 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    They decide that it is more profitable to clean China - and they will clean ...

    China can become "in pose", as with the Huawei, for example. and somehow the Americans faded
  39. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 17: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Mobius
    I hope we will be together against this next tricky undertaking of the West .. And then we will present them for everything?

    will you personally present something? otherwise Sechin has already presented
  40. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Mobius
    And who drove her there .. Semibankirshchina, if you let me remind you in the 90s

    30 years have passed from the times of Semibarkinsky. What could be done during this time, if desired? no, they all want to cut some money, easy, that's chopped
  41. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: mvg
    The senator proposes not to repay the American debt to China, but to write it off.

    I like it

    one great politician, in such cases, forgave such debts
  42. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Liam
    This time it came to a pandemic with terrifying humanitarian and economic consequences.

    you can list them, well, except for panic on exchanges
  43. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Those who lose tens and hundreds of thousands of their citizens and trillion losses in economies due to Chinese behavior, they will be punished

    it’s strange, you say, the virus is from China, and in our country 99% of Europeans have become infected. so who should be punished?
  44. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: Vadim237
    say thanks to their wonderful kitchen they eat everything that flies floats and crawls new swine flu and pneumonia everything from there

    they all eat raw? at a temperature of 47 degrees, the protein is denatured, and the virus is a protein
  45. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 26 New
    -1
    Quote: Old Horseradish
    Yes, and Wang warned

    Well, if the wang ... did she even know the word yellow people?
  46. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: Liam
    You will not have any questions to the neighbor on the landing who regularly fires in his apartment and is silent as partisans

    the Chinese didn’t keep silent, their Ministry of Internal Affairs said back in January that the Americans had imported the virus. And they took tough measures, and they did not import the virus into America and Italy. and to us too
  47. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 36 New
    0
    Quote: borberd
    Now the Chinese are pushing masks on Ali at a price of 2000% percent more expensive than usual

    do not buy, do it yourself, anyway, there is no sense from them
  48. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 40 New
    0
    Quote: gridasov
    Admittedly, it is highly unlikely that a vaccine will be found.

    Old Man said, walk more in the fresh air, and drink vodka. and you will be happy!
  49. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 42 New
    0
    Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
    You can treat the lungs from any infection by placing them in an inductor with a winding from a wire of triangular section.
    Another exacerbation of paranoia

    forgotten the cap made of foil. Without a hat, it won’t work!
  50. aglet
    aglet April 11 2020 18: 43 New
    0
    Quote: NordUral
    What a straightforward lad this American Senator Lindsay Graham

    What a straightforward American guy this senator Lindsay Graham