“Technical transition”: the Russian government bought out Sberbank

The Russian government bought back a stake in Sberbank from the Central Bank (CB), the deal took place on April 9. This was reported by the media with reference to sources close to the cabinet.

It is reported that the deal amounted to 2,14 trillion rubles, which is 300 billion less than originally planned. Experts attribute this to a significant reduction in the price of Sberbank shares on the Moscow Exchange, which is a 20% drop. At the same time, it is stated that the deal went through at once, and not in several stages, as planned in February.

The deal was decided to close in one fell swoop, as money is urgently needed to finance current budget expenditures. In addition, no one can predict how the situation will develop over the course of the year.

- cites the publication of the words of one of the sources.

According to a second source, the Ministry of Finance now has an urgent need for money due to anti-crisis measures: the ministry missed several billion rubles due to tax deferrals related to the coronavirus.

As previously reported, the acquisition of shares of Sberbank is financed from the National Welfare Fund (NWF). As a result of the transaction, the Central Bank returns almost the entire amount received back to the budget, with the exception of 300 billion rubles, which will be used to cover the Central Bank's own losses.

According to experts, for Russian citizens, nothing will change globally in the work of Sberbank after the change of ownership from the Central Bank to the government, since this transition is “technical”.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

The Central Bank is still a pro-Western private shop, but there is still hope for the Government of the Russian Federation. )))

[GRIGORIY76]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

there is still hope for the Government of the Russian Federation. )))

Probably only you)

[Malyuta]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

Quote: Vladimir_2U

there is still hope for the Government of the Russian Federation. )))

Probably only you)

And here everything is quite simple, like 2 * 2, if the bank is private, then in which case you can ask him, but if the state is there, then when the state is liquidated, there will be no one to ask, and forgive your debts to the citizens of the current government for the first time.

[KCA]

Personally, my contribution to 1000 honestly earned rubles was not forgiven by the current government, it came from the army, and it’s cheaper to blow your nose to this 1000 than to a napkin, so the passbook is for memory

[Tatyana]

As a result of the transaction, the Central Bank returns almost the entire amount received back to the budget, with the exception of 300 billion rubles, which will be used to cover the Central Bank’s own losses.

Interesting. And what about the Central Bank's OWN losses in the amount of 300 billion rubles?
After all, the Central Bank of Russia under the leadership of Nabiulina does not produce anything material!
Not about losses in the salary Central Bank of Russia on such a scale as 300 billion rubles? Or is it about them, etc. - about "premium" transfers to someone and somewhere from the bank profits of the Central Bank of Russia?

[mole]

I dare to suggest that this is not a loss to the Central Bank, it is the money that the SB needed. The Central Bank is just a screen. If you call a spade a spade, then in order to avoid bankruptcy of the Security Council, this fraud was carried out !?
Are we waiting for a "maneuver" with VTB?

[spirit]

For this scam that Ms. Nabiulina turned, you can more or less read here

[mad]

What kind of "expert" is this? Does this piece of jellied meat get out of the kitchen? )))

[Malyuta]

Quote: Tatiana

Is it not about the losses in the salaries of the Central Bank of Russia workers on such a scale as 300 billion rubles?

Tatyana I apologize a lot, but these denyuzhki are already in a safe place and, as our chief says, "Michal Ivanych, strike the iron without leaving the cash register", which means "the chicken is pecking by the grain," and we have no time to swing.

[private person]

As a result of the transaction, the Central Bank returns almost the entire amount received back to the budget, with the exception of 300 billion rubles, which will be used to cover the Central Bank's own losses.


We laundered 300 lard, or more simply, pinched the National Welfare Fund (NWF) under the guise of a pandemic

[Malyuta]

Quote: KCA

Personally, my contribution to 1000 honestly earned rubles was not forgiven by the current government, it came from the army, and it’s cheaper to blow your nose to this 1000 than to a napkin, so the passbook is for memory

Since the 91st year in the territory of the Russian Federation, the current government

[Stas157]

Quote: KCA

Personally, my contribution as much as 1000 honestly earned rubles has forgiven far from the current government, came from the army, and it’s cheaper to blow your nose into this 1000 than to a napkin, so the passbook is for memory

And whose? Wild inflation appeared when the USSR was gone.

[KCA]

And when, after the Pavlovian reform, prices per day doubled? Was the USSR still? Exchange of 50 and 100r notes remember? Then it rolled, but it started with a hunchback

[Malyuta]

Quote: KCA

And when, after the Pavlovian reform, prices per day doubled? Was the USSR still? Exchange of 50 and 100r notes remember? Then it rolled, but it started with a hunchback

Colleague, no need to lie, the reform was, but the prices did not change !!!
I’ll tell you a little secret, the Vremya program announced the exchange of banknotes at 21:00 and This was done in order to get huge money out of the shadow sector, that is, from the current rulers and bankers, and the then speculators and "cooperators".My friend and I made sure of any, although the amounts were penny thousand for 2 brothers, went to the round-the-clock main post office and sent the transfers to ourselves on demand, and by tomorrow they received them new.
And there were NO price increases, just as the bread cost 18 kopecks, so it was before the Ebninsky reforms, but that's another story ... post-Soviet.

[KCA]

I do not agree, prices did not rise immediately in state stores, but what was there then, except for bread and canned batteries with seaweed? And here where there was food, alcohol, and even chewing gum for children, the prices went up right away, but when the state shops increased, there was a crap in them, any one of your choice, and even imported. I personally didn’t suffer from the exchange of banknotes, my parents also did not have large savings, but, for example, a colleague at work on the saddle tore his hair, how to get out, but there was only a milling machine operator, he didn’t work in the shadow sector at all

[not main]

Quote: Malyuta

.My and my friend made sure of any, although the amounts were penny thousand for 2 per brother

What time! And then I didn’t have a single bill of such nominations!

[Malyuta]

Quote: non-primary

What time! And then I didn’t have a single bill of such nominations!

And I saved up for a wedding

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Malyuta

Colleague, no need to lie, the reform was, but the prices did not change !!!

At the factories they changed 1: 1. And at the checkpoints the Georgians stood and exchanged 1: 2 for 25 and 10 rubles

[Azazelo]

Why do you suddenly ask a private bank something? Bankrupt and hello.

[carstorm 11]

do you even study the issue of deposit insurance or something ... and at the same time what is DIA ...

[Malyuta]

Quote: carstorm 11

do you even study the issue of deposit insurance or something ... and at the same time what is DIA ...

Hello, "eternal daytime"
Here, do not study, our country is an exception to the rule.
I like the film from childhood "In War, As In War", there is a wonderful quote that I constantly come across in my adult life in a broad sense:
Colonel Day. PT, your task is to support the attack of my tanks with fire and caterpillars.
Lt. Toothless. Yes sir!
ПColonel Day. We will reach the line of attack, having made armored raid across the field. Self-propelled guns must follow tanks a hundred meters away.
Lt. Toothless. This is not according to the charter, Comrade Colonel, I'm afraid we will merge.
Colonel Day. I, too, once had occasion to study the charter, Comrade Guard Lieutenant, and it is also not recorded anywhere that we attacked German heavy bands like this with ten cars. And they will meet us because of the huts, because of the two hundred-millimeter armor, on the sight, and they will shoot in a clean place, like rabbits ... A rabbit can hide at least, but we do not have such a right!
We must attack and at all costs knock out the SS men from Robin! One hundred meters, PT, and not a centimeter more, otherwise I myself will shoot at your harp !!! Clear?
Junior Lieutenant Maleshkin. Yes sir!
Lieutenant Telenkov. Yes sir!
Lt. Toothless. Yes sir!

[abrakadabre]

We will reach the line of attack by armored shell on the field.

I suspect that during the Second World War, our people did not know what "rush" was. This means that they could not shine with such a verbal expression as "armored".
Even in our time, what this can mean know "... not only everyone. Few people can do it ..."

[smart ass]

Yes, and the words nebylo, you forgot to add art on the full gold

[abrakadabre]

I just didn’t begin to dismantle this switch word for word. He brought only the brightest.

[carstorm 11]

about the day. it tells me the person who jumps on each branch every day?))) seriously?) about exceptions to the rules. what are you talking about? DIA is our agency and the deposit insurance system is a state system. in short, all deposits are insured. and in the event of bankruptcy or bank closure, all customers receive a refund in my opinion up to 900000 thousand. I repeat, study the question and then write.

[Tatyana Pershina]

In 2020, the maximum amount is 1,4 million rubles, and on escrow accounts up to 10 million rubles.

[serezhasoldatow]

And why are you responsible for all!

[Vladimir_2U]

Yes, judging by the minuses, I am very optimistic about our Government. (and tears and tears)))

[smart ass]

The government, as always, in its repertoire transferred money from one pocket to another (half squeezed out)

[Vadim67]

Let's see if Sberbank will now open its offices in the Crimea.

[Vladimir_2U]

Buryat "BaikalBank" was going to, where is it now ... ((But you offered a good indicator.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vadim67

Let's see if Sberbank will now open its offices in the Crimea.

Do you realize that the state bought savings from itself for the money of the stabilization fund? In other words, feeling the grandiose nix of the banking and political crisis, the thimblers are sawing the money from the stabilization fund. VTB has also cut its gold reserves. The "evacuation" or bailout of the beneficiaries of the plunder of the country begins.

[bayard]

The nationalization of the Russian banking sector begins (and is probably nearing completion) - the state bought Sberbank from the IMF structure (49,5% of the US Federal Reserve, 49,5% of the City of London, 1% - Gerashchenko, the first head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the main lobbyist for its creation )
And the purchase of Sber cost "only" 300 billion rubles. + managed to get a very respectable amount out of the money-box not controlled by the Russian Federation.
Perhaps this is preparation for the so-called. "nationalization of the Central Bank," because to bring down the banking system, which is almost entirely controlled by the Russian government, will be much more difficult than the concerted actions of Gref and Nabiulina.
In the meantime, it’s already remarkable that fresh money appeared in the budget, which means there will be no collapse.

[Malyuta]

Quote: bayard

Perhaps this is preparation for the so-called. "nationalization of the Central Bank," because to bring down the banking system, which is almost entirely controlled by the Russian government, will be much more difficult than the concerted actions of Gref and Nabiulina.

That is, you want to say that for 20 years someone has been calmly looking at everything that is happening in general in the country and in the banking sector in particular, and here it also dawned on the BAC. Really funny?
Well, let's even say that suddenly thought better of it ....
Well, now the main thing is that the state expresses the interests of the ruling class, in our case it is the comprador’s klept bourgeoisie, who defeated the 91-93 counter-revolution and I strongly apologize, with what fright will it protect the interests of the people?
Colleague, it’s time to remove the pink glasses already.

[nov_tech.vrn]

read the constitution of '93, everything is clearly spelled out there

[bayard]

Quote: Malyuta

That is, you want to say that for 20 years someone calmly looked at everything that happens in general in the country and in the banking sector

Why is it calm?
Yeltsin after the execution of the Supreme Council was completely dependent on the United States, London and Tel Aviv, and for the sake of not just power, but simply LIFE, he went to EVERYTHING that was demanded of him - the new Constitution, written by the CIA, the Law on the Central Bank and much more. As a result, the entire financial system was completely under the control of external forces.
Surprised?
I am surprised at your surprise.
Is this really ignorance?
Unwillingness to know obvious things?
Or the courage of a regular troll?
And there were attempts to get rid of this addiction - in the fall of 2005.
Unsuccessfully.
Killed (contract killings) of two friends of Putin, appointed by him to resolve this issue.
And an ultimatum from the owners of money.
They didn’t touch the financial sector in the Russian Federation anymore - the state’s resources for such a decisive step were absolutely lacking (weakness in the military sphere and an economy not controlled by the state - thanks to Yeltsin and his nest chicks) ...
Now the situation has changed.

[Malyuta]

Quote: bayard

As a result, the entire financial system was completely under the control of external forces.
Surprised?

No, not surprised, this is Fedorovsky NOD!
I don’t even want to hear this Fedorov-old man's nonsense! need to say goodbye

[bayard]

I knew about all these facts long before these characters became known and I am not a member of their organizations.
Like I do not create mine.
And self-education (at least to read the 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation) as I see is not for you.
Well, it's really time to say goodbye.

[Malyuta]

Quote: bayard

I knew about all these facts long before these characters became known and I am not a member of their organizations.
Like I do not create mine. smile
And self-education (at least to read the 1993 Constitution of the Russian Federation) as I see is not for you.

C'mon, alright So the NOD stinks a mile away I can also add jazz to your conclusions of self-education: the coronavirus was invented by mattresses so as not to accept amendments by "popular" voting. It's a joke if anything, but think about it

[bayard]

Yeah, Malyuta, you really stink.
You give jazz anyway, it’s not worth adding.
And I really think about your account.

[abrakadabre]

The nationalization of the Russian banking sector begins (and is probably nearing completion) - the state bought Sberbank from the IMF structure (49,5% of the US Federal Reserve, 49,5% of the City of London, 1% - Gerashchenko, the first head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the main lobbyist for its creation )

In my understanding, nationalization is carried out somewhat differently. Examples: nationalization after the Great October Socialist Revolution in our country and nationalization in Cuba after the victory of the Cuban Revolution.

[bayard]

You, Valery, confuse expropriation with nationalization.
When a state takes property WITHOUT compensation, it is EXPRESSION. And if, if taken away with financial compensation, nationalization, transfer of ownership in favor of the state.
After the February coup, which was organized, carried out and financed by the aristocracy and the bourgeois class, the civil war unleashed by them, millions of victims ... nationalization in the form of expropriation was fair and justified. The nationalization of foreign assets took place somewhat differently.
In Cuba, everything was about the same.
You do not propose a new civil war to unleash?
I hope so.
And in a peaceful, purely administrative way, this can only be done in this way.

[abrakadabre]

But even the same Vicki gives Old that I am right.
Nationalization - the taking of property in favor of the state and society. It can be made without compensation to the owner - expropriation, secularization, confiscation. Or maybe with full or partial reimbursement - requisition.

[bayard]

It may be said that nationalization has several subspecies, but NOW the government is tolerant to the owners (capitalism), therefore, it only resorts to nationalization with compensation. So it is possible to avoid conflict and counterclaims, as with Khodorkovsky.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: bayard

The nationalization of the Russian banking sector begins (and is probably nearing completion) - the state bought out Sberbank

Or is this the first stage of privatization?

[bayard]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Or is this the first stage of privatization?

Time will tell, but leaving the leading bank in Russia in the hands of its worst partners ... at least is short-sighted.
VTB and Pochta-Bank, state banks and friends do not give them. And most importantly, controlled by the state.
What's wrong with that?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: bayard

Time will tell

Wait and see.

[bayard]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Wait and see.

I think that we will see a lot more interesting and unexpected. In the meantime, more than two trillion rubles were allocated in the budget for social payments and expenses for the fight against the virus.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: There was a mammoth

Or is this the first stage of privatization?

Most likely. For in the charter of the Central Bank there was a condition that the Central Bank is required to own 50% + 1 share of Sberbank. After the transfer to the ownership of the government, this item no longer exists.

[Alexander Negoryuy]

Sorry, Malyuta! I am not an economist, but I wrote about this a week ago. Here the situation is different. When they started talking about the fact that we have a FND and in connection with not about the apparent quarantine, but SELF-ISOLATION, people need to be sponsored at the state level from this fund, for which it was created. To which the chairman, director, manager, or whatever else, E. Nabiulina said that the money would not reach the recipient anyway and that there was nothing to do with it, it would only be stolen. Not literally, but the meaning remains. It turns out that they do not believe themselves. By the way, the stab.fond back in the 8th year, if I am not mistaken, was cut into two and created the so-called. National Security Fund (NWF). From whose funds they paid for Sberbank. Just from the NWF from, they yielded a certain amount and put it into their own pocket. Washed in a tidy. As one hero from the movie "The Unyielding" said - What is nothing and how to make something out of it? In fact, you said everything correctly. That's the whole "corona" virus. The gold is exported, the currency to "support" the ruble is "sold". - But you hold on, there! -

[serezhasoldatow]

The cat left the kittens ... Not tired ... carry nonsense?

[Old partisan]

Why the hell are you?
Did Gref hang himself?

[Alexander Negoryuy]

No, most likely the dough was cut down and resting.

[carstorm 11]

won't open. one must really look at things. driving Sber under sanctions is such a decision. not the smartest. the losses will be huge. it’s much cheaper to open 10 other banks there. and to bring down Sberbank for the sake of principles, this is sorry stupidly.

[mole]

Most likely it will open, but under a sign like "SB +".

Quote: Vadim67

Let's see if Sberbank will now open its offices in the Crimea.

[Incvizitor]

I with this sharaga of affairs do not have more than that, on deposits of repayment, no-one is also trying to lend with huge percentages to palm off why they are needed at all?

[knn54]

Vladimir. About this, the author indicated at the beginning of the article at CENTObank.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: knn54

at CENTbank

Really funny! )

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The Central Bank is still a pro-Western private shop, but there is still hope for the Government of the Russian Federation.

The United States "permeated" the entire planet with a system of supranational-level financial institutions that did not obey their governments. That is why the Russian economy today circulates not so much rubles as is needed for its normal functioning, but rather corresponds to the rules of the IMF in the “currency board” regime. The independent Central Bank of Russia is monitoring all this. That is, the country's development is fully controlled from abroad. Well, for an interesting (maybe someone else does not know) a small photo.

[Vadim237]

The Central Bank rate remained unchanged.

[Motorist]

Already another emblem on coins.

[Malyuta]

As the president said yesterday, "everything passes and it will pass" - all the same, we are responsible for this attack (in the original infection).
And yet he is a prophet.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Elvira should be dismissed due to professional inappropriateness, and Herman Gref too, then hope may begin to slip.

[Chaldon48]

All hopes for Mr. Mishustin.

[polar fox]

Quote: Chaldon48

All hopes for Mr. Mishustin.

you are more careful with abbreviations, otherwise zealous moderators may not read it that way, some people have a richer fantasy ...

[Chaldon48]

Maybe you need to write a billionaire Mishustin, then no crooked codes will arise.

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The Central Bank is still a pro-Western private shop, but there is still hope for the Government of the Russian Federation. )))

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Come on, come on! They just shifted "from one pocket to another"!

[iouris]

In this story, I am only interested in Gref’s fate. Will he be all right?

[den3080]

transferred money from the back pocket of the pants to the front. I still did not understand the meaning of this "technical" operation.
except that bonuses to the leadership for ... well, in general, "for life"

[unaha]

The Central Bank is a banking regulator and at the same time the owner of a share of Sberbank, which is in contradiction. And since the Central Bank should return 75% of the profit to the budget, the corresponding part of the money received from the government will be returned back.
Another thing is that a controlling stake in the hands of the Russian government is likely to completely overwhelm savings projects abroad.

[serezhasoldatow]

Do not understand, but noted ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: den3080

transferred money from the back pocket of the pants to the front. I still did not understand the meaning of this "technical" operation.

When there is a movement of material values, then it is possible to manipulate these very values.

[den3080]

Quote: BecmepH

Quote: den3080

transferred money from the back pocket of the pants to the front. I still did not understand the meaning of this "technical" operation.

When there is a movement of material values, then it is possible to manipulate these very values.

what is it about, as in that joke:
what is the point of the bank, dad?
Well, how do you explain, son? ... bring lard from the fridge
brought? now take it back.
a piece of fat left?
stayed...
and fingers are greasy ...

I'm just sure that there is some kind of expert consulting group preparing this "technical" maneuver.
Well, some 0,01% percentage (from 2 trillion), as a reward to this unconditionally temporary creative team, got ... well, clean for the job.
And this is only a superficial, petty episode ... and then ... no one will know.
The good goal is to start spending the NWF!

[rotmistr60]

it is about 20%

It's not even a controlling stake, so why headline the article "Russian government bought Sberbank ".

[DMB 75]

For a loud headline. And "for Russian citizens nothing will change globally in the work of Sberbank."

[Snail N9]

for Russian citizens nothing will change globally in the work of Sberbank. "

Nope, it will change and how. Now, Mr. Mishustin can directly, not even just recommend the bank to do this or that, namely "command" in Sberbank, and Gref will be drawn to the string in front of him. The accumulated resources of Sberbank, where the savings of 75% of Russians are stored, the government can now use at its discretion. And this, will make any thinking person tense, the sad fate of the "accumulative pension fund" is an example. In addition, the new position of Sberbank opens up a wide scope for Mr. Mishustin for his "digital experiments" in terms of controlling the expenses and incomes of clients of this bank, which covers the vast majority of the Russian population with its services.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Any thinking person has been annoyed by a shortage of money in the economy for a long time, not only is it not enough, due to the dominance in the financial and economic bloc of fighters with inflation, a couple of years ago, the central bank facilitated the withdrawal of money resources abroad. Money should work, as it happens in all civilized countries, and we have miscarriages from Mau’s nests and Kuzminov’s nests everywhere, they sterilize money, removing them from the economy, in my memory VASO had a loan at 10% per annum! What kind of development are we talking about? Connecting to gas distribution networks costs up to half a million rubles from a private economy. Everyone nods to Gazprom, and here the elementary regional dealers are jacking up everywhere

[askort154]

rotmistr60 .... we are talking about 20%
It’s not even a controlling stake, so why headline the article “Russian government bought out Sberbank”.

20% cheaper! And the size of the package is not indicated. But if it came under the jurisdiction of the government, it means a "controlling stake" in them, usually more than 50%.

[Snail N9]

It is interesting that they paid in "rubles". Didn't notice what exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar was the last few days? And now it began to decline in favor of the ruble. Evil tongues said that someone had deliberately dropped the ruble rate in order to exchange currency for cheap rubles at a favorable rate for him, and to make some large purchase for these rubles. "I am tormented by vague doubts" - and who could it be? and what was the “big” bought?

[Errr]

Quote: rotmistr60

it is about 20%

It's not even a controlling stake, so why headline the article "Russian government bought Sberbank ".

The Government of the Russian Federation acquired from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation a 50% + 1 share of Sberbank, i.e. it is a controlling stake.

[Fat]

Quote: Herrr

Quote: rotmistr60

it is about 20%

It's not even a controlling stake, so why headline the article "Russian government bought Sberbank ".

The Government of the Russian Federation acquired from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation a 50% + 1 share of Sberbank, i.e. it is a controlling stake.

According to Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation carries out the operational activities on its own and interference of other state bodies with it is unacceptable.

The Central Bank is independent, is not subordinate to the state and, accordingly, is not a public authority.
At the same time, the management of the Central Bank adopts regulatory documents that are binding on all authorities, legal entities and individuals.
The Central Bank is forbidden to participate in the capital of credit organizations (that is, banks, because it is the regulator of their activities), but it is a shareholder of Sberbank with a controlling stake.
Moreover, the Central Bank is not responsible for the obligations of the state, and the state is not responsible for the obligations of the Central Bank.
Therefore, on modern banknotes there is no indication of what the banknotes are provided for. Therefore, the CBR logo is displayed on banknotes, and not the coat of arms of the Russian Federation
Now, the Government of the Russian Federation has a controlling stake in Sberbank ...

[Errr]

Quote: Thick

Now, the Government of the Russian Federation has a controlling stake in Sberbank ...

And we stock up on popcorn.
But seriously, I personally do not like this "Gref's office" for a long time.

[Fat]

Perhaps yes, just watch what happens.))))

[carstorm 11]

so more fun) I like you tried to explain it here, stupidly minuses stuck and that's all)

[rotmistr60]

I took into account my mistake about 20%!

[Liam]

Quote from rudolf

Technical is not so much the transfer of ownership of the bank’s shares from the Central Bank to the Government, but the transfer of 2 trillion. rubles from the national welfare fund at the disposal of the Government.

As they say..there are nuances. Far from 2 trillion will go to the disposal of the government.

they will cover the losses of the central bank from bank rehabilitation, and the remaining money how the regulator’s revenues will go to the budget for social expenditures announced in Putin’s message to the Federal Assembly (the budget rule prohibits spending money directly from the NWF)

[Liam]

Already 1,8 (provided that the rehabilitation cost only 300 billion, although VTB alone is talked about 1 trillion). Of the 1,8, the Central Bank by law must deduct 75% to the government only. This is minus 400 billion

[Liam]

Evgeny Razumny / Vedomosti

The Central Bank is against the amendment, which will assign it the obligation to transfer Sberbank’s dividends directly to the budget, said the director of the legal department of the Central Bank Alexey Guznov at a meeting of the State Duma Committee on the financial market. The Central Bank sent a negative review to such a government bill.

The Bank of Russia owns 50% plus one share of Sberbank: since 2017, state bank dividends are transferred directly to the budget, and do not first replenish the Central Bank profit, 75% of which the regulator gives to the budget

Federal Law of July 10.07.2002, 86 N 03.04.2020-ФЗ (as amended on March 12.04.2020, XNUMX) "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)" (as amended and supplemented; entered into force on March XNUMX, XNUMX)

Article 26

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On the specifics of the transfer in 2020 - 2022 of income received by the Bank of Russia from participation in the capital of Sberbank of Russia at the end of 2019 - 2021, see Federal Law No. 02.12.2019-FZ dated 385.

Article 26. After approval of the annual financial statements of the Bank of Russia by the Board of Directors The Bank of Russia transfers to the federal budget 75 percent of the profit actually received by it at the end of the yearremaining after payment of taxes and fees in accordance with the Tax Code of the Russian Federation. The remaining profit of the Bank of Russia is allocated by the Board of Directors to reserves and funds for various purposes.я

[sanik2020]

From one pocket to another, the main thing is the appearance of joy for the good of the country.

[Qwertyarion]

Some scam
Something like a game of thimbles ..

[askort154]

Qwertyarion ...Some scam
Something like a game of thimbles ..

Well no. Previously, the government "begged" the Central Bank for its needs (in excess of the budget), paying interest for it. Now everything will be in the hands of the government, and it will issue at interest. The main thing is to spend wisely and not to steal brazenly.
And for private investments, nothing will change.
On the contrary, the guarantee of deposits will rest not with Gref, but with the state.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: askort154

Previously, the government "begged" the Central Bank

But the Central Bank is not a Russian structure, not a state?

[Alex Justice]

Putin was waiting for a good time to buy up stocks. There has been a rise in the market, time to buy up cheaper stocks.

[Van 16]

And for some reason I have a feeling that we were again deceived ..

[unaha]

Well, we all have good reasons for such feelings ...))) But not this time - apparently this is really a technical operation, not a scam.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Van 16

they deceived us again ..

Not again, but again ...

Quote: Van 16

for some reason I have a feeling that we were again deceived ..

Not with you alone. I think that many have the same feeling.

[GRIGORIY76]

Quote: Malyuta

And here everything is very simple

Yes, you can even easier. The head of the Central Bank and the government was proposed and appointed by the same person, and he rarely appoints normal people.

[yfast]

SB has 13 trillion. deposits of individuals at the lowest interest rates in the country. Who is keeping the money there? Gref's friends? Too many friends or too much to earn?

[Vadim237]

In the Security Council, almost everyone stores money.

[Fat]

Quote: Vadim237

In the Security Council, almost everyone stores money.

Most of the "salary cards" are Sberbank. This bank is loyal to the "consumer" of services. He won't take anything superfluous, but he won't forget his "gesheft" either. VTB Bank, 60% government
Asked for services more. On and did a lot of useful things. This is a normal bank.
And Sberbank was first established under Nicholas I. As a savings bank. This remained, despite ... Everything ...
Therefore, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation hosted there, before the deal.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: yfast

Who is keeping the money there?

Most of the population of Russia stores money in Sberbank. Many legal entities have opened current accounts in Sberbank.

[Incvizitor]

They deal with it, those on whom it is imposed, usually different civil servants, I think the contributions of some kind of thieves, with much more favorable conditions than the "mere mortals".

[rocket757]

Guess, don’t guess what will change .... maybe bile will stand out more.
Fundamental, this is a state for the people or vice versa! It is unshakable in this coordinate system.

[BecmepH]

Quote: rocket757

Guess, don’t guess what will change .... maybe bile will stand out more.
Fundamental, this is a state for the people or vice versa! It is unshakable in this coordinate system.

Well then ... After all, I want a good future! We’re guessing, we’re worrying. And you do not care what awaits you?

[rocket757]

I just realized for a long time that only emptiness comes out of idle chatter, on the subject of changes of whatsoever, wherever.
Moreover, finance is not my topic and I do not consider it necessary to add "my own contribution" to an empty dispute.
If I can’t add anything smart, reasonable, why ......
PS and this topic worries me, besides, I am a "client" of this bank. I really don't want to get some kind of surprise, BUT ...

[Old partisan]

The central bank is flesh from flesh and blood from the blood of our eternal and its government. They simply shifted it to another pocket, but drank it. This is normal. And the crisis ... does not bother us.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Old partisan

It's ok

It is not normal. It don’t understand what happened ...

[Old partisan]

Well, naturally this is not normal. The country is in deep crisis. You need to invest money in the real economy without interest. And not in speculating in currency or buying from your own bank.

[Avior]

Option 1.
Government for crisis budget spending (Novak slammed the door loudly ) from the funds of the National Welfare Fund (NWF) receives 2,14 trillion rubles.

Option 2.
The government receives 2,14 trillion rubles from the funds of the National Welfare Fund (NWF).
He buys shares of Sberbank from the Central Bank for this money, abbreviated to the Central Bank.
The Central Bank leaves itself 300 billion rubles. The remaining 1, 814 trillion rubles, the Central Bank transfers to the government.
The government receives from the Central Bank 1, 814 trillion rubles for crisis budget expenditures.

Question. Which option do you choose?

[Liam]

Quote: Avior

The government receives from the Central Bank 1, 814 trillion rubles for crisis budget expenditures.

Less. Only 75% of the Central Bank’s profits by law go to the government.
And they are not for coronavirus expenses in fact. The decision was made back in early February when there was no coronavirus. These are rather "constitutional" costs associated with "zeroing" All those promises for maternity capital, pensions, food in schools, etc.

[Alexga]

Do not understand! Have you bought yourself, have you paid yourself? Maybe the Central Bank is on the moon and has no relation to the Russian Federation? All this is strange.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: AlexGa

All this is strange.

Exactly what is strange. The Central Bank is our state, it turns out the state buys its own bank from itself ... However, well, the scheme ...

[dgonni]

This is called state privatization of losses! Gref heaped will pay the state. And to be honest, then ordinary people. For the NWF is about the money of people and not Gref!

[DED_peer_DED]

How on time!
Instead of waiting for the fall in the purchase price of Sberbank caused by the post-Coronovirus disruption and the flight of part of depositors due to the introduction of a deposit tax, they rushed now. So far, the price of Sberbank has not fallen.
However, the whole point of this action was not in the purchase, but in - SALE.
Everything is as always - with our (people's money) fat and for us (the people) by musala ...

[prior]

A good example of how to rob people.
First, Sberbank of the USSR, a state bank, becomes a bank of the Russian Federation together with all depositors.
Then, for a "penny", it is privatized, without the loss of investors, whom no one asked and who do not know about anything.
After that, the bank increases its profits and capitalization to its present size and again at the expense of depositors and state assistance.
Further, the government redeems the shares of Sberbank from a private person again for the people's money, but what!
And everything seems to be according to the law, but are these laws and such privatizations legal ?!
Who ended up in profit? Right, Gref and company.
Or did I misunderstand this scam?

[Single]

... The bank bought the bank from the bank ... It is quite in the spirit of Naebulina ... And 2,14 trillion rubles from "our" money went to it is not clear why ...

[mole]

Quote: bayard

The nationalization of the Russian banking sector begins (and is probably nearing completion) - the state bought Sberbank from the IMF structure (49,5% of the US Federal Reserve, 49,5% of the City of London, 1% - Gerashchenko, the first head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the main lobbyist for its creation )
And the purchase of Sber cost "only" 300 billion rubles. + managed to get a very respectable amount out of the money-box not controlled by the Russian Federation.
Perhaps this is preparation for the so-called. "nationalization of the Central Bank," because to bring down the banking system, which is almost entirely controlled by the Russian government, will be much more difficult than the concerted actions of Gref and Nabiulina.
In the meantime, it’s already remarkable that fresh money appeared in the budget, which means there will be no collapse.

By nationalization, it would be nice!
But hardly. Most likely we save the SB.
We are waiting for the crisis to pass, then we will return it.

[Jack O'Neill]

And now it’s scary to use the services of Sberbank. They rob and don’t notice, but if I also say something against it, they will plant it.
Go to Tinkoff? Probably ... But there is also not a bad "St. Petersburg".
Whatever one may say, but I will not stay in "Sberbank" after it became a state office.

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

how scary to use the services of Sber

As for me, Sberbank is the only reliable bank in our country today.

[Jack O'Neill]

As for me, Sberbank is the only reliable bank in our country today.

I also thought so, until the moment when Sberbank became a fully state-owned bank.

[Alexander Zaitov]

it was easier to create a state bank .... however, it is no secret that the Central Bank is a private store of the IMF ... so they have been robbing us for a long time .... or rather, they allow us to live like this ... It is a pity that our "elites" are so corrupt ... however looking at europe, they still have the same ... But in China everything is different ... but we were convinced that the planned economy is not effective ... and the result is here it is, 1st place ...

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Alexander Zaitov

we were convinced that the planned economy is not effective

Especially if you recall the achievements of the USSR and compare with today, then the days of the State Planning Commission look much better.

[Wolf]

BRAVO !!! and Gref in penziu! :)

[Mentat]

Quote: Malyuta

Here, do not study, our country is an exception to the rule.

It is highly doubtful that Russia is your country.
According to your reports, you can see well where your feeder is, at least.

[regdan]

Who bought it from? The Central Bank does not belong to Russia? On whose account did the money fall? A million questions and more than one answer ...

[Gene84]

And do not get a single answer. The Central Bank seems to belong to Russia. The state buys from the state Central Bank ... Yes, there are a lot of questions ...

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Gene84

Yes, there are a lot of questions ...

There are few answers.

[APASUS]

It reminds some kind of fraudulent scheme, they transferred the shares from the left pocket to the right, and received the money from the NWF.

[Gene84]

Quote: APASUS

Reminds some kind of fraudulent scheme, transferred the shares from the left pocket to the right

I agree, we bought Sberbank, in fact, at home

[Vladimir B.]

Quote: Gene84

I agree, we bought Sberbank, in fact, at home

If the Central Bank belongs to Russia, then yes, we bought it ourselves. If the Central Bank is not ours, then oh ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Vladimir B.

If the Central Bank belongs to Russia, then yes, we bought it ourselves. If the Central Bank is not ours, then oh ...

What exactly is oh?

The authorized capital and all property of the Central Bank relate to federal property, while at the same time, the Central Bank manages its gold and gold reserves independently

[Ricochet]

I didn’t buy a savings bank from myself, but the government bought from a central bank, the government simply can’t take money from the NWF, there’s a law where everything is strictly regulated, money can be taken for recouped transactions, that’s where the Sberbank fits, it’s very well done was under 3 tr. Now costs a little more than 2 mp. Now Nabiulina instead of 700 ml. there will only be 300 ml. And here we should not forget about dividends, now they will go to the government, and before the central bank received and gave them the rest 75% to the government, now it is 0. Well, Mishustin now has a controlling stake and when distributing the profit he will dictate to foreign shareholders where they are guide.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Rikochet

Now Nabiulina instead of 700 ml. there will only be 300 ml. And here we must not forget about dividends, now they will go to the government, and before the Central Bank received and with them gave 75% to the government the rest to itself, now it’s 0.

Accordingly, a moratorium on reorganization and bankruptcy of credit organizations will be announced ... DIA Group takes money from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation .....

[petrol cutter]

In light of recent events, should Sberbank be expected to appear in Crimea?! ..

[cat Rusich]

"... According to experts, for Russian citizens nothing global will change in the work of Sberbank after the change of ownership from the Central Bank to the government, since this transition is" technical "..." - the last paragraph of this article, in Crimea, Russian citizens .. This is the opinion of experts, the final decision on the work of Sberbank in Crimea is made - you know who.

[petrol cutter]

Well, rather it was a rhetorical question.
It’s clear to Kose that nothing will happen. Probably never.

[cat Rusich]

Hope dies - the last ... "... And apple trees will bloom on Mars, and the main branch of Sberbank will be in Crimea ..."

[petrol cutter]

Honestly, I am not attached to Sber ... From the word, completely. At this stage. Although how to say it! You have this bank card type visa and the master card is distributed, I suppose.
My banks give me strictly Peace.
Will I go far with the WORLD map on the mainland?
No talk about any visas and master cards on the peninsula. And there will be none.

[yfast]

Quote: Rikochet

Well, Mishustin now has a controlling stake and, when distributing profits, he will dictate to foreign shareholders where to send them.

Yeah, or they him.

[Dikson]

Sechin threw off Venezuela State, Now that Sberbank threw off .. preparing for the 98th? "your deposits are frozen, excuse me?" or by 2008? Because the state needs money, like your pension investments ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Dikson

preparing for the 98th? "your deposits are frozen, excuse me?" or by 2008? Because the state needs money, like your pension investments ...

Do not panic Shura ... in difficult times, you will receive your free mask at the metro ...

[Dikson]

Larochka, thank you, but I don’t need to .. - I’m a resourceful person and I have a set of OZKs and a couple of gas masks on the mezzanines .. Yes, and I’m far from the metro ..)))

[Ajevgenij]

I’m not catching up with something, but it all looks like a withdrawal of 2,14 trillion rubles from which it is not clear from whom it is not clear to whom, in short, money laundering.

[Lara Croft]

The Russian government bought back a stake in Sberbank from the Central Bank (CB), the deal took place on April 9.