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Americans are concerned about the creation of the nuclear submarine Laika in Russia

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Americans are concerned about the creation of the nuclear submarine Laika in Russia

The American publication National Interest analyzed information about the project of the new Russian fifth-generation nuclear submarine Laika, project 545. It can be called a “submarine killer”.


US experts believe that the Russian submarine will be a worthy response to the Virginia nuclear submarine developed in the United States. Moreover, in its technical characteristics and armament, the new development of the defense industry complex of the Russian Federation is significantly superior to its American counterparts.

According to the journalist for Forbes, who drew attention to the plot of Russian television, which mentioned an unknown latest submarine, Russia deliberately teases foreign analysts, not giving complete information about their latest military developments.

A comparison of the characteristics of Laika and Virginia shows that domestic development is significantly superior to the US. "Laika" has a greater displacement, is capable of diving to greater depths and has a more diverse arsenal of weapons. Of particular interest are the means of combating the submarines of a potential enemy.

American experts suggest that Russia will produce about ten of these submarines. But, given their high cost, they do not think that work on them will begin before 2023. At the same time, concern is expressed about the very appearance of such submarines as part of the Russian Navy.
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  1. sanik2020
    sanik2020 April 10 2020 11: 05 New
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    Russia deliberately teases foreign analysts, not giving full information about its latest military developments.

    And if Russia had not given any information at all, then, according to this logic, they would have died at all.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 10 2020 11: 20 New
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      Americans are concerned about the creation of the nuclear submarine Laika in Russia

      Project Laika and Husky, are they one nuclear submarine?



      1. KCA
        KCA April 10 2020 11: 38 New
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        From what was openly written, "Laika" and "Husky" are two unified boats for different purposes, like the "Husky" RPKSN, and "Laika" is a hunter
        1. venik
          venik April 10 2020 12: 14 New
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          Quote: KCA
          From what was openly written, "Laika" and "Husky" are two unified boats for different purposes, like the "Husky" RPKSN, and "Laika" is a hunter

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          Well, let's start with the information that the name of the project was "Laika" (code "Husky"). What is the difference between "project" and "cipher" - request Perhaps it meant that "Husky" is the internal name of the design organization, and "Laika" will be the official name of the project .....
          So this is essentially the same thing. The fact that two - also seemed to be said. But the fact that one of them will be the SSBN - I hear about this for the first time! Yes, this is unrealistic - too different requirements for nuclear submarines and SSBNs!
          But that there will be two options: 1) - "anti-submarine" with PLUR 91R1 and 2) - "shock" with "Zircons" - they wrote ...
          But I just don’t get it: If the Zircon is compatible with the Caliber-PL system, then why should the “manifest” do TWO options, if in this case the “intended purpose” will be determined by the composition of the weapons loaded on board? ?? request
          1. KCA
            KCA April 10 2020 12: 27 New
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            I read what I wrote, I can’t say anything, but about the unification of Zircon and Caliber-PL, I somehow doubt that the conditions for launching from under water and from a ship are different, so far even about launches I did not hear from the submarine "Onyx", and even the "Caliber" from the "Bastion", although the launch from the ship, probably, does not differ much from the launch from the PBRK
            1. shonsu
              shonsu April 11 2020 01: 58 New
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              And what do you think are equipped with ash and ash?
          2. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter April 10 2020 12: 39 New
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            What can I guess? Here is a photo of the Laika model from the exhibition with a description of her performance characteristics and weapons.
            https://mobile.twitter.com/o_gilvi/status/1210485271814389760
          3. Errr
            Errr April 10 2020 13: 09 New
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            Quote: venik
            But I just don’t get it: If the Zircon is compatible with the Caliber-PL system, then why should the “manifest” do TWO options, if in this case the “intended purpose” will be determined by the composition of the weapons loaded on board? ?? request
            And there it smells of two options. smile
            Here is the supposed look of Laika.
            From these PUs you can shoot Onyx, Caliber or Zircon.
          4. Errr
            Errr April 10 2020 13: 28 New
            +2
            Correctly, I should have written
            And there doesn't smell two options.
            smile
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 10 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: KCA
          From what was openly written, "Laika" and "Husky" are two unified boats for different purposes, like the "Husky" RPKSN, and "Laika" is a hunter

          Not so ... the Husky nuclear submarine project will become universal. That is, simply put, it will be something like Ash and Borea in one bottle. And most likely, the same ICBMs there will not be as bulky as they are now, but the Caliber-M format. It was stated that the modernized Caliber would be able to fly 4500 km. When the Husky begin to build (and this in time is not a year or two), missiles will appear, such as Zircon, but with an intercontinental radius of action.
          1. venik
            venik April 10 2020 15: 27 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            And most likely, the same ICBMs there will not be as bulky as they are now, but the Caliber-M format

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            Andrew! Don't be silly! Where have you seen the "Caliber Format" Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles? Those. 5-7 meters long and half a meter in diameter! fool This is - IMPOSSIBLE by definition - the laws of physics do not allow (at least until fuel is found hundreds and thousands of times greater than all existing ones!
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            Quote: NEXUS
            It was stated that the modernized Caliber would be able to fly 4500 km.

            ========
            According to the SALT-2 Treaty, missiles with a range of more than 5 km are considered "intercontinental". There are air-launched Kh-500 (non-nuclear) and Kh-101 (TY warhead) cruise missiles, the range of which reaches 102 km (and according to some (unverified) data from low-power nuclear warheads even up to 5 km), but call them ICBM - sorry - NONSENS !!! They are SUITABLE, but NOT BALLISTIC!
            PS Andrew! Please FOLLOW WHAT you are writing! hi
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 10 2020 15: 46 New
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              Quote: venik
              Where have you seen the "Caliber Format" Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles? Those. 5-7 meters long and half a meter in diameter!

              Vladimir, you’re talking nonsense. It is not for nothing that I gave an example of Caliber-M with a radius of 4500 km (and this is from available sources). The Mace is 12 meters long and 2 meters in diameter ...
              Quote: venik
              There are air-based cruise missiles X-101 (non-nuclear) and X-102 (TYA warhead), whose range reaches 5 km (and according to some (unverified) data from low-power nuclear warheads even up to 500 km)

              Rave. Work is underway on a modernized version of the X-101, which is expected to have an increased range of 7000 km.
              Quote: venik
              but call them ICBM - sorry - NONSENS !!! They are WHAT is pleasing, but NOT BALLISTIC!

              Sorry, but what's the difference, what will be the name of the Yabz delivery vehicle? The bottom line is that the delivery vehicle would have an intercontinental range. But how it flies, whether along a ballistic trajectory or along a quasibalistic one, is no longer the point.
              Fuel, technologies do not stand still. 25 years ago, Garnet flew 2000 km ... now, his modernized "grandson" will fly 4500 km. Or do you think that everything will remain at the level of the 90s?
              Reducing the dimensions of missiles will have a very significant effect on reducing the dimensions of the carrier, and therefore its visibility, price, etc. ... Pandora like Sineva will very soon be a thing of the past.
              Quote: venik
              PS Andrew! Please FOLLOW WHAT you are writing!

              Vladimir, if my opinion does not coincide with yours, this does not mean that it is not true. And to indicate what to write and how to think is the height of the stupidity that you showed.
              1. venik
                venik April 10 2020 17: 13 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Rave. Work is underway on a modernized version of the X-101, which is expected to have an increased range of 7000 km.

                ==========
                As for the X-101 - it is quite possible! There is a "conventional" (non-nuclear) warhead, which weighs 2-2.5 times less than a compact TN warhead! But about the X-102 (with special ammunition) - no data! Considering the lower weight of the warhead (and, accordingly, the possibility of increasing the fuel supply by 100-200 kg, and maybe more), some experts also assume, mind you - they only ASSUME (!) That its (X-102) range is not just longer, but much more than that of the Kh-101 - hence the assumptions about the flight range of the Kh-102 (not the Kh-101, but the Kh-102!) of 7 km and even more!
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                Quote: NEXUS
                The bottom line is that the delivery vehicle would have an intercontinental range. But how it flies, whether along a ballistic trajectory or along a quasibalistic one, is no longer the point.

                ========
                Firstly: you, Andrey DO NOT IMAGINE the difference between BALLISTIC and AERODYNAMIC aircraft ..... And it (the difference) is PRINCIPAL!
                Cruise missiles (for example, Kh-101, Kh-102) - fly neither on a "ballistic" or even on a "quasi-ballistic" trajectory!
                As for "this is no longer the point" .... Well, here you are already in the "cognition not pgava (as the" classic "said)" - that's the point! For example, a missile defense system against a CD is useless! Just as useless as fighter aircraft against ICBMs! Absolutely different detection systems, Absolutely different countermeasures (including interception) ...
                But the most important thing: If an ICBM reaches a target located at a distance of 5.5 thousand km, in a matter of minutes (10-15 minutes), then an 8-hour “working day” may not be enough to reach such a target with a CD!
                PS Strange, I thought, you understand these matters MUCH BETTER! And then suddenly such a misunderstandinglementary things....
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS April 10 2020 17: 30 New
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                  Quote: venik
                  But the most important thing: If an ICBM reaches a target located at a distance of 5.5 thousand km, in a matter of minutes (10-15 minutes), then an 8-hour “working day” may not be enough to reach such a target with a CD!

                  And from what hangover did you decide that such a rocket would fly at subsonic or supersonic speed even? Not well, I understand that for some reason you chose the format of the Kyrgyz Republic, but ... I then brought the Caliber as the dimensions of the future rocket.
                  Take the same Dagger ... according to official information, this missile flies 1400 km. And with a special warhead, which will be half what is the radius? You are ossified in the 90s and reason with those matters. Husky will build NOT TOMORROW! And not even after 5 years. You won’t surprise anyone with hypersound now, but what will happen in 10 years? And in comparison with today's ICBMs, in terms of speed, I am sure that new intercontinental-class missiles will be much faster.
                  I thought you could read carefully and understand what was being said.
                  1. venik
                    venik April 10 2020 19: 07 New
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I thought you could read carefully and understand what was being said.

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                    This is exactly what I CAN! And very good! Too MANY scientific articles had to be "shoveled" in due time ...
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    You won’t surprise anyone with hypersound now, but what will happen in 10 years?

                    ========
                    It is very difficult to discuss physics issues with a person who “doesn’t know anything about physics” ... But I’ll try!
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                    Please answer a number of questions:
                    1. The difference between "absolute speed" and "hypersonic";
                    2. At what speed are ICBM warheads (flying 5500 km) entering the atmosphere;
                    3. What energy is required to "throw" a warhead weighing 100 kg, at a distance of 5500 km along a ballistic trajectory and
                    what energy is required to launch a hypersonic missile at the same range (in the sense, is it "more" or "less" than that of a ballistic missile?);
                    Other questions (and there are a dozen more of them), I don’t ask!
                    But these are not questions for me - these are questions for You! When you can answer for YOURSELF, you will understand the DIFFERENCE between the ICBM and the Kyrgyz Republic (even hypersonic)!
                    Variants of the type: "Science develops rapidly, then something will be invented" - ARE NOT ACCEPTED!
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    You are ossified in the 90s

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                    Well, maybe he was "stuck" .... But the laws of physics have not changed since then!
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                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And in comparison with today's ICBMs, in terms of speed, I am sure that new intercontinental-class missiles will be much faster.

                    =========
                    But this is CLASSIC! Classic misunderstanding the laws of physics! (Sorry, apparently you were BAD taught!).
                    If you disperse warheads even faster .... Then they simply .... WILL NOT fly anywhere, but turn into ... ARTIFICIAL SATELLITES of the Earth! laughing
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh April 10 2020 21: 35 New
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                      "If you disperse the warheads even faster .... Then they just .... will not fly anywhere, but turn into ... ARTIFICIAL Satellites of the Earth" ////
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                      And if even faster, then warheads will be able to go into lunar orbit ....
                      There will be fear laughing
                      1. venik
                        venik April 10 2020 21: 43 New
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                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        And if even faster, then warheads will be able to go into lunar orbit ....
                        There will be fear

                        ========
                        good Well, if it's even faster, then Oooo! And Mars "will not seem a little"! drinks
              2. venik
                venik April 10 2020 17: 51 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                The Mace is 12 meters long and 2 meters in diameter ...

                ======
                Sorry! I didn't have time to finish. Ie, you want to say that the Bulava can be launched from 533-mm torpedo tubes, like the Caliber-PL?
                And HOW MUCH does she weigh?
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Vladimir, if my opinion does not coincide with yours, this does not mean that it is not true. And to indicate what to write and how to think is the height of the stupidity that you showed.

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                What do you want "write"Alexey, why"don't write"- this is, of course, your problems. But to confuse ICBMs with CD and not see the difference at the same time, I'm sorry:
                Quote: NEXUS
                this is the height of the stupidity that you showed.

                hi
          2. ver_
            ver_ April 11 2020 04: 04 New
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            ..and * the bowl * will be called - Ruff ..
        3. mintai_kot
          mintai_kot April 10 2020 20: 58 New
          -1
          Good couple!
          1. venik
            venik April 10 2020 21: 46 New
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            Quote: mintai_kot
            Good couple!

            ======
            Well, if you add one more .... That will be a GREAT three! drinks wink
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 10 2020 14: 25 New
        +1
        Husky (dog breed), translated from English - like.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor April 10 2020 14: 51 New
          +2
          In the Russian Federation these are different breeds.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 10 2020 20: 46 New
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Husky (dog breed), translated from English - like.

          Warrior, if you have not noticed yet, then we are talking about 5th generation submarines, and not about hunting dogs!
          But, to the question.
          On April 17, a source told TASS that at the end of 2018, the Malachite Design Bureau had completed research work under the code "Husky", the purpose of which was to determine the appearance of the fifth generation multipurpose nuclear submarine. The Ministry of Defense approved the results obtained ... "After Malachite began the next stage of creating the submarine - OKR under the code "Laika" ",
          And the APRK is called "Laika-VMF" pr.545. It looks like it will look like this:


          It is officially announced that the main weapon of the APRK will be the 3M22 Zircon. NLA and modular design are expected.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 10 2020 21: 28 New
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            Thank you, I did not understand. drinks
            This means that Laika will be developed after Husky.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa April 11 2020 11: 36 New
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              This means that Laika will be developed after Husky.

              Lesh, you are the smart son of the exiled people by God!
              Stop fooling around, you understand perfectly, you know and continue to play the fool!
              (Mice pricked, cried, but continued to eat a cactus! (C)
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 11 2020 11: 45 New
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                I sincerely cannot understand:
                Husky and Laika are two different 5th generation submarines or one
                and the same one under different "code" names?
                Write:
                1) Husky is ...
                2) Laika is ...
                Judging by the comments, not one I got confused in the names.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa April 11 2020 12: 20 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  I sincerely cannot understand:

                  "Well, what do you not understand, guys !?
                  After all, beauty is only only externally pleasant.
                  Everything in the world cannot be beautiful.
                  And for some reason everyone needs happiness! "(C)

                  It's simple: the sailors said: "We want!" - and posted their Wishlist "tadpoles" ...
                  The pointing finger jabbed at Malachite and commanded: UNDERSTAND and IMAGINE! And those "puzzled", drooping their eyes down, snuffling their noses and swearing through their teeth, walked driven by the wind, scorched by the sun into their office .... Yes-ah-ah, here!
                  Further - R&D. But it was divided into 2 stages: "HUSKY" and "LAIKA".
                  - "HUSKY" - this is research work (research, brainstorming, variations, concepts) to determine the appearance, composition of weapons, the concept of used / application, etc. ON PAPER (in the sense of Wishlist-variations-concepts in 3D performance on a computer). R&D was presented to the scientific and technical commission. For the first time, the soldiers wrapped up the tadpoles and did not accept the offer. They went to "refine, recycle, muddy it again!" From the second time, the sailors seemed to agree: - WILL GO!
                  Next, the stage of development work (development work), which was called LIKE. This is the stage of full-scale modeling of units and assemblies from conjugation to systems and complexes. As well as full-scale (to scale) models and crawling with them in the pools of research centers and polygons.
                  As a result of all this "stirring" at the exit should get APRK project 545 Laika-VMF.

                  BOTTOM LINE: NIR + OCD = R&D or: Husky + Laika = LIKE Navy.
                  EVERYTHING! laughing
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh April 11 2020 13: 51 New
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                    OK thanks! Good luck! drinks
                2. venik
                  venik April 11 2020 12: 36 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Husky and Laika are two different 5th generation submarines or one

                  =======
                  Alexei! It is the same! But the modifications - may be different.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 April 11 2020 15: 01 New
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Americans are concerned about the creation of the nuclear submarine Laika in Russia

        Project Laika and Husky, are they one nuclear submarine?


        Yes. Judging by all means, yes. yes
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 April 11 2020 15: 04 New
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          Sergey from Lysychansk, remember whose flag you have on your ava.
          Do not be so petty-petty, do not slide to srach ...

          I really hope that you will draw the right conclusions from the received message, and I will not have to intervene for real.
          12:53
          Apparently, rudeness and arrogance have taken possession of you more than I expected ...

          After all, he offered to stay in a good way ... He did not heed the requests no. Your choice is yes.

          There are only problems behind him ...
          14:20
          Check on coronavirus. Suddenly it will help. What is so catchy? So I'm doing everything right laughing
          14:28
          photo
          You started correctly, or rather stated that you would do the right thing when you adopted the flag of the DPR in 2015 ...

          And ... Do you really think that you became a "marshal of VO" solely because you are "the best"?
          Deeply lost ...

          That's all, support is over, harsh everyday life began. And it's not a fact that they don't transform the "marshal" into "skulls" ...

          A modest beginning has already been made.

          Wretch, a boor, who does not remember good - boor ...
          And so what is happening what is happening? Well, where is the freedom of speech !? Guide website vkurse?
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 April 11 2020 08: 09 New
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      Does Laika mean? The first time I hear. Well, like a Russian dog, unlike a husky.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 10 2020 11: 05 New
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    Russia deliberately teases foreign analysts, not giving full information about its latest military developments.
    And how she infuriates her! )))
    1. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya April 11 2020 14: 17 New
      -3
      A comparison of the characteristics of Laika and Virginia shows that domestic development is significantly superior to the US. "Laika" has a greater displacement, is capable of diving to greater depths and has a more diverse arsenal of weapons. Of particular interest are the means of combating the submarines of a potential enemy.

      I love such "news" - "Virginias" are already built, heaps are built, and "Likes" are just being discussed, but what a balm for the soul of hurray-hats - all "Virginias" we will beat them! All that remains is to build them, but that doesn't matter, right? The main thing now is to rejoice at how we are all fencing "Likes" (which are not). Yes, I almost forgot, how much is the "raw material superpower" selling oil and gas now? Yes, and recently someone said that despite all the efforts of the government and the Central Bank (they tried so hard, they tried so hard) "negative growth is expected" of the economy - just "Likes". build.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 10 2020 11: 11 New
    +4
    not giving complete information about their latest military developments.
    It is not clear whether the roofing felts are serious, they include the "Afanas"? For example, can you give full information about your "Virginia"?
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 10 2020 11: 28 New
    +3
    Americans, as often happens with them, start to raise a panic out of the blue. In fact, nothing is known about the future "Likes", except that they will be armed with Zirconia in addition to Calibers; design is still in progress, and far from the stage of final improvements; the series (as practice shows) is unlikely to consist of more than 10-12 submarines - and Virginia has almost three dozen submarines in the United States, along with those ordered.
    Either their journalists write such articles only for the sake of intimidating the population with "Putin's formidable weapon", or all this is being done in order to beg another 100500 billion from Congress in a couple of years to protect against the "Russian threat"
  5. Keeping
    Keeping April 10 2020 11: 41 New
    +4
    I called my friends in the states, so they are really worried about the creation of an autonomous submarine Laika in Russia.
    Americans are not puzzled by either the coronavirus or the crisis - their prospect of our submarine is worried ...
    1. venik
      venik April 10 2020 11: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Keeping
      Americans are not puzzled by either the coronavirus or the crisis - their prospect of our submarine is worried ...

      =======
      Well, right! Empty and NEXT worried !!! laughing
    2. dgonni
      dgonni April 10 2020 12: 17 New
      +2
      What nonsense is that? If you read the Washington Post or New York Times, then it is the virus that occupies the Americans right up to the middle of the newspaper. Further problems of the economy and the way out are looking for a crisis. The questions of Russian submarines are not worth 10th place in the ranking of concern.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr April 10 2020 12: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Keeping
      I called my friends in the states, so they are really worried about the creation of an autonomous submarine Laika in Russia.

      As I understand it, they pinned it on you?
      Quote: Keeping
      Americans are not puzzled by either the coronavirus or the crisis - their prospect of our submarine is worried ...

      It looks like American guys with humor, and it pleases, because this is a good sign of the adequacy of a person.
      As for the article itself, this text says that the Americans so far have no exact information about the project:
      American edition of National Interest analyzed the information on the project of the new Russian fifth-generation nuclear submarine Laika, project 545.

      Firstly, it is not clear at what level R&D is and what conclusions will be drawn to speak now about adopting a series of such boats. Secondly, it could be a special throw-in, in order to intimidate the congressmen, which we have seen more than once.
      As they say in Odessa - "Let's take a look" ...
      1. Keeping
        Keeping April 10 2020 12: 32 New
        +4
        You can chat with absolutely any American, say via Facebook.
        So, regardless of gender and age, everyone will answer that he is concerned about the development of the Laika submarine in Russia!
        For them, this is number one problem, psychologists already have specialization in the problem of PL Laika.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 10 2020 12: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Keeping
          You can chat with absolutely any American, say via Facebook.

          In the XNUMXs, I personally spoke with a professor from Chicago, a prominent scientist well-known in marine bioresources, and he, having stayed with us, himself laughed about his phobias about the USSR. It was the color of American science, and these people, communicating with us and working with us, will never believe in American propaganda. By the way, he was buried in Sevastopol, as he lived there for the last years of his life and consulted with specialists from the Institute of Biology of the South Seas back when Crimea was Ukrainian. So Americans are different - not everyone there who believes only in what their media write.
          Quote: Keeping
          For them, this is number one problem, psychologists already have specialization in the problem of PL Laika.

          It is enchanting. But I think that you are just kidding the readers of the forum.
          1. Cat Kuzya
            Cat Kuzya April 11 2020 14: 29 New
            +1
            Yes ... it's hard here, the irony of the gentleman, under the nickname Keeping, comes to the "hurray-patriots" (or rather, does not reach at all) ... laughing lol
  6. antique
    antique April 10 2020 11: 47 New
    -14
    It is unlikely that Russia has changed
    conditions, after a stupid loss in the oil war, will be able to pull out a whole series of new submarines.
    Moreover, sequestration has already begun, and political turbulence lies ahead.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 10 2020 12: 06 New
      +6
      . It is unlikely that Russia has changed
      after a stupid loss in the oil war,
      and from this place more ...
      1. antique
        antique April 10 2020 12: 52 New
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        Quote: aszzz888
        and from this place more ...

        5th of March. Russia is withdrawing from a transaction with OPEC, as it does not want to reduce oil production by more than 0,3 million barrels per day.
        April 8th. Russia is ready to reduce production by 1,6-1,8 million barrels per day.
        This is what any geopolitical victory of Putin looks like.
        Moreover, the Saudis mined 9 million before Novak’s escape from OPEC, then they began to mine 12 million, and the countdown will go from 11 million. That is, the Saudis return to the FORMER oil production.
        Cit. Formally, most of all production will have to be reduced by Russia and Saudi Arabia - by 2,4 million barrels per day. At the same time, according to Kommersant, the biggest difference between current volumes and estimated indicators is for Russia, where oil production will actually fall by 1,8 million barrels per day.
        1. yfast
          yfast April 10 2020 23: 23 New
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          The less oil we sell, the more we leave it to our descendants and the sooner we begin to engage in production seriously. This is victory.
    2. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn April 10 2020 12: 32 New
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      Quote: Antique
      after a stupid loss in the oil war

      The Saudis started the oil war, whether or not the Americans suggested it is another matter. The Russian Federation simply adopted new "rules of the game" and did not agree to a unilateral reduction. The Saudis demanded a disproportionate reduction in all but their own. So send your cry about the lost war to them.
      Quote: Antique
      and ahead of political turbulence

      laughing You are not back from the Estonian seminar on the collapse of Russia?
      1. antique
        antique April 10 2020 13: 55 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        The Russian Federation simply adopted new "rules of the game" and did not agree to a unilateral reduction.

        Yandex news. Just now. On the one hand, Saudi Arabia showed muscle and pointed Russia to its modest place in the world: the oil power quickly increased production from 9,6 million to 12,3 million barrels, distributed discounts of 10, 7 and 6 dollars from Brent prices for Europe, the USA and Asia, respectively, and made Russian oil unnecessary in the world. On the other hand, because of quarantine and the fight against coronavirus in Europe, 5-6 million barrels per day were redundant, in Asia - 6-7 million barrels, and in the USA - 5-6 million barrels. In total, from 15 to 20 million barrels began go to storage and these storage should overflow by the end of May.
        The falling prices and problems with the sale of oil led to obvious consequences for Russia: 35% of the country's budget, which, according to its leader, got rid of oil dependence, in fact depends on oil exports, and the current state of affairs faces a deficit of 4-7% GDP. The country can make up the deficit only from the National Welfare Fund, which reached 14% of GDP. It’s impossible to borrow from the Ministry of Finance - neither domestic nor foreign investors invest in Russia's public debt due to sanctions and low oil prices. Therefore, President Vladimir Putin had no choice but to give up and agree to the conditions of Saudi Arabia, and the Saudis prescribed extremely tough parameters for an intractable partner.
        1. antique
          antique April 10 2020 13: 56 New
          -5
          To be continued. Cit.
          To stop the collapse in prices, 24 OPEC + countries proposed removing 10 million barrels per day from the world market. They divided this volume among themselves, but Saudi Arabia and Russia should have borne the main burden. Moscow agreed to cut off 23% of its production. Both Russia and Saudi Arabia took a cutoff level of 11,3 million barrels and promised in May and June to lower production to 8,5 million barrels per day. The trick of the Saudis is that their production a month ago was 9,4-9,8 million barrels, while in Russia it did not change. Therefore, in fact, the Saudis will abandon about 1 million barrels, and Russia - from 2,8 million. The difference is also that Saudi Arabia easily preserves its wells in the sand, but in Russia some of them can be buried due to difficult production conditions.
          1. antique
            antique April 10 2020 14: 16 New
            -6
            Figures on the reduction of oil production by Russia differ somewhat. But all the same, the falling volumes are colossal. Putin lost his next mediocre "multi-move". Tough times await us. And no matter how much you punch yourself in the chest, no matter how much you puff out your cheeks, this is not a victory, but an inglorious loss.
            1. antique
              antique April 10 2020 14: 19 New
              -5
              What did Russia ultimately lose in the oil war? Firstly, a large volume of production - instead of 0,3 million barrels as much as 2,8 million. The Kremlin had to agree to all the requirements of the Saudis. Secondly, the European and Asian markets were lost, which Saudi oil poured into. Thirdly, it was not possible to hit the shale production - only one company went bankrupt, but the industry as a whole showed its flexibility and will continue to be a factor in energy policy in the next decade. Fourth, Russia has done tremendous damage to its own oil industry - a massive reduction could lead to the loss of part of Soviet wells in Western Siberia. Fifthly, a decline in production of 2,8 million barrels at low oil prices will deprive the economy of up to 5% of GDP. There is nothing that Russia would win in this confrontation. Meaningless and merciless. Yandex news.
            2. yfast
              yfast April 10 2020 23: 25 New
              -1
              Difficult times await Ukraine, I agree.
    3. lev1759
      lev1759 April 10 2020 13: 56 New
      +4
      after a stupid loss in the oil war,

      Oops ... Russia has lost, and firms go bankrupt in the United States. Cool "loss" ...
      1. antique
        antique April 10 2020 14: 23 New
        -6
        Quote: lev1759
        Oops ... Russia has lost, and firms go bankrupt in the United States. Cool "loss" ...

        YOU just think calmly and compare the facts. Cit. ... it was not possible to strike at shale production - only one company went bankrupt, but the industry as a whole showed its flexibility and will continue to be a factor in energy policy in the next decade.
        Cit. ... a decrease in production of 2,8 million barrels at low oil prices will rob the economy of up to 5% of GDP. There is nothing that Russia would win in this confrontation. ... Russia caused tremendous damage to its own oil industry - a large-scale reduction could lead to the loss of part of Soviet wells in Western Siberia.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 10 2020 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Antique
          Cit. .

          Cit-cit-cit ... More cit. fellow And he threw and threw everything ... laughing
          1. antique
            antique April 10 2020 16: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: Antique
            Cit. .

            Cit-cit-cit ... More cit. fellow And he threw and threw everything ... laughing

            Exactly. You don't understand well in another way. And so, you look and it will come. On another branch, my counterpart beats like a bird in a cage, everything writes "no links, give links." Here! laughing
  7. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod April 10 2020 12: 56 New
    +5
    First, bring the fourth generation to mind, and then think about the fifth ...

    Hunters are needed now and no matter what generation of the fourth, fifth or tenth. A kind of shortened, lightened Ash, displacement of 7000-8000 tons, 6 missile silos and 6 torpedo tubes.
    1. Errr
      Errr April 10 2020 13: 46 New
      +1
      Presumably "Laiki" will have a displacement of more than 11000 tons with 16 missiles on board in 4 launchers (4x4) plus 8 bow TA.
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod April 10 2020 14: 33 New
        0
        Why is she so healthy? sad

        Then let it be better without rocket mines at all. Only torpedo tubes with the ability to launch Caliber and Onyx.
        1. Errr
          Errr April 10 2020 15: 19 New
          -1
          A serious adversary requires serious opposition.
          1. Connor MacLeod
            Connor MacLeod April 10 2020 15: 53 New
            +3
            This is something from the series "Our chips are the largest in the world!"
            1. Errr
              Errr April 10 2020 15: 56 New
              -2
              Rather, this means that the American aircraft carriers are the largest in the world. smile
              1. Connor MacLeod
                Connor MacLeod April 10 2020 16: 10 New
                +2
                Against the aircraft carrier there is Ash, so who will cover Ash from Virginia from the AUG?
                1. Errr
                  Errr April 10 2020 17: 03 New
                  -3
                  Laika should be a very quiet boat of the next generation. In terms of its armament, it will be a lightweight version of the Ash, but due to its low noise, it will be extremely difficult to detect by the enemy. This hunter will not need cover.
  8. rusich
    rusich April 10 2020 13: 18 New
    0
    What a worried nation
  9. Peter is not the first
    Peter is not the first April 10 2020 14: 10 New
    0
    If the enemy begins to praise our weapons, it means that they will soon have a new budget sharing and new records of the military unit.
  10. Mentat
    Mentat April 10 2020 14: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Antique
    Quote: aszzz888
    and from this place more ...

    5th of March. Russia is withdrawing from a transaction with OPEC, as it does not want to reduce oil production by more than 0,3 million barrels per day.
    April 8th. Russia is ready to reduce production by 1,6-1,8 million barrels per day.
    This is what any geopolitical victory of Putin looks like.
    Moreover, the Saudis mined 9 million before Novak’s escape from OPEC, then they began to mine 12 million, and the countdown will go from 11 million. That is, the Saudis return to the FORMER oil production.
    Cit. Formally, most of all production will have to be reduced by Russia and Saudi Arabia - by 2,4 million barrels per day. At the same time, according to Kommersant, the biggest difference between current volumes and estimated indicators is for Russia, where oil production will actually fall by 1,8 million barrels per day.

    It's funny, but this text on VO migrates from one local bot to another without changes.

    And they still say that they’re not working according to the manuals.
  11. Chingachguk
    Chingachguk April 10 2020 14: 40 New
    0
    "American experts assume that Russia will produce about ten such submarines. But, given their high cost, they do not think that work on them will begin before 2023. At the same time, concern is expressed over the very fact of the appearance of such submarines in the Russian Navy."
    But in vain they don’t think .... It’s useful to think !!!!! The S-500 air defense system, as it were, doesn’t, and if you think about it well, it is there, and if necessary, it will work out to the fullest ..... You need to think more and less to bother !!!!!
  12. Old26
    Old26 April 10 2020 18: 15 New
    +3
    Quote: NEXUS
    And most likely, the same ICBMs there will not be as bulky as they are now, but the Caliber-M format.

    And they will fly at the speed of "Caliber". That is, they will be subsonic.
    As the famous Georges Miroslavsky said - "This is a new direction in science and technology" laughing laughing

    Quote: venik
    Perhaps it meant that "Husky" is the internal name of the design organization, and "Laika" will be the official name of the project .....

    As a matter of fact, they wrote, namesake, "Husky" is an NIR code, and "Laika" is an OCD code ...

    Quote: venik
    According to the SALT-2 Treaty, missiles with a range of more than 5 km are considered "intercontinental". There are cruise missiles Kh-500 (non-nuclear) and Kh-101 (TN warheads) airborne, the range of which reaches 102 km (and according to some (unverified) data with low-power nuclear warheads even up to 5 km),

    In fact, the namesake, they wrote that not the nuclear X-101 has a range of 4500 km, but the nuclear one - up to 5500 km. Moreover, when launched from an aircraft. All other performance characteristics in the form of 7000 km (and sometimes they wrote that even 10 km) is an ordinary linden, replicated by our media. The weight distribution of such a missile is not such that it could "fly away" at a distance of 000 km or more ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    Fuel, technologies do not stand still. 25 years ago, Garnet flew 2000 km ... now, his modernized "grandson" will fly 4500 km.

    The grenade flew over a distance of 2500 km. Will the "Caliber-M" fly at such a distance - while it is written on the water with a pitchfork ...

    Quote: NEXUS
    Reducing the dimensions of missiles will have a very significant effect on reducing the dimensions of the carrier, and therefore its visibility, price, etc. ... Pandora like Sineva will very soon be a thing of the past.

    Reducing the dimensions, of course, reduce the dimensions of the carrier, but the most crazy offer you have is that with the new technologies of ICBMs the dimensions of the winged ones have been achieved. In the long run and not close. Moreover, reducing the size of SLBMs is not an end in itself. The missile must fulfill its functions. And even our one-piece, the smallest ICBM had a length of 13 meters with a diameter of 1 step in 1,4. And all the rest (with RGCh) - from 15 to 22,5 meters with a diameter of the first stage of 1,4-1,8. So Pandora-type bandura will last a long time. And promising SLBMs will not differ much from the existing ones. By weight - maybe.

    Quote: Keeping
    You can chat with absolutely any American, say via Facebook.

    Why via Facebook. You can also personally. A brother and nephew came to a neighbor the day before yesterday. The neighbor is a retiree. Therefore, by the end of the evening, the speech turned to military-political problems. So, these Americans don't give a damn about Laika ... They really understand perfectly how you can bring a person to psychosis. But so far there is no psychosis in relation to a non-existent boat ...

    Quote: ccsr
    Firstly, it is not clear at what level R&D is

    Kamrad! If my sclerosis does not fail me, then last year it was announced that R&D had been completed and OCD had begun. So OCD at the initial stage ...
  13. tinkle
    tinkle April 10 2020 19: 21 New
    +4
    Huskies, Husky ... We would have to tighten the old tails. 949A, 971 to modernize, Nakhimov, Chebanenko, etc. + Ash-trees, Boreas, and carriers with Poseidons to finish. and then ten things started, but not a single finished
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe April 11 2020 20: 47 New
      0
      Chebanenko

      Chabanenko

      Bpk Ave. 1155.1
  14. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 10 2020 19: 35 New
    +1
    The Americans were not afraid of the boat, but of the Laika boat project, and have they become so "shy" long ago?
  15. 1536
    1536 April 10 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    "Laika"? Just don't tell the Americans that there is also Belka and Strelka.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe April 11 2020 20: 48 New
      -1
      "Belka and Strelka".

      On tereshkova - face!
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 April 12 2020 08: 54 New
      0
      Pinocchio and Cheburashka already in stock?
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  17. Gust
    Gust April 10 2020 21: 59 New
    +1
    As for lycophobia, this banter was so thick ... Well, with oil, it's time to get off this needle. Anyway.
  18. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 10 2020 22: 31 New
    0
    Quote: venik
    Quote: KCA
    From what was openly written, "Laika" and "Husky" are two unified boats for different purposes, like the "Husky" RPKSN, and "Laika" is a hunter

    =======
    Well, let's start with the information that the name of the project was "Laika" (code "Husky"). What is the difference between "project" and "cipher" - request Perhaps it meant that "Husky" is the internal name of the design organization, and "Laika" will be the official name of the project .....
    So this is essentially the same thing. The fact that two - also seemed to be said. But the fact that one of them will be the SSBN - I hear about this for the first time! Yes, this is unrealistic - too different requirements for nuclear submarines and SSBNs!
    But that there will be two options: 1) - "anti-submarine" with PLUR 91R1 and 2) - "shock" with "Zircons" - they wrote ...
    But I just don’t get it: If the Zircon is compatible with the Caliber-PL system, then why should the “manifest” do TWO options, if in this case the “intended purpose” will be determined by the composition of the weapons loaded on board? ?? request

    everyone remembers the quote "Operation" Y ", so that no one would guess"
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 11 2020 08: 58 New
    0
    I thought that already on the bridge for a long time the LCD panel on all walls ....
  20. VladVlad
    VladVlad April 11 2020 09: 52 New
    0
    Enemies track all of our submarines every second. Keeping sight of all of our submarines around the clock. Therefore, even as you call the submarine, it is still an easy target. Our submarines should have the following performance characteristics: speed from 600 km and above, immersion depth up to 12 km. have flow control technologies, which makes the submarine invisible to all types of detection systems. Why don't developers introduce these new breakthrough technologies? They are developed in Russia, there is even a patent.
    1. really
      really April 11 2020 11: 54 New
      0
      You can’t troll so many of the local population, you have to call the orderlies laughing
  21. V.I.P.
    V.I.P. April 11 2020 11: 15 New
    +1
    The numbers of boats that are in service with them and with us are incomparable. And when this "like" appears ... All the words of the amerikosov about our threat (individual copies of our products) are intimidating the layman and knocking out money for the military budget. And these are kickbacks for warriors and profit for industrialists ... As elsewhere in any country with a capitalist system, everything is the same ...))) .....
  22. venik
    venik April 11 2020 12: 36 New
    0
    Quote: venik
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Husky and Laika are two different 5th generation submarines or one

    =======
    Alexei! It is the same! But the modifications - may be different.
  23. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 12 2020 03: 59 New
    +1
    What are they Americans all the time worried about? request Even though it's time for them to perform the old song in a new way: "Oh, the Washington town ... I'm worried ... I'm restless, calm me down!" ...