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There were questions on the ExoMars-2020 program in connection with the detection of defects in Proton-M missiles

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It became known about the discovery of another marriage in Russian space rockets. We are talking about Proton-M launch vehicles, which belong to the heavy class.


According to the latest data, a new quality control system developed by specialists of Roscosmos allowed to identify marriage in Proton. Thanks to this system, the marriage was detected in rockets that were produced 4-5 years ago.

Initially, it was reported that in early March of this year, defects were identified in two Proton-M missiles. Then this was reported with reference to a source “close to the Khrunichev State Scientific and Production Center”, Vedomosti reported. One of the missiles was supposed to put Express satellites into orbit, the second was intended for the implementation of the ExoMars-2020 project.

Now reported on three launch vehicles with a defective marriage. According to RIA News, three rockets will be returned from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to the Khrunichev State Center mentioned above.

There are no official reports about exactly what defects were detected in the Proton-M missiles. However, the media mentions problems with the strength of individual parts that turned out to be overheated during production at the enterprise. So far, these statements have not been confirmed by official sources, but have not been denied.

In connection with the "recall" of rockets from Baikonur, questions arise about the timely implementation of the space programs for which they were carried out, including ExoMars-2020. This program is being implemented by Russia together with European partners. In May 2016, the launch was already postponed. Then it was considered that the launch should take place in July 2020. This time is the so-called “launch window” for the spacecraft intended for the exploration of Mars. Will there be a new transfer, or will the mission still be realized in the summer of 2020?
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS April 10 2020 08: 03 New
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    They destroyed the Soviet system of military representatives, but did not create a new one. Here we have a marriage, in such an area
    1. Finches
      Finches April 10 2020 08: 12 New
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      There are military representatives, only there is no sense in them today - but that's another story! The basis of marriage is always either inability, or ignorance, or a disregard for the case of a particular person or group of persons by prior agreement! Bodies need to figure out whether it’s from curiosity or with malicious intent! Maybe the first, but in the second I believe more!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 10 2020 08: 14 New
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        Quote: Finches
        There are military representatives, only there is no sense in them today - but that's another story!

        What are these military representatives now that miss an obvious marriage?
        1. Finches
          Finches April 10 2020 08: 18 New
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          I say - by prior conspiracy - to understand who should be, you need to!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 42 New
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            Well, who conspired with whom?
            And most importantly for what?
            1. Finches
              Finches April 10 2020 09: 54 New
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              Yes, there are many options! For example, they carried out as a licensed part at its real price, and delivered counterfeit, Chinese laughing The difference in your pocket! Or the party was already defective, but the money was spent - they put it in Russian maybe, and who needs to be greased ... But you never know! Maybe a sabotage - the kids came from where they needed to and recruited someone ... So they have to figure it out! Is there intention or not!
              There in Voenmeh, where, by the way, they are preparing military envoys on missile topics, the Chinese somehow recruited two professors and fine ... And you say why ...
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 00 New
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                Quote: Finches
                For example, they carried out as a licensed part at its real price, and delivered counterfeit, Chinese

                Class !!! Distorted and set minus laughing
                Remind
                What are these military representatives now that miss an obvious marriage?

                Talk about military representatives who missed marriage
                Chinese consumer goods at what?
                Or are they already making proton parts in China?
                Maybe a sabotage - the kids came from where necessary and recruited someone ...

                Don’t watch TV and detectives don’t read, otherwise soon spy everyone around.
                1. Finches
                  Finches April 10 2020 10: 02 New
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                  I brought you an incident from my life — my colleagues, at that time, in the teaching department, the Chinese special services recruited — they both closed ... Both experts in the field of rocket science.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 05 New
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                    And I tell you that no one will go to recruit a hard worker.
                    After a glass, he will hand over the entire intelligence network
                    1. Finches
                      Finches April 10 2020 10: 09 New
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                      I’m sorry, you just voiced - for the intelligence services of any country - there is no garbage - there are personnel, this is first! Secondly, it doesn’t matter what a person is selling for, a glass or a dollar. And thirdly, you voluntarily or involuntarily all ordinary workers of high-tech and engineering-complex production of space technology in drunks, but it’s half the trouble, potential traitors have written ... So it’s not good! hi
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 23 New
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                        Quote: Finches
                        - there are shots, this is first!

                        Enough to get out.
                        You yourself perfectly understand that not one agent will not go to recruit a turner Uncle Fedya so that he grinds the marriage
                        And thirdly, you voluntarily or involuntarily recorded all ordinary employees of the high-tech and engineering-complex production of space technology in the drunkards ..

                        This is how so I wrote them in drunks?
                        Said the man had a drink? It's all"?
                        Or want to say that in
                        high-tech and most sophisticated in the engineering plan for the production of space technology

                        Do teetotalers work all the time? And after the pay they do not use?
                        It’s not interesting to talk to you.
                        When you have nothing to say, you either distort or transfer to the ideological plane.
                        Bored with you ... request
                      2. Finches
                        Finches April 10 2020 10: 31 New
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                        Boring - don't talk like that! Eco not seen - I will not be at a loss laughing

                        It’s not only Uncle Feda who is recruited, who is not just Uncle Fedya, but also an employee of the military-industrial complex ... People are recruited more simply ...

                        About the glass, I see, have you wiped from your comment? It’s right - there’s nothing to beted on people! And consuming and selling the Motherland is a bit different things!

                        And by the way, I don’t ever put any cons to anyone - I’m neither hot nor cold from them — I have long gone out of age to find out, especially on the Internet, who writes to the wall above! laughing hi
                      3. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 37 New
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                        Quote: Finches
                        And by the way, I’m never putting any cons to anyone

                        Sorry, I didn’t notice that my “fan” came in. hi
                        Other fans ask their idols for autographs, here is my “fan” of me
                        minus laughing
                      4. Finches
                        Finches April 10 2020 10: 40 New
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                        hi Good! And after all, there are a lot of such minusers in the VO minusers! I could not understand their motivation - if in the heat of argument - this is one thing, but like that - just like that ... request
                      5. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 41 New
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                        Quote: Finches
                        And after all, there are a lot of such minus

                        And here I have personal laughing
                        Even without reading the minus laughing
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey April 11 2020 04: 56 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              And I tell you that no one will go to recruit a hard worker.
              After a glass, he will hand over the entire intelligence network

              And for how many glasses of "hard workers" at least the same Yak-141 passed?
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 11 2020 04: 59 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                And for how many glasses of "hard workers" at least the same Yak-141 passed?

                FSB help desk on another site.
                And they will hand over the SPY for a glass
              2. mat-vey
                mat-vey April 11 2020 05: 49 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                FSB help desk on another site.

                Well, and then some grudges - you yourself didn’t try to be rude? Maybe the "-" will be less ... Although the Internet is a paradise for tram haml ...
      2. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx April 10 2020 20: 34 New
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        Chinese consumer goods at what?
        Or are they already making proton parts in China?
        They put low-quality bolts there, the media circulated several days ago. So, they could have bought Chinese.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 11 2020 05: 02 New
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          Quote: svd-xnumx
          So they could have bought Chinese

          It is possible you have a coronary virus of the brain. Well, or the English Hiley Likely Syndrome
          Such a concern has everything
          It makes no sense to them to procure such small things on the side.
          If you bake pies at home, go shopping at a street kiosk?
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 April 10 2020 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Finches
      For example, they spent it as a licensed part at its real price, and put a counterfeit, Chinese difference in your pocket! Or the party was already defective, but the money was spent - they put it in Russian maybe, and who should be greased ..

      Of course, I don’t exclude such options, but ... The military representative, accepting the group (assembly unit, assembly, assembly), signs the acceptance (which means that the assembly is fully compliant with the design documentation and the design documentation and is approved for operation). This signature is like a fingerprint of a guilty person calculated as two fingers. For this, you can go to the owner for 10 years
    3. bayard
      bayard April 10 2020 20: 01 New
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      Quote: Finches
      Yes, there are many options

      They didn’t take into account one, which is also probable .. At the same Voronezh plant, people were stupidly not paid / paid pennies, plus they reduced staff, overloaded people with work, putting on non-specialized areas ... people were offended, put up, then left, but with In this respect, could quality be expected? If almost the entire payroll went to the administration? The same case with the “wrong solder”, is it there that the storekeeper is to blame for getting sick?
      People leaving such work could also “thank” - to complete the work for the exact amount that they were paid ...
      It is necessary to start any investigation with the administration, with the management of the company, enterprise, industry. The leader is ALWAYS to blame. In the words of Comrade Stalin, "or the enemy, or ... stupid man."
      If the director of the bankrupt factory has a salary like that of the general director of a Boeing, and people who are responsible for their jobs and with unique qualifications receive less than a guest worker janitor ... the very first thing to do is put such a leader and his accomplices against the wall. Of course with confiscation.

      You must pay for the qualification!
      And take care of people.
      Then the rockets rush to distant planets.
      And do not explode at the start.
      And fly.
      And they will return safely.

      And the first person in charge is Rogozin.
      ... Space leader. no
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow April 10 2020 21: 49 New
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        The slave rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail !!!
  • Genry
    Genry April 10 2020 09: 50 New
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    Quote: APASUS
    What are these military representatives now that miss an obvious marriage?

    Over-bolts - is this a clear marriage?
    It would be interesting to see how you would distinguish them from normal ones.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 03 New
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      Quote: Genry
      It would be interesting to see how you would distinguish them from normal ones.

      Once redirected, then the process itself is broken. And the entire temperature and hardening time is documented.
      It’s not necessary to twist the bolt in your hands, just look through the recordings of devices
      1. Genry
        Genry April 10 2020 10: 06 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        just look at the recordings of devices

        What kind of appliances?
        Just wrote so?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 10: 09 New
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          Temperature sensors for example. They are recorders that record the temperature in real time.
          From these records you can find out what the temperature in the furnace was and how long the quenching took
          1. Genry
            Genry April 10 2020 11: 01 New
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            Quote: Lipchanin
            They are recorders that record the temperature in real time.

            In fact, the temperature of the part rather than the furnace and the cooling mode are important for hardening. It requires full automation, which is not possible with piece production.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin April 10 2020 11: 24 New
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              Quote: Genry
              In fact, the temperature of the part rather than the furnace and the cooling mode are important for hardening.

              You want to say that the temperature in the furnace is not important and is not indicated in the manufacturing process?
              Then how do you achieve the desired temperature of the part?
              Full automation is needed here,

              Does automation need control? Or do we have no recorders?
              Yes, now the recorders are on trucks
              which is not possible with piece production.

              RJUNIMAGU laughing
              The bolts, namely the bolts you gave as an example, are manufactured individually? laughing
              And where did you get that parts for missiles that need to be hardened also hardened by the piece, and not in batches?
              1. Genry
                Genry April 10 2020 11: 49 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                You want to say that the temperature in the furnace is not important and is not indicated in the manufacturing process?

                Why did you think about the stove? Now it’s not like the Stone Age ... And what is the temperature in the kitchen microwave?

                Critical is only the temperature of the part.
                Quote: Lipchanin
                RZHUNIMAGU laughing
                The bolts, namely the bolts you gave as an example, are manufactured individually? laughing

                You probably meant the bolts for the cart (you can see how neighing ... tongue )
                Here is an article about space and it’s clearly about bolts connecting highly loaded elements (side accelerators, ...). There are only a few of them.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 15 New
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                  Quote: Genry

                  Why did you think about the stove? Now it’s not like the Stone Age ... And what is the temperature in the kitchen microwave?

                  Isn't the microwave an oven?
                  Is the problem "not in the Stone Age" measure the temperature?
                  Critical is only the temperature of the part.

                  Yes, the temperature of the part directly depends on the temperature in the furnace
                  Is not it?
                  You probably meant the bolts for the cart (you can see how neigh ... tongue)

                  And I laugh, because you, without knowing the ford, got into the water
                  Let me remind you where the discussion began.
                  Quote: APASUS
                  What are these military representatives now that miss an obvious marriage?

                  Over-bolts - Is this a clear marriage?
                  It would be interesting to see how you would distinguish them from normal ones.

                  If you deign to enter into the conversation, then look at it completely
                2. Genry
                  Genry April 10 2020 12: 31 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Is the problem "not in the Stone Age" measure the temperature?

                  Well, what did your measurements show?
                  In wave furnaces there is only one characteristic: power. You must "catch" the temperature - this will be the moment of readiness. And time is proportionally dependent on the inherent mass.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Yes, the temperature of the part directly depends on the temperature in the furnace
                  Is not it?

                  The heating power and time, which will give volumetric energy, which, given the mass, gives the necessary temperature.
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  If you deign to enter into the conversation, then look at it completely

                  Where did I step back from the context of the topic of the article?
                  The same bolts and their hardening quality.
                3. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 53 New
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                  Quote: Genry
                  Well, what did your measurements show?

                  Slightly different from yours
                  You must "catch" the temperature -

                  Well yes. In the "Stoneless Age" there is no automation
                  The heating power and time, which will give volumetric energy, which, given the mass, gives the necessary temperature.

                  So all the same, the temperature in the furnace affects the heating
                  Where did I step back from the context of the topic of the article?
                  The same bolts and their hardening quality.

                  Here
                  You probably meant the bolts for the cart (you can see how neighing ...
  • Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 10 2020 11: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Once redirected, then the process itself is broken. And the entire temperature and hardening time is documented.
    It’s not necessary to twist the bolt in your hands, just look through the recordings of devices

    The technical process is written for the part from a specific material. If the steel is different, then the output may turn out to be completely different from what was supposed, even with observing the temperature-time regimes. But how to distinguish steel by eye without conducting chemical analysis? Outwardly, that St3, that 09G2S (for example) are exactly the same
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 11: 49 New
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      Quote: Gregory_45
      The technical process is written for the part from a specific material.

      Right.
      Correctly

      The technical process is written for the part from a specific material. If the steel is different, then the output may turn out to be completely different from what was supposed, even with observing the temperature-time regimes.

      But we are not discussing brand details but
      the strength of individual parts that turned out to be overdone

      About the fact that the "grenades of the wrong system" speech is not conducted
      They also tell me that it is impossible to control and fix the whole process.
      What kind of appliances?
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 10 2020 11: 59 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        But we are not discussing brand details but
        the strength of individual parts that are overheated

        I would not believe so recklessly reporters (who are usually very, very far from production technology). It is necessary to conduct a comprehensive check: what kind of steel, where did it come from, does its real chemical composition (grade) comply with GOST and the accompanying documentation; verification of the actual parameters of the hardening process; serviceability check of equipment (furnace) in which hardening was carried out, etc.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 18 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          I would not believe so recklessly reporters (who are usually very, very far from production technology).

          Again, journalists were not talking
          They began to discuss purely technical problems.
          In this case, the hardening of the part
        2. Liam
          Liam April 10 2020 15: 31 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          It is necessary to conduct a comprehensive check:

          the defect was discovered during tests of the second stage of the rocket, and in March it was a question of replacing more than a thousand bolts, which are an important element in the fuel lines.

          These bolts were made in the Urals - at the Ust-Katavsky Carriage Works, which, in addition to trams, produces special products for space applications, three sources in the space industry confirmed.

          The production of bolts here was transferred several years ago from the Khrunichev Center as part of the optimization. After the marriage was discovered, several commissions from Moscow came to the plant to deal with the causes of the marriage.

          According to one version, the marriage was allowed due to a violation of technology. “According to the technological process, a certain number of parts must be sent to the furnace so that their calcination is uniform for everyone.


          And they were shoved 2-3 times more. As a result, some were closer or farther from the center - some were overkill, and some were underkilled, ”a source familiar with the situation said, adding that the move away from technology was done to save
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 10 2020 15: 37 New
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            Quote: Liam
            And they were shoved 2-3 times more. As a result, some were closer or farther from the center - some were overkill, and some were underkilled, ”a source familiar with the situation said, adding that the move away from technology was done to save

            in this case, an additional question arises as to the organization of quality control and acceptance at the manufacturer of bolts, as well as the availability and functioning of incoming control at the Khrunichev Center
            1. Liam
              Liam April 10 2020 16: 09 New
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              In synthesis, systemic problems
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow April 10 2020 21: 51 New
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      For this, there is an input control of quality control and airspace at the production site. Especially for high-tech products.
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow April 10 2020 21: 49 New
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    Absolutely.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt April 10 2020 10: 58 New
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    Quote: Genry
    Over-bolts - is this a clear marriage?
    It would be interesting to see how you would distinguish them from normal

    Very simple, at least in color (shades of discoloration, before it is chrome plated). In addition, there is etching control, hardness testing, etc. .. Do you really think that in the aerospace industry, you still haven’t figured out such a thing as to distinguish overheated parts, because this is a clear defect. Any bolt (especially in aviation and especially in space technology), in the manufacturing process, undergoes a number of technological processes with mandatory quality control at each stage. What and how they have just found it in Protons, we don’t know, but they can write anything. Like in the article
    It became known about the identification of another marriage
    From where is it known, from whom is it known, what is it known about? No specifics, a finger to the sky. My personal opinion is that the whole story with the “marriage” is just a political game. Both politics and prestige are at stake here, and it’s a sin to hide, a lot of money.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 10 2020 11: 11 New
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      Quote: orionvitt
      Very simple, at least in color (shades of discoloration, before it is chrome plated).

      Do you want to know the temperature of incandescence by cessation?

      Do not compose further ...
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt April 10 2020 11: 34 New
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        He worked for many years in the field of production of aircraft engines, and he came across a termichka. True, he is not a great specialist in this (specialization is different), but I know one thing, any competent thermist and controller, knowing the material and the process technology, will determine the overheated part, even by eye. Not to mention the mandatory quality control, using a variety of instruments and means (physical, chemical, optical).
        1. Genry
          Genry April 10 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: orionvitt
          any competent thermist and controller, knowing the material and the process technology, will determine the red-hot part, even by eye.

          Cops, by rights, can also say how much can be squeezed out of a sucker ...
          In production, as in a hospital, all "patients" and their "diseases" are known.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 10 2020 11: 07 New
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    Quote: Genry
    Over-bolts - is this a clear marriage?
    It would be interesting to see how you would distinguish them from normal ones.

    I didn’t have to meet machines that check metal for breaking and bolts also check in this way
    1. Genry
      Genry April 10 2020 11: 34 New
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      Quote: APASUS
      I didn’t have to meet machines that check metal for breaking and bolts also check in this way

      Yes, you can check. Only after that they are either stretched or torn. Those. You can only make a selection from the party. But how many marriages in this party you will not say for sure.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 03 New
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        Quote: Genry
        But how many marriages in this party you will not say for sure.

        But why.
        I will tell you such an example.
        In the 70s in Klaipeda on one ship the side began to rust. The ship was built recently.
        Samples of metal were taken from the side, 98% of the samples showed that not only was the steel of the wrong brand, but also marriage
        A large commission arrived at NLMZ, so then NLMK was called and found out the following.
        But a little digression
        When the metal is sent to the customer, a small rectangle, the so-called “sample”, is cut out in each roll, and now it comes with a roll. The customer receives the metal and on this "test" checks the quality and grade of steel
        The party for Klaipeda did the following. A lot of marriage has accumulated in the warehouse. Nowhere to go. Came up with this
        One roll of the very steel that the customer needed was completely cut into “samples” and with these “samples” the marriage went to Klaipeda.
        I don’t know how it ended, they took me to the SA. And then I just forgot about this story
        1. Genry
          Genry April 10 2020 12: 10 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          One roll of the very steel that the customer needed was completely cut into “samples” and with these “samples” the marriage went to Klaipeda.

          Well, what about space bolts? Visually, they are all the same, but the characteristics are different.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 26 New
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            Quote: Genry
            Well, what about space bolts?

            Yeah...
            But what's the difference bolts or steel? I gave an example of how to make a substitution
            Visually, they are all the same, but the characteristics are different.

            I wrote about this.
            That steel, that the bolt look the same, but the characteristics are different
            And he told on an example of how this can be done
            1. Genry
              Genry April 10 2020 12: 53 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              I gave an example of how to make a substitution

              And I wanted to say that whether there is a substitution or marriage, you will not understand this at the assembly. hi
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 56 New
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                Quote: Genry
                And I wanted to say that whether there is a substitution or marriage, you will not understand this at the assembly.

                Therefore, the side of the ship and rusted
          2. orionvitt
            orionvitt April 10 2020 15: 55 New
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            Quote: Genry
            Well, what about space bolts? Visually all the same, but the characteristics are different

            In space technology, for each bolt, a passport is instituted. Where the entire process chain is marked, with signatures of performers and reviewers. And also checking checking. This is not a tyaplyapmontazh cooperative.
            1. Genry
              Genry April 10 2020 16: 18 New
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              Quote: orionvitt
              Where the entire process chain is marked, with signatures of performers and reviewers. And also checking checking.

              Have you seen this or are you "so kaatsa"?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0pOdm4SftE
              Quote: orionvitt
              This is not a tyaplyapmontazh cooperative.

              After the "perestroika", many enterprises went to private owners, and there they generally engaged in repainting consumer goods into aerospace.
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt April 10 2020 18: 00 New
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                Quote: Genry
                Have you seen this or are you "so kaatsa"?

                This is for you, without leaving the Internet, can "kaatsa". And I, unlike you, have seen. I partially agree, the general level of production culture has fallen, but not to such an extent.
      2. APASUS
        APASUS April 10 2020 16: 10 New
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        Quote: Genry
        Yes, you can check. Only after that they are either stretched or torn. Those. You can only make a selection from the party. But how many marriages in this party you will not say for sure.

        There is a form for each aircraft bolt, where, when, by whom and when it is issued. There are signatures of inspectors and those responsible for the production technology.
        And this is space.
        As a rule, from a batch of bolts (and the batches there are scanty, this is almost a piece of work) they arbitrarily take a couple of samples and experience the slightest doubt and the entire batch is rejected.
        1. Genry
          Genry April 10 2020 17: 28 New
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          Quote: APASUS
          There is a form for each aircraft bolt where, when, by whom and when it is released.

          Well, here you have a "little" colloquial genre that fishermen use.

          The rest I agree with you.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 10 2020 18: 17 New
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            Quote: Genry
            Well, here you have a "little" colloquial genre that fishermen use.

            In order not to write nonsense, just read the regulatory framework, so for a general understanding
            https://cals.ru/sites/default/files/downloads/27692-2012.pdf
  • NKT
    NKT April 10 2020 08: 26 New
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    OTK at the factory where then looks or looked?
    1. grandfather_Kostya
      grandfather_Kostya April 10 2020 09: 20 New
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      Missiles will be sent to the center to them. Khrunicheva, and the culprit is likely to have to unwind a long contract.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 44 New
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        Quote: grandfather_Kostya
        will have to unwind a long one.

        Not at all
        However, the media mentions problems with the strength of individual parts that turned out to be overheated during production at the enterprise.

        What detail is known, at which enterprise are hardened
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt April 10 2020 11: 02 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          What detail is known, at which enterprise are hardened

          This is precisely what we do not know. There is only confidence that in such an area, for each nut, hundreds of pieces of paper with five hundred signatures are stored. That's who they need, they probably know, but they won’t tell us. And we can only on the forum in the comments "break spears." laughing
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 11: 27 New
            -2
            Quote: orionvitt
            This is exactly what we do not know

            How do we not know? There is a detail. It is always known at which enterprise it is made.
            That's who they need, they probably know, but they won’t tell us.

            Why do you need this? belay
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt April 10 2020 11: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              How do we not know? There is a detail

              Which part?
              It is always known at which enterprise it is made.
              Who knows and at what enterprise? Can you tell me? The fact of the matter is that we do not know anything except the presence of a "spherical horse in a vacuum," that is, the existence of a kind of abstract marriage, with supposedly overheated details. No specifics.
              Why do you need this?
              Let me just be curious, so to speak philistine interest. And you? However, the passion in the discussion is not childish. lol Already more than 80 comments scribbled. And this is just the beginning.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 34 New
                -3
                Quote: orionvitt
                Which part?

                Off the rocket
                Known to those who build rockets
                Can you tell me?

                Well, firstly, I have nothing to do with the rocket, and secondly, I absolutely do not need it
                The fact of the matter is that we know nothing but the presence of a "spherical horse in a vacuum",

                You name, name it, something will say ???
                Are you a rocket player ??
                No specifics.

                What specifics do you need ???
                The article is not about the details specifically, the article that revealed the marriage in detail !!!
                Soft with round do not confuse !!!
                I'm just curious, so to speak philistine interest

                So look for an article where they tell which particular item is defective
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 10 2020 11: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          What detail is known, at which enterprise are hardened

          and who made the blank, the part itself, and from whom the material was purchased, is it also known? The glomerulus may actually be long
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 12: 43 New
            -4
            Quote: Gregory_45
            and who made the blank, the part itself, and from whom the material was purchased, is it also known? The glomerulus may actually be long

            And also find out where the ore was taken, who smelted it ..
            And in general, you need to find out who generally held it in her hands ...
            And what is said bluntly
            That turned over in production at the enterprise.

            You can not take into account
            And all you need to do is look in the “escort” to the part where it was tempered, which shift and find out who worked in that shift.
            Long glomerulus?
  • saigon
    saigon April 10 2020 09: 18 New
    -1
    At the heart of marriage is irresponsibility!
    Metals for Tu, components for Tu and acquaintance.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey April 11 2020 04: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    Bodies need to figure out whether it’s from curiosity or with malicious intent!

    It all started with the “organs” - they “dealt” with the first ones so that they did not interfere with disassembling and sawing.
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona April 10 2020 08: 14 New
    0
    Yes, they’ve just created a new one and now it is bearing fruit by identifying the marriage before launches
    1. APASUS
      APASUS April 10 2020 08: 16 New
      +8
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Yes, they’ve just created a new one and now it is bearing fruit by identifying the marriage before launches

      With a normally working system, such parts cannot be assembled in principle
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 10 2020 08: 19 New
        +1
        So first they collected these missiles, and then introduced a new control system.
        Thanks to this system, the marriage was detected in rockets that were produced 4-5 years ago.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 48 New
          0
          Quote: BlackMokona
          , and then introduced a NEW control system.

          But that means when these missiles were collected this system still
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 10 2020 13: 35 New
            0
            Naturally, finally attended and that’s good. I really thought there are not trained at all
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 10 2020 09: 12 New
        -3
        I will not be surprised if the details were made by a "private shop" and the perpetrators will not be punished.
        For behind such productions there are “serious” uncles not only from Roscosmos.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin April 10 2020 09: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: knn54
          I won’t be surprised if the details were made by a "private shop"

          Do not be surprised. Nothing.
          "Roskosmos" and the Center. Khrunicheva is not such an organization to communicate with "private shops"
          They have everything they need for production and assembly
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 10 2020 11: 40 New
            -1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Do not be surprised. Nothing.
            "Roskosmos" and the Center. Khrunicheva is not such an organization to communicate with "private shops"
            They have everything they need for production and assembly

            alas, everything is possible in the wake of import substitution. For example, the sensor was manufactured in Ukraine, there is no domestic analogue. And then uncles from a certain LLC come and say - and we have, and even pieces of paper with the admission of installing the sensor on special equipment show (where they got them from is another question). Where to go to the rocket manufacturer, plans for the launch have not been canceled.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 10 2020 08: 45 New
    +6
    The military representative could only ascertain the existence of a marriage, and he creates a marriage in production. The system of general and vocational education, both secondary and higher, was destroyed, and so they began to produce “defective” specialists.
  • Bar1
    Bar1 April 10 2020 09: 07 New
    -5
    before, protons had no defects, but now defects have appeared, this suggests one thing that Putin's capitalism is the degradation of society.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 10 2020 11: 03 New
      -1
      In "Putin's capitalism" in the space industry, they have developed and implemented a quality control system.
      And she works.
      In "Brezhnev socialism" this was not. Missiles were falling be healthy. There are open statistics.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 April 10 2020 11: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        In "Brezhnev socialism" this was not. Missiles were falling be healthy. There are open statistics.


        Well show?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 12: 41 New
          -5
          Over the 70 years, the USSR has 43 unsuccessful launches. This is just the reign of Brezhnev.
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 April 10 2020 12: 54 New
            0
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Over the 70 years, the USSR has 43 unsuccessful launches. This is just the reign of Brezhnev.


            come up with yourself?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 13: 00 New
              -4
              No, information from open sources. Open Wikipedia, think. Then double-check the number by opening another source. Under the USSR, these figures were not communicated to the people, they were kept secret, therefore it seemed that there were no unsuccessful launches.
      2. kjhg
        kjhg April 10 2020 12: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        In "Putin's capitalism" in the space industry, they have developed and implemented a quality control system.

        Before introducing, they first destroyed the system of military representatives. And then, when every second or third rocket began to fall, they grabbed their heads and, with a smart look of silly heads, began to restore it.
        Quote: Mestny
        In "Brezhnev socialism" this was not.

        Storyteller?
        Quote: Mestny
        Missiles were falling be healthy. There are open statistics.

        You really don’t understand, or pretend to be stupid? Under "Brezhnev socialism" NEW MISSILES were developed, produced and brought to bear. This is a heavy Proton, and a medium Union, and a super-heavy N-1 rocket. But under Putin with his gang, they manage to drop even these ultra-reliable missiles with alarming frequency. Do you feel the difference? What space rocket was developed under your Putin? Soviet rocket Angara? Even its completion could not be brought to mind. They made two starts and abandoned the case. But how much at the same time this empty talk was promoted am. Ugh on him!
        1. Bar1
          Bar1 April 10 2020 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: kjhg
          You really don’t understand, or pretend to be stupid?

          how they boasted, such a T14 tank with the Latin name Armata, nobody has it, you give parades, but it turned out that the engine wasn’t done. They made the su57, but it fell, it made a petrel, but it exploded, made a blink, but they don’t let in series, did barguzin-boasted, but stopped him.
          Fuu, what can they do in this country?
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 10 2020 11: 06 New
      -1
      C'mon! Did not have? Accidents happened to him even when the GDP ran under the table on foot. Under EBN, liberalism marked the beginning of this degradation. Oh how.
    3. orionvitt
      orionvitt April 10 2020 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Bar1
      this Putin capitalism is a degradation of society

      But in the 90s, presumably, was Yeltsin's dawn and prosperity? All that is negative in Russia now is a direct burp of the 90s. Starting from figures in politics, culture, economics, education, and more. However, how do you know, you probably in those "blessed times" were probably still a child.
      1. Bar1
        Bar1 April 10 2020 11: 17 New
        0
        Quote: orionvitt
        atom in the 90s, presumably there was a Yeltsin dawn and prosperity

        you and people like you when you stop referring to ebony? In a hundred years? Well, what can you say? Nothing was created under Putin, everything that works is everything built under the USSR
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt April 10 2020 11: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Bar1
          Nothing was created under Putin, everything that works is everything built under the USSR

          You probably live in another world? Speak as if the period of the 90s was soft and invisible. Yes, most of what works in Russia was created under the Soviet Union (I’ll tell you a secret, some were built under the tsar lol ), but wake up, much later had to be restored, literally from the ruins. Much had to be rebuilt. Maybe not everything that I would like to be done, and not at such a pace, but done. News at least look. Oh yes, of course, what news? This is all Putin’s propaganda. You are blind, live in a fictional little world and I feel sorry for you. Platoshkin heard enough? laughing
          1. Bar1
            Bar1 April 10 2020 12: 02 New
            0
            Quote: orionvitt
            You probably live in another world? Speak as if the period of the 90s passed softly and imperceptibly

            Stalin built 10 thousand plants in two five-year periods, and Putin? Destroyed -10 thousand. factories.
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt April 10 2020 12: 18 New
              0
              Quote: Bar1
              Stalin built 10 thousand plants in two five-year periods, and Putin? Destroyed -10 thousand. factories.

              What are you talking about nonsense. He built it, but at what cost, and even then the times were completely different when they worked literally for food. This is not today's well-fed Russia. If Putin began to build factories now on the Stalinist principle, you would be the first to shout heartily that this is a "bloody anti-people regime." However, you shout it now. And most likely, during the time of Joseph Vissarionovich, such "thinkers" as you would have already mastered Kolyma, and maybe even worse. The only difference is that in those years, the dissidents claimed that the best was with the king. Now they say that the best was Stalin, then under Brezhnev. There are even those who say that under Yeltsin. In general, it was good anytime, anywhere, with anyone, but not now, especially under Putin.
              1. Bar1
                Bar1 April 10 2020 12: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: orionvitt
                If Putin began to build factories now on the Stalinist principle, in

                if yes kaby. Putin didn’t have to build anything, because everything had already been built.
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx April 10 2020 20: 37 New
    0
    Was there a 100% presentation of VP in the USSR?
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 10 2020 08: 03 New
    0
    Forcing at his own expense to fix all the jambs.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 10 2020 09: 09 New
      -1
      Whom? Khrunicheva? So he is bankrupt.

      In November last year, Rogozin said that financial hole in the Khrunichev State Research and Production Center is 111 billion rubles. This amount includes debts to Roskosmos, penalties and fines for overdue contracts and loans. Debt is growing, since Roskosmos actually pays the salary to the employees of the center. According to Rogozin, debts to banks Khrunichev Center will begin to pay in 2023, penalties for expired contracts - in ten years.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 10 2020 10: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Whom? Khrunicheva? So he is bankrupt.

        And then why send rockets there?
        three rockets will be returned from the Baikonur Cosmodrome to the Khrunichev State Center mentioned above.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 10 2020 10: 40 New
          0
          Well, who will repair them, if not the developer?

          But at his own expense it will not work. For Khrunichev has no money and there will not be another 4 years according to Rogozin’s optimistic plans.
  • georggy
    georggy April 10 2020 08: 06 New
    0
    All questions to locksmith Rogozin.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 10 2020 11: 04 New
      -3
      A quality control system was introduced with him, and as it turns out, it works great.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 April 10 2020 08: 31 New
    -6
    All the same, they will use a trampoline. Dunno will tell you in detail how to jump.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 April 10 2020 08: 44 New
      +9
      Three-line sarcasm is not appropriate here. Here, Beria-style org. Conclusions have long been needed. Count how much money flew into the pipe and how much more will fly out afterwards. , and for the disruption of the international program we will also pay (about the prestige and authority of the COUNTRY !!! you can not remember).
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 April 10 2020 09: 20 New
        0
        Org conclusions in the style of Beria are needed not only in space, but in general in the economy and social sphere. But practice shows that friends are hung stars for their achievements, and not give on the neck. Therefore, only sarcasm remains.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 April 10 2020 09: 44 New
          +4
          I haven’t justified anyone lately, not the rulers, not the population. We don’t go (yes, it will not change anyway) to the polls, but if we go, we build. We aren’t spoiled by the porches and courtyards, and the Turks are not letting out the marriage with the Albanians. At the second job (Sabbath) I work “by hands.” The kick team for “pornography” gets tired. The phrase “Finishes how to pay and I work” is the best. I said goodbye to two, don’t like it, look for where more, but don’t take a place where another will work.
          1. 7,62h54
            7,62h54 April 10 2020 10: 30 New
            -2
            Well, of course, the hard worker is always to blame. Now it has become fashionable to hang all the errors on the coronavirus. But usually a clumsy built system leads to such a sad result. A huge number of subcontractors, contractors between the direct contractor and the customer and the lack of control points at the stages of production and procurement. And corny lack of normal training. For example, a welder qualification can be obtained remotely.
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 April 10 2020 11: 19 New
              -1
              You either didn’t understand me or don’t want to understand me. I say that now many often work through their sleeves (to put it mildly). There is a separate conversation about officials (demand should be cruel). But the people themselves began to grab more, work less (as in a chicken coop ). Well, just do not say that we are so accustomed and spoiled.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 12: 49 New
                -4
                We were all brought up under the slogan: "Bring every nail from work, you are the owner, not the guest"
                But the nails of everyone are different: the worker has his own and the official has his own.
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 April 10 2020 19: 09 New
                  0
                  Maybe!? But you haven’t been taught by your company KNEELING? I have throttled the former director. They replaced me, I died in a year, I wrote in a personal email, I’ll tell you the phone.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 19: 13 New
                    -4
                    On the contrary, we had one - like an honest, old-school. I almost brought our carrier to a zugunder. Then another, nimble, thievish came, but set up work, raised salaries, in short began to fly and make good. Here I sit and think: who is better than a competent thief, or a crystal-clear co-worker.
                    1. zadorin1974
                      zadorin1974 April 10 2020 20: 57 New
                      0
                      Andrei Kind !!!!! I don’t know !!!! To each his own ,,,,,,,, You fly, we BEGIN to sell. The old school, the new. To me, to the fanar, just not Maskvabad. These are just greedy, even do not see the edges
              2. 7,62h54
                7,62h54 April 10 2020 14: 28 New
                -1
                That you just do not know how to convey your thoughts. Yes, and jump from topic to topic, setting aside officials aside, and blaming the hard workers for everything. That's why it's a mess. You want it to be beautiful, but you don’t understand how to do it.
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 April 10 2020 19: 17 New
                  0
                  Maybe. But I try at home. And here it’s just, for me, there used to be a lot of clever thoughts! It seems that every point was expressed in VO.
  • prior
    prior April 10 2020 08: 52 New
    -1
    Unfortunately, not only and not so much the control system in production must be changed as the power system.
    From there, from the authorities, all our misfortunes ....
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert April 10 2020 08: 58 New
    -5
    Quote: Captive
    The military representative could only ascertain the existence of a marriage, and he creates a marriage in production. The system of general and vocational education, both secondary and higher, was destroyed, and so they began to produce “defective” specialists.

    Your generation did not want to live under the USSR. Your fathers and mothers left you a great country, and you surrendered it. And now about the victims of the exam and defective experts tell
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 April 10 2020 09: 14 New
      +2
      This is the most worthy position Red !!!!! Are you a foreigner? So everything is in the opera, and you are Dartanyan? Isn’t it cool? And in general, is it enough to hide behind obscure nicknames, or the name given to you by PARENTS !!! are shy?
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 10 2020 09: 43 New
      -1
      A generation that did not want to live under the USSR are people who were 90 years old or over in the early 40s. It was this generation that made all the crucial decisions. Who are you talking about now?
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 10: 39 New
      -4
      Our generation is tired of living under the USSR. And there were enough scammers even under the Union.
      1. Red Alert
        Red Alert April 10 2020 11: 08 New
        0
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Our generation is tired of living under the USSR. And there were enough scammers even under the Union.

        And how did the Union tire you so?
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 12: 34 New
          -4
          Long list. Points 10-15.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 10 2020 09: 12 New
    +1
    In connection with the "recall" of rockets from Baikonur, questions arise regarding the timely implementation of the space programs for which they were carried out, including ExoMars-2020.

    In connection with the material of the article, a number of questions arise, the main part of which has the following content:
    “Well, if she gave us such presents, then what are her ... in the palace riches unheard of!”
    - Unheard of and unprecedented!
    “And all to her, even though I am an older sister!”
    - And I'm average!

    “If a deliberate marriage is suddenly discovered (or on a hunch) in such a sensitive topic, then what can we say about products that fly lower or don't fly at all? " belay
    Here it is ACCOMMODATION in all its glory ... fellow Here it is EFFICIENCY OF MANAGERS and PROFESSIONALISM OF LOCKSMARES FROM JOURNALISM ... fellow
    We will soon learn all the “charms” of managing the economy with publicans, security guards, and other various “HSE” specialists.
    As for the military representatives, Mr. Zyablintsev (by the way, what do you know about the work of military representatives ??? belay), so there each of them put a stamp on the checked products (on the form) so that after the military prosecutor’s office, special department and KGB officers could determine the position, surname, name and patronymic of the accident. And, take my word for the former officer, whose friend and acquaintances worked directly in this area during the Soviet era (until 1991).
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub April 10 2020 09: 17 New
    +1
    It's time to apparently rename it. Khrunichev in them. Khalturina
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 April 10 2020 10: 35 New
      0
      Khalturin is a 19th-century revolutionary who launched a terrorist attack in the Winter Palace.
      Do you think it would be appropriate to rename?
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 10 2020 12: 52 New
      -4
      Khalturin is a terrorist. Then it’s better to give the corporation the name of Basayev or Osama himself.
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert April 10 2020 09: 18 New
    -2
    Quote: zadorin1974
    This is the most worthy position Red !!!!! Are you a foreigner? So everything is in the opera, and you are Dartanyan? Isn't it cool?

    Can you refute my words using arguments? Or will you talk about the Dartanyans and foreigners?
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 April 10 2020 09: 51 New
      0
      Initially, please write how old you are and in what state you live (see my name and year of birth above). And then it will be clear where you yourself were during the disaster.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 10 2020 09: 38 New
    +1
    problems with the strength of individual parts that turned out to be overheated during production at the enterprise.
    Wonderful. There is an approved and quite successful manufacturing process for processing such parts. The furnaces in which they are produced have the corresponding automation, which monitors this technical process, since this automation is simple as a rake. So, under minimally tolerable conditions, it neither fails when quenching, nor failure to relieve internal stresses, nor other similar things are simply impossible. What happened?
    There are exactly two options. The first. Furnace maintenance has been discontinued, automation has failed, and there is no one to repair it, so that the parts simply went through the process by eye. But effective managers are available! Rogozin, of course, receives a salary much higher than the director of NASA, so he received a salary for those engineers who were supposed to work with furnaces. No wonder.
    And the second option is much more likely. How to saw in Roskosmos? Very simple. You get money for the development and production of various systems. Instead of them, you pour metal scrap into the rocket, and you appropriate money. What is left? "Lose" a rocket at launch! After the fall, no one will ever figure out what they pushed into it, especially since the expert in this matter is you yourself. And what do you think, our share in the space launch market is falling? Everyone is in the know, no one wants to lose their precious equipment to cover up our robbery.
    So these missiles were needed. Carefully prepared. And then ... ah yay yay! How messy it turned out ...
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert April 10 2020 09: 45 New
    -2
    Quote: Mikhail3
    A generation that did not want to live under the USSR are people who were 90 years old or over in the early 40s. It was this generation that made all the crucial decisions. Who are you talking about now?

    It is about them
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 10 2020 15: 36 New
      0
      Well, you’ve already gotten the minuses) That's it. It is the generation that sold and betrayed the USSR, and blames the younger for this, who did not decide anything then! With what amazement my father once stumbled upon this undeniable fact! Somehow he did not think in what place at that moment he was, and in which I was. Laughter through tears...
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 April 10 2020 09: 53 New
    0
    Here it is necessary to create a system for detecting "defective" managers, and not a system for creating "Effective Managers" - then everything will be in order with the economy and with flights in space. hi
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 10 2020 13: 15 New
      0
      Bees versus honey? Unreal. Where does a normal manager take money to roll back to the guys who shoved him into place? In Moscow, there are no senior managerial positions that were not purchased for money or for a share. That is, nobody, absolutely nobody, never, anywhere is interested in whether you know how to do the work itself. It only hurts. Can you steal and share? That is the question of the present!
      Everyone is thrilled. You are getting richer, resource rent is turning into a state of "respected" people, what else is needed? True, it does not fly, does not swim, is not produced ... So what? You can always buy in the West. And socks and a plant, it doesn't matter. True, all profits except the Judaic share, and all technologies remain in the West, well, or in China. So what? The funds are stolen! Why feel sorry for them?
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    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 April 10 2020 11: 29 New
      0
      Well then, I am satisfied to call you Red a yap, who just throws it at the fan for seed, and then still requires arguments. And I'm not naive, I'm under the "sanctions" of the moderators. I have the honor!
  • Mestny
    Mestny April 10 2020 11: 07 New
    +1
    Oh, in the title of the article is a key combination of the words "defects", and "Proton".
    Now the trolls hysteria will begin.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT April 10 2020 11: 08 New
    0
    Everything is destroyed and stolen back in the "saints" 90s
    Industry workers themselves are not motivated. Production chains are broken, equipment is worn out. It cannot be ruled out that these overheated parts were either manufactured in terrible conditions on ancient worn-out equipment or ordered from a contractor who had not heard of the requirements for space products. Actually, they got a logical result.

    And yet, everyone has become traders, managers, directors, technologists, engineers, highly toxic workers at least. They don’t want to study, they also work to restore the industry because it is difficult and difficult, and they don’t pay money with dignity and do not respect it. It is much easier to trade and manage there and you don’t need to know much, and decent money pays.

    That's all! The reasons for failures in space are simple and simple.
  • slipped
    slipped April 10 2020 13: 26 New
    +2
    The article contains errors:

    1. Two-year transfers are associated with launch windows to Mars.
    2. The postponement of the start of the second part of the Exomars project (from 2018 to 2020) in the recent past is associated with a delay in the search for project financing from ESA.
    3. The transfer of the launch of the AMS from the current year 2020 to the year 2022 is due to the unavailability of the European parachute system and software for a computer also created in Europe.
    4. Some of the staff serving ESA's space programs were transferred to temporary quarantine in connection with COVID-19, and the AMS in space and near Mars were put into sleep mode. Only recently has communication with them resumed.

    The Russian landing module "Cossack" successfully passed the tests of its propulsion system, all scientific instruments were delivered to it, and thermal vacuum tests were successfully passed.

    The recall of three Proton-M missiles to the plant to eliminate detected defects will only affect the launch of two Express geostationary satellites - the launch was postponed to the end of July this year. The rest of the launches are the years 2021 and 2022.

    Today’s recall of the missiles to the Ecosmars-2022 program has nothing to do with it. The rocket for him will be ready long before launch.
  • Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi April 10 2020 14: 36 New
    0
    ExoMars 2020 left for the year 2022 for reasons not related to the rocket.
    https://astronomy.ru/forum/index.php/topic,65766.1040.html
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert April 10 2020 15: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    Well, you’ve already gotten the minuses) That's it. It is the generation that sold and betrayed the USSR, and blames the younger for this, who did not decide anything then! With what amazement my father once stumbled upon this undeniable fact! Somehow he did not think in what place at that moment he was, and in which I was. Laughter through tears...

    I am 32 and in 1991 I go to kindergarten. Now I read the works of Lenin and Stalin