The network has a video test of the Ukrainian RCC "Neptune"

The network has a video test of the Ukrainian RCC "Neptune"

A video of testing the Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missile appeared on the Web. The video is hosted on the Defense Express Channel on YouTube.


The video shows how a missile is launched from a ground launcher, a missile flies over the sea and a floating target (a lighter with a target net). According to the developers, during the test, a missile with an inert warhead successfully hit a floating target at a distance of 75 km.

As previously reported, the firing took place at the state test site of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "Alibey" in the Odessa region.


According to the data provided by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, on April 2, 2020, the R-360 anti-ship missile of the Ukrainian anti-ship missile complex RK-360MTs "Neptune" with an active homing radar mounted on the missile was first tested. Prior to this, all tests were carried out without a homing head.

It is noted that the complex for the first time independently discovered and hit a target at a distance of 75 kilometers.

As stated in Kiev, an active radar homing missile R-360 creates the Kiev company Radionics LLC, the development of the complex is carried out by the Kiev design bureau Luch.

Nothing is reported on plans for arming the RCC Neptune; there is information that funding for this development was not allocated for 2020.
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  1. Equalized April 9 2020 13: 01 New
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    Homing head from "Radionics"


    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 14: 37 New
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      But what about intellectual property rights, as Antonov’s design bureau says they like about our An-124s? Or is the X-35 common Soviet times? Well then the An-124 common Soviet times. Just change, change the engines and call the original development Il-124 . And hello. How's the idea?
      “Ray” at that time made good money on the development of anti-tank guided missiles. But extra money, as you know, does not happen. Therefore, Korostylev, within the framework of the Neptune Design Bureau, promptly made a project to create a Ukrainian anti-ship missile based on the design of the Soviet X-35 anti-ship missile.

      Why on the basis of the "thirty fifth"? Because, from scratch, “Luch” could not do anti-ship missiles - the Ukrainians, who had never issued anti-ship missiles, a priori lacked their own competencies. In addition, a set of production and design documentation for the X-35 was found in the Ukrainian bins very timely, which was transferred to the Kharkov Aviation Plant in the years of the USSR. Finally, the X-35 itself was not the last fashion by the standards of 2014, but in terms of its combined performance characteristics it still looked very good.

      Recall that the X-35 tests started in 1983. The subsonic low-altitude “thirty-fifth” development of the Zvezda Design Bureau was intended for the destruction of ships with a displacement of up to 5000 tons. The latest modifications of the "thirty-fifth" got a range of up to 260 km. As part of the Uranus missile systems, the Kh-35 anti-ship missiles could be used by shipborne carriers. The Bal coastal missile systems used a land-based modification of the rocket. It was also envisaged the possibility of using the X-35 aircraft and helicopters. In general, to make on the basis of the Soviet backlog the same Ukrainian anti-ship "universal" was extremely tempting ...

      https://riafan.ru/1168501-ukrainskaya-raketa-neptun-do-sevastopolya-ne-doletit
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        1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 15: 05 New
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          Quote: Southern
          what is the problem of increasing the range of the rocket, for a long time the Russian Federation will console itself with similar headlines, kindergarten!

          In the sense of comforting yourself? Explain. About the range I did not say anything.
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            1. Fmax April 9 2020 16: 06 New
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              The article is not so much about range, but generally about rocket problems. And how can a test sample reach Sevastopol?
    2. Katanikotael April 9 2020 14: 50 New
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      wow, how masterly they all past problems with accuracy under the carpet swept - there was no guidance head!
      1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 15: 08 New
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        Quote: Katanikotael
        wow, how masterly they all past problems with accuracy under the carpet swept - there was no guidance head!

        So these are also those cunning seafarers.
  2. Bshkaus April 9 2020 13: 05 New
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    So, now I have a serious question for those who are associated with the navy.
    What say
    On the one hand, the rocket formally passed over the barge and did not hit its base.
    On the other hand, this grid seems to be a marker-dimension of the ship’s add-ons; accordingly, it could also be dismantled, and statistics need to be collected in dozens of launches.
    Again, nobody assigns one missile to a target; accordingly, two pieces would have already disabled the ship with a high degree of probability. In my opinion, this is success.
    PS Emotional patriots who do not have the proper education and qualifications with comments like “Ukraine knows nothing, again everything is past”, please do not bother to comment, your opinion does not interest me in this case, but you can be satisfied by putting me minus.
    1. Equalized April 9 2020 13: 06 New
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      It was not planned to get into the barge. Specially shoot at the grid (reflector) so as not to sink the barge. Cost savings. Each time during testing a new barge is not a good idea, especially for a poor country like Ukraine. Your cap. wink
      1. Bshkaus April 9 2020 13: 11 New
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        It was not planned to get into the barge

        Thank you, I intuitively understood, especially looking at the “things” hanging on the grid between which the rocket hit, but I'm not naval, so I had to clarify to increase my own horizons.)))
      2. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 13: 38 New
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        Quote: Equalized
        It was not planned to get into the barge. Specially shoot at the grid (reflector) so as not to sink the barge. Cost savings. Each time during testing a new barge is not a good idea, especially for a poor country like Ukraine. Your cap. wink

        Of course, it wasn’t planned. As it’s not planned to take Neptune into service, as it’s all for blowing dust, you’ll see how terrible we are, but as tests we didn’t plan to hit the barge, on another test a jamb so that Neptune didn’t fly there They explained that it was planned, and most importantly, those who really know the state of affairs on this project are well aware that this is a fake, therefore they do not plan to buy, since there is nothing to buy.
        Nothing is reported on plans for arming the RCC "Neptune", there is information that funding for this development was not allocated for 2020.

        Even copy X-35U is not able.
        1. Holgerton April 9 2020 14: 12 New
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          But is it that the EPR of corner reflectors is obviously higher than the EPR of the barge / lighter / target ship?) Just because they imitate a superstructure.
          And these same reflectors are precisely the targets, and a barge or some other ship is needed to achieve the required stability, you can even have them on rubber boats.
          Look at the online video of the shooting of the same Harpoons, Exocet, LRASM, if you're lucky, you might find the Soviet somewhere, though it's mostly just a photo.
          You are such an expert from yourself, but you don’t know elementary things)
          1. svp67 April 9 2020 14: 25 New
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            Quote: Holgerton
            if you are lucky, then maybe you will find the Soviet somewhere, though mostly only a photo.

            1. Holgerton April 9 2020 16: 49 New
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              Thank you, something about the “Bastion” is completely forgotten.
        2. venik April 9 2020 14: 48 New
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          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Even copy X-35U is not able.

          =========
          So after all, they copied (for 15 years) .... But with serial production - it’s like a “pipe” (especially with massive) !.
          1. Reserve buildbat April 9 2020 15: 21 New
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            That's just the point that they did not copy. They made a worsened option. Just compare the characteristics of the X-35 and this "Whisperer". Especially dimensions and weight
          2. alexmach April 9 2020 16: 25 New
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            But with mass production - it looks like a “pipe” (especially with mass production) !.

            And how massive should it be for you to create problems for Russia in the Black Sea?
            1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 19: 58 New
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              Quote: alexmach
              And how massive

              Let's compare with the "Ball".
              In one connection 4 cars with 8 launchers, that is 32 missiles in a salvo. Plus TPM with a reserve of missiles for another salvo. Total 64 missiles.
              This is just one connection.
              1. alexmach April 9 2020 20: 07 New
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                Let's compare with the "Ball".

                So what? davate even with the "bastion" is comparable, there is generally a supersonic missile. So what? Well, Bali and the Bastion are cooler (Although of course the Ball is more likely an analogue, but it does not matter). So what?

                How does this reduce the threat from missiles in the arsenal of Ukraine?

                I have already cited an example of an incident in the Kerch Strait, here you also recall the incidents at the drilling sites when the TFR drove Ukrainian floating equipment from oil rigs. Can he do the same just as easily if there is at least a coastal complex within the radius of which he falls?

                But imagine a situation like that same naval battle in the war on 08.08.08/6/XNUMX, just imagine XNUMX obscure Georgian pelvis, but those same Priluki and Islands armed with these missiles. Can one RTO protect them from the convoy, and even just anti-aircraft missiles?

                Well, let's say the Ball is cooler, and then what?
                1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 20: 29 New
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                  Quote: alexmach
                  So what? davate even with the "bastion" is comparable, there is generally a supersonic missile.
                  You asked what can be considered mass production? I cited as an example the number of missiles of similar dimensions in one division of the Russian Armed Forces.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  I have already cited the example of an incident in the Kerch Strait

                  Well, we didn’t have cruisers there either, so 30-mm guns of Ukrainian boats could well sink the same border guards. However, this did not happen.
                  Quote: alexmach
                  How does this reduce the threat from missiles in the arsenal of Ukraine?

                  There are two questions to the threat from Ukraine:
                  1) Quality (hitting a target is one thing, but hitting a warship is a little different).
                  2) Quantity (1 missile is 1 missile and the maximum that it can hit this 1 target, but 100 missiles is a completely different matter).
                  Well, Ukraine has been a potential threat for a long time, and not only for the Black Sea Fleet.
              2. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 23: 44 New
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                Quote: Dart2027
                Let's compare with the "Ball".
                In one connection 4 cars with 8 launchers, that is 32 missiles in a salvo. Plus TPM

                so the Ukrainian DBK has a similar structure, however, smaller missiles - 24 ready to launch. The school is one, Soviet.
    2. rocket757 April 9 2020 13: 10 New
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      There are two reasonable options.
      1. The saving of the rocket (layout) will then be picked up and checked.
      2. Saving a target ... here it is clear.
      You can program anything and above the target, in height. And under the target ... wassat joke.
      Choose an option.
    3. shark April 9 2020 13: 19 New
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      Unfortunately, this is a success. And that's bad. After all, the main goal for Neptune is the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Yes they don’t hide it
      1. Bashkirkhan April 9 2020 13: 31 New
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        They can destroy the border patrol ship. "Firefly" some sort.
        1. Thrifty April 9 2020 13: 43 New
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          The problem is solved by creating an anti-missile defense corvette based on the same Karakurt!
      2. Piramidon April 9 2020 13: 35 New
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        Passenger planes shot down. Now passenger ships will be heated.
      3. rocket757 April 9 2020 13: 40 New
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        Fortunately, this is nothing ...
        Why don't they fly? Scary and dangerous!
        Why do not shoot and climb? Because the answer will not be long in coming and here no regrets / concerns from beyond the hill will not help them.
        1. Peter is not the first April 9 2020 20: 55 New
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          Fearfully? I agree. But it’s scary to hit us with those who remained adequate, and there are completely inadequate in power, so it is advisable that the “patients of the yellow house” did not have a baton in their hands, but no matter how much we want, they are developing batons. Bad or good, few or many, but they already have them and this must be taken into account.
          1. rocket757 April 9 2020 21: 06 New
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            Serious weapons are controlled, aimed by more than one face, of trained personnel. There are more chances, there will be a more reasonable or preoccupied link, unit.
            However, we don’t need to yawn either ... how warm, always be on the alert!
            1. Peter is not the first April 10 2020 14: 12 New
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              I'm not talking about calculating weapons, but about leadership.
              1. rocket757 April 10 2020 14: 38 New
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                This issue is not resolved in advance. Everyone knows that they have to answer, almost always ... Maybe they can afford to gang up the biggest, but this is not the option. A gangster cheater, for which no one will stand up, if sho.
                A sense of self-preservation still sometimes manifests itself, o / h / that is not iron. After all, they sent their pelvis to the “breakthrough”, but no one decided to pull the trigger.
      4. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 13: 40 New
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        Quote: shark
        Unfortunately, this is a success. And that's bad. After all, the main goal for Neptune is the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Yes they don’t hide it

        What is the success if you didn’t hit the barge?
        1. shark April 10 2020 08: 59 New
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          And the barge did not have to hit. So, in principle, the full-time target looks like. A taut grid imitates a ship’s superstructure. So they did it all.
      5. venik April 9 2020 14: 54 New
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        Quote: shark
        Unfortunately, this is a success. And that's bad. After all, the main goal for Neptune is the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia

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        Don’t worry so much! Well, they copied it, it works .... In order for them to pose a serious threat, a large-scale SERIAL production is necessary, and until then it comes to — oooh, how much “water will leak”! For this, there is still not enough money, or production capacity, or qualified production personnel ..... AND WHEN all this is found (and whether there will be at all) - request
    4. Lipchanin April 9 2020 13: 24 New
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      Quote: Bshkaus
      but you can be satisfied by putting me a minus.

      Dreamed laughing
    5. dvina71 April 9 2020 13: 25 New
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      Quote: Bshkaus
      In my opinion, this is success.

      This success has been almost 30 years since ..

      And work on this topic began in 1984 ...
      1. Holgerton April 9 2020 14: 17 New
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        Do not remind when it was adopted?
        And then I look at google and I wonder how for some reason not 30 years ago when the main lightweight anti-ship missiles were Mosquito and Termite.
        1. dvina71 April 9 2020 14: 23 New
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          Quote: Holgerton
          Do not remind when it was adopted?

          Let me tell you .. in 2003, the x-35 missile was adopted in Russia .. although it was fully tested back in 1995 .. ok 20 launches ..
          This missile has already been modernized and the destruction range has been increased to 260 km in the export version ..
          Mosquito light RCC? 4 tons .. and X-35..600kg ..
          1. Holgerton April 9 2020 16: 47 New
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            Well, excuse me, that 4 tons, Soviet industry gave what it was, but there were no alternatives.
    6. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 13: 26 New
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      Formally - the defeat of the ship. The missile passed clearly over the target, it was possible that it wasn’t planned to hit the hull (for the reusability of the target) Although the rocket was inert equipment, then, perhaps, it would have to fight for the survivability of the target (the missile could leave a hole, cause a fire, etc. .)
      Target ships are often a barge structure with nets, reflectors, etc. hung on it.



      although, of course, such pictures are more visual)

      1. Lipchanin April 9 2020 14: 01 New
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Target ships are often a barge structure with nets, reflectors, etc. hung on it.

        And in this case the same
        Look carefully, the grid is clearly visible
        1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          the mesh is clearly visible

          by itself. I watched the video carefully. Defeat the target.
      2. sabakina April 9 2020 19: 35 New
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        I never understood why to beat in a superstructure? For me, you need to beat at the level of the waterline. At the same time, fire and water are a terrible force.
    7. neri73-r April 9 2020 15: 05 New
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      Quote: Bshkaus
      Emotional patriots who do not have the proper education and qualifications with comments like “Ukraine knows nothing, everything is past,” please do not bother to comment, your opinion does not interest me in this case, but you can be satisfied by putting me minus.

      And no one is bothered, a serial Soviet missile with a homing head made on the basis of Soviet developments in Ukraine by the former Soviet KB Luch! Fso!
      1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 26 New
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        Quote: neri73-r
        with a homing head made on the basis of Soviet developments in Ukraine by the former Soviet design bureau Luch

        in Soviet times, KB Luch GOS did not develop. Active head ARGS-35 for X-35 was developed by NPO Leninets (Leningrad)
        1. neri73-r April 9 2020 15: 30 New
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          Quote: Gregory_45
          Quote: neri73-r
          with a homing head made on the basis of Soviet developments in Ukraine by the former Soviet design bureau Luch

          in Soviet times, KB Luch GOS did not develop. Active head ARGS-35 for X-35 was developed by NPO Leninets (Leningrad)

          The name KB - “BEAM” - is an abbreviation and stands for “Logically Managed Part”
          The KB has always had competencies in guided weapons!
          1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 33 New
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            Quote: neri73-r
            The KB has always had competencies in guided weapons!

            In Soviet times, the Design Bureau was engaged in the creation of automated monitoring and diagnostics systems for aircraft missiles and sea torpedoes. The weapon or its components KB did not design
            And even more so, it has nothing to do with the creation of ARGS-35
            1. neri73-r April 9 2020 15: 38 New
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              Quote: Gregory_45
              The weapon or its components KB did not design

              It (KB) worked with them. It is impossible to diagnose, for example, GOS without knowing how it works and works.
              1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 42 New
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                Quote: neri73-r
                Quote: Gregory_45
                The weapon or its components KB did not design

                It (KB) worked with them. It is impossible to diagnose, for example, GOS without knowing how it works and works.

                knowing how it works is one thing, doing it yourself is another. I also know how the ARGSN works and how it works, but I definitely can’t calculate and design it. Competencies are a combination of knowledge, experience and skills.
                1. neri73-r April 9 2020 15: 57 New
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                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  I also know how the ARGSN works and how it works, but I definitely can’t calculate and design it. Competencies are a combination of knowledge, experience and skills.

                  I will not argue with you, since I’m not an engineer. But, there are many examples of re-designing design bureaus that coped with the new task of old and young engineering personnel. The same Tula design bureau from aircraft guns to (when set the task) high-precision weapons.
                  1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 16: 06 New
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                    Quote: neri73-r
                    But, there are a lot of examples of re-designing design bureaus that coped with a new task by old and young engineering personnel

                    The head for Neptune was developed by NPO Radionics, created in 2006, and with very little experience in developing ARLGSN - only for the modernization of R-27 air-to-air missiles
                  2. Dart2027 April 9 2020 20: 00 New
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                    Quote: neri73-r
                    there are a lot of examples of re-designing design bureaus that coped with a new task by old and young engineering personnel

                    If they were helped by expert advice and access to relevant documentation. Without this, too, it is possible, but for a long time.
    8. Alexey from Perm April 9 2020 15: 07 New
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      I am a patriot of Russia, but the video shows successful missile tests, the target is hit. The ukrov got their weapons, and this is dangerous.
      1. dvina71 April 9 2020 15: 12 New
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        Quote: Alexey from Perm
        The ukrov got their weapons, and this is dangerous.

        It happened when we conducted all the tests, adopted them, put them in the army. They sent them defense lines, taught the operators how to use weapons ... Where did the Ukrainians advance?
        1. Alexey from Perm April 9 2020 15: 29 New
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          I agree in that part that it’s a big job to put into service, and the longer they do it the better. But as such a rocket appeared, this is a fact. We also got Armata, but has not yet come into service and is unlikely to appear ...
          1. dvina71 April 9 2020 15: 33 New
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            Quote: Alexey from Perm
            We also got Armata, but has not yet come into service and is unlikely to appear ...

            You definitely will not appear. And in our country, the Moscow Region has already concluded a contract with UVZ for 150 ++ cars on the Armat platform .. almost a year ago.
            Quote: Alexey from Perm
            But as such a rocket appeared, this is a fact.

            Such a rocket appeared in 1995 .. and only now they were able to reproduce something .., with what characteristics .. taking into account the general degradation of science and industry in Nenko .. I would not be seduced
            1. Alexey from Perm April 9 2020 15: 38 New
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              Quote: dvina71
              I would not flatter myself
              Reply

              I wouldn’t flatter myself about Almaty
            2. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 18: 58 New
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              Quote: dvina71
              Such a rocket appeared in 1995.

              They could get acquainted with the X-35 missile in Ukraine only in 2002. In Russia, the missile was adopted in 2003.
    9. Oleg Shulga April 9 2020 18: 11 New
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      Formally, it was planned.
      Not formally -
      1. The rocket flew for the first time at the beginning of 2018 ... moreover, these were throwing tests, the launch accelerator from S-125 was actually tested.
      2. Ukraine never made a GOS and inertial for such products, and it did not have access to the same GOS from x-35
      3. tests of the rocket itself (as a full-fledged flying thing capable of flying a certain distance of -250+ km) were completed in November 2019.
      4. Now tests are being carried out to actually verify the operation of the GOS and the real possibility of defeating at least surface targets. So far there has been only one launch at a modest 75 km
      5. In the last tests, 3 missiles were actually tested, but there was only one launch for the target. The remaining 2 worked out other tasks - flying at very low altitudes along a complex path with checking the inertial, positioning system and altimeter.
      6. According to the plan, the completion of GOSov and the adoption of the Armed Forces of the RCC Neptune is planned for this year.
      7. In general, the money for testing and production is very allocated, they just go to another article, which under normal conditions means the purchase of serial products. There is a jamb and the difficulty with the fact that the tests are not completed and if suddenly problems arise with the rocket, then ... the manufacturer will have other problems as well.
      8. if everything goes without jambs, the first (at the end of the year) will accept the coastal version of Neptune (all nishtyaki such as the installations themselves, the radar and other things are very tested in parallel, it’s just not so screaming about all the media, it’s not spectacular like launches rockets). The ship version will be released no less than 2 years later and the current after that should have been air (planned for 2024)
    10. Sergey Kazarinov April 9 2020 22: 12 New
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      From the point of view of the success of the test firing, the hit is credited to the top five. If you rummage around on yuotube, you can see that in the X-35 tests the missile also passes through the net above the BCS deck (and not the barge). The radar center of the target is raised when the missiles are pointing at it using reflective angles. How a combat missile hits the target depends on the size and configuration of the EPR of the target itself. There were no examples of combat use of the X-35. It seems that the probable entry point of the missile at the target will still be the deck-superstructure area. On the designation of missiles in a salvo: it all depends on the type of target: if a boat or other ship is less than 500 tons displacement, then there are 1-2 missiles in a salvo. For purposes, a corvette frigate is from 2 to 4 in a salvo. Not professionally noted by you, "the missile did not hit the ground." What are you talking about? If we talk about such anti-ship missiles, then even judging by the video about the approach of the missile to the target, then its flight was carried out at a height of 2-3 m, which ensures that it was hit on board or in the superstructure area above the deck. It all depends on the conditions that I mentioned above. As for the remark about the cheers-patriots, I will nevertheless express my opinion that Ukraine really does not know much to do in the current conditions. This missile is an analogue, a clone (especially in terms of a glider, not to mention the engine of the Motor Sich company, it is also native to the X-35 and this clone), since it has never been engaged in the development and production of such missiles. I think that things with Neptune will not go beyond these steps, there are many examples of this. Remember the advertised rocket corvette, project 58250, which is still (for almost 10 years) located on the slipway of the Nikolaev shipyard, as an example of unfinished, gouging and theft of the state. of money
      1. dvina71 April 10 2020 01: 38 New
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        Quote: Sergey Kazarinov
        There were no examples of combat use of the X-35.

        What is this?
  3. Cowbra April 9 2020 13: 05 New
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    for 2020, funding for this development has not been allocated.

    God did not give horns to a vigorous cow laughing
    1. Bshkaus April 9 2020 13: 09 New
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      God did not give horns to a vigorous cow

      Just gave: the target is hit, the product meets the stated requirements. The completion of OCD can be considered successful. Further state tests and adoption. This is a completely different expense item.
      1. Cowbra April 9 2020 13: 14 New
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        ... the article is different, but there is no money laughing
        1. Bshkaus April 9 2020 13: 24 New
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          See:
          Article on VO from 03.02.18 "Ukraine will have a real threat to Russia in ten years"
          excerpt from the article:
          Russian politicians took the news from Kiev with irony. The Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, General Vladimir Shamanov, regarded the statement of Kiev politicians as nothing more than “propaganda”.

          ibid.
          And his first deputy, General Viktor Zavarzin, called for treating such messages with humor.

          Sivkov distinguished himself in that article
          I do not see the material and technical base in Ukraine in order to create such a missile, ”concluded Sivkov.

          The comments were hee hee, yes haha.
          Then there were many more articles in the same vein.
          I want to note that the past is not 10 years old, but the problem of the material and technical base for creating such a rocket somehow suddenly appeared.
          Let's see what Sivkov will say on the pages of the military-industrial complex.
          1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 13: 33 New
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            I want to note that the past is not 10 years old, but the problem of the material and technical base for creating such a rocket somehow suddenly appeared.

            Neptune is an attempt to create our X-35 Uranus. The only question is whether it can hit besides the grid remains open. RCC must be able to overcome missile defense and electronic warfare, and not just fly, and this is where the questions begin.
            1. alexmach April 9 2020 14: 24 New
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              RCC must be able to overcome missile defense and electronic warfare, and not just fly

              yeah .. especially missile defense and electronic warfare of 50-year-old ships of the Black Sea Fleet ...
              There is a given their version of the X-35, they apparently brought to mind, or in the near future will bring. What would the same incident in the Kerch Strait look like if Ukraine could use ground-based anti-ship missiles besides shell-shells? What will happen if these anti-ship missiles arm boats, even the very same Priluki and decommissioned American ones?
              1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 14: 51 New
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                Quote: alexmach
                ABM and EW 50-year-old ships of the Black Sea Fleet

                Project 11356 frigates? RTO project 22800?
                Quote: alexmach
                There is a given their version of the X-35, they apparently brought to mind, or in the near future will bring.

                Whether there is a? So far, all their attempts to create new weapons have not been very successful.
                1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 04 New
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                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: alexmach
                  ABM and EW 50-year-old ships of the Black Sea Fleet

                  Project 11356 frigates? RTO project 22800?

                  no matter how modern the ship is, do you think that the RCC does not pose a threat to it? Moreover, Neptune, it must be understood, is not the ancient P-15, but an analogue of the still quite effective Uranus. With the ability to work on ground targets.
                  1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 19: 39 New
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                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    no matter how modern the ship is, do you think that the RCC does not pose a threat to it?

                    Depends on whether she can get into it.
                    Quote: Gregory_45
                    this is not the ancient P-15, but an analogue of the still quite effective Uranus.

                    That's just the point, that analog. Ukrainian.
                    1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 20: 03 New
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                      Depends on whether she can get into it.

                      a missile carries a potential threat. Is always. For any ship. Whether a ship can repel an attack depends on many factors and is estimated by probability. Which is never equal to one. Just like an attacking rocket, the probability of hitting is not 1
                      1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 20: 09 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        a missile carries a potential threat. Is always

                        Any weapon carries a potential threat. An example of a boat with explosives and the destroyer of the United States. But one thing is the threat that if 4 missiles are fired, then one will hit with a probability close to 1, and another thing if 10 missiles are fired and the probability of hitting 0.01. The fact that a lot of the USSR was left behind in Ukraine is a fact, the question is what they can do now.
                2. alexmach April 9 2020 16: 44 New
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                  Project 11356 frigates?

                  Are these those who are practically without air defense of the near zone? .. No, these will probably be taken off, already from a single missile so precisely ... And from any serious volley?
                  ISC project 22800

                  Some of which are without air defense, some are not all foreshortening Shell.

                  But these are new ships, and besides them there is still a lot of old ones available.

                  ships of the project 1135 - this and to repel a single missile will already be an achievement.
                  + BDK,
                  + a bunch of Buyans, who, although violent but in defense, "goal like a falcon"
                  + Lightning
                  + Albatrosses
                  What about the anti-piracy miracle 22160? in the amount of 6 pieces

                  Most of the Black Sea Fleet ships for these missiles are just targets.
                  1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 19: 51 New
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                    Quote: alexmach
                    And from any serious salvo?

                    But what is considered a serious salvo? Any air defense can be overloaded with a mass of missiles.
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Some of which are without air defense

                    In fact, there is air defense on everyone, but the first 2 are not Shell, but 30 mm, as on other ships, except 22160.
                    And for that matter, I wrote that there is more than one Soviet legacy that is 40-50 years old.
                    But I do not believe in the possibility of the Ukrainian defense industry. Just because all of their new developments have always ended in zilch and corpses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                    1. alexmach April 9 2020 19: 56 New
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                      But what is considered a serious salvo? Any air defense can be overloaded with a mass of missiles.

                      Well, at least the same 4 missiles allowed on one installation from different directions? What about 8?
                      and 30 mm, as on other ships, except 22160

                      There is still an Wasp on the remaining ships, but that Wasp, that 30 mm guns are most likely to be useless even against subsonic anti-ship missiles.
                      But I do not believe in the possibility of the Ukrainian defense industry.

                      Discussing issues of personal faith rather than facts is a fairly expected turn in such an emotional topic.
            2. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 14: 55 New
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              The only question is whether it can hit besides the grid remains open

              no, the question is already closed. The rocket confidently hit the target.

              Quote: Dart2027
              Neptune is an attempt to create our X-35 "Uranus"

              this is an attempt to make an analogue of the modernized X-35U
              1. Avior April 9 2020 15: 19 New
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                In my opinion, it is more correct to say that both the Kh-35U and Neptune are missiles based on the Soviet X-35, which were not initially produced in their designed form.
                both that and another differ from the original X-35 range, guidance system, Neptune-sized in addition.
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                Quote: Gregory_45
                The rocket confidently hit the target.

                Having overcome electronic warfare and air defense?
                Quote: Gregory_45
                an attempt to make an analogue of the modernized X-35U

                I forgot the letter "y", but the essence of this does not change.
                1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 19: 59 New
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                  Having overcome electronic warfare and air defense?

                  do not write nonsense. Test launches are carried out using electronic warfare and trying to shoot down a rocket?

                  Based on the available information, Neptune, like the X-35U, has a dual-band ARLGSN capable of operating in conditions of electronic countermeasures. As for air defense, how lucky it is - even though the rocket and subsonic (speed of about 1000 km / h), but in the final section goes very low above sea level, at an altitude of 3 to 10 meters.
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                    Test launches are carried out using electronic warfare and trying to bring down a rocket
                    Not in trials, but in life, this is what she will have to do.
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                    has dual-band ARLGSN

                    Question from where? From the Soviet backlog? Then a little outdated. New? And whose development?
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                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: Gregory_45
                      Test launches are carried out using electronic warfare and trying to bring down a rocket
                      Not in trials, but in life, this is what she will have to do.

                      in this case, we are commenting on the trials, not the combat use. And that’s why I write hit the target, not the target

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And whose development?

                      Earlier here this question was clarified. Development of the Ukrainian NPP "Radionics". On the X-35U is ARGS-35 from the St. Petersburg Scientific-Production Enterprise Radar Mms. The heads are even outwardly different.
                      1. Dart2027 April 9 2020 20: 33 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        we comment on trials, not combat use

                        The tests have passed, no one argues with this. The question is what this rocket is capable of under real conditions.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Development of the Ukrainian NPP "Radionics".

                        That's it, that's what this is about.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        From the Soviet backlog? Then a little outdated.
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                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        From the Soviet backlog? Then a little outdated.

                        what does the Soviet hurt? You do not understand what is written? Then - look for information yourself.
                        Ukraine did not have documentation on ARLGSN missiles X-35

                        And, do I understand correctly, do you consider the domestic head obsolete? What is this bold statement based on?
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        what does the Soviet hurt?

                        Despite the fact that until now all attempts to create something of their own in Ukraine did not end very well. ARLGSN is a very complicated thing and I wonder where they got it from, and for some reason it seems that it was from a warehouse from the times of the USSR where it was delivered for installation on the first X-35s.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        And, do I understand correctly, do you consider the domestic head obsolete?

                        With the development of science and technology, everything becomes obsolete. Accordingly, the "heads" that are on the missiles made now and those that were put 30 years ago on the first X-35s are not the same thing.
                      4. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 23: 30 New
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                        Despite the fact that until now all attempts to create something of their own in Ukraine did not end very well.

                        a lot has been developed, a lot - at a decent level. They successfully sell ATGMs, upgrade air-to-air missiles (including replacing GOS)

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        ARLGSN is a very complicated thing and I wonder where they got it from, and for some reason it seems that from the warehouse of the USSR, where it was delivered for installation on the first X-35

                        only the characteristics of the GOS and the control system are more consistent with those installed on the X-35U (first missiles - 2009-2010) than on the X-35. It can also be assumed that the head for the GOS Neptune was taken from the S-200 missile

                        What the Ukrainians borrowed from the Soviet rocket is the motor (probably, slightly podshamaniv it). TRDD-50 was produced in Ukraine until the collapse of the USSR
                      5. Dart2027 April 10 2020 06: 43 New
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                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        a lot has been developed, a lot - at a decent level

                        For some reason, all that I had to read about their development is that they even managed to spoil the Kalash.
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        It can also be assumed that the head for the GOS Neptune was taken from the S-200 missile

                        That's it, I wrote about this. The S-200 was put into service in 1967. And is this an advanced development?
  4. Cowbra April 9 2020 13: 33 New
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    And, as I understand it, a half-century-old missile that exists in one (that is, sorry, no longer existing at all) is a threat to Russia. For which there is no money. The threat to Russia is oil and gas, which they found there in 2014, they promised to fill Europe with them, only not to sell to Russia - hi, their sons will die from sansctions!
    And a missile flying over 75 km is a threat, yes ... It can break the net, that's why they tested it. The Fourth Reich's Nether Weapon! Fishermen, you Khan!
    Let first learn how to make CARTRIDGES. And not pistol on machines of the beginning of the last century, as it is now
    1. alexmach April 9 2020 14: 29 New
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      I would not seriously count on either “no money” or “just 75km”. It is obvious that they were able to close which water area for testing in this one. We must proceed from the fact that in the next couple of years they will produce a couple of coastal complexes and also equip their boats with these missiles, and then they can very seriously spoil the Black Sea Fleet in the Black Sea, at least constantly diverting significant forces and means, at the very least threatening combat ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
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        A missile in production is expensive, all the more so they can only do it piece by piece - it will be even more expensive from this. What kind of "boat to arm", whom, Centaurs? The machine gun can barely get on it, the launcher will drown him directly right away, and again - where is the money for this - I wrote for good reason at the top - there is no money to rivet the machine-gun cartridges, and here you are about missiles, complexes!
        1. alexmach April 9 2020 16: 33 New
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          A missile in production is expensive, all the more so they can only do it piece by piece - it will be even more expensive from this.

          Piece 20 even in a screwdriver assembly? What do you think pull? Why would they mass produce it at all?
          What kind of "boat to arm", whom, Centaurs?

          E .. m .. Well, the same notorious "Priluki - missile boat without missiles"?
          The same Islands donated by America? They are already in stock 2 pieces and about 4 more are being negotiated. Three times more of this your "cintaur" if that.
          1. Cowbra April 9 2020 16: 55 New
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            How many ax? Lam? 1 rocket, and flow. So this will be - 5, plus the launch, fasteners on the boat, some kind of detection ... Everything, I did not believe it. Do you understand that they have points in good condition - there was not enough money before the civil war? !!! As they burst into the suburbs of Kiev, they forbade them to shoot at exercises even because no dough for that even. SchA war sucked the last - where do they get Lyam 50-100 for one launcher for Priluk? !!!
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              How many ax? Lam? 1 rocket, and flow.

              Ax? why immediately an ax? much more logical to compare with the X-35 no? And the characteristics are close and the production is just not particularly massive.
              And how much does it cost? And for yourself in rubles and not for export?

              where will they get Lyam 50-100 for one launcher for Priluk? !!!

              how many missiles did you count? twenty?
              1. Cowbra April 9 2020 17: 46 New
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                Launcher-fasteners-detection-and at least a couple of missiles. There are a hundred, IMHO, a little! For myself, not for myself, I’m saying that it will be more expensive than an Ax rather than cheaper! Twist a piece. It always has been. Plus, yes, the Ax is garbage, there is RCC, it has guidance more expensive than land, consider a kamikaze plane with homing and autopilot ...
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                Launcher-fasteners

                Compared to NIKOR, what about the price of a rocket - count for free
                detection

                This, by the way, is the first serious question.
                There are a hundred, IMHO, a little!

                Millions of dollars? On one boat? You are an indefatigable dreamer.
                will be more expensive than an ax than cheaper!

                Well, it can’t be more expensive than the Ax in any way. X-35 is not more expensive? The price of human labor in Ukraine is low. Access to any imported element base is easy.
                Twist by the piece

                Five times? This will never happen. Moreover, RCC in any case is not mass production in thousands of pieces.
          2. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 19: 08 New
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            How many ax? Lam? 1 rocket, and flow

            you’ve been robust so compared medium-range anti-ship missiles with SLCMs))
            If you compare - then with the Russian X-35 or the American Harpoon. Uranus rocket costs about 20 million rubles. Money not transcendental for the state
            1. Cowbra April 9 2020 19: 15 New
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              Well, if so, then yes. But again it is unclear - and there is no such money? No, not my words
  • PalBor April 9 2020 13: 39 New
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    Very correct remark. This test was conducted on the remains of the 2019 budget. For 2020, money was not allocated even for revision neither to Neptune, nor to Vilkhu-M. Moreover, it is not offensive to admit, their Design Bureau Luch managed to create good and dangerous missiles on a Soviet basis. But there in Ukroboronprom Abromavichus and Co. they rule, famous "magicians", so ... As we have in the 90s. There are ideas and products, no money. Better Czech infantry fighting vehicles, worth 20 thousand euros for 205 thousand euros we will buy. what
  • neri73-r April 9 2020 15: 18 New
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    Just gave: the target is hit, the product meets the stated requirements. The completion of OCD can be considered successful. Further state tests and adoption.

    A waste of money, just for public relations! From a military point of view, this is a useless thing and money thrown away. Nobody will buy it from foreign customers. For its own aircraft, it is not needed, since there are practically no carriers. The Armed Forces of Ukraine need it only for the purpose of fighting us, but for this, missiles need to have more than one hundred, which again comes down to money.
    1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 30 New
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      For its aircraft, it is not needed, since there are practically no carriers

      why not? There is a coastal complex (it was shot from it), by analogy with the Soviet X-35 Neptune can even be put on small ships (boats), aircraft can also serve as carriers (from jet fighters to patrol An-26s and helicopters)
      In your place would not be so categorical.
      Quote: neri73-r
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine need it only for the purpose of fighting us, but for this missiles it is necessary to have not one hundred

      they will not fight with us. And they can do it. Moreover, in any case, the General Staff will react to the emergence of new weapons in Ukraine, which will delay additional forces and funds in the region
  • rocket757 April 9 2020 13: 07 New
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    She died, she died ... convulsions are not considered life.
    1. Equalized April 9 2020 13: 09 New
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      KB - the developer of this rocket is more alive than all living things. Hundreds of ATGMs and thousands of missiles are delivered to them both abroad and in the Armed Forces. One of the few enterprises in the military-industrial complex of Ukraine that works well and breathes. smile
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        One small enterprise, for an economy not a small country. Do you think this is a solution to the problem? Well, well, fresh tradition.
  • APASUS April 9 2020 13: 08 New
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    Nothing is reported on plans for arming the RCC "Neptune", there is information that funding for this development was not allocated for 2020.

    As I understand it, the developer carries out all R&D and tests at his own expense, in the hope of purchasing the Ukrainian Defense Ministry?
    1. Equalized April 9 2020 13: 10 New
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      In 2019, the program was funded from the budget of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. In 2020, they plan some fraud with state guarantees, that is, they will finance not directly through the budget, but through other channels. Let's see what happens.
    2. voyaka uh April 9 2020 13: 20 New
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      If the rocket turned out normal, then it can be exported.
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        If the rocket turned out normal, then it can be exported.

        Will you buy It’s clear that they themselves have a mustache, and after a well-known company selling tanks from Ukraine no one will buy anything! Maybe if only some Honduras or Gabon and a half missiles! wassat Well, from under the floors the most infamous non-democratic regimes ..... documentation will be taken. tongue
        1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 19: 13 New
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          nobody will buy anything from Ukraine! Maybe if only some Honduras or Gabon and a half missiles!

          The UAE and Saudi Arabia, for example, cooperate with Ukraine. For the latter, they developed OTRK Thunder. Neptune can also offer, as a cheap replacement for Harpoons
          1. neri73-r April 9 2020 21: 16 New
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            Neptune can also offer, as a cheap replacement for Harpoons
            Cool, American Harpoons to Ukrainian Neptune change !!!! Who will allow them ???? Yankees, what, idiots? Yes, naivety is not a sign of stupidity, but a purity of the soul! (C) In what world do you live? Who will give them profit? Where did you see that the servants of the owner were pressed
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              those countries are not very interested in the Americans what weapons they should buy. Although completely loyal to Washington. But loyal - does not mean on the position of slaves. They have both Russian and French weapons. If it is in their interests, Neptune will also be bought, in any case, it will be cheaper than Garpunov, with similar characteristics
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                Blessed is he who believes! fellow
          2. neri73-r April 9 2020 21: 24 New
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            The UAE and Saudi Arabia, for example, cooperate with Ukraine. For the latter, they developed OTRK Thunder.

            There, cooperation consists in the development and transfer of documentation! Schasss, Ukraine will produce, and the Emirates and the SA to buy, fled! Technology transfer and nothing personal.
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              There, cooperation consists in the development and transfer of documentation! Schasss, Ukraine will produce, and the Emirates and the SA to buy, fled! Technology transfer and nothing personal.

              CA, will not produce OTRK. She has neither competencies nor the desire to expand production. Arabs will buy ready-made systems and missiles.
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    They are being prepared by the State Department for provocations against Russia .. Well, nothing, as if these missiles didn’t dunk themselves or their masters (the course of the rocket could change, etc.))))
    Quote: APASUS
    As I understand it, the developer carries out all R&D and tests at his own expense, in the hope of purchasing the Ukrainian Defense Ministry?

    You understand correctly and that if anything can be blamed on them for anything .. Who finances this is a tricky question!
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    ... the article is different, but there is no money laughing

    Yes, it’s just the money. Everyone pays a military fee.
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    AK-630M-2 him (Neptune laughing ) in du ... u

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    If the rocket turned out normal, then it can be exported.

    If any country is interested and gives money for revision and mass production, then maybe.
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  • Avior April 9 2020 14: 04 New
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    missile range and navigation verification
    December 5, 2018 Checking the flight range of the rocket, control and accuracy of guidance. Destroyed target at a distance of 280 km

    Testing the launch, navigation and missile control system in the middle of the flight
    April 5, 2019 Another test of the rocket and verification of the operation of the launcher based on the Kraz car.
    The missile flew 225 km along a complex path, dropping from 300 to 10 meters.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Нептун_(крылатая_ракета)
    from the X-35, by the way, the missile is different in size, control system and the ability to attack ground targets.


    Financing of the Neptune program in 2020 is provided in full. At the same time, the purchase of Vilha missiles was planned in accordance with program indicators - within the allocated funds. This is stated in the press service of the Ministry of Defense ... The purchase of infantry fighting vehicles in 2020 will be carried out in volumes according to commercial proposals for imports, taking into account the fact that the arsenal of the armed forces is equipped with samples of the former USSR. In 2020, deliveries of more than 70 unmanned aerial systems are planned in accordance with the needs identified by the General Staff.


    https://www.unian.net/weapons/10880705-v-minoborony-razyasnili-situaciyu-vokrug-finansirovaniya-neptuna-i-vilha.html
    although earlier some did say that the funding would be according to the system that exists for the purchase of serial equipment, under state guarantees.
    hi
    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 15: 52 New
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      from the X-35, by the way, the missile is different in size, control system and the ability to attack ground targets.

      The size is yes. The latest version of the X-35U can work on ground targets. In Syria, the X-35U missile hit ground targets.
      During the operation in Syria, Russian Su-34 front-line bombers launched X-35 missiles against terrorists.

      Video of the defeat of the X-35U ground target at the link below.
      https://andrei-bt.livejournal.com/1079634.html

      The decision that the Kh-35U will be included in the Su-35S weapons set was made in early September. The Kh-35U missile can attack ground targets, including heavily fortified enemy positions, warehouses, and mobile military equipment. This goes beyond what her predecessor, the X-35 cruise missile, was capable of.


      X-35U is made according to the normal aerodynamic scheme and has an X-shaped folding wing with an air intake of a trapezoidal section. After launch, the rocket instantly finds its target and is steadily moving in its direction. It is controlled by an inertial system. The active radar head ARGS-35E and the radio altimeter provide all the necessary information to build the final trajectory. The X-35U also has advanced guidance systems with advanced satellite navigation.


      A rocket is extremely difficult to stop, even if it is already detected. Her dual-band active guidance system allows her to bypass all intercept systems, as well as the impact of advanced electronic warfare equipment.

      https://rueconomics.ru/354160-novaya-rossiiskaya-raketa-kh-35u-sposobna-prevratit-lyubuyu-platformu-v-opasneishee-mnogofunkcionalnoe-oruzhie
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        I don’t know if Neptune’s GPS is dual-band or not, but the rest of Neptune has the same differences from the original X-35 that you wrote, it uses GPS instead of Glonass for correction.
        I wrote there above
        In my opinion, it is more correct to say that both the Kh-35U and Neptune are missiles based on the Soviet X-35, which were not initially produced in their designed form.
        both that and another differ from the original X-35 range, guidance system, Neptune-sized in addition.
  • Maks1995 April 9 2020 14: 07 New
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    Well, like our patriots, they didn’t laugh at Ukraine, and weapons appear.
    ATGM, Tanks, now RCC.
    Now they’ll probably write everywhere that the next thing is missing .....
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      1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 16: 19 New
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        Is all this Neptune and Alder-M, or do you mean KR Kite or something else interesting? wink
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin April 9 2020 19: 45 New
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        “... Ukrainization means: abandoning your past, being ashamed of belonging to the Russian people, even the names“ Rus ”,“ Russian ”, abandoning the traditions of history, carefully wiping off all common Russian peculiarities and trying to fake a regional“ Ukrainian ”identity.

        Ukraine is a retreat from the centuries-old, with all the branches of the Russian people and the national genius of a developed language and culture, self-transformation into an intertribal obnosov, to a wipe of either Polish or German boots: idolatry before the region, servility before the Polish-Jewish-German socialists, renunciation of the original principles their people, from historical self-awareness, a departure from church-social traditions.

        Ukraine is an ailment that is capable of undermining even the most powerful national organism, and there is no condemnation that would be enough for this voluntary self-destruction! ”
        Osip Monchalovsky from the work "The main foundations of the Russian nationality" (1904)

        “In order for there to be a“ Ukrainian ”culture, the existence of the Ukrainian people is necessary. But there is no people of that name yet, in the extreme in Galicia there is only the “Ukrainian” variety of the Russian people. ”
  • val43 April 9 2020 14: 11 New
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    Of course, it wasn’t planned. As it’s not planned to take Neptune into service, as it’s all for blowing dust, you’ll see how terrible we are, but as tests we didn’t plan to hit the barge, on another test a jamb so that Neptune didn’t fly there They explained that it was planned, and most importantly, those who really know the state of affairs on this project are well aware that this is a fake, therefore they do not plan to buy, since there is nothing to buy.

    The Minister of Defense of Ukraine said ... laughing
  • Ros 56 April 9 2020 14: 36 New
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    Is not all Soviet ruined these savages Bandera? Surprising for these sailors.
    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 14: 45 New
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      A set of production and design documentation for the X-35, back in the years of the USSR, was transferred to the Kharkov Aviation Plant.
      1. Avior April 9 2020 15: 26 New
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        Neptune differs from the Soviet X-35 in size and guidance system, so this was obviously not done according to the old set of documentation.
        1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 16: 13 New
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          Neptune differs from the Soviet X-35 in size and guidance system, so this was obviously not done according to the old set of documentation.

          Take a close look at the table; it indicates that the Kh-35U (2015) can hit ground targets, which was demonstrated in Syria. Launches were carried out from the Su-34.
          1. Avior April 9 2020 17: 37 New
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            I looked long ago.
            but you don’t quite understand.
            The control system allows you to hit ground targets at all of the missiles, including Neptune and X-35U, except for the X-35. I have not argued the opposite anywhere.
            The control system of all but the X-35 uses correction using satellite navigation.
            I brought a plate to show the size of the missiles, so that it was clear that the design documentation from the X-35 cannot be used for the production of Neptune - they are different in size.
            1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 17: 53 New
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              Quote: Avior
              I looked long ago.
              but you don’t quite understand.
              The control system allows you to hit ground targets at all of the missiles, including Neptune and X-35U, except for the X-35. I have not argued the opposite anywhere.
              The control system of all but the X-35 uses correction using satellite navigation.
              I brought a plate to show the size of the missiles, so that it was clear that the design documentation from the X-35 cannot be used for the production of Neptune - they are different in size.

              I thought that you meant that the X-35U, unlike Neptune, could not work on ground targets, and it turns out that you had in mind the earlier X-35. I don’t understand you.
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          1. Ros 56 April 9 2020 15: 14 New
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            It stuck you all, he is your hero, and not mine, so I repeat for the gifted: don’t crap any food and go to your Bandera sites, you shouldn’t do it here. They turned the country into a garbage dump and something else croak earhooks. Donbass will still say nothing.
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            you are stuck with the "Bandera", reset to zero in the reset "country"?

            You were mistaken, he is not from Ukraine to be
            nullified in a nullified "country"
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    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 16: 06 New
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      Let's say that maybe you will be able to finish the analogue of our X-35U.
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    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 16: 04 New
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      Like in FIG, that's all.
  • Maas April 9 2020 15: 15 New
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    The speed of the rocket in the region of 1000 km / h?
    1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 15: 38 New
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      The speed of the rocket in the region of 1000 km / h?

      A flight speed of up to 0,85 M - this is about 1000 km / h
  • Old26 April 9 2020 15: 17 New
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    If the rocket turned out normal, then it can be exported.

    And if they, Aleksey, can sell it to someone, then there will be a howl at VO: "Why did these ave. Idiots from A (B. V, D - name any country) bought this g ... but Neptune, and not our “Onyx.” And they will scratch their turnips, but why did Ukraine create such a rocket - they are unskillful people and only do that they are sawing the budget

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    Quote: voyaka uh
    If the rocket turned out normal, then it can be exported.

    If any country is interested and gives money for revision and mass production, then maybe.

    That's quite possible. Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf countries can order such a rocket from Ukraine, especially when you consider that its cost will probably be lower than the market value of Harpoon, which has a market value of $ 1,5 million.
    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 16: 03 New
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      Well, you compared the supersonic Onyx, which in its latest modification Onyx-M flies 800 km and the subsonic analog of our X-35U subsonic Neptune rocket.
      Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf countries can order such a rocket from Ukraine, especially when you consider that its cost will probably be lower than the market value of Harpoon, which has a market value of $ 1,5 million.

      With these purchases, the Gulf countries pay for loyalty to their western patron. No one will let Ukraine into this market. It is not a matter of money; the market is divided there.
      1. Oleg Shulga April 9 2020 17: 52 New
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        With the anti-tank systems they started up, from the design bureau “ray”?
        For 2 years, Jordan bought several hundred rockets and bought a license to build the Corsair.
        The Saudis have bought more than 200 anti-tank systems Skif and Corsair and about 2 thousand missiles for them for 150 million Basques and are going to buy as many
        Qatar bought about one and a half hundred guidance systems for Turkish modules under Skif and missiles for them
        And there are still purchases of Algeria, Azerbaijan, the OAU ...
  • Old26 April 9 2020 17: 40 New
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    Well, you compared the supersonic Onyx, which in its latest modification Onyx-M flies 800 km and the subsonic analog of our X-35U subsonic Neptune rocket.
    Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf countries can order such a rocket from Ukraine, especially when you consider that its cost will probably be lower than the market value of Harpoon, which has a market value of $ 1,5 million.

    With these purchases, the Gulf countries pay for loyalty to their western patron. No one will let Ukraine into this market. It is not a matter of money; the market is divided there.

    I compare what is. Will we sell or not sell the same Onyx in country X will decide, scratching his left heel behind his ear. And without any logic. A vivid example is Azerbaijan. Selling a lot of different weapons, they suddenly for some reason refused to buy the Ball complex. Result - Azerbaijanis bought the Israeli Gabriel. Same thing with other countries. The Saudis want to buy the same Onyx, and we will wander around like with Azerbaijan, while Ukraine will push in advance - they will buy from Ukraine. especially if they fulfill the order for the Thunder-2 for the Saudis. Plus offer a lower price. And the main thing will be the quantity. They have an enemy coast of 200 km. And if you have to choose between an expensive supersonic missile and a cheap subsonic one, then at this distance they will buy a cheap one. For they will buy more. And the rocket will fly to the target for 4 minutes or 10 - not particularly important. In addition, the goals of the same opponents of Saudi Arabia are most often such that the expensive Onyx is redundant. A boat or corvette is cheaper to sink by Neptune / Harpoon / Uranus than using Onyx.
    And about loyalty. Nevertheless, they buy our weapons and order Ukrainian, despite the fact that they are loyal to the Americans.

    The latest modification of Onyx-M is not yet and it is not known when it will be. So it’s better not to remember him, like Caliber-M now. Put into service, put into production, then we'll talk. So far, this is a virtual weapon system similar to Zircon, Petrel, Poseidon and other wunderwaffes.
    1. Sky strike fighter April 9 2020 18: 15 New
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      The latest modification of Onyx-M is not yet and it is not known when it will be.

      Well, how is it not? The tests of Onyx-M and Zircon are on. The strange logic about the tested Neptune can be said that it is, but the tested Onyx-M and Zircon seem to be gone.
      MOSCOW, September 25. / TASS /. Sea-based cruise missile "Onyx-M" with an increased range of up to 800 km passed throw tests, before taking into service it is necessary to conduct flight tests at the declared range.


      range increased due to the new composition of the fuel, as well as a lighter and more compact onboard radio electronics of the rocket. All regular carriers of the previous version of Onyx will be able to fire with a new rocket, since its dimensions have not changed.

      Earlier on Wednesday, a TASS source in the military-industrial complex said that the machine-building NGO developed the Onyx-M sea-based cruise missile with an increased firing range and increased accuracy of hitting sea and ground targets. “On the basis of the Onyx cruise missile in service, a new version has been developed - Onyx-M, with a maximum range of 800 km,” the agency’s source said.

      https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6925991
  • Old26 April 9 2020 19: 14 New
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    Well, how is it not? The tests of Onyx-M and Zircon are on. The strange logic about the tested Neptune can be said that it is, but the tested Onyx-M and Zircon seem to be gone.

    I will repeat again if you do not understand. All three - Onyx-M, Zircon and Neptune are in the test phase. Moreover, the status of the same Onyx-M is still not clear. Either development is underway, or tests have begun. About Caliber-M is still off the beaten path. It is only known that the Zircon is tested. And tested "Neptune" from our neighbors.
    So, prospective buyers in the Persian Gulf are unlikely to buy the same Onyx and Onyx-M. But the missile class "Harpoon" / "Uranus" / "Neptune" - easily.
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      So, prospective buyers in the Persian Gulf are unlikely to buy the same Onyx and Onyx-M. But the missile class "Harpoon" / "Uranus" / "Neptune" - easily.

      So I don’t argue with that. They don’t have to confront AUG. Yes, we are not making these missiles for sale, but for ourselves. Otherwise, buyers will give rockets to amers, it will be interesting. They are loyal to them. For sale Bramos is.
      1. Grigory_45 April 9 2020 23: 53 New
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        Otherwise, buyers will give rockets to amers, that will be interesting. They are loyal to them.

        India didn’t quarrel with the USA either; Caliber family missiles were delivered to India (both SLCM 3M-14E and RCC 3M-54E)
    2. slipped April 9 2020 21: 13 New
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      So, promising buyers in the Persian Gulf are unlikely to buy the same Onyx and Onyx-M.


      "Prospective buyers" will buy Yahont, in the extreme case of Bramos. Onyx is not for sale.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2020 20: 02 New
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    Yes, the missile turned out to be in Ukraine, our fleet should pay more attention to the missile defense of ships.
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    So, promising buyers in the Persian Gulf are unlikely to buy the same Onyx and Onyx-M.


    "Prospective buyers" will buy Yahont, in the extreme case of Bramos. Onyx is not for sale.

    Ueli. Of course, the export version of Onyx is Yakhont. Yes, and “Yakhont” with “Bramos” is absolutely not needed there. Expensive and at the same time redundant for this region