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Import substitution in a crisis: cancel and reset?

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Crisis is not war, it won’t write off everything



The situation with import substitution in Russia in a pandemic and general self-isolation painfully resembles a bearded anecdote:

- Darling, what should you bring from abroad?

- Bring what you want. Now everything is being treated.

In mid-March, when quarantine in Russia had not yet been announced, the Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation proposed temporarily (until the end of September) to reset duties on the import of agricultural products, raw materials and finished food to Russia. But "temporality", in accordance with our traditions, too often turns into constancy. Moreover, import substitution of agricultural raw materials and prepared food has not been discussed for a long time from official stands.

But excuse me, what kind of geography of food imports are we talking about today, when almost all commercial products in the world are directly or indirectly affected by COVID-19? Alas, the geography of possible imports is not explained ... And besides, doesn’t this mean the abolition of duties on the actual abolition of the food embargo for the West?

The agency sent a letter proposing the abolition of duties to 21 industry associations. Such an “innovation” is justified by the fact that the abolition of those duties was proposed “in order to curb rising prices for socially significant products”. Is that why the Ministry of Agriculture is considering "the possibility of initiating the zeroing of import duties on certain groups of goods and raw materials for the production of agricultural products"?

Note that the proposed solution will be distributed to all EAEU countries in view of the common customs and tariff policy of the member countries prescribed by the member countries of the union. Well, then what about the recently announced integration agrarian projects in the EAEU? So they will remain declarative? Does the crisis write everything off?

It’s not forever, it’s worse - for a long time


However, it seems that this is not only about the food assortment. Say, the head of Soyuzmolok, Artyom Belov, considers it "advisable to abolish duties on a number of goods that seriously affect the cost of dairy products." According to A. Belov, which is shared by many farmers, goods whose import must be duty-free should be, for example, “equipment of this sub-sector and spare parts for it, packaging materials, veterinary preparations, pedigree cattle, genetic material and much more.”

And this is not surprising, since in the production of Russian dairy products (including cheeses), even according to official figures, the share of technological equipment from non-CIS countries still exceeds 60%. For other mentioned positions, the contribution of foreign countries is at least the same 60%.

Obviously, a significant import substitution for agricultural raw materials and finished food is hardly possible without a self-sufficient national production and technological base. But in this segment, real financing, public and private, as a whole does not reach 40% of real needs. And, of course, it will be reduced in connection not only with the pandemic and its consequences, but also with the actual collapse of the ruble.

Alas, in the current economic conditions (when, above all, world oil prices determine the price of the ruble), business and the state do not risk fully investing in the industrial base of the agro-industrial complex. It is understandable: such costs are time-consuming and much more significant in comparison with investments in the production of agricultural raw materials. But oil prices, as you know, do not linger for a long time ...

One way or another, but the actual volumes of deliveries of agricultural raw materials and prepared food from non-CIS countries to the Russian Federation over the past four years, according to estimates by analysts from the Timiryazev Academy, have generally decreased by no more than 15%. Moreover, large volumes of re-export to the country (through other EAEU countries) of food and agricultural raw materials from countries included in the Russian countersanctions are preserved.

Since no harsh measures against such re-export are still being undertaken to this day, it is reasonable to assume that the real situation with import substitution for agricultural raw materials and finished food products is not as harmonious as it was officially presented until recently by the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Meanwhile, problems with the material and technical base persist in the fruit and vegetable sub-sector. Therefore, in the Fruit and Vegetable Union of the Russian Federation, it is considered possible to consider temporary zeroing of duties not on finished products of the industry, but on the material and technical resources used in the cultivation and processing of vegetables and fruits. “This is a challenge for the future,” says Mikhail Glushkov, head of the union. “This approach is more important than temporarily zeroing the import duty, for example, of potatoes.”

The Ministry of Agriculture also seems to be offering duty-free imports of beef, pork, and offal. For against the abolition of duties on these goods is the National Meat Association. According to estimates of which, the capacities in the meat sector of the Russian agro-industrial complex are able to provide the predominant part of domestic demand.

The All-Russian Association of Fisheries Enterprises, Entrepreneurs and Exporters (WARPE) has the same position on the possible abolition of duties on fish products. According to the head of WARPE German Zverev, this decision “taking into account the situation with the ruble will not lead to lower retail prices for products, but will create additional benefits for foreign suppliers.”

Nothing temporary, just business


Despite the embargo and all counter-sanctions, the share of imports from non-CIS countries in the technological support of the Russian agro-industrial complex, including the food industry, remains at the level of 65-70%. Such an assessment is made by almost all profile structures, up to Rosstat. But, of course, they are not obliged to provide data from the US Department of Agriculture, which estimates this level as at least 75%, which makes the Russian market so attractive for technological imports.

It is clear that such imports also will not fall in price, even because of the coronavirus. Therefore, G. Zverev is absolutely right in his doubts about the "cheapening" of imported products. Again, due to the higher cost of imports due to the current rate of Russian money. The ruble is weakening, which means that the cost of imports of agricultural equipment and other technological components for the agricultural sector is growing.

Therefore, the list of the proposed duty-free imports may well include the goods of the resource-technological segment of the agro-industrial complex. A number of industrial unions are now advocating for this. But this, of course, will last a long time, if not forever, delay import substitution in the material and technical base of the agro-industrial complex of the entire EAEU.

According to Forbes magazine (December 6, 2019), the real situation with import substitution in Russia, including in the agricultural sector, is due to the fact that

“The domestic market of the Russian Federation does not provide sufficient demand due to a drop in the purchasing power of consumers. Therefore, it is easier and cheaper to buy abroad in the right amount than to produce in a warehouse. ”


Even in translation, the design of Forbes analysts is not easy to read, but the point is clear. In order to ensure the required volumes of Russian production of analogues of equipment and components imported from far abroad, time and large investments are needed, but they are not. We also need a long-term revival of domestic demand. But this is not even expected in modern conditions. Moreover, these conditions, as it turns out, alas, are far from short-lived.

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Instead of postscript. To quote Andrei Slepnev, Minister of the Eurasian Economic Commission for Trade:

“In the shortest possible time, we will work out the entire final list of goods for which, on a temporary basis, tariff protection will also be reset, duties will be reduced.”
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 11 2020 05: 32 New
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    What else can we expect from "our" "elite", which has almost all interests and property abroad?
    1. marchcat
      marchcat April 11 2020 05: 50 New
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      And what do you expect from them? It is clear that all "their Wishlist" have long since ended. For five years, no one even bothered to start investing in their own economy.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 11 2020 07: 55 New
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        Quote: marchcat
        For five years, no one even bothered to start investing in their own economy.

        Not 5 years ago, it all started, but they lie already at least 20, about rural farming is especially sophisticated, it is in the agricultural sector that we have particularly successful successes, only in the rebel relay we forgot to talk about the import origin of everything, from seed to milking machines and breeding cattle.
        In this situation, the entire 20-year-old lie will become more and more obvious every day.
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 11 2020 08: 05 New
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        Bought abroad, sold in Russia. Profit in your pocket. And NO headache. This applies not only to the agricultural sector. The Yankees achieved 100% food independence by supporting their own farmers. What if they threaten sanctions against suppliers of equipment, raw materials, and food products. After the pandemic, is there also a famine?
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta April 11 2020 08: 27 New
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          Quote: knn54
          What if they threaten sanctions against suppliers of equipment, raw materials, and products. After the pandemic, is there also a famine?

          Colleague, the fact is that right now every day all the monstrous lies that the impressionable inhabitants were fed 20 years in a row, 24 hours a day, will be revealed.
          Life itself will open their eyes to the doverchevs, and they will be surprised to find that all the same, "the rabbit is naked" (quote).
        2. UserGun
          UserGun April 11 2020 13: 31 New
          10
          Quote: knn54
          Bought abroad, sold in Russia. Profit in your pocket.


          Well, here it’s not quite so))) You must share the profit with the government))) from 20 percent and even more. You forget that when EVERYONE !!! trade transaction, this mode has its share in your pocket. Otherwise, atat))) By the way, it is from here that goods in Russia are several times more expensive than where they were made. Russian business is simple and merciless.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 08 New
            -1
            Goods in Russia are many times more expensive - due to constant speculation on the example of the same original spare parts.
            1. UserGun
              UserGun April 12 2020 15: 16 New
              +3
              Once again I am convinced that you are a narrow-minded person. The message of my post is not at all in speculation, but in the fact that the current regime already has a lot out of nothing, FROM THE AIR, from EVERY trade operation, as well as other states, and at the same time does not give anything from there in return to citizens. Even now, when a fat fur-bearing animal has come, it seems like it's time to share the bins, which actually other states are doing, which are not as idiotic as this regime and do not send other states in three funny letters, in a "pathetic" frenzy, at every opportunity) ))) The beautiful story with the pagan Saudis showed it perfectly))) It showed how wretched the current regime is, for which many narrow-minded people pray.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 12 2020 18: 50 New
                -1
                A valve body with a mechatronics made in Germany costs 500 euros in Germany - in Russia it costs 2300 euros at the exchange rate - pure speculative price growth and so on everywhere and for everything. "A beautiful story with the nasty Saudis" - what do you mean from this story. Personally, from this story, I made excellent earnings for three weeks of playing on the stock exchange with bets on falling oil. I realized that Vasya had one problem with ryzhim - they don’t give money.
                1. ifdru74
                  ifdru74 April 12 2020 21: 32 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  A hydroblock with a mechatronics made in Germany in Germany costs 500 euros - in Russia it costs 2300 euros at the rate

                  You will not believe it, but all this is done in one snout! Just become the only importer. But in another way, snouts do not know how for obvious reasons. We will also hear a moan of snout, and we will see a ban on eBay and AliExpress.
                2. UserGun
                  UserGun April 13 2020 09: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  A hydroblock with a mechatronics made in Germany in Germany costs 500 euros - in Russia it costs 2300 euros at the rate


                  Mdya ... So buy in Germany, where they sell for 500, but not in Russia))) didn’t it occur to you ?! )))
            2. Alf
              Alf April 12 2020 17: 14 New
              +6
              Quote: Vadim237
              Goods in Russia are many times more expensive - due to constant speculation on the example of the same original spare parts.

              And who created such a system in which reselling is several times more profitable than creating?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 12 2020 18: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: Alf
                And who created such a system in which reselling is several times more profitable than creating?

                Stop composting Vadik’s brains. He is fine.
                1. Alf
                  Alf April 12 2020 18: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Alf
                  And who created such a system in which reselling is several times more profitable than creating?

                  Stop composting Vadik’s brains. He is fine.

                  I'm just curious. He has standard answers to all comments.
                  1. Who will buy?
                  2. Where to get the money?
                  3. Why do if you can buy?
                  Just after the question, you sit and wonder what blank will be answered. Tote.
                  P.S. Moreover, when you say how he found his market, he usually begins to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 12 2020 20: 18 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alf
                    P.S. Moreover, when you say how he found his market, he usually begins to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.

                    Vadim found a market on a frasing machine in his grandfather’s workshop.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 12 2020 18: 52 New
                0
                On resales, far from everything, you can earn on gear; you can use spare parts; on iron, you can do everything else less and less.
                1. UserGun
                  UserGun April 13 2020 09: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  On resales, far from everything, you can earn on gear; you can use spare parts; on iron, you can do everything else less and less.


                  Once again I am convinced how close you are))) You ask there how much they have from the resale of software? But they sell even completely free))) And even under the supervision of your favorite mode. The story with the "state" axles has not taught or shown anything yet ?! ))) This is already a classic, "oil painting")))
            3. UserGun
              UserGun April 13 2020 09: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              on the example of the same original spare parts.


              In fact, no one has canceled the guarantee, again the staff of servicemen. Piece goods as a bonus, to those close to you. That's why the value of the original spare parts rolls sky-high. No, well, you can hire Uncle Petya from a garage cooperative ...))) Why are you too shy)))
        3. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 01 New
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          Quote: knn54
          Bought abroad, sold in Russia. Profit in your pocket. And NO headache.

          This is a typical situation in a run-down economy
      3. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 11 2020 08: 30 New
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        Quote: marchcat
        It is clear that all "their Wishlist" have long since ended.
        Unfortunately, their personal Wishlist will never end, they will just row for themselves, so that the meaningless pile of dough on which they are sitting is higher than that of a neighbor
        1. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 02 New
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Unfortunately, their personal Wishlist will never end

          End when the power changes. When Soviet power comes in the country, we will immediately see the growth of the economy, the growth of industrial production, and the change in foreign policy.
      4. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 00 New
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        Quote: marchcat
        For five years, no one even bothered to start investing in their own economy.

        They do not believe in the capabilities of our industry. They are only interested in the oil and gas sector.
      5. Overlock
        Overlock April 11 2020 15: 14 New
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        Quote: marchcat
        For five years, no one even bothered to start investing in their own economy.

        so what do they hope for then? On the Russian "maybe"?
    2. Svarog
      Svarog April 11 2020 06: 17 New
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      Quote: Michael m
      What else can we expect from "our" "elite", which has almost all interests and property abroad?

      To wait for something from these, at least naively .. they decided to reset everything and everything ...
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 11 2020 07: 08 New
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        I don’t understand why the executive branch in the relevant ministries is afraid of subsidizing agriculture like fire?

        In Europe, subsidies and subsidies to farmers can amount to 90% or more.

        And we have a loan at crazy interest rates, which you need to immediately pay!

        Now they will open the door to import. And hello to the victories of the Russian agricultural sector!
        1. depressant
          depressant April 11 2020 08: 03 New
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          Ilya-spb, help to our agriculture was decided to be canceled in the interests of foreign sellers who are on the list of system-forming economic organizations of the Russian Federation, starting from number 510 to number 579. And also in the interests of those who are not listed in that shameful list, , and this is a huge list of networks. They have money for them, for their own agriculture - no. This approach of the president to the affairs of the country immediately became clear after he uttered a message to the Federal Assembly of January 15. Prior to this, foreign traders calculated losses for 2019, wept down (the population became impoverished!) And set out to close, leave. And this is a blow to the image of Russia as an attractive investment country. And then Putin throws money into the population (increase in capital, breakfast, various benefits, etc.) - to dramatically increase our purchasing power, so that only merchants do not leave. And you thought, out of paternal care for us? Moreover, import duties on foreign agricultural products are further reduced. As much as you want and what you want, bring so much. But much is being produced with us. Traders, having studied the psychology of the president, are completely insolent. The day before yesterday they threatened to raise prices by 20%, and yesterday - already by 50%. Our agricultural production will be quietly ditched. Because the president’s image is everything, his own agriculture is nothing. Like their own population.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta April 11 2020 08: 19 New
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            Quote: depressant
            Moreover, import duties on foreign agricultural products are further reduced. As much as you want and what you want, bring so much.

            Just recently, according to a zombie hunter, they were victoriously talking about tomatoes, apples, cheeses and other products crushed by tractors.
            Well, where are your countersanctions? Were you wrong again or did Parmesan get a stake in my throat?
          2. Chervonny
            Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 03 New
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            Quote: depressant
            Our agricultural production will be quietly ditched.

            Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Our agriculture is already ditched. Huge amounts of money are being piped for its restoration. But they will not allocate funds for its restoration, because they have other prerogatives, oil and gas.
            1. Aag
              Aag April 12 2020 15: 46 New
              +2
              "Our agriculture has already been ruined. Huge funds are being spent on its restoration."
              I’ll try to add. People are needed! Most competent people rushed to the cities. From hopelessness. Remaining ones try to feed their families. The advertised successful farms of the agricultural sector often target a specific, narrowly targeted segment (elite varieties of goat cheese, grape snails). Good, of course, but not so , which is necessary for most citizens. And, at affordable prices.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 11 2020 08: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I don’t understand why the executive branch in the relevant ministries is afraid of subsidizing agriculture like fire?

          In Europe, subsidies and subsidies to farmers can amount to 90% or more.

          And we have a loan at crazy interest rates, which you need to immediately pay!

          Now they will open the door to import. And hello to the victories of the Russian agricultural sector!

          Credit for agricultural (existing farms) 2%, subsidized
        3. Chervonny
          Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 02 New
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          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I don’t understand why the executive branch in the relevant ministries is afraid of subsidizing agriculture like fire?

          They are not profitable. The entire agro-industrial complex is completely destroyed. Return on investment now, will happen only in a few years. And they need income right now.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 15: 22 New
            -12
            The agro-industrial complex is completely destroyed, but Russia is the number one exporter of wheat. The wheat itself is growing, probably. With the scoop, the agro-industrial complex was undoubtedly powerful, although in grocery stores it was a kati ball, and wheat was purchased in Canada.
            1. basmach
              basmach April 11 2020 15: 30 New
              10
              They bought fodder, because there were 60 million cattle in the Union. And now -10 million. Etraz. And it was not in the Union in the grocery ball roll. No need to lie. In the 90s it was, but then there was no union. I remember the store 85goda. Yes, there was no sausage and meat at 2.50. . The market is full-pork for 5p, beef-6. Cheese, butter, cereals, pasta, fish (pollock fed cats, was considered cheap), canned food was everything.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 15: 38 New
                -6
                Yeah, as if I didn’t live in those days. The sausage nearest us was in Leningrad, 5 hours by train. Cheese and butter - in the same place. Apparently from a rich assortment of people from the Kalinin, Ryazan, Kaluga, Tula regions choked on sausage electric trains going to Moscow? You probably lived in Moscow?
                1. depressant
                  depressant April 11 2020 19: 14 New
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                  Colleagues, let's be clear about something. In the USSR, there were 25 collective and state farms. Until 900, agriculture was unprofitable (1983 collective farms). This was due to extremely low purchase prices. But the country, being immensely proud of itself, contained the "progressive" regimes of Asia, Latin America and the cannibalistic regimes of Africa, as well as the "fraternal" socialist camp with its inordinate appetite for gratis. It was a pity for its own to pay a good price for a product, and to waste money on other people's freeloaders is a matter of state prestige, or, as they say now, PR, which made it possible to compete with the capital camp in terms of the degree of influence in the world.
                  Until finally it became clear that this could not be further, otherwise the country would receive another Novocherkassk. And then, following the example of the cap. Camps, they increased purchase prices. Collective farms responded with a sharp increase in production, its profitability increased to 19%. Unprofitable remained 3400 households. Obviously, people in them disbelieved in the possibility of making good money, lost their incentive and skills of intensive, responsible work, could not break themselves.
                  Thus, there were products in the country! There were more than enough of them. Hunger in the late 80s and early 90s is artificial! I have read that even on uncooked smoked sausage, extremely short expiration dates were set, in fact, on everything, and, for example, lines of trucks stretched from Moscow to dumps near Moscow. Who from the nearest settlements knew this - they went and bought goods in full with first-class products. There, even crooks settled down with their own warehouses, they were selling goods to anyone with any assortment in any quantity for a small fee. Meanwhile, "sausage" electric trains stretched to the rapidly emptying stores in Moscow. As in Leningrad and other large Russian cities. Through hunger, the population had to be made docile in order to change the political system without resistance. Now someone can use the coronavirus as a pretext for self-isolation of citizens. The consequence is absenteeism, lack of money, hunger. Who benefits from?
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 April 11 2020 19: 35 New
                    +5
                    Quote: depressant
                    The consequence is failure to go to work, lack of money, hunger. Who benefits?

                    a slowdown in the economy, a decrease in energy consumption .... The Saudis are not a big guy .. nobody buys their oil. Maybe everyone benefits? and someone buys cheaper oil for expensive paper!
                    1. depressant
                      depressant April 11 2020 20: 20 New
                      +4
                      A colleague, I think that the misfortune that befell our country, and the coronavirus - misfortune, the president could skillfully take advantage of - quickly clean the ranks of the fraudulent fraternity surrounding him. Based on the results of work in an epidemic and based on preliminary circumstances that led to these results. And they would have nothing to cover.
                      Here, for example, Sobyanin-tiler-border operator. There sins - a full cart and a cart to catch up. Since 2014, he has "optimized" a huge number of hospitals and, most importantly, maternity hospitals in Moscow. Despite the fact that Moscow is the only region of the Russian plain that showed natural population growth over the past year, that is, due to the birth rate. Reduced infectious diseases! Massively! And now Moscow hospitals are already overcrowded with coronavirus and pneumonia. The remaining hospitals for more than 10 million Moscow are absolutely insufficient. Catastrophically insufficient. I just found a video at RBC - a traffic jam from ambulances stretched for more than a kilometer. Resuscitation systems with flashing lights, in violation of road rules, squeeze along the sides. The number of patients is growing rapidly, but this is not yet the peak, it will be in two weeks. There will be a peak, but there are no hospitals - Sobyanin optimization! But there are more than enough power ambitions. Yes there is a lot. And people like Sobyanin are surrounded by a crowd of Putin. Not abruptly, not with the whole crowd, albeit gradually, one by one, I would have removed them all equally within a few months. Based on the results of activities. Some are under investigation, some are sent to the provinces, but everyone is desirable under investigation. If the president does so, I personally will support. The country would have applauded him. But there is little hope. Even Article 20 of the UN Convention against Corruption and Illicit Enrichment has not been ratified by Russia since 2006.
                      1. Campanella
                        Campanella April 11 2020 21: 56 New
                        +7
                        About the president, don’t tell, he approved all these reforms, one might say blessed. And no control. Why did Stalin get into all the details and at all stages of fateful decisions. And this one is rubbing about the Pechenegs from the Polovtsy, and he’ll say we’ll win together. We are together? I don’t see that we are together. He allocated a billion for the prevention and treatment of coronovirus of his official idiots, and for the whole country 10 billion dal.
                  2. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 19: 40 New
                    -2
                    Sausage trains appeared long before the attempt to change the system: in the 70s, back in the Brezhnev times. My brother and I went to Leningrad to buy food for the whole family, being schoolchildren: there were 50% discounts on travel for schoolchildren and students. Nearby, in the regional center, a small meat processing plant worked, but its products were completely exported either to Moscow or to St. Petersburg and only occasionally "threw away" smoked pork ribs. I don’t think the deficit was an artificial phenomenon, it’s an organic flaw in the planned economy.
                2. basmach
                  basmach April 11 2020 22: 41 New
                  +2
                  I lived in Novomoskovsk, Tula region. Eve went to Moscow, yes, for sausage. Cheese (at least one grade) was a store, as was butter. From Moscow, the mother brought sausage (cooked), sausages, marshmallows, condensed milk. From 85 to 90 he studied at the Tamboska VVAIU. There, in a megazine, he was quietly buying ham sausage. So do not lie.
                3. LKW UE
                  LKW UE April 12 2020 09: 41 New
                  0
                  Yes, do not lie that everything was in the Union. Since 1985 years in Kiev empty shelves of supermarkets and grocery stores. Maybe in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Donetsk that was, but the rest of the country is in eternal queues and deficits. Everything went according to the goodness - furniture, appliances, cars ... A mass distortion of people's consciousness began, in order to live normally it was necessary to spin, bustle, give bribes, negotiate, and humiliate ourselves. Dad says that since 1988. many bosses already knew that the Union was living out its last years, consciously led the matter to collapse ...
                  1. Alf
                    Alf April 12 2020 17: 16 New
                    +3
                    Quote: LKW UE
                    Since 1985 of the year

                    And before the 85th?
              2. Elturisto
                Elturisto April 13 2020 15: 50 New
                -1
                what-what? What are these 10 million goals? Not well on paper, of course .... well, if 1,5 million.
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            3. ifdru74
              ifdru74 April 12 2020 21: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              and wheat was bought in Canada.

              The amendment, both then and now, in our country, hard wheat varieties grow poorly, so they were bought in the USA and Canada. And added to the bread. This is not required now. There is really no top grade flour in the country. And you better not know from what bread is baked at the bakeries, which are sold in former markets. Pizmen and nothing personal.
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 18 New
          -2
          This year, more than 325 billion rubles will be allocated in support of the agro-industrial complex and rural territories - which is not subsidizing you. And despite the crisis, no one will cut the budget. An article to cry Yaroslavna in the gardens of Semirovida, no one has accepted anything yet, but the author is doing badly.
          1. Campanella
            Campanella April 11 2020 21: 59 New
            +4
            Allocate to whom? For what? What time frame? All these are games without a systematic approach, simply squandering funds on their own.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 12 2020 19: 02 New
              -2
              To everyone, this year, and who are their own in this sector?
    3. basmach
      basmach April 11 2020 07: 08 New
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      Well, firstly, what kind of elite is it. The elite is the best. And if they are the elite, then we suck? Are we worse than them ?. No, we are better.
      Second. If this "elite" We are ruined, it must be changed, until it is ruined to the end.
      1. depressant
        depressant April 11 2020 08: 06 New
        +9
        Yes, it's time-- elite, leave the yard!
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 11 2020 08: 16 New
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        Quote: basmach
        Well, firstly, what kind of elite is it. The elite is the best.

        The elite is just an agricultural term for breeding cattle! In our case, we are dealing with cattle, but not large, so it cannot be attributed to the elite.
      3. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 03 New
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        Quote: basmach
        No, we are better.

        We are definitely better. But they consider us
        Quote: basmach
        sediment

        Quote: basmach
        need to change it

        It is necessary, and moreover, urgently!
    4. Mebius
      Mebius April 11 2020 13: 44 New
      -11
      Quote: Michael m
      What else can we expect from "our" "elite", which has almost all interests and property abroad?

      Well, not all .. Everything was with the seven-bankers in the 90s and where are they now? Remind me ..? The current ones deduce of course, but with an eye on it they are already silent ... But the main work is ahead! hi
      1. Alf
        Alf April 11 2020 17: 31 New
        +7
        Quote: Mobius
        Everything was with the seven-bankers in the 90s and where are they now? Remind me ..? The current ones deduce of course, but with an eye on it they are already silent ..

        And what's the difference for a country-Deripaska robs her or Khodorkovsky? The result is one.
        Quote: Mobius
        But the main work is ahead!

        Which one? Take out the leftovers?
        1. D16
          D16 April 12 2020 15: 30 New
          -3
          And what's the difference for a country-Deripaska robs her or Khodorkovsky?

          There is actually a difference. Khodor successfully snatched a piece with "well fluid", which was trying to shake off amers, and got burned on it. Subsequently, the former head of the CIA called the nationalization of Yukos the biggest expropriation of Jewish property since the Holocaust. How this property became Jewish he modestly kept silent lol ... This is indeed a robbery of the country in its most unclouded form. In the case of Deripaska, things are not so simple. Chel created TNK and its enterprises were engaged in production, paid salaries and taxes. What was he doing there with his dividends is his problem. Burned out on funding Trump's election and Anglo-Saxon "gratitude." Without the American market, the lumindia of his TNC fell like a house of cards and was squeezed out by force. In fact, nothing has changed from these shifting of shares in different pockets. Enterprises work, wages and taxes are paid.
          Which one? Take out the leftovers?

          Where to? wassat
          1. Alf
            Alf April 12 2020 17: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: D16
            Chel created TNCs

            Did he create it directly? Go grabbed what was built before him?
            Quote: D16
            What did he do there with his dividends is his problem.

            Ilya, where did the profits and dividends go in the USSR?
            1. D16
              D16 April 12 2020 18: 17 New
              0
              Did he create it directly? Go grabbed what was built before him?

              Unfortunately, our time is easier to make than to sell and organize. Why produce excess capacity if the existing ones satisfy all the needs?
              Ilya, where did the profits and dividends go in the USSR?

              In that which brought neither profit nor dividends. This is not always a bad thing. The issue of prioritization laughing I am for free education and medicine drinks .
              1. Alf
                Alf April 12 2020 18: 23 New
                +4
                Quote: D16
                I am for free education and medicine

                Me too, but where can I get money for them? Earlier it was the profit from the pipe that went to them, but now it goes into the pocket of "effective owners".
                Quote: D16
                Why produce excess capacity if the existing ones satisfy all the needs?

                Ilya, not for what you said, but where did he get the money for RUSAL? And remember the 90s and loans-for-shares auctions, only those who "are the leg of the one who SHOULD leg" participated there, and outsiders were not allowed there. The director of Gidroavtomatika "privatized" the plant for an amount of TWO VAZ-2109 VEHICLES. Do you think anyone else was allowed in there?
                1. D16
                  D16 April 12 2020 20: 35 New
                  -2
                  Earlier it was the profit from the pipe that went to them, but now it goes into the pocket of "effective owners".

                  Until recently, what is more than 40ka cu went to state. a little egg. I am not yet ready to believe that this is fiction.
                  The director of Gidroavtomatika "privatized" the plant for the amount of TWO VAZ-2109 VEHICLES. Do you think anyone else was allowed in there?

                  Maybe thank God that they did not let me go? laughing Type understood, in whose hands they give?
                  1. Alf
                    Alf April 12 2020 20: 55 New
                    +4
                    Quote: D16
                    Until recently, what is more than 40ka cu went to state. a little egg. I am not yet ready to believe that this is fiction.

                    Ilya, the normal economy feeds itself. I need a nest egg, I do not argue, but not at the expense of bleeding the economy. There is extra money, invest in your country and the crisis will not be so terrible.
                    Maybe thank God that they did not let me go?

                    This is not about what was not allowed, but about what was handed out to their own people for a penny. Give me the Russian millionaire oligarchs who created their own business from scratch. Do you remember the statement by Rockefeller - I'm ready to talk about the origin of all my millions, except for the first? Dig up any of our "socially responsible businessman" now, ask where he got the initial capital, they won't say, because they grabbed "for thanks." You can open a car service from scratch, but not a metallurgical plant.
                    Ilya, no one from our government so far has given a clear answer why the ruble was declared freely convertible. Only for the free export of capital, which happened.
                    1. D16
                      D16 April 12 2020 21: 20 New
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                      Ilya, the normal economy feeds itself.

                      Does America have a normal economy? Then why are they so anxious to sit on the oil and gas needle? They mine more than Saudi Arabia last month.
                      I need a nest egg, I do not argue, but not at the expense of bleeding the economy.

                      Remember how South Korea was fattened with the "Far Eastern tigers". laughing
                      They also considered themselves the kings of monetary policy. On this and burned. Yu.K. got a lesbian opposition president, merged all that she could to the Anglo-Saxons laughing .
                      There is extra money, invest in your country and the crisis will not be so terrible.

                      Then there will be no nest egg laughing . And a crisis without it is much worse than with a mega-bridge, an eastern spaceport or some other infrastructure project that has no chance of payback in the foreseeable future.
                      1. Alf
                        Alf April 12 2020 22: 34 New
                        +3
                        Quote: D16
                        Does America have a normal economy? Then why are they so anxious to sit on the oil and gas needle? They mine more than Saudi Arabia last month.

                        Do they sell it or do they consume it themselves?
                        Quote: D16
                        There is extra money, invest in your country and the crisis will not be so terrible.

                        Then there will be no nest egg. And a crisis without it is much worse than with a mega-bridge, an eastern spaceport or some other infrastructure project that has no chance of payback in the foreseeable future.

                        Ilya, can you imagine an economy in which the ruble is backed by gold and is not hard currency, that is, it does not depend on crises. When a country provides itself with most positions. And you can do without bananas.
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                      3. D16
                        D16 April 13 2020 21: 46 New
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                        Do they sell it or do they consume it themselves?

                        Since the 18th year, net exporters of oil and oil products.
                        Ilya, can you imagine an economy in which the ruble is backed by gold and is not hard currency, that is, it does not depend on crises.

                        Full author, a high fence and a moat with crocodiles around the perimeter? laughing Money does not leave borders, the central bank will set the price of gold and it will be the most expensive gold in the world. Remember how much a gram cost in the USSR lol and few will see him. Otherwise (an open economy and borders that are transparent to money), the Central Bank will have to monitor the correspondence of the money supply to the gold reserve, it will be possible to sell anything over the hill only for physical gold, because all other money is fiat. Nobody will buy anything from us, since few have real significant gold reserves. Again, the price of gold relative to other currencies is determined by several Anglo-Saxon banks and they will do everything to earn extra money for us.
                      4. Alf
                        Alf April 13 2020 21: 53 New
                        +1
                        Quote: D16
                        a moat with crocodiles around the perimeter?

                        It is possible with piranhas.
                        Quote: D16
                        the price of gold will be set by the central bank and it will be the most expensive gold in the world.

                        And you, as a citizen, what's the difference?
                        I somehow did not need gold in the USSR.
                        Quote: D16
                        you can sell anything over a hill only for physical gold,

                        But how was the deal with foreign trade in the USSR?
                      5. D16
                        D16 April 13 2020 22: 02 New
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                        And you, as a citizen, what's the difference?
                        I somehow did not need gold in the USSR.

                        But the citizens needed, and they didn’t go to jewelry stores.
                        But how was the deal with foreign trade in the USSR?

                        There was a foreign trade ruble for settlements with the CMEA countries. With a cap. NSAIDs were calculated in hard currency.
                      6. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2020 19: 22 New
                        +2
                        Quote: D16
                        But the citizens needed, and they didn’t go to jewelry stores.

                        Every day, like in a grocery store? You can dig it up.
                        Quote: D16
                        There was a foreign trade ruble for settlements with the CMEA countries. With a cap. NSAIDs were calculated in hard currency.

                        So what is it about. The state played beautifully at the cost of currency, and the country was not worse off from this.
                      7. D16
                        D16 April 14 2020 20: 17 New
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                        You can dig it up.

                        You can, of course, only the state prices of gold, cars, high-quality radio equipment, etc. plugged holes that arose as a result of planned management.
                        So what is it about. The state played beautifully at the cost of currency, and the country was not worse off from this.

                        Nonsense. How to play at the price of the currency earned by the sale of resources over a hill? Then, with the money in the west, they bought everything they needed. and exorbitantly sold to Soviet citizens wassat . I exaggerate, but not without it. Remember jeans for a monthly salary, tracksuits for two monthly salaries, audio cassettes of 9 rubles and. etc.
                        If you are talking about the foreign trade ruble, then it applied only to the CMEA countries and was a means to simplify offsets so as not to change machines for boots. NYP is an abstract thing.
          2. D16
            D16 April 12 2020 22: 34 New
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            It's not about what they didn’t let in, but about what they handed out to their people for a penny.

            It would be better to sell Ashot from the market. He has more money laughing . At that time, money did not really matter. They depreciated very quickly.
            Rockefeller statement — Am I ready to talk about the origin of all my millions, except the first?

            Do you propose to turn the chessboard over and again enter the water of the 90th year? winked
            Ilya, no one from our government so far has given a clear answer why the ruble was declared freely convertible. Only for the free export of capital, which happened.

            I will tell you a terrible secret, but the ruble has always been convertible. In the distant 88m, the dollar on the black market cost about three rubles. And the loot has always sought to leave for warm regions from here. Our country is a cemetery for money. Here, in general, the highest cost of living. It can be leveled by resources from the earth (agricultural and mineral resources, or high-tech industries). Maybe our grandfathers guessed it when they invested in Africa and other south?
            1. Alf
              Alf April 13 2020 18: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: D16
              Do you propose to turn the chessboard over and again enter the water of the 90th year?

              And what do you suggest ? Give an opportunity to continue to rob and destroy the country?
            2. D16
              D16 April 13 2020 20: 42 New
              0
              I propose to place emphasis on current violations, rather than gutting cabinets with skeletons of 30 years ago. And if Deripaska really has something to present, then they would have presented for a long time. Too tasty piece was in his hands. Charges of selling and destroying the homeland will not work in court. They like names and numbers.
            3. Alf
              Alf April 13 2020 20: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: D16
              And if Deripaska really has something to present, then they would have presented for a long time.

              "Who are the judges?" Abramovich has already complained to His Serene Highness how the red governor offended him and made him pay all the taxes. The result? A commission from Moscow immediately rushed in and the governor flew out to retire.
            4. D16
              D16 April 13 2020 20: 58 New
              0
              Are you sure that this is not the result of a free interpretation of events, but everything was so? I am almost sure that the "red governor" made a pretty mess himself.
            5. Alf
              Alf April 14 2020 19: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: D16
              I am almost sure that the "red governor" made a pretty mess himself.

              Of course, Levchenko was cheating. But as a result of his machinations, the regional budget grew from 30 to 110 billion. Did he get these 80 billion out of his pocket? On the First Channel it was stated that he simply forced to curtail the activities of "black loggers". Ilya, I dare to assure you that Channel One is not at all an opposition channel, but quite the opposite. If THIS channel said that ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 20 New
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    Judging because it became with this seven-bankers - they didn’t withdraw anything from Russia in the 90s, they quickly ended.
  • Chervonny
    Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 00 New
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    Quote: Mikhail M
    What else can we expect from "our" "elite", which has almost all interests and property abroad?

    Probably the deterioration of the economic situation in the country ...
  • DMB 75
    DMB 75 April 11 2020 05: 43 New
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    We love to hack, prohibit from the shoulder, so do not let anyone go, allow, so take a walk, province. Zeroing the rates of import customs duties is advisable for those positions where Russia remains dependent on imports. For positions that are sensitive to the exchange rate and not are made in Russia, it would be right to zero customs duties in order to restrain price increases. For example, these are baby food, veterinary products, breeding material, equipment, packaging, spare parts for imported equipment, etc. .. And here are our meat producers, fish and oh There are doubts about the appropriateness of the measures proposed by the Ministry of Agriculture. The introduction of a temporary zero customs duty rate will not support consumer demand and will not lead to lower consumer prices for fish and fish products, but will create preferences for importers who already have them, the National Meat Association ( we fully provide ourselves with poultry and pork meat) stands for the abolition of tariff preferences when importing meat to Russia, for example, beef, which Latin American countries import at a reduced rate am.Zdes necessary to measure seven times before decisions are made ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 11 2020 06: 58 New
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      But is it not better to make conferences to the manufacturers of technological equipment?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 11 2020 09: 01 New
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        Quote: 210ox
        But is it not better to make conferences to the manufacturers of technological equipment?

        That might work. The problem is that in the Russian Federation, nail and nut are considered technological equipment. Now, if IT is also subsidized, it will be very interesting.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 April 11 2020 07: 03 New
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      I agree with you. As well as with this:
      . in the Fruit and Vegetable Union of the Russian Federation consider it possible to consider temporary zeroing of duties not on finished products of the industry, but on material and technical resources

      It is necessary to introduce duties on products, and not on high-tech means of production.
    3. novobranets
      novobranets April 11 2020 07: 27 New
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      Quote: DMB 75
      advocates the abolition of tariff preferences for the import of meat into Russia, for example beef, which Latin American countries import at reduced duties.

      I bought this beef several times, from Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina, I will not take it anymore. As you do not cook it, it does not lend itself to human teeth, only for stuffing. I take only made in Russia or Kazakhstan.
      The epidemic revealed yet another unpleasant moment, Russia produces drugs on an imported basis, purchased mainly in India and China. Although this has already been mentioned more than once, it can produce them from its own raw materials. It turns out that Russian pharmacology is also very vulnerable. Let’s see if the government will draw conclusions.
      1. kjhg
        kjhg April 11 2020 08: 07 New
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        Quote: novobranets
        The epidemic revealed yet another unpleasant moment, Russia produces drugs on an imported basis, purchased mainly in India and China.

        Has the epidemic revealed? belay Yes, about this 20 years, and our doctors, and pharmacologists, and scientists trumpet from all the pipes. And the cart, at best, and now there, and at worst, also rolled back.
        Quote: novobranets
        It turns out that Russian pharmacology is also very vulnerable.

        She is not vulnerable. She is helpless if you call a spade a spade.
        Quote: novobranets
        Let’s see if the government will draw conclusions.

        20 years already, how many more will we be?
      2. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 05 New
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        Quote: novobranets
        It turns out that Russian pharmacology is also very vulnerable

        In our industry at the moment, all industries are defenseless against external threats.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets April 11 2020 17: 19 New
          +2
          Alas, this is so. The vicious system "it's cheaper for us to buy than to make ourselves" has yielded results. Not only did the country become import-dependent, production was destroyed, and some technologies were lost. Now recovery will require significant finances, and most importantly, time. Well, thank God, they have undertaken to restore something, and this gives at least some hope for the future.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 11 2020 17: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: novobranets
            they undertook to restore something,

            What exactly ?
            1. novobranets
              novobranets April 11 2020 17: 55 New
              +1
              For example, agriculture, engine building, as a medical equipment engineer, I can say that a lot of Russian equipment has appeared that had not been produced before. Yes, but what about the Russian Elbrus?
              1. Alf
                Alf April 11 2020 18: 29 New
                +4
                Quote: novobranets
                For example, agriculture,

                About him in the article above.
                Famous Astrakhan watermelons. Seeds are imported. Although, yes, they grow with us.
                Quote: novobranets
                engine building

                For example ?
                Quote: novobranets
                A lot of Russian equipment appeared, which was not previously produced.

                First we’ll clarify. Is this equipment FULLY DONE with us or ASSEMBLED?
                Quote: novobranets
                Yes, but what about the Russian Elbrus?

                Counter-question, where is it geographically produced? In Zelenograd or Taiwan?
                1. novobranets
                  novobranets April 11 2020 18: 48 New
                  +3
                  Watermelons are not all agriculture, many different crops of Soviet and Russian origin are grown, I will not undertake to list everything, plus raised livestock farms, which used to be difficult to break into the market. Engines, for example, VK-2500 for most of the machines of Kamov Design Bureau and Moscow Plant. Mile. I can say for medical equipment for sure, since I saw it from the inside, it is completely Russian. Elbrus, I hope so far, is being produced in Taiwan, there is nothing to say but regrets. But one thing is that he is already a Russian-developed something.
                  I forgot, for medical equipment, on some UPS devices Chinese, which is a sin, consumer goods, costs a penny. Establishing your production when needed is not a problem.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf April 11 2020 19: 01 New
                    +6
                    Quote: novobranets
                    Elbrus, I hope so far, is being produced in Taiwan, there is nothing to say but regrets. But one thing is that he is already a Russian-developed something.

                    The fact that Elbrus is ours is wonderful. But here's where it is produced - a crime of power. To create problems at the factory now for Putin's "partners" -not do FIG.
                    Quote: novobranets
                    many different cultures of Soviet and Russian origin are grown,

                    And this is wonderful, but how can it be connected with Monsanto’s admission to Russia?
                    Quote: novobranets
                    I can say for medical equipment for sure, since I saw it from the inside, it is completely Russian.

                    And how did you determine that it is Russian? According to the nameplates on the details? So this is not an indicator. Samsung and LG televisions also have a Made in Russia plate, but in fact they are only assembled from Korean parts.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 30 New
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            What kind of technology have you lost - list them?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 29 New
          -3
          You are not talking about all sectors - since you have nothing to do with all sectors, now the production of foreign brands on the territory of Russia is localized across all products and since we have never had competitive products in the civilian sector, there has been nothing shameful since the USSR start creating and releasing it in cooperation with foreign companies.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 11 2020 21: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            there is nothing wrong with starting to create and release it in cooperation with foreign companies.

            But the damned Bolsheviks did a little differently, did not create a joint venture, but bought a license.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 12 2020 19: 06 New
              0
              "But the damned Bolsheviks did a little differently, they did not create a joint venture, but bought a license." Iii What ultimately led - We have never had a competitive product in the civilian sector, since the days of the USSR. Since a license can be sold to you for outdated products both physically and mentally.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 12 2020 20: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                We have never had a competitive product in the civilian sector since the days of the USSR.

                Stop talking nonsense, Vadim. Open the reference book "Foreign Trade of the USSR", for any year, and study.
      3. Alf
        Alf April 11 2020 17: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: novobranets
        Let’s see if the government will draw conclusions.

        Will do. All drugs on a foreign basis will receive Russian names and double prices.
    4. depressant
      depressant April 11 2020 08: 52 New
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      DMB 75, why didn’t you mention the seeds? Here Matvienko heard that we have ruined seed production and therefore all seeds are borderline, purchased, even flower seeds, and erupted in an angry speech about this. And you are so calmly saying that, they say, you bought and you need to buy breeding material. Together with the absence of their own pedigree farms, the absence of seed-growing firms, stations, institutes, and serious science makes our country dependent on the West for food products - eternal. Now I would throw all my strength into rebirth - the rebirth of the ruined! - seed production and pedigree farms, but money has been thrown to support foreign retailers who prefer their usual import. You will say that it is necessary in these extreme conditions. And when were they not extreme?
      And baby food ... Generally prohibitive!
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 11 2020 05: 44 New
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    On the issue of import substitution. In Soviet times, in the Murmansk region, milk yield among young cows was one of the highest in the country. And this is in the North. You come to the store with a 3-liter can, and you get a natural product, not a substance in a tetrapack, the shelf life of which can be six months.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 11 2020 06: 20 New
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      Quote: bandabas
      In Soviet times, in the Murmansk region, milk yield of cows was one of the highest in the country.

      Soviet time needs to be returned .. and the faster, the better otherwise we ourselves will be reset to zero ..
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 11 2020 09: 03 New
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        Quote: Svarog

        Soviet time needs to be returned .. and the faster, the better otherwise we ourselves will be reset to zero ..

        We’ll fall apart very quickly. Better Norwegian model.
        1. tatra
          tatra April 11 2020 09: 11 New
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          Contrary to the anti-Soviet ravings, neither countries "by themselves" are falling apart, nor are socio-economic systems "by themselves" changing. All this is done by PEOPLE.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 11 2020 09: 22 New
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            Quote: tatra
            Contrary to the anti-Soviet ravings, neither countries "by themselves" are falling apart, nor are socio-economic systems "by themselves" changing. All this is done by PEOPLE.

            We all remember the collapse of the Union, life under the Union, so nonsense about the "new man", whose goal will be to restore special distribution for the functionaries of the Communist Party with an equal distribution of poverty to the rest of the population, leave it to yourself laughing
            1. tatra
              tatra April 11 2020 09: 30 New
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              Your answer to me has nothing to do with either your answer "We'll fall apart very quickly" or my answer to you. This is just an eternal maniacal passion for stupid, senseless criticism of the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 11 2020 10: 10 New
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                laughing
                Demagogy.
                1) Has
                2) Does the case have anything to say?
                3) The deeds and grandchildren of the apparatchiks of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union moved from the Black Volga to Maybakhi, from special clinics for the communist elite, served by Soviet doctors who were always lagging behind advanced treatment methods, moved to Germany’s Sharit and Tel Aviv Assuta, ruining the country serving their whims. Nevertheless, people have the opportunity to earn a decent living and choose their own way of life - do you want to deprive them of this for the sake of providing Dolce Vita to new communist elites who have no virtues other than a loud throat screaming populist slogans? )))
                1. tatra
                  tatra April 11 2020 10: 24 New
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                  Do not cowardly "switch the arrows". You replied to the comment that it is necessary to return the Soviet with the words "We will fall apart very quickly," But you cannot prove how this will happen without the participation of people, and you began to cowardly get out of the favorite criticism of all enemies of the Soviet.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 11 2020 13: 02 New
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                    Quote: tatra
                    Do not cowardly "switch the arrows". You replied to the comment that it is necessary to return the Soviet with the words "We will fall apart very quickly," But you cannot prove how this will happen without the participation of people, and you began to cowardly get out of the favorite criticism of all enemies of the Soviet.

                    Again demagogy with zero specifics, as the Communists love lol
                    As for the participation of people - so the state does not exist without them)).
                    Now my scenario of collapse in the event of a return to the Union:
                    1) Nationalization of all non-mining enterprises
                    2) Nationalization and association by branches of private enterprises
                    3) Nationalization and association of airlines
                    4) The ban on the withdrawal of money abroad
                    5) Restrictions on going abroad
                    6) Restriction of social networks and the Internet
                    7) A split in society
                    8) Repression
                    9) Fall in living standards after another fall in oil prices
                    10) The appearance of a deficit
                    11) An attempt to borrow money in foreign markets under the guarantee of the USA / China
                    12) Concessions, incl. territorial to China
                    13) Relief in the internal control of the company as a US service for guarantees
                    14) Growth of discontent of the population
                    15) The growing discontent of the national suburbs - why should we feed the Russians
                    16) The coming to power of new party members - och hungry on Dolce Vita
                    17) An agreement between them and the leadership of the Communist Party in Tatarstan
                    18) Branch of Tatarstan - privatization under relatives of the Tatra Communists
                    19) Icing of Yakutia - everything is similar
                    20) New Belovezhskaya Pushcha with the rest
                    21) The result - in a greatly truncated Russia, privatization of the united air monopolies is underway, the oil industry and gas are divided into companies by agreement between the former communists in power)).
                2. Hypatius
                  Hypatius April 11 2020 11: 16 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  laughing
                  Demagogy.
                  1) Has
                  2) Does the case have anything to say?
                  3) The deeds and grandchildren of the apparatchiks of the Central Committee of the CPSU moved from the black Volga to Maybachi, from the special clinic for the communist elite ...

                  Apparently tatra is at a loss with an answer, let me then wedge in with the answer to your questions. Although, perhaps my understanding of Soviet power, she will not like it. 1. Soviet power, this democracy without property and party qualifications, carried out through the Councils of citizens (this is not democracy!). Where, all citizens are equal (if possible to participate in management, whoever wants to) and are equal owners of the state. Profit and nishtyaki from the state receive conditionally the same as at a meeting of equal shareholders. 2. Based on paragraph 1, corruption, estate, theft to a minimum, the stability of management, justice to a maximum. 3. The power of the Communists (CPSU, EdRo) is an enemy of the power of the Soviets. De facto this is the establishment of a second, upper class of privileged owners of the state, although de jure there was one class - Soviet people. Now this class is even clearer, and the state is all step-by-step. 4. And full sedition :). Soviet power does not mean the abolition of private property, and socialism! Here it is up to everyone, not commies, edro, guber, and so on. At least in each province in its own way. The main thing, IMHO, is the abolition of parasitism on money. How, under Stalin, you want to exchange for gold, you want to put it in the bedside table, where they will go up in price with the growth of production forces and cheaper products. PS Maybe somewhere messy, out loud formulate for the first time.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 11 2020 12: 42 New
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                    So, in principle, all of the above democracy is)).
                    1. Hypatius
                      Hypatius April 12 2020 08: 17 New
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                      So, in principle, all of the above democracy is)).
                      I am confused by the very term "demo-cration". Especially in such phrases as "The authorities of the democratic republic of the Russian Federation, calls on the people to come to plebes-cit". Demos and plebos are different classes with different rights. The plebs (individual) has the right to life, but not property (and hence a share from the state. "The state owes you nothing!" ©). The vote of the entire plebs is equal to the vote of 1 citizen. In fact, we are now observing this in Russia: the people are shish (maximum a handout for your own taxes), everything to friends. And the Soviets, as it were, assume one class - the Soviet man. (Although a rare lawyer knows the difference between a person and a citizen. But this is so, by the way).
                      PS At work, the phone is prohibited, the answers are delayed.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 12 2020 08: 20 New
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                        But what's the difference, what should I call it - democracy, power of the Soviets or democracy? )) One meaning
                      2. Hypatius
                        Hypatius April 12 2020 08: 47 New
                        +1
                        We, ordinary people, can and invest the same meaning in different terms. But Yurists put different, often opposite, meaning. And on this they breed us like rams and rob us. A good example, when we are told "a subject of the federation", the majority represents a territory or region. But a vegetable garden, house, territory, region are OBJECTS! Don't you believe?, Then see the dictionaries. And the subject is a person, the governor, or a legal entity (not a state structure!) "Government of the N province" with a director-governor. I advise you to think about the terms, so as not to be deceived by all crooks.
              2. Revival
                Revival April 11 2020 16: 21 New
                +4
                "Nevertheless, people have the opportunity to earn decent living and choose their own way of life."
                How many people?
                The state is determined by its attitude to the overwhelming majority, and the opportunity to earn money appeared in the fall of a small part.
                I’m trying it myself, but now the state itself has reset me to work, just banning me. What do you think the victory is contrary to the entire state machine?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar April 11 2020 21: 05 New
                  -4
                  Of course, win - because you are trying. As for the majority, I agree - there is a lot of room for corrections and improvements, but why go the wrong way, when there are examples of Germany, Sweden, and Norway - capstranges with excellent social rates and salaries.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 33 New
            -4
            She has schizophrenia - don't bother her.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 11 2020 21: 35 New
              0
              That no - more like propaganda
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 14: 42 New
          -1
          Of course, people are tired of the Soviet economic system. The main reason for the fall of the USSR is the inability of the Soviet economy to provide the population with basic goods. Plus, the leading and guiding role of the CPES in the collapse of the country.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 12 2020 19: 14 New
            -1
            It’s just that the leadership of the USSR, through its activities, brought the economy to a standstill because putting half of the world on the neck together with its republican Wishkins and a bloating military-industrial complex - but at the same time conducting minimal trade with the rest half of the world while spending more and more currency on the purchase of foreign products - bankruptcy inevitably happened in the 80s.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas April 11 2020 14: 12 New
        +1
        Taxes are not our friends.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 11 2020 14: 30 New
          +1
          I’m talking about their highest living standard in the world, obtained at the expense of public state distribution of funds for the needs of the country. They are friends, enemies, lovers - no difference
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 14: 36 New
          -1
          Not friends. But a good example to follow.
  • Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb April 11 2020 07: 10 New
    12
    It's true. And not only in the Soviet. In the Murmansk region the first to receive milk yield of 10. As in Israel.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 47 New
      -1
      And then in the USSR with SH, something happened to provide themselves with grain since the end of the 50s, and then the Ryazan guys, in the heat of the Khrushchevs "Let's catch up and overtake the west," cut them to zero, and even bought them from neighboring regions and used them for meat. , but their promised plan to increase the production of meat for slaughter by three times, so they didn’t only fill up the entire cattle.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 11 2020 06: 44 New
    16
    Import substitution in a crisis: cancel and reset?

    On a scientific treatise - "does not pull." In terms of information - few numbers and comparisons.
    For a long time, smart and competent people with access to the media and the right to broadcast to the whole country have said that Russia's import substitution policy should be as follows:
    All that a country cannot receive a priori must have the right to import. But what the country simply refused to access to foreign currency funds, it is necessary to restore, develop, and provide financial support to people working in these sectors.
    I remember the times when domestic goods of good quality competed with foreign ones in terms of price. And my radio:

    Served honestly for 8 years.
    But today even the once-famous brands in the country cannot be compared in quality with the most primitive foreign counterparts. And all this crap about import substitution is easily digested under:

    I wake up from a hangover
    There’s no money.
    The liver has fallen off
    My throat is dry
    There's nothing to hangover
    The documents were stolen,
    Eye swam
    Jacket in the dust
    There are pants under the bed.
    What have we been brought to
    Communists - ****!
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 10: 23 New
      -11
      Neighing. Especially over the radio. It was exactly the same. She was exactly 2 times heavier than Sonya and ate batteries also 2 times faster. Sonya is still tweeting. And Vega has long been in the trash.
      1. malyvalv
        malyvalv April 11 2020 12: 56 New
        10
        And in Soviet times, we conducted comparative tests (blind auditions) between Olympus 005 and Akay (the best reels were considered). And Olympus won for 90% of the participants. Although many also tried to laugh.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 12 2020 20: 42 New
        0
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        She was exactly 2 times heavier than Sonya and ate batteries also 2 times faster. Sonya is still tweeting. And Vega has long been in the trash.

        Rye on. The other day I was picking with Technics. There are kaput pressure rollers. Fitted from Elegia, the 87th year of release. I started it somehow. The Japanese people could envy us with LMP.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. April 12 2020 21: 13 New
          -2
          Whose crunch chewed the tape? And which cassettes torn heads like an emery: MK-60 or imported?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 13 2020 00: 03 New
            0
            That's just Technics from Panasonic chews current and so. Cassette 8 chewed before I got it, that something was wrong with him. And you can’t set it up in any way, the winding is atrocious there, but there are no tuning resistors. Chews, scum, at least TDK, at least BASF. He drove the video from the Elegia in 1987, stopped chewing .. So then. In general, they gave me Panasonic back in the 80s, so after two weeks of operation the gear burst.
  • itarnmag
    itarnmag April 11 2020 07: 15 New
    +3
    The law of nature - there is nothing more permanent than temporary
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 11 2020 07: 31 New
    +6
    According to A. Belov, which is shared by many farmers whose goods must be duty-free, for example, should be “equipment of this sub-sector and spare parts for it, packaging materials, veterinary preparations, pedigree cattle, genetic material and much more”
    ...Those. then we don’t produce or we produce very little ... At the expense of pedigree cattle ... It becomes clear why sausages are mainly from poultry and why butter is divided into 2 grades of 72% and 82% fat, the first almost not from milk, the second almost from milk .. smile
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 April 11 2020 07: 32 New
    +9
    When your mechanical engineering in the pen ... it’s easier to buy a foreign one! This is no longer simplicity ...
    Reports on the HUGE successes of our agricultural producers ... and how is all this provided ???
    Hedgehog it’s clear that BUYING is much more than puzzling over the production of its equipment ... let employment be better in other countries ... do we care?
    1. AUL
      AUL April 11 2020 08: 13 New
      16
      Because the government is ruled by a huckster lobby that has flourished since the 90s. They do not know how to create anything, only "buy and sell". They cannot create a production base in the country. And they don't want to "ruin the trade"!
      1. bandabas
        bandabas April 11 2020 09: 09 New
        12
        You're right. So these "gentlemen-Komsomol members" still manage to cut the branch on which they sit.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 11 2020 10: 20 New
        -11
        You wanted to say: the lobby of the retired communists?
      3. Chervonny
        Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 06 New
        19
        Quote: AUL
        They do not know how to create anything, only "buy and sell"

        This is all the logic of a speculative run-of-the-mill system.
    2. LKW UE
      LKW UE April 12 2020 14: 45 New
      -1
      By the way, in Germany, driving along the autobahn I could not believe my eyes when I saw the site with the exhibition of Rostselmash combines !!! And where - in the country of John Dirov, Claas, Dominators !!!
  • tatra
    tatra April 11 2020 07: 37 New
    14
    In general, capitalism has once again proved its monstrous inefficiency, loss-making for the country and people. Not only does the huge money go into the bottomless pockets of capitalists that under socialism they spent on developing, maintaining the country, on the great social benefits of the people, but in order for capitalism to work at least a little, the State should also help the capitalists, subsidize them, and give orders.
    Therefore, those who imposed capitalism on Russia are so fond of discussing the results of socialism in the USSR, and so they do not like to discuss the results of capitalism in post-Soviet Russia, they cowardly dump the responsibility for them on the Soviet Communists, on each other, on the West.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 15 New
      20
      Quote: tatra
      capitalism once again proved its monstrous inefficiency

      Exactly what once again. Although 150 years ago, they talked about this.
      How can one not recall the words of the Great Lenin:
      For old capitalism, with complete domination of free competition, the export of goods was typical. For modern capitalism, with the dominance of monopolies, the export of capital has become typical.

      Capitalism from progressive has become reactionary, it has developed production forces so much that humanity either has to switch to socialism, or for years or even decades to survive the armed struggle of the "great" powers for the artificial preservation of capitalism through colonies, monopolies, privileges and national oppressions of all kinds.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 11 2020 14: 35 New
      0
      Quote: tatra

      Therefore, those who imposed capitalism on Russia are so fond of discussing the results of socialism in the USSR, and so they do not like to discuss the results of capitalism in post-Soviet Russia, they cowardly dump the responsibility for them on the Soviet Communists, on each other, on the West.

      And on whom the collapse of the country, if not the Soviet Communists? )))
    3. Sergey49
      Sergey49 April 12 2020 23: 08 New
      -2
      In fairness, capitalism is not to blame for inefficiency, but the former communists and Komsomol members who rule the country repainted as democrats in the 90s. There will be no sense from scoops in any system. Without lustration of the communists and a ban on the communist ideology in Russia, there will be neither capitalism nor democracy. Feudalism only.
      .
    4. bandabas
      bandabas April 13 2020 08: 59 New
      +1
      Well, capitalism is a parasitic thing for three centuries. And, ours, created from "pseudo-Komsomol members" is a mutation. And, these mutants are trying to control us.
  • Gennady Korsunov
    Gennady Korsunov April 11 2020 09: 18 New
    11
    The time has come not to expect from the so-called elite .. And to drive it into three necks!
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 07 New
      18
      Quote: Gennady Korsunov
      The time has come not to expect from the so-called elite

      Does anyone else expect anything from her?
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 11 2020 15: 18 New
      +8
      Quote: Gennady Korsunov
      And drive her into three necks!

      first - the expropriation of expropriators
  • savment
    savment April 11 2020 09: 34 New
    +8
    There is no money for the development and production of their equipment, but the Olympics were banned, World Cup. We showed how cool we are .... Yes it’s called ponty pound. Who will remember about this over the hill. Money down the drain. No, to build a couple of factories for the production of machine tools at least, but why, it’s better to let the money go. Already got it all.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 07 New
      19
      Quote: savment
      There is no money for the development and production of their equipment

      There is money. There is no money, for some reason, specifically for the development of our industry and agriculture.
  • Azis
    Azis April 11 2020 09: 48 New
    +5
    The Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation proposed temporarily (until the end of September) to reset duties on the import of agricultural products, raw materials and prepared food to Russia.
    This has already been reset to zero - Decision of the EEC Council dated April 3, 2020 N 33 "On Amending Certain Decisions of the Customs Union Commission and on Approving the List critical import goods" - on potatoes, onions, garlic, carrots, buckwheat, cabbage, carrots, rice, baby food... Some agricultural producers are adding oil to the fire that burns "import substitution", complaining about the absence of traditional Central Asian workers due to the pandemic, which will lead to a multiple rise in the price of products.
  • Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 11 2020 10: 11 New
    +6
    What stable solvent demand can we talk about with meager pensions and salaries.
  • edasko
    edasko April 11 2020 10: 46 New
    +1
    https://youtu.be/OW9UyDnoUlI?list=PLqskPOmgmpn-ifwDxcF1RAryqMyBlwCGI
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 11 2020 10: 55 New
    +1
    The prime minister announced a 30-fold increase in the production of medical equipment, including ventilators, may shift ... and they will remember the production of production lines for the food industry and agriculture.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 54 New
      +1
      In the end, it all comes down to one word of the client - that he wants something and he wakes up to buy; he wants to buy a domestic one; he wants to buy a foreign one.
  • AA17
    AA17 April 11 2020 11: 02 New
    +3
    "... The Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation came up with a proposal to temporarily (until the end of September) zero duties on the import of agricultural products, raw materials and finished food into Russia. ..." - this phrase shows Russia's vulnerability in providing food to its own population. Uninterrupted food supply to the population is the most important component of the country's economic security. "... In macroeconomics, economic security is such a state, or the level of development of the means of production in a country, in which the process of sustainable economic development and socio-economic stability of society is ensured, practically, regardless of the presence and action of external factors ...." the phrase: "zero duties on the import of agricultural products, raw materials and finished food" - there are big problems that have not been solved for years: the lack of a base for the production of means of production for agriculture, the lack of organizations engaged in breeding in various agricultural sectors - all these problems did not arise today.
    There is an interesting interview with Vasily Melnichenko (I recommend watching or reading): "... - As the saying goes, our prime minister (meaning Mishustin - AA17) neither to the village nor to the city. What can he have to do with agriculture, if never anything Didn't understand and did not know about the village? However, like the entire current Ministry of Agriculture, where there is not a single specialized specialist, starting with Minister Patrushev himself. There is nothing that would speak of a turn of the agrarian-industrial policy towards development. There is not even a declaration action ... ". http://www.19rus.info/index.php/ekonomika-i-finansy/item/121599-neprofilnye-ministry-mina-pod-ekonomiku-sirany
    P.S. From all this information, we can conclude: the Russian government for more than 20 years did not cope with its direct responsibilities - did not fully ensure "... the economic security of Russia as protection of the vital interests of all residents of the country, Russian society as a whole and the state in the economic sphere from internal and external threats ... "
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 11 New
      16
      Quote: AA17
      Uninterrupted food supply to the population is an essential component of the country's economic security.

      All this is correct. But, I repeat, for them an important and main sector of the economy is the oil and gas.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 11 2020 21: 57 New
        0
        The oil and gas sector of the economy occupies 19% of Russia's GDP.
  • marshes
    marshes April 11 2020 11: 11 New
    +2
    I do not think that after the zeroing of duties by flows, agricultural products will flood into Russia.
    All countries began to create barriers so that there would be no overflow of products. Romania, for example, is for grain.
    It is unlikely that they will be brought from Kazakhstan or even a special quota from the government, and the export of socially significant goods is prohibited.
    Although recently a plane with humanitarian aid flew from the UAE, they took 10 tons of mutton and 12 tons of beef to the return line, strange help.
    The other day I heard a loud sound from the airport, so it was the Antonov design bureau An-124 that took off, immediately onto the flight radar, the route where, unknown to Shymkent, "brought" then tired.
    Do not count on Uzbekistan, the other day a cyclone covered them with us with snow and frost.
    So count on your strength.
    PYSYA, not long ago Israeli transport workers were in Turkey, they say they are behind the SIZ and flew in with masks, the 9th channel of Israel.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly April 11 2020 12: 13 New
    +3
    But we make rockets, and also in the field of ballet we are ahead ...... Nothing changes in the field and pace of development of processing technologies .....
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 08 New
      15
      Quote: AlexFly
      But we make rockets

      And it is very healthy and right!
    2. Revival
      Revival April 11 2020 17: 49 New
      +1
      It’s not very good with missiles either, several missiles were taken back from Baikonur to Khrunichev, marriage
  • wellaut
    wellaut April 11 2020 12: 30 New
    +5
    Managed with import substitution.
    1. Chervonny
      Chervonny April 11 2020 14: 09 New
      18
      Quote: wellaut
      Managed with import substitution.

      But there were too many pathos about the introduction of import substitution. And now we are reaping the benefits ...
    2. Revival
      Revival April 11 2020 17: 49 New
      +1
      Nullified as in everything else: helping people especially
      # helpless and useless
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 11 2020 16: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: Malyuta
    every day the whole monstrous lie will be revealed, which the impressionable inhabitants were fed 20 years in a row, 24 hours a day.

    good I agree. But all my arguments stumble upon - "and who then", "but there is no war" and remember the 90s when the pension was not paid. hi
    1. Revival
      Revival April 11 2020 17: 51 New
      +1
      And if they can’t be compared with a full piece of g .... they won’t see success either, that’s why they repel from the bottom with pride, and if you compare it with anything else, then the level of breakthroughs will bashfully lower than the baseboard in a public toilet
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 11 2020 22: 02 New
        0
        No one except you is to blame for the fact that you have built your life like that - that's why you have nothing to boast about except for rusting pipe breaks.
  • Sunstorm
    Sunstorm April 11 2020 17: 27 New
    +2
    Do not prepare for a possible famine - bad. Getting ready for a possible hunger is bad. Thanks myself I would never have guessed!
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 11 2020 19: 20 New
    +2
    What does it mean to cancel / nullify?! ..
    I will abolish you, and abrogate. Parasites ...
    Maybe we’ll deal in the end, after all ?!
    Everyone is obliged to take up their direct job duties at their workplace. Moreover, do not drink tea and coffee, and talk with girls on the topics of the coronavirus, namely, engage in their direct duties - to supply the plant with components, delivery of materials, etc. etc.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 11 2020 22: 05 New
      0
      Well, so do the repair and construction of ships. And if they want to abolish the duties on seeds, it’s also good - it means they’ll plant more, this year the demand for food in the world will be substantial.
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter April 11 2020 22: 38 New
        +3
        Good when good.
        Engage in sowing. Where am I against?!.
        I'm all for it!
        In general, to be honest, I’m drowning for the workers, and not for the village.
        Since the proletariat is closer to me. By class
        1. Revival
          Revival April 12 2020 00: 08 New
          +1
          Yes, he would just write a defensive comment, such a job.
          Here, he rested for years, as all were defeated by import substitution, now the opposite wind blew from above, he spun: again everything is right and good, we must take abroad, again the victory of the top
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 12 2020 19: 20 New
            0
            Yes, such as you if you listen to - the whole life of a bucket and everything is bad as you do not twist, the edge of consciousness is already irreversible. And you will always look for negativity in everything. And for you - we do not have top crops.
  • Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 12 2020 13: 44 New
    +1
    Alas, in the current economic conditions (when, above all, world oil prices determine the price of the ruble), business and the state do not risk fully investing in the industrial base of the agro-industrial complex.

    Well, the market ruined everything. lol
    1. Campanella
      Campanella April 12 2020 19: 08 New
      +2
      The sausages are piled up, but for some reason I don’t want it expensive and poor-quality.
      Here in VO the mass of gentlemen is wrapped in a pancake from the variety of goods on the shelves, direct abundance, abundance.
      So I go to the store a lot of varieties of butter: both traditional and original and Russian and Vologda and Finnish ... But actually the varieties are only two 72 and 82%, say what for eyes wash these candy wrappers, if it is one?
      There are many varieties, but there is no good oil.
      In Soviet times, you come asking for butter, you are weighed, wrapped in paper and free.
  • Campanella
    Campanella April 12 2020 19: 00 New
    +1
    There is no way to get rid of one agro-industrial complex. Everything should be raised whenever possible.
    But the president has no one to do this for, and he himself doesn’t understand anything and does not want to think about it. Glazyev removed, and the remaining ghouls-economists can only count money and save on people.
  • Protos
    Protos April 12 2020 23: 20 New
    -1
    Ukrainians do not stay awake, everything is good with us! lol
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion April 13 2020 08: 25 New
    +1
    Where is Soviet punitive psychiatry, when is it so needed?

    And for the authors, and for those with whom Russia only does what it receives from the whole world, a lot of everything, without producing anything.
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 14 2020 15: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail M
    What else can we expect from "our" "elite", which has almost all interests and property abroad?

    Here you are mistaken!
    Not all!
    But the skis are well oiled:
    "The export of gold from Russia has sharply accelerated, this follows from the official statistics of the Federal Customs Service. Since the beginning of 2020, gold exports have skyrocketed 7 times compared to last year. Is this the flight of the elite, which is withdrawing assets from Russia, or a coincidence, when are investors trying to hedge their risks due to the coronavirus pandemic? "
    Is this good or bad? Rather good. If the rich take out the gold, soon their sleek asses will fly on business jets in the same direction.
    If these bloodsuckers do not blame them, then they will come to the government to bow before they are asked to help them with money from the NWF. And as before, they (blood ghouls) would receive it (financial assistance).


    LikBez, for regions or how to correctly justify import substitution.
    Moscow will not teach you this yet:
    “For us, ordinary people in the regions, the administration is twisting their hands - and in Moscow, please - take Microsoft and this is kind of normal. Therefore, I got confused and went to look for a purchase. The found rationale surprised me so much that I urge the habro community to answer the question - what , so it was possible? "

    2019 year.
    "The Moscow City Hall, not finding domestic analogues of foreign software, will spend 68 million rubles on imported software"
    https://habr.com/ru/news/t/459268/
    2020 yearthe heyday of terry import substitution:
    "As part of import substitution, Moscow buys Microsoft software for 90 million rubles"
    https://habr.com/ru/top/weekly/
    According to approximately the same schemes, the country's main import substitution body two years ago approved the purchase of more than 100 aircraft for civil aviation from behind a mound (Airbase and Boeing).
    Effective managers - they are so effective!