Koenigsberg surrender called German national disaster

Koenigsberg is a walled city with powerful fortifications that have been created for centuries. The fact that Soviet troops took it in four days can be called a national disaster for Germany.

This opinion was expressed by a member of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Nikita Buranov in an interview with reporters of the news agency RIA News.

The operation to capture Koenigsberg ended on April 9, 1945. He commanded the troops that took the capital of East Prussia, Marshal Vasilevsky.

Nikita Buranov considers the capture of Koenigsberg by the Red Army as one of the decisive events in the end of World War II:

The fall in just four days of the impregnable Koenigsberg, a fortified city with a rich history, the cradle of the German military spirit, the capital of the Teutonic Order, from where the Germans started the war of aggression, became a real humiliation and a national disaster for Germany.

The Nazis hoped that Koenigsberg would be able to keep the defense long enough. Chrysler Ernst Wagner, knowing the power of this fortress, called it the “iron door of Germany”, which the Soviet Union could not open for at least six months. But everything went wrong as the Nazis had suggested, and after fierce, but short-term battles, Koenigsberg was taken.

The capture of this impregnable fortress became a real humiliation for the Nazis, undermining their fighting spirit and bringing the final victory over fascism closer.

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[boss]

still used the path to him land immediately arranged.
and then one pshekam, another Moldovans, but they didn’t think about themselves ...

[210ox]

Well, then there was another reality. No one thought that t in a r and destroy the State.

[Finches]

In this case, this is not a catastrophe - but its consequence! The reasons are a little different ... And if the Germans consider the surrender of Koenigsberg to be a national catastrophe - then I have a question - are they so stupid in the EU or are they plotting something again?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

And if the Germans consider the surrender of Koenigsberg to be a national catastrophe - then I have a question - are they so stupid in the EU or again, are they plotting something?

Most likely they are plotting something. The Germans are not the people who forgets something and forgives.

[orionvitt]

Quote: tihonmarine

The Germans are not the people who forgets something and forgives.

Looking at their attitude towards migrants and "other minorities" is a moot point. Schiller's spirit was gone.

[I must]

You have read the article extremely inattentively. "This opinion was expressed by a member of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Nikita Buranov in an interview with the journalists of the RIA Novosti news agency." - this is a certain Nikita Buranov considers it a disaster

[Finches]

Thank you! Not correctly formulated - if it is the Germans who think so ...

[Pereira]

Right. The Germans do not know anything about this disaster and will never know.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Devo

(RVIO)

No worse than Kolya from Urengoy.

Hello. My name is Nikolai Desyatnichenko. I study in a gymnasium in the city of Novy Urengoy. I was invited to participate in a project dedicated to soldiers who died during the Second World War. This interested me very much, since I have been fond of the history of both my country and Germany since childhood.

I immediately started looking for relevant information. First he visited the city archive and library, then he tried to find the stories of German soldiers on the Internet and other sources. However, later, in collaboration with the German People’s War Grave Care Alliance, I learned and studied in detail the biography of Georg Johan Rau.

He was born on January 17, 1922 in a large family. George went to the front with the rank of corporal and fought as an air defense soldier in the Battle of Stalingrad in 1942-1943. Georg was one of the 250 thousand German soldiers who were surrounded by the Soviet army in the so-called Soviet cauldron. After the cessation of fighting, he ended up in a prisoner of war camp. Only 6 thousand of these prisoners of war returned home, and George was not among them.

For a long time, the relatives of the German soldier considered him missing. Only last year, the Georg family received information from the German People’s Union for the Care of War Graves that a soldier died from harsh conditions of captivity on March 17, 1943 in a prison camp in Beketovka. Perhaps he was buried among 2006 soldiers near this camp.

The story of Georg and the work on the project touched me and prompted me to visit the burial site near the city of Kopeisk. This extremely upset me, because I saw the graves of innocently dead people, among whom many wanted to live peacefully and did not want to fight. They experienced incredible difficulties during the war, which my great-grandfather, a participant in the war who was the commander of the rifle company, told me about. He fought not for long, as he was seriously wounded.

Otto von Bismarck said: "Anyone who has looked into the glassy eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think well before starting a war." I sincerely hope that common sense will prevail throughout the Earth and the world will never see wars again.

Thank you for attention.

[boss]

Che that some kind of ambiguous message is felt.
Offer to penetrate corporals from large families who came for land and slaves?
DID NOT WORK OUT?
The boy urgently to Khatyn and the former concentration camps - museums and introduce each of the existing ones.
And then to Krasnodon, where the good corporals first tortured the pioneer partisans, and then they threw the living into the pit of the mine and the groans of the children were heard for several more days

[Gray brother]

Quote: patron

Che that some kind of ambiguous message is felt.

I, too, sensed a smell.
This is not about the boy, but about the citizen from the RVIO. The boy will be cured, and the citizen at work.

[Roman123567]

This opinion was expressed by a member of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Nikita Buranov

All questions are not for the Germans, but for this comrade ..))

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Finches

And if the Germans consider the surrender of Koenigsberg to be a national catastrophe - then I have a question - are they so stupid in the EU or again, are they plotting something?

In this case, this is the opinion of a member of the Russian military-historical society Nikita Buranov.

In this case, this is not a catastrophe - but its consequence! Reasons a little different

The catastrophe for them began on June 22, 1941. Have not learned the lessons of history. We have forgotten the words of Alexander Nevsky: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword."

[ultra]

Quote: Vladimir_6

... Forgot the words of Alexander Nevsky: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword."

Rather, these are the authors of the script of the same film. Although the essence does not change.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: ultra

Quote: Vladimir_6

... Forgot the words of Alexander Nevsky: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword."

Rather, these are the authors of the script of the same film. Although the essence does not change.

Prince Alexander Yaroslavovich had a good command of oratory and was well acquainted with the Bible. He could learn this phrase from the New Testament:

And so, one of those with Jesus stretched out his hand, drew his sword, and, striking the slave of the high priest, cut off his ear.
Then Jesus said to him: return your sword to its place, FOR EVERYONE WHO TAKES THE SWORD WILL DIE THE SWORD;

[Rzzz]

Quote: Vladimir_6

The disaster for them began on June 22, 1941.

I think earlier, around March 1933. It’s difficult to say more precisely, there were many different events.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: Vladimir_6

The disaster for them began on June 22, 1941.

I think earlier, around March 1933. It’s difficult to say more precisely, there were many different events.

Events before 1941 did not concern the USSR. The Drang Nach Osten decision was disastrous for Germany.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Events until 1941 did not concern the USSR.

This is only a very superficial look. In fact, there a chain of patterns is clearly traced to the First World War, and the revolutions in Russia and Germany.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: rzzz

Quote: Vladimir_6

Events until 1941 did not concern the USSR.

This is only a very superficial look.

This is exclusively on the subject of an article on the capture of Koenigsberg in 1945.

[To be or not to be]

"The surrender of Koenigsberg was called a national disaster in Germany"
Do not constantly repeat historical mistakes in Germany and avoid another "catastrophe"

Germany is only seemingly independent, and others control it from across the ocean and the English Channel.
Catastrophe is-
-when they brought to power the national fascists in Germany.
-when they financed them, let them arm themselves. warmed up their appetite for the seizure of foreign territories and pushed "Nah Osten" at the head of almost the entire bravo marching Europe
We see the same militaristic dying now both in Europe and from Germany .. a trip to a new catastrophe ..

[orionvitt]

Koenigsberg surrender called German national disaster

Here the author is not accurate. The Germans did not surrender Koenigsberg, and ours have taken. According to the meanwhile, when you are handed something over and the meanwhile, when you take something in battle, there is a big difference.

[krillon]

Nikita Buranov German, what speaks out for them? Is Germany’s participation in World War II not a tragedy?

[Simargl]

Quote: Krillon

Is Germany’s participation in World War II not a tragedy?

For whom? For Germany? First, no. Then yes.

[Olgovich]

Quote: patron

right now they arranged a path to him overland.
and then one pshekam, another Moldovans, but they didn’t think about themselves ...

For this, it was simply not necessary to create the BSSR (many opposed its creation in Minsk itself!) In 1919 and it was not necessary to increase its territory THREE TIMES in 1924 g due to the Russian lands (after the formation of the USSR!).
And everything would be the way ....

[AU Ivanov.]

Look deeper: there was no need to create national republics at all. The division of the country according to the territorial - economic principle. Or in the province, as it was in the Republic of Ingushetia. Or as in the States: they took a ruler and cut the state into squares.

[den3080]

Quote: AU Ivanov.

Look deeper: there was no need to create national republics at all. The division of the country according to the territorial - economic principle. Or in the province, as it was in the Republic of Ingushetia. Or as in the States: they took a ruler and cut the state into squares.

The fact is that in 1917 the Russian Empire completely collapsed. And in subsequent years, the new leadership of the country fought for their own power and survival by anyone! ways. Where there was not enough strength, they let go / give independence easily, hiding behind the idea of ​​a world proletarian revolution (in other words, we will return it anyway).
Where there were no more or less strong national formations, they simply gave the opportunity to organize an "independent" state, for example, the Far Eastern Republic, on the principles of "a woman and a cart are easier for the mare" and also "we will return anyway."
Stalin had to collect (in fact). And it turned out, in the vast majority of cases, that it might not be possible to return to the semblance of the previous division peacefully, and this again is blood / war, which just seems to have ended ...
and who will restore the destroyed? who will teach literacy / electrify / industrialize the country? and the world proletarian did not work out.
So we went along the path of national division, under the flag of internationalism, but! within one country ...
In general, they created enormous problems in the country and then heroically (I write without any irony) and in many ways amazingly successful! they were solved.

[AU Ivanov.]

The national division could be abolished later, when the state had already become stronger. Not to flirt with nationalities, not to encourage "Ukrainianness", "Moldovanism" but to persistently form a Soviet citizen, without dividing into nations. The communists declared internationalism and at the same time contributed to the division of the people of the USSR along ethnic lines.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The Communists declared internationalism and at the same time contributed to the division of the people of the USSR on a national basis.

Hehehehe ... and you read the primary sources - what exactly the Communists understood by internationalism:

I already wrote in my works on the national question that the abstract statement of the question of nationalism in general is worthless. It is necessary to distinguish between the nationalism of the oppressed nation and the nationalism of the oppressed nation, the nationalism of a large nation and the nationalism of a small nation.
(...)
Therefore, internationalism on the part of the oppressing or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the Grand Mordion) should consist not only in the observance of the formal equality of nations, but also in such inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation , a nation large, the inequality that actually develops in life. He who did not understand this, he did not understand the truly proletarian attitude to the national question, he essentially remained on the petty-bourgeois point of view, and therefore could not but slide down every minute to the bourgeois point of view.

© VIL. On the question of nationalities or "autonomization".
That is, Lenin's "internationalism" does not imply any building of a single nation "Soviet man". Moreover, national characteristics should not only be preserved, but also strengthened:

... it is necessary to introduce the strictest rules regarding the use of the national language in the foreign republics that are members of our union, and check these rules especially carefully. There is no doubt that under the pretext of unity of the railway service, under the pretext of unity of the fiscal, etc. with us, with our modern apparatus, a lot of abuses of a truly Russian property will penetrate. To combat these abuses, special ingenuity is needed, not to mention the special sincerity of those who undertake such a struggle. Here a detailed code will be required, which only nationals living in this republic can draw up to any success.

But with all this "Russian people have to pay and kayazzo".
In its early works, the AFL assigned the responsibility for oppressing small nations and great-power chauvinism exclusively to Russian officials. But in the end, the Russian people as a whole turned out to be guilty.

[AU Ivanov.]

Well, this same VIL also laid a land mine under the country. And Russophobe he was excellent.

[Amateur]

So what do you want from the person who is blank for mom.

Politburo, elected at the Plenum of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) March 25, 1919 Members: V.I. Lenin - Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars), L.B. Kamenev (Lev Rosenfeld) (chairman of the Moscow City Council), N.N. Krestinsky (lawyer from Mogilev), Secretary of the Central Committee of the party), I.V. Stalin (since 1898, People's Commissar for Nationality), L.D. Trotsky (Leiba Bronstein) (People's Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs, Chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic); Candidates for membership: N.I. Bukharin (editor of the newspaper Pravda), G.E. Zinoviev (Evsey Radomyslsky) (Chairman of the Petrograd Council and Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Comintern), M.I. Kalinin (Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee).

Such a team and Bear Jap did not disdain.

[AU Ivanov.]

And if you look at the terry Russophobia of the founding fathers: Marx, and especially Engels, then there is nothing to be surprised at.

[Olgovich]

Quote: den3080

Stalin had to collect (in fact). AND It revealedoverwhelmingly most cases what to return to the likeness of the former division may not work out peacefully, and this again is blood / war, which just seems to have ended.

FACTS Give "clarifications" and failed "attempts", not fairy tales.
Do not have?

But there are others: the USSR was formed from the RSFSR, the Ussr (where more than half wanted to be in RUSSIA!), The BSSR (which itself did not really want to be a republic) and the tiny Transcaucasia.

ALL!

Now tell us who and when wanted to leave the RSFSR after 1922? Nobody again?

WHY then were the "states" that never existed before - the "republics" of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, etc., were created? Who there threatened, rebelled with a way out that "had to"? Again, nobody?

They were baked before WWII hot cakes! with ... the right to exit! Not ... asking even the will of the population (KFSSR, MSSR)!

A monstrous mistake!

[Sergej1972]

Not so with the FER. It was formed by decision of the Central Committee of the RCP (B.). And it was controlled from Moscow.

[Simargl]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Or as in the States: they took a ruler and cut the state into squares.

The US then cut from scratch.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olgovich

For this, it was simply not necessary to create the BSSR (many opposed its creation in Minsk itself!)

At the time of the creation of the BSSR, this was the most reasonable decision.

[Olgovich]

Quote: tihonmarine

At the time of the creation of the BSSR, this was the most reasonable decision.

what is ... "reason"?
and then what would happen?

ps The decision to create a "republic" was made not in Minsk, but in the so-called. "CC VKPBE" in Moscow.

[Caretaker]

Quote: Olgovich

Quote: patron
right now they arranged a path to him overland.
and then one pshekam, another Moldovans, but they didn’t think about themselves ...

For this, it was simply not necessary to create the BSSR (many opposed its creation in Minsk itself!) In 1919 and it was not necessary to increase its territory THREE TIMES in 1924 at the expense of Russian lands (after the formation of the USSR!).
And everything would be the way ....

The BSSR did not border the Kaliningrad region, you are our competent.
It is weak to swing to Lithuania or you write from there?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Caretaker

The BSSR did not border the Kaliningrad region, you are our competent.

in the times I mentioned and in the Kaliningrad region and in sight was not, "observant" you are our

Quote: Caretaker

It is weak to swing to Lithuania or you write from there?

1. Go to secondary school and maybe. learn that in 1939 the USSR bought, in fact, from the Nazis the southwestern lands of Lithuania and ... gave them to Lithuania. I would not give up, there was a connection between the Bssr and In Prussia
2. Poland was taken away not her land in 1939 and this, again, is a land connection with in Prussia

[Caretaker]

Quote: Olgovich

Just for that it was not necessary to create a BSSR
...
... in the times I mentioned, there was no trace of the Kaliningrad region, you are our "observant" ...

How critical when creating the BSSR there was a direct connection with East Prussia, you are our visionary, and when did the BSSR border it?
All the same, you clearly sympathize with Lithuania and Poland.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Caretaker

How critical was the direct connection with East Prussia when creating the BSSR, you are our shrewd one,

There is no BSSR-there is a land connection with V. Prussia through the following Russian territories:

1 in 1939 the USSR bought, in fact, from the Nazis the southwestern lands of Lithuania
2. Poland did not take its land in 1939

REAL EXAMPLE: Eliminated freak so-called Kfssr and in Russia -Have land connection with Murmansk.

Or again it is not clear. Are you unnoticed by us?

[Caretaker]

Quote: Olgovich

... Or again it is not clear ...

You seem confused.
Take a look at the modern map. Which countries does Belarus border with?

By the way, about Karelia. It was the Romanovs who passed in 1812. Vyborg / Finland Province (Old Finland) as part of the Grand Duchy of Finland. If it had not been handed over, Vyborg would not have had to be returned twice and the border could have been much more west.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Caretaker

You seem confused.
Take a look at the modern map. Which countries does Belarus border with?

No, that's right. Just the land corridor to Kaliningrad is obtained from the RSFSR in three stages:
1. The BSSR is not formed, its lands are included in the RSFSR as the Belarusian Territory.
2. In 1939, the USSR gives Germany the Vylkavysky ledge. And after the reunification of the lands occupied by Poland, the USSR does not transfer the Vilensky Territory to Lithuania, but leaves it as part of the Belarusian Territory of the RSFSR (in real life, Stalin transferred bourgeois Lithuania lands already included in the BSSR).
3. In 1945, the Vulkashevsky ledge was transferred together with Koenigsberg and East Prussia from Germany to the Kaliningrad Region of the RSFSR.
As a result, after 1945, a corridor to the Kaliningrad region - between Poland and Lithuania within the borders of 1939 (without the Vylkyshevsky ledge) forms near the Belorussian Territory of the USSR.

[Caretaker]

Quote: Alexey RA

No, that's right. Just a land corridor to Kaliningrad turns the RSFSR has three stages:

And where is this corridor? Do you think that Belarus is the obstacle to the transfer of troops to the Kaliningrad region?
It seems that you have recklessly "led" to a provocative statement.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Caretaker

You seem confused.
Take a look at the modern map. Which countries borders Belarus?

And?

Quote: Caretaker

By the way, about Karelia. It was the Romanovs who passed in 1812. Vyborg / Finland Province (Old Finland) Grand Duchy of Finland. If it had not been handed over, Vyborg would not have had to be returned twice and the border could have been much more west.

I do not know of such a "state" - there were RUSSIAN troops everywhere.
But the lodges, which recognized the independence of Finland, did not bother in advance to stipulate borders, property, etc.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olgovich

Or again it is not clear. Are you unnoticed by us?

I agree with you.

[smile]

boss
yeah, the Suvalki corridor ...... the NATO owners of Lithuania are building their tasks on the basis that Russia will be forced to release us.
Judging by the statements in the open press, these ..... degenerates are going to deliver two US divisions (heavy) to the defense of Lithuania in just 60 days .... for each :))))) and do not spit on me: )))) - from the open press, the Nato countries ento the business was informed repeatedly and variedly - including in the form of direct statements by the Nata leadership directly to the Baltic population ... :))
) And this is not a lie - since the landing of troops should be carried out outside the reach of our OTRK, air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems ... the campaign is in the Netherlands ... yeah, in total - over a mile and a half ... according to rare vehicles adapted for such equipment , roads ....... under its own power, little by little, lightly - the piece of iron will not stand up - bridges and platforms that can withstand almost seventy-ton tanks are a rarity, land bridges are even more rare .... logistics - a complete kirdyk ... .Assaulting means and means of forcing numerous water barriers at the ground - I will be aphids - not that, no - but almost none - for sure.
In general, the victorious Amerikan armada should, according to their standards, according to their experience - as with the first Iraq war - be assembled within six months ..... yeah. with that. they admit that we will take all the tattered poor Baltic states in just a week .... Damn. it seems to me alone. that no one is going to sweep the Bolts, or only the Americans? :))))))

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: smile

air defense and anti-aircraft defense systems .... the campaign was in the Netherlands ... yeah, everything - over a mile and a half km ... along the rare roads adapted for the movement of such equipment ....... under its own power, little by little, a bit of light - a piece of iron not stand it - bridges and platforms capable of

All of their latest teachings ----- this is a throw-away of German poses to Polish, as they are more convenient and profitable

[smile]

Hello.
It seems to me - you're wrong.
Yes, the teachings you indicated were also there.
But what I said above concerned completely different teachings .... which broke down due to the coronovirus — both battalion and brigade truncated groups of US and NATO forces froze in the corners of eastern Europe and the Baltic states.
I personally read the "recommended for acquaintance" cartoon, with which the hegemons supply their Baltic slaves - it is not secret - it is for maximum sensation of the Bolt Armed Forces (damn it, I can't even imagine what ant people feel after reading this :))))
there were several options for the United States -
1. the most stupid and funniest - the Russians attacked, got stuck in the mighty defense of the Baltic states and given strength, the allies arrived - their Germany, the rest of the Europe ... yeah, and the whole three heavy divisions of the United States. By the American divisions the American pans reported that the whole American group will be in the region of 300 thousand .... infantry tanks - fifty, and everything else - provision, aviation, fleet and the like ......
damn, I almost cried ..... whole three divisions ... and they will calmly cross ... with our boats. and aviation, the campaign will agree on direct deliveries of fuel and batteries .... :))))))
2. The smartest and most cunning - the Russians are able to take control within one to two weeks ..... and only then ... - all the same above-mentioned terms, difficulties and all that, plus - the tireless moral support of the enslaved :) )))) oh, I believe that those who are really at the helm are well aware that if we climb into the Baltic states, we will have to beat them until the enemy is completely eliminated - otherwise there’s no point in beating ....
So it goes. :))))

[Butchcassidy]

The city, by the way, is very wisely built. There, medieval sewage systems still work, and trees along the roads were planted in such a way that their crowns closed over the road and armored vehicles and troops were not visible from the air

[AU Ivanov.]

Local drivers say about the trees along the roads: the Germans are gone - the trees are at war.

[gabonskijfront]

called the last Wehrmacht soldiers.

[iouris]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

the Germans are gone - the trees are at war

Che, run across the road?

[AU Ivanov.]

No, if, in which case, you have to leave the road to the side of the road, then there the trees will meet you.

[iouris]

Move to the Orenburg region.

[AU Ivanov.]

Her, I do not like the steppe. And I do not like heat. Forests, swamps - this is our everything.

[iouris]

Then you will have to carry out reeducation work ... with the "last soldiers of the Wehrmacht."

[AU Ivanov.]

No, I’d better conduct educational work with the first soldiers of the Wehrmacht. Which in my native land rot through the swamps.

[Uncle lee]

Soviet troops took it in four days,

Only four days! Vasilevsky worthy student Suvorov A.V.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ButchCassidy

There, medieval sewage systems still work.

In 1983 he was on the increase courses in the IPC (in the market area), so there was no water for three days. Then they learned that during earthworks, they damaged a collector, which was not on the plan, he worked under the Germans. Yes, and now it probably works.

[Victorio]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The city, by the way, is very wisely built. There, medieval sewage systems still work,

===
right, it was done wisely. however, it’s time to change for a long time.

[Caretaker]

Quote: ButchCassidy

and trees along the roads were planted in such a way that their crowns closed over the road and armored vehicles and troops were not visible from the air

In our park, most of the malls are planted in the same way. I wonder why? :)
Military aircraft began to be actively used in FDA. Perhaps the inhabitants were so perspicacious that they planted trees in the 19th century precisely for the purpose of disguising themselves from aviation. For 20 years, the crowns do not have time to close.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ButchCassidy

The city, by the way, is very wisely built. There, medieval sewage systems still work, and trees along the roads were planted in such a way that their crowns closed over the road and armored vehicles and troops were not visible from the air

All their age-old "wisdom" was worth 4 days of war. The Soviet Brest Fortress, not burdened with the age-old "wisdom" of Western history, stood for a month, didn't it?

[gabonskijfront]

My dear Königsberg district, my grandchildren are already born here, there are no Germans anymore who are dearer to me. For me, the Rosgarten gates, Lithuanian shaft, spandin, kalgovka, Fort Grohlmann, Pregel, are not German place names, but mine, where I was born and increased.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gabonskijfront

.For me, the Rosgarten gate, the Lithuanian shaft, the spindle, the kalgovka, the fort grolman, Pregel, these are not German place names, but mine, where I was born and raised.

I was not born in Kaliningrad, but for me it is also close, because my father rooted out the Teutons in four days in SAU-152, and now my son is studying there at KTI, where I studied.

[AU Ivanov.]

I have a neighbor in my small homeland, he was the commander of St. John's Wort. He told me that they worked in the city on the centers of resistance with a conveyor belt. Shot direct fire and quickly around the corner to reload. A self-propelled gun with a projectile in the barrel is already flying into position. 10-15 shots and from the house, where the Fritzes settled down - rubble. The infantry mother cleans out the wreckage - move on. Serious centers of resistance were bypassed, artillery of great and special power dealt with them.
Our losses are 3700 killed and this is in an OFFENSIVE operation.
The loss of the Germans to 42000 killed.
Who is there who threw corpses?

[bubalik]

The loss of the Germans to 42000 killed.

,, where are these numbers? there the whole garrison was not more than 60 thousand was.

[AU Ivanov.]

About 120 thousand, without Volkssturm. 70 thousand prisoners, 42 thousand killed. The numbers roughly converge.

[knn54]

Another century-long bridgehead of German expansion to Russia, Russia, the USSR would have fallen.

[Ros 56]

What kind of surrender is it, Kaliningrad was conquered against the will of the Nazis, and they surrendered because they wanted to live. I was there, watching the forts and quietly numbing, which our soldiers had to go through. Honor and glory and low bow, few are capable of this.

[The Siberian barber]

Indeed, looking at the remains of fortifications in Kaliningrad and Baltiysk, one wonders: how did you manage to take these cities in such a short time?
I remember, we boys, it was expanse to walk through the mazes of forts, bunkers
By the way, many structures still serve the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[AU Ivanov.]

They took Koenigsberg very competently. Interaction of combat arms, saturation with technology, dedication and heroism. Everything was great. We had good "teachers" at the beginning of the war, but the "students" turned out to be much more capable: the fortified city was taken in 3 days.

[The Siberian barber]

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard that before the assault, we made a detailed model of the city, based on aerial photography, and with its help the coordination of the assault groups was debugged

[Amateur]

Könick was taken competently. Wealthy quarters and military barracks are completely intact, although everything else has been destroyed to zero.
Well, the town of Raushen, now Svetlogorsk, famous for its generals' summer residences, went untouched from German generals to Soviet generals.
This means that in the spring of 1945 the Red Army was able to fight better than anyone else in Europe!
Happy Victory Day!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amateur

Könick was taken competently. Wealthy quarters and military barracks are completely intact, although everything else has been destroyed to zero.

Do not forget that before the assault, the Anglo-American carpet bombing demolished the poor areas, the whole Moscow Avenue didn’t exist from the Royal Palace and the Royal Chambers (where 40 years of unfinished building has already stood), but the buildings where KTI, DMO, GB are now BF Management, Prison Management, etc. It is pristine.

[voyaka uh]

April 1945!
It is already clear to all Germans 100% that the war is lost, and it is impossible to undermine the Germans spirit more than it was undermined.
Even if Kenninsberg had simply been blocked, he would have surrendered after the capture of Berlin and the surrender of Germany.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: voyaka uh

Even if Kenninsberg had simply been blocked, he would have surrendered after the capture of Berlin and the surrender of Germany.

It was impossible. For the Courland boiler was blocked, and then the Koenigsberg boiler would have appeared, so the Stavka’s decision was to crush Koenigsberg, and then storm Berlin.

[sanik2020]

They would fight for their Koenigsberg, like our grandfathers for Stalingrad, would not have to wipe their snot.

[AU Ivanov.]

And they fought like us for Stalingrad, do not underestimate the Germans. Here it is necessary to evaluate the military art of the Red Army and the valor of our soldier.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sanik2020

They would fight for their Koenigsberg, like our grandfathers for Stalingrad, would not have to wipe their snot.

When "kyrdik" came, it was too late to drink Borjomi. Or die, or "hands up the hill"!

[Mebius]

The national disaster of the Germans began as soon as they crossed the borders of the USSR! They hoped to marry with songs in Europe ..
Some "exceptional" again want to really try Russia by the teeth, if from the inside it will not be possible to ruin it Well, well!

[voyaka uh]

The disaster of Nazi Germany began when Germany was
at war with the three largest military powers in the world:
USSR, USA and Britain (together with the entire British Commonwealth:
Canada, Australia, India, etc.)
The economic potential of the Allies exceeded the potential of the Axis countries
more than ten times.

[meandr51]

If Germany in the 41st defeated the USSR, it is still unknown what would happen to the rest of the superpowers. I doubt their fighting efficiency, although the potential - yes ... But everything kept
in the Soviet Union.

[faterdom]

In general, in order to even out the development of the regions, it is necessary to bring the size of the Kaliningrad region to the size of the Arkhangelsk region, at the first stage, of course. Well, and then - and to Yakutia-Sakha.
There will be a republic of Kaliningrad-Sakha.

[your1970]

But what for do we need Belgium / Holland / especially Poland to feed ????

[Sergej1972]

The difference between a republic and a region or region is the presence of other official languages ​​other than Russian. Otherwise, there are no real differences.

[9PA]

Simple Leningrad held on for more than 2 years. And here is a fortified city. These are fundamental differences: death is better than captivity, and the victor is submitted. The tragedy is Dresden. And the third Reich, the Aryans, Teutons, real Nordic people were humiliated by yesterday’s Bosot, peasants, unwashed barbarians, pigs from the east, led by the son of a shoemaker. And we lost all the polymers. But, Yura, there is still hope!

[iouris]

These statements are very stingy with revenge.

[Amateur]

can be called a national disaster for Germany.
This opinion was expressed by a member of the Russian Military Historical Society (RVIO) Nikita Buranov in an interview with reporters

Boring. Corovavirus crushes. Balls for rollers are rolled. Thinking in the head climbs. Self-isolation however.

[svoit]

Soviet troops took him

The title of the article does not match the content, it is have takenAnd not surrendered.
In general, this city cannot be separated from the whole of East Prussia then, it was a single fortified area, and its capture did not end with the capture of Koenigsberg. And it took a little more than 4 days

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svoit

The title of the article does not correspond to the content, it was taken, and not passed.

Yes, everything is consistent. Our fathers and grandfathers stormed, but on the German side they surrendered, they simply surrendered the winner, as evidenced by the act of surrender signed by the commandant of Koenig, General Foch.

[Prisoner]

Hitler in power in Germany, it was a national disaster. And Kaliningrad is part of the fee for national bastardism.

[voyaka uh]

Absolutely.
When Germany surrendered, it became the cessation of national
German disasters and the revival of the German people after 12 years
Nazi nightmare.
And this became a disaster for the Nazi regime.

[AU Ivanov.]

In 1758, Russian troops entered Königsberg and its inhabitants swore allegiance to Elizabeth. Until 1762, he was part of the Republic of Ingushetia. Unfortunately, the alternatively gifted Peter the Third gave it away.

[Retvizan 8]

Glory to our grandfathers!
Their feat is priceless!
The memory of them will always live in the hearts of our generation, I hope the children and grandchildren will also honor this Holy Victory!

[da Vinci]

Deep thought N. Buranova. There is something from Alchen:

[cat Rusich]

Do not forget. Pillau (today Baltiysk) was taken on April 25, 1945, the battle for the Frisch-Nehrung spit ended on May 9, 1945 - with the surrender of the remaining Germans (about 22 people).

[meandr51]

There were no civilian Germans in the city - everyone left, fearing the "Asian hordes". But on the shore of the bay they lay interspersed with the military ...

[Jurkovs]

The biggest mistake was in 1761, when Peter !!! returned Koenigsberg, who had already sworn allegiance to the Russian Empire, to King Frederick.