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Who stood behind Andropov and Gorbachev

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November 1982 No matter how "unexpectedly" winter usually comes in our country, just as "unexpectedly" the death of Leonid Brezhnev, Secretary General of the CPSU Central Committee, took place. The party elites, who “dragged” a convenient person to the end, were faced with a situation where a convenient person left, and it was necessary to quickly share the party’s inheritance. In order not to create a political vacuum.


But, as the late Soviet says история, this vacuum eventually formed, despite the fact that the secretaries general came to their posts stably. But they also left too somehow “stably”.

The Day TV channel presents an interview with the writer Fedor Razzakov, who continued a series of lectures on the last decade of the Soviet Union, as well as on those leaders of the country who made the most important decisions. The fact that many of these decisions were controversial and probably influenced the fate of the Land of Soviets can now be attributed to the facts.

The writer Fyodor Razzakov in his lecture will talk about Yuri Andropov and Mikhail Gorbachev, give arguments about who was behind these large political figures, and how the probable shadow government ended in the end.

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  1. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin April 10 2020 05: 56 New
    +8
    [quote] Writer Fedor Razzakov in his lecture will tell [/ quote]
    I read it and got sick of watching
    The writer should write, not lectures
    I went to the Vika and what I saw
    [quote] Fyodor Ibatovich Razzakov (born February 7, 1962, Moscow, USSR) is a Russian writer, biographer and journalist. Famous as the author of books about Soviet and Russian cinema, television, pop, sports. [/ Quote]
    Decided on a politics on a PR?
    [quote] Born on February 7, 1962 in Moscow in an international family. Father - Razzakov Ibat (1936-2001) - an Uzbek, a native of the village of Denau, Bukhara region, Shafirkan region, mother - Razzakova (Tuktarova) Najiya (1935-2011) - a Tatar, a native of the village of Petryaksa, Gorky region, Pilninsky district. [/ Quote]
    And then even better
    [quote] Razzakov’s concepts, developed when writing biographies of famous people, are perceived critically by many other researchers. Some authors of negative reviews [what?] Call them “anti-ZHZL”. In addition, a whole term arose among them - “razzakovism” [1], as an example of a biased approach to the work of the universal idol. Razzakov is called a "yellow" journalist, a lover of "fried" facts, rumors and gossip.[/ Quote]
    And will he give me lectures?
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 10 2020 06: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Lipchanin
      I read it and got sick of watching

      I have not read a book, but I condemn (C)
      And you listen. And then comment all the masters.
      The lecture raises the topic of traitors to the Soviet Union. It's about Gorbachev and his patron Andropov. But this is certainly not all who betrayed the country and people.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        I have not read a book, but I condemn (C)

        Well, firstly, the quote is incorrect. Use unverified gossip

        The phrase "I have not read Pasternak, but I condemn" has become a saying among us. According to popular belief, it was pronounced during the popular condemnation of Boris Pasternak, who published the novel "Doctor Zhivago" abroad and received the Nobel Prize for it.
        The phrase became a symbol of the stupidity of the Soviet "denouncing dissidents" and a meme from the series "I am a witness, what happened?"

        In this capacity it is still actively used. So, as recently as April 2019, political scientist Dmitry Oreshkin, condemning the leader of the communists Gennady Zyuganov for calling for the demolition of the Yeltsin Center, wrote:
        About "not how it was in reality, but how profitable it is to present it" - Oreshkin said to the point.

        Because, in fact, the phrase "I have not read, but I condemn" during the condemnation of Pasternak is not recorded anywhere.

        I have already said that the business of writers is to write, not to lecture. And on the site I read, but do not listen to the lectures of a specialist in "Russian cinema, television, stage, sports" who was brought into politics for the sake of PR
        The lecture raises the topic of traitors to the Soviet Union.

        Well, if you don’t know them, then listen to what will tell you
        Razzakov is called a "yellow" journalist, a lover of "fried" facts, rumors and gossip.

        It's about Gorbachev and his patron Andropov. But this is certainly not all who betrayed the country and people.

        So let him tell you. I lived at that time, I was no longer a boy and I know perfectly well who betrayed
        1. Alexey Sommer
          Alexey Sommer April 10 2020 06: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Well, firstly, the quote is incorrect. Use unverified gossip

          Well, did you get the point?)
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 36 New
            +5
            I have already answered. Read everything I wrote, not just one phrase
        2. DMB 75
          DMB 75 April 10 2020 06: 37 New
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          What is the dispute, men? That labeled Judas? So it is.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 06: 39 New
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            Quote: DMB 75
            What is the dispute, men? That labeled Judas? So it is.

            Here I am about it. I still have some kind of "special" on gossip will lecture about him.
            I don’t know without him
            It is strange that he ebn did not remember
        3. knn54
          knn54 April 10 2020 08: 43 New
          +5
          Sergey, I also lived at that time. The conversation is not about who betrayed, but who stood.
          I think that really we will never know.
          I can (I did not watch the proposed interview) just assume that Trotskyism was not finished off.
          There was one quite powerful, including with intelligence functions. The office is KOMINTERN,
          The shop was closed, but very many ended up in the future international department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and not only. Taking into account the ideology of "Zinoviev's nest chicks", a time bomb was planted in the Central Committee and other departments.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin April 10 2020 08: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: knn54
            The conversation is not about who betrayed, but who stood

            You are mistaken. The main thing who betrayed. And who paid him absolutely nothing to me
            I think that really we will never know.

            But I don’t need it. It makes no difference to me Germans, French, Americans, Nigerians, Somalis, etc. it sold out
            Gd
            The main thing is the fact of betrayal
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 10 2020 12: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      I went to the Vika and what I saw

      This is the right approach, because in order to analyze information, you must first make sure that it is obtained from a reliable source. And although the wiki is not the most reliable source, but according to the biography and life path of any author, you can quite accurately determine how much it is worth believing in his works and his conclusions, and there are a ton of examples.
    3. iouris
      iouris April 11 2020 19: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Lipchanin
      And will he give me lectures?

      Are you able to listen to the lecture?
  2. Van 16
    Van 16 April 10 2020 06: 37 New
    +6
    At one time, I honestly tried to read several books of Razzakov, including about Vladimir Vysotsky, a KGB super agent, the impression of the writer, to put it mildly, not very.
  3. Old partisan
    Old partisan April 10 2020 07: 10 New
    +6
    Yes, actually, what's the difference who stood behind them? What they wanted, achieved. Socialism is destroyed, the country is in ruins, liberals are in power, a population of 80 percent of the townspeople.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 10 2020 07: 31 New
      +5
      Now you have to restore, but in a modified version. So get ready. Only one question: who will be responsible for the collapse of the USSR?
      1. Gene84
        Gene84 April 10 2020 18: 06 New
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        Quote: Ros 56
        who is responsible for the collapse of the USSR?

        Alas, but no one ...
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 April 11 2020 07: 31 New
          +2
          Well, for some reason, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, the redhead and his gopkompashka, and many other direct participants, such as the current "star" of the TV screen of the liberal demagogue Stankevich, who demolished the monument to Dzerzhinsky and others, and others, and others, are still alive.
      2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru April 17 2020 23: 19 New
        -1
        If u c p e m and still be alive, the guy, to the letter, g, then he will not go anywhere from retribution for betrayal and the intentional collapse of the Union! A serious state will return to the territory of Russia (and it will MANDATORYly return) - and the demand from the villains will be serious. ,, You have to pay for everything. What's wrong? For centuries, Russians have known - “not all cats are a Shrovetide”
  4. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 10 2020 07: 52 New
    +1
    That any leader is primarily beneficial to his environment? So these are common truths. Right now anti-spill advisors are discussing the panic in Davos. The threat to capitalism? They are trying to lower all the merits of the USSR into the everyday life. "When Soviet people bought a TV, refrigerator, it was a holiday for them. They stood in line for cars for years." If now someone indifferently perceives the purchase of these goods, then he has chickens of money How long does it take to save up for a car? You can, of course, and on credit, but if you have chosen a good car, the down payment will be capacious.
  5. seacap
    seacap April 10 2020 13: 03 New
    +1
    It seems to me that people no longer care who was behind these individuals, who by the will of fate fell into the leadership of the state, this should be of interest to historians, law enforcement and judicial authorities, who must draw their own conclusions and condemn all those involved in this crime of the century. And in the eyes of the people, they, regardless of the court's decision, if it, of course, will someday be, will forever remain despised and hated outcasts along with Godunov, false Dmitry and Shuisky, as well as "figures" from the 90s to the present of the time who are still in power continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin April 10 2020 13: 46 New
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      Quote: seacap
      It seems to me that people no longer care who stood behind these personalities,

      Aha. As if there is a difference to whom it was sold. Like if this is a bad traitor, if to others, then not really bad
      So you can reach the "moderate opposition" which is not exactly terrorists.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 April 10 2020 16: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: seacap
      And in the eyes of the people, they, regardless of the court’s decision, if, of course, one day, will forever remain despised and hated outcasts along with

      But, after all, the people themselves are to blame - the crowd is ordinary, they screeched in delight, look at the chronicle, everything will become clear, the usual herd of sheep was, is and will be, which we are now observing.
      Quote: seacap
      along with Godunov

      By the way, the Sovereign was very intelligent, but they lied, the crowd picked up, but this is so, by the way.
  6. seacap
    seacap April 10 2020 15: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Aha. As if there is a difference to whom it was sold.

    I, of course, understand that Russian may not be your native language and you may not understand the meaning of Russian words and the meaning of sentences composed of them. But then, before you write something, you need to understand that this section discusses and comments on the article, and not the comment of the person who expressed his opinion. And with their "Aha", etc. Please, go to teen sites according to your level, but here people are more serious, they do not know how to communicate on the merits of the issue, dismiss the meaningless comments. I consider further communication meaningless, and therefore good luck.
  7. Gene84
    Gene84 April 10 2020 18: 08 New
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    The culprits in the collapse of the USSR Yakovlev and Gorbachev. Everything else is no longer important.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 11 2020 19: 16 New
      -1
      You tortured them and they confessed to you?
  8. seacap
    seacap April 10 2020 19: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: bober1982
    By the way, a very intelligent Sovereign

    There is, especially from a historical perspective, a very specific type of assessment of one or another leader (head of state) - the result of his reign, and for this person the results are very sad and deplorable both for himself and for the state, it is not necessary to form an opinion about the historical person by x / f or literature, t.b. based on modern realities, it seems to me.
    1. seacap
      seacap April 10 2020 19: 52 New
      0
      why? The site administrator was forbidden to leave comments on this site
  9. iouris
    iouris April 11 2020 18: 57 New
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    I absolutely agree with the conclusions of Razzakov. It is understandable why he unravels this matter: this is the key moment of "perestroika". The country is led by "Organs", the seizure of power is led by "Organs", the appointment of "personnel" is led by "Organs", the decision of the question of who is a corrupt official is led by "Organs".
    The painful question has not been disclosed: who is in charge of the "Organs": the Rothschilds or the Rockefellers? Jesuits led by the Pope? Together?
  10. Guazdilla
    Guazdilla April 12 2020 12: 36 New
    +2
    Who stood behind Andropov and Gorbachev


    On August 3, 1980, the military tribunal of the Turkestan military district sentenced Alisher Usmanov, the son of a Tashkent prosecutor, to 8 years in prison for fraud and complicity in receiving a bribe. Together with Usmanov, his friends were convicted - Bahadyr Nasymov, son of the deputy chairman of the KGB of Uzbekistan, and Ilham Shaikov, son of the Minister of Agriculture.
    True, it later turned out that it was just a "trifle" for the pocket expenses of the future tycoon, and indeed everything is not true, "fictional".
  11. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata April 13 2020 01: 28 New
    +1
    In 1984, Andrei Gromyko signed the Act of Surrender on behalf of the USSR. This document can be found in the library of His Majesty in London. Gorbachev, or rather his wife, was / was an agent of the West. "Perestroika" was the only way to destroy the USSR that would not lead to a riot.
    Of course, the collapse of the USSR began much earlier. It turned out to be impossible to build socialism in a single country, just as it is impossible to keep a wife in a cotton dressing gown from nonsense when a professional prostitute changes clothes, cars and gentlemen every day in the apartment next door.
    The West is still afraid of the USSR, even its mention, therefore its experience has not been studied and its great past has been covered with dust of lies.