GLONASS system: we are not talking about global issues

GLONASS system: we are not talking about global issues

Messages appeared in the domestic media about the postponement of the launch of the next satellite of a new generation of the GLONASS domestic navigation system made some hasty conclusions about the fact that “problems are beginning” with this major project. Is it so? What is actually happening today with the development of spacecraft of this series, their sending into low Earth orbit and the GLONASS satellite constellation as a whole?


Talk about an allegedly unfavorable situation with the increase in the number of Russian navigation satellites began after the dissemination of information regarding the transfer from May to June of this year of sending another orbit of the latest generation, GLONASS-K, from Plesetsk Cosmodrome. At the same time, the exact reasons for making such a decision were not disclosed, which made many guesses: was it caused by the coronavirus epidemic that broke many plans, or did something go wrong with the satellite itself?

A number of other GLONASS-related events give reason to think that the issue here is still in quarantine restrictions, rather than in something else. Indeed, the launch of Soyuz 2.16, which carried GLONASS-M into orbit, which was carried out on the same Plesetsk on March 16 this year, was quite successful. Moreover, as it became known, this device went into space, being equipped with the latest development of the Automation concern of the Rostec state corporation for the protection and encryption of data transmitted to the satellite from the Earth. In particular, this system serves to prevent possible attempts to seize control of a space object, crack it, and gain unauthorized access to any of its functions.

It would be incorrect to say that our scientists and technicians are lagging behind in the process of re-equipping the GLONASS system with more advanced K-series satellites, which should replace the M-series that is mainly used today. The new generation of navigation spacecraft surpasses the previous one both in accuracy (broadcasting two signals more) and in reliability (having a service life of three years longer). It is indeed being created with certain difficulties caused by sanctions imposed against our country, among which there are bans on the supply of just components and technologies for space programs to Russia.

Nevertheless, even if it is far from a simple way of import substitution, our country does not abandon its intended goals. As far as we know today, a few years earlier than planned, an improved version of the new generation of satellites - GLONASS-K2, which was initially expected to be launched no earlier than 2023, is almost ready for launch. In any case, this was what the general designer of the company “Information Satellite Systems named after Academician M. F. Reshetnev »Vladimir Halimanovich.

At the moment, the actual composition of the GLONASS satellite constellation has 27 spacecraft, 25 of which belong to the “M” series and two to the “K” series. 24 of them are operating normally, performing their tasks, one is in the commissioning phase, another is in orbital reserve. The launch of two more GLONASS-K is scheduled for the second quarter and the end of this year. By 2022, their number in orbit is planned to be increased to 9 units. Recall that for the full navigation coverage of the planet, 24 working satellite systems are needed, for the coverage of Russia - only 18. As you can see, there are no grounds for concern and talk about “problems”.
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  1. Ilya-spb April 9 2020 08: 15 New
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    More satellites, good and durable!

    And completely from domestic components!

    Why are we worse than the Chinese, who, as early as 30 years ago, had practically nothing?
    1. Finches April 9 2020 08: 49 New
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      Calm and correct article!

      And then, the launch was canceled - the universal howl begins - the Russian cosmonautics roll into the closet! The satellite fell - the howl intensifies - the Russian space program is already in the closet! The author is to write that there is no reason for concern, it means to be out of trend today! Be sure to write about the closet, where Russia will roll and add something about Putin’s “clique”, which has plundered everything - the advantages will be guaranteed! And so, the author can be called a putinoid and a herald of the "bloody" regime, who does not notice that the country, including astronautics, is rolling into the closet! laughing

      PS Perhaps such sarcasm is not appropriate in this case, but something recently respected VO site is increasingly replacing Echo of Moscow and the Dozhd channel with constant mantra articles about how scary it is to live in modern Russia ! God forbid, I wind up and make mistakes!
      1. nov_tech.vrn April 9 2020 19: 18 New
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        Unfortunately this is a fact. as well as the fact that the aggregator pulls up generally inappropriate articles. If you open a discussion and try to give alternative coverage of events, so try without bias and do not force us to register at all kinds of garbage resources, which, to put it bluntly, are not welcome.
      2. NordUral April 11 2020 11: 48 New
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        PS Perhaps such sarcasm is not appropriate in this case, but something recently respected VO site is increasingly replacing Echo of Moscow and the Dozhd channel with constant mantra articles about how scary it is to live in modern Russia ! God forbid, I wind up and make mistakes!

        Even ECHO is often told the pure truth. Only here they use it with a minus sign.
        And in VO, the Creator himself orders to tell the truth for the good of the country and people.
        Tomorrow is a significant day, the day of the first flight to Earth’s orbit, Gagarin’s day!
        And what does the cosmonautics of Russia look like on the background of this day of 1961?
    2. tihonmarine April 9 2020 09: 01 New
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      Quote: Ilya-spb
      Why are we worse than the Chinese, who, as early as 30 years ago, had practically nothing?

      We are no worse than the Chinese, we just buy these components from them.
      1. Starover_Z April 9 2020 09: 39 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        Why are we worse than the Chinese, who, as early as 30 years ago, had practically nothing?

        We are no worse than the Chinese, we just buy these components from them.

        The states have tried and are trying to pull China to their side, and therefore, I think, they were given access to high technologies in microelectronics. We are the enemy number one for the States, we are only sanctioned, so we are trying to rise in the development and manufacture of electronic components. Something turns out, just have to be patient and not make noise on the developers!
        1. tihonmarine April 9 2020 10: 05 New
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          Quote: Starover_Z
          States tried and are trying to pull China to their side

          I'm not sure about that. China is not that country, and not the people who will dance to someone’s tune. The states need China to harm them as little as possible, and try to isolate other countries from China. So far, they succeed thanks to the global financial system imposed by the United States, IMF and NATO leadership.
          1. ser56 April 9 2020 15: 03 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            China is not that country, and not the people who will dance to someone’s tune.

            funny - see the 19th and 20th centuries ... request and now it’s very neat ....
            1. tihonmarine April 9 2020 16: 40 New
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              Quote: ser56
              funny - see the 19th and 20th centuries ... and now it’s very neat.

              Well then, you can better watch in the 17th and 18th centuries, when the USA was not even mentioned.
              1. ser56 April 9 2020 17: 47 New
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                better watch

                the whole history of China is not very indicative of your thesis - it was periodically conquered by foreigners, but assimilated .... request and the indicated years were ruled by the Manchurian dynasty ... repeat
      2. Cowbra April 9 2020 09: 40 New
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        True, the Chinese themselves with geo-positioning - in any way, covered only the territory of China, and Glonass - works around the world winked So what ...
        1. iouris April 9 2020 11: 13 New
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          Beidu is not a global positioning system, like its European counterpart.
          1. Saxahorse April 9 2020 23: 35 New
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            Quote: iouris
            Beidu is not a global positioning system, like its European counterpart.

            She works for us too. Phones see her satellites.
  2. awdrgy April 9 2020 08: 17 New
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    This button is driving me in the car, but I'm still on an old one without it, and then what? Well, I’ll leave the mobile at home or on the edge can I use the left and SIM cards designed for the homeless but the button? What is it that turns out all my movements are known, is it a god that you can pull for? (Pgiskogbno) Or maybe something can be done with it?
    1. ccsr April 9 2020 11: 54 New
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      Quote: awdrgy
      What is it that turns out all my movements are known, is it a god that you can pull for? (Pgiskogbno) Or maybe you can do something with it?

      And when you put a satellite alarm system on your car, doesn’t it bother you that you are constantly being monitored?
      Or your mobile phone, which informs the interested services about everything you can, even if you fart loudly during a conversation.
      In general, it’s time for everyone to get rid of paranoia for a long time - now it’s impossible to completely hide from total control, and there is only one way - to follow Daria Lykova somewhere into the taiga wilderness without any gadgets and other gadgets, and then without buying tickets and hitchhiking.
      1. awdrgy April 9 2020 15: 48 New
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        And how does anyone know whose signaling it is, I did not tie it anywhere and the radius there is 200 meters or is it not satellite? and the mobile reports current if you are already interested then of course then yes but you will take measures if you will be interested for something So I’ll say there’s really a “little man” from whom to take “almost nothing” but the culture of my personal life was more precisely incognito to me from childhood and I follow these "instructions" all my life on the machine (well, for example, I know about the back pocket of someone else from 6 years old) And it’s generally elementary to hide from control at the moment (maybe except for the metropolis) and that's fine I'm not an exhibitionist Gadgets they in fact nafik at least the poor do not need me as toys for children, and the cameras are all elementarily cheap Chinese radar detectors (unattached to anything) because they are few in district centers and the building density makes it easy to not get into the sector if I want to wrote The same basic things (even to discuss strange)
        1. ccsr April 9 2020 17: 36 New
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          So I’ll let’s say a really “little man” from whom to take “almost nothing”

          I give you 99% guarantees that the special services will never interest you. In reality, you are of interest only to advertisers who track your queries in search engines.
          Quote: awdrgy
          And it’s generally elementary to hide from control at the moment (maybe except for the metropolis) and this is normal

          This is normal until you are seriously interested.
          Quote: awdrgy
          These are elementary things (it’s even strange to discuss)

          Elementary is only what Snowden told about, and what experts knew about long before his escape, and much more widely. As an example from the Soviet past - PDITR standards, which were just developed in order to make it difficult for us to keep track of the technical intelligence of our opponents. So this topic is far from new.
          1. awdrgy April 9 2020 17: 39 New
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            Oh how! -Means all the same an inconspicuous bunker in the forest)
  3. military_cat April 9 2020 08: 22 New
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    The last GLONASS-K was launched in 2014, and since then none have been launched. Instead, the previous generation (GLONASS-M) launched all this time. It is enough to understand that not everything is good with them, and the well-known events affected them in a very obvious way.
    1. Octopus April 9 2020 10: 41 New
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      It is enough to understand that not everything is good with them

      With GLONASS, and before that it was peculiar. It is enough to see the number of devices launched over the entire time compared to the ZhPS. Another thing is that the trouble is not GLONASS, but the Soviet / Russian satellite industry as a whole.
  4. knn54 April 9 2020 08: 32 New
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    What global problems are just “buggy”.
  5. rocket757 April 9 2020 08: 40 New
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    You can check it for sure - take two smartphones, for example, one “white” with GLONAS, the other “gray” without it. Put a special program and drive a decent distance ....
    And then see the tracking of the route.
    Where will it be more accurate?
    At the expense of the problems of the space industry, only the lazy and new information from the OBS did not say, nothing will change anything in our assessments and the actual state of affairs.
  6. Doccor18 April 9 2020 08: 43 New
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    The main thing is that there is a system! And the system is working. Without their own navigation, any strategy is now blind and meaningless.
  7. Vladimir_2U April 9 2020 08: 44 New
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    to cover Russia - only 18

    And for strikes against Russia they are not needed at all!
    What does it mean all? Russia and its weapons must be independent of foreign systems anywhere in the world, at any time!
    Fuck with them, with the minuses!
  8. Avior April 9 2020 09: 07 New
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    . totals 27 spacecraft, 25 of which belong to the M series and two to the K series. 24 of them are operating normally, performing their tasks, one is in the commissioning phase, another is in orbital reserve.

    Figures would not hurt to check smile
    Or just talk about the fate of the latter ....
  9. Mikhail3 April 9 2020 09: 10 New
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    GLONASS problems, of course, do not begin! They always were, and just escalated quite badly. The author may shove “engineers and scientists” into the article as much as possible, but the point is that engineers and scientists in the project do not determine anything, do not mean anything, and do not receive anything from the project, with the salary of the “middle class”.
    Apparently, effective managers threw out another group of engineers and scientists from the project so that they dare not ask for something there, and even hint that at least something should be paid for the WORK. People here are not enough to cut! What GLONASS ?! By quick pushed to the starting table what happened! Silently !! You do not want? Get out!
    There is no place for engineers and scientists in the cut of appropriations, just as there is no place for them in the chain of command built in our country. People with diplomas are represented there, albeit not generously, yielding to other people in quantity, and, of course, influence. But there are no engineers and scientists. So it flies worse and worse.
    The control system is absolutely, completely and completely unsuitable for work in high-tech projects. Its maximum level is to buy whole production in the west for gigantic money, invite collectors from there, and then, with a sin, start it in half. It's all.
    1. Mastrer April 9 2020 09: 32 New
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      There is a controversial moment ...

      Firstly, the system is quite suitable for its main purpose, namely, pointing the X-101 (2) babies to where the higher authorities dictate. GLONASS was created specifically for military purposes, all sorts of buttons in cars and civilian navigators were screwed only later.

      Secondly, a jamb really came out with GLONASS-K, because it was designed with bourgeois components (then it was faster and cheaper), and in 2014 we stopped selling imported dual-use electronics. I had to launch the less advanced GLONASS-M. Not the best deal, but it’s better to launch less sophisticated satellites than not to launch anything.

      So everything is not as bad as it seems. Not perfect, but you can live. The article as a whole is quite correct and adequate.
      1. Mikhail3 April 9 2020 09: 48 New
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        It's like that. I do not deny that the GLONASS system is, in principle, not bad.) But the control system is bad. For which we suffer ...
    2. ccsr April 9 2020 12: 06 New
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      Quote: Mikhail3
      but the thing is that engineers and scientists in the project do not determine anything, do not mean anything, and do not receive anything from the project, with the salary of the "middle class".

      This is no reason to argue that the project itself is not in demand and is not workable.
      Quote: Mikhail3
      By quick pushed to the starting table what happened! Silently !! You do not want? Get out!

      These are all emotions - what specific complaints do you have about the functioning of the system itself? Tell us more. What this system does not suit you personally and what are its errors - only specifically and without blah blah blah.
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      So it flies worse and worse.

      And can you confirm this with satellite failure statistics? Are they not producing a resource, or are they leaving the orbit prematurely? Well, tell me, do not be shy - we will listen to your arguments, only with reference to the source of information, because I strongly doubt that you are related to the space industry.
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The control system is absolutely, completely and completely unsuitable for work in high-tech projects.

      In which specifically, can you tell? As for the military component, we never laid it out that our strategic nuclear weapons systems would work on the basis of GLONASS. And for the rest of the military and domestic needs in peacetime, the system is very suitable, and most importantly, we are not dependent on anyone in this matter, which in itself provides savings and security.
  10. Free wind April 9 2020 09: 23 New
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    Glonas has problems. The box is the simplest Chinese, mounted on a car, and only with a tracking function, without a monitor, with the inscription made in Russia 15-20 thousand. You know the prices for smartphones. Sims are not needed for navigators to work, they are tied to satellites, of course, without feedback, and the cards must be clogged. Communication goes through SIM cards, most often MTS. If there is no connection, then at least shut up the buttons, no one will hear you. Data is stored for approximately 2-3 weeks. when entering the communication coverage area, data is transferred automatically to the system. This is a tracking system, car numbers are attached to glonas, track the inspector for 10 seconds. I drove into the forest, fined, fined to the river, overspeed, fined, run over to a continuous splitter fined, everything is fine, for sure the cameras will be removed from the roads and so everything is under the hood, the slightest violation will be fined, the Post will be in chocolate. And sometimes you don’t even know about your violations, for example, in winter, the split is not visible. But there is one in navigation, so please pay. It is possible to have to pay for communication, navigators then with Sims 200 rubles a month, for unlimited so to speak. Well, don’t really hope for help, no one has allocated additional funds to help drivers in the Ministry of Emergencies, and there are no additional cars or people. On the contrary reduction.
    1. AU Ivanov. April 9 2020 10: 17 New
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      Well, this is just not bad if you tear for speeding. There will be fewer pilots on the tracks.
    2. Octopus April 9 2020 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      The mail will be in chocolate. And sometimes you don’t even know about your violations, for example, in winter, the split is not visible. But there is one in navigation, so please pay.

      )))
      You're dramatizing. Accuracy specifically GLONASS (declared) - about 3 meters. It is necessary to go along the extreme oncoming lane of the four-lane road so that it is guaranteed to spot.
      About the river and the forest, in principle, it is possible.
      1. Free wind April 9 2020 12: 37 New
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        Well seen, you can believe it. Accuracy goes to centimeters, 3-5 cm is not a problem. True, sometimes there are glitches, Since a peasant alone on the Kamaz truck squeezed 840 km per hour. by glonas. I have a car standing in a box, driving all night at a speed of 11 km per hour. Now the truth is a rarity. T
        1. Octopus April 9 2020 13: 24 New
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          Quote: Free Wind
          Accuracy goes to centimeters

          These are ZhPS + GLONASS, and then not centimeters.
          1. Free wind April 9 2020 15: 32 New
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            ZhPS from Glonas differs in air frequencies and the height of satellites above the earth. Roughly speaking, a navigation satellite, let it be a watch, with an accuracy of a millionth of a second, the satellites are synchronized between themselves. Knowing the location of the satellites and calculating the time difference when receiving a signal from the satellites, the receiver will be determined in space. Therefore, the receiver needs to find at least three satellites, to accurately determine the location. For accurate determination by height, it is desirable to determine 4-5 satellites .. For example, Volvo excavators using three satellites give an error of digging depth of 8-10 centimeters, in some cases this is unacceptable for 4-5 satellites, the accuracy from the design depth is already 2- 4 cm. This is according to the ZhPS system. There is no feedback from satellites. Our truth is that this accuracy is turned off, excavators sometimes freeze losing the fifth satellite, but they hold quite 10 centimeters. And you talk about some meters.
            1. Octopus April 9 2020 18: 10 New
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              Quote: Free Wind
              but 10 centimeters hold completely. And you talk about some meters.

              And you are not talking about GLONASS, but about Real Time Kinematic, most likely.
    3. Mikhail Dzyuin April 9 2020 14: 20 New
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      Secret: ERA-GLONASS, which you are talking about here, is not related to the GLONASS system, about which the article.
  11. Engineer April 9 2020 10: 34 New
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    I really hope that K2 will fly into orbit this year.
    I was in Zheleznogorsk, where the Reshetnevites are sitting doing the full production cycle more than once or twice. An island of the Soviet era in both good and bad ways. Huge workshops, thousands of workers including women, Slavic janitors sprinkling roads with granite crumbs, and not with reagents. At the same time kooky with the regime and the outflow of youth.
    Good luck to the team of OJSC ISS.
    1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 9 2020 14: 16 New
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      Will not fly. In the best case, one K2 will be made by the end of the year. And if it does fly, then what to manage?
      1. Engineer April 9 2020 17: 13 New
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        According to my information, one K2 has already been commissioned and is standing in line for launch.
        1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 9 2020 23: 14 New
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          Unexpectedly, Roscosmos says something else, about the end of the year 20, the beginning of 21. Do you have any information about the readiness of the ground contour?
          1. Engineer April 9 2020 23: 31 New
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            I am talking only about the satellite “box” itself. About all the related not in the know.
            1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 10 2020 07: 25 New
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              Then, frankly, I don’t understand how to surrender the spacecraft, but the systems that it includes are not. After all, K2 is an apparatus that must implement a number of fundamentally new functions. For the sake of what, in fact, the current FTP has been asked. Half of the systems are not ready, and ISS hands over the device to start. How is that at all? If only to report that everything is done, and then finish the shamanism? With this approach, I doubt that by the age of 21 they will do something.
              1. Engineer April 10 2020 11: 56 New
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                What new systems are not ready for your information?
                Optical, for example, have been ready for quite some time.
                In general, almost any serial spacecraft, in addition to standard equipment, carries 15-20 experimental systems, blocks, devices for testing and control. "Experienced" at the time of launch. Therefore, by and large, availability is a configuration issue. Even standard systems (approved for acceptance on board for the entire series) can be optional in the sense that they do not affect the main function-positioning
                I don’t know in which configuration the launch of K2 is planned.
                1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 10 2020 15: 43 New
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                  Optical - is it mls?
                  To BRKPS big questions.
                  Yes, BINK itself, has the RKS already passed?
                  1. Engineer April 10 2020 16: 23 New
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                    Optical - is it mls?

                    MLNSS, yes
                    I don’t know the rest of your systems.
                    1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 10 2020 17: 30 New
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                      Hmm BINK forms a navigation frame. And these are not my systems. This is what the ISS was supposed to produce a long time ago. And at the same time create the entire ground infrastructure.
                      1. Engineer April 10 2020 19: 08 New
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                        BINK may be old may be new.
                        This is the first time I hear that ASCs are responsible for the ground structure. Maybe RKS?
                        There is a new building with a new on-board network, why not send it into space, even with partially the equipment of the previous generation. Here are the reasons for Roscosmos.
                        I don’t know about problems with ground infrastructure at all. Do not fly means do not fly. I have no relation to Roscosmos anymore and I don’t get a system image.
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  • iouris April 9 2020 11: 11 New
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    If we are not talking about problems, then what are we talking about?
  • polar fox April 9 2020 11: 38 New
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    normal article. well and clearly everything is stated ... only my smartphone with the GLONASS and ZhPS functions, GLONASS does not see ... No, well, since it "struck" (about 2 years ago) and ... that's all.
  • Zaurbek April 9 2020 12: 33 New
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    They wrote that we bought the element base from the United States ... in the 15th, the United States hindered supplies and, allegedly, there is some kind of supply, on which ours work. Then all the silence.
  • Mikhail Dzyuin April 9 2020 14: 14 New
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    It is a pity that the author is not aware of the real situation. And yes, the article is good))))
    1. Gust April 9 2020 20: 53 New
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      Michael, so enlighten us about the real state of affairs. Only with specifics is desirable.
      1. Mikhail Dzyuin April 9 2020 23: 10 New
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        The specifics are confidential. And if for the Internet, then contracts in 20 will not be fulfilled. A shift of at least 5 years. If this is the norm, then the author is well done.
  • Gust April 9 2020 21: 07 New
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    You confuse, 10 cm and 3 m are different modes of operation. And the matter is not only in military and civilian signals. In real time, no super GPS gives 4-5 cm, these are fairy tales. To achieve this accuracy, you must either stand at one point for a long time by the receiver (and not from a cell phone), while special, expensive software will calculate the exact position, or use differential correction. In the latter case, two receivers are required (also not from a cellular one), one with exact reference according to the first method or from the main points, but the second one can move - it calculates its position by GPS with an accuracy of 3 m (conditionally), then takes into account data about the current error (at a given time for a very limited area) calculated by the first receiver.
    Excavators, graders do just that. Take a closer look - they have one receiver plate on the technique, and the second is nearby on the tripod, with precise reference. If possible, then directly above the HS point on a plumb line.
    Who cares about the details of the current state, see https://www.glonass-iac.ru/GLONASS/technical_characteristics.php for example, everything is available there.