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The frigate Admiral Kasatonov reached the final stage of testing

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The frigate Admiral Kasatonov reached the final stage of testing

The first serial frigate of project 22350 Admiral fleet Kasatonov "is embarking on the final stage of state testing, which will take place in the Baltic Sea. This is reported by the press-service of the shipyard Severnaya Verf".


According to the company, almost all points of the test program have already been completed, all systems and mechanisms are operating normally. The ship will conduct final tests in the Baltic Sea, after which it will return to the Severnaya Verf Shipyard to conduct an audit and prepare for transfer to the Russian Navy. The press service explained that taking into account the state tests, the transfer of the frigate could take place in late May - early June.

It was previously reported that the transfer of the frigate to the Navy was supposed to take place before the end of 2019, then before the end of the first quarter of 2020.

On April 6, 2020, the Northern Fleet press service announced the completion of the next phase of testing the Admiral Kasatonov frigate in the Barents Sea and the beginning of the inter-naval transfer of the ship to the Baltic.

The frigate Admiral Kasatonov is the second ship of the 22350 project and the first serial after the lead frigate Admiral Gorshkov. Displacement of 5 thousand tons with a length of 135 m and a width of 16 m. The frigate is able to travel 4500 miles, while developing a speed of up to 29 knots. Autonomy of navigation is 30 days. The crew is from 170 people.

Main power plant: gas turbine engine with a total capacity of 65 thousand liters. pp., diesel generators with a total capacity of 4 thousand kW.

The frigate is armed with: 130-mm A-192 artillery mount, Poliment-Redoubt anti-aircraft missile system, launchers for 16 anti-ship missiles Onyx or Caliber, anti-submarine complex Package, anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27.
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  1. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter April 8 2020 13: 34 New
    +8
    Project 22350 is almost complete, and then the series will go easier. Although of course I want to quickly get the destroyer 22350M.
    МОСКВА, 9 мая. /ТАСС/. Россия планирует построить 12 модернизированных фрегатов проекта 22350М, каждый из которых будет нести на борту до 48 крылатых ракет "Калибр", "Оникс" и "Циркон".


    "Головной корабль в серии планируется сдать Военно-морскому флоту в 2027 году", - сообщил в четверг ТАСС источник в судостроительной отрасли.
    По его словам, "к концу 2019 года должен быть разработан технический проект на корабль водоизмещением 7 тыс. т, способный нести до 48 ударных ракет "Калибр", "Оникс" и "Циркон". "Всего намечено построить 12 таких фрегатов, 11 из которых будут сдаваться заказчику в рамках уже новой госпрограммы вооружения", - сказал собеседник агентства.
    Он добавил, что новые фрегаты также будут оснащены зенитным ракетным комплексом "Полимент-Редут" с боекомплектом до 100 ракет, противолодочным и торпедным вооружением.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6415468
    1. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov April 8 2020 13: 37 New
      +5
      Our frigates are very similar to destroyers. Correct me if I'm wrong.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. April 8 2020 13: 42 New
        +2
        Перефрегаты - недоэсминцы. Превосходят корабли класса "фрегат", но не дотягивают до эсминцев.
        1. Sergey Averchenkov
          Sergey Averchenkov April 8 2020 13: 51 New
          +2
          I assumed something similar when I wrote this message. Well - let's hope that they will build full-fledged destroyers. Although it is already not bad.
        2. knn54
          knn54 April 8 2020 14: 16 New
          0
          Personally, I do not catch up with the Anglo-Saxon classification of ships.
          BOD, patrol ships in fashion began to be classified as frigates.
          Если интересно,сравните водоизмещение,вооружение "Касатонова" с западными эсминцами,Думаю.что такой разницы,что бы назвать данный фрегат "недоэсминцем " не будет.
          1. DominickS
            DominickS April 9 2020 05: 02 New
            -1
            Стандартное водоизмещение "Горшков" - 4500 тонн. "Бёрка", к примеру - 7061 тонна. Довольно существенная разница. Надеюсь, наши хотя бы компенсируют это вооружением.
        3. Lamata
          Lamata April 8 2020 14: 31 New
          +1
          And right now, who will understand where the destroyer is and where what, the Dzhapovsky destroyers are aircraft carriers))) as you.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. April 8 2020 14: 38 New
            +2
            And now the classification of ships is generally incomprehensible. It used to be simple: a destroyer - a destroyer - a leader. Next - a light cruiser and so on to the battleship. Simple and clear. Offhand it could be said what approximately weapons each class of ship carries, its displacement and purpose.
            1. Lamata
              Lamata April 8 2020 14: 40 New
              0
              The leader, after all, was a destroyer, the Germans in Jutland, the leader in general, was KRL
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. April 8 2020 14: 43 New
                -1
                Так лидер и есть "лидер эскадренных миноносцев" По ТТХ выше обычного эсминца, но недотягивающий до легого крейсера.
                1. Lamata
                  Lamata April 8 2020 14: 44 New
                  -1
                  All TTX leader, from the destroyer, this is the ability to control and guidance.
        4. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 8 2020 14: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Refregates - Nedo-destroyers
          Squadron Frigates!
        5. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 8 2020 14: 36 New
          -1
          Is the engine already available for destroyers? Or, the body is blinded, and sucks? ??
        6. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 8 2020 15: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Перефрегаты - недоэсминцы. Превосходят корабли класса "фрегат", но не дотягивают до эсминцев.

          Do you also call the British Daring class destroyers the sub-destroyers?
          Displacement "HMS Daring" 7500 tons, a crew of 190 people.


          The world's most advanced British destroyer HMS Daring, built with stealth technology, completed its first trip.

          https://seaspirit.ru/flot/britanskij-esminec-hms-daring.html

          Compare now with what we want.
          "к концу 2019 года должен быть разработан технический проект на корабль водоизмещением 7 тыс. т, способный нести до 48 ударных ракет "Калибр", "Оникс" и "Циркон". "Всего намечено построить 12 таких фрегатов
    2. Connor MacLeod
      Connor MacLeod April 8 2020 13: 59 New
      -5
      Он добавил, что новые фрегаты также будут оснащены зенитным ракетным комплексом "Полимент-Редут" с боекомплектом до 100 ракет

      If you upgrade pr. 22350, then it is not necessary to increase the air defense system’s ammunition, but definitely put on it the marine version of the S-400. Redut's range is 150 km, what is it? It takes kilometers 250 - 300 minimum.
      1. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane April 8 2020 14: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Connor Macleod
        put on it a marine version of the S-400

        Do you know it? What is the name of it, where is it produced, tested?
        Quote: Connor Macleod
        Redut's range - 150 km

        belay laughing do not read Wikipedia at night
        1. Lamata
          Lamata April 8 2020 14: 45 New
          -1
          Our Vika is all))))
        2. Connor MacLeod
          Connor MacLeod April 8 2020 14: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          Do you know it? What is the name of it, where is it produced, tested?

          Since we are talking about the prospects for modernization of pr. 22350, then yes, in the future, maybe the S-400 version will appear ...

          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          do not read Wikipedia at night

          Well, enlighten - what is the range of action of Redoubt?
      2. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter April 8 2020 15: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: Connor MacLeod
        Он добавил, что новые фрегаты также будут оснащены зенитным ракетным комплексом "Полимент-Редут" с боекомплектом до 100 ракет

        If you upgrade pr. 22350, then it is not necessary to increase the air defense system’s ammunition, but definitely put on it the marine version of the S-400. Redut's range is 150 km, what is it? It takes kilometers 250 - 300 minimum.

        A rocket for Poliment-Redoubt is already being developed based on the technology of the S-400 complex’s missile just 400 km away.
        1. Connor MacLeod
          Connor MacLeod April 8 2020 15: 11 New
          0
          It is very good!
      3. bayard
        bayard April 8 2020 15: 16 New
        +3
        Are there enough radar capabilities?
        To ensure the use of S-400?
        Or will it be necessary to develop a new RLC, new launchers in the new UKKS for S-400 missiles?
        New BIOS?
        But this will not affect the displacement?
        And if it does, then will not the increase in displacement affect other characteristics? ...
        At a price?
        And how much?
        And in time?

        In the 22350M, the ammunition of the KR and air defense missiles was simply increased, and instead of diesels, a M70FR \ FRU gas turbine with a capacity of 10 - 000 l / s was used instead of diesel engines (instead of 14 l / s AD). which plus its speed on the gearbox with afterburner M000FRU will give on each shaft 5200 90 - 37 500 l \ s.
        This will solve the problem of the lack of maximum speed and ammunition (as well as range and autonomy).
        With everything else, FRIGATE 22350M (that’s how he qualifies) is all right. Changes in the new project are minimal and the industry will be able to begin their construction without unnecessary torment and buildup.

        And if you really want to have S-400 air defense systems on such ships, you will have to sculpt a completely new (at least RLK, UKSK, BIUS and partly line-up) ship. And this is a challenge for the future.
        Таковым мог бы стать эсминец на 4-х турбинах М90ФРУ , ВИ в 12 000 т. , БК в 80 КР и не менее 200 ЗУР - то есть примерно то , что предлагалось изначально в НЕЯДЕРНОЙ версии "Лидера" . Эдакий аналог(по компановке и размерам) китайскому 055 .
        And now the fleets need DMZ and OZ workhorses.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter April 8 2020 15: 22 New
          +3
          They say that the radar 22350 just can see at a distance of 400 km, so you don’t need to change anything, only a missile is needed. Unfortunately you can’t find the link now. This missile can be used from the UCC, where Caliber and Onyx are.
          The British destroyer with a displacement of 7500 tons is classified as a destroyer, and if you want, it classifies the 22350M with a displacement of 7000 tons as a frigate, although these ships are essentially the same class.
          1. bayard
            bayard April 8 2020 16: 13 New
            +4
            And compatibility?
            Let’s marry a rocket \ you S-400 and S-350 RLC ... but PU? It will be necessary to sculpt a new UKKS, and these are other dimensions ...
            No, really. Let it be built as it is - everything has been mastered by industry, tested, tested, and ships of this class are needed yesterday. So this - the upcoming series, let them build on the existing project. 12-18 of these ships are needed on all 3 fleets as soon as possible, and it is better to do freestyle art with increased Wishlist in the next series - in the next modification.
        2. Connor MacLeod
          Connor MacLeod April 8 2020 16: 57 New
          -3
          Quote: bayard
          And now the fleets need DMZ and OZ workhorses.

          With such an air defense system you won’t work much ...

          Each of these 12-18 frigates can be removed with one Harpoon. With a Harpoon range of 250 km, the enemy’s aircraft will remain far beyond the reach of Redoubt.

          So you need a marine S-400 yesterday ...
          1. bayard
            bayard April 8 2020 17: 24 New
            +1
            smile That
            Quote: Connor Macleod
            Each of these 12-18 frigates can be removed with one Harpoon.

            этому самому "Гарпуну" нужно сперва преодолеть корабельную РЭБ , ПВО дальней(150 км.) , средней (60 - 70 км.) и ближней (2 - 3 км.) зон .
            So hardly one.
            But let's say one overcame.
            And?
            One is definitely not enough - the caliber is not the same. Warhead is small.
            And now the enemy is adopting LRASM weapons. So he has a range of up to 930 km. smile , here and the S-500 will not be enough.
            According to the carrier. smile
            In every good deed (and especially in ships), BALANCE IS NEEDED. And for a frigate (!) SUCH SAM - quite enough.
            С-400 нужен крейсеру ... которые сейчас почему-то обзывают "эсминцами" . Хотя мины уже давно не являются основным вооружением подобных кораблей ... Чужебесие ...

            By the way, not one of the currently operating ships of the Russian Federation (cruiser) can hit a target at such (250-280 km.) Distance.
            Do you want the frigate (!) To surpass the cruiser?
            Зато за счёт компактности , боекомплект данного ЗРК может быть гораздо большим , чем боекомплект "Форта" в таком же объёме . hi
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 8 2020 17: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: bayard
              этому самому "Гарпуну" нужно сперва преодолеть корабельную РЭБ , ПВО дальней(150 км.) , средней (60 - 70 км.) и ближней (2 - 3 км.) зон .

              На высотах полёта "Гарпуна" зона работы корабельной ПВО начинается в 25-35 км от корабля - после выхода ПКР из-за радиогоризонта, её обнаружения, классификации и захвата цели корабельной системой ПВО.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 8 2020 19: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexey RA
                На высотах полёта "Гарпуна" зона работы корабельной ПВО начинается в 25-35 км от корабля

                Боюсь , что для "Гарпуна" даже 15 - 17 км. , всё зависит от высоты полёта . А про три рубежа ПВО , это я для образности , а то товарищ считает , что любой корабль неполноценен , если не способен поразить цель на дистанции 250 км.
                I myself am in the past an air defense officer, so I know about the boundaries of detecting low-altitude targets. hi
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 8 2020 19: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bayard
                  Боюсь , что для "Гарпуна" даже 15 - 17 км. , всё зависит от высоты полёта .

                  And the height of the antenna post above sea level. smile
                  Quote: bayard
                  I myself am in the past an air defense officer, so I know about the boundaries of detecting low-altitude targets.

                  Well, I pockets with pockets from the military department of the St. Petersburg Polytechnic, which was prepared for the low-altitude S-125. hi
                  1. bayard
                    bayard April 8 2020 20: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    And the height of the antenna post above sea level

                    Exactly !
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Well, I’m a spinjack with pockets from the military department of the St. Petersburg Polytechnic University, which was trained for the low-altitude S-125.

                    VVKURE-PVO Vilnius. hi
                    Well, the service in the Caucasus ... operational work (combat control). soldier
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 8 2020 17: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Connor Macleod
            With a Harpoon range of 250 km, the enemy’s aircraft will remain far beyond the reach of Redoubt.

            So you need a marine S-400 yesterday ...

            Without a DRLO and ARLGSN on a missile system, you can have at least 1000 km of reach from an air defense system, and the enemy’s aircraft will still remain far beyond the reach of an air defense system.
            Ибо радиогоризонт + подход самолётов к зоне пуска ПКР на ПМВ ("под" сектором обзора РЛС по высоте).
            And here we are smoothly approaching the beloved topic of aircraft carriers ... smile
        3. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl April 10 2020 14: 33 New
          +1
          Greetings Vitaliy! hi
          Quote: bayard
          With everything else, FRIGATE 22350M (that’s how he qualifies) is all right. Changes in the new project are minimal and the industry will be able to begin their construction without unnecessary torment and buildup.

          Looks optimistic, BUT ?!
          If the most developed project 22350 (with VI 5400) still manages to build for 9-10 years and not at least 4-5 ?! So how much will go on the 22350-M ?! 14-15 for each ?!
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Project 22350 is almost complete, and then the series will go easier. Although of course I want to quickly get the destroyer 22350M.
          I see optimism on the forum belay A real shift, with a decrease in the speed of construction of frigates (even mastered)
          don't see yet recourse
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          МОСКВА, 9 мая. /ТАСС/. Россия планирует построить 12 модернизированных фрегатов проекта 22350М, каждый из которых будет нести на борту до 48 крылатых ракет "Калибр", "Оникс" и "Циркон".

          "Головной корабль в серии планируется сдать Военно-морскому флоту в 2027 году", - a source in the shipbuilding industry said on Thursday to TASS.
          lol belay
          Quote: bayard
          And now the fleets need DMZ and OZ workhorses.
          согласен ! Ещё как нужны. Но скорость их строительства ... Как бы по мягче сказать, - настораживает (!). А тут ещё и в Керчи, на "Заливе", хотят заложить СРАЗУ ДВА новых (not worked out project (!) ..) UDC ?! ... What do you think, and how many will they build (?!) ... But it would seem ... Or maybe for the time being lay ONE (!!!) ... And in second place, (instead of the second untapped giant in VI 25000) , заложить для ЧФ фрегат 22350.1 (как "Чичагов" на 24 УВП УКСК) ?! Ведь корабль более отработанного проекта. Е если скорость его постройки будет около 5-ти лет (а не 9-11) !!! для ЧФ это будет полезней ?!
          1. bayard
            bayard April 10 2020 16: 31 New
            0
            Greetings Vladimir! hi
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            Looks optimistic, BUT ?!
            If the most developed project 22350 (with VI 5400) still manages to build for 9-10 years and not at least 4-5 ?! So how much will go on the 22350-M ?! 14-15 for each ?!

            Everything will show this summer this year - they must install the first fully domestic power plant on frigate 22350. And lower it to the water. If everything goes smoothly and sea trials confirm this, then we can say that the GEM for 22350 was born and the pace of construction of frigates from laying, in the new conditions, will be 5 years, and after the industry is swinging, up to 4 years.
            Все проблемы со сроками были не из-за рукозадости судостроителей , а из-за неготовности ЗРК "Полимент-Редут" , который долго ждали . Затем с 2014 г. - отсутствие ГЭУ . Сейчас и ЗРК готов , испытан и принят , и ГЭУ вроде тоже - пошла ... но подтвердят это только ходовые испытания .
            The same thing with the 22350M - there is nothing fundamentally new there - all the on-board equipment, avionics from the already mastered 22350. Only new GEMs (M-70FR \ FRU turbine and gearbox), and an enlarged BC KR and missiles ... Perhaps they will expand the hangar for 2 helicopters (which I would really like).
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            Quote: bayard
            And now the fleets need DMZ and OZ workhorses.
            согласен ! Ещё как нужны. Но скорость их строительства ... Как бы по мягче сказать, - настораживает (!). А тут ещё и в Керчи, на "Заливе", хотят заложить СРАЗУ ДВА новых (не отработанного проекта (!) ..) УДК ?! ... Как думаете, а их сколько будут строить (?!)... А казалось бы ... А может пока заложить ОДИН (!!!)

            Judging by the announced delivery schedules (namely, delivery, not bookmarks) of new UDCs, although they will be laid at the same time, they will be built as a head with a separation from the sistership at least a year. Apparently, specialized crews of shipbuilders will switch from one ship to another as work progresses, and not drive both hulls simultaneously. Perhaps, they don’t have enough hands. And the experience, the analysis of errors, in the second one will not be repeated, if you work with the lag about a year (as stipulated by the delivery schedule.
            It’s better to order, and perhaps to lay it all at once both (but work with the lag, as I described above). Then the contractors receive orders for many years in advance - metal, aggregates, equipment, etc. accessories, and make their plans with confidence in the future. And then the prices for their products will then be lower - yet it’s not a single instance to drive, whatever it is, but a series ...
            The areas and capacities in Kerch allow you to build several large vessels / ships at the same time.
            Если за основу проекта взят тот самый "Мистраль" , который кормовыми секциями уже строился , хоть и на другом ССЗ(что похоже на правду хотя бы исходя их ВИ заявленных УДК - 25 000 - 26 000 т.) , то это будет проще , хотя что за ГЭУ на нём применят пока тайна , мраком покрытая ...
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            . А на втором месте, (вместо второго не отработанного гиганта в ВИ 25000) , заложить для ЧФ фрегат 22350.1 (как "Чичагов" на 24 УВП УКСК) ?! Ведь корабль более отработанного проекта. Е если скорость его постройки будет около 5-ти лет (а не 9-11) !!! для ЧФ это будет полезней ?!

            If both UDCs are laid at once and nothing prevents it (the same virus is crowned), then the solution will still be correct - such ships are needed, and in 4 pieces. at a minimum, and stretching their construction is not worth it. In addition, the Kerch plant should be launched as soon as possible at full capacity, and without such large orders (large orders of large ships) this will not work.
            As for the construction of 22350+ (or 22350.1) in Kerch, in principle this is possible, and even at the same time, because from 4 to 6 large vessels such as a tanker, dry cargo ship, lighter carrier could be built at the same time. But everything should go in order and capacity the plant should still be gradually gaining, in stages and not on different types of ships.
            In addition, the 2 GCCs in the Baltic - Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg, are, in principle, quite enough to drive 22350+ and 22350M even at the same time, especially since they have already mastered this particular type, and only their presence limits their capabilities \ the lack of power plants in the required quantities to ensure the pace at which they are capable. If the turbines and gearboxes do not fail, then the available capacities for their delivery to these two plants will hardly be enough.
            And not the fact that it’s enough for the Kerch Shipyard as well.
            It’s better to separate the specializations — corvettes and frigates in the Baltic, corvettes at the Amur plant (there are another 10 units waiting for order 20380), in Kerch - UDC, of ​​which 2 units. the fleets will not be enough. A minimum of 4 is necessary, and optimally - 6 pcs. Moreover, their price will be approximately like one frigate 22350 (without M).
            It’s not for me to explain to you how any production can run a fever upon receipt of a large but heterogeneous order after a downtime. And so, shipbuilders will get their hands on the first UDC, the next ones will go noticeably more fun - when clear cooperation is established and the process is debugged to automatism, everything turns out fun, fast and efficiently.
            In addition, if the plans of the Ministry of Defense for the construction of aircraft carriers are justified, then they will have to be built in Kerch. In the Big Stone, you can’t even count on it; they won’t be able to disregard the existing orders from Rosneft and Novatek for 15 years. Branch over - asks for the construction of another - two of the same super-shipyard. And having planted a hand on the UDC, the plant (Kerch) will be able to take up aircraft carriers by the middle of the decade.
            And orders, like frigates, will only hinder these plans.
            Kerch should build only the largest ships - it is capable of this with its infrastructure.
            I think so .
            hi drinks
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl April 10 2020 23: 13 New
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              Quote: bayard
              Judging by the announced delivery schedules (namely, delivery, not bookmarks) of new UDCs, although they will be laid at the same time, they will be built as a head with a separation from the sistership at least a year
              recourse sometimes your optimism even bribes me, but winked I don’t feel like Pushkin’s, "я сам обманываться рад..." what
              Quote: bayard
              If both UDCs are laid down at once and nothing prevents it (the same virus is crowned), then the solution will still be correct
              belay No.
              My friend, even the difference is 3-3,5 years between / head / "Горшковым" и / first serial / "Касатоновым", водоизмещение которых не 25000 but in total 5400 T., did not help to avoid (so-called small primary flaws) ... Do you propose to lay down two monsters at once ?! request what Really do not understand why ?!
              Quote: bayard
              And orders, like frigates, will only hinder these plans.
              Отчего же ?! Если через 5 лет фр. 22350.1 будет спущен на воду, можно будет заложить второй УДК. Как раз с учётом "project errors", выявленных в ходе строительства первого !! И одно другому, ну никак не помешает !
              And as for -
              Quote: bayard
              In the Big Stone, you can’t even count on it; they won’t be able to disregard the existing orders from Rosneft and Novatek for 15 years.
              winked so this is bad. There, the pair would not have just prevented - laying the three 22350.1 for 2-3 years. yes And then looks like a private super shipyard on the money of citizens (budgetary) is played and exhaust towards the Navy - "0" . ?! negative it is not right No.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 11 2020 03: 50 New
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                Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                Друг мой, даже разница в 3-3,5 года между /головным/ "Горшковым" и /первым серийным/ "Касатоновым", водоизмещение которых не 25000 а всего 5400 т., не помогла избежать (так называемых, маленьких первичных недочётов) ... А вы предлагаете сразу два монстра заложить ?! Реально не понимаю зачем ?!

                Меня тоже несколько удивила закладка(планируемая) сразу двух УДК , но дело в том , что подобные корабли для нашего судостроения уже не новинка - возня с "Мистралями" , когда строились кормовые секции на Балтике и представители ОСК контролировали их строительство во Франции , даром не прошло . Документация на них была получена и в планах было строительство ещё двух таких кораблей уже целиком на наших верфях . Сразу после сдачи первых двух французами .
                Prepared for this.
                Да и проект скорей всего , просто переработанный "Мистраль" , на это и водоизмещение намекает .
                Apparently they decided not to stretch the pleasure and lay down two hulls at once, because ships are needed. The creation of expeditionary forces of the fleet has been announced, and for this just such expeditionary ships are needed.
                Я не оправдываю и даже не защищаю такое решение , я анализирую почему такие решения приняты . Видимо с одной стороны припекло(потребностью) , а с другой стороны , есть некая уверенность в успехе . Если "Мистрали" должны были получить в 2015 г. , то трктий и четвёртый УДК могли заложить на наших верфях уже в 2016 г. , а значит были к этому уже тогда готовы . Так что закладка 2-х корпусов в 2020 г. не выглядит слишком ... необдуманной . Скорей вызывает вопрос , почему с таким опозданием это сделано ... И ведь такие вопросы(почему не закладывают УДК) звучали регулярно все эти годы ... Скорей всего собирались использовать сначала французские движки(на лицензионных) , а потом искали им и ещё чему-то замену от своих производителей .
                Но получив такой заказ , "Залив" вряд-ли будет способен потянуть ещё какие-либо заказы одновременно , ему бы этот переварить . Разрываться между постройкой УДК и фрегатами ... да с таким кадровым голодом ... не-по-тя-нут . Там крупнее МРК в новейшее время ещё ничего не строили .
                And let frigates be built by Peter and Kerch, they have a technical process debugged there, cooperation. They and the flag in their hands.
                In the Far East, there is nowhere and no one to build the first ranks of.
                The Amur plant barely develops 20380 corvettes and is awaiting an order for another 10 such corvettes. God grant that he can handle it.
                Большой Камень - верфь ещё недостроена и пока не способна даже на "отвёрточную сборку" танкеров и сухогрузов . Ждать газовозы от них похоже отчаялись и Новатэк заказал их в Корее . С кадрами там тяжело , местные на работу не идут - платят мало , жильё для сотрудников только строится ... вербуют по всей России , но местные говорят , что вряд-ли многие задержаться . Ехать на край земли в неустроенный быт и социальную среду , и при этом на весьма скромную зарплату ... При Союзе на такие стройки длинным рублём заманивали молодёжь , а сейчас ... вся длинная часть рубля эффективному мэнэджмэнту достаётся . Поэтому менеджмент эффективен , а строительство - нет .

                repeat Well, how does it sound like optimism from an enthusiastic high school girl? smile
                Не будет "Звезда на Камне" строить военные корабли . Лет 10 - 15 точно . Пока не достроится , коллектив не сложится , строить корабли не научатся . Сами . С заказами своими разгребутся ... Им ведь ещё ТРИ атомных суперледокола закладывать ... Даже не знаю , как они с таким совладают . Откуда столько народа квалифицированного наберут ...
                If we build frigates and destroyers in the Far East, then most likely on the Amur River, where they were built before. But only after the completion of a series of corvettes. And that means not soon.
                So it’s only necessary to build the first ranks in the Baltic ... maybe even Severodvinsk will someday connect to this.

                Or another option is to regain Zaporizhzhya, Nikolaev and Odessa regions, revive the Nikolaev shipyards and build on them.
                But this is hard to believe.
                Till .
                ... coronovirus ... bully repeat
      4. huntsman650
        huntsman650 April 8 2020 17: 32 New
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        It is not necessary, unnecessarily, manned SLS are at low altitude. Detection is small. You can still place s-400 on the coast and work under their cover.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 8 2020 16: 27 New
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      Quote: Sky Strike fighter
      Project 22350 almost mastered

      Not yet. It will be mastered when the frigate with a fully domestic power plant (and not joint production) passes the state.
  2. Terenin
    Terenin April 8 2020 14: 08 New
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    Корабль проведет заключительные тесты в акватории Балтийского моря, после чего вернется на ССЗ "Северная верфь" для проведения ревизии и подготовки к передаче в состав ВМФ РФ.

    По моему, раньше это называлось - "приемочные испытания", когда после определения степени потенциальных рисков и порога их допустимости решается вопрос о целесообразности постановки этой продукции на производство и (или) использования по назначению.
  3. Incompetent
    Incompetent April 8 2020 14: 17 New
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    Nuuu was born the whole 2nd ship! Fear the adversaries!
    1. Lamata
      Lamata April 8 2020 14: 46 New
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      We give birth is difficult. But anyway .
      1. Lamata
        Lamata April 8 2020 15: 08 New
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        Minusator, arguments to the studio))) pliz
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl April 10 2020 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Incompetent
      Nuuu was born the whole 2nd ship! Fear the adversaries!
      good !!! - broke !!! hi laughing +
  4. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey April 8 2020 21: 47 New
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    7 feet under the keel, the rest 100 times voiced even when the slipway was